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  Speaker 2: are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Lots
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  Speaker 2: to get into, of course, you know me. Lots of
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  Speaker 2: ball on the brain. We'll be talking football extensively tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Lots to get into, but we start with hoops as
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  Speaker 2: the Knicks. The Knicks got Game five on Thursday night.
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  Speaker 2: They force a Game six, which listen. If you're a
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  Speaker 2: Pacers fan, you don't love But if you are a
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  Speaker 2: basketball fan, you gotta love this because we have sports
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  Speaker 2: to watch this weekend. If you look at the playoffs
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  Speaker 2: here in the NHL and the NBA, we wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: anything going on this weekend. If the Pacers won Game
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  Speaker 2: five the NHL Conference Finals, they're over. They're done with
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  Speaker 2: Florida Panthers, moving on. Edmonton Oilers. They finished dismantling their
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  Speaker 2: foe over there, the Dallas Stars, So Edmonton moving on.
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  Speaker 2: So that's wrapped up the other side of the NBA
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  Speaker 2: playoffs in the Western Conference, OKAC already polished off the
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  Speaker 2: t Wolves and a gentleman's sweep, So if the Pacers
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  Speaker 2: won Game five, we'd have a whole lot of nothing
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  Speaker 2: going on in terms of the playoffs this weekend. So
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  Speaker 2: we've got Knicks Pacers Game six on Saturday. The story
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  Speaker 2: of Game five, few couple of bullet points here. First
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  Speaker 2: one is the Knicks. They played great defense. They held
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  Speaker 2: the Pacers to only ninety four points on forty percent shooting.
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  Speaker 2: And the way the Pacers have scored in this series
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  Speaker 2: throughout the pace that they play at just fast tempo
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  Speaker 2: they're hard to defend, so give the Knicks credit. They
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  Speaker 2: played some really solid defense on Thursday night. Karl Anthony Towns,
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  Speaker 2: it always makes me laugh when you'll hear these comments
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  Speaker 2: after the game, but Kat was right. Karl Anthony Towns said, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we just came out with energy and we're the first
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  Speaker 2: ones to throw a punch. That's exactly what happened. He's
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  Speaker 2: right about that. I just don't understand these teams. And
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  Speaker 2: you'll hear some sound here pretty soon the game. They're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we just we didn't play as hard as they did.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just how is that a thing? How? How
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  Speaker 2: is that ever a thing? It's just the playoffs, you know.
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  Speaker 2: They just competed harder than us. They just wanted it
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  Speaker 2: more than us. I don't know how any athlete can
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  Speaker 2: say that at the end of a game, but you'll
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  Speaker 2: hear a pacer say that in a few minutes. First off,
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  Speaker 2: let me bang on Tyrese Haliburton just for a little
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  Speaker 2: bit over here. So give the Knicks credit. First off,
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  Speaker 2: heavy focus on Tyrese pressured him all night, made life miserable.
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  Speaker 2: But on the heels of justin epic Game four performance,
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  Speaker 2: he was unbelievable. Tyrese Haliburton in Game four, not Thursday night,
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  Speaker 2: not the game tonight, but the game before tonight. It's
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  Speaker 2: Game four. Thirty two points, fifteen assists, twelve rebounds, five
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  Speaker 2: made three pointers, zero turnovers. Was it the first ever
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  Speaker 2: playoff performance? A thirty point triple double with zero turnovers?
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  Speaker 2: He's the first guy to do it in NBA playoff history.
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  Speaker 2: How does he follow it up? What does he do
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  Speaker 2: for an encore on Thursday Night? Well, that would be
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  Speaker 2: eight points on two of seven shooting, with six assists
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  Speaker 2: and two rebounds. Didn't make a three all night long.
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  Speaker 2: This is why a lot of people think and say
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  Speaker 2: that Tyrese Haliburton is overrated. Now I don't subscribe to that,
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  Speaker 2: but I can understand why someone else would and why
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  Speaker 2: they think and say those things. What you saw in
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  Speaker 2: Game four was the complete opposite of what you saw
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  Speaker 2: in Game five, and the lack of consistency is what's
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  Speaker 2: driving the overrated bus in terms of people saying those
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  Speaker 2: things against Tyrese Halliburton. You've got to be productive. If
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  Speaker 2: you're a star, you've got to find a way to
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  Speaker 2: be productive and impact each game, and he just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: it's he's a little bit like the Boston Celtics as
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  Speaker 2: a whole, because listen, from a sports gambling standpoint, the
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  Speaker 2: Celtics and Tyreese Halliburton can be difficult to gamble on
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  Speaker 2: because they're both talented enough to make you look like
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  Speaker 2: an idiot if you fade them. But they are both
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  Speaker 2: inconsistent enough where they can make you look like a
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  Speaker 2: dufus if you back them. And so it's a mixed
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  Speaker 2: bag when it comes to those teams, the Celtics collectively
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  Speaker 2: and Tyreese Halliburton, because they're just so talented. On a
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  Speaker 2: certain night you could just marvel at them, like Wow,
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  Speaker 2: look at this show, and then the next performance you're like,
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  Speaker 2: what is happening right now? And Thursday night was one
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  Speaker 2: of those what is happening right now performances from Tyreese Halliburton.
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  Speaker 2: To compare Game four to Game five, So tonight he
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  Speaker 2: had twenty four less points, points, nine fewer assists, ten
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  Speaker 2: fewer rebounds. The less fewer thing always confuses me, So
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to have some grace with me. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know which one to use, but less all across
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  Speaker 2: the board. Let's less less, fewer fewer viewer. Whichever is
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  Speaker 2: the right one. You can't have you can't be minus
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  Speaker 2: twenty four in points, minus nine in assists, minus ten
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  Speaker 2: in rebounds. Intonight's game compared to your game four numbers.
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  Speaker 2: It's night and day. And that's the one thing I'll
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  Speaker 2: give Jason Tatum a lot of credit. Think of the
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  Speaker 2: Boston Celtics superstar that was the series right before, Like
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  Speaker 2: the Knicks are playing the Pacers right now in the
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  Speaker 2: Eastern Conference Finals, in the season prior they were facing
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  Speaker 2: the Celtics in the second round, and before Tatum went
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  Speaker 2: down with the achilles injury, which is brutal, before he
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  Speaker 2: went down, Jason Tatum, Yeah, he might have a quieter evening,
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  Speaker 2: he might have a lesser game, but his stat line
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  Speaker 2: isn't gonna be eight points, six assists, two rebounds. It's
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna be much more productive than that. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the difference between a player on Tatum's level. We're talking
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  Speaker 2: about healthy Tatum, not currently injured Tatum, not rehabbing Tatum,
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  Speaker 2: right healthy Tatum. That's a big difference between healthy Tatum
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  Speaker 2: and Tyrese Haliburton. Because Tatum, he's not going to have
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  Speaker 2: a playoff stat line of eight six and two. He's
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  Speaker 2: certainly not gonna have eight six and two on the
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  Speaker 2: heels of thirty two, fifteen, and twelve. Like, he just
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  Speaker 2: doesn't do it. He puts up much more consistent numbers
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  Speaker 2: than Tyrese Haliburton. And that's the other thing too, Even
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  Speaker 2: if you gave Haliburton the benefit of the doubt on
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  Speaker 2: Thursday night and said accurate things like, man, the Knicks
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  Speaker 2: really focused on to him, he just went off in
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  Speaker 2: Game four. They paid attention to him. They pressured him
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  Speaker 2: all night, they sent different bodies at him. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they played with force. All of the really think they
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  Speaker 2: do against Jason Tatum. Tatum puts up some monster stat lines,
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  Speaker 2: and they do all of those same things, and Tatum
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  Speaker 2: yet will still put up more numbers than eight six
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  Speaker 2: and two. So there's no benefit of the doubt that
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  Speaker 2: Haliburton deserves for a Game five dud. And that's why
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  Speaker 2: some people call him overrated. And I know it's it's
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  Speaker 2: a cool slogan now like Puma came out with his
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  Speaker 2: logo and everybody's wearing the T shirts over there that
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  Speaker 2: cheer for the Indiana Pacers. But Game five is an
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  Speaker 2: example and It fuels all of those criticisms of Tyrese Haliburton.
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  Speaker 2: You can't just disappear in a close out type situation,
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  Speaker 2: and he did. You gotta call it like it is,
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  Speaker 2: and he just he disappeared something else that was wild.
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  Speaker 2: It was a little bit of deja vu on Thursday
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  Speaker 2: with a completely different outcome. So first the deja vu part,
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  Speaker 2: the Knicks led Game one right, first game of the
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  Speaker 2: series against the Pacers. They led Game one by fourteen
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  Speaker 2: points with two minutes and forty five seconds remaining. That
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  Speaker 2: was the same exact situation Thursday night in Game five,
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  Speaker 2: the same thing. You literally, the Knicks led by fourteen
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  Speaker 2: points with two forty five remaining. Now the major difference.
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  Speaker 2: The Knicks won tonight by seventeen points. Somehow, the Knicks
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  Speaker 2: lost Game one outright. When you have a fourteen point
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  Speaker 2: lead with two minutes and forty five seconds remaining, that
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  Speaker 2: should be a w every single freaking time. It was
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  Speaker 2: an easy win on Thursday night in Game five. Somehow,
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  Speaker 2: some way, it was a loss in Game one, which
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  Speaker 2: is astounding, and that's still a loss that the Knicks
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  Speaker 2: are chasing in this series. That's why they're still going
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  Speaker 2: to be facing elimination in game six. Is that they
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  Speaker 2: kicked away game one. And look, I understand, you gotta
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  Speaker 2: give the Pacers some credit where you had Nie Smith
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  Speaker 2: just go nuclear, just bombing three after three after three,
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  Speaker 2: he caught fire. But you still can't. It's gotta be
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  Speaker 2: a w every single time. I don't care if Nie
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  Speaker 2: Smith catches fire, whoever catches fire. You can't miss free throws.
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  Speaker 2: Can't you know, have a silly turnover or a mental
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  Speaker 2: lapse here or that you can't do any of those
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  Speaker 2: things that open the door so ever so slightly for
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  Speaker 2: the Pacers, And they kicked it through that cannot It
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  Speaker 2: still blows my mind that the Knicks somehow lost Game one.
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  Speaker 2: It was the same scenario on Thursday. I'm watching it
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, holy cow, they're winning by fourteen points
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  Speaker 2: with two forty five remaining. It's like burned into my
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  Speaker 2: brain now. It's almost like the Patriots beating the Falcons
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  Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, where twenty eight to three is
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  Speaker 2: just burned in your forehead forever. Now, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Knicks leading by fourteen points with under three minutes to go.
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  Speaker 2: Somehow that was a loss in Game one. Somehow they
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  Speaker 2: won Game five by seventeen points. How can that be?
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  Speaker 2: How can you win one game by seventeen and lose
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  Speaker 2: the other game out right? I don't know. Somehow we're here.
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  Speaker 2: That blows my mind. The other thing that blows my mind.
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  Speaker 2: This is why I was alluding to earlier. Pascal Siakam,
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  Speaker 2: who's had a really strong series and has made his
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  Speaker 2: presence known throughout, had a monster game earlier on. We
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  Speaker 2: scored almost forty points right around there in Game two.
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  Speaker 2: Everything runs together now, but now after Game five, Pacers
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  Speaker 2: lost the game. They never led throughout the entire night.
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  Speaker 2: This is what Pascal Siakam had to say in the
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  Speaker 2: postgame press conference. They played harder than us.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think they played harder than us.
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  Speaker 2: You know, on news balls, like rebounds, like all of that.
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  Speaker 4: We gotta be able to win that battle.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with them, but it blows my mind that
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  Speaker 2: a player can say that at the end of a game.
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  Speaker 2: How can that be? Listen, I love basketball. I love
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  Speaker 2: the NBA. I understand it's not everybody's cup of tea.
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  Speaker 2: That's fine. I love it. I always have, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to turn it into like an NBA versus
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  Speaker 2: NHL thing. A lot of people love to do that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really not that guy. You can love both. I
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  Speaker 2: love the NBA playoffs. I dabble with the NHL playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: but I can recognize how great the NHL playoffs are.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to pick one and just talk trash
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  Speaker 2: about the other. You can enjoy both. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why people act as if you can't just enjoy both,
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  Speaker 2: but whatever. So I'm not the one that like pits
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  Speaker 2: one against the other. But I will say this, even
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  Speaker 2: though I'm not that guy to bang that drum, this
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  Speaker 2: is not an NHL thing. Have you ever heard an
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  Speaker 2: NHL player after a playoff game say, yeah, they just
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  Speaker 2: kind of wanted it more than us. Yeah, I just
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  Speaker 2: you know, the loose pucks, the fifty to fifty situations,
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  Speaker 2: they just they got everything. They just out hustled us.
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  Speaker 2: We just we didn't bring the energy they I've never
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  Speaker 2: heard that. But the NBA, as much as I love it,
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  Speaker 2: you will have games this happened. Okay, see just one
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  Speaker 2: in a Gentleman's sweep over Minnesota. It crushed them throughout,
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  Speaker 2: but they lost Game three by what forty two points
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  Speaker 2: and SGA at the end of the game he was
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  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, you know, we just didn't bring it
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  Speaker 2: from an energy and a focused standpoint. Just yeah, didn't
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  Speaker 2: have that either of those things. And I'm sitting there like,
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  Speaker 2: how how.
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  Speaker 3: Is that that.
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  Speaker 2: I know they're a young team, they're immature at times.
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  Speaker 2: You have a two zero lead, you can explain it,
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  Speaker 2: but it still baffles me. Where yeah, you could even
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  Speaker 2: explain it with the Pacers to a degree. Where the
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  Speaker 2: Pacers are the ones with a three to one lead,
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  Speaker 2: maybe they feel like, all right, we don't have the
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  Speaker 2: same sense of urgency. We've got game picks at home
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  Speaker 2: in our back pocket, the Knicks. This is it do
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  Speaker 2: or die. So yeah, you can explain it to a degree.
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  Speaker 2: But just like Siakam said right there, they played harder
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  Speaker 2: than us. How can anyone outplay how can anyone just
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  Speaker 2: out effort you? It blows my mind. I never will
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  Speaker 2: understand that, Like, yeah, we just didn't have the energy tonight.
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  Speaker 2: We just you know, they they outworked us all night long.
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  Speaker 2: But but you will hear that. Man, It's crazy to me.
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  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what. The Pacers have a secret
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  Speaker 2: weapon for game six that they did not have for
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  Speaker 2: game five. You know who that is? That is John Halliburton.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Tyrese Haliburton's dad was not in the garden.
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  Speaker 2: He was not in the building for game five. Tyrese Haliburton,
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  Speaker 2: DoD performance. You go back to game four, John Halliburton
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  Speaker 2: in the building, huh, in the building over there at
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  Speaker 2: gamebridge Field House, watching his son dismantle the Knicks. So
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  Speaker 2: Papa Halle will be there for game six in Indy.
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  Speaker 2: That is the good luck charm, that is the kryptonite
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  Speaker 2: for the Knicks right there. They have to compete against
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  Speaker 2: the Pacers and John Halliburton. It does give me an
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  Speaker 2: excuse to play maybe my favorite audio of all time.
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  Speaker 2: This goes back to like John Halliburton, he couldn't attend
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  Speaker 2: any Pacer games at home since the Bucks series because
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  Speaker 2: he went out on the floor and he was talking
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  Speaker 2: smack to Jannis. This is what he said afterwards. This
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  Speaker 2: is like a follow up interview with John Halliburton in
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  Speaker 2: his own words, what was going on as he stood
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  Speaker 2: in front of Jannis saying things seem to be talking
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  Speaker 2: trash is what he said to TMJ four.
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  Speaker 3: It might have seemed like I was looking at him,
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  Speaker 3: but I really will I were looking through him.
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  Speaker 2: That is my favorite just excuse slash description of all time.
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  Speaker 2: I was looking through them. No, I wasn't talking trash
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  Speaker 2: to them. I was just looking through the guy. I
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  Speaker 2: still I love that he said that with a straight face.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing. I want that excuse to work for me sometime.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if I get caught looking at an Instagram
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  Speaker 2: booty model, I could just say, no, no, I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: looking at her. I was looking through her booty, is
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  Speaker 2: what I was doing. That's all I was doing. Can
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  Speaker 2: you imagine if that excuse actually flew. That was amazing
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  Speaker 2: piece of audio. But anyway, John Helliburton, not at Game five,
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  Speaker 2: We'll be at Game six. We'll see how it shakes out.
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  Speaker 2: We have sports to watch this weekend. Huh. That's good,
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  Speaker 2: very nice. We got a lot to do. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: phones are always open. Love being interactive with you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever I fill in for Big Ben, I will be
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  Speaker 2: doing a Big Ben impression coming up next. You can
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  Speaker 2: look forward to that. It's either an impression or a
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  Speaker 2: blatant ripoff. I'm not sure which it's gonna be, but
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  Speaker 2: we'll see how it lands. You know, it's sports radio.
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  Speaker 2: We just roll with it. And you guys determine what
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  Speaker 2: it ends up being. You know, coming up next. Something
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  Speaker 2: pretty crazy has happened in the NFL in each of
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  Speaker 2: the past ten seasons, but will it happen again this year.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great stat and I'm gonna blab about it
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  Speaker 2: for at least fifteen minutes straight unless someone calls in.
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  Speaker 2: That's basically what's gonna happen. I'm probably no in for
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  Speaker 2: Big Ben malor keep it locked right here on Fox
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  Speaker 2: Sports Radio. Oh what is going on? I hope you're
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  Speaker 2: enjoying your early morning hours over here. We are broadcasting
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  Speaker 2: live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Here more than
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  Speaker 2: welcome to chime in eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna blab for a few minutes. I'll get to
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  Speaker 2: the calls here. I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna blab
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  Speaker 2: for more than a few minutes, but then I'll get
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  Speaker 2: the calls. I've got an NFL topic in front of me.
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  Speaker 2: I can't help myself, Okay, So seth Wickersham. I hear
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  Speaker 2: some people say Wickersham. I don't know if it's Wickersham
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  Speaker 2: or Wickersham. It looks like sham to me. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: go with Sham whatever. His name is, Seth. He has
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  Speaker 2: a new book coming out in September. It's about quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 2: but some excerpts of the book have been released. They
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  Speaker 2: were released a couple of weeks ago, and one of
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  Speaker 2: the juicy details is that Bear's quarterback Caleb Williams initially
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  Speaker 2: did not want to be Bears quarterback Caleb Williams. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so this came out a couple of weeks ago. You
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  Speaker 2: might remember. Some of the bullet points were Caleb's dad,
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  Speaker 2: Carl Williams. He wasn't a fan of his son playing
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  Speaker 2: for the Bears. He said, Chicago is the place quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: go to die. And according to Wickersham Wickersham, Wickersham, wicker whatever,
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  Speaker 2: he says that Carl Williams also met with lawyers and
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  Speaker 2: agents to look for a way around the NFL draft.
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  Speaker 2: This is how much they were anti Bears, not feeling
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  Speaker 2: the shit Cago Bears. They even considered. He was trying
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  Speaker 2: to find out if his son could sign with the
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: UFL team. That's right, the United Football League. He's like,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: can my son sign with a UFL team and then
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: become an unrestricted NFL free agent? In twenty twenty five
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: and then be able to pick whatever team. Can we do?
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: That?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Is that a thing? That's Those are the steps they
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: were taking to try to avoid the Bears. In the end,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams didn't want to force his way out of
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Chicago or whatever, talk all the trash in the world
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: about Chicago, or play this game of I'm not going
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: to play there and basically force his way out, make
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: it so untenable where the Bears are just like, yeah,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: we're just not gonna select this guy. So Williams said
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: he didn't want to do that, and he quote wasn't
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: ready to nuke the city basically playing that game. So
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that's the backdrop why you might already know all of this.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Why am I restating it? Well, we've got new information
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: over here. Caleb Williams, Bears quarterback on Wednesday this week.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: He attempted to clear the air, or shift the focus,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: or change the narrative or all of the above. It's
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: kind of what he was doing over here. So this
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: is the happy spin on all of those details that
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: are in Seth Wickersham's book that's going to be out
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: in September. This is what Caleb Williams does to kind
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: of put a happy face on everything that was out there.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Check it out, and I want to come here and
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: you know, be the guy and be a part and
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: be a reason on why you know, Chicago Bears turned
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: this thing around. So that last thing that was said
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: and all of that, I think was the most important
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: thing is that I wanted to be here. But I
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: love being here. I love my teammates, you know, I
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: love all the people that that got me here. Family friends, Ryan, Kevin,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: you know, Fluce and Sane, all those guys that you
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: know went through all of that process with me to
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: get me here. But it was a it was a
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: you know, all those things like I said, with thoughts,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: but the main goal and the main objective of being
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: here is to turn around us why I was selected
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: number one.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, So that is man. That is a very very
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: ultra positive spin on the things that emerged from that book.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: So I love that he says, you know that last
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: thing that that was the real important thing that I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: want to be here in Chicago. You know, all those
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: other details about I don't know, me trying to avoid
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the Bears and seeing if I could sign with a
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: UFL team. No, that's not the most important thing. The
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: most important thing is I eventually wanted to be in
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Chicago after not wanting to be in Chicago whatsoever initially. Like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: that's not the most important thing. That's just that's a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: funny spin to me that that would be like this.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: That would be like, let's say you're a single guy
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: and you're out and about and there are a lot
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: of females around, and just picture of these females, like
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the NFL type thing with with Caleb Williams. You know,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is looking around like, oh man, I'd love
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: to go to the Minnesota Vikings, right bears. That'd be
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: like you as a single guy, all these girls are around,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: You're like, wow, look at the hot blonde man. Who
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: oh look at the redhead over that.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Nice. And then you're like, look at that lagoon creature
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: over there. And then somehow you end up with the
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: lagoon creature. And now you're trying to spin it like duh,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I was interested the whole time. What do you mean?
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: What do you mean? No, Like, the most important thing
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: is that I wanted to be with the lagoon creature.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I'm with the lagoon creature. We're making it happen, baby,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: That's what we're doing right now. That's what he's trying
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to do is spin this as if this was the
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: oneed destination the whole time, when we know it wasn't.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: This is just a be spin on everything the other
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: thing is. And I guess this is where I'll do
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: my Big Ben impression.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I can't do it nearly as well as Big Ben.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I haven't even practiced, so it's gonna suck. I'm just
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: let's lower the expectations. Let's temper everything right here. But
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: you know, Big Ben does his format the top of
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: each hour where we'll say something like I've got TMI,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: lack of foresight and mulligan and we'll combine all these
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: things together and make some chocolate tuxedo cheesecake. Is what
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: we're gonna do. That was so good, Thank you?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Mary?
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Was that all right? That was great? I appreciate that,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: very nicely done. Now, the girls, Mary Mack and Brianna,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: they got some cheesecake tonight. It was girls' night out,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and I don't think cheesecake was eaten tonight, but I
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: did ask them their favorite flavors and that's Breeze favorite flavor,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: like the chocolate tuxedo. I've not in that type of cheesecake,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: but that's what we're gonna do. Combining all these things together.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Now number one, we will go with tm I. This
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: is the deal with the Caleb Williams story. This is
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: a classic case of too much information. Unless you think
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Wickersham is the most irresponsible, irresponsible journalist of all time,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: and he's got false quotes and false reports. It just
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: false facts, and it's unless you think that's the case,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: then it's too much information from Caleb Williams and Caleb's dad.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: This is a story for after Caleb's NFL career, not
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: going into year two. Okay, if Caleb Williams has a
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: decorated career, Let's say he puts up some individual numbers
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: for a long time, maybe some great team success. Maybe
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: he messes around and wins Super Bowl or two. It's
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: possible and all of a sudden, this book comes out
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: and there are these details of like, yeah, initially want
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: to go to the Bears. If my dad was asking
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: about maybe going to a UFL team so I could
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: avoid them. If his career is over and he had
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: all this success, and all of a sudden those stories
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: land completely differently. That's like a barroom story you would
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: tell your buddies and everyone's like, get out of here,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: no kidding. Really, it's like a fun thing at that point.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: But going into year two after he was sacked sixty
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: eight times as a rookie and the Bears went five
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and twelve, this is not the time for these type
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of storylines. Yeah. I didn't even want to go there initially,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and my dad is at talking to agents and lawyers
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: and we can we not go to the NFL for
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: one year and then we can pick our team? Can
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: we do that? Is that a thing? That's not what
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: you went out there going into year two after you
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: struggled for most of your rookie season. That's just not smart.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And that's why it's a total lack of foresight. How
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: could you not know this would be the aftermath. It's
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: like they're stunned, like, whoa holy cow? We gave Wickersham
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: these details thinking they were like kind of cool fun facts,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden people are freaking out about it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Weird that you've got Bears fans that are like, what
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the hell? He didn't even want to be here. Really,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You've got NFL fans that are like, wow, listen to
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: what Caleb. He didn't want to be there. They're talking
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: about signing with the UFL team, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the new head coach, Ben Johnson,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: he didn't even been there. He hasn't addressed anything, and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: he's addressing these Caleb Williams stories that are coming out
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: details in this new book. So it's a lack of foresight.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: It's like, Caleb Williams, you have all this positive momentum
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: for the Bears offseason. They upgraded their offensive line, they
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: made some additions to their interior offensive line, made a
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: couple of draft picks that could pay dividends right with
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: this offense, could be difference makers. Colston Loveland, Luther Burden,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: these guys could make a difference. And all of a sudden,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: there are all these details emerging in a book and
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you have to put out these fires like that's just
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: not smart. It's a lack of foresight. And the last
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: part the Mulligan, that's essentially what Caleb Williams is doing
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: with that SoundBite from Wednesday, He's basically asking for a mulligan.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: He's like, the most important part is the last part
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: of me wanting to be here, not the UFL. No no, no, no, no, no,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that's not That's basically Caleb, without directly saying it, He's
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: basically saying, look, my bad, too much information. I stepped
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: in it. Can we just pretend that all of this
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: information isn't out there? Can we just start over again?
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Can we do that? That's basically what he's saying right there,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: because he did he stepped in it. That those are
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: details that should not be out after a rookie year
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: that was shaky at best. Those details should not be
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: out after Caleb's rookie year and Jaden Daniels' rookie year.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels was a rock star in his rookie season,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the number two overall pick. He played much better than
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams did as a rookie, and so you can't
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: have those I'll put it this way, if Jaden Daniels,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: if those details came out with Jaden Daniels after the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: stud rookie season that he had put up numbers led
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: his team to the NFC Championship Game in year one
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: after a four win season, they won twelve games, made
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: it to the NFC title game. If those details came
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: out about Jaden Daniels, like, yeah, initially, I didn't even
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: want to go there. I gotta be honest. Like the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Minnesota I thought that would have been a great landing
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: spot if the planets aligned, and YadA YadA. It lands
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: completely differently because Jaden Daniels had so much success as
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: rookie season, Caleb Williams did not, So it lands differently.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: You have to know that. You have to have foresight
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to know how people are gonna take it based on
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: the context. And Caleb and Carl Williams is like they're
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: out to lunch on that. They're just like we're just
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: sharing some fun facts. That's over sharing. That's the equivalent
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: of calling out sick of work, just calling yeah, I
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: just I don't know, man, I feel horrible. I don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: know what happened. And then all of a sudden, you're
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: posting pictures at the baseball game on social media, Like
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: that's over sharing. You're gonna get busted. What are you doing?
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Why would you do that? That's the whole thing with
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, And I'll put it this way, it's an
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: unnecessary hurdle that he put in front of himself and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: also the Bears organization. But it's not a hurdle that
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: they can't get around or over a lot. This just
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: goes away magically. If Kayleb Williams goes out there this
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: year and plays well, if he's productive, if the Bears
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: are winning games, it's not even a foot note, It
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: just poof goes away. But if Kayleb Williams is struggling,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: he's getting sacked again, the Bears are losing games. Still,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: this story is gonna linger. So they're trying to get
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: out ahead of it and trying to put the flames
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: out when they have the lighter fluid in their hands.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: They have the lighter fluid in the matches in their hands,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and now they're trying to put the fire out and
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: trying to dampen it. It's like, why'd you start it
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: in the first place. You should have known this is
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: what it would be. But it's like they didn't have
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: any idea. All right, eight seven seven ninety nine on
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Fox is your phone number. I'm gonna get to the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: calls coming up next. First thing I do. Oh wow,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: we got lots of them right here. Let me get out.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: First off, we got at least a minute. My guy
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Jerome is in Charles. I've talked to Jerome over the years.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I'm curious when he's up to Jerome. You're on Fox
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Sports Radio. What's going on? What's going on?
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Hey, Brian, Dad killed William's story. That is such a
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: non stories. They boring me talking about this. I got
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: a real story for you, and involves Beyond Sanders and
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: his son Sharlow. And this story has got about.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: That bores me. Jerome, I can't stand. Bores me to tears.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear that.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding that I was doing my Jerome from
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Charleston impression.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Hey, now, what is it?
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Tell me? Tell me what it is.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: He beat the guy up, put the guy in the hospital.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: The guy ended up suing him. Beyond's involved with this
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: massive cover up about what went on between his son
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: and this man. And the guys stood Beyond and his son,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: and they won't do any They want you to pay
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: him on anything. And the Buccaneers go out and draft
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: this guy with it with something like that hanging over
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: his head. Hi, hell, is that possible? If I had
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: done something like that to someone, do you know how
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: much was the time to be given me? I keep
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: beating the crap out of a guy, all right? I
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: just saw the story again again the other day. How
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: may hell is this a non story? The media is
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: not talking about this? Why Deanna have that much power
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: with the media that they can cover something like this?
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: This up. It's been going off for like almost ten years,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: and there's nothing that one can do about it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: So, like, I gotta be honest, I don't know the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: details of the story. So what happened? Shiloh beat someone up?
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: And what?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It's the end of the world. What's going on here?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I don't understand what you're talking about.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Notop out of a guy in high school. Okay, this story,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: it's got to be close to ten years old, and
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Dion went to all kind of degrees to cover this
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: thing up. About the evidence thing happened. He beat a
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: man up and he tossed out another guy in high school. Okay,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: all because he's crazy as hell and the buccaneers got
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: him on the home the roster. Why he's crazy? He's
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: being a man up for nothing and there's nothing anybody
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: could do about it and the meaning refuses to talk
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: about it or do anything about it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you want me to do about it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Like it's like I don't know people get in fights.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you, like the parents
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: are going to cover things up. I understand where you're
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: coming from on it, but I don't know, man, unless
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: like there's some serious harm or someone was beaten within
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: an inch of their life or I don't know. I'd
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: have to know all the details of this story, but
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know that it's it's a story that you
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: care about. If Sanders isn't attached to it, you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like Randy Moss got into a fight
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: when he was in high school, you know, I don't
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: know that you were up in arms about it then,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you know, years ago. So I don't know, but we'll
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: turn the page from that. I appreciate you checking injur
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Rome seven seven ninety nine on Fox is your phone number? Man? Listen.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I laid out the caleble Man had points go Lord
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: did a big ben impression, and Jerome was like, not impressed,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: not impressed. Talk about something I care about? How about that? Man?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Thumbs down to the UH what do they call that?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: What's the word of the the mona? Something I should
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I'm a radio guy, I should know that monologue. There
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: it is, Yeah, the monologue. Goodness, I've been radio long enough.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I forgot the terminology. Yeah, Jerome was like monologue, double
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: thumbs down. No is what he's told me. Right there?
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: That's fine, Well, rally all right, feel free to check in.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I'll get to the militia coming up right around the corner.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: If you're on hold, stay right there, we'll get to you.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I want to get to this momentarily as well. This
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: team is the biggest threat to our long term happiness.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I will let you know which team that is coming
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: up shortly. I'm probably no in for Big Ben Malor.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Keep it locked right here on Fox Sports Radio.