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#128 - Will There Ever Be Another Joe Rogan? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Oh my gosh. Okay. All right. What's up, everyone?
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  So will there ever be another Joe Rogan?
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  And do podcasters have too much influence in our political infrastructure that
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  we have in place right now?
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  In the narrative of media, do podcasters have more power than the mainstream
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  news? Do you know who this is? This is Brandon Fogle.
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  And this is Evolution. Let's dive into this. Okay.
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  I'm going to change up the kind of the flow of all this, you know,
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  it's not going to be like, you know, straight to the point.
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  I'm not like, I'm going to, I'm going to meander more.
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  I have a feeling because I'm going to do what the heck I want to do, you know?
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  And I feel like that is the change of what podcasting is.
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  You create a podcast, you can do whatever you want, You know,
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  it is open season, open game.
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  That's why it can be so fun. And that's why people are in masses coming to podcasts
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  and they're just fleeing places like CNN, ABC, CBS, the mainstream news.
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  That is what has changed and what changed the political cycle last time around
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  when Trump was going against Kamala.
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  But this was raised in an interview that CNN had with Tim Dillon,
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  who was a comedian. a podcaster. He's hilarious.
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  And they were asking him straight up, do podcasters have more power now?
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  And he's like, I think you're giving us a little bit more credit than we deserve.
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  You know, and I think that's just a straight, honest answer.
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  You know, it's everything is what you put into it.
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  It's if you look at something and you think it has more power than it does,
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  it is perception is reality.
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  How you look at something that is what just thrusts meaning into it.
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  If you see it is like they have a lot of power than they do.
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  If you want to recalculate your missteps in the past previous election,
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  that's your business, you know?
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  And you want to try to just scapegoat or make excuses.
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  That's your, that's your deal. I wanted to talk about this because Joe Rogan,
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  he has been the man of podcasting for years now.
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  He started on YouTube and he's still on YouTube, but he went to Spotify and
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  now his stuff is back on YouTube.
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  His whole archive is back on there. You can find it all. And he's got over like
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  3000 conversations, episodes.
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  And man, the more you watch, the more you just get entrenched in it.
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  You just, it's a different worldview because he changed the game.
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  He changed it all because it was no longer of sound bites.
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  You know, I guess we're getting a little bit more sound bite-ish with clips
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  and everybody clipping everything up.
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  That could be the Andrew Tate phenomenon that he started that where everything
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  gets clipped up and you, it becomes a nice little reel that people see.
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  And then, you know, they're, they're hooked.
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  But Joe Rogan, he started it with, I'm just going to sit down with my friends
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  and talk for hours and hours and hours.
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  And that's what drew so many people because it was no longer suit and tie,
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  say all the right words, not say the F word or not say, you know,
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  anything else that steps outside of the norm of society and what, you know,
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  society has placed on people that if they're on TV, they cannot say a curse
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  word, or if they're on TV, they cannot say something that's outlandish and crazy,
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  and maybe spark our interest to look into something that we've always just accepted.
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  He, and I think that's why he changed his game so much from early on.
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  He's like, people are really listening to me and everything that I'm saying,
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  everybody's hanging on to every word that I'm saying on my podcast,
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  and where he was just curious in a lot of ways, and just asking questions about
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  things that seem like you don't touch that. You do not touch that at all.
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  And he was asking it because he was curious. And I think that's the human heart.
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  And I think that is what has drove so many people to him because he's smart,
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  but he plays dumb in a lot of ways. And he's extremely curious.
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  And when he has people on, he's just straight up. He gets to the real core of
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  the person of who he's talking to. And people love that.
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  People absolutely love that. So he has changed the game in that in that facet
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  but is podcasting i just love it because it is it is completely upended everything
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  of what we just expected news to be what we expected expected people that were
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  just shoving information down our throat,
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  as opposed to now we can question things. The internet blew that up,
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  but Joe Rogan had a specific focal point and pushing it in a new direction.
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  So will there ever be another Joe Rogan?
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  I can't, to be honest, no, there will not.
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  There will never ever be somebody to that extreme because he came from sitcoms.
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  He came from Fear Factor.
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  He came from UFC.
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  He is the one who made UFC. You could say Dana White, that he had a huge hand in it, which obviously.
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  But I think the whole vibe of UFC is because of Joe Rogan.
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  It's because of Joe Rogan. He
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  put it in the best spot available because of his, just the way that he is.
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  He comes to it and he makes it for the regular everyman.
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  Because he's just, I'm just having the time of my life watching people get the
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  hell beat out of him, you know? And it's just fun to talk about.
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  You know, it's fun to just discuss and I'm living the dream.
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  That's what he's doing every day when he was doing UFC and he still does UFC.
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  He doesn't go to Canada, though. That is one thing he will not do at this time, at this time.
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  But the way that he has just changed the infrastructure of everything is just bananas.
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  But it was very eye opening to me the way that the mainstream news is kind of
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  coming around to can we maybe get ourselves a guy that can do what he can do, a liberal that can do.
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  And Joe Rogan, you could say by all accounts and measures, he is liberal. But now he's just been.
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  Pushed out of his own party, and the marker has been pushed so far,
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  he seems like a right winger when he's not at all.
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  He is still centrist, a lot more leaning left, but he has been driven to the
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  right just because everybody on the left went crazy.
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  All right, here's a take from Jesse Waters and his view of Joe Rogan and podcasters.
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  Will there ever be another Joe Rogan? Let's see what has to say.
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  They had Rogan, they lost him, and there'll never be another Rogan.
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  The guy had to go on Fear Factor and eat scorpions first.
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  He had to do the comedy circuit, UFC, and then climbed the charts of podcasting.
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  It took years to get there.
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  There's no hidden, undiscovered liberal Rogan just waiting to be discovered.
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  He's popular because he's really curious. And in the Democrat party,
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  curiosity killed the Democrat.
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  You can't question authority if you're a Democrat, because the Democrats are
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  the authority. I just love that.
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  It's so true. It shows us the era that we are in, the zeitgeist that has become America.
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  America, this is, we're no longer going, I mean, I think Europe and the UK,
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  they're still, they're still more, a little more sophisticated and they,
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  they're so proper. They're so proper over there.
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  And we just come out, just, we live our emotions on our sleeve.
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  This is how we are, you know, love it or hate it, you know, and this is the
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  direction we are going, that people can just say what they want.
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  Freedom of speech, freedom of thought. And that is what podcasting is the pinnacle
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  of, that people can say what they want and they can just live life. They don't have to be,
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  controlled. They don't have to have their minds censored and their thoughts
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  controlled by whoever's in power.
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  And you'd say the media has been in power forever.
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  I think it was just when the TV first came out, there was only a few channels
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  and a lot of people just took that.
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  I mean, when there's no choice out there, whoever is in the position of primacy,
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  they don't got any competition.
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  And now with the internet explosion and now with podcasting and people just
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  going on there and saying whatever the hell they want, it has changed the game. And it's awesome.
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  It's, it's, it's a new era for America. I know it's, it's been bubbling up for a while.
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  Joe Rogan, he changed it all. He absolutely changed it all.
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  I want to switch gears a little bit because this stood out to me yesterday.
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  Joe Rogan, he released a podcast he had with Aaron Rogers.
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  And in that sit down, a little short phrase that we're only going to hear a
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  little bit of it, what he says, but he's going to say something stood out to me.
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  He says, I have no enemies, but he doesn't say it like that.
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  He doesn't just say, I have no enemies.
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  No, he says it like just flippant, just, just off the cuff.
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  Like, so, I mean, it just, it comes out quickly and let's see if you can catch it.
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  I guess you're going to catch it because he says it. Okay, here I mean,
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  you shouldn't criticize the bad stuff, but if you criticize everything or if
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  you ignore all the good stuff, then no one is going to listen to you.
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  You can't do that. It's like if you have an enemy, if I have an enemy,
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  I don't have any enemies, but if I right there, I don't have any enemies.
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  Just, I don't know if anybody else caught that or if you even stood out to him.
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  I don't have any enemies.
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  Should we have enemies? Because I
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  Patrick David, he's another businessman, famous podcaster that's out there,
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  does so many different things.
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  He has so much power and influence in this world.
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  He's great. He was on the George Janko show and he has a book that is out that's
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  like, choose your enemies wisely.
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  And George and Patrick, they got in this whole kind of, they're both Christian,
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  but it seemed like it got as much as Christians can get a little disagreeable between them.
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  George's kind of viewpoint and Patrick's viewpoint, Patrick,
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  he has that you should almost have enemies.
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  Or maybe he wasn't even arguing that, but he's like, I got enemies.
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  This is what I'm dealing with. This is what I live with. And he.
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  God creates people in different ways. Not everybody is cookie cutter in the kingdom of God.
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  Not everybody is the exact same. There's a George Janko.
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  There's a Patrick, but David and Patrick, he has, I have my enemies and I've
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  chosen them that are out there for some reason or other.
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  And they are the ones that fuel me and just set me on fire and,
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  and give me that chip on my shoulder and just give me an extra drive as if I needed any more.
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  I've seen out there, Dave Portnoy. He also has, I've heard this,
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  that he has champagne bottles.
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  I don't know if this is right, but that he will pop open when his enemies kind
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  of crumble or fall or something bad happens to them.
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  Like almost a celebration of something going wrong for someone else.
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  Joe says, I do not have any enemies. And he says it just like,
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  I don't know if he's not thinking, but I think when you say something quick,
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  it almost reveals a little bit more who you are. I don't have any enemies.
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  He says it so quickly because it really is. I think he really does have no enemies.
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  Like in his mind, there is no one,
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  that he views as an enemy who was against him.
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  I've heard Joe, he says, I will not read the comments. I don't read the comments.
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  You know, don't look at the comments. Stay away from that. It'll just bring you down.
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  It'll just mess you up. And comments will mess you up. They will mess you up if you let them.
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  I've seen, you always hear so many people say, I get so many good comments,
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  but then the bad ones are the ones that eat me alive and will just tear me down.
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  For me, the good ones are the ones I just remember.
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  I don't remember all the bad ones, maybe because I'm getting a lot more bad
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  comments than Joe, but he doesn't even read his comments. But maybe one time he did.
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  But I just know that the things that people say can definitely hurt you if you allow them to.
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  But even biblically speaking, there are going to be enemies.
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  We all have enemies. Even whether you want to not realize that they're there, they're still there.
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  There are people that will want to hurt you just by any success you have or
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  just want to hurt you in general. I can understand that.
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  I can understand that. I sometimes have the trouble of thinking that people
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  generally want the good for me or generally want the good for people.
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  And I think that's because probably I'm not wired in a good way,
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  probably not wired in the best of way.
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  Some people are more wired for a propensity for something not so good as opposed to others.
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  And maybe that's, it looks like it's a curse that they have it,
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  but it might become, it might be easier for someone to have a good mindset than
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  another one, than somebody else. And they have to struggle against that.
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  I wonder when somebody has something, I think that is maybe, what's that word?
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  Cynicism or just that you just, you glass half full as opposed to half empty kind of thing.
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  I think sometimes I have a glass half empty that I see, I see the bad in things.
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  You know, you see the person on the two sides of the bus.
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  One person looks out, they see it's stormy and it's raining.
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  They're just down. Same situation.
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  And on the other side, the other person is just, just exuberant and just happy and just lit up.
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  Everybody's different. And I think it's the mindset. Joe Rogan carries himself.
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  He has a different mindset than other people.
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  I don't have any enemies. He doesn't, he's not at the point anymore where he
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  needs people to fuel him.
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  He's going on his own, he's living his own thing, and he's just having fun with it.
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  And I think the day you stop having fun with it, the day you're going to lose.
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  You're not going to keep going. You're not going to become the greatest version of you.
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  So will there be another Joe Rogan? I would say no. There will never be another
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  Joe Rogan. He is the pioneer.
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  I always said Adam Carolla, he was kind of the guy who made it huge,
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  you know, but there are always different people that will put you,
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  be that milestone or that stepping stone for you.
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  You know, Tom Green was a huge stepping stone for Joe Rogan because he was the
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  person that you could say almost set Joe Rogan in a perfect spot to do what
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  he is doing and what he's done over the last 10 years.
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  Because Tom Green put it in his mind that this is the new way,
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  the new wave of communication and internet.
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  Internet is just going to just change everything. The landscape,
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  you know, it is open season. It is free game for anyone.
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  Anyone can take it because of the internet, what we have.
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  So there will not be another Joe Rogan. He is the king of podcasting.
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  So I'll leave it at that. Have a great day, everyone.