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• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Is the reform good Evening Coming up on the show tonight,
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: a regional town in Uproar over a proposed solar farm
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  Speaker 1: with plans get this to cover hundreds of acres in
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  Speaker 1: seven hundred and forty thousand panels. I'll talk to locals.
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  Speaker 1: The e Safety Commissioner calls off her action against X.
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  Speaker 1: Has she come to her senses or is something else
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: going on? Sophie Ellsworth will join me. And Sydney's archbishop
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  Speaker 1: threatens to shut down Catholic schools over restrictions on religious freedom.
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  Speaker 1: I'll ask my panel if that's a winning tactic. But first,
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: this will be life changing legislation that will help generations
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: of Australians. That's what Prime Minister Anthony Albanize said way
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  Speaker 1: back in September when he announced a ten billion dollar
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  Speaker 1: Housing Australia Future Fund. The fund he promised, would and
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  Speaker 1: I quote create a secure, ongoing pipeline of funding for
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  Speaker 1: social and affordable rental housing. Now that was ten months ago.
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  Speaker 1: So how's that secure ongoing pipeline of social and affordable
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  Speaker 1: housing going well? In the two hundred and ninety six
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  Speaker 1: days since the pipeline was announced, not a single house,
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  Speaker 1: Not one has been built, not even a bungalow or
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: a shed, not even a tepee. As pipelines go, it's
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: more of a dead end. But just because Housing Australia
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  Speaker 1: isn't housing any Australians doesn't mean nothing's happening. The agency
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: task with building houses has spent more than twenty four
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  Speaker 1: million dollars on consultants and six million dollars on executive salaries.
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  Speaker 1: So sure, you don't have anywhere to live, but you'll
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  Speaker 1: be pleased to hear that Housing Australia have upgraded their
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  Speaker 1: IT systems and have received some very good legal advice.
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  Speaker 1: Oh when the staff at Housing Australia are doing just fine,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for asking. This seems increasingly to be the way
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  Speaker 1: things are done in Canberra now. The Alben Eazy government
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  Speaker 1: makes a grand announcement and commits an eyewatering amount of money.
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  Speaker 1: The money then goes around and around in Canberra, but
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  Speaker 1: strangely it never leaves Canberra. Finally, the government boasts that
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  Speaker 1: because they've spent the money, the commitment has been met. Outcomes, Well,
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  Speaker 1: they don't matter and they don't care. I could give
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  Speaker 1: you more examples, but we don't have time to get
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  Speaker 1: into Indigenous affairs billions promised, millions, spent, nothing delivered. Then
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  Speaker 1: our political class pat themselves on the back and ask
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  Speaker 1: what shall we spend taxpayer money on not doing? Next,
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  Speaker 1: news that Housing Australia had spent money on anything and
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  Speaker 1: everything but Housing came just days after warnings that the
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  Speaker 1: agency was unlikely to produce a single home in the
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  Speaker 1: government's entire first term. Now this is because the government
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  Speaker 1: has stipulated that builders building home for the Home building
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  Speaker 1: agency that builds no homes must have particular workplace health
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  Speaker 1: and safety accreditation and of more than four hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: construction companies registered in Australia, only around five hundred have
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  Speaker 1: that particular accreditation. So what did the government do Well,
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  Speaker 1: of course, they announced an extra thirteen point two million
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  Speaker 1: dollars in the main budget to help builders get the
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  Speaker 1: required piece of paper. That's thirteen point two million dollars
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  Speaker 1: more of Housing Australia. That won't produce any houses, but
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  Speaker 1: that will provide workplace health and safety certificates for builders
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  Speaker 1: who already have workplace health and safety certificates, just not
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  Speaker 1: Housing Australia workplace health and safety certificates. Now, obviously that
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  Speaker 1: will boost the number of builders fully accredited to build houses.
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  Speaker 1: If only Housing Australia were building any Oh and you
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  Speaker 1: ask how long will it take for the builders to
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  Speaker 1: get their required certification, Well, Housing experts told The Australian
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  Speaker 1: it's expected to take between nine and twelve months. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: Monty Python on a good day couldn't write this kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff speaking of comedy gold. Responding to criticism that
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  Speaker 1: Housing Australia had housed no Australians, a government spokesperson said,
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  Speaker 1: and I quote, if the Liberals had their way, there
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  Speaker 1: would not be one home delivered by the fund. Well
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  Speaker 1: who knows, but at least they wouldn't have spent thirty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars to build no homes. If you or I
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  Speaker 1: spent millions of other people's money and got nothing in return,
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  Speaker 1: we'd be sacked or imprisoned. So how can the government
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  Speaker 1: do it? Will because they're the government. And you know
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  Speaker 1: the greatest irony in all of this, don't you. Elbinezy
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  Speaker 1: hopes that will reward him for doing nothing to solve
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  Speaker 1: the housing crisis by putting a roof over his head
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  Speaker 1: for three more years in the lodge. Honestly, former Soviet
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  Speaker 1: Union bureaucrats would be blushing speaking of more government larges.
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: The Victorian government, with the largest debt of all state
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  Speaker 1: and territory governments, has decided to invest millions in space tourism.
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: Apparently it was that or a ticket impowable. While the
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  Speaker 1: Descina Allen government demands regional hospitals cut costs or clothes,
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  Speaker 1: it's firing thirty seven million dollars of taxpayer money into
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  Speaker 1: outer space. The massive investment in a US space tourism
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  Speaker 1: company will be amazing if it comes off, just like
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  Speaker 1: the investment in the Commonwealth Games would have been amazing
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  Speaker 1: if it had come off, and kind of like the
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  Speaker 1: investment in the East West Link would also have been
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  Speaker 1: amazing if it had come off. But let's not get
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  Speaker 1: hung up on past failures. This is space tourism. What
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  Speaker 1: could possibly go wrong? The project looks about as solid
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  Speaker 1: as the surface of Jupiter. Arizona based Worldview is selling
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  Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars tickets for space flights that will
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  Speaker 1: take off from the Great Barrier Reef. Now, the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they don't yet have approval for these flights is
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  Speaker 1: no barrier to Victorian investment. The Victorian government says it's
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  Speaker 1: thirty seven million dollar investment in Worldview will see the
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  Speaker 1: company establish its Indo Pacific mission control and flight operations
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  Speaker 1: in Melbourne to Infinity and beyond. The company's track record,
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  Speaker 1: though doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but then again, needed as
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  Speaker 1: the Victorian government, so maybe it's a match made in heaven.
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  Speaker 1: The ABC reported that in twenty seventeen, Worldview teamed up
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  Speaker 1: with KFC to launch a burger into the stratosphere. I
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: guess the government thought, well, if you can launch a
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  Speaker 1: piece of chicken into space, why not Victorians. But wait
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: before you rush out and buy a ticket, you should
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  Speaker 1: know the mission was aborted due to a leak in
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  Speaker 1: one of the company's altitude control balloon systems. Fortunately, the
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  Speaker 1: KFC burger was unarmed. It could have been a whopper,
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  Speaker 1: just into Allen's not chicken. Though, nor is her government
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  Speaker 1: put off by reports that a county in Arizona sued
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  Speaker 1: Worldview after investing fifteen million dollars, only for the company
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  Speaker 1: to create just a tiny fraction of the jobs that
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  Speaker 1: promise now. The last Victorian state budget included cuts of
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  Speaker 1: twenty three million dollars to cancer research, but had to
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  Speaker 1: spare thirty seven million dollars to throw at a speculative
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  Speaker 1: space tourism jaunt. Tell you what space cadets, the Victorian
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  Speaker 1: labor government, all of them. Well, now to an interview
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  Speaker 1: in the Australian newspaper Today which has laid bare the
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  Speaker 1: real human consequences of Andrew Jiles' direction ninety nine. Jarles
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  Speaker 1: immigration policy that put what he called an obligation to
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  Speaker 1: foreign born criminals over and above the government's responsibility to
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  Speaker 1: community safety. Well, that allowed New Zealand citizen Glen Taylor
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  Speaker 1: to stay in Australia. This was despite the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Taylor racked up thirty five convictions for things like assault, stalking,
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  Speaker 1: intimidation and property damage. Now, single mother Jessica Mills was
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  Speaker 1: a long term neighbor of mister Taylor and she spoke
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  Speaker 1: out about the way Taylor terrorized her and her children,
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  Speaker 1: and she lays the blame solely on Andrew Giles. Have
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  Speaker 1: listened to her story.
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  Speaker 2: What we went through, no family should have to go through.
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  Speaker 2: He actually was a New Zealand citizen. The questions were raised,
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  Speaker 2: why is he still here? There's criminal charges that have
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  Speaker 2: been laid against them time and time again. How many
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  Speaker 2: times did it have to be laid out now?
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  Speaker 1: Giles' failure to prioritize the safety of Australians in his
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  Speaker 1: immigration policy is pretty clear. It was his direction ninety
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  Speaker 1: nine that allowed people like Taylor to remain in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me now is the panel former New South Wales
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  Speaker 1: Treasurer Michael Costa and Liberal MP Garth Hamilton. Michael, Surely
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  Speaker 1: the most basic job of an Australian government is to
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  Speaker 1: protect Australians. The Albanezy government have failed spectacularly.
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  Speaker 3: There's no doubt they've failed.
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  Speaker 4: And what's worse is they're taking so long to resolve
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  Speaker 4: this matter. And now we've been told that they're going
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  Speaker 4: to change this direction by the end of the week.
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  Speaker 4: You would have thought that a direction of this nature
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't have taken a week to do in any event, Look,
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  Speaker 4: the bottom line here is this not only is disturbing
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  Speaker 4: in terms of the implications for all of the people
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  Speaker 4: and the victims of people that should have been removed
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  Speaker 4: from the country, but from a government's point of view,
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  Speaker 4: they have got no clean air in terms of the
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  Speaker 4: politics that they require to move forward in terms of
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  Speaker 4: any election re election strategy. I mean The fact of
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  Speaker 4: the matter is they've mishandled this. The Minister's still there
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  Speaker 4: as long as he remains, and the only remains because
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  Speaker 4: I think the finger will be pointed at the Prime
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  Speaker 4: Minister for the ultimate responsibility. You're going to have this
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  Speaker 4: thing drag on and on and more and more victims
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  Speaker 4: than have come forward, and the problem will still be there.
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  Speaker 1: You're quite right about the government not having any clear air.
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  Speaker 1: But back to Jessica Millsgarth, the lady we heard from,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, where's her clear air? She's living next door
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  Speaker 1: to some one who is harassing her, traumatizing her month
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  Speaker 1: after month for years they were neighbors. No one does anything.
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  Speaker 1: Now she finds out it was government policy to allow
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  Speaker 1: this person to remain there. Who gets held accountable for
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  Speaker 1: this or is this just one of those things where
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  Speaker 1: you know what everyone's pointing fingers and no one has
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  Speaker 1: ever held to account.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I agree very much with Jessica here, and I'm
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  Speaker 5: very sad to hear the story that she's gone through.
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  Speaker 5: But she's right. Andrew Giles is one hundred percent responsible
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  Speaker 5: for this, and at the moment, look, he's given this
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  Speaker 5: line that we have some obligation to foreign born criminals.
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  Speaker 5: The Prime Minister needs to act now. He needs to
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  Speaker 5: get rid of Giles and send a very clear message
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  Speaker 5: we don't have an obligation to foreign born criminals. We
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  Speaker 5: have an obligation as parliamentarians to the Australian people that's
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  Speaker 5: who elected us. That is the first job of this government.
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  Speaker 5: He needs to take that step very clearly and very quickly,
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  Speaker 5: because what we can really ascertain now from everything that's happened,
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  Speaker 5: this isn't a series of accidents or mistakes or calamities.
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  Speaker 5: It's before on this government. This is clearly a set
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  Speaker 5: of beliefs that Minister Giles holds very very dearly, and
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  Speaker 5: that he has rolled out through his direction ninety nine
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  Speaker 5: and everything that has happened is as he wanted it
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  Speaker 5: to happen. This is entirely his responsibility.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 1: The amazing thing about this, Michael, is we've been talking
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  Speaker 1: about immigration stuff ups. It feels like for months. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I think we have been talking about them for months.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure of any other issue in recent times
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  Speaker 1: that has dragged on for so long and just hounded
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  Speaker 1: a government. It's quite amazing. I spoke at the top
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  Speaker 1: of the program about Housing Australia, the agency responsible for
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  Speaker 1: rolling out the Prime Minister's plan for forty thousand new
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  Speaker 1: social and affordable houses within the next five years. Now
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  Speaker 1: they've burned through thirty million dollars in a single year
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  Speaker 1: on consultants and salaries for the grand total of zero
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  Speaker 1: homes built. Michael, you're a former State treasurer. Is this
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  Speaker 1: reasonable or is it wasteful?
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  Speaker 7: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: This is an absolute disgrace.
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  Speaker 4: And not only that, there is no chance in the
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  Speaker 4: world that this program is going to work.
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  Speaker 3: There is absolutely no chance.
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  Speaker 4: And I noted in your introduction you talked about the
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  Speaker 4: accreditation Wait till the unions get involved in this. With
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  Speaker 4: a reinvigorated Fair Work Commission and a reinvigorated Industrial Relations
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  Speaker 4: Acts that puts the unions in the center of this
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  Speaker 4: housing construction, you're going to see delay after delay and
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  Speaker 4: cost blowout after cost blowout. This will fail. It is
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  Speaker 4: absolutely guaranteed to fail. It reminds me of the pink bats.
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  Speaker 4: Hopefully there's no fatalities and problems that arise because of
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  Speaker 4: this program, but as an economic program, as a house
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  Speaker 4: building program, it's going to fail. And secondly, I mean
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the problems relate to the state level.
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  Speaker 4: You point out the state level, it's the planning issues,
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  Speaker 4: the development issues, the das, all of those infrastructure issues
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  Speaker 4: that are to put these houses that there is absolutely
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: no coordination with the federal government. It's a waste of
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  Speaker 4: money and it's the wrong way to approach this when
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  Speaker 4: we know that immigrations partly drive and the problems in
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  Speaker 4: this area and they need to deal with that.
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  Speaker 1: Garth, you're a politician, I'm not so Help me understand
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  Speaker 1: when politicians throw out these promises. You know, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to build forty thousand how homes the next five years
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Do they believe it when they
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  Speaker 1: say it? And do they keep believing it? Or at
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  Speaker 1: some point did they believe it? But now they even
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: know this ain't going to happen, but they can't admit
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  Speaker 1: it and they just hope we all forget about it.
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  Speaker 1: How does this actually work? Because I'm confused.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think a lot of Australians are confused. I'm
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  Speaker 5: a politician now, I started off life as a concreteor
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  Speaker 5: anyone who's done any time when the tools knew this
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  Speaker 5: was a ridiculous promise for the Albanizy government to make
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  Speaker 5: there's absolutely no surprise to see it for but to
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  Speaker 5: see it completely deliver absolutely nothing. Now is this government
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  Speaker 5: now has a crisis of credibility because we're in the
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  Speaker 5: middle of a house in crisis. They have let in
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: over five hundred thousand people in the year leading up
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  Speaker 5: to last September. We've seen the numbers a city the
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  Speaker 5: size of Adelaide coming to Australia. And their answer to
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  Speaker 5: this was, don't worry. We've got this great housing program.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to solve everything. Don't listen to those nasty
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  Speaker 5: liberals who are pointing out facts about how many people
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  Speaker 5: are coming here, how many homes are being made available.
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  Speaker 5: Don't worry about that. We've got the answer. It turns
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  Speaker 5: out they don't. They have absolutely no answer whatsoever. And
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  Speaker 5: Australia's future is getting that much dimmer, that much unlikely
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  Speaker 5: for Australians looking to get a house, to be able
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  Speaker 5: to get onto that property ladder.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to spend the entire segment
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  Speaker 1: just bagging the government. So I was trying to find
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: something positive we could talk about, and I thought, well,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: maybe we could talk about the NDIS. But we learned
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: this week that's a complete mess as well. In fact,
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: we learned that it's a two billion dollar a year mess.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: That's how much is being roarted. According to the scheme's
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  Speaker 1: integrity chief John Dardo, he claims that a survey of
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  Speaker 1: NDIS plan managers found ninety percent showed and I quote,
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  Speaker 1: significant indicators of fraud. Health Minister Mark Butler was wheeled
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  Speaker 1: out this morning to defend the indefensible. Here he was
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  Speaker 1: on the Today Show.
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  Speaker 8: This is a terrific scheme that's providing support to people
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  Speaker 8: with disability. There's certainly too many dodgy providers, which is
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  Speaker 8: why Bill Shorten's legislation before the Parliament to clean it
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  Speaker 8: up and get the NDIS back on track is so important.
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  Speaker 8: He understands the needs of Australians living with disability and
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  Speaker 8: their families. Intimately, they know him well, they trust him
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  Speaker 8: that on action and we need to pass these laws
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  Speaker 8: through the parliament.
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  Speaker 1: Garth. How can they call it a wonderful scheme when
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  Speaker 1: there's two billion dollars worth of raughts and ninety percent
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  Speaker 1: of the program managers are being accused of fraud. By
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  Speaker 1: what definition is that a great scheme?
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  Speaker 5: Look I'll speak very personally on this one. We hear
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  Speaker 5: often everyone who starts off a conversation about the NDIS
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  Speaker 5: talks about the good that the scheme does. I'm losing
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  Speaker 5: faith in the scheme and I think a great many
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  Speaker 5: Australians are. I absolutely want to see part of my
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  Speaker 5: tax dollars go towards helping out the most disadvantage people
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  Speaker 5: in our society. I think that's a good thing. Most
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  Speaker 5: people would agree with that, But severely disabled people deserve
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: some help in our community. Everyone's behind that idea, but
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  Speaker 5: we've got to separate that from what the NDIS is
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  Speaker 5: and what it's become. And I think at this point
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  Speaker 5: the idea that it can be just just manipulated a
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  Speaker 5: little bit to get it back on track. No, it
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  Speaker 5: needs substantive change to make this a program that actually
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  Speaker 5: does what it's supposed to do without becoming the blank
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  Speaker 5: check that it looks like.
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  Speaker 1: More and more, Michael just quickly bill shorton who's in
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  Speaker 1: charge of this mess. He can't do a Giles and
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: blame everybody else because he was there at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: He was there when the Julia Gillard government and he
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  Speaker 1: was instrumental in actually setting up this scheme which has
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  Speaker 1: now run so far off the rails.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely right, and many people at the time said that
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  Speaker 4: this would become wasn't managed properly, a honeypotter, and lead
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  Speaker 4: to exactly the problems that are there. But remember these
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: problems are also being there during the period of the coalition.
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  Speaker 4: So look, I think what needs to happen here is
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  Speaker 4: to take it seriously in terms of the fraud component,
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  Speaker 4: and that requires I would argue that you set up
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  Speaker 4: a special unit within the Australian Federal Police and you
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  Speaker 4: start to focus on the fraud as a problem and
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  Speaker 4: of itself.
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  Speaker 3: In terms of the ndis.
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  Speaker 4: Remember the federal budgets predicated on a reduction of its
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: growth from fourteen percent to eight percent, and you've got
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  Speaker 4: the Federal Treasurer out there today saying that he's got
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: the budget exactly right. None of those savings have actually emerged,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: and it's only after the budget that we hear that
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  Speaker 4: the rauting is up to two billion dollars. And I
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: think it's higher than that because you've also got to
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: include the inefficiencies that are emerging in the programs that
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: are so that are allegedly well run. I mean that's
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  Speaker 4: also wasted public money. In a sense, it's a giant
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  Speaker 4: scandal that needs to be a bipartisan approach and so
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: focus on getting rid of the criminality out of the system.
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  Speaker 1: Michael, I agree with you, they need to crack down
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  Speaker 1: on the fraud. But the Integrity chief said yesterday that
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: if they were to prosecute everybody involved in fraud in
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the NDIS, he said it would literally break the judicial system.
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  Speaker 1: There's that much fraud going on. What an absolute mess, Michael.
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  Speaker 3: Costa, that's an indictment.
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  Speaker 1: It is an absolute indictment. Michael Garth, thanks so much
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  Speaker 1: for your time. Well, we're going to go to a break,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: but don't go anywhere. A regional communities fight to keep
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: BP from building a giant solar farm on their prime land.
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk to local residents. Plus a win for free
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  Speaker 1: speech as Australia's e Safety Commissioner drops her fight against
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  Speaker 1: Elon Musk. All of that in just a moment. Welcome back.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Well we're told green energy is free, it's not. And
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: we're also told green energy is great for the environment,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: which shares the good people of Golben in your South
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Wales are finding out is not true. Either a small
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: regional community just south of Goldben with its pristine surroundings,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: is set to be transformed into an industrial wasteland, all
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: in the name of creating the government's clean energy future.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Energy Giant BP is proposing to build a huge solar
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: farm consisting get this, of more than seven hundred and
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: forty thousand solar panels that will blanket hundreds of acres
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of prime grazing land. Joining me now is Save Gonderry
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Plains Action Group chair and Gonderry Farmer stand more, stand
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. This solar farm is going to
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: be enormous, almost eight hundred thousand solar panels. I find
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: it hard to even envisage. Just talk me through what
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: they have planned.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Well, what they've planned.
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  Speaker 9: They've got a site of some seven hundred hectares, which
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: is one thousand, six hundred and fifty acres or seven
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: square col and they're going to cover it with about
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: seven hundred and forty five thousand panels, a substation and
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: also a large battery system. And the issue is it's
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: on a property next door to us. The property or
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: the site is the amalgamation of three properties, so it's
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: large enough to put that many panels on and you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: we only learned about this two years ago, and since
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: then we've been dealing with BP or a light source
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: which is fully owned or one hundred percent owned by BP,
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: and it's going to destroy the landscape. Their site is
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: amongst one hundred and six family homes this area of
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: gold and is closely settled, and so you have some
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: small blocks and some larger farming blocks, but most of
• 21:02
  Speaker 9: them are in what i'd say is a lifestyle category
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: and one hundred and six people around it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: And that's it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: Within only four kilometers of the boundary of the site.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: All right, So, Stan for all the green voters watching
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: this program from their inner city cafes that they're probably wondering,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: what's the fuss about solar panels. This is wonderful seven
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: kilometers of them. It's beautiful. Why are you so upset
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: about it?
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: Well, it's supposedly to help the environment, but it's going
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: to destroy the environment. They not only denee the existing
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: country to level it and it's undulating country, but they
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: will skim the top of it. They remove existing trees
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: and on the Gunderi planes we have scattered eucalyips mainly
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: and they will all be removed. Many of those are
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: homes to wedgetail eagles.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: We have them on our property.
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: Also there are echidnas which we have on our property.
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: But they say they found none, but that's not the case.
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: They do exist. And also it basically for everybody who
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: lives here, it's going to change the whole nature of
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: our outlook of our community because it's going to be
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: turned into an industrial estate.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: That there's other problems as well as the environmental impact,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: which obviously is huge as if outlined, But what about
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: things like fire risk? And my understanding is the substation
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: which causes all the solar panels to move. It moves
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: them something like every fifteen minutes, so fire risks. You're
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: also going to have noise issues, are you.
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: Not, Oh, look there's noise. There's operational noise. Every fifteen
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: minutes during the day when the sun shining, the single
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: axis panels will move and there's a machine on each
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: group of panels which tilts them, tilts them towards the sun.
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: So that's one area of noise. The other area of
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: noise for those who are close to the battery batteries
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: and inverters require air conditioning they will run during the
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: time that it's producing electricity, and we just you know
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: where at wits end many of the people here not
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: just the noise, the visual impact, but it's really destroying
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: our community's way of life and that's resulting in some
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: significant mental issues. You mentioned fire and fire was an
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: area that Gungdairy planes back in nineteen eighty five when
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: a fire burnt across our planes and ended up being
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: stopped at the ocean. It goes through national parks and
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: all of that sort of thing done before it gets there.
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: There are some forty two residents on the eastern side
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: of this development who have a one way know through
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: road access, and so if a fire came across, they
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: will effectively be trapped.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: In the bush.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Stan I need to go, but just just before I do,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: obviously you've had talks with the company who are proposing this.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: What's their reception being like to your concerns?
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: Just quickly, they pretend to lism, they don't, They deceive,
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: they deny, and of course they lie and to us
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: in a city folk who think, well this is great,
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: you know what for You're obviously in the regions where
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: you're going to have these things put.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: What's your message for the city dwellers who think this
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: clean energy future is just all wonderful.
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: I'd ask them to come to our place and have
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: a look to see what the effect will be. And
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: it's not just this one. There is another one of
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: a similar size proposed only two kilometers away.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Well, Stan Moore, I appreciate you coming on and telling
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: us about it. Thanks for your time.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I please well.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: In a win for free speech, Australia's E Safety Commissioner
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: has decided to abandon her federal court case against Elon
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Musk's social media platform X. Safety Commissioner Julie in Man
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Grant I always struggle with that name. She wanted X
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: to remove videos of the Wakely church stabbing, claiming it
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: was her duty to protect you and I from what
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: she called graphic violent content, joining me to discuss as
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: media writer for The Australian Sophie Ellsworth. Sophie, why did
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the E Safety Commissioner suddenly drop this case? Was it
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: just too hard or is something else going on? Well?
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: I think it is a bit of a case here, James.
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: It is too hard because in the preliminary hearings regarding
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: this case, Justice Ken it determined that it basically wasn't
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: feasible to have these bands on content in Australia. That
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: would consequently mean the content would be banned on a
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: global scale. Now I'm all for content that is harmful
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: to be looked at very carefully online. But when you
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: are taking off bits and pieces of content online, you
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: open up a can of worms and you have to
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: determine what is appropriate to be removed and what is not,
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: and who is the arbiter of this. So she has
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: announced today that she's abandoning this case.
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: Obviously this is a win for ill.
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: On Musk and platform X and also win for free speech.
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: But again I say that with a disclaimer that there
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: can be issues with running harmful content. But again it
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: is what is harmful and what is not harmful, and
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: then who determines what comes off a platform and what
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: stays on a platform?
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: James, Yeah, I might say it was also a win
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: for Bishop mar Mauri Emmanuel who wanted people to be
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: able to see what actually happened to him, so it's
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a win for him as well. The E Safety Commissioner
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: spoke out today saying it was her duty to protect
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Australians and interestingly that she would continue quote unquote testing
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: her powers. Have a listen.
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: I'm here to do the right thing to keep Australians
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: safe online, to use the powers that I have, and
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: in fact test the powers that I have.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Sophie. Two things about her comments there. Who asked her
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to protect us? I didn't need her to protect me.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you did. And secondly, what does
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: she mean by it's her role to test her powers?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I don't like the sound of that, do you well.
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: I can only go on what she's saying on face value, James,
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: but obviously this was a real loss for her that
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: this case with Elon Musk has gone against what she
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: was trying to achieve to have that graphic video which
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: I saw online. I'm sure many of our viewers, I'm
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: sure you saw, James, that graphic content. And I think
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: this is a slippery slope. Once you start picking and
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: pulling things off the Internet, then it comes down to
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: who decides who sits in a room and determines okay,
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: this comes off, this stays on, and that is a
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: dangerous road we're going down, and particularly when sometimes it
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: involves activism and people removing content because it's due to
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: their ideological beliefs.
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: James, all right.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Onto the ABC. Almost one hundred ABC staff have been
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: sexually harassed at work, and a further one hundred and
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: eighty six employees claim to have been bullied. It's according
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to a confidential survey of the ABC's news division, Sophie
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: concerning just talk us through the details.
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: That's right, James.
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: So the ABC did a report last year, or a
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: survey of staff which they could take part in if
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: they wish. About eight hundred. I think what took part
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: in this survey. I got leaked details of it today
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: showing that sexual harassment and bullying is quite prominent in
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: the ABC, with hundreds of people making complaints of allegations.
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: May I say, and again this is a problem for
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: another media outlet. We obviously had the issues with nine
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: Network and the scandals surrounding the exit of news boss
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: Darren Wick and allegations of bullying, harassment and so forth
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: at the nine network. Well now it's gripping the ABC
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: and the managing director David Anderson has come out today
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: and basically said to staff there needs to be cultural change.
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: Now we know the ABC love ticking many boxes, whether.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: It's diversity or so forth.
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: But perhaps they need to look in their workplaces because
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: it doesn't sound like things are oh so great there
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: if they have a lot of these claims of allegations
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: of bullying and sexual harassment.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: James Now News Corp Australasia Executive Chairman Michael Miller, he's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: put tech giants on notice at the National Press Club today,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: slamming them for monetizing misery and for being a law
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: unto themselves. Here's some of what he had to say.
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: Because on social media, bad behavior is good for business.
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: The social media giants, they profit from evil videos, they
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: profit from bullying, they profit from online con artists, they
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: profit from glamorizing eating disorders. In the words of a
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: British father who, like Wayne, lost their child to suicide,
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: they monetize misery.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Sophie, I'm pretty sure most of us would agree with that.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: What did Michael Miller suggest should happen.
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: Well, he's basically put forward a social license, you know,
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: layout of what he believes should happen with social media
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: outlets in Australia. Now, there was a very good speech
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: by him today at the National Press Club. One of
• 31:12
  Speaker 10: the things he did suggest which will point out to
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: the viewers. Which really caught my eye was he suggested
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: that there should be complaints lines for social media outlets.
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: So if something goes down on Facebook, James, or X
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: or wherever, and it could be involving you're a family member,
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: how on earth do you get content removed or asked
• 31:33
  Speaker 10: for content to be taken down or action to be
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: taken if something is highly offensive or defamatory to you.
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: It's very difficult to do it with these giant social
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: media behemoths. So he pointed out that avenue, which I
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: thought was very good, and also that some money from
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: these tech giants should go into mental health, which I
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: think many people will welcome.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Of course, the other issue currently before in this whole
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: arena is Facebook's or Meta's refusal to pay for news.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Did he speak about that.
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: He did speak about that, James, And that is very
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: important because we know that these social media giants use
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: our news content to draw people into their platforms and
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: then they've said stuff that we're not going to pay
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: for it. And this is what the whole issue has
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: been with some of the biggest news outlets in Australia
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: and very problematic for everyone because it just becomes a
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: whole platform of miss and disinformation fed in by who
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: knows what on these platforms. So he did raise that issue,
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: which is still ongoing, mind you, with some of the
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: biggest media outlets in the country, including News Corporation.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Well, Sophie Ellsworth, appreciate you updating us on all things media.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your time tonight. We're going to go to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a break, but stick around because coming up anti Semitism
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: swamping at universities. Well now one of the country's oldest
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: institutions is facing a class action. Plus Anthony Elbanesi locked
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: out of his own electorate as pro Palestinian protesters take
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: over all of that coming up in a moment. The
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister, Anthony Albanesi and Peter Dutton united today in
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Parliament to slam pro Palestinian protesters for attacking the electorate
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: officers of government MPs, and they accused the Greens of
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: stirring up the protesters. Joining me is Executive Council of
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Australian Jury co CEO Alex Rivchen. Alex, thanks for joining me.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you now that these protests are
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: right on Elbanesi's doorstep, do you think you'll pay more attention.
• 33:46
  Speaker 12: Well, clearly he's been riled by what's been occurring at
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: his elected office and the electric officers of many of
• 33:52
  Speaker 12: his colleagues. And I think we're in a positive place
• 33:55
  Speaker 12: right now, perhaps for the first time in eight months,
• 33:57
  Speaker 12: where you have clear unity between the and the government
• 34:02
  Speaker 12: as to the menace that the Greens pose, the danger
• 34:05
  Speaker 12: that they pose to social cohesion, the fact that they've
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: been inciting openly many of these violent protests that are
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: taking place, the encampments on university campuses which are making
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: life health for Jewish students and academics. All these things
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: we've been calling out for the past eight months. But
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: now it's a good thing that the government has caught
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: up and that they've called it out as well.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, as you say, both Albanesi and Dutton condemned
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the role of the Greens. Have listened to Adam Bant's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: response in Parliament today.
• 34:32
  Speaker 13: I will not be lectured to about peace and nonviolence
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: by people who back the invasion of Gaza.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Children are dying.
• 34:45
  Speaker 13: Children are dying because the ESLIAMI has engineered a fine
• 34:50
  Speaker 13: and instead of talking about the victims of our own
• 34:53
  Speaker 13: minister wants to make it about himself.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's a lot going on there. I mean, firstly,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: he's channeling a bit of Julia Gillard with his I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: will not be lectured about misogyny. I will not be
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: lectured about peace from you lot. And then he goes
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: on to not condemn the protesters who have I mean,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister hasn't been able to go to his
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: own office, we found out today since January because of
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: threats and protesters, we had other government officers covered in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: red paint, et cetera, et cetera. It shouldn't be too
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: hard for the leader of the Greens to simply say
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: it's not on, it's not Australian, it must stop. But
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: instead he's got to turn it on its head and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: make it all about genocide in Gaza.
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: Well, Julia Gillard is an honorable person, but Adam Bant,
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: I think, has shown himself to be far from that.
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: And this is a man who in the last week
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: or so was ass point blank is hamas a terrorist
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: organization and he couldn't bring himself to say overtly and clearly, yes,
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: our a terist organization. This is a man who has
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: no credibility to speak on this issue. Who has taken
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: every opportunity in the past eight months to buy to
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: spread this information which you did like that, you know,
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: with this lie that as well as engineering or famine,
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: it's a horrible libel and it's a sort of thing
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: that inflames tension and rips apart our social cohesion.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: So Adam Bandt.
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: Really needs to have a good look at himself and
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: what he supposedly stands for. Because the Greens have always
• 36:17
  Speaker 12: told us that a party of progressive rights, of human
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: rights and so forth, but clearly Jewish rights don't fit
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: in within that rubric.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the Greens were about, you know, saving
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: eucalyptus trees and koalas. But how wrong was I? Incidentally,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: any chance of a hung parliament where the Labor government
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: have to deal with the Greens, that certainly seems shot now,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: or you would at least hope. So so maybe that's
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: one of the good things that comes out of this.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Let me talk about universities because right across the country
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: they've been swamped by anti semitism. As pro Palestinian protesters
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: continue their encampments. Now Jewish students have been harassed, many
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: have stopped going to class. Full Stop Sky News exclusively
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: revealed that there are now express of interest being sought
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: from academics and students. These are Jewish academics and students
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: to join a prospective lawsuit against Sydney University for alleged
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: anti semitism following the October seven attacks. Alex, how much
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: interest is there in this lawsuit? And Gie, it's a
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: sad day when it's come to this.
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: There'll be no lack of individuals who have terrible stories
• 37:25
  Speaker 12: to tell, who have been brutalized and harassed and intimidated.
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: I hear all the time from Jewish students at Sydney
• 37:31
  Speaker 12: University in particular, but other campuses are around the country
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: who go to university to participate in social life, to study,
• 37:39
  Speaker 12: to advance their lives and their careers, and they're being
• 37:42
  Speaker 12: bullied and harassed. They're seeing a lecture theater and in
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: storm protesters and start haraying them. I mean, their right
• 37:49
  Speaker 12: to enjoy public spaces and to study is being violated,
• 37:52
  Speaker 12: and the university is showing greater concern for the supposed
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: rights of these vicious protesters than for students academics. And
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: it is really shameful that it's come to this that
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: people have to take matters into their own hands, undergo
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: the cost and the emotional toll of legal action simply
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: because the universities won't enforce their own policies and laws.
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: I mean, that is a crying shame. You have a
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: situation where, for example, in contrast, at the University of Florida,
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: when an encampment popped up there, the university administration said,
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: this is not a daycare. These students must go and
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: they will remove forcibly. And I was then of the matter.
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: But here we see these pathetic attempts to negotiate, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: as a result of that, it's setting a clear signal
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: that anti Semitism is a permissible form of hatred. You
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: now have academics at the same university openly teaching their
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: students that the mass rates of October seven never happened,
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: that they are a concoction by this joan government working
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  Speaker 12: league with the media. So this is what's going on,
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  Speaker 12: and the fact that legal action is necessary. I hope
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  Speaker 12: it brings shame to the university and forces them to
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  Speaker 12: really reconsider the part they're on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean you're quite right. Last week, Mark Scott,
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  Speaker 1: the Vice chancellor at Sydney University. He made an offer
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  Speaker 1: to the protesters, would you accept this in return for
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: closing down the camp, and they immediately rejected it, and
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  Speaker 1: so this week he's made another offer. I can't believe
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  Speaker 1: they're negotiating with these young people. They're students, not the
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  Speaker 1: people running the place. Just tell them either study or go.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: But anyway, the madness continues. Alex Rifchin, thanks so much
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  Speaker 1: for your time. Well after the break, a shaky start,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: a milk shaky start actually for Nigel Farage on the
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: campaign trail. We'll show you what happened, plus the new
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: plan to keep Australia from going cashlests, all of that
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: with my panel in just a moment. Well, gentle, Jesus
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: meek and mild no more. The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Anthony Fisher, has warned the church may play hardball if
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: religious freedoms are stripped away by the Albanese government. Archbishop
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  Speaker 1: Fisher said the church would consider closing oney seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty schools across Australia if we're told we're not
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  Speaker 1: allowed to take religion into account when we employ people
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  Speaker 1: according to their ethos of our schools, which is quite
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: the push at the moment. Joining me is Tonight's panels
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  Speaker 1: Sky News host and my sparring partner on the Late Debate,
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Bond and Sky News contributor Evelyn Ray. Caleb, the
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Catholic system currently caters for eight hundred thousand students. Now
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: we know there's this push by the government to restrict
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the ability of faith based schools to select the staff
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: they want. The threat to shut down schools is that's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: quite a threat.
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  Speaker 6: It is quite a threat. I suspected somewhat of an
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  Speaker 6: idle threat. I mean, look, it would be a brave movers.
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  Speaker 6: Sir Humphrey Appleby used to say to just get rid
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  Speaker 6: of schools the service as you say, eight hundred thousand students.
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  Speaker 6: But if you were to remove those schools, it would
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: be ultimately detrimental to the entire education system, at least
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: the public education system, because of course these kids would
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: need to find somewhere to go. And yes, the federal
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: government gives money to private schools, including Catholic schools, but
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: by investing that money, it reduces the amount it needs
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: to spend elsewhere. In terms of the money it would
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: need to spend in the public system. If all those
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: kids came in, it is more so. Yes, Catholic schools,
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: private schools, whatever they do, get government money, but ultimately
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: it saves the government money to prop those schools up.
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  Speaker 6: You don't want to deliver any kind of threat to
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: the private schooling system because it would just put more
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: pressure on the government. But as I've said many times before,
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: there's no need for any of these religious discrimination laws.
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  Speaker 11: You do not have a law.
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  Speaker 6: There's no situation where you can and cannot hire someone
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  Speaker 6: on the basis of religion or anything else until you
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: create a law that says otherwise. If you want religious freedom,
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: and that's supposedly what all this is meant to achieve,
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: don't create laws. You just let people have freedom. Freedom
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: exists in and of itself. It's not created through laws.
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  Speaker 6: And anytime you create a law, it puts someone else's
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: freedom over another person's. And that's exactly the problem we
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: find ourselves in here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to pick you up color, But it
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: has happened once. In nineteen sixty one, Catholic schools closed
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: down over funding issues, and those funding issues were very
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: quickly resolved because politicians evelin. They might not understand faith,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: but they understand numbers. And Anthony Fisher seems to be
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: very aware of that. But why this push from labor
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: to curtail the rights of faith based schools in the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: first place.
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  Speaker 14: Look, they do lots of things under the guise of
• 42:44
  Speaker 14: tolerance and under the guise of acceptance.
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: But really what it is is control.
• 42:49
  Speaker 14: They like to control things, and you know, it is
• 42:51
  Speaker 14: a big threat against their agenda. And you have independent
• 42:54
  Speaker 14: schools who aren't indoctrinating their students.
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  Speaker 11: For their work agenda.
• 42:58
  Speaker 14: I mean, one of the biggest threat to tyranny is
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: a group of people who pledge their allegiance to something
• 43:03
  Speaker 14: greater than the state. And I think private schools are
• 43:07
  Speaker 14: a great forum and a great playground, I guess you
• 43:10
  Speaker 14: could say for creating independent thinkers who at least have
• 43:14
  Speaker 14: the option to be free from this woke agenda. And
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: I think that's part of the big push. But like
• 43:20
  Speaker 14: you said, James, I think it was in Golben there
• 43:23
  Speaker 14: were only six schools that decided to close down, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 14: because of that, there were two thousand students that were
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: left basically schoolless.
• 43:32
  Speaker 11: They didn't have anywhere to go, and there were only
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: six hundred and.
• 43:35
  Speaker 14: Forty spots available in the public school system in the area,
• 43:39
  Speaker 14: so very very quickly, the government obviously towed the line
• 43:44
  Speaker 14: and thought, well, I better actually not put this burden
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: on the public system. And that's all that it takes.
• 43:49
  Speaker 14: It just takes a group of people strong in their
• 43:51
  Speaker 14: convictions and strong with what they believe to be right
• 43:55
  Speaker 14: and true, and it's actually incredibly powerful. Look what happened
• 43:58
  Speaker 14: to bud Light in America. There was a group of
• 44:00
  Speaker 14: guys that said, I'm not going to tolerate this, and
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: within a week I think Budla lost so much money.
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: And I guess the same principle applies to this. If
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: there are people with strong enough convictions, things can happen.
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  Speaker 11: Politicians have to listen. The burden on.
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: The public health, the public education system would be too great.
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: If all of these Christian and Catholic and private schools
• 44:21
  Speaker 14: decided to stand together all right.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: In an effort to keep Australia from becoming a cashless society,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: businesses refusing to accept cash as a form of payment
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: could face massive fines twenty five thousand dollars fines. This
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: is under a plan proposed by independent MPs Caleb good
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: idea find companies that won't accept cash.
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  Speaker 6: Of course it's a great idea. God, you'd have to
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: be a dunce to think it wasn't a good idea.
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: But of course you're not going to get support out
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: of the government from this. AREU, the Independence Diary, Bob
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: Catter etc. Are raising this to make a point, and
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: the point will be made, but of course it won't
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: get up because we're hurtling very fast towards the care
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: society that the government and the big banks want because
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: the data, the information, and then ultimately the control that
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: they can exercise from that data is extremely valuable. I mean,
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: your bank knows you better than you know yourself. In
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: many cases, little habits that you don't even recognize, the
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: banks know very well because you go to the same
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: place every Wednesday at roughly two pm and you buy
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: these products and they know that right. They know absolutely
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: everything about you. And of course if you want to
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: hand over all that data, that is your business. But
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: cash is legal tender, and I cannot see why a
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: business should be able to refuse to accept legal tender.
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: If they won't take cash for a product or a service,
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: then they shouldn't be selling the product or service. Surely
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: it is your right or should be your right as
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: a consumer to choose the payment within the bounds of
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: what is legal, which could be a credit card or
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: a debit card or cash. You should have the option
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: to choose that. But we know why the government doesn't
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: want you to have that option.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Absolutely agree. Let's talk about policing, Evelyn. Public satisfaction and
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: confidence in Victoria Police has plummeted to its lowest levels
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: since surveys began. A recent survey asked Victorians if they
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: were satisfied with policing services. Only fifty eight percent of
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: people said they were, and the same figure fifty eight
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: percent agreed they had confidence in police. Now what's amazing
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: is Victoria Police had a target of reaching eighty percent
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: for satisfaction and eighty two percent for confidence. So this
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: is a big kick in the guts for Victorian police.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: You're a former officer to questions, I want to be
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: fairly quick on this. Are you surprised and how the
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: police win back the public's trust?
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely not surprised.
• 46:51
  Speaker 14: I mean Victoria was the most lockdown state not only
• 46:55
  Speaker 14: in our country but in the world, and not only
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: just in recent history, but in all of history and
• 47:00
  Speaker 14: the arm of that the people who made that happen
• 47:03
  Speaker 14: were the Victorian police. So absolutely no surprise is there.
• 47:06
  Speaker 14: How they win back the vote of the people, how
• 47:09
  Speaker 14: they win back the trust. Unfortunately it takes a lot
• 47:12
  Speaker 14: of time. It took a lot of time for Australian
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: police and public to have a good relationship, and unfortunately
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: when that severs, it's a very very long road ahead.
• 47:22
  Speaker 14: They've got a lot of work to do and I
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: can't see it happening anytime soon, all right.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Nigel Farage has of course started his campaign in the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: UK election. First day on the campaign trail wasn't exactly smooth.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: A woman tossed a milkshake at the Reform UK Party leader,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and when asked by reporters why she threw it, she
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: said I just felt like it. Now. Despite this, Farage
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: took the milkshake attack in his stride, posting this on
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: his social media about an hour later.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: My milkshake brings all the people to the.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Rally, Caleb. You have to laugh at yourself sometimes.
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  Speaker 6: Indeed, And this is what's so great about someone like
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: Nagel Farage and of course Donald Trump over in the
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: US is that they actually are human, and every time
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: they try to attack a Trump or a Farrage for
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: being human, it goes against them. All this has done
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: is given Farage more fuel. It makes him look better
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: and you know what, people love.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: It, Evelyn. In ten seconds, what did you think of
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Farage's handling of that? I mean I would have hated it,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: but he coped pretty well.
• 48:30
  Speaker 11: I mean ten out of ten, eleven out of ten.
• 48:32
  Speaker 14: He did a brilliant job, and like Caleb said, he
• 48:35
  Speaker 14: only looks better in the view of the public.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Now, very good, Well, Caleb and Evelyn, thanks for your time.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And that's it from me. I'll see
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: you tomorrow at seven o'clock. But don't go anywhere. He's
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Sharry Markson