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Episode 179 | "Blessings" · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Good morning, good night, good afternoon, good evening.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: Which part of the day is all you good?
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: What time of day is it?
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: It's Eclipse.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: What's the situation?
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: Are you still watching up in the sky?
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: I need to understand what you're working with here.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode 179 of the Quarry Shepard Podcast.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: This was a week of a lot of complaining.
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: I hear that I never remember the episode number, so I make sure I check the episode number before I start.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: I hear I'm playing too much music from long time, so I'll make sure I line up some music from long time.
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I will ever get up to date on that.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: I hear that they're discussing enough serious topics and I hear they're discussing too much serious topics within the same week.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: But the thing that I didn't hear, which I was looking forward to to hearing the most, is that the name of the episode was holiday land, because when people on holiday here, nobody don't take me on.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: I want to let you check my numbers right, check my numbers on youtube and all them thing right, and you'll notice that when it's had too much holiday in a week, or when people cheer on holidays or them on holidays, nobody does study me.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: So I'm watching carefully to see when holidays is.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: I really press record here before I realize this week have a next holiday again.
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know what this week is.
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: We had two set of Easter weekend holiday a spiritual baptism in the mixer and a Eid.
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: You see how true it is to what I was talking about last week.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: It's just what I was talking about last week.
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine?
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: In two weeks we have holiday for every variety of Trinidadian religion.
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: What's the religion on them?
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: Trinidadians, for every variety of person you can find in Trinidad and Tobago.
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: We have a holiday and we have another short week this week.
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: And I just want to let you know that, not because you're hearing this on a Tuesday morning mean that you will always hear this on a Tuesday morning.
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: I is the only man working in the short week on them.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: All the other podcasts are not on vacation, except me.
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, all right, and I feel like I just spent a million dollars.
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: Everybody watching me wearing a million colors.
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: You want to talk?
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: Trouble gas, can we not win?
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: You go Trouble gas, can I get in on you go Trouble gas, call your friends and then Trouble gas, don't stop to go.
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: Trouble gas Up on the deck.
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: Trouble gas, guys, I don't care what you say, cause right now I just want less and I don't really care less.
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: My girlfriend, she go get flex.
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: My family go send flex, but I don't care, I want less.
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: They say I'm moving breathless, but I don't really care less this year.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: I'm moving fearless.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: Tell them, call I don't really care less this year.
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: I'm moving fearless.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: Tell them, call me there.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: Tell them, call me there.
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the blame.
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the blame.
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: Tell them, call me there.
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: Tell them, call me there.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the blame, I'm going to take the blame Right now.
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: I just On a Tuesday, or listen on a Wednesday, or listen on a Tuesday, or listen on a Wednesday, or listen on a Thursday.
• 3:46
  Speaker 3: Every day is a holiday In this, dante, dante.
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: Holy week was good.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: Everybody had a good weekend.
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: Only worked four days last week, four days the week before that, four days this week is a two by two.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: So Wednesday is a weekend.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: I would like to say happy eid to all my muslim brothers and sisters.
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: I will not do like the police lady you know, I mean police lady make one mistake.
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: It's 10, 15 years now she make that mistake and this, that meme, coming up again on wednesday.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: So happy eid for everybody who's celebrating eating thing.
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: And just a special salute to a special place to me.
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: I have a place named vanilla bean cafe.
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I know I like a cafe and this is for me, maria's with much better food and much better coffee and uh, service about the same.
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, but it's a little hard to get to up in the back of canoopia.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: But there's my spot, there's my spot, there's my spot vanilla bean and it's run by muslim people.
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: I know they celebrate in it.
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: I saw that they had some special openings during the course of the week from, I want to say, like 7 to 10 pm.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong about this, but my assumption was that they open at night so the brothers and sisters could come and break fast by them.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: If I'm wrong about that, I'm sorry, but I'm assuming that and I find it was a little unique and an innovative idea.
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: I like the little cafe too.
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: If I had to invest in a business, that's something I want to do.
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: You know I was.
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: I was reading a story about Adams last week.
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: Right, I'll read this story about Adam from Adams bagels Again, one of my favorite spots is a cafe right and leave in New York.
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: Your father asked him basically, hey, what does he like?
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: And he say he like bagels.
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: And then that turned into a story.
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: That's last, uh, 20 years, how much he has been in business.
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: Now adams is consistently one of the best cafes they have.
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: One of the things I admire about adams, other than just the um, the food and the ambience and the environment, right, adams only needs some more plug on each table, right.
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: But what I admire about adams a lot is that adams bakery or bagelry what was the right thing for it?
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: Whatever the name is, they seem to have retained the same staff for a long, long time, and I'm not talking about management and senior people or anything like that, I'm talking about wait staff and baristas and uh, pastry people and the people who's doing the bread side, where it's called the bakers.
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: They seem to have retained their staff for many, many, many years.
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: Not just that, you're seeing the people who wait, it's called waiting tables.
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: You're seeing them working there and they're happy, they're showing it.
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: And when they come back they say hey, how you going Long time?
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: No see, because when I moved down saw something.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: See, because when I moved down south and thing of course I and adams as much as appointed us there every day doing work, and they say a long time means here, we have your table, here for you, only one table, have a plug inside.
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: If you know adams, they know it right.
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: So they say we have your table free and you know, I made it very, very hospitable and friendly and family environment and you would see him in the middle of the restaurant every day.
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: Sometime they make something.
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: They just bring it by your table.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: You say I, I bring this for you to try.
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know me from a kind of paint.
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: I'm always in your restaurant but it seems as though whoever in your restaurant while he's around, he's trying to greet and talk, to make himself available.
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: I saw on their Instagram that they had a spinning wheel thing for something the other day and he himself was interacting with the customers there, giving them feedback, getting feedback from them Just a personable guy, and feedback, getting feedback from them Just a personable guy and it seems as though his family comes and eats with him.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: I want to say, like, on a daily basis I know they all say like 1%, come and support each other, wink, wink.
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: You should try it right.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: Support your friends in business, right?
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: In other words, listen to your friends' podcast, even during the holidays.
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 7:17
  Speaker 1: Don't have the numbers looking scary.
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: When the numbers looking scary like that, in case you know youtube, don't recommend it to nobody else, right?
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: So go back and listen and like and share and subscribe, right, fair, friends.
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he have this environment that he built there.
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: That is, you know, very business-like but very, very family-like too, and it's something that I always admire.
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: I always admire, I like the idea of building a business where staff could find you know, there's talk about self-actualization.
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: I wish everybody who could work by us could find their own purpose in life and fulfill their dreams and them things with us or leave and do much better and still see them and they're doing great.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: Salute to my boy, kelly.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: Kelly's an example of that right.
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: Salute to Chef by Chef, please.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: And grilled peppers, it's grilled peppers.
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: I always.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: And grilled peppers, it's grilled peppers.
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: I've always had a room with those red pepper.
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: No grilled peppers, I'll get right one day.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: Kelly, I say you know a lot to say, right that as joyful as that was, seeing that, uh, seeing adam in the news last week talking about his journey and so on, which I feel like more.
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: I hope more local businesses do and I hope places like lock jack graduate school of business and ue who teach in business degrees, and utt who do in business degrees as well, along with cital city has all the other colleges that I wish that these schools put more local business people's stories into their academics, like I suppose it had to be written and researched and somebody had to present a paper or a book on them, right.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: So I'm not putting any blame on the schools themselves, but I feel like a bigger part of the school curriculum.
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: I tell you, hey, this place is hot enough.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: There's no need to sort all this out, because I know it wasn't here to be so hot the way TNTEC is rolling here.
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: I haven't had a job with TNTK in a while but I'm air-conditioned and dry right through now.
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: Afraid TNTK the way they're going.
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if they could include more stories about the local business people, anything so that we could see people who look just like us doing business, and not just me and the 1% thing, but I'm not just, you know me only one percent thing.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: But I'm not just saying the sabgers and the abuza, the ants and macallan, the masses and them of the country, so we have several businesses that that that pull themselves all the way up.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: I want to say, like geo designs is a guy I admire on instagram all the time he designing and selling clothes, shoes, everything himself.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: I, I like, I like, I like what they're doing vanilla bean.
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: I like what they're doing as a, as a restaurant.
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: That seems, you know, very much a family environment and rooted in their religion, and so I like that a lot.
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: I like apple white and them fellas down in south, you know, I mean who do eat it, eat it, turn out from a street side.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: This is his dream, you know a street side burger and chicken and thing where you call that cut and they had a good source to somebody who now is a fabric of san fernando business, you know, I mean at least, and so on.
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: So I like to see things like that and I like those types of initiatives as stories, because if you're studying and you're doing an mba, it can't be that you do an an MBA and all we talk about for the whole MBA is Amazon and Facebook and Apple and all these things.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: These people good too.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: But we have good stories here, people who might be more relatable to us and might inspire people who do master's degrees or just hear the stories at any level really To not just get great jobs and look for CEO positions, like MBAs tend to do, but to take their own dollar and try to turn it into $2 and $3 and start their own ventures.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: So see that more as a viable option.
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: But, all that being said, I feel like we have a general contempt for businesses here.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: No matter how family-oriented and how much solutions the business providing in the country, it seems as though we don't like business and we do not like business people.
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: We like you when you're struggling, you see, when you're not trying to come out with something and you open my bar and the bar empty like hell and it's we alone coming to support you and thing.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: We like that, you know, I mean.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: And we like when you have a fire sale, like.
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: There's a place I used to follow on instagram called time gourmet.
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: It was like a baby peppercorns and they had real gourmet items and unique stuff and I saw them having a fire uh well, closing down sale basically, and all the um, all the items they had was way, way, this or deep, deep discount.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: We like them again then, you know I mean, but somehow, as the business starts to grow, we start to have contempt for the people and the general sentiment you get is that, no matter what happened to that business person or what, what they do, them are more the money this guy are.
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: For some reason, them are money.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: They are money, you know, I mean.
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: It's a.
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: Them are real money we talk about.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: It's like if we can't handle money too.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean we have ideas and we have.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: We had skills, we had things that we could sell and we have.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean we see ourselves.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if we see in ourselves as less or we see people who run in our business are so much more or so much smarter.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: I always remember my father telling me boy, them fellas are no smarter than me.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: You know, he always used to tell me that in business I'm not in school and thing when we think and I frightened and I timid or you know what I mean we're going after a deal and I worried he was just boy, them fellas are no smarter than me.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: You know them doing the same thing we're doing.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: You know several people who run in businesses who don't have no degree, who they're way less qualified than you.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: They may go, they may go through all that sort of university and school and all them sort of thing and they, they get great.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: They had a skill on themselves.
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: So look at my boy damien.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: Right, don't talk about damien here.
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: Enough.
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: Should I be calling people whole name?
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: I get worried about that this week too.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: You know so little boy, damien.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: His name is in a row right.
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: He is somebody who I take the skill that he have.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: In other words, he's a man who used to draw, he used to paint and one thing he's always like a worker.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: He's a fellow who used to work hard, from since I know myself, back in the day, and he take that and build that into several ventures over the years and now he has a graphic house that is a formidable competitor in signage in Trinidad and Tobago.
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing I admire.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: I like to be around that.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: I just want to hear about him, like where you do, how you going now, you know, I'm just glad to see what he achieved.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: He didn't let nobody come to tell him about who are the grand, who are master, what page they are, he don't care.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: He figured out how to do something.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: He figured out how to make it for 650.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean I salute that all the time and I'm not.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: I don't understand where somebody who do what he was able to do for himself and his family and the generations to come could be seen as anything but extremely positive and be lauded as somebody who, who is a genius, a legend, you know, I mean who could come to another thing.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: My father always tell me the person who get the first degree, the man who give them the degree they know degree, the man who issued the first degree, was a doer.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: He figured it out.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: So somebody like damien could go to schools like lockjack and talk about his journey and inspire people and tell them you know, I mean, he know business better than anybody else who's studying business and never run a business.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: But somehow we, somewhere along the way, when people started, get the benefit of the business or the spoils of the business, or the name or the money or whatever the thing is, we start to dislike them and I have not seen a greater example of that this week than what I saw with hsm motors.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if all of you are following hsm marketing or hsm motors this week.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: So the backstory is that there's a huge fire early in the morning you come and you see what was that?
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Um, that was after the easter weekend, right a day late last week.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Early in the morning the first thing you do when you start to scroll instagram is see cars on fire on hsm combo one set of cars on fire and men running in to try to save one car, two car and them kind of thing.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: And the.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: The immediate thing I felt there when I saw that was pain, pain.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: I say oh god, nah, boy, that not easy.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: And I would stupidly assume that that is what everybody else would have feel too.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Because if you had a business whether it's signage is a chef by chef, please, and you're cooking or whatever it is you have an agency, you have a, you have a, a, a a cafe like my friends and them in venezuela have a bar, you have a grocery Put yourself in somebody's shoes where you build this thing from scratch.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: You ain't born in money, you didn't born in money and life was easy for you, as if that mattered.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: But you take every single block and build what you had to build to get to.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: And in a moment, in a night, you come and you see your business on fire, because at that point in time you're not seeing one car or two car or three car and you're not counting what millions of dollars lost.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: And them things come after the fact, them things come after and I'll tell you about my experiences with this and all them things you talk about, about the money and the car and the insurer, all that stupidity, people talking, that has come after the fact, but it when I go on into the comments, I think, and everybody would be the same pain.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Now I will admit that there was a huge outpouring of support for them and I think it has a lot to do with who these people are.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I buy a car from hsm.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: No, stacy told him I buy the car about six years ago.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like I buy the car about two years ago.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Every time I say we buy that car a year before, she only reminded me how old it is.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Like she ready to go again.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: It's a really man in pain.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: A man is not a man to suffer in this world.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Adam and Eve they had it right.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: They had to pay for everything in this way, but we went to them to buy a car at the time.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: At the time I'm looking for a car and I can't buy the car brand new.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I can't afford to buy what I want brand new.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: And I come across their Instagram page and of course they're promoting heavy and I kind of like the vibe, the youth man.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: So salute to Mikel and I hope I wish you all the best for this period of transition that you're going through in business there, because that way you're going through there ain't easy.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: But that same youth man who built the instagram page and them things, assuming that his father was the people who started the business or his parents.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Well, it's confirmed.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Uh, I believe they said the chairman of the company or the founder, is his father and he is ceo.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: When I went there, michelle, and they were amazing in terms of the service and I want to I don't want to say him as a business owner or loaner Everybody was working there.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: The girls were working there.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: They make the thing easy to do.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: You could ask them about test driving.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: They say no, well, because it's foreign use, they don't do test drives and things.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: They could sit down and do things.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: They have one there that's licensed already.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: They could drive more wrong they.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: They tried to make it as easy as possible and I went through and I eventually took the car from them.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: It was a hybrid car and there was something about the car that I had an issue with.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Well, something to do with the radio or the USB or something I didn't like, right.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: So I took it to St James, of course, I carried by a man in St James who's doing the audio and them think them is the audio man.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: So I carried by him.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: This must be a couple weeks after I buy the car, right?
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I am famous for when I buy a car, I don't do nothing to the car but put gas right.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: But there's people crying, right, if it follows stacy and the mountain doing a car.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna carry the thing and while the guy trying to change out or put whatever usb, the car keep cutting off it, just staying and cutting off all the time.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So I call back hsm now and you know, and even whatever I do in there is my fault.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Right, I carried by somebody but he fell.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, I figure out what to do and I called back and they tell me well, just call mikhail.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I call mikhail mikhail call.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: He said this is, this is a saturday or sunday.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I call mikhail mikhail, say all right, just no, correct, give me a few minutes, I'm gonna call whoever his technician is.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Uh, within a few minutes the technician called me.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: He said well, all right, let the guy change this fuse.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I have them on a video call now sorting it out by the time I drive off.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I couldn't get whatever it was installed right.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: But by the time I drive off, mikael called back himself.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: He said you're good, everything working good, right, just bring it back now.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Let want to do, bring it here.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I have an audio man in kuva.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: We will try to get it sorted out and stuff which I did, and we get everything sorted out right.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I'ma fast forward beyond that, because anybody who now sell a car would be nice there, right, the man getting money in their pocket a couple years after buy the car, get a call.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Hi, we're calling from hsm.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: We have two fat tickets for you.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I say, well, fat tickets.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So because I start to think, well, up down fat, down down fat, what's that fat?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Fire fat.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: We have two FET tickets.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I said, well, fet tickets.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I started to think, uptown FET, downtown FET, vasa, fet, vaya.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Fet Brass FET, custom FET they say HSM FET.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I said HSM FET, this song is horrible.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: But they give me the two tickets.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I said, alright, I will collect it because me and Refuse are not free.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: They give me the two tickets.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I say, all right, I will collect it Because me and Refuse are nothing free.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: They give me the two tickets.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: So I sit down with my girl, stacy, and I say what are we going to do, girl?
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: She said boy, the tickets are them free.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's a cooler party.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: We're walking, we want liquor.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Anyway, let me go down and eat fat.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I get more than I.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I'm going to call it a ride share when I go in FET, because you know what I mean Brett, eliza and so on.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: But I tell myself as a.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: HSM, fet.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: We're going to accept this.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: In my mind this is one of them.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Corporate thing, with them coming to show, we kind the night there and get ready to buy mocha.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: When I go in there it's Patricia Roberts is performing.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: It's FET, fet, fet.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: On stage, people jamming the place tight.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I had to send for ice and I boxed up some friends.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I make some friends in the dance because some people have ice but they're not liquor.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: We are liquor but we are not ice and they're straight out right.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: We make friends fast.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to paint the picture for you that these are genuinely nice people.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes if, behind the facade of the business and the brand and maybe the money and the nice car and the nice house, I wonder if we get past them things to start seeing these people as not regular people, like not normal people with dreams and hopes and ambitions like you, who in love with somebody and want the best for the children and helping the community sometimes the money does make we start to villainize these people.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: These are nice people.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So it hurt my feel.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: When I see the thing and I see the burn up the cars, my immediate thought was extortion.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: My first thought was boy, somebody's trying to shake down hsm.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: But apparently some people, some people have it in their mind that businesses is burned down their own place for insurance purposes.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Listen, I want to put them thing to the rest now.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying they have people who have done things like this right, but I want, I want to be clear that to believe that this is a common practice or to believe that that is an easy practice or that is a profitable practice is ignorant.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: That you just don't know.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Because while the buildings, while the cars burning, people saying them car wasn't selling the burn it for insurance.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So what?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: What they do?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: They control and contain the fire to the exact specific cars that they want to collect insurance on and the cars in between other cars.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Why didn't line up all the cars in the front somewhere and burn them up, all the cars together that they couldn't sell?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And then what are they looking for?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Insurance for the building too?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Because you could have clearly see that if you know the building, you would know it getting damaged and from what you see, you could see it as well.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Some of them fire, some of them cars on fire right in front of the building.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: The building is glass, the heat that going inside it ain't take nothing for one little thing inside it to catch and then all hell break loose inside.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Thank god that didn't happen.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: They did say they released a statement and they say they are dealing with some damages and so on.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: But that idea that they would just burn it up and then like how much insurance will cover in people mind, if I bring in a car and let me say that car cost me 150, 000, a billion, and I selling it for 220, let me say I'm making a nice little 70 000 on it, which figure all you feel insurance paying you back?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: The 170 or the 150 or the 220?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Which one of the two you feel insurance going to cover back the profit you was going to make on that car?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: If you feel so you're special, you're not getting the 150, neither.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: All your costs for shipping and all them things dead, all that, all the costs for marketing that going to make on that car.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: If you feel so you're special, you're not getting the 115 either.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: All your costs for shipping and all them things dead, all that, all the costs for marketing that car storage opportunity it was opportunity cost, all that gone.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Insurance cannot pay for them.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Things.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Opportunity cost for a minute.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Right, for all the insurance, people be out man.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: In economy it's about opportunity cost has been the cost of the next best alternative foregone.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Right, you have a limited amount of space in your thing, you have a limited amount of resources, right.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So if you're going to store with five dollars and you have to buy a snack, you want to, you tell yourself, well, you could eat a zoomers or you could eat a cheese sticks.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Right, economics wisely discount the cost of the zoomers as the the three, four dollars you pay for the zoomers plus the opportunity cost of the cheese sticks, because when you take your money and you put it into the zoomers, you lost the opportunity to be able to buy the cheese sticks.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: It's like they don't matter in accounts and it don't matter in your real money.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Anything about matter in economics because it affect decision making.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Insurance cannot cover you for that because they cannot quantify that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: But every time you bring a vehicle let me say the whole yard could hold a hundred vehicles when you choose the hundred vehicles you bring, you have lost the opportunity to do another hundred or another, and you know what I mean.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: That opportunity in business is crucial.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Crucial because anybody who ever run a business before could tell you about the decisions they make with things that fly off the shelf versus the things that's stuck in the warehouse and a car sell at all.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: At some point they make a decision.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Some people seem to think that that decision is to just burn down the car and them, and, and, and, and, and and nearly burn your building by mistake, but the insurance ain't covering your profit anything.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: So when you were supposed to make a profit and that profit of 70 000 was supposed to go back into buying more cars, now to bring, to continue to generate your business, not just for you to make money but for you to sustain the business for a long period of time, and you see a business open for 10 and 20 and 30 and 100 years.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: You had to get over all these obstacles to make that thing, because the first day you're looking for a car and you're going by hsm and they tell you well, listen, we get any kind of, but we get anything about eight months.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: You don't want to hear that you're looking to go somewhere else and buy a car.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So just for your business to stay up, man run, you have to continue to reinvest, continue to put this thing out there, continue to keep your name up, continue to keep your stock levels up.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Continue to be reliable, keep your service center running.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Imagine, while them car getting firebombed, you had your car there servicing.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: You send your car to service in that place and it plays on fire.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Imagine one of them people car had catch a fire for the insurance.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: People Still talking to all of you.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: If one of them cars had catch on fire inadvertently there, that mean you owe that man for that car.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Now you have to try to your insurance.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: You have a long road to go down now with your insurance because that man who dropped his car there that had nothing to do with him and you had to make his hole again.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: What about a man who now buys?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: You know, when you buy a car and they license it and they wipe it down and they clean out the inside I don't tell you a story about mikhail too.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: You know I go on to collect the car.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Today it's the strangest thing I've seen.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I go on to collect the car, the car license.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I so glad to jump in something crispy and nice and at least drive it home, because paulus dicey don't take it over there when I reach you.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, get a chance to drive that again in life, right, but I so glad to drive and jump in the can't drive when I reached it, to pick up my car, the car license key in my hand and this man making video.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Don't any grunting, all right, bring it back.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: From this angle I say hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, give me my car.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I want to come out in here.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Why you do?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Why you?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Do them thing before I reach.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be saying I want to leave, you know, coming to do your video and your marketing.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Take my salute to him.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: But I was wondering, like, if I had bought my car and I you know what I mean I couldn't make it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: The night before I said, well, all right, I'll come tomorrow about midday, and then next thing, you know, it's burned down.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: My car burned down.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: What am I to do then?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Or what are they to do then?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I was happy to see that, uh, despite all the comments and all the nonsense that went, went on with it, uh, articles started come out.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Well, the the media eventually got to mikhail and his father and they spoke to them several times about, uh, how they felt about it and so on.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It was also sad to see sad to see I believe it was Mikkel saying they asked him in the end, given what happened.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: They asked him if he knew what was going on and he said no.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: He said you can't think of who would do this.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: And then they asked him, with everything that happened, if you're feeling unsafe, and he said yes, it's a sad thing, but again, despite and he say yes is a sad thing, but again, despite all the disparaging remarks and the comments about the nonsense and in the context of overwhelming support for them as well, I was happy that better sense prevailed and and it was clear to at least the media, presented it as extortion.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I did see article again from endorsing saying this is from uh kim k-marie, kim marie rodriguez endorsing cuva point lisa's.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Businesses are being targeted, businesses are in fear.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Businessmen in Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim Kim.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Sunday press briefing.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Yesterday Indara Singh said his constituency office has been visited by at least three businessmen who are afraid for their lives, referencing a fatal firebombing and the recent fire that caused a multi-million dollar losses at the Central Automotive Business.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: That's because I ain't going to the gym today.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: You know Central Athletic, never mind.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Hsm Marketing Co-Limited in Chase Village, shogunus gym today in the central athletic on my mind hsm marketing co limited in chase village, chaguanas indarsing said criminal acts have escalated within the region to a concerning level, he said, some business owners were being sent threats, photographs of their whereabouts and private information about themselves for extortion, in addition to the firebombing.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: In addition to the firebombing came a repel commanding from another and carried already.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: In addition to the firebombing, businessmen are now being sent photographs of their homes, their houses, their children where they go to school, the vehicles and the numbers where their wives and families go to do shopping or interact with their family members.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: It is a known fact now that extortion is part of the landscape of Coover Point, l Lisa and, by extension, the whole of Trinidad and Tobago.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you say by extension, the whole of Trinidad and Tobago, because I talk about plenty of business people in this episode, right, so I can call no name here, but I know somebody who was in business before, running a simple.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: When I say a simple business, it's no conglomerate or nothing, it's a man running a little business.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: And you man tell me that they pull up by him.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: You know I mean they pull up by him and tell him listen, you want protection.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: So this is the way, this thing.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: And you see me, I really shouldn't be talking about this thing, you know.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: You know I could delete this and start over.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But I hear that he's come by and he's asked you, you want protection?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Thing bad out here, you know you want protection.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: And he said, no, I good, I don't need your protection.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And then they do something.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Uh, what is something?
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Is embarrassing, saying this firebombing these days but it could be plenty different thing.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: It could be robbery, it could be vandalism this is not new.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: And then when they do the thing, they come back again and say the boss, you see me tell you you could have do that little protection.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: That that is.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I'd rather go and drive uber somewhere and I'm not.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I tell you no, I'm not going through none of them thing.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: It does the dicey parts of the thing that I cannot deal with.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to deal with that at all as somebody who me and born with no money.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I try, I study hard and I work hard and I try to figure some things out and I some things I figure out wrong like hell and I try to make it right.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And some things I figure out right like hell and still end up wrong is heavy trial and error.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I it have not.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Now I've figured out.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't set that money, put hide away nowhere and all them kind of thing.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So when they come, and they come and tell me that, as I, you two come from the same place where them come from, I, I, I, I, not, I not staying to deal with them, kind of thing.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I on my bike from the time, from the time I lay here, I in Uber, and again, I'm like a taxi conductor.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: In my Uber too, I'm making noise, I get.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: If you feel me, go out there and hustle I, I can't do it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: You're hearing, while all of this going on, that the fire service do have the equipment that they need to be able to fight the fire.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Uh, I saw the, the head of the service commission.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I believe it is.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Uh, I want to check it while I talk in here because I know I'm on this good wrong information from time to time the head of the fire service, it was the fire service commission, but I'm not seeing the article here.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: That's what I had to pull out already.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: But he was almost to tears, like sobbing up, talking about the, the, uh, the amount of neglect that fire officers facing and they don't have the right ppe to go into fires, and he basically saying that he has been telling his charges like protect yourself, safeguard yourself.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And you can see him.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: He he's saying it with a heavy heart, tears almost in the brother eye.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: And if this is, if this is the world we live in, right, I just want to get all the issues together right.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: The fire service don't have the right equipment.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: These men are risking their lives and dealing with smoke inhalation problems because one of the biggest things he said that they needed was a mask.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I want to say it's a gas mask, but something that prevents them from inhaling the smoke and they don't have enough of it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: But they're still running into buildings because, as he said, as he said they're looking at the duty as the most important thing.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: They don't have enough fire tenders.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Put that again against the backdrop.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Just look at the whole situation right Against the backdrop, that the water selling people who they're turning water in your pipe, wasser, telling you don't buy water because the water dangerous.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: When you call Wasser to get water, now you're 50-50 in line when you call them and you have to wait the whole time to be able to.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You call wasa to get water.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Now you're 50 50 in line when you call them and you had to wait the whole time to be able to get on to them to get free water.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: And then they tell you we'll get the free water tomorrow or the day after, or the friday, or the following wednesday or the next week, that hanukkah holiday, you'll get your water right.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: So you're paying for the water because it's water right and without you know, wives, wives talking to the men for a minute, right, we could have figured out about wives, wives and children.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Think of where the men getting the water from them water trucks, who's selling water for 50 cents a gallon is fire hydrant they're taking the water from, while everywhere else I know what, I know what I'm coming out the men unlocking fire hydrant right behind the big fire station, where that is, in Chagona.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: It's there, on the next side of Chagona.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: It's called Endeavor, currently Savannah Ruby.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: You know what it's called there, but you know the fire station.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I talk more on the western side of the highway when you're heading Well, the western side could be western when you're heading south or north right, but it's on that side.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: And they meant bust an open, but it's on that side.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And them men busted open fire hydrant, filled the truck with water and come back and sell it to him.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Think of all them three things together.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: You could get extort man go bundling your business.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: The public go say you do it for insurance and your money.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: The fire service go come, but they can't come fully and 100% because they tender this and they tank this and they not PPE, and so them putting themselves at risk because he tended this and the thing this and then I pp, and so then putting yourself at risk and then, when time to bust fire hydrant to go by water, the water could be in somebody water tank washing ways.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: It's a hell of a state we're in.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: It's a hell of a state we're in.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: So I just want to take a minute really to send as much strength and love and prayers and everything that you could send, positive energy and so on, to the people at hsm.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Who's these good people?
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Nice, nice people, nice, nice people.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: And um, uh, they said that they would be back up and running within a month.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And the way I, the way, the way I get an elbow from palestice here, you know, I mean I could be back the way it's looking, I could be back a little bit looking bad, looking bad in these parts.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Uh, I want to go on to talk about.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, another issue that I follow in here for a little bit of time.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: You see the security issues and things.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I always tell me I'm a breaks in certain topics.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: And it's true, I'm breaks in certain topics.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: This is why I salute to all other podcasters, because I was so glad when I have other people talking about things.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: So when them talk about it, I just say, good me, I had to talk about that, because some of these things very, very heavy and I feel like they could attract a level of attention that me enable with, and one of them is this ssa thing.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I keep touching on it all the time and not getting into it, right, but if you're not following the ssa fiasco, it come down to this, like everything else with religion in this country a pastor running anything, and the pastor and his son, his son bringing his father, his father's pastor, and then they bring the whole church and apparently everybody had arms and ammunition.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: And roly say them is supposed to have that, they didn't have the approval for that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And guy griffith say them supposed to have the approval, the government, and them don't know the law, and this thing going on and on and on.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: But the latest installment here says.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Heinz says don't blame me for SSA fiasco.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I have all kind of issues with politicians and but if I had to pick a politician that I absolutely adore and love, it would be Fitzgerald Ethelbert Hines.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Hines for Prime Minister, because Hines don't say nothing.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I never see a man use so much of words and so much length of words, yet to say nothing.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: When you listen good to what you say.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And he said nothing with conviction is a special skill a man saying nothing forcefully.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Everything he say with all that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: All that among two was no comment.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: But let me read what he said.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: National security minister fisher sion says while he is constitutionally responsible for the Strategic Services Agency, he is not to be blamed for the ongoing fiasco at the Spying Agency.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: That is nothing.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: He said nothing whatsoever.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: While I am responsible for the mortgage on my house, well, I am not responsible.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: That is not paid.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Sainz said he had known all that was happening.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: And if sahan said, had he known all that was happening at ssa, he would have acted much earlier than the government did to rectify the issues with the agency.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I want to repeat the nothingness for you because there's nothing Heinz said.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Had he known all that was happening, heinz, heinz.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: You come in the earlys when you're blank, demand the dollar.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Remember when you didn't wind down your window and you see the vagrant.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Wait, what does he say?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: He said the piper in him.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I saw the piper in him and I realized how hard work to do, and so on.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: You move from the social whatever it was, the pay national security.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, when I went to national security, you say you're not responsible for crime, you're not responsible for who run in your house and who do this, and you're not responsible, which at the time I agreed with.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know if all you remember you know.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I say listen, he right, the minister of national security not directly responsible for crime.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: The Minister of National Security is responsible for policy.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: But now you're saying you're not responsible for crime, you're not responsible for the air.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I feel you're just not responsible.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I feel you're irresponsible.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: You're irresponsible for nothing.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Hear what this man say.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Right, had I known what was happening at the SSA?
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Listen, this has something to do.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Some men bill for public sector.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: You know, because I would love for you to go and meet in any one of them, businesses.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I call right, I will you go by, adams, and say that had I known that the bagels was burning, I would have done something about it.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I would love for you to go and tell adam and them that you lost your work immediately here.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: The second part of this statement, right.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: He would have acted much earlier than the government did.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Heinz, you know where you're walking.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by he would have acted more than the government.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: You think government is you based on what I'm talking about?
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: You see, heinz made the comments at a media conference at the ministry's port of Spain headquarters yesterday, asked if he took responsibility for all that is now unfolding at the SSA.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Heinz said of course.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Of course, I am responsible to the cabinet, I am responsible to the parliament, I am responsible to the people, which is exactly why I'm here today.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: So responsibility under the constitution is quite clear, however, however.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: However, he said he was not taking any blame, as that was that and responsibility are two different things.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I say so.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I say so.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: He said he is not taking blame as that and responsibility are two different things, which he said he has tried to explain to the nation repeatedly.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Come on, heinz.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Heinz, you realize we as fellows, like I said in the beginning.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: We don't have no such a big degree, you, we don't have no such an education.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I just come here and catch hell to read.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Every single week I trying to read something I care I can't figure it out.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: To this day I can't figure it out.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: But you gotta explain it to me a few times because it's very, very difficult to understand that.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Um, let me keep reading.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Huh, he said blame is.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Let me try and understand this together.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: He said blame is one thing.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Responsibility in the constitutional sense is another, something I have tried to share with this nation on several occasions in the past.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: All right, share that with me again.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: You can't remember?
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I could not have known who the ssa was hiring.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I could not have known who the ssa was hiring, whether it was members of one church or next, whether it was members of one family or next.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I could not have known that.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, had I known, I would have stepped in long before now.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: That's what?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: One, two, three, four sentences worth nothing.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: We know better off from what you said.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: You say heinz added that if the media heard he was involved in the hirings in the ssa, that would have been an issue.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Right, if you're involved in the hirings in the ssa, that could be an issue.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: But if you're so uninvolved in anything that going on the ssa that you don't know who work in there you so you don't, we just check you.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: You have a checklist like are you doing anything?
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: And they come.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It's like these things could become a runaway horse if nobody ain't following it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: So what you're trying to tell me is that every government minister who have agencies under them, the agencies could run riot and catch the minister completely blindsided.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Because the way I look at it is this right, I'm responsible for paying my mortgage here.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It's hard, you know, especially when I have to buy water every two weeks.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: People want to travel.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: People start to tell me brand new car is old car.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: There's all kinds of problems I face in here, you know.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: So when I have to deal with them things.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: That is my responsibility.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I like hinds too, you know me.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I care who is to blame for what?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't care, I is my responsibility and I had to get it done.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So it's in my best interest now to monitor exactly what happened with my bank account when the mortgage time coming me responsible for every dollar people spending this house.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: People are doing things.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: But I had a monitor and say you see that there, leave that there because the thing coming up, if nobody else in this house is studying that, I study that because that's my responsibility, that's my work in my household.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: It is not enough for me to come back and say, well, if I was to look at the spending patterns of my wife and I was telling her Scotiabank wants to hear that, see, see, and then we want to hear this Fastest, if you feel them things and then we'll fly the fastest.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: You go find somebody who knows how to pay mortgage and them kind of thing.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Stepfather and all these kind of things.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Blended family, what is called the next thing, co-parent, is the fastest.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: You go see it happen crazy.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: If it's your responsibility, it's your responsibility, I with you.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: It don't matter who's to blame, but it's your responsibility.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: You had to look into these things.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: You can't be the last to find out anything.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Defending his colleague, minister of carry come affairs, dr amy wrong, who was in attendance, said heinz did not act prematurely or attempt to cover up any wrongdoings.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: So wait, heinz too busy he can't even check what's going on in the SSA, which is under his remit.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So, amory Brown, in foreign affairs you have no agency anything to deal with.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: How, because you supposed to be busy too, you can't be studying that how?
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: You know what Heinz doing and where he capable of doing, and where he do, prematurely or otherwise.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: You look like you know how fine others do.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: At a post cabinet media briefing last week, prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley also defended Heinz Nematos, saying that he could not be blamed for the hirings at the SSA.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: He said only when the information came to him and the National Security Council were they able to address the issue, adding that it was a case of human failings by members who had responsibility for running the agency Heinz maybe.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I should not let.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Rowler's answer fail Rowler's answer.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: At least Rollers says something right.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Mine's just talking sick Asking the hirings of the SSA needed to be looked at and given greater parliamentary oversight.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Hines said that much oversight already exists.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Let me read that again, because I probably read that wrong, because I probably read that wrong.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Asked if the hirings at the SSA need to be looked at and given greater parliamentary oversight, Meaning, like you know, maybe, if you could not have possibly known, you don't have the kind of oversight that you need because you need to know this, because look what we're looking bad on now.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: So we need to get greater oversight.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: He said no, that oversight already exists, but this may have presented a chance for greater scrutiny.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I was somebody who brightened me in all kind of mathematics and high science and things I was studying.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I want somebody to explain to me Do you have enough oversight?
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have enough oversight, but this must give me a chance for greater scrutiny.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I will explain them through statement.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: For me it's special.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: He said we learn as we go along.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: And yes, I say has been in existence for a very long time.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: We've never had this before.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Something has developed.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: So you all, so you will all learn from this, he said.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: You will all learn from this and you rearrange your affairs, increase the height of your fences to ensure that that which has popped up, which has happened, does not easily happen again.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Is this man responsible for Well, I'm not going to say responsible or to blame this man is in charge of the ministry that we look at to solve one of the biggest problems we have in this country as a whole.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: How does that answer directly when asked if you, if the ongoing investigation to the ssa operations mirrored that or was greater than when, rashmi ramnarain, a clerk at the security intelligence agency, which was replaced by the ssa, was appointed as ssa director and resigned within days in january of 2011 after heinz top?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Or when you build a fence and you put on defense posts and you run the thing and you think, and now you learn this this ssa was the same place where rishmi ramnerine, under earlier administration, was found to have very little qualification, certainly not aligned with the job and responsibility or blame that goes along with the job that she had.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: They find them, thing out, they make sure they she wasn't what there was a position that she had in the si, if I remember right, where it was already coming into question who this girl is and where she get these qualifications to be running there.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Because if you put somebody like me around among security professionals and I unqualified, I I will got.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: People will figure them out fast because what I talking is nonsense.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: But if there was always, it was already questions being raised.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: But when they move it from si now to ssa, all of a sudden the same rishmi ramnarain was the head of the thing.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: You know, because there are people here who have plenty better memory than me.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Was it that rishmi ramnarain had started going on that different name or something like that?
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Was there some kind of name change or some kind of situation where she went in on that middle name or something?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: You know, I can't remember, but it's so strange that just about 10, 10 years down the road or 15 years down the road, we're in the same situation now where this agency under a new name, posing the same set of problems, and then the same set of politicians now, because whoever was security minister back then is equivalent to fritz gerlains and rollers, and them now is the same them's.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: One like a lock lock, same like a lock lock.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: No difference to me they.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: They now see no where we should.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: We should check to see who these people look into this.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: A bit of offenses and all that.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Salute, salute, salute, salute, salute.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I really want to play this song, yeah, but I ain't sure if I play this song, if it go, um, I ain't sure if it goes.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Stay up on YouTube, to be honest.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Yo man.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Yo Open up man.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: What do you want man my?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: girl just caught me.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: You made her catch you.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know how I let this happen.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: But who I stopped in the?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: It was me.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: The song is it Wasn't Me.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: For those of you who know it, it's it Wasn't Me by Shaggy right, go and figure out how to listen, because if they pull down your YouTube, I do have time in this short week to go back and fix back.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: No video on them things.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: So we stick into the script as it was.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: But again, salute to Fitzgerald Hines, the SSA, the SIA, rishmi ram narain, pastor, holy pastor, name, pastor brong, absolutely everybody involved.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Thoughts and prayers for everybody involved.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: But this, this amalgamation of affairs, is not a good one for us as a whole.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I want more political thing to talk about before I run from this right I, I I had to ask myself what kind of clungs we really is in this country, like what kind of we, some special kind of fool in all of.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: We Fidget our lines, our responsibility and blame.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: But we had to take responsibility and blame for weself here Because some things we's accept in this country that completely unacceptable.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I come in into Shagonas the other day from south.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Anybody know when you're coming into Shagonas proper from south and you want to head to the east side, you want to head to the Landville side, you get the Landville Enterprise Montrose that side.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: You had to come down by KFC there on the junction and pass under the highway and make a run by John Street and pass under the how they call it under the highway and make a wrong, so by John Street and trash to the back or whatsoever.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Right, the amount of housing development they build in Shogun over the last, how much ever decades?
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Right, let me say the last two.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: The congestion in Dalil's zone there is crazy, according to Greg Junior Lee.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's crazy, that's crazy, bro, that has been crazy, right.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: And that highway, dong Bai, I want to say somewhere like want to be between Claxton Bay and Pointe-à-Pierre.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Since I was a child, I drive my father the land slipping there.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: You're frightened to drive there you?
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I mean that that has been so since forever.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: But because election is 2025, right, and we about midway through 2024, which means that they meant about the last budget to read is in september.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I talk about these fellows who in power now and fellas last budget to read in september, which is where, again, for the how long we independent, 50 something time.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: That mean about, if you divide that by five, that 10 general election we had and we had all kind of all kind of thing in between when man leave and man come out, really, and things.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: So, let me say, in the history or through the data, on the basis independence, let me say we had 15 general election.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: We had as much as that.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Let me give them 15 right, 15 times the men doing the same thing, both sides of the divide, along with the coalition and all them fellas doing the same thing, and we just eat up that because I'm talking to myself as being a fool and to blame and all them thing, because I come down that ramp the other day and I see the mark out and this person pick it now, like they're going to widen that little um, what's called, at a lay by or off ramp or whatever it is.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: It looking like they're going and widened.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: They have a whole um, a whole mall, a whole mall of vagrants coming up there, who?
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: One wheelchair, one man on crutches here, one foot.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: He looked like a, according to ian, and he looked like a spanish national.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I wonder if ian, I don't know, is a spanish national, but he looked like he ain't from here and you know, I mean they're applying the trade right next to the cars there, but it looked like they're gonna clear away there and, I guess, ease some of the congestion.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they could do about the part that passing under the highway, because it's looking like it's not much space to widen there or make a next lane there.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Also, when you're heading, when you're coming out of montrose side of shogunate and you want to head north, it have an awkward kind of drive.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: You have to make the where the traffic on coming to you and you had to kind of your light on amber but them light on green and you had to fight with that driver to reach across.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they plan to do about all them things, but you see now where they work, when and start there and they don't pick it and they're blocking it off and that kind of thing.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: And my first feeling is relief.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, thank God they finally go and do something about this.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, you're feeling good, you're telling yourself, all right, we finally going to get some approval.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: And I catch myself and say, but wait, why we can't govern like visibly govern and spread out the infrastructure projects over the five years, particularly roadworks?
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: You tend to find that every government come and go, any party in power coalition who on their own, who went by their self, who 17, 17 to one man had to join up almost to the number to be go training.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: That is the same thing where they save back some projects now as a marketing ploy down in the end of their tenure to say this is what we do for you.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I know humans are recency biased and government officials don't have it easy, politicians have it easy.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: That's what my trouble here all the time.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: But I find this a little ridiculous to know that this could be done.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: We have the budgets in place to do this, we have the wherewithal and the technology and the ideas and things to do this, but let me let them suffer for the four to the five years, three and a half years.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Let them hold that because we can't do this now and lost the election.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: So I say I say in it to say it seem as though, and it's a no seem in it.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: The reality is that politicians and with the party politics again, the benefits that we get from that, like paved roads and close to free health care, close to free education and any handouts, we get maternity grants and all these different things.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: The incidental, what they'd really focused on first and foremost is not the betterment of people and sustainability and economic growth.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Them really focused on re-election, right.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: So the reality is that if there's something that could get them re-elected, they will do that.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: And I think this is why I say we're stupid and we're foolish and we're taking licks and we used to blame and accept responsibility because we now must form ourselves into groups or, uh, into ways of behavior that we align our rewards with their reward.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: The voters are dangerous.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: It's a tricky thing not dangerous but tricky, because one of we alone can't really do much with our vote.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Right, our vote, the call.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Like I tell you, when I go and vote in st james, I like to vote for the independent so I could see my vote on tv.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Right, I want to see.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I like when you put here, I see pary shepherd, one vote by me.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I I just need one vote by the man who need the one vote, you know.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I mean because do you know who winning?
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: And so, it be a matter of fact, you know who winning in most of the constituencies in Trinidad and Tobago.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: So it's not the one vote, it's really groups, or let me talk about the social media people, the influencers, if you're seen as having a voice that could sway the vote of the people or sway people in one direction or another in terms of their favor about a party and its decision making.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Only then you could really get what you want, you know.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: In other words, the system is the system.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: The system's out for 50-odd years, or how much ever?
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: 60-something.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: How long are we independent?
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: 62 to 2024.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm a match-buyer.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: You know they're going to set me up every weekend.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Let me just do this on 2024 minus 1962.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: A man tell me last week God, I get 1828.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: 2024 minus wait, what's 1962?
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: 62 years of independence.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Right, I thought it was 50.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: We didn't just celebrate 50.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: A man tell me just now he say a math so bad he's, pull out a calculator and then still come up with crazy wrong numbers.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful, but for the amount of years we've been independent, for a long time, now and again it's the same song and dance for all them different times.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: If you could pull yourself together, control some vote like the influencers, pull yourself together and have a block of votes, that hey, this works for us and this is what we want.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: So let me say shogunate as a constituency have enough of a voice, or somebody, some individual or some group, have enough of a voice to bring people together to say that shogunate problems is these five things.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Number one traffic right.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Number two tongue and country approval is play too much games in that shogunate borough corporation.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Me know who they know, but too much games is played and shogunate looking like that.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: When you're going to the middle of shogunate I tell no way how wire me know where all them said a wire, going for shogunate wire, wire, wire, wire, wire.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: And then building code building on top of building.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: It's look like you could just hop from one building to the next one.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: You're across the grounds.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Major, they could start off from kfc in montrose and just jump from building to building to building and by the market.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: The way the buildings built, close together and haphazard.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Nobody, I know it's not an order in the city.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: The thing ain't looking nice, the pavement, all how.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: So if, as constituencies, we are groups that could come together and identify okay, these are at all more independent of could come together and identify okay, these are at all more independent of the politics huh and identify, okay, this is the problem, this is what we are, this is what we are fixing.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: We little community here, or we, you know, if you want to break it down to smaller communities like montrose or london villa enterprise, you know, I mean, there's smaller places and we, we pull, we vote.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: So it's how one man went and say here was he seen.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: We need to get these things done, and we don't need to get it done close to the election date, we need to get it done as soon as you get in power.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: And we could guarantee you that if you, if you come in power and you're not doing what it is, you're gonna have a rough time because we're behind you, we have a good voice.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: So we're on the media, we're on the socials.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: We're putting pressure on you from day one to start to do the thing.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's the only way we could really get to the point where we have some level of governance.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: That I mean they could still fight up and take blame on the major national issues, but at least at the level of local issues that we need fixed, we could start to see some headway into getting them fixed.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: But just my two cents right it.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Start to see some headwinds again and fix, but just my two cents, right, just my two cents.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I'm going to serve a damn clap for that.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: You know I'm going to clap me again.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Only want to talk about TNT.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Let me talk about TNT real quick.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Right, tnt looking to raise a bill.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Now, this is something that, um, this is something that probably have to be done.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Right on the other day I was driving into tungstice, you were saying you know little trend.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Now, they will never know ricin road.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: The same way, we know ricin road.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: And it's true.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: And when you look at what they see in ricin road, as is a whole different world, I hear they're gonna take the place where power gen was and build, um, a hotel is what they claim, and that going to come there eventually, which would be nice.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a nice little look for the city and that kind of thing.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: But for the people who grew up in my time, you all remember them towers as TNTEC towers.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Right, some of you listening might only remember PowerGen towers, but our whole corner was a TNTEC corner at a time.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: All the yellow trucks and the full works.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: It was that that.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: That's that I grew up, knowing there's tnt.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: A matter of fact, I might just still be calling it tnt all the way up to when they they were bought out.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I think the plant was bought out by power general.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: So if I was, if I was mistaken, but that move and you know when you see moves like those being made well, the main, the main driving factor is the no longer being a real, serious competitor in oil and gas when you had plenty oil and gas, something in your region, we could do a lot with subsidization of light bills and so on and that subsidy, just like the subsidy on petrol fuel for your car, that subsidy almost all of it off.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Now, right, I think diesel is still a little bit subsidized, but the complete subsidy was removed from premium gas, if I'm not mistaken, and maybe there's a small subsidized amount on super still, but I believe that diesel is still a little bit subsidized.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Most countries you go to diesel might be on par with premium fuel or even more expensive in some cases.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: But here we still have diesel pretty cheap and I guess you could convert your car into what is called compressed natural gas.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: But TNTEC now saying the current bi-monthly bill for the average residential household could more than double, increasing by 124% by 2028 if cabinet accepts the recommendations of the regulated industries commission and uh, and in its entirety, according to guardian media estimates.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: So the ric, uh is their role to regulate the uh, the utility, all the utility payments will fall under the ric right now, if I'm not, and they're basically telling us or giving us a heads up.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: This is how it's come, right, it's come as leaks and media stories that you look at.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: But the truth is that that comment how much of it coming and how much it's increasing by, and how they do it, because they're likely to increase that gradually over time and you start seeing your bill going up.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I I don't know about you, but this is me personally and very anecdotal.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I have no evidence to provide for this, something you know, I like.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I like to tell you all the time it's not researchers, research and conjecture and all them thing is that that.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: That is what it is.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I tell you about how I feel it.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like my build and going up already.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not feeling so my build and going up already.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Right, let me, let me put that out there.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: My next day is listening exactly my light build.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going up already.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Every cycle I find, like little by little, the money I'm paying in light bill looking like it creeping up.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: It creeping up easy, easier.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: They keep going and I would reason.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I keep saying I have no evidence to support my claim is that I don't know if it going up because I using more current or if it is it going up on its own.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: I just say night going up and I don't like it.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I had to do something.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I walk in wrongly house.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: You know when you're getting old.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: You know when you're getting old, you know when you're starting to become that person.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Because now I just walking behind people turning off air condition, I turn enough.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: What kind of light anything I see on.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, switch off.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: That you, you're using this room.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I want all of you sleep in the same room together.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want, I don't want to use no more air conditioner again.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Uh, largely because there was a time when I don't want to get it.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Should I get it amongst I shouldn't talk about that already amongst them, light bill.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: But let me say that it increased from the time I move into this house to now.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: It's already increased, starting to head towards 50 percent.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: No, I have, I have.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I have a part to play with that.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Because, well, hot water, uh, the dryer I don't know those people let's be drying here.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like this, just wash one piece of clothes at a time and then dry it when it done.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I ain't sure he's like, I don't put on the hammer here.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't let the hammer fall in here.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Let people know who in charge in this house.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: But my expectation is that you will start seeing a gradual increase in the rate and that rate uh will land somewhere around a hundred percent increase.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: They're talking about by 2026 or 2028 is the is the figure.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Uh, we will probably get here.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: We'll probably get to a hundred percent more and the way to put in a hundred percent increase is not for your bill to go from a thousand to two thousand dollars.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: It's probably to tell you that a light bill gonna come every month rather than every two months and it will come at the same amount.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: So if you're paying a 12 on g now or a 500 whatsoever is paying, you're probably gonna see a bill like that every month again.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I saw that for the first time in j Salute to Mr and Mrs Blake, who was my landlords at the time and realizing that I was a young man, extremely irresponsible and you know what I mean Like certain people, I couldn't, I wasn't keeping up with the bills.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: So I also was naive and I thought that everywhere in the world light bill used to come twice a month, bi-monthly, once every two months.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: So imagine my shock when they tell me.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: They tell me, you know, the sick already notice.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: You leave home and you leave home and you leave on a satellite and your water heater on and all them kind of thing.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I never take them on and say, nah, no problem, you know what I mean.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: I have company paying the bill.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I don't worry about that I will just sort out that when that time comes I live in like if I live in here because I think to myself well, hey, when we in in the office in trinidad, when we reach in office on our morning, we just turn on all the air conditioning, turn on all the light, we just go and if you go we come.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: So when somebody come during the day, they come in and the place cool.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: And when time to go in the evening, guys were huh.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: When I see the first bill, I said oh good, I couldn't believe what the first bill was and I ain't watching no set of bill and thing.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: I was like this bill real high and I paid and thing.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: But it was like wow, so now I started to switch off thing.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: I started to switch off water heater kettle.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Too much in the office we have our way.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Everybody passed by the kettle.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: We turn on the kettle and we're looking to make coffee and we could boy listen.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I started slow down on them thing, only to see our next bill come the next month for the same amount.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I thought they sent back the bill.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Now you know when you pay a bill after, the bill date is the same.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: You know you show it on the next bill that come.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I thought was something like that.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I said, well, I must pay it after you did this.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: And what?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Disconnected like hell.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Disconnected like hell.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Thank god for um, for mr and mrs blake and rosie marx and them at a landlord at home and a landlord at the office.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: We used to take good care of me.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Now I look back at it.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I was 26 years old, young, so they must be watching the use of my face and say, boy, let me just help this little boy because he clearly he don't know what is your reality, your life.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: He has all the responsibilities that life brings along with it.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: But, uh, that's something you had to brace yourself for because, just like I spoke about minimum wage increasing and the price of everything increasing electricity is one of those things once the price of current going up, prepare to pay more for everything in this country, everything going to follow with that right.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: And the earlier you get yourself, the earlier you get yourself ready for that, the better.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: And one of the ways to get yourself ready for that is do like with brothers and sisters in barbados and I see guyana taking a lot of initiative where that is concerned as well, to start to look into alternate sources of power like solar, where you have a high initial investment cost, right, so the initial investment is behind, but you're averaging down your cost of utility uh, your cost of the utility over time.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Barbados have a decent system where, like when you go to barbados, you find most of the houses have solar on them, right, or at least a solar water heater on top the house, and what they have is a system where you store current on your battery in your house, but you could sell back the current to the grid as well, so your unused current, you could get credit for that at the end of the month.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: So it's like a system where you're working with the government or you're working with the rest of the country to be able to supply power and make sure that you have power over time because, uh, to cut back on the amount of electricity you're using.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Think of it.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: There's going to be a serious lifestyle change for most of us.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: We're this place hot and we have air conditioning running right through.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: We have 25 chargers plugged in every week.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: You don't want to walk with chargers in the house.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: You put 25 chargers one in every plug in the house and you just plug in your phone.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Wherever you have a fridge, two sets of fridge clothes, washing and drying what dishwasher?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: And so on.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Anyway, let me stop, because I don't hear.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: No, they're starting to one percent it already.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: What are you gonna do?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: You're gonna talk about the one percent or we getting back into the culture thing?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about the one percent a little bit now I just feel uncomfortable, unless I have a little segment dealing with the one percent.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: You know, and trinidad express wrote an article I wanted to take a peep at here Because the story about Massey and Warner was one that continued to be interesting.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Wait, before I wait, I had a song lined up and I forget to play songs.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, people think they tell me so much about songs and them kind of thing.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I forget when I play TNT and have a little song song to play.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: This is a song that I like a lot and an artist that I like a lot, right, but I have him down as one of the more under underrated artists in the country and I mean he's one of the biggest but still one of the most underrated.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know if people was following the the war or the, the hip-hop beef between j cole and uh what?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: The next one named kendrick and drake and them.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Who's thinking about j cole?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, we have a few artists who, because they say j cole and kendrick and drake is a big tree in rap, right, but I don't know, I can't tell you a kendrick song or j cole, so I don't know none of them songs.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: It's like you could be top tier and still end up being underrated.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: And this is a man who I have as top tier and underrated and in the spirit of light bill, I want you to picture what life's going to be like when you light bill double but take in the song and soothe your pain.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: You say you got no money.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: So you say you're bankrupt.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: You cannot pay your bills, you cannot pay your rent.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: But that is a lie.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Everybody sing it out Party time to them.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Party time to them.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Party time, oh we could pay that any time Party time to them, party time to them, party time.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, every person has a megaphone.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Bill could wear it, k Bill could wear it.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Like Bill could wear it, we would pay that anytime, we'll be right back.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: I really love to party.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Party time today, party time today, party time.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: We could pay that any time Party time today To the great Maximus Don Remember.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Party time Like hot dog.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: All them bills could wait.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Once it's all fete, we could be alright.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Matter of fact, what you done in fete mode.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: I was going to talk about Massey and my boy, warner.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: How all I want to swing this.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: All I want, with Massey and Warner, we're going to Jamaica Carnival.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: There are some things to say about Jamaica Carnival.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: If Maximus Dancy party could wait, alright, let the party wait.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: I look at Warner's time at as he prepares to exit.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: This is from the 2nd of April from the Guardian.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: The writer of the article appears to want to remain unknown because I know the name here, but it says Gervais.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Warner said that when he assumed the role of Chief Executive Officer at Neyland-Massey-Columbia Marriott in 2009,.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: It was worse than a baptism by fire due to the untimely death of his predecessor.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: The global financial crisis and internal challenges facing the organization.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Warner was 44.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: The global financial crisis and internal challenges facing the organization One of us, 44 years old at the time.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Listen, I want you to understand this right.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: We still don't hear and talk about people and me, me, me.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: I still don't hear and talk about people and make joke about people and laugh.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: But I am 44 years old now, right, and I could tell you that if somebody come and tell me I am now the head of Massey, listen, listen, I mean I know that is too much for me, I don't I will be so frightened.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I take any work in them because when I hear these fellas package, I refuse any work, but I will be frightened like hell.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I cannot imagine at 44 years old assuming a position like that.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: One of at 44 years old assuming a position like that.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: One of those 44 years old at the time assumed control of the conglomerate following the passing of the then ceo, bernard dulal whiteway.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: It's a prostate cancer.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dulal whiteway is a famous name in business in trinidad.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Right, he was just a wonderful person but didn't go into too into much discussion about what his plan was and if and what I needed to do to succeed him.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: So when he passed away I kind of assumed the office at a very difficult time in the group.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: We had just done this major acquisition in barbados.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: There were a lot of complaints companies that were really really not performing well and we had to do major surgery with them and it was worse than a baptism by fire.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Warner made this statement last October as he sat down for a one-on-one interview with the co-author of New York Times bestseller Conscious Capitalism, raj Sisodia, during the 2023 Conscious Capitalism CEO Summit.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Warner explained that he joined the conglomerates in 2004 after leaving McKinsey Company because of the stress that traveling as a consultant had placed on his time with his children.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: He had established McKinsey and Company's office in Puerto Rico in 1993, returning to the region after spending some time working in the United States following completion of his undergraduate degree at University of Pennsylvania.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: All right, so Warner Warner Pedigree right, one of our pedigree, in case you didn't know, like University of Pennsylvania would be one of the top business schools or one of the top schools in the States as a whole, but definitely one of the top business schools, I believe.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Wharton Business School is at University of Pennsylvania.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: If you Google Wharton, wharton will be one of the top business schools in the world, still rated as one of the best mbas anywhere, and mckinsey and co is one of the biggest global business consultants in the world as well.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: So if he was a consultant with mckinsey setting up office for mckinsey in puerto rico which means he's probably bilingual and he had degrees from upenn he into something right.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: He's not my kind of 44-year-old who's just playing Quattro and making podcasts.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: While working and living in the United States with his wife, warner said he always felt a gravitational pull A gravitational pull to do something in the Caribbean region that helped make a difference.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: He credited this pull to both his parents.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: The McKenzie office was located in Puerto Rico, but Warner lived in Trinidad with his wife and children, which necessitated regular travel back and forth.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: I was doing that for two years and that's when I decided this was not good for my relationship.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Not that it was bad, but it was like I was an absent father.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: My daughter turned 10, and I was like I have seven more good years to be able to go to events to help her with homework.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: This isn't working.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: So I came back home for Christmas break and I told my partners guys, I'm going to be leaving the firm.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: One of the time.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: He left McKinsey six months after that.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: That's why I made the leap to what was called Neal and Massey at the time.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: One of the time he joined the conglomerate because of the strength of the organization and his admiration for Dulal Whiteway as a person.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I suppose when he come back here, he had his choice of job right, he could have pretty much go anywhere.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: He was a person I thought was very inspirational a caring man, someone everybody respected, well-loved, good business person, smart.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: His tenure the massive group.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Warner said his team had determined a higher purpose for part of the group, which eventually led to the creation of a company wide purpose statement of being a force for good, creating value, transforming life.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: On vacation in 2013, I remember I was at an island home the company has and I started reading the book Conscious Capitalism liberating the heroic spirit of business.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Let me write down that and go and read that and see if I could up my game.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: I want to salary this.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: I need to be getting them kind of salary you know.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, at 44 I feel very under accomplished.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I feel a little bad here.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: He said I read it like in a day.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: All right, well, clearly I'm not gonna get there.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I read it like in a day, taking vicious notes, and called the office and said please help me find a flip chart.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: And I made a flip chart of all the tenets of conscious capitalism.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't have the fancy slides and I brought my whole leadership team to this island house, warner said he told his leadership team that companies adopting conscious capitalism outperform financially compared to those that don't.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: I need to read this.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Let me take a note of this.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: I want to do a lot of the things when I was doing them.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: It'll say everything.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: So it's a very resilient company, but it's a company created under colonial model of management and leadership.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: Uh, he lamented that when the neil and massey conglomerate was first formed, neither he nor his father would have been able to get work at the organization because of the skin color.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: He said that the colonial model of the conglomerate resulted in a top-down command and control leadership.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: But he said he needed to change that.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: And along comes this strange fellow who says let's do conscious capitalism.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: And people are sure I have gone mad because I started to do things like tear down the walls and collapse the lunchroom that was the executive dining room and made it into a common lunchroom so everybody could eat together.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: I want to said he was when he started to remove the trap into the office that he came the trappings of the office that came with being a leader.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: He did not sit well with people on the team, but he vowed to have a conglomerate that listened.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: This wasn't all a bed of of roses.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Now this is going on for a while.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm not going to read the whole article for you, but I just wanted to take a snippet from this Because I think it's important that that was going to be.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: It's important that this is highlighted, and salute to the author of this article, who is unnamed.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: But I'm happy that somebody did this.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: This, because it's easy sometimes to isolate one thing that somebody do and make that into the legacy, or easy for you to feel like the one thing you do that didn't work out well, or the one thing you do that was bad, or the one mistake you like in life, or the one little thing or the one big thing defines you in some way, and and and wanna having a exit from massey here.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: That is, uh, less than stellar.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: I could put it like that.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Right, it leaving a little bit of a cloud.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Like people talking about this, even me, I like to make joke about the white light and them kind of thing.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: I song to play about the white light and them thing too.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't think I would ever stop talking about that and the talking to the dead and these things.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: But we mustn't forget the contribution that he made and I didn't even know before starting to read this that he would be 44 years young when he went into that position of leadership.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: But y'all would remember the morning we wake up and the whole thing say massy, when we went to sleep it was massy stores and it was a whole set of other company that we didn't know was nothing.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Some of us will also remember and they still say Hilo when Hilo transitioned from Hilo Food Stores to Massey, which means this man was there through all those transitions with a major company like that, and especially when he is able to identify in his exit that as a black man you would not be able to walk there at all.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: The place is white where the people name who run in the place is white way, it's not no black way.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: So to be able to come in and take that company or run your leg at a company and take that from one level to the next where we know I mean to change the name Hilo, which is such a staple in this country as a grocery, to move that to massey stores and transition that so well, and then later on come and change the whole thing to massey group.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: And that morning I started to realize but wait, these fellas own the whole country because me.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Never know what do you real estate company did name again before it named Massey.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Was Massey real estate?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: No, there was a real estate company by um, close to TN Tech in San Fernando, there right after Skinner Park, you know I can't remember the company name now, but uh, they change over Massey Credit Union, massey Gas, massey, the whole thing.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: All they know what I'm talking about.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Right, we just wake up in the morning and we see this sign associated.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: I remember some months after that somebody from somewhere in some part of the world say Massey thief the thing and then make a claim against Massey.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: These are enormously difficult things to deal with in very big companies like this.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: As a black man in leadership there, I think there's something to be saluted, regardless of how this thing end.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: And uh, I understand the claims that miss paris.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: So, parker making the things valid as a shareholder, the things that she raised, I think any one of us would be concerned about it.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: But uh, I read this week where salute to joel julian article came out saying that they have a report.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: The thing is done.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: So, according to Joel here, a 456-page report has been produced by Senior Counsel Cohen Garcia and Attorney Vishma Jai Singh as the independent investigation into conglomerate Massey Holdings Limited has been completed.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: The investigation followed allegations made in a 13-page document.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: She made a 13-page voter allegation and them men make a 465-page document.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: She make 13-page voter allegation and them men make 465-page voter report.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: We ain't reading neither one.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: All them too long.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: That was my Angelique Pariseau Parker.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: The independent investigation began on January 14.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: The investigators submitted their report on Thursday April 4th to Ms Luisa Lafury Rivera, an independent non-executive director and chairperson of the board's governance nomination and remuneration committee.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: A release from Marcy stated the 456-page report treats separately with each of more than 100 allegations contained by Ms Pariso Potter's statement and is supported by more than contained by Mrs Pariseau-Potter's statement, and is supported by more than 2,000 pages of testimony and related documents, all of which are being currently reviewed by Massey's attorneys.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: According to the release, a special board meeting will be convened to discuss the findings and determine what actions, if any, are to be taken or resolved.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: According to the report, massey's CEO Juvis warner officially retired from the conglomerate yesterday.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: So I think it was um.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: At the end of march was the last time, so I mean I just want to take a moment to tell this man, on behalf of the whole country, thanks very much for your contribution.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: I am sure you didn't want to come home and do none of what you do Because you sound like you was flying high and you was living good.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: You come to help With homework and so on.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: I write here my job is so much pressure Me helping with Our own sort of homework, so he's a good man.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: You could have Take your family and go, whichever part You're from, and teach them Spanish too and stay in for the record.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: A contribution to the business and the entire landscape of Trinidad and Tobago and on behalf of everybody, on behalf of the Quarry Shepherd podcast squad, I want to say thanks for that.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: Regardless of how this thing end we will, I will continue to monitor what happens with the um and I want to say that, uh, so my boy Prevot, like Hinkson, the men who are around me who know finances better, when we first, as young fellas, was talking about the stock exchange, from then till now, massey has always been one of the best shares to buy on the stock exchange, and it overseen by a man like me and you.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: You know I mean a man like me and you in charge.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: That's important.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: That's important.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Somebody tell me I had to say the idea.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say this.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: But somebody tell me how I had to say that Marcy and them went the right way and there's a black man come there and a white woman come to me.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: But I'm not going to say that because I'm not doing nothing.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for Joel Julian.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll keep me abreast as to what happens next with the investigation and as more information come out and unfold.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: We will do that.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: Party time.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: You say party could wait, but it can't wait too long, right?
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Jamaica Carnival when is all the Jamaica Carnival go get bigger than Trinidad Carnival and we don't have enough room and we don't have enough space and we think too expensive and we think it's two days on the road and then it's like ta-ta-ta, no-transcript holding chance here.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Wrong, she was only afraid, only fall off the truck.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: Mickaltes just singing home when he's singing about home is here he's singing about.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: You know all them people from me in that truck, about 40 percent of them come in trinidad carnivalvale, who was never in Trinidad Cannavale before.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: They're hauling his jersey now so he ain't gonna fall off the truck.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: What have Molly done all to build truck railing over there?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I keep telling people about Jamaica Cannavale.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Are you watching this thing on paper?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: I only had to take it from somebody who Cannavale here and who Cannavale there.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Everybody who talk about Jamaica Carnival having the chance to outpace Trinidad Carnival and outgrow Trinidad Carnival, only right, only right, right, only not wrong, only not wrong, only good.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Only saying is truth, because Jamaica room stock.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: Jamaica is designed for tourism of all sorts in a way that trinidad is not ready for jamaica.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Tourism is a year wrong in comparison to trinidad, who is extremely seasonal and very specific.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Any tourism we could really have is business tourism more than anything else.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: And the place where we had the most business, which is in south with the oil and it's having a hotel down there they barely have.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I think they are royal hotel.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: You'll never feel double palm if you decide to keep your expertise, but outside of that it's not too much a hotel.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: In south there's your trade winds and tjs, but jamaica will outcompete us in all them different things.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: You rode networks in the tourist areas better.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: They are bigger and better venues.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: They have some more experienced promoters upon global parties, and they have.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: They have plenty going in their favor, right.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: But what I keep trying to explain to people is that that does not automatically take away a competitive advantage.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: The sum of the whole, the sum of the parties, more than the whole, how are you supposed to say that?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: The summary, it's like an erectus scale.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Erectus scale this is a little bit we play new york.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: I'm glad everybody was safe.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: You ever notice the erectus scale, the the earthquake thing, right, when they say it have a earthquake that is a 5.1 and then they say it have one that is a 5.5.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: It 8.4 more strong, you know, plenty more strong, because that scale is an exponential scale.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: When you hear it a little bit more, it's plenty more shaking that happening and we're looking at a few surface items, as what we're looking at and we're measuring is the infrastructure they have for tourism versus our infrastructure for tourism.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Here and we seem to be convoluting is the right word, like we seem to be mish-mashing the two issues, to say that because they have a better infrastructure, they have a better carnival, or they will have a better carnival or they should have.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't understand it.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I want to explain something only about jamaica, right, and I feel like I do this every year for Jamaica kind of Jamaica and Soka and what you're seeing as people following Soka in Jamaica is what we like to call the 1%.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Here it is uptown Jamaica who is following behind Soka right Downtown Jamaica and ghetto and the real Jamaica and the majority of jamaica is not into soca music like that.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: They're not into fets and I'm saying this sparingly because I don't want to say this to disparage the work that marshall and bungee and destra and mickle tasia and everybody who carry in the carnival doing, and the promoters and the band leaders and so on.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: They're men doing a great job and they're billing the audience abroad, which is what they should do.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: But the reality is that they have plenty of work to do to make carnival mainstream in Jamaica.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: It is not.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: It is a small percentage of Jamaica, the uptown Jamaicans.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: I want you to look at the light-skinnedness and the money-didness that is involved in Jamaica Carnival.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Jamaica Carnival is not a carnival of the people like we have here.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Hold on to that comment.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: We can't always say in Trinidad and Carnaval it's no longer of the people, but it is.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: They don't have that.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I want to tell you as well that those people who follow in Carnival in Jamaica do not like dancehall and they do not like dancehall and they do not like the well, they like little dancehall music when they when they among their self.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: But the real people in dancehall they don't want to be around them and they don't want to mix up and blend with them at all.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: Right, that is a separating.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: So there's a certain amount of contempt of mainstream jamaica where carnival is concerned.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: Not because you don't like a little sugar, boom, boom pause, or they don't like byron lee or they don't like a dollar wine, they like them thing, yes.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: But the issue is that if tomorrow cartel come out, which I hope to god, sorry to the family and all that, you know I mean lizard family and so let go cartel.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: You know I mean I want to go cartel.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: You know me, man wanna go cartel show.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: But if cartel come out tomorrow and decide he want to have a festival and board a truck and take that truck and carry that truck down knutsford boulevard or course across trafalgar road, say he having parade with the whole tg and jungle and remand, it will never happen.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: The decision makers in jamaica will never allow it to happen which I cannot understand for the life.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: That's not right.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Your indigenous music, that tourism I mean driving tourism, driving your economy.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Everybody in the world love it.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: The whole world has been talking about freak when cartel thing turn over in how they call the place.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: The other day the Privy Council, it's on the Breakfast Club and Joe Budden podcast on CNN.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: This thing carried everywhere.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Everybody in the world loved dancehall music.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Dancehall music is one of the biggest contributors to popular music the world have.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: From a little island of a couple million people, I see what did Little White Girl say Mode them, we no run things, think we, things run we.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: We know run take.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: How do you think it's going to become useful?
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: We run things, things no, run we.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: There's a flower gun song and she take that and put it in a pop song.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: They say flower gun.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Good for generations from the settlement to get from that.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: Dancehall music is at the backbone of plenty popular music reggaeton, hip-hop, r&b.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: You hear dancehall involved in all of it.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Right, but so for some reason maybe it's the people, you know, I mean the people.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: People don't like dancehall people.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: They do ghetto and they do this and they do that and they do, they don't quote and they while and you know I mean you have to see marvin dive off or something and land on diamond.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's too much.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: You know that people don't want to see.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: But the truth is that my experience with jamaica is that there is a divide, just like they have an economic divide, where the middle class getting smaller and smaller and there were a gap between the rich and the poor.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: That same gap exists between calypso and dancehall.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: It's not that the uptown people don't like dancehall or the dancehall people get, so people don't like calypso or soaker.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: The issue is that them two people don't like one another.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: So whoever the next one like and, of course, the man who are more corn, feed more fowl.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: So if the bigger people like that, soaker, soaker will make more headway faster and all it is.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: All jamaica carnival is is an attempt to extend their tourism season, just like everything else.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: They have hotels, they're thinking, their team, their festival, they're this, they're that going on.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: If I could do more things in my country, if I have a, if I have a uh, uh carnival, uh, tourism season.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that right, you know, like my peak travel season, with people coming into the country is where the yankee dollar and the european dollar freezing it cold when them places cool and plenty people coming into the country.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Though I could basically make all my money at that point in time, right, I'm making good money and everything smooth.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Right, everything's sweet.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Let me say that that ends somewhere around february, march, when them, when them countries start to get spring and they starting to get good weather and they enjoying their life again.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Right, and now people ain't coming by me as much.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: If I could do something around that time to extend my peak period, so my peak period ending around march, if I could do something somewhere around the end of march, early april, that attract visitors to my country, it is in my best interest and in the best interest of them.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: Same people who we talking about, who love soca music, because they are going to be the ones who own the restaurants they invested in, the hotels.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: They own the transportation, they own all the weed.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: They're selling any weed shop, not the corner weed.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: The weeds are selling in cafes and things.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: They are the ones who own those things.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: They invested and own the airlines and everything.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: So if I could figure out what, what can I use to get more people to come into the country at this time or to attract maybe I can't get the european tourists or the american tourist.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: What can I do to get more caribbean tourists or get the diaspora to come back at that point in time and that is all it is.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: I remember talking to luta, marsha, messiah and keegan taylor.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: I remember telling them that jamaica carnival is just a copy of the most commercially viable aspects of trinidad and Tobago Carnival and that is why it will never outpace or outgrow Trinidad Carnival in any way.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: It will not, even if there are times where they have some more numbers, like they're doing a little better, even little peaks like that, if Trinidad was to fall off and visitors a year and Jamaica have more people because again, the capacity to take people in is bigger.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: So beyond that, that just being an extension is just a commercial venture and just being an extension of the peak season and where it is, and it makes sense to do that right.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: Jamaica is not like Barbados or Grenada or anybody who have a homegrown carnival that the locals buy into 100%.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: That the locals buy into a hundred percent.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: And what?
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: Jamaica?
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: Sorry, trinidad, uh, barbados, grenada, st vincent, some of these islands have a not just an immersive carnival, but uh, when you're going to the carnival season, everybody, I like to say trinidad is a bigger, is a place where everybody partakes in the carnival.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Even if you go up in toko in the bush, you know, in a church camp and you don't want no part of carnival.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Even if you go up in Toko in the bush, you know in a church camp and you don't want no part of the carnival.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: I can tell you, when you used to go to Victory Heights during carnival, if the song was and we're going to jump till morning and the rain not falling In church camp, we'd be singing it's a Jesus morning and we pray to please him and we're going home To Jesus' home, to Jesus' home.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: And then this remix, the same set of soca, the same set of soca, this remix Inside the church camp.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: So we have a carnival that immersive.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Because what I want to tell you again is that when you see you're in carnival in Trinidad and you leave a fetter and you could pass on the avenue and the avenue pumping, and then you drive down on the next side of the avenue and slam, block over whole stage and swap, you winding low on the stage and it's whole fet.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: You could fet for free.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: And then by the time you go down south you buy 519 is our vibes, we can write any 519 there.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: You see, um, this boy come up and performing, what?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: His name, his name I forget his name A little red boy, or whoever other artists.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: You might see Ben Jai up on the back in our days we used to go not stumbling paprika and you see Ben Jai on top buying paprika, performing, or somebody on top remember the thing in Zen, the middle bar, somebody on top of the middle bar performing.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: The immersive nature of our carnival being the mecca of the carnival, the home of what you experience, so what you're getting and are leaving Barbados and Grenada and them out of this equation right.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Every other carnival they have that is not homegrown in this way and it is, uh, just like Toronto, notting Hill, berlin, hollywood, those are paid advertisements for Trinidad and Tobago Carnival.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: The bigger those carnivals get is the bigger and more in demand Trinidad Carnival will get.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: And when Trinidad Carnival keep getting bigger and more in demand and the supply short because of the rooms and the flights and those things that is what driving up the price of trinidad and tobago kind of demand outstripping supply you go up upward pressure on price.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: It's a simple equation.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: They might have a year, like I said earlier this year.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: They might have a year where the bubble gets so big and it gets so expensive, like this year, that people in droves say, nah, but I would stay away.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: I would just go jamaica carnival or go another carnival which easier to access via flight, better hotel rooms, better stay in terms of all-inclusive, better transport, better service, other things to do and all that.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: But that in itself is a marketing tool for the other people.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: It's almost like how the big brands is putting name on the outside of everything, like nike.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Every time you buy a nike jersey, it's not have a big nike on it.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: I pay for my jersey, you know.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: But I pay for my jersey, you know, and I helping you to build and carry your brand and that's what I'm other countries doing.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: They're paying for a carnival and they're sponsoring a carnival at both private and public sector, you know.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: I mean they, they not I'm not sure that jamaicanavale have a lot of public sector investment.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: I doubt.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: But the private sector and people investing in it, because it's not just Trinidadian promoters, it's a nation.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: You have some big, big Jamaican promoters who pushing it out there.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: But number one, no matter how big your FET gets in Jamaica, you have to pay Trinidadian artists.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: You cannot sell it out without Trinidadian artists.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: You probably had to pay Trinidadian artists.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: You cannot sell it out without Trinidadian artists.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: You probably had to pay Trinidadian DJs too.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: At some point in time you probably had to pay other Trinidadian promoters to help work with you and all them things, booking agents.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: So several different Trinnies benefiting from it as it grew.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: And even though you're paying them, you're also paying them to advertise our festival here, which will continue.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: The bigger them other festivals get is the more it go.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: You go miami carnival when you leave a fat man going to walk like normal.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, it have other things to do and that is a draw.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: But when you come in here for a carnival and a full carnival experience, they have few places in the world that could offer that to you, like trinidad and tobago.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: And in the spirit of that and in the spirit of carnival, I promise you a little data.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play the oldest possible music I could find it because palestine, she tell me the other day, she said, oh god, she said you just play some music there.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Uh, I don't even know where it is.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: You just be playing, I I just hear them thing and I can't, I can't make sense of it.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: You know, know what I mean.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: So I'm not going all the way to nowadays music, but I'll play something at least a little bit familiar to you, in the spirit of Jamaica, carnival and the back and all.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: The way the girl was rollin' I had to go and call it.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: Oy baby, ay, baby.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: She turned her wrong, bend over and I grabbed she by she shoulder.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: Oy baby, ay, baby.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: When I start to get excited that she get more delighted.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: Oy baby, ay, baby.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: She said hey boy.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Say everybody.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I know.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: See why they call you a.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: See, Oi, baby, hi, baby.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: So me sing, say, say we come inside the fence tonight.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: See the body swinging left and right Side the shawty and she looking tight.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: All the ladies wanna take a bite, so come for me.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: In a party mood, sexy body got them winding hood, me and Rocky chilling by the bar.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: We are flexing against the superstars Cannavalez, bacchanala.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back the music jamming.
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  Speaker 1: Real sweet she had me all on me feet.
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  Speaker 2: Oh baby, ay baby.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember the last time that I get such a hard wine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh baby, ay baby.
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  Speaker 2: She said hold me and control me, jam me on me pussy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh baby, ay baby.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't come just to party, I want you all inside me.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: Oh baby, Hi baby.
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  Speaker 2: See, Carnival is back in Ireland.
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  Speaker 3: Black and Alice Carnival Everybody get on board.
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  Speaker 3: Salsa wine is Carnival.
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  Speaker 3: Carnival is back in Ireland.
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  Speaker 3: Black and Alice Carnival Everybody getting bored.
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  Speaker 3: Carnival is Trinidad.
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  Speaker 1: In the spirit of the music in this episode.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I would like to close with an article that I enjoy seeing a lot, because Cole and Drake and Future and what's the next one's name Kendrick is warren and I don't know only following dj puns and 416 in the city is what it's like a war spirit.
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  Speaker 1: I've gone on twitter today joe budden and the man who's saying the end of year wrap-up.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: They have a man over there who's saying um and they wrap up just like.
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  Speaker 1: How chromatics is it with the wrap-up?
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  Speaker 1: I forget the man name name.
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  Speaker 1: Now Everybody seems to be warring and fighting.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: So in the Trinidad now it's a war between the promoters and them guys.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody can't just live in peace, why everybody can't live lovingly.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand what is going on, why we can't just all get along, but them fellas and them warring, and the debate will never die about Trinidad music and who responsible for crime and if it is the thing and if they're just singing about their real life and all them kind of thing, that blessing, in finishing that argument, in finishing no time today, that going on forever and ever.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 1: And the argument that the youths around the Trinidad thing have is that they try to sing positive music and think before and that it will.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: Several of them say so.
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  Speaker 1: Right, they try with positive music and and it didn't work.
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  Speaker 1: But when they sing the gangster music, it working and again, hundreds of thousands of views.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Again, when you go to watch swanny and them fellas views any one of them youth men, their views high.
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  Speaker 1: Now keep in mind that they're singing for their people.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: Right, we as our age, will never make anybody views the highest ever, because we just not on youtube as well.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: But clearly you're not on youtube as much, based on my number, but we're not gonna drive up nobody numbers because the youth just remember your young days when you had a cassette, how much you used to rewind and rewind and rewind and play back the thing to learn the lyrics.
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  Speaker 1: That's why these views of music that is built for young people so high, because when you're young, music is kind of uh paint, a kind of thing for your life, like a tapestry in life and is get connected to songs.
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  Speaker 1: The first time you get heartbreak, you go listen to that song a thousand times.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: The first time you come out your mother house have a song, that everything associated with a song, right, so the argument is always that's how we making we money, that's how we doing.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: We think we getting reviews or like a holy back because soaker can't get them kind of views because soaker can't not get any kind of views, that dan, uh, trinidad music getting and that's another thing like jamaica kind of all would shake over trinidad kind of, and trinidad music would take over.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: So I don't understand none of these kind of arguments.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: But I want to tell you and encourage you that I always come here and talk about the fact that the biggest trinidadian artist in terms of streams and views is none other than the great dj bravo.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Right, there's no other song in the in the world done by a Trinidadian in any genre of music that have as much streams as this fellow.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: They call DJ Bravo and people don't like when I say it because they say it ain't true and it's not just views and all them kind of things.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day the biggest song in Trinidad and Tobago history is this Bravo, dj, bravo, dj, bravo Champion.
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  Speaker 3: Champion, champion, champion, champion, champion.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody know say bravo, champion, champion, champion, champion, champion, champion, champion.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody know.
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  Speaker 3: Chris K is a champion, beanie a champion, bounty a champion.
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  Speaker 3: Marshall is a champion, beanie a champion, bumty a champion.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: Marshall is a champion, bunty is a champion.
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  Speaker 3: Fallon is a champion.
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  Speaker 3: Lara is a champion.
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  Speaker 1: Gayle is a champion don't forget Michael Jordan, obama a champion, mandela a champion, serena a champion, wendy a champion, zillian a champion 958, both are champion, champion, champion, champion, champion, champion, champion, champion, champion.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody know say bravo A champion, the biggest song in the street.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: That's a big one.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: You can say whatever, but again, the champion is not a badness.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: It's not a badness, it's not a gun talk, it's not a.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Intellect.
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  Speaker 1: Again, if you look at the most popular songs in the world, right, just google for me the most popular songs in the history of the world, look for the top 100.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you none have any violence or any killing or any kind of thing in it.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: All the biggest music in the world is extremely positive, uplifting music, if not with just lyrics, with chord, structure and the way it puts together inspirational messages and so on.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: Songs about love, songs about heartbreak, songs about regular life, songs about leaving and I'm not coming back and when I go, see you again.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: Those are the kind of songs that make for forever music and everlasting music and evergreen music that every generation can latch on to.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: Again, go back to the songs that sample the most right.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Go back to men like um al green and what's my boy name, who like to sue everybody, marvin gay.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: Go back to them and see all the music that they make that sampled hundreds of thousands of times bob dylan hundreds of thousands, but a lot of times.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Look at the men who make their music and look at these samples that they take of them.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: Again, positive music, something that you could connect with and so that when you play generations after with people who never hear the original song.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: They gravitate and connect it immediately because, like there was this montel jordan song, return of the mac, once again read, which was an old song that they take and make that old sample that they take and bring for that.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: And then just recently here somebody take that same thing and put it in a song, again the song.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: So it's like it just penetrates your soul in a kind of way where people who don't know that was an old version of the song.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Sometimes, you know, as I was watching something on instagram on tiktok or somewhere, the dj played the montel montel jordan version in a club for young people and when them hear them it's like where's this?
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: Who messed up this song?
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Because, again, you don't even know why it's so connected to it.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: Because those most popular songs in the world, they're extremely positive in in several different ways and we have an example of that here in trinidad and tobago going on now.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: Because, while I like to come and talk about bravo a lot here, because bravo had a couple billion streams, right, a champion at the time the last time I had checked it it was by far one of the most streamed songs online when he found the original version.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: It was heavy and then, when it's about Spotify numbers, I think it was up there right.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: Of course you have the Indian market with him, but again, this song is champion.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: Everybody feel like there's a champion in the front.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: You could relate to that, but I want to read from the news.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: It's a Trinidad and Tobago-born gospel singer, shoein Gardner.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: He's celebrating 40 years in gospel this year, beginning in arima at the age of five five.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: He's also celebrating being the first black gospel artist to achieve the landmark of 1 billion views of a single recorded his viral single, find me here.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: Blessings, find me.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: An article in cbn news, the christian perspective, said that the song began as an affirmation at the end of 2023, which Gardner sent along with the melody to a Kenyan music arranger, later uploading the recorded version to Instagram and TikTok.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: The song quickly became popular and his follower count skyrocketed.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Gardner re-recorded the song on New Year's Day and asked his production company, ty scott records, to release it.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: Since then, it has been shared by american grammy winning, by american grammy award winning producer teddy riley.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: R&b singer alicia keys.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: Rapper eve eve.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: Name is jeffers.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: Rapper eve destiny's child, michelle williams.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: Gospel artist yolanda adams.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: And comedian turned pastor Kel Mitchell.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: According to the article.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: This is something that we should pay attention to while we're having this debate between Trinibad music and Soka music and what should be played and what shouldn't be played and I remember a couple of weeks ago coming in and talking about the fact that the man say no more negative lyrics and no more gun lyrics and them thing is to play in the country at all.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: I just want us to keep in mind that maybe the new biggest song in trinidad and tobago history is a gospel song and not just a gospel song like um, no amazing grace, is that just an extremely positive message on a beat that have a feel good.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: Some of the music in trinidad music, the rhythm itself, the music it dark, it carrying in a dark place.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: I want you to listen.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: I'll even all over this, but I want you to listen to the structure.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: This song, the way they make this song, the words you man saying is something that all of us could relate to and hold on to at different parts of our life and we want to just take a minute to salute great show in god.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: Now you see how the thing is overnight success we made overnight and we might say 40 years in gospel and there's a song he given us and a song I've been hearing for a long time and me and you know it's a gospel song.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: Me and you know it's a show in Gardner song.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: Me and you know it's Trinidadian singing.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: But I'm glad to hear this when I saw this in the news day this week.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: That I made it here.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Blessings gonna find me here.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, favor gonna find me here.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm missing money.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: Gonna find me here, blessings gonna find me here.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: Round and round these seasons I've been facing, but this year, your blessings I'm embracing, hey, healing have become my way, blessings have become my way, winning, we winning, and we here to stay Is the blessings me say will find me here.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I miss the people gonna find me here.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: Tell them the money gonna find me here.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I miss the blessings.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Gonna find me here.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: Tell them me, claim it All of my blessings, man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tell them me, claim it.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: All of me, blessings me.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Name it With faith.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: Me, I go, own it.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: Nothing shall get home.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: It Speak life.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: It is a new day Old things in a me past.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to the new.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah Me, step out in faith and over Blessings, go find me.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: Listen, salute to the great show in God oh, na na na, na, na na na in this episode here, and our greatness is you for listening me for making this and about everybody we talk about in this episode.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: So I'm wishing all of you a good and happy and productive week.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: Blessings go find you here.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: Money go find you here.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Favor go find you here, and I will see you all in the next week.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: Bye, blessings gonna find me Round and round.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: These seasons I've been facing, but this year, your blessings I'm embracing.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: Healing have become my way, blessings have become my way, winning, we winning and we.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: Here to stay is'm a say.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: Blessings gonna find me here.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: Tell them me, claim it, all of my blessings, me.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: Name it With faith, me, I go, own it.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: Nothing shall get home.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: It Speak life.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: It is a new day, old things in a me pass.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to the new year.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: I miss the favor gonna find me.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: Money gonna find me.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: I miss the blessings.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Gonna find me, bye.