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IFH 807: Making Your Own Damn Movies: Inside Dave Campfield’s Troma-Fueled Filmmaking Path · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 2: today's episode with guest host Dave Bullis.
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  Speaker 4: On this episode, my guest plays Caesar in the comedy
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  Speaker 4: team Caesar and Auto. He hosts the Truemanow podcast, and
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  Speaker 4: he also was a filmmaker himself. We also talk about
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  Speaker 4: he going to a college that no longer exists, which, again,
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  Speaker 4: as you know, I probably find really funny, not the
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  Speaker 4: fact that he went there and it doesn't exist, but the
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  Speaker 4: fact that the college, you know, the college doesn't exist
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  Speaker 4: anymore because you know, we talk about all that stuff
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  Speaker 4: that we talk about, the worst on set experiences, including
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  Speaker 4: when someone pulled a knife on a first a d
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  Speaker 4: and we talked about getting to work with trauma, creating
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  Speaker 4: his own movies, finding an audience, tons more stuff. This
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  Speaker 4: is a really awesome interview about going out there and
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  Speaker 4: just doing it yourself and finding all the ways in
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  Speaker 4: different connections and you never know what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: With guest Dave Campfield.
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  Speaker 5: Actually we got two days right here. It's going to
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  Speaker 5: become like that chieftains shng sketch. Hey, Dave's not here, man, No,
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  Speaker 5: it's me Dave, your guest Dave. So happy New Year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, same to you, buddy. Is it snowing where you are?
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  Speaker 5: By the way, I haven't looked at the window today.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm a bit of
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  Speaker 5: a shut in.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, same here, man.
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  Speaker 4: I just kind of look at my window from time
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  Speaker 4: to time, being like, oh, that's what it's doing outside.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Actually I have a huge window right in front of me,
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  Speaker 4: but you can't see it because we're on a podcast.
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  Speaker 3: But I swear it's there.
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  Speaker 5: We can swear a lot of things there that's some
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  Speaker 5: beauty podcasting. You know. I'm talking to you from the
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  Speaker 5: Shuttle Tiberian out of space, and yeah, welcome to the
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  Speaker 5: podcast today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's great man. I mean I could just
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  Speaker 3: make up anything too, you know, it's great.
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  Speaker 4: It's my My supermodel wife is actually going in the
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  Speaker 4: kitchen right now making me some lunch.
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  Speaker 3: So it's great.
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  Speaker 5: You have a supermodel wife. I do too.
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  Speaker 4: It's great, man, it's great. Oh, it's a small world.
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  Speaker 4: Both named Dave, both have supermodel wives. It's great, man.
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  Speaker 5: And both those podcasts, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Both, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: Well we should just make a new show called Dave
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  Speaker 4: and Dave and and every week we just come on
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  Speaker 4: and just whatever whatever stream of consciousness, every any lie,
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  Speaker 4: any whatever comes off the top of our head. No
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  Speaker 4: one would know the truth either way, and they can
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  Speaker 4: kind of like figure out, you know, what are ryan about?
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  Speaker 3: What's the truth.
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  Speaker 5: This is very psychedelic. Let's get back to reality for
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  Speaker 5: a second here.
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  Speaker 4: So, so, Dave, I wanted to have you on the podcast, uh,
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  Speaker 4: because we actually met through again to the magic of Twitter,
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  Speaker 4: and you host your own podcast. You're a filmmaker and hey,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, you have an awesome first name. So
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  Speaker 4: I figured, you know, why why not you know, have
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  Speaker 4: you on.
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  Speaker 3: We could talk about all this good stuff.
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  Speaker 4: We were kind of you know, missing each other so
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  Speaker 4: to speak, because I know we we trying to make
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  Speaker 4: our s schedule sync.
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  Speaker 3: But you're on now.
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  Speaker 4: So so that's why I wanted to have you on.
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  Speaker 4: Also because you know, we both you know, watch a
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  Speaker 4: lot of Trouma movies. We both know Lloyd Kaufman. Uh
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  Speaker 4: he's actually been on the show as well, and it's
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  Speaker 4: just you know, again small world. So, you know, just
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  Speaker 4: to get started, Dave, we're want to ask you know
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  Speaker 4: about your whole career and how you got started in
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  Speaker 4: the film industry. And also what really cool you do
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  Speaker 4: too is Dave, you do what I've been starting to
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  Speaker 4: move this podcast to do, and that is you actually
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  Speaker 4: make movies.
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  Speaker 3: At the same time to the podcast.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like you're actually out there
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  Speaker 4: doing stuff at the same time. I actually haven't made
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  Speaker 4: anything since I started this podcast, which is crazy, but
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  Speaker 4: and this in your episode one ninety eight, so it's
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  Speaker 4: kind of crazy, man. But so I wanted to just
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  Speaker 4: to get started at the beginning, and that is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you finally started making your own films. So just
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  Speaker 4: to start us at the beginning, did you did you
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  Speaker 4: go to film school?
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  Speaker 5: I went to a college that doesn't exist anymore, went
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  Speaker 5: to the College Centa Fe in New Mexico. And I
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  Speaker 5: went there because it was the only film college in
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  Speaker 5: the United States I think college United States that had
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  Speaker 5: a film studio on campus. So parts of basically it
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  Speaker 5: was they took their gym and they renovated it and
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  Speaker 5: they shot part of City Slippery there and other big films.
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  Speaker 5: So like I when you go into this massive facility
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  Speaker 5: and in New Mexico where this was, all of the
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  Speaker 5: houses and all of the architecture of the building is
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  Speaker 5: to code and everything looks like an Adobe building. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I had this visual land of imagination between like the
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  Speaker 5: amber tones of the of the stand of the you know,
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  Speaker 5: there was no grass there. It was like it was
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  Speaker 5: like go to school on Tate Wine in Star Wars.
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  Speaker 5: And the film college was was the renovated gym. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: the film studio was the renovated gym. And you could
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  Speaker 5: see and I'm being pointed to where they shot City Slickers.
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  Speaker 5: You know, this is where they shot a night time
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  Speaker 5: fire scene indoors. You know like it was. It was
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the exteriors at night were actually shot inside,
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  Speaker 5: even though like they were able to transform it into
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  Speaker 5: the into a grand vista ground land escape. And I
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  Speaker 5: could see on the gone ground too when they shot
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  Speaker 5: City Slickers that the basketball court had still existed. The
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  Speaker 5: chalk marks from the from the the basketball court were
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  Speaker 5: still there. But the appeal of going there was really
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  Speaker 5: just to be able to witness filmmaking firsthand, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to. I was in school with people who
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  Speaker 5: went off to be pretty successful, like Rockland Dunbar was
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  Speaker 5: a classmate of mine, and now you could see him
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  Speaker 5: in a lot of things, from prison Break to he
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  Speaker 5: was in Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. He's one of those
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  Speaker 5: guys you've seen many many times. But you know, back
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  Speaker 5: then we were both just kids and trycky on find
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  Speaker 5: a way. And I think college tends to be more
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  Speaker 5: about the experience you get working on film sets and
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  Speaker 5: meeting other people film college that it is necessarily even
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  Speaker 5: some of the stuff that you learn in the classroom
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  Speaker 5: because that you can learn hands on. And so that's
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  Speaker 5: where I got started. You know, I met a good
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  Speaker 5: group of friends that I continue to collaborate with over
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  Speaker 5: the years and stay in touch with. And my roommate
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  Speaker 5: and I were working on a production. We're trying to
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  Speaker 5: get a production off the ground, and he secured two meetings,
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  Speaker 5: two meetings, one with a New Line Cinema, one with Universal,
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  Speaker 5: and like, this is ridiculous. For about twenty one years old,
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  Speaker 5: we got a meeting with these teen major studios. So
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  Speaker 5: things are looking good. The future is looking right so
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  Speaker 5: bright I had to wear shades and so we got
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  Speaker 5: the Universal meeting, and I realized there was nothing to
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  Speaker 5: lose because right up front they told us, look, fellas,
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  Speaker 5: we're having this meeting, but to tell you the truth,
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  Speaker 5: we're not going to take your work, but we're interested
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  Speaker 5: in meeting you. Like all right, Well that takes the
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  Speaker 5: pressure off. Yeah, because however we have no background. But
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  Speaker 5: we make our best pitch and it was a good
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  Speaker 5: meeting and at the end of which we realized we
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  Speaker 5: weren't going to get anything out of it, maybe other
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  Speaker 5: than a contact. When we went to New Line, that's
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  Speaker 5: when the pressure was on, because it was a somewhat
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  Speaker 5: i'll be a tiny chance that they can look at
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  Speaker 5: the script and hire us to make and we got
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  Speaker 5: prepped by like an entertainment lawyer that was a friend
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  Speaker 5: of a friend, and they were giving us all the
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  Speaker 5: pointers that you have to sing in your big production meeting.
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  Speaker 5: And he was telling us, when you guys go in,
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  Speaker 5: what they want to hear is that you're young, you're
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  Speaker 5: from the streets, You've got a story to tell, and
• 9:38
  Speaker 5: you've got a dark coming of age comedy, you know,
• 9:43
  Speaker 5: and like that the stuff they liked in the past,
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  Speaker 5: like gross point blank or Heather's stuff like that. Just
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  Speaker 5: tell them that's the language they speak. We'll be right.
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  Speaker 5: So we're going to the New Line Cinema meeting with
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  Speaker 5: Matt Alvarez and so Fellas tell us, tell us what
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  Speaker 5: you got. I said, hey, Matt, where we're young, we're
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  Speaker 5: from the streets. We're telling a story from hard dark
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  Speaker 5: comedy sort of like you know, like a key Grosse
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  Speaker 5: point blank or like a Heather's. And there's a pause
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  Speaker 5: as he's sitting looking at us from across the table
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  Speaker 5: when he says to us, you know, I have to say,
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  Speaker 5: this is all very intriguing. So and that began at
• 10:36
  Speaker 5: one of the age twenty one, like a year long
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  Speaker 5: relationship with New Line Cinema in which it was it
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  Speaker 5: was the absolute character being dangled in front of the
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  Speaker 5: rabbit and being just out of reach. Because it went
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  Speaker 5: on like I would do little changes for them, and
• 10:54
  Speaker 5: he Matt would respond, and I would do another change
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  Speaker 5: and take a few months for him to respond again,
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  Speaker 5: and there was clearly in touch. But you know, I
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  Speaker 5: saw the writing on the wall. I felt like they
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  Speaker 5: were intrigued enough to keep me on the leash, but
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  Speaker 5: not intrigued enough to make that thing happen. And Matt
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  Speaker 5: went off to do you wound up producing all the
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  Speaker 5: ice Cube movies, and I decided that I was going
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  Speaker 5: to try to, you know, not become one of those
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  Speaker 5: people that get into that limbo of just waiting for
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  Speaker 5: that big opportunity to happen. You just had to make
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  Speaker 5: it happen on your own. So I began production on
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  Speaker 5: on my own film called Under Surveillance, later retitled Dark Chamber,
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  Speaker 5: and my attitude going into it is I've seen a
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  Speaker 5: lot of indie film, like straight to DVD movies, and
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  Speaker 5: they tend to fit a certain pattern, and the kind
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  Speaker 5: of emphasis was on the murder mayhem destruction and following
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  Speaker 5: the paint by numbers plot, you know, and that stuffing again.
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  Speaker 5: So but that's what they do, you know, Like when
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  Speaker 5: you go to some of these movies, it's sort of like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: the Friday thirteenth homage number two thousand, and I really
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  Speaker 5: wanted to do something different. I wanted to take I
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  Speaker 5: wanted to make a character based. I wanted to make
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  Speaker 5: it different. I wanted to surprise you, maybe more of
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  Speaker 5: a mystery thriller with some horror in there. And that
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  Speaker 5: was my attitude going into it. And after like five
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  Speaker 5: years for I spent five years on this, and the
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  Speaker 5: things went wrong. This documentary is online if you type
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  Speaker 5: in you know, the release title was Dark Chamber. If
• 12:29
  Speaker 5: you type in making a Dark Chambers, you will see
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  Speaker 5: everything that could go wrong in five years, because it
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  Speaker 5: usually does. When you're making a film. It's amazing how
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  Speaker 5: many things could go wrong, especially you just don't because
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  Speaker 5: you're always cutting quarters, you're always compromising, things are always
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  Speaker 5: you know, money is not on your side, so you're
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  Speaker 5: constantly working around issues. And so I spent that time
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  Speaker 5: making this, and I was so happy that I made
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  Speaker 5: a film that as I see broke the conventions of
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  Speaker 5: the genre, and I'm proud of my litter, the young self,
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  Speaker 5: and like I go to the studios of like yere
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  Speaker 5: and then their response is we wanted something that was
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  Speaker 5: more familiar, like a Sunvavage. I thought, like, I, you know,
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  Speaker 5: so all of those times when I'm looking at these
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  Speaker 5: movies is because they're encouraged to be familiar, and they're
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  Speaker 5: encouraged to follow the same things, and character matters less
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  Speaker 5: than does hitting certain beats of of core and other
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  Speaker 5: marketable elements. And I didn't really make that kind of film,
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  Speaker 5: but a couple of companies said we were interested, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And the one I went with was can't most pictures
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  Speaker 5: lash Shakarama, And he told me right off the bat,
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  Speaker 5: I like this, but to get it into the marketplace,
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna have to sell it as a horror. And
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: at that point, all right, do what you have to do.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, I got it to Netflix, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: people were expecting saw when they saw a cover with
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  Speaker 5: the pentagram carved into the back of the of the actress.
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  Speaker 5: There was a woman in the movie, you got the
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  Speaker 5: pentagram carved in her back. Then maybe they made the
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  Speaker 5: film look so gory, and that was simply what they
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  Speaker 5: felt was going to make it viable in the marketplace,
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  Speaker 5: and at the same time it changed the expectations of
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  Speaker 5: the audience. But you know, if I had this perfectly
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  Speaker 5: marketed as a film with the property, like if it
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  Speaker 5: was called under Surveillance and it had a cover that
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  Speaker 5: totally dig that thoroughly representative film, maybe ten people would
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  Speaker 5: have seen it. So that's the you know, that's the
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  Speaker 5: trade off. I guess if you if you have a
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: film that doesn't have big stars and and it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have a content that that looks like a standard horror,
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: people who's interested, you know, And and why why see
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  Speaker 5: that one? Hollywood's presenting the bigger budget equivalent to that
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: same thing, with more production values and more polished so
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: you know, the you live, you learn, and that was
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  Speaker 5: that was a very educational experience. And from there I
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  Speaker 5: began doing comedy horrors because I want to be different
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  Speaker 5: in the marketplace and I want to tell I also
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  Speaker 5: want to tell stories that I miss, the kind of
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  Speaker 5: story and and the season not a franchise, you know,
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  Speaker 5: shut it off with Summer Camp, Mascure, Deadly X Mess
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  Speaker 5: and Paranormal Halloween. These are their comedy horror sapphires wearing
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  Speaker 5: lampoons the genre. And I hadn't seen like these real
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  Speaker 5: comedy horrors other than, you know, the scary movies, but
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  Speaker 5: something more akin to Abad and Guestola met Frankenstein and
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  Speaker 5: those crossover movies where you have two doofy comedy characters
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  Speaker 5: and and they're in the middle of of this of
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: of a horror film, you know, genre they have no
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  Speaker 5: right being in, but somehow when they are, and it's
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: a lot of fun. And that has sort of been
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: the path I've had, and more recently I got into
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: the Truma Now podcast, which was simply Lloyd appeared in
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: one of the season NATA films and I saw him
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: at a convention and I said, Lloyd, Who's do you
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  Speaker 5: have a podcast? You know? He he noticed me, even
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: though at first he was like, oh are you. I said,
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  Speaker 5: I'm Dave. I dirt to you. You remember, Oh God, Dave,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, sir. And he said, there's nobody, there's nobody.
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  Speaker 5: We want to do one, but there's nobody doing it.
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  Speaker 5: I said, I want to do one. We really want
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  Speaker 5: to do your podcast. I think I could, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we can have some fun, and he said, yeah, talk
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  Speaker 5: to Levi. The He gave me like some contacts, and
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: then we wound up, we wound up making this thing happen.
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  Speaker 5: You know. Basically, they give me a little bit of
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: notes before each episode and then I send them the
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  Speaker 5: final product. They approve it, and they put it up
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  Speaker 5: and they've never yet denied an episode I've done. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I could be like, hey, we don't like this, you know,
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  Speaker 5: because I tease Trauma a lot in the podcast, and
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  Speaker 5: they're always game with whatever, and that they've been a
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: wonderful company to collaborate with, you know, just because of
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: the freedom that they give you. And coming next year,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like you know, I'm hoping it sounds like
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  Speaker 5: Lloyd's going to be the first guest of the new year,
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  Speaker 5: and it possibly two part episodes, so we will we
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  Speaker 5: will see time to get him on there. It's his podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say it's it's it's kind of like,
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  Speaker 4: where the hell is he?
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  Speaker 3: Like, you know, it's gonna be there's a.
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  Speaker 5: From board Game, where's Lloyd. Yeah, he's wearing the striped
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: shirt and the glasses over in the corner in the
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: adult bookstore. So he's, Uh, yeah, he's he's set to
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: come on, and uh, there's I haven't actively been making
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: films since I've done the podcast. Uh. And as a
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: matter of fact, I had another show that I was
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: hosting and I had to go on hiatus while I
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: while I made the film. Well, I made my last feature.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: So it is definitely difficult to juggle podcasting and filmmaking.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: It is because like if you're doing if you're filmmaking
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: and you're taking wearing a lot of hats, you tend
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: to you tend it tends to become your life, you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: for that period of five months, six months a year.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so true.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: And just trying to get everyone's schedule to sink and
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: all that good stuff.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Why I now now I focus more on my writing.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: When I say I haven't made anything so I started
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: this podcast, that means I haven't actually produced anything, you
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, other than just just focusing on
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: this and and sort of trying to get some stuff
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: off the ground.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: And just just to make it. But but next year,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: I'm dead set.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: I'm actually I was actually gonna make something this year
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: and just kept getting pushed back.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: Well, you've got a day.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, right, I got a data to come
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: up with this.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I actually was next year.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I actually have already like put the groundwork in now
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: because I haven't made anything, like I haven't directed anything
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: in a long time, just because of you know, oh well,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: I mean people who've listened this podcasts now, I've talked
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: about it ad nauseam. But basically I want to start
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: doing something next year and just getting back on the horse,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: so to speak, or getting back on the wagon or
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: off the wagon or whichever wagon it is. But but
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: you're making just making sure I'm actually doing stuff now, Dave.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: I just want to actually backtrack just a second here
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: because you mentioned something that that I really took note of,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: which is that the college you went to doesn't exist anymore.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Did it just lose all its funding and it couldn't
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: operate anymore?
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: No, apparently I did it. You know. I went there
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: and they're like when it's well, close the doors in
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: this place, and.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: It was. It was a small school. I was one
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: of the thousand students that went there. And I think
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: some of these privately funded schools sometimes have a hard
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: time staying afloat unless the you know, the tuition is egregious,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: and you know it was, and so I, you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: I had been out there ten years. But when when
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: they had when they had closed, and you know, it's funny,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: is like the college like was military barracks at one point,
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: so it was like World War Two, it was rather
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: our our mess hall or what do you call our
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: lund was originally like military barracks from the Second World War.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: I'm like, this is a hell of a place to
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: go to school. So I think they just actually just
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: became another college. They just you know, gave it a
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: cosmetic gloss and turned into another school with less of
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: an emphasis on film.
• 20:02
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• 20:08
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• 20:12
  Speaker 3: You know, with this whole I was talk about college
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I remember when there were a couple of years ago
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Sweetbriar College in Maryland was going to close, and Mark
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Cuban actually said, see this is the beginning of the
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: start of the college apocalypse where all these small colleges
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: are going to close.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: And I think he's absolutely.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Right, like so once he so I actually looked at
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: all the college closing for like the past like twenty
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: years and like the most I think I ever saw,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: like on that line, I think was like nine or ten.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: But like even the college I went to, I had
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: an awful college experience, by the way, and I just
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I still don't understand, you know, why I even went
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: to college. But and I still you know, everyone tells
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: you you have to have that degree, and I went.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: For one year, Dave. So that's that's my whole college
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: experience and the rest of the time. And I left
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: specifically to pursue this and do it on my own.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: So my mind's not a traditional college experience. It's a
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: very short one.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Well see.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: But that's the smart idea though, is go honestly, man,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I've known people who've gone for a day. I've known
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: people who've gone for a year or two and then
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: they said, look, this isn't for me, Like I don't
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: get it. Like I struggled through, you know, all the fluff,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: bullshit classes and got at the end, got that degree
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: and then you find out it means absolutely nothing. So
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: it's like, you know, what was the point of all that? So,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: you know, because if everyone has a bachelor's then what
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: does it actually mean? So it's almost like and then
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: now you know, anyways, I'm gonna get off on the top
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: of a higher ed anyway, So what happened so with that?
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: You know, I've actually so so when you actually were
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: going to pitch, and when they talked about you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: things like you know, hey, you know, we want something familiar,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: you know. I you know, I have a friend of
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: mine who actually pitched a different way. And what he
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: does is when he goes into business meetings, he says
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: a lot of business buzzwords and it's worked out damn.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Well for.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you this much. Uh are you still there?
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: It sounded like there was a little blip, I'm here, okay.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: So a number of years ago, I was in California
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: when when we were on the same pitch and by
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: the way that these were for this was for a
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: different movie, the film and a pitch to New Line.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: But when we were in California, we got together with
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: another friend who got a million dollars and he was
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: saying that his whole method of securing this money, as
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: he would going to a meeting, was he was a
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: scam artist. Not that he didn't deserve the money, but
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: like his methods were, like what he's going to have
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: his friend buzz him on the cell phone in the
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: middle of the meeting and say that he has to
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: take the call. It's from another investor, And he had
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: all of these little methods planned that would make the
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: investors think that he's more important that he is. And
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: so sometimes there's tools of manipulation that are used. But
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: I've never been that guy. I really would like to
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: think of myself as on the level realistic with who
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: I am, what I'm capable of, and that's it, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: not try to turn myself into something I'm not. And
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: for a lot of people, that's how they get their money.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: You know, if I feel like I wasn't I couldn't
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: do something terrific, then I don't deserve it. And you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: I continue with that philosophy of mind and if it
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: pays off, wonderful, and if it doesn't, whatever, I'm still
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: the person that I am, and I'm still moving forward
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: and making films. And you know, even if something is
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: like this is a great experience just doing podcasts and
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: making indie films, it's nice and hopefully you get that opportunity.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Like I was telling you before we started recording that
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: I I was interviewed for a History channel hosting gig
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: and it was a program, and that was as a
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: result of staying the course. You know, I have a
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: friend of mine who's done very well, and he says,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: I like what you do, and I want you to
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: co host a program with me. I want you to
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: audition to a co host with a foreign edition with me.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Maybe before I showed that I was going to be hosting,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: had I not been doing what I've been doing, that
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: opportunity wouldn't come through. So a lot of times you
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: have to stick to your gun if it's what you
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: really believe in, be willing to to knock you out,
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: but learn along the way and see what it all
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: takes you. And as a matter of fact, that show
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: did happen, and whereas I wasn't the co host, I
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: was involved with it and I had to like, I
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: was one of the reenactors or whatever. This is cool.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: This is all bigger than the stuff I've done, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: it leads that led to more opportunities. So that's why,
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: if you really believe in it, you get to stick
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: to your guns.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I find that, you know, And as we
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: talk about just going forward, with the podcast and talk about,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: you know, making movies. At the same time, I find
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: that you have to keep that momentum going because if
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: you stop, it's way too easy just to lose sort
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: of track of everything, a lose sight of everything, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: then suddenly you're like, oh shit, didn't I want to
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: do this by now, you know what I mean? And
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: it just it's kind of you got to keep that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: You got to keep on that as best as you
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: possibly can.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: I've been working on a one script called Awaken the
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Reaper for about on and off for about ten years,
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: so like, and it started off as just a fairly
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: generic horror film with a couple of cold twists maybe,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: and has evolved into something extremely personal. And I don't
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: think I've ever done anything this personal. And that's what
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: I've been working on really for the last year, trying
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: to get you know, like fairly full time sure to
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: get this off the ground and find the proper budget
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: for it, because these seas are not of comedy movies
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: I've done. They've they've done for you know, between six
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: and ten thousand dollars, and I can't do this anymore.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: I can't do films. I mean, their wonderful experiences for
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: the most part, But I can't keep doing films for
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: so little money where I'm getting criticized primarily because I
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: don't have money. It's an incredibly insulting there's insult to
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: be criticized for. I have to show what I'm more
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: capable of on a bigger budget, because you have with
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: a bigger budget, you just have higher production values, you
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: have more tools to play with, you have a wider
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: palette to paint from. And so what started off as
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: this generic film just really became the story of me
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: and how in the story hopefully of all of us,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: where we get in to a lot in life, we
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: get into a place where we feel stock and you
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: feel like you can't move forward, and you feel like
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: every day is you're not moving forward, and you're regretful
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: of past and afraid of the future. And that's I
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: think where a lot of us are. And I want
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: to tell that story about sort of getting out of
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: the way of your own fear within the context of
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: a very thought out horror film. And if I can
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: make this work the way that I'm imagining and hoping for,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: if I could touch people on a human level with
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: us it will make for a really unique car experience
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: because it's rare that a horror touches you on a
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: human level and feels real. And that's what I'm hoping for.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: And maybe in twenty eighteen we'll really get to make
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: this happen. We'll find out.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, money is always that magical thing, but
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: you know, I always you know, now I'm sort of
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: working with the other way where I'm trying to sort
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: of build it up where you know, I build it
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: up again as we talk about the past.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm trying to build it up again to the.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Point now where you know, I when I do go
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: to an investor, whatever, I actually have a body of
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: war that's more recent. And I think that's what that's
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: an advantage you have. Again, here's your business term unfair advantage.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: You know's what's the unfair advantage, And I think that's
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: yours is only that you have the podcast and also
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: you have the body of work and you could say, hey,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: look I've made this for a few thousand dollars. You know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: imagine what I could do for fifty you imagine what
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I could do for one hundred, and you know, everything
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: would still be profitable.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: Well profitable is harder and harder to accomplish these days.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: You just do the best that you can. And I've
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: aligned with Wild Eye Releasing has been a wonderful company
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: for me and I do a lot of work for them.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: They've released my last couple of movies. They just released
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: my compilation back if you.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: Do the Holiday Horrors, the Holiday Horrors Horrors DVD if
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: you type it in, that's all of my Caesaronano comedy
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: horor films which they just re released.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: And I've been able to to work and work on
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: other indie films and do some a bunch of stuff
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: for them. And I've gotten to a point where or
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: you know, my films make something back then will necessarily
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: make their budget back. But it shows you how difficult
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: in this day and age, with with so many movies
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: being made, how how challenging is to make a profit.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: But it can be done. It can be done. Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: And that's something too that I talked about too on
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: this podcast.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: With all with a lot to of other guests, is
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: that you know, with so many movies being made, how
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: do you stand out? You know, how do you stand
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: out in any which way, shape or form, and how
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: do you get your movie seen now? So that sort
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: of becomes the new you know how, the distribution method
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: and the marketing for that distribution method. Let's just say
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I decided to make a movie. I put it on
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: YouTube for the hell of it. I make a movie.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: This weekend, you and I make a movie, Dave. There's
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: one one day left in twenty seventeen, So let's make
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: a movie. And you and I make a movie. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: we decided just to throw it on YouTube. It's a
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: short film, and you know what, we just say, let's
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: just keyword the hell out of it. Let's just hope
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: for you know, somebody discovered you know, let's just hope.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Uh No, I'm sorry, let's let's be worded.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Let's just use it as a plan of long tail
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: keywords and that you know, as longer it's up there,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the more chance it has it being discovered. And we
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: just sort of use that method and hopefully somebody stumbles
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: upon it again. I keep saying hopefully. I don't I
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: don't like that word hope. I don't, you know what
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I mean. It sounds too much like blind fake. But
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, like, that's that's the the
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: way of distribution of marketing, and there's a but there's
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: a thousand other ways to do it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: It's all about trying to get the movie seen.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Well, you know the uh, the most successful person that
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: I worked with on YouTube was an actress named Lauren Francesca.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: She oh, I know her, No, She had a little
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: cameo in one of my films, and I was pretty
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: friendly with her for a couple of years there. We
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: did a lot I wrote and directed, in co starred,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: and a bunch of videos for her. But I found
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: what I think the key to her success was that
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: she understood YouTube better than I know anybody, better than
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: anybody I know, like, and she would show me science
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: of it and the keywords and this and that. So
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: it's two things, you know, do you have the content
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: and do you know how to market yourself? And I
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: made a film that should have gone I think, Gangbusters
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: on YouTube, like because it was sort of made for YouTube,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: and it did okay, like people really seem to respond
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: to it, but not that many people who have really
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: seen it overall. And it's because I don't understand YouTube that. Well,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: look at piggy Zilla, pigg y z I l l
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: A you like Godzilla? Do you like guinea pigs? Piggy
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Zilla And it's you know, like a bunch of two
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: minute shorts and they I thought it would be more
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: of a hit on YouTube because it's sort of made
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: for it. It's short, silly, it's got animals.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: So I got a linked that in the show notes.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: By the way, Dave, I actually just looked that up
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: real quick, so I will link to that in the
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: show notes everybody, so.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: We can check out piggy Zilla.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: But no, but the uh, but like I understand what
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: you mean about like stuff like that, because I actually,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: you know, I've I've gotten more in to YouTube. I
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: actually have a friend of mine who who runs one
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: of the top YouTube channels, not like it's like the
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: top one percentile, and unfortunately he doesn't do much with
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: it anymore. And I've always said, like, give it, you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: give it to somebody who could actually use it, and.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: He he just won't. We'll give it up.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, it just kind of sits there, rotting away.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Which is how how.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: Often does the post videos? Uh?
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Not very often at all, and by that I mean
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: like probably once every six months at most, and I
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: mean like I mean honestly, I've had him on the
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: podcast and and we actually talked about that, and it's
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: kind of like this where you know, he he wants
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: to he wants to make content for it, but he
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: wants to be a certain kind of content, and it's
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: just it takes time to make that content and then
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: it's just it's everything sort of keeps going into the
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: back burner.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: So it's one of those situations.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: And but uh, I keep telling him, I said, you know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: you can be making a pretty good amount of money
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: every month from this thing if it was just constantly
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: have being the monster was.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Of course, there are people who make livings off of YouTube,
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: and to make pretty good livings off YouTube, and that's
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: like to me unfathomable, but it can be done, you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: So by all means, do you tell me? There's the reason.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: To tell you the truth, The advantage of doing the
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: Truman Now Podcast instead of the Day Canfield podcast is
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: that I come out on their channel and they already
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: have it built in in fan base, and I know
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: their content and I like them personally, so uh, you know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: teaming with with somebody who's already established themselves and given
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: them product that they're that they like is always a
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: win win.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: And also too, when you do the Truman Now podcast,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: it's you know, it's branding and and and honestly, I
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I that's so.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Important because you know, people know what trauma is.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe I would go back and I change
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: the name of this podcast because like guys like Alex Ferrari,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: you have the Any Film Hustle podcast, You know, Any
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Film Hustle just kind of rolls off the tongue and
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: you kind of kind of vision what it is. You know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: you hear my name, you hear this podcast?
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: What the hell? Who the hell is Dave Bullets? And
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: then too, I don't even care who he is, So
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: it's it's.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: It's a reverse. It's almost like that guy just met.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Once you've done a podcast with a brand name, then
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: you've got your own name, because what would Lloyd be
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: without Trauma's Trauma came and then people knew Lloyd. So
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: it's sort of like you have to come up with
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: the brand name and then you get known for your
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: brand name.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Where were you three years ago when I was doing this.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Call it the Bullets. Your name sounds like bullets, right,
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: you gotta use bullets, film, bullets film, man, you know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: like it's just something something bullet because you know, you
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: had a cool kind of you got a cool edge
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: to your name.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: So oh thank you.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and uh yeah, let me just have to
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: well too late now Dave, you got to you gotta
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: stick to you to Dave Bullets podcast.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I know we're.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: One hundred and uh we'll actually we're over two hundred episodes.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Now you're you're one ninety eight, but we've actually recorded
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: the other the couple. So now yeah, you're you're actually yeah.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: So so through the magic of podcasting, you're actually the
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: prequel to to the sequel, which has been released yet.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Wow, we're shooting out a sequence here. I like it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, just like a movie shooting at a sequence.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Oh man.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: It's just you know, and and for everyone listening, you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: if you're gonna start your own podcast, if I if
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: I just give you a really quickly before we get
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: to talking about you know, Dave and all the stuff
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: he's up to, I want to just say, if you're
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: gonna start a podcast, here, here's my recommendations for right now.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: The name has to really be unique. The the the.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: It has to you know, roll off the tongue, and
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: but it also has to do with so people can
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: when they hear it, it envisions what they're going to
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: be listening to.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: The format has to be you know, obviously around the
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: the round the idea of what the core of this
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: is gonna be. And you can make it short, you
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: can make it long as long as it's always in
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: tune with that idea. And I mean there are some
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: podcasts I listen to that are five and it's like,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: that's exactly how long this should be. And there's podcasts
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: that I've listened to that are you know, an hour
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: hour and a half and that's exactly how long that
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: should have been because they're they're telling like a murder mystery,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like there's story type of
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: podcasts where which have gotten pretty popular on like you know,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: My American Life and MPR and all that good stuff.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: And and then and then you have the other stuff.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: So always, you know, because I think the interview podcast
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I think we've kind of reached like max interview podcasts,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: even though this is an interview podcast. But like you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Mark Maron's WTF, Adam Carolla's, you know, Joe Rogan's podcast.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: I think that the more you can stand out, the
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: the better it is. But I think the reason you
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: stand out, Dave is again you have that unique angle
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: again unfair advantage of going with trauma. And also you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: you sound like a radio host. Like like I said
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: before the pre interview.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Thanks well, I thank you, Dave. Maybe I should push
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: it a little more and become the exaggerated radio host.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: But I was gonna say that when you talk about
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Mark maren and all of these guys just get got
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: started on the when the when it was beginning, when
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: when podcasts were really beginning, they got in. Then if
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Mark Maron tried to come out of nowhere right now,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: maybe he wouldn't have that luck. It probably wouldn't, to
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: tell you the truth. So it has a lot to
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: do with when he started. He sort of pioneered the
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: you could say podcasting in general. So as one of
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: the first he you know, he thrived. So it's almost
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: like we have to for we have to see where
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: where the next evolution in uh in media is going
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: to be, and get in on the ground level, which
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: is what a lot of these guys did. They saw
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: where the industry was going, or at least took a
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: gamble on it and got it at the right time. So, yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: that was a million podcasts. Now it is a million podcasts.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: It's very it's harder for us to stand out.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very very very true.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Man, it is just getting in that ground floor then
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: just dominating the industry. What is dominating that niche? You know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: when Maren started, it was just in its early days
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: and now he's up to over a thousand episodes, and
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: you know the same thing with like Joe Rogan and Corolla.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: And that's why when a.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: New podcast comes out, they usually have a ton of
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: marketing money behind it. Like what some of these other
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: podcasts that have done well or are doing is because
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: they just have a ton of marketing and they don't
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: market to the traditional way because again that would be foolish.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: They are, but they market specifically on social media. They
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: market it's all direct marketing.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: It's no more.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: It's like there's hardly any permission based marketing or anymore.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: And it's all basically you know what I mean.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: So, so I want to tell you something that my
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: friend Ethan Wiley, who he's a he's a filmmaker, has
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: made a lot of fun films you might have seen before.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: He made the House Movies one and two. He made
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Children in the Court five, He's done a lot of things,
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: and he told me the problem with hosts these things
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: is that it's almost like having a billboard in the jungle.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: It's like you're sharround. No one will see it, you know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: no one will know it's there because there's so much
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: around us. And it's hard in a world where where
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: you know one out of ten people and make it
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: a guess. Well, like, so when people have podcasts, how
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: do you get seen? You know? I have another podcast
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: that I do occasionally. I've told one episode called Production Hell,
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: and that's all about the trials and tribulations of indie filmmaking,
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: like really getting to the nightmare stories. So what couldn't
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: go wrong and what has gone wrong on film sets?
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: I made one episode and it's you know, it's not
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: even at one hundred listens, you know, because there's nothing
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: you know. I don't promote it, but it's nothing, you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: no buzzwords that people are are tapping into. People aren't
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: finding it, so you know, therefore, I stick with the
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: tromanapp podcast until people really get a sense of, you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: my style, and hopefully check out whatever else I do.
• 39:54
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• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I like that, by the way, production Hell, that's that
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: is a really good good idea for a podcast.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: It's on zac claud find a one episode.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: It's almost like it will be a good podcast. Is
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: something like that where you have like two people who
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: fell out during the filming of a film, like like
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: like the director producer or the two directors or whatever,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: and you bring them on there and you almost view
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: that as like a kind of like a film court
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: where each guy gets to tell the side of the story.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: That would be interesting, man, because there's a thousand and
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: one things that I you know what I mean, like
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: on film sets where I've had people draw like friendships
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: have ended on a film set.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: I've had people on this podcast where one has the audio,
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: one has the video. You know, even you know what
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, stuff like that that would should be cue.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: I have I have somebody a new in college who
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: pulled a knife on on his productions system or something
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: like he so things have things have gone down serious?
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Lay wrong?
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Why did he pull a knife on him or her?
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Think you get an it was her, to my understanding,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: there was a fight about and probably maybe it was
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: an assistant director. So one was a director, and the
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: assistant director was probably saying that she's leaving you. She
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: doesn't think this makes sense, you doesn't want to do
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: it anymore, and yeah, apparently this was bad. This is
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: as bad as a film argument can go. So there
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: are countless stories about all of the things that can
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: go wrong. And also I have countless stories about things
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: that could have gone right if things were just have
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: happened a little bit differently, like I'll tell you, I'll
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: tell you this story and maybe well i'll leave it
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: at this years ago, you know, I think what was
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: nineteen and I dropped out of college and making my
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: own film and a friend of mine is doing Boom
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Mike on a little indie film in New Jersey and
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: he's telling me he's got my script and he's pitching it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: He's showing through a couple of people in this and
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: they responded to it. I'm like, okay, cool, cool, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: tells me about one actor that's I was promising, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: I really think he'd be good in this role. But
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: I'm talking to this other guy. He's not really big yet.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, but he seems to like the script
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: so far. He says, wow, this is dark. I'm like, okay,
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: tell me who is He rent this film? And I
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: had he had me rent this film that he had
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: a little cameo in a little comedy from Universal Literal,
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, I don't know if this guy's really
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: right for anything in this movie. He's like totally. It
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: is a total disconnect. No, I don't Yeah, I don't worry
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: about pursuing him. I don't think it's a good match.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: That actor's name was Ben Fleck, and I closed the
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: door on Beneflex before he became Beneflec. And the film
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: that they were shooting was Chasing Amy, you know, the
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: one that really defined it. And the film that I
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: looked at it from his was Maulrats. If you look
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: at him in Malrats, you know it's very particular. He's
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: not at his best and he's not he didn't, he's
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: not what he became. He's fine, but you know, there
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: was no role for so, I mean, what's the truth.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: I mean if I said, yeah, this guy's great, I mean,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: it probably would have fallen part anyway because he would
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: have gotten too big and like, you know, we would
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: have lost touch. Like it's the same thing that happened
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: with my New Line Cinema experience. But but still, to
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: think Ben Affleck was reading my stuff and saying this
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: is cool. I like it, and before he became famous
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: is pretty funny.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: That's that's that's that's the door to close. You know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: it's just funny with mal Rats. I remember that Kevin
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Smith told a story about mal Rats when he showed
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: it to uh Rob Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino, and he said,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: you know, what do you guys think?
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: And they were like, oh, you know, I think you
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: went a little too much. I mean, he said. Both
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: of them just kind of looked dejected.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: And then when he made chasing Amy, he said both
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: of them like, all right, now you found your mark again.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Great, good job.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: Yea once once one is like true Kevin Smith, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: the other one sort of like Kevin Smith troning a
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: piece of studio. You know, you sort of there's your core,
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: like it lose your uniqueness, your distinctness, and you know
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: it's great that he got to I'll tell you truth,
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: I think up the game, you know from you know
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: Clerks was very raw and very true to Kevin's style
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: and voice, and Maul Rats was sort of, I guess, diluted,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: sort of like hey guys, you like this, and then
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: chasing Amy's kind of looking more but sure not that
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: mature but more mature version of his of his voice,
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: and you know, you see, you know worth the evolution
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: and I met Kevin Smith. It was the funniest, It
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: was most bizarre circumstance because I really so badly wanted
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: him to see you see like one of my Caesarada films,
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: because he could think, wow, this is a kin to
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Jane and Silent Bob in their own way, like and
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: and so I had been trying to get in touch
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: of them, might try to emailing. Nothing worked, nothing worked,
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: And one day I'm on a flight to California to
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: do some reshoots on Caesarado's Diadley Xmas, and I looked
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: at my right in Son of a Bitch, He's coming
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: out of the airport terminal, he's he's he's going through
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: bag he's going through. He's putting his stuff on a
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: conveyor belt. I see a hockey jersey, a beard, and
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: a baseball cap on backward. I'm like, that's fucking Kevin Smith.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: I've got something like what do I do? And I
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: had my I had my Summer Camp Masacre movie in
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: my bag, like and I heard him recently talk about
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: sleep Away Camp but like on a podcast, and he
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: was in my film Summer Camp, Spoosh Sleepwoy Camp's got
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: the actors from sleep Boy Camp. My good friend Felissa Rose,
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: she's she's in there like okay, uh So I wore
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: a sachet over to him and I say, can I
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: pay you a compliment? He's like, yeah, sure, man. I
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: want you to know I you're probably the best verbal
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: storyteller I've ever heard my life. And he's like, oh thanks, man.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: You know no, I'm no Jeane Shepherd, he says, because
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: you know, I always thought the verbal storytelling is my
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: best gift, because God knows, my films ain't worth a shit, like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: oh my God, look at this modesty for a success story,
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: a pure success story. And and at one point, and
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: I say to him, you liked that film Sleepway Camp, right,
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: remember that eighties slasher film. He says, yeah, sleep I Camp,
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: the girl with a face, And I said, I have
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: I made a spoof for that film and I used
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: the same actress. No shit, man like, yeah, yeah, I
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: have in my bag. You want it, sure, man? And
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: I road up in my bag. I'm like, I'm like,
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: oh my god, I can't believe this is going so well.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: And I run my bag and I had to him
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: it was just like just released and shrink wrap, and
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: I said, you know, like if you ever have a
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: chance to see it, you know, just email me, let
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: me know what you think. Ah, you know, And so
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: we give it to him. A few weeks later, I
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: my friend tells me he hears on a podcast that
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: he mentioned the whole interaction. And on this podcast, on
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: the episode called Cannabis, he's talking about like how he
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: was in an airport and ran into a guy that
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: was because they were talking about Sleepway Camp, and like
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: he just retold the whole experience. So I'm like, wow,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: you remember, I don't think you ever saw the movie.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: Because I later heard him say that people give him
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: stuff all the time. And it goes into a pile
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: of stuff I'll watch one day when he when he's sick.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: So it's somewhere maybe in the middle of that pile.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: And by that point, you know, like you know, you're
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: always going as a filmmaker, so it'd be like looking
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: at somebody's early, really early work. So that's uh. And incidentally,
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: that film Summer Camp, which you could see on YouTube,
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: but like it was put on YouTube legally through the
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: first distributor, was the first movie. You have an actor
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: named Trey Buyers. I cast him like I like this guy.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: He was an Italian, he was an Italian role, but
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: this actor is African American. He's got great personality, he's
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: got a great presence. Liked him a lot. Now Trey
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: stars on Empire. So I have this I have this
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: ability of like casting people in their first role and
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: they come to become famous. And then I never talked
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: to him again because Peter skin of you know, my
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: first film, Dark Chambery stars on Law and Order now,
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: so I basically my films, my first two films cast
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: one of the stars of Law and Order and one
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: of the stars of Empire, and I'm still a nobody.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Well then there you go.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: You find people who are going to become big. So
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: that's that's your gift, Dave. So that way, I'm gonna
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: encourage every actor now just to shoot you their head
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: shot and everything else and then you can find out.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: No I'm just kidding, but uh no no, but seriously,
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: that is cool though, you see you meet people before
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: they become big. And you can't say it again because
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: one of the podcasts. But I actually have a Kevin
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Smith figure, a podcast figure. I actually saw it one day.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: It was like on sale and I decided to get it.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: So it's actually him with the beard. It says puck
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: you on there, and he's got a microphone in his hand,
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: and it's actually just just in front of my desk here.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: It's one of my three figures in front of me.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: But it's just really really cool that you got to
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: meet him like that.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, of all, it was almost like I
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: would say stemne intvention, except for nothing came out of
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: it so other but he did plug he did he
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: did mention it on the on the podcast, So it
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: was it was a little gift from heaven, you could say.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: So was there anything was there anything else that you
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: wanted to touch on regarding because I know, like if
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: you really talk to somebody, it's a podcast that goes
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: on forever and people are on the patience for that.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: But was there anything that that else you were interested
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: in terms of what I was up to?
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Uh, well, well just just you know, well two things.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: I know, I know we are running out of time,
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: but just two things before we before we sort of
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: say goodbye. Just just creating you know, Caesaron auto and
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: just making films that you do right now, you know
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: how you know, so basically, you know, you had to
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: have a time framement of all this stuff in play.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: So you know, were a lot of these films you
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: know when you were starting out, did you did you
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: self financed like the first couple of Cason autos and
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: then you shot it and then you just started shopping
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: for a distributor. And I mean, now do you have
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: like sort of like a set plan in place, Like
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: they come they say, hey, Dave, you know, are you
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: making something else that we can just put you know,
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: just put out.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: The first causar or on a film came about this way.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: So when I when Chakarama released Dark Chamber. Mike Rosso,
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: the head of the company, asked if I had any uh,
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: if I had anything else that I was working on,
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: and I said, I had this film Awake in the
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: Reaper and I said, no, that sounds serious. I want
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: a comedy, comedy horror. And I said that thought occurred
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: to me. I had made a seven hundred dollars feature
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: film called Caesar and Auto and it was just about
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: us two duf ball you know, characters, and I was
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: institaneously imagined, like an abbot who stole me franking side,
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: what if I put them in a horror film? Okay? So?
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: And then I was spitballing right off the top of
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: my head. I said, Mike, what about you know, Caesarnado
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: in a horror film, maybe like a summer camp film.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: You know, I know the star sleep Boy Camp. Maybe
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: I can talk her into this. And it's a you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: Caesar Nano and a summer camp Masacre. And he says, right.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: I took thirty days I wrote it, and they approved it.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: They gave me a little bit of money to make it.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: And then by the time that it was made, like
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: I showed him rough gout we love this, and then
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: by the time it was to release it, like there
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: was the DVD implosion where everything they were selling was
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: less and less, especially comedies, and by the time they
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: were releasing it, it's like, Dave, the whole market's falling apart.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: They had released a few comedies back and back and
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: they all lost money. He says. So, I don't know
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: really what we're gonna do with this. We might shelve
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: it for now, put on a compilation DVD, like here's
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: your money back. I'm going to find another home and
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: I you know, and that's what we did. I found
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: another home for it. It did better than Chakarama would
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: have anticipated. And then from that distributor, I went to
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: another one we did in Deadly Xmas, which was you know,
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: finance between a friend of mine and I. And then
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: lastly Paranormal Halloween. It was mostly funded through Indiegogo, you know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: and at that point there had been enough traction from
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: the previous films to give the audience an idea of
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: what they were going to get. And and you know,
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: I offered a lot of perks that I think they enjoyed. Uh,
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: and that helped as well.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so that's kind of you know again, like
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: you you sort of as a touch off at the
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: beginning of this podcast, you have that that that it's
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: almost like a method and or plan in place where
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: you know, you can do the podcast, you get your
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: name out there still and then you're still doing the films.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: And I think that's important now.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Is you have to have almost like a pre existing
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: fan base, you know, you know what I mean with
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff now, because if you just
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: go out cold, it's kind of it's a it's a
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: lot harder to only make people aware of it, but
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: also just to sort of get the attention of you know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: the right piece.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: Well, my fan base is small but intense. I mean
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: I can rattle them off on two hands, so you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: like name by naps. But but it's you know, it's helpful.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: It's very helpful that they're out there too, you know,
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: to champion this stuff. And without them, I probably wouldn't
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: be able to do any of this. Really.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's like they say, a thousand true
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: fans that's all you need.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: Well, it's a low less than that. Maybe one day here,
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: one day a thousand of kids.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: So they've just been closing.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: I know we've been talking for about fifty minutes now,
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: but just in closing, is there anything we need a
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: chance to discuss or anything that you want to say
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: right now? Just to put a period. Then at the
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: end of this whole conversation, Yeah.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: Follow me on Twitter. I'm gonna be doing an interview
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: with Lloyd coming up. So if you have a question
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: you would like me to ask Lloyd you know at
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: me and uh I help bro hopefully bring it up.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: And yeah, just you know, you can see my work
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: cut IMDb, get an idea of what I worked on.
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: If you have any questions, you know, anybody gonna be
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: up on Facebook. I'm always receptive to answering questions and all.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: Of that, and I we'll link to all that in
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: the show notes.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Everybody.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: Everything that David I talked about at Dave Bullus dot com. Twitter,
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: it's at Dave Underscore Bullis. The podcast is at dB podcast.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: David Camfield, I want to say thank you so much
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: for coming on. Man.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: One last thing, you called me David Campfield. Man, No, no,
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: that's that's not a problem. But get this, it's an
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: uncommon name. Clearly, David Camfield, Dave Camfield. These are not
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: everyday names, not John Smith. There's another David Camfield out
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: there who wants to be an actor. Son of a bitch.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: Both of us want to be actors. Both of us
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: are actors. He was in movies, I was in movies.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: And it's very confusing. So if you IMDb David Campfield
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: to get him, you IMDb Dave Camfield to get me.
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: And when it comes to unions and gets even more confusing,
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: all right, you can take David, I can take Dave.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: So there's another David Camfield out there, and he's an
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: actor of all things. I can't believe it. So, yeah,
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: we're friends with each other.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Oh that's good because there's another Dave Bullis out there
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: and he actually has a Twitter, Dave Bullis, because I'm
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: my Twitter's at Dave at Dave Underscore Bulls. So I said,
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: on one day, I said, Hi, I'm Dave, and I said, listen,
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: I think it'd be better for you if we just
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: kind of like swap Twitter names. And I said, you know,
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: if there's something I could do to help you out,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: I said, because people were killing him, they were tweeting
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: him all the time, and finally he you know, he
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: finally responded back like I'm not that Dave bulls this
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: guy blah blah blah. And finally he blocked me one
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: day and I said, like, I tried to help you
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: out here, and like he had like twenty followers. Now
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: he doesn't even use Twitter anymore, and but yeah, he
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: ended up blocking me all because he got angry people
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: were tweeting at him looking for me.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Well that's an impractical response. There's you know, there's at
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: least one percent of the population that's completely unreasonable. So
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: he's one of those. So wonderful talking to you, fellow
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: Dave and podcasting. Yeah, hopefully, Well we'll be speaking again.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we will. Trust me.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: I'm sure our pets will cross at some point.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: But where where are you from? By the way, what state?
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: I'm in, Philadelphia, which is Pennsylvania.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: Well not too far. You know. I just edited a
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: commercial for the Philadelphia Pet Expo, so coming up you'll
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: be able to see dogs and cats living together in massysteria.
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: So actually, seriously, I do I do some uh, I
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: do some part time editing on the on the side,
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: and editing Get Philadelphia Pet Extra is one of my gigs.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: That's that's the fun thing about being a freelancer.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: It's where are you in Jersey?
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: No, I'm on Long Island.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, Long Island. Okay.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: Cool.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: So so it is not snowing where you are?
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: Probably no, you you can let me now. It is
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: how it's snowing though. I just as I said, I'm
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: not kidding when I said I haven't looked at the
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: windows today.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: Oh it's a problem, it's it's it's actually just stopped.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Actually during this podcast, the snow has actually stopped.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: It's not doing anything anymore.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: So uh, probably way, but I've already I've already been
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: outside many times already just to push it all out
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: of the So I'm gonna go do that now. So anyways,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: just just to get the rest of it out of here.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: So Dave again, it's been a blast, and thanks again
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: for coming on.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: And yet well I'm sure we'll talk soon.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
• 57:16
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• 57:21
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• 57:28
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• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Thank you again so much for listening to guys.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: As always, keep that hustle going, keep that dream alive,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: stay safe out there, and I'll talk too soon.
• 57:39
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