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The Pain Behind Mr. Brown's Laughter. with David Mann · Just Heal with Dr Jay

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  Speaker 1: Like before you start with Mr. Brown, is there like
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  Speaker 1: something you do to prepare to get into character or
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  Speaker 1: like what?
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  Speaker 2: Think of the dumbest stuff I can think of. I've
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  Speaker 2: been doing it. Man, I've been doing that character for
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  Speaker 2: 27 years.
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  Speaker 3: How did you create Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Brown?
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  Speaker 3: Or did you just start?
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  Speaker 2: He's an old dude that used to be out in
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  Speaker 2: the country. I was born in the country and love it.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember old dude used to be out in
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  Speaker 2: the country and then just seeing just crazy. Crazy stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the country, everybody ain't dressed to the T.
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  Speaker 2: And literally how it came up for me to start
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  Speaker 2: doing the crazy clothes, I didn't have a wardrobe when
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  Speaker 2: we got ready to shoot the show. When we got
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  Speaker 2: ready to do a play, I literally went down the
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  Speaker 2: street to a thrift store and just loaded up. Just
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  Speaker 2: loaded up. So by the time I came on stage,
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  Speaker 2: you couldn't even see on one of the plays when
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  Speaker 2: I came on stage, Tyler didn't know what I was
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  Speaker 2: coming on. And he looked, he said, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: And And it just, from there, from there, it just
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  Speaker 2: came from there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what, man. You have definitely given Mr. Brown, man. Man,
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  Speaker 3: his outfits, dude, are hideous.
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  Speaker 2: We never could have imagined that doing those characters back
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  Speaker 2: in 1999, that they would still be here. Because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times people grow out of the character.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I done grown into the character. all the way into
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  Speaker 2: the character. But I'm cool. And people, it's not even
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  Speaker 2: David Mann anymore, it's Mr. Brown. Just so they get
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  Speaker 2: the ends right on the chick. Mann, two ends. I'm
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  Speaker 2: through with it.
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  Speaker 3: Man, when you think about your life, David, did you
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  Speaker 3: see any of this?
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  Speaker 2: Man, I couldn't have imagined any of this. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little boy born in Lubbock to a woman
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  Speaker 2: 16 years old. I was her second child.
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  Speaker 3: A second child?
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  Speaker 2: I was her second child. So, you know, statistically saying,
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  Speaker 2: my mom had seventh grade education. So, statistically, this ain't
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be me. I understand that there's nothing but
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  Speaker 2: the favor of God in my life. Nothing but. And
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  Speaker 2: some of the worst things in my life has been
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  Speaker 2: the best things that happened to me in life.
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  Speaker 3: Man, you know, we... Before you.
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  Speaker 1: Came on, we just finished talking with Philip Anthony Mitchell,
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  Speaker 1: and he said the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: He said our character is shaped through our greatest suffering.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And for me, you know, some of the,
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  Speaker 2: even you think in terms of how small things can
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  Speaker 2: shape a big life. Like when we moved, we moved
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  Speaker 2: from Houston to Fort Worth, and I wanted to go,
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  Speaker 2: and this is significant because it shaped my entire life.
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  Speaker 2: We moved from Houston to Fort Worth. I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: go to this one, our rival high school. I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to go to Dunbar, but my mom wouldn't let me.
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  Speaker 2: She made me go to school ODY. And I cried
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  Speaker 2: the entire week that I had to go to school
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  Speaker 2: at ODY because I didn't want to go. Because my
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  Speaker 2: cousin was there, family was there.
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  Speaker 3: The YN was at Dunbar.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And I was going to be, I want to be,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And, you know, the preppy guys and everybody else,
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  Speaker 2: they were at ODY. That being there in the choir class,
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  Speaker 2: in a chorus choir class, shaped my entire career. I
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  Speaker 2: met my wife. through this class. I met Kirk Franklin
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  Speaker 2: through this class.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Darrell Blair, which is our, we were all a
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  Speaker 2: group together.
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  Speaker 3: So y'all was all in one class together? We were.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my wife came as a result of her friend.
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  Speaker 2: I was in a class with her best friend. And
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  Speaker 2: she came and brought her best friend. Her best friend
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  Speaker 2: brought her to come and meet us. And Kirk and
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  Speaker 2: I and another brother, Darrell Blair, we all had a
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  Speaker 2: group together. And we all met. So if I had
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  Speaker 2: gone over to Dunbar... None of this for me.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it was the worst thing. We done moved
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  Speaker 2: from another city. You done got me over to this
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  Speaker 2: other high school. I don't want to be here. And look.
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  Speaker 2: And even moving forward, you know, like I said, with
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  Speaker 2: Kirk Franklin and the family, and when that season was over,
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  Speaker 2: the worst thing that could happen. We traveled the world.
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  Speaker 2: We've lived a life of, we've traveled the world at
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  Speaker 2: somebody else's expense. And he said, We're not going to
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  Speaker 2: be a group anymore. That was the worst thing in life. Like,
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  Speaker 2: we just bought a house. What do we do? How
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  Speaker 2: do we do all of this? It was terrible. Then
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  Speaker 2: we meet this guy that's up and coming, Tyler Perry. Man,
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  Speaker 2: that's the worst thing than the best thing all at
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  Speaker 2: the same time.
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  Speaker 1: You want to talk about, you know, when the Bible
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  Speaker 1: says the steps of a good man are ordered by God.
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  Speaker 3: That is a true example of that, man.
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  Speaker 2: It don't always feel good. but it always worked out
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  Speaker 2: for you good. That, for me, oh, it don't always
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  Speaker 2: feel good. Like even some decisions now, it don't feel good,
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  Speaker 2: but it always works. I was sitting, and I sit
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  Speaker 2: and just talk to the Lord. I'm like, Lord, now
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  Speaker 2: you know. And the Lord just checked me, and this
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  Speaker 2: was a couple weeks ago, just checked me like, have
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  Speaker 2: I ever, have I ever not came through for you?
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  Speaker 2: Because I can call sometimes when you ain't came through
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  Speaker 2: for me, but have I ever not came through for you?
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  Speaker 2: And I just said, well, Lord, okay, what we eating?
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  Speaker 2: What we eating for dinner, Lord?
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  Speaker 3: Man, isn't that a gut punch?
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  Speaker 2: It was a punch in the face. Because I'm sitting
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  Speaker 2: here questioning like, Lord, you already know, so you need
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  Speaker 2: to sit back. Have I ever? Unless you forget, let
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  Speaker 2: me go back. And I literally was looking through some
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  Speaker 2: videos and pictures and my grandkids were involved in a wreck.
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  Speaker 2: And I looked at the car and he said, have
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  Speaker 2: I ever not come through for you? And you look
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  Speaker 2: at this wreck in this car and everybody in the
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  Speaker 2: car should have died. And I guarantee, once I show
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  Speaker 2: you this wreck, everybody, he said, nobody, the worst thing
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  Speaker 2: is somebody broke an arm. And you look at the
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  Speaker 2: car and the car was totally, It rolled over. It
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  Speaker 2: was smashed. He said, had I ever not come through
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  Speaker 2: for you? And I just was like, well, Lord, I'll
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  Speaker 2: be shutting up now. Let me just go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: do this devotional and just be quiet.
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  Speaker 1: And to think, as you were talking, and no disrespect,
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  Speaker 1: because I know we don't talk about people's age, but
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  Speaker 1: your life is so encouraging to me to not only
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  Speaker 1: see it, but to hear it in real time. And
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  Speaker 1: it's encouraging to me because I'm like, man, I'm 44,
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  Speaker 1: you're 60. And I think about like, wow, that's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a long ways off, but it's a ways off.
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  Speaker 2: You're 44, 60 is a long ways off. When you
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  Speaker 2: start thinking about them, yeah, it's a long ways off.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: When you think about it numerically, right, and you're like, okay, so, okay,
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  Speaker 1: 14 from, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because the way time goes.
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  Speaker 2: It's going.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm saying that because I'm thinking about, as
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  Speaker 1: you were talking, I'm saying, God, you come through for
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  Speaker 1: him for 60 years.
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  Speaker 2: And still.
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  Speaker 3: And still. That's encouraging to me, even in this moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You come through for my brother for 60 years.
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  Speaker 2: And I just, you know, I look at my life
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  Speaker 2: sometime and I'm like, Lord, it's, you know, it's just
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  Speaker 2: little old me. How in the world am I winding
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  Speaker 2: up in places where, before kings, before queens, and doing this.
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  Speaker 2: I can remember one time I was on this panel.
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  Speaker 2: I think I told you this before. I was on
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  Speaker 2: this panel with everybody with PhDs and doctorate degrees, and
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  Speaker 2: here go me with my high school diploma. And I'm like, Lord,
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  Speaker 2: how am I sitting up on this stage with these men?
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  Speaker 2: Everybody up here is lettered. I call it they were lettered.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, They graduated magnum cum laude. I'm, oh, thank you, Lord.
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  Speaker 2: They were lettered. And I'm sitting there like, how? He said,
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  Speaker 2: because I've given you favor. And then I verbalized that
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  Speaker 2: to one of the guys. I said, I'm a bit
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  Speaker 2: intimidated because I'm the only one not lettered. He said,
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  Speaker 2: you have something that we don't have. You have life experience.
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  Speaker 2: We got paper. He said, we're going to have to
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  Speaker 2: live to get where you got.
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  Speaker 1: How did it make you feel when he said that?
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, wow, I'm here for a reason.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here because the Lord has placed me here. Because
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  Speaker 2: I can honestly tell you, in my honesty, I was
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  Speaker 2: a bit intimidated. Because it was just like, man, all
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  Speaker 2: these guys have been schooled. He said, you've been schooled too.
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  Speaker 2: You've been schooled through life.
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  Speaker 3: Through life, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like the school of life gives you more.
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  Speaker 1: And not to take it away from getting an education.
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  Speaker 1: All of those different things.
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  Speaker 2: It's needed. Get your education.
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  Speaker 3: And I say that as.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody who holds a degree in every bachelor's, master's, and
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  Speaker 1: doctorate level. But what adds, and I often share this
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  Speaker 1: with my mentees that are coming out of the mental
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  Speaker 1: health space, going into the field of psychology, going into.
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  Speaker 3: The field of social work, or becoming a counselor or
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  Speaker 3: a therapist.
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  Speaker 1: They're so in a hurry to get To the place
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  Speaker 1: that I am because I'm doing this, not realizing what
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  Speaker 1: amplifies my education is because of my life experience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because I can add life in the theory, in the
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  Speaker 1: concepts and understanding. also in the process of giving somebody
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  Speaker 1: something textbook I can take life and implement it in
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  Speaker 1: a way and and and really define it and delineate
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  Speaker 1: it in a way that people says good man I
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  Speaker 1: see myself in this and not feel like, oh, he's
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  Speaker 1: just regurgitating the book.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And see, I never planned on getting into this space,
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  Speaker 2: the space that you and I met in, in the
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  Speaker 2: mental health space.
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  Speaker 3: And I never planned on getting into it.
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  Speaker 2: I never planned on it. It's like, and I even
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  Speaker 2: wonder now, like, how are people calling me to do
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  Speaker 2: podcasts and stuff? I never planned this. I found myself
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  Speaker 2: in this. And my experience showing people how to come
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  Speaker 2: through this is what's led me to all these spaces.
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  Speaker 1: And I think also, too, David, it was your authenticity
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  Speaker 1: when you shared so openly on the Tamron Hall show.
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  Speaker 3: I would never forget that episode.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: You and I hadn't met yet. Okay. And I remember
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  Speaker 3: somebody sending me that episode, and they was like, yo.
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  Speaker 2: You know, every time I think of that episode, it
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  Speaker 2: brings me tears because it was like that was my–
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  Speaker 2: I was so nervous that day. I almost didn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: What made you go there that day and open up
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  Speaker 3: about that?
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  Speaker 2: I told Tam, I said, I have to tell people
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  Speaker 2: because there are so many brothers hurting that are hiding,
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  Speaker 2: hiding from it. And I said, I got to tell it.
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  Speaker 2: But I almost talked myself out minutes before going on there.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, man, you know, people... People are going
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  Speaker 2: to be like, nah, you're too funny to be in
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  Speaker 2: a depressed state. I almost talked myself out of it.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm so glad that I went through because it
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  Speaker 2: helped so many people. I got so much feedback from that.
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  Speaker 2: So many people texting like, thank you for just being transparent.
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  Speaker 2: Now I know what to call. I was at the
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  Speaker 2: Dove Awards, and I'm walking down the hall. This older
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  Speaker 2: white guy, he's probably in his 70s, late 70s. He said,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for putting a name and a face to
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  Speaker 2: what I'm dealing with. He had lost a son and
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  Speaker 2: found himself. He said, I literally, like what you said,
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  Speaker 2: I literally felt like I was drowning. And I just didn't.
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  Speaker 2: He said, I couldn't verbalize it. He said, but thank
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  Speaker 2: you for verbalizing the way I've been feeling. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, okay, it was worth it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to take it a step further. What you
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  Speaker 1: did was put a face to all the comedians.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Who did not have the....
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  Speaker 2: I would say the space. Because I get stuck when
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  Speaker 2: I get there, too. It's like, who didn't have the what?
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  Speaker 2: The space. And, you know, just the place to go
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  Speaker 2: and be safe and say, look, I know I make
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  Speaker 2: you laugh, but when I go back here to this
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  Speaker 2: back room, come on, I'm cracking. I'm about to lose it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm cracking up. And some of them didn't make it.
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  Speaker 2: I look at some that didn't, didn't get that space,
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  Speaker 2: and didn't feel open enough to say, somebody help me.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's all we're crying out for, is to say,
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  Speaker 2: can somebody see me and help me? Or, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like a Dr. J. Barnett, hey, can you give me
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  Speaker 2: some direction on how to get past this thing? And
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  Speaker 2: all it takes is one spark to start a fire.
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  Speaker 2: It's just one spark. I was a spark. I was
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  Speaker 2: a spark that ignited some guy looking at it that
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  Speaker 2: day to say, good, honey, can I talk to you
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  Speaker 2: about this? Yeah, and it opened up a space for
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  Speaker 2: people to talk. That's all I wanted to do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you did that, man, because even as
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  Speaker 1: you was talking just now, I was thinking about Robin Williams.
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  Speaker 3: I grew up watching Robin Williams.
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  Speaker 2: One of the most brilliant slapstick comedians ever. Made the
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  Speaker 2: world laugh. Created, phrased it, nano, nano, all of the
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  Speaker 2: stuff that he created, and he was living in darkness.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't know if he had the space or
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  Speaker 2: the place where he could say, somebody help me. Because
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  Speaker 2: he was so busy giving, he didn't get any help.
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  Speaker 3: The responsibility of laughter.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's great. It's great. I don't want to say
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  Speaker 2: people don't care. People just, if I paid for a
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  Speaker 2: ticket for you to make me laugh, you need to
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  Speaker 2: make me laugh. I never forget, I was on tour
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  Speaker 2: and my grandmother passed. Because I was on tour, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they were supposed to stream the service, you know, because
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't, unless I gave everybody back their money. And so, man,
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  Speaker 2: I literally was, I was in a funk that day.
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  Speaker 2: I was sad. I couldn't make it to the funeral.
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  Speaker 2: And I had the commitment. And I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: got to go out here and make these people laugh
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  Speaker 2: while my heart is burning. My heart is literally crying. I,
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  Speaker 2: before the show, about an hour before the show, I
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  Speaker 2: went and took a nap. And I just cried myself
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  Speaker 2: to sleep. So when I woke up, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how I'm going to do this. I
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  Speaker 2: do not know how I'm about to go out here. Man,
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  Speaker 2: I went out on that stage, and it's like everything.
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  Speaker 2: I said, boo, the audience was rolling. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what it was. Something that night, when I got off
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  Speaker 2: that stage, I was like, here you go again. You
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  Speaker 2: come through every time. Even in my hurting, you still
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  Speaker 2: have given me this ability to bring laughter and joy
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  Speaker 2: and still be transparent. Because I shared with them that
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  Speaker 2: my heart was hurting. But that night, it was like,
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  Speaker 2: can I have one of them nights every night? My
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  Speaker 2: heart was tore up. I could not believe the amount.
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  Speaker 2: It was literally a lady on the front row who
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  Speaker 2: was almost sick from laughing. And I was just sitting
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  Speaker 2: looking at her like, do you understand what I'm dealing with?
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  Speaker 2: And you're rolling, and I'm giving you something that I need.
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  Speaker 2: And it actually helped me that night.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like you felt like.
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  Speaker 1: When a basketball player get in that rhythm, they just
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  Speaker 1: feel like everything they throw up is going in.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like Jordan with the flu. You remember that
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  Speaker 2: Jordan had the flu game? Yeah. Because when I came
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  Speaker 2: off stage, I just, I was in the back crying.
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  Speaker 2: But I felt like Jordan with the flu that night.
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel that? The average man feels that. It's like, man,
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  Speaker 3: I'm hurting, but I still got to come through.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes, yes. I thought they don't have the space,
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  Speaker 2: but yes. I feel like we got to always be on.
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  Speaker 2: We got to make sure that they're provided for. And
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  Speaker 2: if you're a real well-rounded man, you got to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that everybody feels you. And like I said, and
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  Speaker 2: you and I had a conversation before, the number of
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  Speaker 2: people that we encounter a day That we have to be.
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  Speaker 2: Ownful for. Think about it. And it. I just told people.
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  Speaker 2: Just do the math. If. I have five kids. So.
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  Speaker 2: That's a. And I have a wife. That's six people.
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  Speaker 2: Right there. And then I have. Nine grandkids. That you
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  Speaker 2: got to try to make. Everybody feel special. Then I
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  Speaker 2: have a mom. Then I come out and I got Dr. J. Hey, Doc,
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  Speaker 2: how's it going? So think about the number of people
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  Speaker 2: that you have to be on and encounter every day.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Do the math daily. And then try to take care
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: of you. Who do you think is the last one
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: to get taken care of? You. That's why we have
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: got to start making some room. It's okay. And I
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: had to have a conversation the other day. It's okay
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: if you're not at everything. I'm at 60. I'm not
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: going to be at everything. Some days I cannot because
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: you can literally wear yourself out trying to encounter all
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: those people every day. And you only have 24 hours.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: If you've got 25 people and you're trying to get
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: 30 people, 40 people, you could lose yourself. And I
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: literally got lost. I got lost in trying to make sure.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: And now, if I can, great. If I can't, I'll
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: catch you tomorrow.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: How long were you trying to make sure everybody was good?
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: How long have you been in that space?
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I'm writing a book, and you're the first person I've
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: told this. I'm writing a book called I Promise I'm
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Not Crazy.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, man, I love that title. Yeah.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: It's a playoff for me as a comedian. People will say, hey,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: as a comedian, that boy got to be crazy to
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: be that funny. But when we talk about mental health,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the same people are like, that nigga crazy. there's something
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: wrong with you. So it's a playoff of that. And
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I talk about in the book how I somehow, I'm
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: not the oldest, but I somehow got moved to that
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: top position. So I've been helping take care of people
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: since I was probably about 10, 12 years old. So
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: it's all you know to do. That's all I know
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: to do. My mama was a grinder. My mama worked
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: hard to take care of her boys. So she needed
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: somebody at home to make sure Everything was straight. That
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: was me. So I literally have been helping take care
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: of people since early, early. And that's all I know.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: And you know how hard it is to break away?
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: That was the first thing my therapist told me when
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I went to therapy. He said, you've got to learn
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: to be a little selfish. And I was looking at
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: him like, man.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: That's hard.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: That's hard.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: With a black mom?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I said, man, I can't do that. And he said,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you got to learn to be a little more selfish.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: You got to learn to take some time for you.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Because you want to make sure the kids, you go
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: on the grind. And then the guilt from traveling and
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: being away from your kids and being there. So when
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you're there, you try to do all you can do.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: which is never enough. You're never going to be able
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: to do enough for people. You give them $ 100. They
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: wanted $ 150. You go to 10 events, you miss one. Then, oh,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you missed that one. You can never do enough for people.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I had to learn to start doing some stuff for me.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: When you started doing stuff for you, Was it hard
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: for you to really, and I know it's been like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: that for me, right? Like last week, I had a
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: few days, man, where it was like I did nothing
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: but like watch shows. So I got up and did
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: my workout. And I just shared this recently. I've been
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: battling vertigo for like a year and a half. I've
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: always had inner ear issues. I had like 40% of
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: my hearing is going to my left ear since a kid.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I've had holes in my eardrums. I've had tubes in
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and out of my ear for the past, like at
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: least three years in between the age of seven and ten.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: So now that I'm older, fluid builds up easily on
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: my ears.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Especially at certain times of the year.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Certain times of the year. And then I'm flying more
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: than I ever have flown. So those crystals get offline.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: And when they get offline, it causes vertigo, which is
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: off balance, dizziness. nauseousness, all those different things. And I
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: had an episode the other day, bro. I went running,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: did my run, and usually it happens if I'm down
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and I pop up. So I felt it when I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: was walking back to the house and I get in
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the elevator, I grab the package, I go down, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: when I stood up, it's like I just black out.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: It's like I get hit.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: It's like I get hit with like this, it's a
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: weird feeling, like an electric shock. I fall back on
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the elevator. That's all I remember. When I got up,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the elevator was opening on my floor.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So, I'm like, you know, reaching out to my doctor and,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you know, all this stuff, man. And I'm like, and
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: of course, her things always rest.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And She's like, no, Jay, rest like don't do nothing.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Just rest.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: That is hard because now I felt better after I rested.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: But it was so hard to do, man, because I
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: know I'm not lazy. But to sit around for like 10, 12,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: 15 hours and just watch shows.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Imagine trying to do it for like a week.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Like was that hard for you to sit and rest?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It's still hard. Like now, and that's why I bought
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the ranch, to just have a place to go and
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: my wife will say, just do nothing. And for me
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: to just sit and do nothing, like I'm not thinking
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: of the next next, and I'm not thinking.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Man, that's hard, man.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: It is hard, but it's necessary. You know, like I
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: was telling you, when the doctor, I mean, when the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: therapist told me that, he said, take the rest of
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: this day and just do only stuff for you. And
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, okay, so I'm hungry. Usually I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: grab my food and go to the house, and, you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: we sit. I sit there at Chick-fil-A, and I just
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: looked around like by myself, like I felt like a crackhead.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: What we doing? What we got going on, you know?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there with my sandwich, and I sit there
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and just sit there with my phone and just ate.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't have to just engage with nobody. At first
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: it felt weird, and I was like, you're a big
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: boy now. You're going to be all right. I went
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: out to the ranch and spent the night by myself.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I've never lived by myself.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Hold on. So you drove out to the ranch that night?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And spent the night by myself.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: That drive alone.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah. You've been out there.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: So you had a lot of time to think.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: To just think and ride. And she was like, baby,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: you should just go and just stay the night by yourself.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: And see, I've never lived by myself. I moved straight
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: from home. Then me and Tam got together. We lived together.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: So you've never lived by yourself?
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I've never lived by myself. I've never been a bachelor.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Are you serious?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: No.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: In 60 years, Dave, you've never been a bachelor?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I've never lived by myself. Never lived alone.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: You don't know what it's like to be in the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: house and hear something and you're like, it ain't nobody.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Now, I did when I went out to the country
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: to stay by myself. But you know how secluded and
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: isolated it is.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I couldn't have done that.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I did. And I spent the night. I talked
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: to her on the phone. I just was like, wow. Now,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I could only do like, I think I did like
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: a day and a half. You got to bring that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: warm yellow flesh out of here to daddy. I can't
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: be out here by myself now. We got to rub
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: legs or something. But I did. And, you know, I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to be all right. I don't
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: have to be at everything. I don't have to do everything.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And sometimes people don't understand that. Why you can't do this?
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Why you can't do that? I just don't want to.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And it's really hard for me to not do that
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: because I'm a fixer. You give me a problem, let's
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: go fix it. And I've learned it's not for me
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: to fix everything. Because, see, I found myself playing God
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: to people. Oh, yeah. I found myself, oh, don't worry.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Daddy will fix it. Daddy got it. You can't fix everything.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Sometimes people just need to just have a place to talk.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Not for you to fix.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: But, see, me.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to fix it for you.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: We'll be looking for solutions.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: No, it's not for me to fix everything. Sometimes it's
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: just to listen. Just, okay, you finished? Or I'm going
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: back over here to the tractor. Yeah. Damn.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: You know, this is so good, man, because my doctor
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: told me, she's like, you don't slow down, it's not
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: going to be good.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, definitely, for sure. I've definitely learned that lesson, hardcore.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, when you can't do anything I was at
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the Stella Awards, and nobody knew. Doing the Stella Awards,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I told my wife, I'm going to go to the restroom,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and I didn't say anything to her, but I was
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: having some heart problems. I said, okay. So I said, well,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I'm going to just thug it out. I went straight,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: when we got to the house, I went straight to
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: the emergency room. I said, sir, we're going to check
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: you in. We think you may be having a heart attack.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't tell nobody. I didn't let nobody know. I
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: was like, what? Yeah, we need to monitor you. You may.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Thank God I didn't. It was just some abnormal stuff
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: going on. But it's just because just running, just running
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: and not stopping. That's laying up in that hospital bed,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: and I absolutely hate the hospital. But I couldn't go nowhere.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm just sitting there just, okay, well, Lord, I
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: guess you know how to stop all of that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: You know what's crazy? I heard this guy say a
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: man can have 100 problems. But if he has a
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: health problem, that is his only problem.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Yep. You know why? Because we take better care of
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: our cars, especially men. We take better care of our cars.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Let your check engine light come on in your car.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: And you got a bad car? You won't even put
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: low-grade fuel in your car. But we'll put everything in.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I'm the pot calling the kettle black. I'm speaking to
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: me as I speak to you guys. The check engine
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: come on, we immediately make it. You let us have
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: some heart issues or something. I got to go into
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: work first. Let me work these 10 shifts. Yeah. So
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: we got to start taking better care of ourselves. Because
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you only get one of these unless you can get
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: some transplants. Give me a 16-year-old heart and lungs. I'm good.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I don't want that. But cars, you're going to get
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: several cars. You're going to get cars. But I don't
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: know why we take better care of our vehicles than
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: we do of our bodies.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Brothers, do y'all hear that?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Why do we take better care of our cars than
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: we do our bodies? And I think it's something to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: add to that is that why do you value something
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that is perishable, right? Something that.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: And replaceable.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: And replaceable. Why do you value that over your own life?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And then why do you value that over the quality
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: of your life? Because I think What is happening to
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: black men, and you and I talk a lot about
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: aging men, right, particularly for males that are 50 plus,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and what they're saying right now, men are not getting older,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: they're transitioning.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, quickly.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: They're not aging, they're transitioning quickly.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Transitioning quickly.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And there's something to be said about a man who
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: has the awareness, but then also who has the courage
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to acknowledge that I'm not well, but to go explore
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: why he's not well.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: And I think that that comes from us having these
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: conversations to let them know that they're not alone. Because
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you've got to remember, we've been conditioned to be that way.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: We've been conditioned, hey, thug it out. Go on to work. Provide.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Don't share your emotions. Don't cry. We've been just prone
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: to just like, this is how it is, and this
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: is how it's always going to be.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: And to have these conversations like this, it tells other men, okay,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I can take off my cape, my Superman cape, and
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I can relax. And I can be open and I
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: can be vulnerable. And there are spaces like this that
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: give me some places to go.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Because, you know, brothers, I'll be honest with you, man.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: That cape is killing us.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: God.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: The cape is the death of most of us.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Man, that cape is killing us, man.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Because we won't take it off because we feel if
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: we take it off, it speaks about us as a man.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And that does not, that whole thing, that's not your character.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: If you have a moment of being vulnerable, that doesn't
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: define you as a man, being vulnerable. My wife told
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: me that at my lowest point and when I was
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: my most vulnerable, that's the strongest she's ever seen me.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: And when she said it, I was like, that got
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: to be the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: But you think about it, she said to her that
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: was the strongest she's ever seen. It's to just, you
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: don't have to fix nothing. Let us take care of you.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: And my daughter Tiffany said, you hid it well, but
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: it's not hidden anymore. It's out here. Now let us
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: help you.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: How was that, receiving help?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Hard. It's hard to receive help with you.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Is it still hard for you to receive?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like for people, even this couple in the restaurant
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the other day, They say, well, your food has been
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: paid for. And I looked over and looking around and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a couple like, hey, why you do that? I'm used
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: to doing that for people. And the Lord just convicted me,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: let people do some stuff for you too. I'm like, Lord,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you just been hard on me.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: What did I do?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: But it is hard for me to receive help like
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: that because I've always been And I don't say this
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like I'm the Savior, but I've played the Savior. And
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes receiving help, sometimes it's almost like, am
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I helpless?
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Do I look helpless? Do I look hopeless? Yeah, yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I know for me, like even for somebody that like,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: when I was, like there was a time I was
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: in a relationship with a young lady.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Man, she was such a giver.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And at that time, for one, I couldn't wrap my
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: mind around, you're giving something to me and I haven't
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: done anything.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: That was really messing with me because, oh, I just
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: want to do this. And I'm like, well, why?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: And I think for men, if.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: We're going to truly evolve within ourselves, learning how to receive.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Well is important.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: It is very important.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Because you will build your framework around doing and reward.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Rather than understanding being is the reward.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Wow. Even like me, like after I came out of
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the hospital, there was a period that I had to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: just lay there. And for Tam to have to serve me,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I really enjoy serving her.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Like when she had double knee replacement, she's a thug.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: She had double knee replacement. both at the same time.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: So I was at home. I was, like, happy to serve. Like,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: what do I need to do now?
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: We going to walk?
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: What do I need to cook? When the tables were turned,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want you serving me like that.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Let me get up.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And she had to tell me, lay down. Let me
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: do what you do for me. Why is it so
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: hard for you? Why is it so hard for you
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to just receive? And I honestly didn't have an answer.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't know. I'm just so
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: used to it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Man, it's so hard.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Just lay back.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: So hard. I got a phone call earlier like, hey,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: what you need?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to send something over there to the shoot today.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, we good.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: And you know you wasn't good.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: You know you're hungry. I know I wasn't good. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I literally picked up my phone and ordered food. I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is. And I'm trying to break that.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's something that can be broken.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: It is. It is. Brothers, and it's just plain and simple. Brothers,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: just let people help you through. What I've learned, and
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I haven't been a good business steward because I think
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I got to put the lights on, fix the toilet,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: do this. I think I got to just try to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: do everything. And this last couple years, I've learned to delegate.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: But you don't have to micromanage nobody. This is what
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: they do. Let them do it. And my team has
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: been great about just like, No disrespect, sir. Let us
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: do what you pay us to do.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: And I think for me, bro, it's like, man, dude,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I can do this.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: And sometimes CJ has been really, I've learned a lot
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: from CJ about serving because I do it. Like my
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: best friend, when he goes on the road to preach,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I carry Bible. I'm his armor bearer. Oh, I love
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to do it. And then when I'm on the road,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: he does the same thing for me. But now, sometimes
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: too it is crazy because we both struggle with that
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: yeah because i'm carrying this bag and um just recently
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: he was speaking somewhere and these people was on him
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: i said hey brother we gotta get you out of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: here man come on i'm like a real security like
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: and you know but when the tables is turned and
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: i was getting ready to minister at this space and
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: uh he was walking up on the podium to set
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: my laptop up and i said no.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: I got it but i do it he said Just chill.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: And he hit me with, nigga, sit down.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Right now.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Like, I got this.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I absolutely love.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I love serving, man.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I love serving. And there's nothing wrong with that, but
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: allow people to serve you back. I think that's where
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of us have a hard time is just
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: allowing people to serve you.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something I'm working on. And I'm also working on, man,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: learning how to be loved.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I know how to be loved. I done
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: learned that. Make love to my girl. Now, love, there's
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: a difference. There's a difference. And I do know since
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: the tour, we went on tour, I kind of felt
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: like there was a shift.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Man, let me tell you something. And I got to
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: tell you this on camera. That tour changed my life, man.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I came back and I told CJ, I told several
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: other people, I said, I've gone around the world teaching healing.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I've gone around the world helping people understand mental health,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: understand their disorders, understand what resources that are available to them.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: But I said in the midst of doing all of that,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I was very avoidant to being open for love and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: very avoidant to allowing myself to experience that.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. And when I saw you guys, man, on those cities, man. Wow.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Bro, I literally, I told CJ, I said, bro, I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: want to experience that, man. Bro, I'm like, I'm being
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: so honest, man. I was not, I told God, I said, listen, man.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I said, I've gotten to a place where I'm disciplined
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: in my sexuality. I ain't going to be out here.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: You'll get some. You'll get some. Everybody gets some.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: We even beat Oprah and handed out meat. No meat service.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: That tour was one of the most gratifying tours. We're
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: talking about the love and relationship tour. It's because we
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: wanted to explore all relationships, whether it was a relationship
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: with the Lord, a relationship with your father, mother, husband,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: and wife. And, man, that was just an opportunity for us.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I believe that that's our next phase in life. That's
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: our next thing is to– that's where– we're ultimately going
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: to plant our feet.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: That's a good place to plant, bro.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: That's where we're going to plant our feet is because
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: it's lost. And I don't care what society say, love
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: is not dead. The black family is not dead. Now,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: it's had its little moment where it, but I believe
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: that all it takes, like I said earlier, all it
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: takes is a spark. And I heard so many couples
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: say that. I had a young man approach me in D.C.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: He said, man, I didn't really want to come to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: the tour. And I said, well, why? He said, because,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: you know, my wife and I kind of, you know.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: And he said, that listening to you guys and listening
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: to your guests, it reignited. It made me say, okay,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: this is possible. And I'm not trying to, you know,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: because I know some people are like, you bring false
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: hope to, no. I'm just showing it's possible.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Man, you, you, you. Y'all show that. And I think
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: what I was telling people, I was like, man, these
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: people like each other, man.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: We like each other.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I tell you, I've been around a lot of couples, baby.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I've, I've seen people who love each other. I'm like, yeah, she,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: she love him, but she can't stand him. He love her,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: but she can't, he can't stand her. When I was
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: around you guys, I said, man, they love each other.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you what did it for me.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: When you was telling me the story, uh, when we
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: was in the shed and you was talking about, um,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: before Tamela got started on her music career, and you
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: was talking about what you saw for her. And you
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: said she gets to go out and go on stage.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: And you said, you know how you see a duck
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: on top of the water?
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: And he's just doing this underneath his feet. And you said, man,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I'm the feet underneath her.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Bro, when you, because I have such a, man, my
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: memory is just crazy. My dad, he don't like it
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: because it's like, why you got to remember all this stuff?
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: But there's things, I've never forgot that, man.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: And I said, to experience that with somebody, man, that's
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: got to be beautiful.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: And that's my job. She can glide on water smoothly
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: because under the water, I take on. And that's something
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: that we share. Now she's starting to flip that word.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: You don't have to do all of that as we go.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: We built this. Now you can let me do some.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: She'll come into the meetings now. So now my paddle's
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: a little slower, so we both can go smooth. But
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: we both do that for each other. I mean, we
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: both make sure life is good for each other. Now,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: we have this little thing that you can't beat me.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: You can't do for me more than I've done for you.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: And I definitely make sure. I make sure I outdo her.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: But she's also trying to catch up. I'm just at
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: a point in life, man, to where we definitely have
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: to make sure that we're loving each other equally. Because
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I see that too. You see a couple and it'll
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: be like, here it is. I don't want that to
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: be for my wife. When my wife see me, when
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: she see me coming, look at her face. Here comes daddy. Oh,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: here comes daddy. You look at her face. And look
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: at mine. That's the way that should be. And that's
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: what we try to do. And we try to show.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Because I know I got a phone call even on you.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what y'all did to him on that tour.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: But something changed. I talked to him. I ain't going
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: to say who it was. But it was like.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: It changed me, man.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: It changed me. It changed the way I experienced myself.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Because I was looking at life like the mental health
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: thing was something that God placed me in.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I know football.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I would have been a great coach had I went
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that route because I love the game of football and
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I'm very attentive to details. And then football is a
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: game of schemes. I love to think. I love to think.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: And so being in this space of mental health and
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: always having to be theoretically, always having to be very
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: systemically on how you process people's pain and how you,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: you know, move them out of it. I started to
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: see life like that. And by me seeing life like that,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, let me put love
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: over here.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And not realizing that that is probably part of it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: That is probably one of the greatest power of healing
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: is love.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: You just made me think of something and it made
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: my eyes water. I definitely can honestly say I probably
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be here had it not been for my wife.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: So love saved you?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Man, when I'm telling you the way that woman prayed
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: for me when I was going through that and every
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: time I talk about it, it makes me get this
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: way because I remember the night that she was like
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: just lay here and She would just lay there with me,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: and she would just pray. No, it's just like, let
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: me just pray for you. If you need an open
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: space to talk. Because my wife, she hadn't been a
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: big talker. And so I just saw good. I don't
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: have to talk about it with you. But once I
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: opened up to her, she'll check me. Every once in
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: a while, she'll come, how are you? And I'm good. No,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: how are you up here? Oh, okay, you're talking about
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: up there. Today may not be the best day. My man, she,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that woman sit there. I don't know what she was
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: doing to me. You know, sometimes you get sad. She
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: probably do a little kiss on the neck. Wait a minute, girl. No.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: You get about all your pain.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: But, no, she, love saved me. Love really did. And
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad, I'm so grateful that I'm able to
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: experience this. And I tell people all the time, This
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: is not so far-fetched that it can't happen for you.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: You just have to be open to it. That's all
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: you have to be open to. And I'm not saying
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: that there's not going to be heartbreak. There's going to
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: be heartbreak. But there are certain things that we don't
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: succeed in. We don't just totally, you know. You get
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: fired from a job. You don't stop working the way I'm,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Well, my question, did you know your wife was going
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: to be that type of woman?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't know, but I could see the type of
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: woman she was.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: How would you be able to identify that for some man?
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of young men that are watching
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: this that, you know, this thing right.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Now, a lot of men don't want to be married,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: and they're opting out.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I had a daughter already, and my
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: little test was I have And it was so cruel.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: I'm telling y'all this was cruel before I say it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I bring a girl over and I got my daughter.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: And first thing I want to see is how she
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: interact with my daughter. I give my daughter to her.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: And my daughter was the test. My daughter was looking like, okay,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: all right, I'll holler at you later. I was literally
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: doing that. Like how they interact with my daughter. If
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: they was trying to, hey, no, you trying to, oh,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you the claw. Claw yourself right
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: onto your car. And I just seen the way Tam
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: interacted with my child. It wasn't just like, hey, I'm here.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Come on, I'm just here to nurture you. Here, okay,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: go back to your daddy. It was not, she wasn't
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: forcing it. It was just like, you know, we were
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: just friends. We were strictly friends. And that's what I
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: think has saved our marriage as well. Because we started
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: our relationship as friends. We were homeboy, homegirl friends. She
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: knew the little ladies in my life. And she would
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: often tell me, you know you ain't right for that.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: You need to stop. Don't do that girl like that.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Don't do that.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The woman who wound up my wife would tell me,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be doing that. And I just started to
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: see traits in her like, this is forever. Because you
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: could tell if somebody is temporary or forever. You could
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: tell if somebody is temporary.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: And I just looked at her like, If I get
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: involved with her, that's going to be forever.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Did that scare you?
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that means you've got to lay down your
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: player card. You've got to throw it away. It scared me,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: but that's what I wanted. My mom didn't have successful marriages.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Her mom didn't have successful marriages. So I knew once
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I said I do, I wanted to just, that was
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: it for me. I only want to be married once. No,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you got divorced, that's fine. You can
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: still find love and find that forever. But I only
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: want to do it once. And I had to find
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: that person who God has put here for me. I
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: always tell her, the Lord put me here specifically for you.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: He put me here specifically for you, and you here
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: specifically for me. I believe that. I believe that. To
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: death do us part. Not till we kill each other
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: do us part like some couple, but to death do
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: us part. Yeah, and I believe that.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Man, when I tell you your story, every time I
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: hear you guys talk or hear you talk about how
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: you guys start off friendships, but I think the most
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: beautiful thing for me is to see what you guys
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: have built.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Together.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Together. And to see that, man, like, the thing is
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I couldn't have built it without her and she couldn't
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: have built it without me it was like the match
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: of this is how it was meant to be I
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: definitely married to somebody else I would have probably grinded
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: and tried to make some stuff and she probably would
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: have grinded but it would not have been like this
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I know it wouldn't have been like this because just
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: the things that The Lord put together. You ever seen
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: the little cartoon, The Wanda Twins? We were just made.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: It's like The Wanda Twins. We were made for each
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: other like that. And I just know that that's just
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the grace of God on us, man. It has been
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: nothing but the grace of God, man. We've had an
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: opportunity to be in a music space that changed the
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: culture of the way that they do gospel music. We've
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: had an opportunity to be a part of the mogul
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: movement who changed the way people do television and movies.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: And it was like, how in the world do two
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: people from Fort Worth, Texas, living in Stop 6 Eastwood area,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the two of those people get to become a part
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: of stuff that shaped culture?
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And to be as legendary as you got.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Because there's no way you can go in the world
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: and nobody don't know Mr.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Brown.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: And for me, I forget. I just be like, I'm
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: in the store. Where your security? For what? What we
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: need security for? It's just nothing but the grace of God, man.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like in this season of your life,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: are you able to look back and just be in awe?
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Because I'm sure you're being very reflective in these days.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: At 60, yeah. You know, they gave Tam and I
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: icons of the culture, and we were like, why are
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: they doing this? For what? And then they played the video.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I think it was us, Pharrell, LL Cool J, and
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Bobby Brown were all on it that night. And I
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: was like, these guys are legends. They're icons. And they
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: started showing the stuff. They started going down. And I
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: didn't realize we had done all of that. I just
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: was like, we've been grinding. We got in this to
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: take care of, to feed our family and to be
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: like icons of the culture. I couldn't even talk because
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I was just so blown away. I just stood there
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: and cried for like two minutes. And then we, I
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: don't need, I couldn't say nothing because I'm like, I
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: don't consider myself like an icon of the culture. I'm
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: just trying to feed all these kids and grandkids and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: make sure everybody good and take care of mama and them.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's nothing but the grace of God.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I keep saying it. Nothing but the grace of God.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Nothing but.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Man, brother, I always enjoy our time. There's a question
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: that I asked on the podcast. This is just here
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: with Dr. J, healing in real time. When you think
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: about the word healing, what does that mean for you?
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Peace. Peace of mind. Mine have come in the last
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: two to three years. Wow. This is another thing I
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: was in Tamil that had to pray for me. I
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: used to be tormented and agonized in my sleep. It
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: would be just tormented. I would wake up fighting and
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: doing all of this and I don't know where it
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: came from. I don't know what it was a result of.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: But just healing. Healing. And just finding peace and finding
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: that space and that place. Because they're different. Finding a
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: space mentally and finding a place. I find my place
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: when I go out to the ranch. But my space
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: is where I mentally shut down everything and all of
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: this and find a space for me to just say,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: let me take care of me. Let me make sure.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: That's my space. Now I find a place where I
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: can go. You've seen my refuge. Find the space and
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: the place. to find your peace?
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Listen, finding a space and a place to find your
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: peace and to find your healing.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Healing can mean a myriad.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Of different things for so many different people depending on
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: your healing journey. And as you heard David talk about
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: his marriage, his family, learning how to do for him
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Healing is not easy, but what healing does take is openness.
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  Speaker 1: As you talked about being open to receive love, being
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  Speaker 1: open to live in love, being open to love.
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  Speaker 3: It all takes openness. And I don't know where you
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  Speaker 3: are in your life, and maybe.
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  Speaker 1: You close your heart, you close your mind, and you
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  Speaker 1: kind of close yourself off from people. You can't heal
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  Speaker 1: without community. It's only in community that we find others
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  Speaker 1: to bear witness, not just to your pain, But also
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: you find people that can bear witness to your recovery,
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  Speaker 1: to your betterness, to your overall mental health.
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  Speaker 3: Because without community, our mental health would be compromised. We
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  Speaker 3: need each other.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that you find your tribe, find your people,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: find your community, find somebody to join with and take
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the healing journey. Listen, this has been great talking with
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  Speaker 1: my great brother, great friend, David Mann. Listen, they have
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: a show on YouTube called- Man Family Dinner. Man Family Dinner.
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  Speaker 1: On Man TV, yeah. On Man TV. It's a great show.
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  Speaker 1: I just had the opportunity to be a part of
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  Speaker 1: it and all the things. And I've always watched the
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  Speaker 1: reruns of the Meet the Browns, man. And, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just every- Listen, brother, I'm telling you this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to give you your flowers because I'm not
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  Speaker 3: going to be at your funeral talking. I ain't going
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  Speaker 3: to do that. I'm going to get up there and clown.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what everybody, they know they have a good time.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm going to give you your flowers and say
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  Speaker 1: you are more iconic now for the work that you're
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  Speaker 1: doing than for the work that you did.
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  Speaker 3: Because we're not seeing Mr. Brown. We're not just seeing
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  Speaker 3: a character.
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  Speaker 1: We're seeing the man that you are and the man
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  Speaker 1: that you have become. And I also want to give
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  Speaker 1: you your flowers for aging well, black man.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. To be 60 and to.
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  Speaker 1: Be looking as well as you do and to take
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  Speaker 1: care of yourself. And there are so many different partnerships
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  Speaker 1: that you have that we've talked about, men, wellness, and
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  Speaker 1: health care, and getting better and all that. But to
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  Speaker 1: see you taking your own advice and taking care of yourself, man,
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  Speaker 1: it's encouraging to see, brother.
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  Speaker 2: And thank you for having a space and a place
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  Speaker 2: that we can come and share. And then you can
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: just have the paperwork, the letters, to be lettered and
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: show those guys, This is how you do it. And
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  Speaker 2: also have the experience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, sir.
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  Speaker 2: And have the experience to just say, look, bro, let's heal.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's heal.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Let's heal, bro.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Until next time, guys. Remember, healing is a journey and
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: wholeness is the destination. And I'm Dr. J. And this
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: is another episode of Just Heal with Dr. J where
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  Speaker 1: we are healing in real time.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Man, we always have just some good conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I just love conversation.
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I sent you that text message. I'm
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: going to drag you in there. That's a brand partner
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  Speaker 2: that we're doing. I was like, man, I told Sherry
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  Speaker 2: that handles our brand partner stuff. I said, I got
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: to have Dr. J if I do that. I said,