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Beautiful 28-year-old mom of twins and baby, all found dead, bodies 'stacked' in master bathtub. Why? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Murder is murder is murder, right? I disagree because in
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Speaker 1: this case, a young woman, a mom, twenty seven year
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Speaker 1: old Brandy Peters, is murdered, no doubt about it, but
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Speaker 1: also murdered her three little children, twin girls aged six
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Speaker 1: and a baby boy just three years old. There were
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Speaker 1: many times in front of a jury I did not
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Speaker 1: know how I could get through testimony or an opening
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Speaker 1: or a closing without crying. I did it for a
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Speaker 1: few times. I would ask to leave the courtroom, would
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Speaker 1: take a recess to compose myself. But I gotta tell you,
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Speaker 1: this case is tough, but I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: the evidence. Nancy Gray's Crime Stories Crime Stories with Nancy Graith.
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Speaker 1: It's some news that shook this Tallahassee neighborhood. We had
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Speaker 1: a neighbor who called us out of concern, and we
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Speaker 1: responded to try and look around the house and so forth,
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Speaker 1: and that's when we discovered device a woman along with
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Speaker 1: her three kids, all found dead inside of their house
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Speaker 1: here on the nine hundred block of Shuttle Creek Run Road.
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Speaker 1: The mother and her kids, six year old, twin girls
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Speaker 1: and a three year old little boy, police say, are
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Speaker 1: now victims of foul play does appear to be violence involved.
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Speaker 1: David McCraney with the Tallahassee Police Department says what exactly
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Speaker 1: happened still remains a mystery. Police spent much of the
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Speaker 1: day collecting evidence to try to figure that out. As
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Speaker 1: we go into this scene, it's very expansive, a lot
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Speaker 1: of detail involved to make sure that we don't miss
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Speaker 1: anything or mistake. So things are a little slow right now.
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Speaker 1: The progress is being made. N craney says only the
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Speaker 1: four lived inside of the house. He says they're now
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Speaker 1: speaking with relatives and other acquaintances to find out what
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Speaker 1: other relationships the family may have had. Please say they're
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Speaker 1: now working with the State Attorney's office to gather the
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Speaker 1: evidence they need, but say maybe some time before they
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Speaker 1: figure out what happened. I can't get over it. Twins
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Speaker 1: aged six, Tamaya and Tenaya, Javante h three and mom
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Speaker 1: Brandy all dead. A gruesome crime scene that police investigators
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Speaker 1: CSI are still reeling from the memories. I mean, is
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Speaker 1: he grace? This is crime stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us with me an all star panel. Jason Oceans,
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Speaker 1: veteran defense attorney, joining me from New York Stephen Lampley, detective,
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Speaker 1: author of Outside Your Door at Stephen Lampley dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffe ellis my Sparring partner, psychologist, adjunct professor,
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Speaker 1: Columbia University, a renowned medical examiner, doctor Chris Sperry, retired
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Speaker 1: Chief medical Examiner for the entire state of Georgia, and
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Speaker 1: no stranger to the courtroom and cross examination. But right
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Speaker 1: now to crime online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page, Levi, this,
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Speaker 1: in my mind sounds like a scenario that you would
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Speaker 1: hear about in another country, a third world country, where
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Speaker 1: a whole family is just wiped out. It's overwhelming. Especially
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Speaker 1: what gets to me the twins, Tamaya Tanaya just six
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Speaker 1: years old and the little three year old all dead.
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Speaker 1: Tell me, let's just start at the beginning, Levi Page,
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Speaker 1: and tell me what led police to the location. So Nancy,
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Speaker 1: neighbor in this very quiet community in Tallahassee, Florida, found
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Speaker 1: blood coming out from the front door of a home
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Speaker 1: and they called nine and law enforcement responded to her.
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Speaker 1: A horrific scene. As you mentioned, blood splatterer was everywhere,
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Speaker 1: Bullet holes brittled this home, and there was a violent murder.
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Speaker 1: Thirty eight year old Brandy Peters was shot. Investigators also
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Speaker 1: believe she was beat with a large object, and her
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Speaker 1: three children were also found dead. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Speaker 1: White You just told me something new I didn't know. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you're telling me there was shooting and bludgeting. Yes, she
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Speaker 1: was beat beat with a large object. Okay, that really
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Speaker 1: changes things for me. Motive death is extremely important. Let
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Speaker 1: me go to doctor Chris Sperry, former Chief Medical Examiner,
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Speaker 1: State of Georgia, because it's one thing. For instance, do
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Speaker 1: a home invasion and you want something whatever that may
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Speaker 1: be in that home, and you gun everybody down and
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Speaker 1: you high tell it. But it's a different scenario, and
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna have to go to doctor Debbie
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Speaker 1: Joffee Ellis after Sperry, because it's it's a psychological element
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Speaker 1: when you have close contact. Is I've called it in
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Speaker 1: the past sweetheart killing. Not that there's anything sweet about
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Speaker 1: a murder, but there's an intimate contact when you're close
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Speaker 1: enough to your victim, you're two feet away from them,
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Speaker 1: that you are bludgeoning them or pushing them down. That's
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Speaker 1: a whole different mindset of killing and it leads me
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Speaker 1: to the killer. Doctor Chris Sperry, if someone is shot dead,
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Speaker 1: how do you also find bludgeoning evidence and what does
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Speaker 1: that mean to you? Well, we rarely find bludgeoning. You know.
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Speaker 1: Shooting is very quick, convenient expedience and takes care of business.
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Speaker 1: But bludgeoning somebody requires just as you said, close contact
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Speaker 1: and you know, the fear too that the victim may
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Speaker 1: overpower the assailant or there could be a plug struggle
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Speaker 1: something like that. To have bludget and combined with a
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Speaker 1: gunshot wound really strongly suggests to me that there's a
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Speaker 1: relationship between the two people sometimes of the type of
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Speaker 1: emotional bond that has gone awry and the perpetrator is
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Speaker 1: really going overboard excessively to hurt the victim and hurt
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Speaker 1: them badly and to make sure they are dead. You
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Speaker 1: know interesting that you said that because the mom in
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Speaker 1: this scenario, Brandy, was shot eight times. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, take a listen to the medical examiner, doctor
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Speaker 1: Lisa Flanagan. Your head where that basically where I would
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Speaker 1: see found it, not the siderhead here. This is all
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Speaker 1: crushed in and fracture and the right as it goes.
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Speaker 1: These are diagrams of the right and left sides of
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Speaker 1: her head. The upper all the right, the right cider head.
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Speaker 1: There are several lacerations and this dagger also shows a
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Speaker 1: gust shot right here. Several lacerations and the brain was
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Speaker 1: actually exposed. How does that happen? Doctor Sperry, Well, from
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Speaker 1: multiple of very hard blows from a very very hard object,
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Speaker 1: skull is not only cracked, but it's crushed and um
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Speaker 1: the underlying brain is also crushed and disrupt disrupted. And
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Speaker 1: so with multiple overlapping blows like this, damage is so
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Speaker 1: great that the brain is exposed. And the brain is
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Speaker 1: very very soft too, so it doesn't take much to
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Speaker 1: start fragmenting the brain, but to get there is more
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Speaker 1: a lot more work. So there was multiple multiple blows
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Speaker 1: that were expanded on this for young lady's head. Okay,
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Speaker 1: listen to more of the medical examiner, doctor Lisa Flanagan
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Speaker 1: explaining about defensive wounds on mom Brandy. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: the fight she put up to save her three children.
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Speaker 1: She had significant injuries on her hands. There there were
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Speaker 1: fractures two fingers on his side and a fracture of
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Speaker 1: her middle finger and the tip of her left little
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Speaker 1: finger was partially amputation. There were abrasions on the facts
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Speaker 1: of her fingers, and there's a skin terror cism. We
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Speaker 1: use the term offense type injuries because when someone is
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Speaker 1: fighting off an attacker and they're trying to protect their body,
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Speaker 1: they put their hands up or their put their arms.
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Speaker 1: Then in their afflifting, the soon is trying to protect
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Speaker 1: their body. What is it we will call to fense
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Speaker 1: type woles defensive wounds. What do we mean by that?
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Speaker 1: Let me go to Stephen Lampley, detective or they're outside
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Speaker 1: your door. What's your your interpretation of defensive wounds, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It's anything that somebody would do to protect themselves or
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Speaker 1: their family. For instances, if an an life attack or
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Speaker 1: in a gun attack, they might put their hands up
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Speaker 1: an effort to deflect the blows or the knife, and
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Speaker 1: then you would receive wounds on the palm or the
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Speaker 1: underside of your arm. Things like that is what we're
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Speaker 1: looking for. Those are typically defensive wounds. It was so bad.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Jackie Howard here in this
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Speaker 1: with Dave Mack telling me one of her fingers was
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Speaker 1: actually gone to doctor Chris Sperry. I remember the first
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Speaker 1: time I ever heard the words defensive wounds. I was
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Speaker 1: in college and undergrad. I knew nothing about crime, you know.
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Speaker 1: I was just fat, dumb and happy living my life,
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Speaker 1: no idea about what was going on in the world.
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Speaker 1: And I remember hearing about a shooting and it must
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Speaker 1: have been in Valdosta, where where I went to college
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Speaker 1: for a little over a year, where a woman held
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Speaker 1: a hand up as someone came entered her home. She
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Speaker 1: was sitting on her bed, held her hand up, and
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Speaker 1: the bullet that would have hit her in the head
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Speaker 1: hit her in the hand and went through I think
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Speaker 1: her chin instead. A defensive wound. I remembered the first
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Speaker 1: time I heard the phrase defensive wound. Doctor Chris Sperry,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you will recall a murder case I tried
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Speaker 1: in inner City Atlanta of a millionaire's wife who ostensibly
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Speaker 1: died of smoke inhalation, but was covered in defensive wounds,
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Speaker 1: even on her knees. Explain how you can determine whether
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Speaker 1: bruises are defensive wounds or not. Well. Defensive wounds are
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Speaker 1: in locations where a person would raise their hands, raise
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Speaker 1: their arms, or say if they're laying on their back,
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Speaker 1: even raise their feet or legs, try to ward off
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Speaker 1: blows or you know, keeping the sailing from striking the hand,
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Speaker 1: the face or the body. And so when you see
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Speaker 1: injuries like this on the hands or the wrists of forearms,
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Speaker 1: on the knees, on the legs of feets that are
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Speaker 1: out of context, you know, they really don't have another
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Speaker 1: piece of explanation. In the over the course of the
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Speaker 1: whole of salts, the possibility of defensive wounds becomes very
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Speaker 1: very strong, and especially also depending on how the person
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Speaker 1: is attacked as well. If it's an if a cutting instrument,
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Speaker 1: a club of all that, that's you know, it's very
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Speaker 1: unusual for the assailant to get your one strike and
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Speaker 1: incapacitate the person. It's usually an onslaught of blows and
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Speaker 1: the victim is raising their hands, raising their legs, and
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Speaker 1: you know, if they're on their ground, I've seen the
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Speaker 1: business rooms on the bottles of people's feet just from
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Speaker 1: when they're on the ground trying to push away the
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Speaker 1: assailants that instead receiving blows on their feet. So it really,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a part of the totality of
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Speaker 1: looking at the case and you're separating out injuries that
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Speaker 1: are thence soing to be lethal and injuries that have
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Speaker 1: another explanation. Time story with Nancy Grace. Law enforcement officers
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Speaker 1: responded to the sat A Creek run home on November
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Speaker 1: twenty two ten. Law enforces from Officers respond, they get
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Speaker 1: a call. I was actually Artron Timmins who went up
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Speaker 1: there first to do a check because if mom calls
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Speaker 1: him and tells them to go look for they haven't
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Speaker 1: heard anything from Brandy Peters that day. He walks up
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Speaker 1: and sees blood outside the home, calls law enforcement, auser
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Speaker 1: journe again. Officer Kid respond first and foremost, and they
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Speaker 1: approached the home. They go into the home and they
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Speaker 1: were able to force entry by breaking a window and
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Speaker 1: they realized what was happening there. They're later joined by
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Speaker 1: Sean Wyman, officer tell Heiss Police Department, and they go
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Speaker 1: into the home and they found what you've already seen.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing Florida Asa John Fuchs describing what happened
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Speaker 1: in the home of Brandy Peters, just twenty seven years old.
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Speaker 1: Brandy Peters dead, twins aged six, Tamaya, Tanaya, and a
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Speaker 1: little three year old sibling all dead, but why back
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Speaker 1: to leave I page Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: So a neighbor contacts police, Police get there. Then what
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Speaker 1: happens and they discovered the bodies Nancy Brandy Peters. She
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Speaker 1: was shot. Her twins, Tamia and Tania were killed in
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Speaker 1: different ways. Tamia was shot and Tania was drowned. Also
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Speaker 1: drowned was kay whoa Only wait a minute, now, this
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Speaker 1: is getting crazy. We've got three modes of death. That
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Speaker 1: tells me a lot about the killer. A home in
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Speaker 1: truder would just ship. First of all, it's doubtful to
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Speaker 1: me that a home in truth there was no forest century,
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Speaker 1: no forced century into the home. A home intruder would
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Speaker 1: just a home invader would come in. Very rarely do
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Speaker 1: you see them killed children. Now, we did see the
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Speaker 1: in the DC mansion murders, but typically a home invader,
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Speaker 1: a home intruder does not kill children. Statistically, when you
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Speaker 1: see dead children murdered children, there is typically a closer
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Speaker 1: connection or it's sex related. Also, when you have a
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Speaker 1: home invader, you don't see three modes of death. Jason Oceans,
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Speaker 1: a veteran defense attorney, no stranger to a courtroom. You've
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Speaker 1: got shooting you've got bludgeoning and now two of the
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Speaker 1: children were drowned. That is a personal connection. It defies
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Speaker 1: statistics of home invaders. You're correct, Nancy. It shows, you know,
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Speaker 1: either a crime of passion to someone the victims new
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Speaker 1: or we're familiar with, or it's a purposeful contract killing
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Speaker 1: where there was a revenge factor for something else at
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Speaker 1: this point potentially unknown. So the multiple levels of the
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Speaker 1: modes of murder, the drowning, beating, shooting all indicate either
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Speaker 1: a connectivity, uh that's personal to the victims, to the perpetrator,
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Speaker 1: or in fact that there's something more, either revenge involving
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Speaker 1: a greater level of for purposefulness. You're right, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what that last phrase was, greater level of violence
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Speaker 1: for purposefulness. Okay, I'll try to just soak that in
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Speaker 1: for amo track killing some something that involved. I mean,
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Speaker 1: are you serious a contract killing on a twenty seven
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Speaker 1: year old mom of three? Okay? To doctor Debbie Joffey
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Speaker 1: ellis psychologist and AGI professor, Columbia University. Doctor Debbie, we
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Speaker 1: also know that the children's bodies were stacked up in
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Speaker 1: the bathtub, like yep, he put boxes on top of
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Speaker 1: each other. Now, I'm just a civilian. I'm just a JD.
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Speaker 1: You're the shrink extraordinary and I mean no offense. By that,
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Speaker 1: I mean Columbia University. That ain't shabby, doctor Debbie. In
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Speaker 1: my experience prosecuting homicides, when there is a random killing,
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Speaker 1: the killer doesn't take time to stage the scene. They
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Speaker 1: don't hang around the crime scene and think, wow, I'll
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Speaker 1: stack the children's bodies up in the bathtub. No, they
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Speaker 1: do their business, whether it's a burglary, a robbery, a
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Speaker 1: sex assault, and they leave. They get out of there,
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Speaker 1: they do the deed, they do the killing, They're gone.
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Speaker 1: They don't stick around to stage or manipulate the crime scene,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie. Yeah, from everything I've heard from you and
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Speaker 1: your gifts, so fun Nancy, it sounds like whoever the
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Speaker 1: perpetrator was may have had a need to show he
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Speaker 1: had the ultimate power and control over the victims. It
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Speaker 1: sounds like it's possible that he or she felt their strength,
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Speaker 1: or if it was a man whose manlihood was being
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Speaker 1: questioned or threatened, and perhaps a desire to prove to
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Speaker 1: the victims that there was no inadequacy and he was
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Speaker 1: the boss or she. Okay, Doctor Debby, Joffe Ellis, Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know how much I love and I recognize your
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Speaker 1: brilliance in your education, and I certainly it would never
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Speaker 1: question qualifications a professor of a professor at Columbia University.
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Speaker 1: But okay, here comes to the other foot. Why are
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Speaker 1: you pretending it's a woman, Because I mean, I know
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Speaker 1: that's all PC politically correct, but statistically another woman would
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Speaker 1: never do this. Now, very often when women commit murder,
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Speaker 1: they kill their own children. But Levi Page, is there
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Speaker 1: any indication that Brandy Peter's death the mom was suicide.
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Speaker 1: There's no indication. Nancy and law enforcement immediately suspected that
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Speaker 1: it was someone that she knew. They didn't know who
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Speaker 1: did it, but when they arrived at the scene, they
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Speaker 1: immediately thought that it was someone that she knew because
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Speaker 1: there was no signs of a forced injury into the
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Speaker 1: home and the home was locked. Well, I get it,
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Speaker 1: but that no signs of forced entry, and you're saying
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Speaker 1: the home was locked. Yes, they couldn't get in. When
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Speaker 1: police arrived, they had got it. That's right, So, doctor Sperry,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true? You can look at injuries and determine
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Speaker 1: if it was a suicide. I mean for somebody like you,
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Speaker 1: that's child's playing pretty much. It's class majority of very
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Speaker 1: straightforward Yes, crime stories with Nancy Grace, DNA, cell phone
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Speaker 1: records and enough debt to want to kill fair to
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Speaker 1: say that something happened around this time period that cause
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Speaker 1: or to stop using yourself fair to say is and
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Speaker 1: during records are consistent with that. Yes, phone records put
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Speaker 1: Henry Sigura near the crime the day it happened, and
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Speaker 1: even show communication between him and victim Brandy Peters. Bud
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Speaker 1: DNA testing wasn't quite as conclusive about him being at
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Speaker 1: the crime scene. Mister Cigura and all four victims are
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Speaker 1: excluded as having contributed to the DNA found on that projectile. Yes,
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Speaker 1: the testing never presented a strong enough match to say
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Speaker 1: the DNA belonged to Cigura. Plus testing also showed DNA
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Speaker 1: for an unknown woman. Then there's the motive. Twenty thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars behind in child support payments for a son Sigura
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Speaker 1: thought wasn't even his. He wrote many letters to the
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Speaker 1: Florida Department of Revenue, and the message she stated that
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Speaker 1: I was stupid for senting a birth certificate for a
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Speaker 1: child that was not even mine all key elements that
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Speaker 1: the state presented to Jersey in court Tuesday to suggest
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Speaker 1: Henry Siguri killed his mistress, Brandy Peters, their son Javonte,
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Speaker 1: and her twin daughters, Tamaya and Tanaya. You were just
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Speaker 1: hearing our friends at wt XL ABC twenty seven. That
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Speaker 1: was Jada Williams. I got a question. This is something
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Speaker 1: I don't quite get, Jason Oceans. Why are they referring
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Speaker 1: to her as a mistress. She is a mother of three,
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Speaker 1: and one of the three belongs to Henry Sigura, so
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Speaker 1: she's the mother of his child. Why are they portraying
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Speaker 1: the dead victim is a mistress like she's some big tramp. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I hear that in the description, and it does bob
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Speaker 1: to me as well. It's quite sexist and creates negative connotation.
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Speaker 1: Apparently he had an extramarital affair with the victim. I
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Speaker 1: too object to that. Well, I certainly would not brag
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Speaker 1: about it, Jason Oceans, defense attorney. Another thing, Jason Oceans,
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Speaker 1: you and I are both very familiar with proving parenthood.
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Speaker 1: This guy was twenty thousand. Now, I heard what the
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Speaker 1: reporter said. She said that DNA didn't was not conclusive
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Speaker 1: to match up to Henry Sigura, the father of the baby,
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Speaker 1: the three year old. I hear that, but I also
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Speaker 1: heard you twenty thousand dollars in back child support and
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Speaker 1: that he's still denied the baby was his, Jason Oceans.
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Speaker 1: To get child support ordered, you very often have to
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Speaker 1: have a DNA test. If he had any questions about
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Speaker 1: this being his child, he would have contested it in court.
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Speaker 1: You would have had to have had in order to
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Speaker 1: obtain the child support. Since they weren't married and not
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Speaker 1: the putative father, you would have had to have had
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Speaker 1: an order of affiliation court ordered, then get some get
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Speaker 1: some DNA and make that determination. So well, here's another
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Speaker 1: issue to figure out, Jason Oceans, here's another issue. Leavi
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Speaker 1: Page Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Or is it
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Speaker 1: true that Sigura was also quote dating quote that's certainly
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Speaker 1: putting perfume on the Big three other women at the time. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and he also had a wife that he was married
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Speaker 1: to with three children. You know, it just never ends.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis Psychologists, Adjunct Professor, Columbia University. You
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Speaker 1: said something earlier that at first it didn't it didn't
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Speaker 1: persuade me. But now, actually it is not the fact
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Speaker 1: that it could have been a woman killer. But you
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Speaker 1: said something about control, control, and I don't know how
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Speaker 1: to verbal lies as doctor Debbie, and I'm sure you're
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Speaker 1: going to do a better job than I would. I'd
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Speaker 1: have to write this out for a closing argument and
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Speaker 1: learn it verbatim. But when you've got an individual like Sigura,
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Speaker 1: Henry Sigura, and he's playing all these different women like
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Speaker 1: their puppets, dating three other women, plus Brandy Peters has
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Speaker 1: his son, plus he's married as five women he's either
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Speaker 1: sleeping with or seeing's it is control. You said this
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Speaker 1: is about control, and you're manipulating other people's lives through deceit.
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Speaker 1: Could you put a label on that for me, because
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Speaker 1: I don't know the word for that except liar. It's
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Speaker 1: hard for me to find just one label. But I
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Speaker 1: think in addition to the apparent needs for control, may
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Speaker 1: be a need for people to recognize that he has
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Speaker 1: full power, are in control, and if anyone would question that,
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Speaker 1: or if he is made to think that others are
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Speaker 1: questioning his potency and manliness, then to prove that he
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Speaker 1: is the king of the universe, He fuelled by rage,
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Speaker 1: hatred and resentment, just commits these violent acts. Okay, I've
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Speaker 1: got a little update from here in the studio Leavi page.
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Speaker 1: I'm very disappointed in you. Let me just put that
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Speaker 1: out there because Jackie Howard, wrong or right, is saying
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Speaker 1: that the three other women, in addition to the wife
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Speaker 1: and the murder victim, Brandy Peters, we're in Tallahassee that
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Speaker 1: we know of, and apparently there were other girlfriends in
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Speaker 1: Alabama and another one in Minnesota. Okay, well wait, I've
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Speaker 1: gotta make a float chart. Three in Tallahassee, the wife,
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Speaker 1: the victim, one in Minnesota, and a definite number in Alabama.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a question, Stephen Lampley, detective author
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Speaker 1: outside your door, how does he have time to commit
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Speaker 1: a murder? He's gallivanning between Alabama, Tallahasee, Minnesota and the
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Speaker 1: Lord only knows where else to see all these women, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Apparently he made time at some point along the way
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Speaker 1: to and I'm seeing also in this I'm picking up
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Speaker 1: on some angry he made me. But apparently am On
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Speaker 1: told him on him to the suspect. I'm picking up
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Speaker 1: on some maybe perhaps and I'm a psychologist, but I'm
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Speaker 1: picking up on some anger issues with this gentleman. But
26:46
Speaker 1: back to your question, it appears as though he made
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Speaker 1: obviously made time to do this. Maybe he let some
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Speaker 1: other women on the side go while he could come on,
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Speaker 1: he could commit these murders. Guys, I'm looking right now
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Speaker 1: and you can see it at crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: And Jack, I want to make sure that you have
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Speaker 1: this posted there. A Facebook photo of these two little twins. Oh,
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Speaker 1: my stars, they are precious. I'm pretty sure one of
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Speaker 1: them has on a hot pink it's gonna be aerial
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Speaker 1: or what's the princess? Oh, brave, brave? Isn't that a
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Speaker 1: princess with red hair? I can see some red hair
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Speaker 1: peeking out. And the other one has on a pale
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Speaker 1: pink T shirt that looks like it may be a
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Speaker 1: frozen and they are back to back, big smiles. They've
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Speaker 1: got their hair meticulously done, just like long hair. And
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Speaker 1: you know how much time that takes the mom, Brandy
27:53
Speaker 1: to do all that hair. Lucy's hair, Jason, you wouldn't
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Speaker 1: believe it. You got to look at her on Facebook.
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Speaker 1: You know it was short and curly, while she wanted
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Speaker 1: to let it grow out. I was against it, but
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Speaker 1: I picked my battles for a tattoo, sorry Sperry and
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Speaker 1: body piercings, and I let her do it. It's almost
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Speaker 1: down to her waist and it is, you know, to
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Speaker 1: brush that. These little girl's hair is so long and
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Speaker 1: she's got it in an up du They're just precious.
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Speaker 1: Their little ears are pierced and they aren't oh beautiful
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Speaker 1: brown eyes and they both have perfect smiles. They're dead,
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Speaker 1: their dead bodies or stat on top of each other
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Speaker 1: along with their three year old little butt brother in
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Speaker 1: the bathtub, and mommy fought like a bear, like a
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Speaker 1: tiger to save her three children. Henry Sigura, the baby
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Speaker 1: boy's dad. Cell phone places him in the area at
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Speaker 1: the time, all the phone with her just before Brandy
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Speaker 1: Peters is murdered. But we got to have more than
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Speaker 1: a cell phone call. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. You're
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Speaker 1: going to hear you about the quarter that he was
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Speaker 1: interviewed by tell Aissa Police Department on two different occasions
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Speaker 1: Day's apartment. First ones to know if I had the
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Speaker 1: Death of the Sun and the second ones follow up.
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Speaker 1: And what he did is he lied along for him.
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Speaker 1: He said, I was not there. I was at home
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Speaker 1: the entire time to tell as the police department did
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Speaker 1: their investigation, realize he was lying, called him in for
29:48
Speaker 1: a second interview to clarify I was at home all
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Speaker 1: the time. Checked my cell phone records, they say I
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Speaker 1: was there. But he made a mistake. He thought he
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Speaker 1: could pull one over the eyes and tell ASA police department.
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Speaker 1: What they did is they found out he had a
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Speaker 1: separate phone number that he didn't tell them about. And
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Speaker 1: what they did when they checked that cellphone record as
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Speaker 1: they turned he wasn't back there at the time. That
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Speaker 1: Brandy Peters and the kids. For sure, you are hearing
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Speaker 1: Florida A sa John Fuchs describing an incredible lie allegedly
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Speaker 1: told by the biodad Henry Sigura, aged forty one. Twenty
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Speaker 1: seven year old Brandy Peters dead after fighting like a
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Speaker 1: tiger to save her three children, Tamaya, Tenaya as Javante,
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Speaker 1: all murdered and stacked up like boxes dead in the bathtub.
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Speaker 1: Levipage Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, So let me
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Speaker 1: understand this. Suspect Henry Sigura brags to police, Hey, I
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Speaker 1: was nowhere near there. You know, check out my cell phone.
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Speaker 1: I was with my wife. And then it turns out
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Speaker 1: he's got more than one cell phone. Explain, yes, he
30:56
Speaker 1: had a secret cell phone that he used to keep
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Speaker 1: up with the women that he was having an affair with.
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Speaker 1: And you're right, Nancy. He did deny being at the
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Speaker 1: home of the victims, but then police say that his
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Speaker 1: phone pain got a tower near the home, and then
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Speaker 1: he admitted that he was there and then left. He
31:15
Speaker 1: said that he didn't want to admit it because he
31:17
Speaker 1: didn't want his wife to find out that he was
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Speaker 1: having affairs. So he's saying that all of his nefarious actions,
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Speaker 1: deleting texts, having a double cell phone, all this was
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Speaker 1: to keep his wife from finding out him. How could
31:29
Speaker 1: she not know with all of these girlfriends, So apparently
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Speaker 1: she had known that he had had affairs in the past,
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Speaker 1: but he had convinced her that he was no longer
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Speaker 1: having any affairs and he didn't want her to find
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Speaker 1: out that he was continuing his extramarital affairs. To Stephen Lampley,
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Speaker 1: detective author of Outside Your Door Stephen Lampley, every PI
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Speaker 1: knows that when you have a person with multiple cell phones,
31:56
Speaker 1: something ain't right. In the famous words, um, doctor fun,
32:02
Speaker 1: something is wrong. Remember that in the OJ Simpson case,
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Speaker 1: something is wrong. When your husband has multiple cell phones,
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Speaker 1: you better check the phone history. Fancy that's correct. Now.
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Speaker 1: There are some occasions that I have been guilty of
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Speaker 1: that as well, where I would have one cell phone
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Speaker 1: that I had for worked in one for personal use.
32:25
Speaker 1: But that's that's that's something that we checked out pretty quick.
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Speaker 1: But when you have a cell phone for personal reason too, oh,
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Speaker 1: you're different from all the other guys. You're different from
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Speaker 1: all the other guys cheating. Okay. Actually, for a period
32:38
Speaker 1: of time when I was at Court TV and at HLN,
32:42
Speaker 1: I had two cell phones. One was a leftover and
32:44
Speaker 1: then I got another one issued. I got rid of
32:47
Speaker 1: them because my son John David would get on one
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Speaker 1: and play games, and I knew, okay, that's got to go.
32:53
Speaker 1: But they certainly were not secret cell phones. Speaking of
32:57
Speaker 1: cell phones, speaking of phone records, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: this call that Sir Gura gets, and she told you
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Speaker 1: that your son was either missing or dead, right, yes, sir,
33:09
Speaker 1: but she said he was. She said that she heard
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Speaker 1: that they couldn't find him. That's what she said. Said
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Speaker 1: people saying they thought that he was with the guy Kayla.
33:20
Speaker 1: And she also tells you those two little girls that
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Speaker 1: you spent a year with that called your daddy were
33:25
Speaker 1: also dead, right, yes, and Brandy and Brandy. Yes, Yet
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Speaker 1: you never made a phone called a Brandy. You never
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Speaker 1: made a phone called a law enforcement. You never made
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Speaker 1: a phone called it anybody to check on that situation. Dude,
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Speaker 1: What could I do about the situation? Find out if
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Speaker 1: your son was dead or whether it was with somebody else. Well,
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Speaker 1: when she told me that she wasn't sure if he
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Speaker 1: was dead or not, that was over the phone when
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Speaker 1: I called her to get him make an appointment to
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Speaker 1: get my son's hat. Brandy. Once I went to her
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Speaker 1: house and went to a house of getting my science,
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Speaker 1: how ready, she then told me that you know they
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Speaker 1: found Jivanta, he was in house. He does, Okay, let
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Speaker 1: me understand this. To doctor Debbie Joffe ellis psychologist, adjunct professor,
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Speaker 1: Columbia University, Doctor Debbie, he gets a call from his
34:17
Speaker 1: female hairdresser telling him that Brandy, Peter's twenty seven year
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Speaker 1: old girlfriend and his son and the two twins he
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Speaker 1: was raising are all dead and he doesn't make a
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Speaker 1: single inquiry. He just picks up his other son and
34:34
Speaker 1: goes to the hairdresser. No questions asked. Now, how my
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Speaker 1: soul has to believe that is not evidence of guilt.
34:40
Speaker 1: I wouldn't ask you to believe that it's not evidence
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Speaker 1: of guilt. I think that it is. Yeah, there's no surprise,
34:48
Speaker 1: there's no shock, there's no horror. I think it is
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Speaker 1: evidence of guilt. To you, Jason Ocean's veteran defense attorney.
34:57
Speaker 1: How do you get your way? How do you claw
34:59
Speaker 1: your way out of that? Well, you know, in and
35:01
Speaker 1: of itself, I mean, I'm sure the doctor can tell you.
35:03
Speaker 1: There are people that are you know, don't react normally
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Speaker 1: or as we perceive normal to be, whatever that is,
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Speaker 1: to those types of issues. That they're dispassionate, they're cold. Uh,
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Speaker 1: something else takes over and they have a zero reaction
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Speaker 1: where we would all expect something more significant. So, in
35:22
Speaker 1: and of itself, yeah, it's different from what we perceive
35:26
Speaker 1: as the normal or average response to something like this,
35:30
Speaker 1: but that's that's not ultimately going to be you know,
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Speaker 1: the totality of the disposition of guilt. So it's certainly
35:39
Speaker 1: something to work with. Um but there's enough in the
35:45
Speaker 1: there's enough in the field relative to how people react.
35:48
Speaker 1: Not everyone does to those types of things. It's certainly
35:51
Speaker 1: strange and you got to work with it. But yeah,
35:54
Speaker 1: that's a challenge, Nancy in and of itself. I agree.
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Speaker 1: Leave Page investigative reporter crimal line dot com. He denies
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Speaker 1: he's there, How has it proven that he was there
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Speaker 1: or was it well? When his cell phone data shows
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Speaker 1: that he was there. He admitted that he hied to police.
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Speaker 1: He did say that he was there but then left.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, cell phone records take center
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Speaker 1: stage in the courtroom. Take a listen. Did Henry Sigura
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Speaker 1: lie about being at the house on that day that
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Speaker 1: many times? Why did Henry Sigura set up an albi
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Speaker 1: with his phone knowing full well that he was at
36:36
Speaker 1: his house? Why? Why was her cell phone taken? The
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Speaker 1: only thing at his house has been taken in this
36:52
Speaker 1: situation is her cell phone. Why we're gonna talk about
36:57
Speaker 1: that because it was incriminating against Yeah. Why Why is
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Speaker 1: there only one void pattern in the blood spatter one?
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Speaker 1: A void pattern is a situation in which blood spatter
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Speaker 1: is made and it is blocked by an object. Specifically,
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Speaker 1: as we're talking about the person that perpetrated this event,
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Speaker 1: there's only one void pattern. If there are more than
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Speaker 1: one person, there would be more than one void spot,
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Speaker 1: and there is not. There is one void pattern, dude,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Chris Sperry. What is a void pattern? A void
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Speaker 1: pattern means that there's something in the way or the
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Speaker 1: obscure in certain parts of blood spatter. So that if
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Speaker 1: you see a pattern on the wall of different blood spatters,
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Speaker 1: but you have a blank space in the middle, in
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Speaker 1: the biddle or over towards the edge, that means that
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Speaker 1: there was something that was in the way at the
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Speaker 1: time of flood, was spattered and has been removed. So
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Speaker 1: it's the absence of evidence that tells you that there
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Speaker 1: was actually something there. Let's go into the corn stay
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Speaker 1: to Florida versus Henry Sigura. We the jury find as
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Speaker 1: follows as count one of the indictment concerning the murders
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Speaker 1: of Brandy Peters, the jury finds the defendant is guilty
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Speaker 1: of first greet murderer. As to count two, we's the
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Speaker 1: jury find as follows as the count too the indictment
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Speaker 1: concerning the murder to Maya Peters. The defendant is guilty
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Speaker 1: of first great murder as to count three, with the
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Speaker 1: jury find the defendant is guilty of first greet murder.
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Speaker 1: As the count four, we the jury find the defendant
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Speaker 1: is guilty of first street murder. To Levi page Levi,
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Speaker 1: what was the sentence, Nancy? He was sentenced to life
38:54
Speaker 1: in prison. This was actually a death penalty case. But
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Speaker 1: Sigura actually testified during the penalty phase that he didn't
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Speaker 1: want to present any mitigating factors and if the jury
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Speaker 1: thought that he was guilty, then he deserved the death penalty.
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Speaker 1: But the jury deliberated they had the option to go
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Speaker 1: for the death penalty, but they decided to go for
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Speaker 1: a life sentence instead. Well, even now, a defense team
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Speaker 1: was planning Cigura's appeal. Nancy Grace Crimes Toy signing off
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Speaker 1: Goodbye Freddi