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What did you say on the economy survey? | A Star Citizen call-in show · Open Comms Radio | A Star Citizen call-in show

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  The. Thing isn't though.
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  Now that you say that, I can't see it.
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  You're absolutely right. After what time?
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  Let's let's talk about that first, because I was going to go
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  in a totally. Different direction.
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  We will not disappoint this evening in terms of news, things
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  A lot happens. You, you step out for one week
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  in the middle of summer thinking, oh, all, all my joy is
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  gone. I'm just going to go outside,
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  sit in the sun, sit by the pool, go on a hike.
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  So I'm gonna eat gumbo for another week or so, so.
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  But anyway. Yeah, yeah, very good dude.
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  I wish I got a little bit of gumbo.
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  I didn't eat too much, honestly. Yeah.
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  Did you have a fun time? I had a fun time.
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  I watched. I watched the fireworks, you
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  know, It was good. It was chill, but the whole time
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  I was just thinking, gosh darn if I could watch fireworks and
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  Star Citizen. It's depends on who you fly
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  with, right? And it'll happen.
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  Well, I'm excited and happy that I didn't get banned.
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  Oh, sounds like a story. No, I didn't do anything.
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  I just heard a lot of people were getting banned.
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  From the Star Citizen. Permanent ban, Did you?
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  Did you see this? I heard I've had the cheating
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  conversation being that seems to be everywhere for a second, but
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  no, I haven't heard anything about any band like band Waves.
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  Oh no, no, they perma band Xylo posted on Spectrum.
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  Yeah, 'cause they, they had a big post and they're like,
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  basically this stuff stinks, so we're going to start policing
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  it. Bada Bing bada boom everyone's
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  banned and then Chad was like you've been banned for like 2
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  weeks like and they're like no everyone who is hacking the game
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  is perma banned. Dang, well, yeah, that'll, I
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  mean, that's coming down hard on it, which is great.
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  Yeah. I mean great.
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  I mean, I, I guess I, I, you know, presumably there's, you
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  know, these are evidenced and, you know, some of these are,
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  some of these are exploits. Like, I don't know, I'd be
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  curious to see how how heavy-handed they were being
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  with it, how egregious the offenses are.
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  I don't care dude if you're hacking in the game.
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  Yeah, if you're hacking like. Get out of here.
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  If you get any gags. It's a video game.
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  Watch a movie, you know what I'm saying?
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  Make a TikTok. Do do literally anything else.
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  Do anything other than pop it into my game, our game.
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  That's interesting. Hopefully that cleans up then.
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  I mean, I mean, I imagine that goes hand in hand with like the
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  cheating conversation that's been everywhere.
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  Well, yeah, that was the response to that.
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  OK, yeah, gotcha. So I mean, All in all, positive
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  thumbs up, thumbs up, right? Right from the beginning.
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  You wake up 1 morning, you have a good thumbs up.
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  Yeah. Hey, you know what?
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  What else? What else was on the new?
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  I mean, that sounds like a pretty finger on the walls.
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  I have something else for you right here, Tav.
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  And for those of you listening, I've pulled up the Star Citizen
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  Economy Feedback Survey. Now, Tav, it's come to my
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  understanding that you have not completed the survey.
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  I have not, no, no. This is kind of more or less
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  looking at this with fresh. Ads, So we're going to do
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  something a little different on open comps today.
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  Of course, we're going to take our callers like we always do.
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  If you want to call on to open comms, you can join our Discord.
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  It's linked on the YouTube and Spotify and wherever you're
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  listening to this, you'll find it.
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  You can join us on Wednesday nights at 9:00 PM.
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  And what we do here is we just take callers and people come in
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  and tell us what they think. Every week we have a question.
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  This week's question was going to be about the hacking, but I
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  had a little inspiration. So this week's question is what
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  did you say on the economy survey and have you haven't said
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  anything yet? All right, because I guess,
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  yeah, we'll have to. We'll have to take it or
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  something. So what we're going to do
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  tonight is we are going to fill out Tavs.
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  OK? Yeah.
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  This will get this live on air with the help Volvo callers.
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  Is that your name? What's your name?
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  OnStar. Citizen Tavarose.
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  Tavarose. Like this, TAV?
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  Well, we've doxed. We've doxed just about everyone
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  on the show. That's true.
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  So Tav, I'm going to do you a favor here.
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  OK. Since it is your survey, I'm
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  going to let you answer the first question.
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  On average, how many hours a week do you play Star Citizen?
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  Oh, I don't know how. It really depends because some
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  weeks not at all and then some weeks it's 10 to 15/15/20.
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  So I don't know, 5 to 10, yeah. Let's go 5 to 10 is reasonable.
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  I have 10. Yeah, that's reasonable. 10
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  hours is yeah yeah, yeah all. Right.
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  Yeah, Yeah, I like that couple of minutes.
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  Yeah. That feels good to me.
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  So what we're gonna do is we're gonna pull up our callers.
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  I don't know who was first on this list to have.
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  Did you see who was first today? I.
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  Did not see who's first today. I'm just gonna have to.
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  Chat chat Let me know who was first today.
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  Chad, who filled out the economy.
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  Sir, we got, we got our, we got our hobo.
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  Hobo was first today, so we're going to pull up our good friend
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  in Spoiler Connoisseur Cosmic Hobo.
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  Cosmic Hobo, welcome to Open Comms Radio.
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  Back to the show. Thank you.
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  Thank you for stopping in 1st 1st order of business is do I
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  sound good? I'm using a new mic today.
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  Yes, you sound good. You opened quite loudly, but you
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  you sound good. I turned it down a bit.
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  I got your texts, I got your chat, I got the chat tab.
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  You want to ask? Let's ask Obo his question.
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  Oh, you going right down the list?
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  Roughly how much? Outfit No, no, no, no.
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  The question, hobo is what did you say on the economy survey?
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  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So that's how we can do this. Catch, catch, catch.
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  Yeah, in, in, in, in one sentence or less.
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  Hobo. What did you say on the economy
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  survey? I was I played probably a lot
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  and was really looking forward to base boating to funnel all my
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  resources and do going forward. I see.
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  We need that. We need that money sync, we need
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  that time sync. We need something to work
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  towards. I know multiple guests have
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  brought this up before. I know Rob has more of has, even
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  Wicked has, like everyone has at some point or another brought up
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  that we need base building. We need things to work for and
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  work towards. And on that free response
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  question further down, I don't know if it's on this page or
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  not, it's brings up the Open. And if you had an infinite
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  amount of UEC and all the items in the game, what would you do
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  with it? And my answer was pretty much
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  focus on my own bases, the org spaces.
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  And then I would just like sponsor race teams.
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  Even honestly, I hate racing. I hate racing.
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  I'm terrible at it. I don't like it.
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  It's boring, but I want that nice rich guy feeling of
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  sponsoring a race team. Oh yeah?
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  Oh, you want that rich guy? You want the F1 feeling.
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  Yeah, I was thinking like horse owner feeling, but yeah, they
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  the the the modern race team. They like you sponsor A
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  racehorse, you sponsor a race team, it's it makes you fancy
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  like and especially since it's something I hate doing myself.
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  I hate racing. I would much rather throw money
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  at a race team for them to do it for me essentially.
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  That'd be fun. So yeah, that that was that.
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  That was kind of the answer for what was it that did they fit
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  your Star Citizen fantasy? I think was.
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  The yeah, yeah, you have all you have infinite UEC infinite.
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  You're like all the items in the game.
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  What would you do with it? Like the last thing I said at
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  the end, of course, was a nice like Oh yeah.
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  It also would like start a fun to help new players get their
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  first non startership. Nice, nice, nice.
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  OK. I like that idea.
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  So overall, how do you feel about the survey?
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  Fine, it was, I know some people are like feel bad that it's
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  like, oh, or is this because they don't have plans for the I
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  don't think that's quite right. I think they want to get kind of
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  a vibe check of what we expect of the economy or what it's like
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  right now, which of course is kind of crap right now.
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  It's not, it's not immersive, it's not reactive.
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  It's it's static and anytime it does change, it's very, it's
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  very much trying to avoid exploits for the event.
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  It's not a not a true supply and demand economy in the slightest.
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  It needs that though. It needs that and it needs
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  player interaction and it needs like one of the things I was
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  asking about, like free trading, spending just your UEC to buy
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  commodities and just take them somewhere else and to sell them.
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  There's no real point in doing that right now because there's
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  no trading to be involved. Like if you want to make money
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  hauling, you do them via the missions or you do them through
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  the events. There's just no economy really
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  to speak of at this time. Which makes an economy survey
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  kind of a little misleading since they're just really isn't
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  1. Because it's just not.
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  It's not dynamic, and economy is dynamic.
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  It has multiple players as multiple actors.
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  It has multiple systems involved, all interlaced and
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  interacting. Everyone had things that price.
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  Things have cost and it's just a more a real economy is much more
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  interesting to watch you. What do we, what do we think the
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  next iteration is going to be of that economy?
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  I mean, what's the crafting? Basic supply and demand, they're
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  going to probably get that in before crafting.
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  Is the idea that prices will change.
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  That's right. Now prices don't really change.
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  Like supply can change. Like you go somewhere and
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  there's too much stuff so they don't buy anymore.
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  But the prices of stuff don't really change.
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  Is there any is this, is this a maybe a stale the what is it
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  quantum quanta, the little? Yeah, yeah, they don't.
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  Call it that anymore, I don't think but.
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  OK. I don't know what exactly.
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  Are they still kind of pushing to this?
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  I just haven't heard it mentioned in so long, yeah.
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  I think that's still the goal, and to be clear the goal was
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  never eve level where someone could drop like 5 ships, ship
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  ship loads worth of something rather let's say titanium and
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  crash the economy of a whole solar system.
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  Like you could do that in it was pretty easy to do once you got
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  to a certain point in different corpse would do that.
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  Star Citizen has at least last that they've ever even spoken
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  on. This has always had a big skew
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  towards the NPCS playing a bigger AKA them CIG having a
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  bigger control over the economy than the players.
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  The the ratios have gone around for different numbers every now
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  and then. I I it used to be something like
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  90% in PC interaction, 10% player.
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  I've heard a couple others like it's gone as high as 30% I think
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  whenever someone said it. I don't know if TIG fully knows
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  yet, we'll see. But the idea at the end of the
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  day is while players could bring in five shiploads full like a
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  whole the worth of titanium to some small system and crash the
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  prices, it's probably not going to be that big that players can
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  have on that. But they'll they'll definitely
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  have like certain ways to to game the system or at least
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  influence it in a significant manner.
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  Just not that significant. Well, I did put for my portion
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  of this survey is there there was a question and we'll get to
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  it. That was like how much of
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  players that should affect the economy or for how long should
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  like player events affect the economy.
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  And I put forever because I'm, I want that like, yeah, until
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  something changes, it's it. That's how it is.
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  Yeah, I strongly consider that answer.
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  And then I thought about it because I thought about how
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  markets react and a player interaction and how they had
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  originally pitched the economy of being that kind of lopsided
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  influence. So I thought, I, I, I ordered,
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  I, I said shorter. I, I did, I think like a week
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  because that would be a long enough time for an actual
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  economy to snap back to equilibrium depending on what
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  we're talking about. Like it?
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  It was a vague enough question that I wasn't entirely sure what
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  I wanted to do with that. OK hobo.
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  Well, I hope you're sure about what you did for question number
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  three of the Star Citizen Economy Feedback survey asks
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  roughly how much UEC do you have in your in game bank account?
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  I was kind of surprised by how low they went here and I have
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  about 9,000,010 million roughly depending on I did some payouts
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  on Sundays to to people so I just have less but around 9 to
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  10 million thereabouts. Wow Tav, what do you have?
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  Between 100 and. 500K OK. OK, Yeah.
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  OK, we will run it. We will reconcile this with 1 to
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  3,000,000 'cause that's how much I have and I'm in the middle so.
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  Y'all are just yeah, heavy hitters over here.
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  And I bought a lot of ships at the beginning of this patch.
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  Or yeah. Yeah.
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  OK, OK. Wow.
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  You're in there a lot. Well, our next guest, Lord
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  Anubis, I believe, is in there a lot as well.
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  I'm going to pull up Lord Anubis here, our second caller.
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  If you could scooch down the couch there, hobo.
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  Yeah. Sure, no problem.
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  Lord Anubis, welcome to the Trans Radio.
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  Hello and thank you for for picking me out of order again.
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  I appreciate that. Well, I just figured this is
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  what it's going to be today. I wasn't.
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  Gonna say anything but yeah, you.
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  Yeah, we should get wicked on first before you got me.
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  No, no. Wicked can wait.
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  He's there. What?
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  Wait, He's there. Look at wickets.
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  He's on every show. OK, We know him.
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  But he was first. Look man, I I don't want to rat
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  out on wicket, but I know as well as anybody else that Wicked
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  has not been playing Star Citizen.
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  He has been doing it up. He's been doing it up.
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  He's been doing it the. Solid dune.
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  Dune in, day in and day out. So we're going to get to wicket
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  for now, Lord Newbus, this is your time, this is your moment
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  to shine and this is our moment to ask you.
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  What did you say on the economy survey?
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  Did I get the e-mail somewhere? Where is it?
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  You know, I, I, I looked for it and I, I did not get it.
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  So I I don't know. That's all right.
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  Yeah, I'm. I was seeing it for fresh eyes
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  too just now so. Yeah, I'm actually kind of
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  curious as to where to find it because I would think.
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  Spectrum. It's on spectrum.
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  Yeah, I'll put it in the chat. Though that's a great way for
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  them to spread something like that instead of like sending an
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  e-mail to everybody. Well, I bet we'll I bet we will
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  get an e-mail sooner or later. Usually things kind of flood out
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  on Spectrum before they get on into the newsletter or.
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  Whatever. Yeah, I.
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  Mean that's too official. You know, I mean, looking at
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  this to everybody only, only haters and weebs are on
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  spectrum. Yeah, I.
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  Think. Most well, I mean, I, I will say
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  looking at this, I mean it's pretty straightforward, but
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  honestly none of it means a thing.
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  I think this is this is they put out a couple videos again, they
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  made a bunch of promises they're sending a survey to ask people
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  for things that they should have been they should have answered
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  month years ago. I mean, but what, what, what do
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  you like doing the most? Well, like you kind of put the
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  only things in the game that we can do because we don't have
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  anything else. And so it really doesn't matter
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  what we think, you know, and you know, I mean, these are things
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  they should have known what what earns you the most UEC, right?
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  If it feels like they're trying to find a reason to not
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  implement an economy. You know, that question to me
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  was so weird. It was, we'll get to it.
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  But it was like, what makes what missions make you the most
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  money? It's like, how do you just not
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  how do you not know that? Like how Like you know what the
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  missions pay, so you ought to know what missions give you the
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  most money. I I think that's, I don't think
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  that's what they were trying to go for.
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  But yeah, there were a couple questions like that.
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  And I'm like, like you, you should know this.
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  You know this better than me. Yeah, I mean it, it really does
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  feel like this is a this is more of a survey on the, the, the,
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  the how do you like the theme park?
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  We set up, you know, all the rides we we set up that you can
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  go and you go on your little ride and do your little
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  adventure, but has nothing to do with an economy for real.
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  That that's that's the most frustrating thing.
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  Nothing here is an actually. And, and I think this is the
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  last part, do you currently engage in or have interest in
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  free trade using your own UEC to buy goods at one location, sell
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  them for profit at another, hauling for profit?
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  Like really, why are they? Why are they asking that?
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  I think that's the biggest thing right there 'cause that seems
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  like as far I cut Tier 1, Tier 0 implementation as far as I mean
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  that's the basic. Is that that profitable?
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  I know a couple traders and they said they've gotten a little bit
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  of, you know, taking stuff from from here to there.
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  So I know there's, there's still people that do the trading game
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  play. I just when I did it last, it
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  was just OK. This is not that, like it's a
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  lot of time for not a huge profit, but is it where?
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  I don't know where trading is right now in the game.
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  I don't think it's in a much different spot than when you
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  last did it. It hasn't changed much over the
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  years. And they're not asking about
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  player to player, they're asking do you do it in game with the
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  with the little mission we provide you to just earn money?
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  I mean, none of this is actually about a real economy where the
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  end game is not constantly going to these little things and
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  collecting money in order to buy a ship.
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  The end game is trade. The end game is I'm the best.
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  Like I work my way up to make the best weapons, the best
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  armor. People come to me.
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  They paid more because it's that good and I need these good
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  supplies. It's a it's an economy.
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  It's a real thing. There's, there's, there's
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  marketplaces and they're asking none of this It's and that's
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  disappointing considering the video that they put out where
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  they're supposed to be promising all this stuff and they've asked
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  nothing about it. Is there not a, is there a
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  system in game now though? When?
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  So if somebody 'cause I, we have a little bit with weapons,
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  right, somebody can go to a station and buy up all the, you
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  know, the ammo of a certain type.
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  So there's a quantity there, right?
• 22:01
  And I'm assuming that's there for trading as well?
• 22:04
  Is I just? Don't couldn't we just tweak
• 22:07
  these numbers and they have, they have if there's a back end
• 22:10
  system for this right, that says, hey, there's X amount of
• 22:13
  like Leronite or something at this one location.
• 22:17
  Is that barely is there barely is.
• 22:20
  It's only on the supply side, like I said, like there's no
• 22:23
  changes in price. If there's no changes in price,
• 22:26
  there's no supply and demand. It's a two way St. you need one
• 22:31
  and the other. If you're only doing one,
• 22:33
  there's no point. You're not, you're not getting
• 22:35
  any sort of dynamic economy that you need to have, you know, an
• 22:39
  economy. Basic fundamental MMO things
• 22:44
  that they're still leaving out of the game, including pay,
• 22:46
  player tags. I don't know who's standing 6
• 22:49
  feet in front of me. I can't trade with them.
• 22:51
  I can't trust a trade because there's no way to trade safely.
• 22:57
  And they're asking about how the rides are and it's all fluff.
• 23:03
  Maybe I hear you about like it being it.
• 23:06
  It seemed out of place, but maybe that's not the information
• 23:09
  they're trying to grab. Wait, maybe this to me seems
• 23:14
  like maybe it's just like a scale of like what's fun?
• 23:18
  Maybe they're just trying to measure fun because but that
• 23:22
  then that begs the questions, like why are there questions
• 23:24
  about like what missions make you the most money?
• 23:27
  Because some of the questions I felt were asking me about fun,
• 23:31
  and some of the questions I felt were asking me about things they
• 23:33
  should know. Yep.
• 23:36
  No. I think they do know it, and
• 23:39
  those questions are honestly pointless.
• 23:41
  They're just trying to figure out what we think makes more
• 23:45
  money, what we think we like to do.
• 23:47
  Like it's not necessarily. So they can make fun of us.
• 23:52
  Yeah, they need more, more fuel for their for their parties and
• 23:58
  stand up sessions and roasting the the the players.
• 24:03
  Yeah, I mean, I I get it. I understand that.
• 24:07
  Look at these Dicks. Like doing free trading?
• 24:11
  Anubis. I mean, and, and how do we
• 24:15
  verify that? OK, well, we've got the
• 24:17
  information. OK, cool.
• 24:18
  What do you do with it now? I don't know.
• 24:22
  I guess we already had different plans in place, but now we're
• 24:24
  asking this for some reason, you know, and, and, and, and if you
• 24:29
  look at the chat or not chat, but if you look at Spectrum,
• 24:32
  where this is posted, I'm, I'm just like scrolling down through
• 24:36
  this, this page and almost everybody is saying the exact
• 24:41
  same thing. I mean, if if they were hoping
• 24:44
  to do something here, they it backfired really big.
• 24:48
  Really. Well, I don't know.
• 24:50
  Spectrum is the is the barometer by which we measure, you know,
• 24:55
  anything, any. It just, it just doesn't feel
• 24:59
  like a very time oriented survey.
• 25:01
  Like there's this exact survey I could have taken 8 years ago and
• 25:06
  it would be the exact same questions.
• 25:09
  Yep. Well, so here's a question for
• 25:10
  us and Lord Anubis, I want you to take a stab at this one.
• 25:14
  It's it's it's a drag to rank question.
• 25:16
  So I'll ask each of you and we're going to just try to
• 25:18
  figure out our top three and maybe our bottom 3.
• 25:21
  So Dragon rank, your favorite in game activities.
• 25:25
  Top is the favorite. So we have FPS combat, ship
• 25:28
  combat, hauling missions, Courier missions, PvP, bounding,
• 25:32
  salvage missions, mining, free trade that's usually using your
• 25:37
  own UEC to buy something at 1 spaceport and sell it for
• 25:41
  hopefully a profit at another location.
• 25:44
  Sandbox gameplay that's contested zones, Dorm breaker.
• 25:48
  We have a definition now and temporary release specific
• 25:53
  events like state, save, Stanton.
• 25:57
  They don't have arguing with people in global on here.
• 26:02
  That's that's that's PvP bounties.
• 26:04
  That's a false. Yeah.
• 26:07
  So, Anubis, what would you say your top three favorite
• 26:09
  activities, You know, I mean. Sandbox gameplay obviously is
• 26:18
  always fun, but again that you're going back to those
• 26:20
  rides, PvP bounty missions, if they actually worked, are the
• 26:24
  most fun that I that I have. I mean, they're a type of role
• 26:29
  play PvP that can earn you some money and is also tends to be a
• 26:34
  little bit more, I want to say more honorable PvP because
• 26:39
  people like they understand where what they're coming into.
• 26:41
  It's not just someone ganking someone randomly.
• 26:43
  This is this is like you're kind of setting it up.
• 26:47
  It's kind of like going over in a in in another game.
• 26:50
  So PvP bounty missions and then after that, you know, free
• 26:57
  trading. I, I do like the idea.
• 26:59
  And now they're using free trading differently.
• 27:01
  They're, they're, they're calling that taking cargo from
• 27:03
  one place, going to another place that, you know, you bought
• 27:07
  it and then you go trade it there.
• 27:08
  I mean, player to player trading, honestly, I actually
• 27:11
  love the fact that I can help find, you know, crazy things,
• 27:16
  sell them to someone. They got crazy things.
• 27:18
  I buy this and we move it around.
• 27:20
  It's it it, it is the hint, and it's the only part of the real
• 27:24
  living core of it right now. OK, OK.
• 27:29
  Hobo. Do you have?
• 27:31
  If you can make one change to this top three, what would you
• 27:34
  say? I would put temporary events at
• 27:39
  top temp. Well, sandbox at the top, then
• 27:42
  temporary events. All right, so I'll swap
• 27:45
  temporary up here for a minute and then hobo, why don't you
• 27:48
  give us your bottom 3? Oh that one is pretty easy.
• 27:53
  Hauling, Courier and free trading.
• 27:58
  Oh, free. You put free training on the
• 27:59
  bottom. All right.
• 28:00
  I want to move it in the middle for a second and we're going to
• 28:03
  see where Tav Tav. This is your survey after all.
• 28:07
  Oh yeah, well, I mean I sandbox gameplay.
• 28:10
  I think all the the list actually as it is now looks
• 28:14
  pretty. I haven't done a whole lot of
• 28:16
  bounty missions, but I'm sure that the I'd love to see that
• 28:19
  work so. Well, it sounds like everybody
• 28:22
  puts sandbox in the top three, so I'm going to put sandbox #1
• 28:25
  for us. OK, now the next question is the
• 28:29
  one I had maybe the most trouble with is drag to rank your in
• 28:32
  game activities that earn you the most UEC.
• 28:36
  I mean real quick, what do we think earns us the most UEC?
• 28:40
  The temporary events. Temporary events, right?
• 28:43
  A year ago that would be a totally wrong statement 'cause
• 28:46
  they used to pay just dog shit, but then they changed it up and
• 28:51
  now they pay so much better. And what pays the worst?
• 28:58
  Plus sandbox gameplay by far you don't get any.
• 29:01
  Money, pay anything usually. I mean you pick up loot and
• 29:05
  stuff and you get like valuable items.
• 29:07
  So that's what I was saying. I was like, Oh well, does that
• 29:09
  count as making money? And maybe that's where they were
• 29:12
  going with this, but all right. Well, Anubis, if you could
• 29:18
  scooch on down the couch there. We have time for our our.
• 29:21
  Our someone feed over there might be sitting, don't worry
• 29:25
  about it. Oh Taff.
• 29:28
  Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get.
• 29:29
  Some a towel. It's mostly just water.
• 29:33
  Mostly. Water.
• 29:34
  Thank you. Lord Anubis, did.
• 29:35
  Did you come prepared today? Did I?
• 29:39
  Oh, wow, wow. I mean, I mean right here in
• 29:42
  front of everybody. Well, I just think this would be
• 29:44
  the appropriate moment. Oh, oh, oh.
• 29:48
  You meant commercial? I I, I thought you were talking
• 29:50
  about something else. Anyways, that's.
• 29:52
  That's the next show. It's.
• 29:54
  The After Dark special one. Yes.
• 29:59
  So, you know, one of the things is, is is we were we've been
• 30:03
  talking about hauling and you know, Kovilex is one of the
• 30:05
  sponsors did. You know that of this show.
• 30:10
  Yeah. Well.
• 30:12
  And they sent us over a little blurb.
• 30:14
  OK, Yeah, you got that. Yeah, here we go.
• 30:18
  Yep. Let me let me go ahead and and
• 30:21
  pop this over here. OK.
• 30:23
  They sent us that, you know, it's 5:00 PM You've been waiting
• 30:26
  for a critical part to get the job done.
• 30:28
  So our job is to make sure you can.
• 30:30
  Our army of independent delivery people, our network of reliable
• 30:34
  drop facilities, all in place to ensure that your day ends how
• 30:38
  you need it to, when you need it to.
• 30:39
  Kovil X count on X. That that was that was a really
• 30:45
  good ad. Pretty sure.
• 30:47
  They. Yeah, they're not as funny as
• 30:49
  the other people. Oh yeah, Kovil X is very
• 30:52
  serious. Well, because you want them to
• 30:54
  be if they're delivering your packages or if their.
• 30:58
  Station gets completely destroyed and you lose all your
• 31:01
  packages. As well, so we're all scooched
• 31:05
  down. Do me a favor, Anubis, sit in
• 31:08
  that P and we're going to bring up you know him, you love him.
• 31:14
  Open comms radios, Most persistent guest wicket.
• 31:20
  Yeah, welcome back to the show. Citizens long time.
• 31:26
  List Hello. 21st time caller. 22nd, right?
• 31:32
  No. Is this 21?
• 31:36
  No, this is 22. Free time.
• 31:38
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 31:39
  You're using that new math, that galactic math.
• 31:41
  I'm. Bro here's the thing, I I
• 31:43
  physically counted them Terra. Firma.
• 31:46
  Bound I went the. Old math.
• 31:52
  It took me like 40 seconds to count all these episodes and I
• 31:57
  count. I have a list.
• 31:58
  I have a notepad list that I have to keep because I'm getting
• 32:01
  old. I can't remember these things.
• 32:03
  That makes sense. You write big.
• 32:05
  Yeah, anyway. Well.
• 32:08
  Wicked, we're glad to have you here.
• 32:10
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 32:12
  What did you think wicked with this economy survey?
• 32:16
  I, I think, I think I'm going to give a a little different spin
• 32:20
  on the whole survey if I, if I might.
• 32:25
  Fire so. Obviously almost all the
• 32:28
  information except for the subjective stuff and like the
• 32:34
  last question of the of the survey, all of the stuff they
• 32:38
  could have easily data scraped it from their databases and
• 32:41
  gotten that. It gotten clear and concise
• 32:44
  information. I think this survey was more
• 32:48
  about what the player base, you know, they wanted to to, to get
• 32:53
  a pulse of what the players thought of whether it was what
• 32:57
  the perception is, not necessarily what's the actual
• 33:00
  real thing. Obviously there's no economy
• 33:03
  yet. Obviously some of these
• 33:04
  questions are a little topsy turvy.
• 33:07
  I think really the point is missed that they just wanted to
• 33:12
  know what, what we as players think these answers are, not
• 33:17
  necessarily what the the correct answer is.
• 33:19
  It wasn't a test. It was just a survey.
• 33:21
  They just wanted to figure out, OK, what do you guys think is
• 33:24
  the best way to make money? What are you guys?
• 33:26
  What's your favorite activity? You know, that's all they want
• 33:29
  to know. And sometimes you could, you
• 33:32
  could look at it like from, from the lens of what Spectrum had
• 33:35
  said and said, oh, you know, obviously they should already
• 33:38
  know all this stuff. Why are they doing the surveys
• 33:41
  like a waste of time. But I think everybody's missing
• 33:43
  the point. It's this is our, our, our time
• 33:47
  to to chime in and in a more unofficial, official manner.
• 33:52
  I don't know how you want to what the calculus.
• 33:55
  A temperature check, I guess. Right, basically, you know, get
• 33:59
  the pulse of the community and see, see, you know, are they
• 34:02
  working on the right stuff? Is, is, are their efforts in in,
• 34:08
  in the directions that they're pushing most of their efforts
• 34:10
  right now for the PU, is that being well received, etcetera,
• 34:15
  etcetera. This was, I think this was like
• 34:17
  you said, a temperature check, a pulse check, whatever.
• 34:22
  As far as the main thing that I tried to tell them is that they
• 34:26
  should make Cruz Lux real. And you know, that would make
• 34:30
  the game a lot better. Homie you trying to burn a hole
• 34:35
  in my wallet? Not drinking that if I see that
• 34:41
  at the grocery store, but. I I did, I did, I did write a
• 34:44
  little paragraph at the end that end question.
• 34:48
  And basically in a nutshell, I'm, I mean, I'll read it to you
• 34:52
  if you want, but in a nutshell, what it all boils down to is
• 34:54
  that I want my time in the in in in Star Citizens universe to
• 35:00
  matter to that my actions matter.
• 35:06
  Yes, they're valued that there is a reason I log in, there's a
• 35:10
  reason for me to go to an asteroid and mine it.
• 35:15
  You know, obviously this is all ties in with economy and
• 35:18
  crafting, base building. Having been playing, doing on
• 35:23
  doing awakening, I want to do it online.
• 35:27
  Having play been playing, doing awakening a lot, I feel like
• 35:31
  everything I do in that title matters or that there's a reason
• 35:36
  behind what I'm doing. You know, if I pick up that weed
• 35:40
  on the ground, there's a purpose for me picking up that weed
• 35:43
  because I can use that in a crafting recipe.
• 35:45
  I get points to pick up. You know, it's, it's just all
• 35:49
  stupid little stuff like that, but it makes your end game
• 35:54
  activity meaningful. In other words, you're not just
• 35:57
  chasing your tail, going from planet to planet, warping here,
• 36:02
  warping there just to for the elevator to kill you or some
• 36:05
  hacker to fucking strip you naked or all that kind of
• 36:09
  nonsense. But at the end of the day, make
• 36:14
  the game meaningful. And this is not going to happen
• 36:17
  overnight because you have to have reasons to be doing stuff.
• 36:21
  You know, obviously you have the reasons.
• 36:24
  They're getting closer to that with, with, with these missions
• 36:28
  where you have to, you know, get the, the, the, the worm teeth,
• 36:33
  the fangs, the pearls and all this stuff and you have to fight
• 36:36
  for it. That's a step in the right
• 36:38
  direction, I think. But of course there's a, there's
• 36:43
  a lot of issues. And in something like the times
• 36:46
  I have participated in that, believe it or not, I took a
• 36:48
  break from Dune and played a round or two in, in, in those
• 36:53
  missions. And to me, they were kind of
• 36:56
  hack jobs, man. It was just most of the time I
• 36:59
  spent covering a a Med bed so people who responding it, I'd
• 37:04
  kill him instantly. That's just that kind of
• 37:07
  gameplay is just terrible. You didn't like?
• 37:10
  You didn't like the worm? The worm was fine, but like
• 37:15
  obviously there were players that like that were hacking or
• 37:18
  using like Reshade to have like night vision because we were
• 37:23
  ducked behind a boulder and shit and complete dark shadow Tab
• 37:28
  wasn't with us with his glowing helmet at the time, so they
• 37:31
  couldn't see him. But all of a sudden they laser
• 37:36
  focused in on us from like, you know, 200 meters away.
• 37:40
  So that tells me that they were using like something like
• 37:42
  Reshade. They could just see us.
• 37:44
  It was like daylight for them even though we were coping with
• 37:47
  night time rain. Visibility is crap.
• 37:55
  It's lightning, Thunder. The only time you could see
• 37:58
  anything when there was a flash of lightning.
• 38:00
  You know, that's great. I love that part, but I didn't
• 38:04
  love the part where somebody could just fucking pick me out
• 38:06
  of, you know, in in the darkest shadow.
• 38:09
  That's bullshit. But again, you know, I'm sure
• 38:12
  that'll get solved eventually. But as to the survey, I think
• 38:19
  the survey is a good thing overall.
• 38:23
  I don't think you should look at it as it as it being misguided
• 38:26
  from CIGI think them wanting to get your temperature as a player
• 38:30
  is a great thing. And I think everybody should
• 38:33
  participate it participate in that because this is a, you
• 38:38
  know, obviously you're doing it on, on, on, on, on Twitch
• 38:42
  openly. But for most people, it's just
• 38:45
  going to be them and, and, and the survey and they can answer
• 38:47
  however they want and give their feelings.
• 38:50
  And there's no, it's, it's unadulterated information from
• 38:53
  one person's perspective. And you don't have to follow
• 38:56
  anything. It's just you and the survey.
• 38:58
  You give your two cents and you're done.
• 39:01
  And they can, they can quantify that information however they
• 39:03
  want, use it however they want. But I think any any amount of
• 39:06
  data or information that they can garner from the player base,
• 39:10
  hopefully answered answered authentically will be helpful.
• 39:16
  I agree, I like that. I like, I like your take on that
• 39:20
  for sure. So for now Wicket you took the
• 39:25
  survey drag to rank the in game activities you would do even if
• 39:32
  they paid nothing. Temporary sandbox and ship
• 39:41
  combat. So did everybody put temporary
• 39:44
  and sandbox in their top? I think I did sandbox and top
• 39:48
  and then temporary. But yeah, because those are the
• 39:51
  most fun. Those are the those activities,
• 39:54
  the sandbox activities and the temporary activities, those are
• 39:57
  like the most fleshed out. Most they've get get, they've
• 40:02
  received the most developer attention it seems like,
• 40:06
  especially as of late. And they're the most fun game
• 40:08
  loop that you can have. Agreed.
• 40:14
  Yeah, I think so. I mean even on #4 we have
• 40:16
  sandbox and temporary there for our favorites, so.
• 40:19
  If it wasn't for those, I would probably not have put in the
• 40:24
  many hundreds of hours that I put into the game.
• 40:28
  Yeah, I remember. Remember Siege of Orson Dude or
• 40:32
  whatever? You know what?
• 40:33
  That never even fucking worked for me.
• 40:35
  It never worked every single time the elevator was broken and
• 40:38
  I've never actually done the event.
• 40:41
  Wow, you have some trauma. It's it's when it worked.
• 40:44
  I couldn't make I can make that work either.
• 40:46
  Yeah, I remember that one just had bad.
• 40:50
  Yeah, I've heard great things. Never got.
• 40:56
  Like like. Zeno threat when, when you know,
• 40:59
  when we've, when that was one of our only events where you had to
• 41:02
  take your ship and, and, and get the, the, the, the, the
• 41:06
  prolamide or whatever, all the, the blue, the green and the
• 41:09
  yellow boxes and take them back to the gavel and to refuel it
• 41:12
  and all that. That was awesome, man.
• 41:16
  That when it worked and it worked properly, that was such a
• 41:19
  fun time, even with the people coming into PvP.
• 41:23
  And you know, on a lot of cases when that happened, a lot of the
• 41:26
  players that were there to do the mission that gang up on the
• 41:29
  PvP or Oh yeah, it was fun. Yeah, performance was horrible,
• 41:33
  server would crash all the time, missions would break, but.
• 41:38
  The funny thing is hobo when they first the first or second
• 41:41
  time this first or second iteration of them.
• 41:44
  I think it was the second iteration.
• 41:46
  It worked great. It really did eventually.
• 41:49
  Yeah. That, that was my 3.14, was when
• 41:52
  I came into the game and that was my first.
• 41:54
  This was like I was finding it a hurricane with somebody at that.
• 41:56
  I'm thinking more like 3.15 is when it really worked great for
• 42:02
  me back in those. No, didn't they do it?
• 42:04
  They did it recently like. Yeah, but it worked.
• 42:07
  It worked like shit. Half the time the shit weren't
• 42:11
  spawning. It kind of worked.
• 42:14
  All right, so. And I think it comes down to
• 42:16
  that's kind of, you know, how they're trying to, to, to, to
• 42:20
  rewrite the transit system, which includes strams, shuttles
• 42:24
  and elevators, because that's all legacy code that doesn't
• 42:28
  work in their, in their structure anymore.
• 42:30
  And, and so I'm thinking some of those old missions like that
• 42:35
  probably the same thing. They're going to have to be
• 42:37
  rejiggered to work properly in the, in the new, the new
• 42:41
  structure of the how the game back end works.
• 42:44
  But. So no, in light of that, since
• 42:48
  we're talking about the economy, you know who you haven't seen
• 42:51
  from was Tony Z. So I'm I'm thinking like all
• 42:54
  that stuff from 10 years ago or whatever just doesn't exist
• 42:59
  anymore. We.
• 43:01
  Haven't. Heard.
• 43:01
  Anything about it? Well, I don't know if it should
• 43:03
  be a fear. I mean, if if it got left on the
• 43:06
  cutting room floor, maybe there's a reason.
• 43:08
  Right. Yeah, that's that's true too.
• 43:11
  The reason is because they didn't have ChatGPT and clawed
• 43:14
  to help them code it quick enough.
• 43:17
  Maybe. Could have been.
• 43:20
  I'm making a never mind. We'll talk about it next show.
• 43:24
  Tav, we're not ready for this conversation.
• 43:27
  You ain't ready for this tab. You ain't ready.
• 43:29
  For this tab, tab ready. You ain't seen nothing yet.
• 43:33
  So drag trach thinking activities you would do even if
• 43:36
  they paid nothing. What's at the bottom of our
• 43:39
  list? I mean trading because.
• 43:44
  It doesn't make any sense to do that with.
• 43:46
  You're not making money. Free trading.
• 43:48
  I put that at the bottom of my list.
• 43:50
  So I was like, why? Yeah.
• 43:51
  You arguing on global the the. Funny thing is about free
• 43:55
  trading. Free trading used to make a shit
• 43:58
  ton of money. It was like one of the easiest
• 44:00
  ways to make money, but everybody started understanding
• 44:05
  what the loop is because it's the same loop over and over and
• 44:10
  over again. And then the resources started
• 44:13
  drying up. So somebody you'd have to stand
• 44:15
  in line waiting to be able to purchase any, any quantities to
• 44:20
  make enough money to make it worthwhile.
• 44:22
  So that that's probably the shittiest way to make money now.
• 44:28
  Yeah, because they implemented the supply side without doing
• 44:31
  anything with the demand side. So prices don't change, but the
• 44:34
  supply does. Yeah, the lack of being able to
• 44:37
  purchase anything is it's God awful.
• 44:42
  So Tav, do you have any any adjustments you want to make to
• 44:44
  #6 here? Oh, I'm, I'm weird.
• 44:47
  I have personal ones. I mean, I can't I don't care for
• 44:49
  at all for the mining salvage. That's just the last thing.
• 44:53
  I mean, I'd rather just cruise and hauling missions before
• 44:56
  that. But all right, I'll drop it for
• 44:57
  you. It's personal.
• 44:59
  It's personal. So I know some people absolutely
• 45:01
  love it. So this should be tavs answers.
• 45:04
  Is yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, Tav is I'm, I'm
• 45:07
  waiting Tavs. I'm we're, we're, we're, we're
• 45:09
  collective. That forfeited that forfeited
• 45:14
  the right to Tav's own answers when Tav became Tav Tav. 52
• 45:20
  minutes before the show started, when I told TAV we were doing
• 45:23
  this, he forfeited his right. Yeah.
• 45:25
  I was like survey. So much time for an appeal I.
• 45:29
  Was like, oh, you didn't do it yet.
• 45:30
  Great. It works, so we can do it.
• 45:34
  Together, but Tav Tav obviously has a final say so on the
• 45:37
  question 7 on the question 7 rewards, yeah, it the the
• 45:42
  question is just rewards. I didn't even look at.
• 45:44
  So OK, rewards provided for completing missions.
• 45:49
  It's asking you are the rewards providing for completing
• 45:53
  missions much too low? Too low, fine.
• 45:56
  Too high fucking. Hell, what the hell?
• 45:58
  Way too high, but I want everybody to suffer only.
• 46:03
  I don't know, that sounds wrong too, but I just think they're
• 46:05
  pretty high. You think the ward the rewards
• 46:09
  provided for completing missions are too high?
• 46:12
  Well, just with the general state of things, like, you know,
• 46:14
  if I can buy a really nice, you know, weapon and a nice suit of
• 46:17
  armor and I can get fully kitted for what, 10 Ki mean even now,
• 46:22
  now that we don't even risk losing the armor, the the
• 46:25
  currency just feels even more inflated.
• 46:29
  So maybe it's just, maybe it's just me and my perception of
• 46:33
  where the currency is right now, but I just feel like getting
• 46:35
  getting 150K for a mission or something is like a lot.
• 46:38
  I feel like. I feel like that's a lot.
• 46:40
  Yeah, it's a lot of money. Unless you're like killing an
• 46:43
  Idris, I suppose. Yeah, 'cause the ships
• 46:44
  themselves, I mean, I bought like a, an X85I mean, granted
• 46:47
  that's a little tiny, tiny ships, but and and the ships do
• 46:50
  scale pretty aggressively in terms of price.
• 46:53
  But you know, a couple missions, you know, good paying missions
• 46:58
  with a crew. I feel like, you know, a day
• 47:00
  maybe you can pick up a ship easily.
• 47:02
  Maybe it's that way bad design. Maybe that's good.
• 47:04
  I mean, maybe, you know, I don't want there to be a grind.
• 47:07
  Maybe I should you know I immediately see the bad side of.
• 47:10
  It should be a grind. Yeah, I, I mean, maybe that's
• 47:13
  what I say. I kind of make it suffer a
• 47:16
  little bit. You know.
• 47:17
  I always look at this from the point of view of what's the,
• 47:19
  the, the most expensive stuff in the game.
• 47:21
  And currently those are ships, right?
• 47:25
  And for your average player, just think about it, the, the
• 47:30
  way I always thought about this, this type of question is for
• 47:32
  your average player, you know, most, most players are, are
• 47:36
  probably going to be dads or they have significant others or
• 47:39
  they have responsibility. They're they're not going to be
• 47:41
  able to sit here for hours on end, but they may have an hour
• 47:44
  or two a night to play. And in that time, you know, how
• 47:48
  much should they be able to make?
• 47:52
  I guess. I guess that's really the truth.
• 47:53
  But the time of the matter? Not the more, I think.
• 47:55
  About it, because if you really only have amount of time, I
• 47:57
  guess you do need the missions to be because if you do want, I
• 48:01
  mean it's. A yeah, I mean, just to get.
• 48:03
  Saddled up, I mean, popped in with a buddy, you know, with the
• 48:05
  other day and it's, you know, you spend 20. 30.
• 48:09
  Minutes. And then there's just think
• 48:12
  about it, do we server hop? Like that?
• 48:14
  Whole conversation like just to get it going.
• 48:17
  Sometimes it could be 1/2. An hour, 45 minutes before you
• 48:19
  even attempt the first mission because I didn't make the prices
• 48:23
  are fine. I think.
• 48:26
  I think I said they were fine that one.
• 48:28
  They used to be worse, in my opinion, just to pay a lot
• 48:32
  worse, and that was it made missions feel pointless because
• 48:35
  you'd have to do them again and again and it just didn't matter
• 48:38
  before the price, price increases.
• 48:41
  On ships happened a couple of patches ago I would have said
• 48:44
  that it was too high, but now with the prices of ships being
• 48:47
  what they are in game, I think they're fine.
• 48:52
  OK, I I'm. Leaning more to the too high as
• 48:54
  well. Anubis, what do you think all.
• 48:59
  Right as I think Anubis got attacked.
• 49:01
  I'm sorry about that. No, no, no, I'm here.
• 49:03
  Last thing I heard from you was oh shit oh shit.
• 49:07
  Yeah, so I mixed. Two different types.
• 49:09
  Of spray paint together because I'm trying to blend them to get
• 49:11
  a particular metallic coat and fun thing about like actually
• 49:17
  taking spray cane out of out of a can and putting it in a jar.
• 49:20
  It's a lot like soda except on crack.
• 49:25
  So I was watching it bubble and OK, it's foaming up a little bit
• 49:29
  that that that's fine. I stuck a little stick in it to
• 49:31
  give it a little stir and the damn thing just went off like
• 49:33
  Krakatoa Vesuvius. It was insane.
• 49:38
  Like. We'll we'll skip your vote for
• 49:41
  this one. I.
• 49:41
  Suppose what? Oh.
• 49:45
  Are you treating me like TAV? I don't get a say.
• 49:47
  No, no, no. No.
• 49:50
  What do you think? About the rewards.
• 49:52
  For completing. Missions.
• 49:54
  I think that. Are they too?
• 49:57
  Low, too high, fine. I I think they're fine.
• 50:01
  Right now because of the time. Investment like like like wicked
• 50:04
  saying I I just am hoping for the day when a ship isn't the
• 50:08
  only thing you're going for when things are more expensive than a
• 50:12
  ship and they're more valuable for certain reasons than a ship.
• 50:16
  All right, so we're going to. We're going to go with fine.
• 50:18
  Because everyone said, fine, these next three I want to, I
• 50:21
  want to pop through these as quick as we can.
• 50:23
  So potential rewards for free trading much too long.
• 50:29
  Much too low TAV, yes. Yep.
• 50:32
  Yep, wicked Anubis. Low.
• 50:35
  Too long. Very, very low.
• 50:37
  Yeah, OK. Rewards for mining?
• 50:39
  The potential rewards for mining.
• 50:41
  How do we feel? Yeah, too low.
• 50:45
  Too low? I don't know enough.
• 50:47
  Info to comment. On that.
• 50:48
  There's a lot, there's a lot of time spent.
• 50:51
  To. Get set up to go mining and to
• 50:53
  do mining and define mining and yeah, but we make a lot of money
• 50:57
  mining, Yeah, but then. The refining too.
• 50:59
  The refining. Costs money the refining.
• 51:02
  Takes a lot of time. I mean, yeah, it's, it's a long
• 51:05
  drawn out process. Interesting.
• 51:09
  It's an afternoon. Activity, not a.
• 51:12
  You know, and it's like a it's like an all day day off after
• 51:15
  entire afternoon activity, not an evening.
• 51:18
  I got home, want to relax a while back to you're not going
• 51:21
  to pop in for an hour to go. Mining.
• 51:24
  If you're going to go mining, you're going to dedicate some
• 51:26
  time to and well, I pop in for an hour to go mining, but I I'm.
• 51:29
  In my, when I log out, I'm in my prospector and I'm in space,
• 51:33
  Dead Space, Yeah. So when I log back in, I'm right
• 51:36
  now you're, you're, you're harvesting.
• 51:38
  Rocks, you're not doing the whole mining loop.
• 51:41
  Sure I am. Are you?
• 51:44
  Yeah. I you get back, I refine it did.
• 51:47
  Did you refine it? Of course I do.
• 51:49
  And then there's the next time I play I.
• 51:50
  Just go grab it when it's convenient for me to go grab it.
• 51:53
  Oh, so you are I guess if it's the only thing.
• 51:55
  You're doing. Then OK, you know but what they
• 52:00
  have to change. If but.
• 52:02
  The thing is, if I'm. Mining.
• 52:03
  I'm mining for like days because because you're right.
• 52:08
  Because the setup is. Such like kind of a pain that
• 52:11
  I'm like, all right, I'm out in space with my prospector.
• 52:14
  Next time I log in I'm going to just do that that game loop and
• 52:17
  I can do it for an hour or whatever.
• 52:19
  This goes back to a couple of like.
• 52:21
  Temporary missions that we had. When we had that.
• 52:26
  That that event where you could mine and get a shit load of
• 52:30
  money for completing the mining missions basically makes all
• 52:36
  other mining that you that you can do nowadays pale in
• 52:39
  comparison. Right, 'cause the payout sucks
• 52:43
  I. Think that's the core?
• 52:44
  Core point we were trying to get at, yeah.
• 52:48
  So the next. One is I'm going to put too low
• 52:50
  for. Mining, OK, 'cause I think
• 52:52
  they're fine, but I, I'm, I'm with you guys, I'll put too low
• 52:56
  the potential rewards for salvage.
• 53:00
  I think that's fine. I said too low.
• 53:05
  Nubis that's. It's easy to do.
• 53:08
  You know. It's it's it's.
• 53:11
  It's it's. Mind numbing and if I'm going to
• 53:14
  be doing something that boring I would like to be able to earn
• 53:18
  more money because then at least it feels fine.
• 53:20
  Kind of like mining in Elite Dangerous.
• 53:24
  Boring is all heck too low. See, I think all the rewards.
• 53:29
  Are too high. I like this across the board
• 53:31
  here. I'd like all these to be moved
• 53:33
  over 1 to the right where like I just want more.
• 53:38
  I think more grind is better. Because not everyone should be
• 53:41
  able to work their way to a Polaris.
• 53:42
  That's ridiculous and stupid. Yeah, but to get to.
• 53:46
  To a Polaris will take unless it's a.
• 53:50
  Group doing it and. Then the group who's going to be
• 53:52
  the owner and and you know, this opens up a whole, you know, but
• 53:55
  a solo single player to get to a Polaris, that's an achievement
• 53:59
  years. You should have to play for
• 54:01
  years. Two years?
• 54:03
  Oh, I don't think so. That's what I think.
• 54:06
  So. That's a lot.
• 54:07
  That's. Kind of hard, yeah.
• 54:10
  It's fucking hard shit. Dude, hard game.
• 54:13
  OK, well, Star Trek. Online does a similar system
• 54:17
  where you can buy the ships. They're a lot cheaper, like 30
• 54:19
  bucks, and they have certain things that you can take and
• 54:23
  apply to other ships, but you can also earn things that you
• 54:28
  would pay for by completing certain things throughout the
• 54:31
  year. You have to participate in all
• 54:33
  the events. You have to do this.
• 54:34
  And I think a year is, I mean, I, I wouldn't say 2 years, but a
• 54:38
  year of dedication, making sure that you're doing your dailies
• 54:41
  and things like that. I could see that.
• 54:45
  Yeah, right. And and that's it's supposed to
• 54:48
  be a long term. Game so things should take long
• 54:50
  and then if you think about like life, like how long do you have
• 54:53
  to save up for anything fucking 80 years.
• 54:57
  Or you can just go. To highlight store or you can.
• 55:01
  Just put those are that's a different breed.
• 55:03
  You know. All right, these next few guys,
• 55:09
  there's a. Lot of them here.
• 55:11
  So we're going to pop through these OK we're just going to go
• 55:14
  around and each person is going to say much too low, too low,
• 55:17
  fine too high, much too high or no opinion.
• 55:19
  We're talking about the prices of of things.
• 55:24
  So how are the prices of FPS weapons?
• 55:26
  Hobo fine, Drake. Fine.
• 55:31
  Anubis too low? Wicket fine, I think.
• 55:38
  Fine's good. Ammunition.
• 55:41
  Hobo fine tab. On.
• 55:45
  Anubis. Way too.
• 55:48
  Low compared to the with the guns cost.
• 55:51
  Interesting wicket, fine. We're going to put fine I mean
• 55:56
  low end compared to the guns cost.
• 55:57
  I would also yeah, the. Dust seal.
• 55:59
  Anyway, keep going. How do you feel about the prices
• 56:02
  the in? Game prices of ships and
• 56:04
  vehicles hobo too low. Tav.
• 56:10
  Too low Anubis. Too low.
• 56:14
  Wicked. Way too high.
• 56:17
  The ships are way too high, yeah.
• 56:21
  You're you're way out. You're way out of the crowd.
• 56:24
  With this one dude, well if you can buy it with cash money in
• 56:26
  the real. World then, and then you're
• 56:29
  forcing people to, you know, pay these exorbitant prices.
• 56:32
  I think they're too low. They're too high.
• 56:35
  The prices of ships are too high.
• 56:36
  In the game, because people have to pay.
• 56:38
  I understand, you know if you want to make it a.
• 56:42
  Even playing field. Yeah, if you want to make.
• 56:44
  It even playing field. Very interesting.
• 56:48
  That's a very interesting. Take dude, I don't know how I.
• 56:52
  Don't know how to feel but. I'm going to stick with too low
• 56:55
  because you haven't quite changed my mind, but you, you're
• 56:58
  making me think if it is. If anyone changes their mind,
• 57:01
  speak now, OK? The price.
• 57:05
  The prices of ship. Or vehicle weapons.
• 57:08
  They're swipers. They're never going to change.
• 57:11
  Hobo. Too.
• 57:13
  Low tab it's fine. Fine Anubis too low.
• 57:21
  Wicket. Fine.
• 57:23
  We're going to go with fine because TABS has double the
• 57:27
  weight of everybody. Prices of ship and vehicle
• 57:30
  consumables. The price of Cruise Lux much too
• 57:34
  low. Much too low.
• 57:37
  Much too low. There's like no pain the fuel.
• 57:40
  There's no pain, no. Pain point to fly somewhere and
• 57:45
  that would increase. You know.
• 57:47
  But. It's true.
• 57:51
  It's basically free honestly. Consumables are basically free.
• 57:55
  I mean, if we're going to be talking about that like.
• 57:57
  The price of Cruise Lux We do need to note that these days are
• 58:01
  tough. The economy's down, ace, UPS
• 58:03
  down, and even region. When everything seems to be
• 58:06
  down, you can count on Cruise Lux to pick you up with 20% SLAM
• 58:09
  by volume. Lux gives you the power to push
• 58:12
  past the hard parts and make this day your day.
• 58:15
  Cruise Lux give no fucks. Give no fucks responsibly.
• 58:19
  Your clone must be 20. Minutes or older not legal on
• 58:23
  monarchs or Aberdeen. How do you feel about the price
• 58:29
  of ship vehicles and ordinances? Missiles and torpedoes and shit,
• 58:34
  that one. 'S hard because when you're
• 58:36
  talking. 36 mil for like out loading an interest fine.
• 58:43
  Yeah, it's imbalanced. Yeah, it's.
• 58:44
  Fine. Perfect, Tav.
• 58:47
  Yeah, yeah. No problem.
• 58:49
  All right, prices of clothing. They're what?
• 58:54
  Irrelevant. Irrelevant.
• 58:56
  OK, prices. Of.
• 58:57
  Commodities way, way too low these needs to.
• 59:01
  Go way higher. Interesting commodities.
• 59:05
  That that would be Cruise. Lugs.
• 59:08
  I would say exact opposite. But so question #9 in the survey
• 59:15
  they want to know about. Your favorite loot items.
• 59:17
  That's it right there. These are things.
• 59:19
  You're going to find in the in the trash.
• 59:21
  I've automatically put commodities to #1 No, it should
• 59:24
  be #7 should be number. One consumables.
• 59:27
  I've automatically put consumables.
• 59:29
  To #1 very good. OK, I understand.
• 59:32
  I I knew what was happening. Taft, do you anything on this
• 59:36
  list that you want to? My favorite would be.
• 59:39
  FPS attachments OK, but that's probably just me.
• 59:43
  Again, what? Well.
• 59:46
  That's my top 2 or. 3. FBS Attachments.
• 59:49
  Yeah, it's always my favorite to find those.
• 59:53
  And then you get that cool little laser sight and
• 59:55
  different. Colors and then it doesn't work,
• 59:58
  but you know, it's fun finding it.
• 1:00:01
  It was definitely. High on my.
• 1:00:02
  List that with FBS. Weapons and armor and ship
• 1:00:06
  components are really cool. Well, they used to be, before
• 1:00:09
  they kind of got thrown off the deep end for reasons.
• 1:00:17
  All right. Do you have anything else you
• 1:00:19
  want to? Switch from #9 No.
• 1:00:21
  We're good, all right question #10.
• 1:00:23
  How? Long should a system wide event
• 1:00:26
  affect the in game economy after its conclusion or ever.
• 1:00:33
  How? What by?
• 1:00:34
  What metric? How do you measure?
• 1:00:36
  That I know I had the same problem with this question
• 1:00:38
  because. If it's I want the economy by
• 1:00:41
  the dynamics of forever, but at the same time a dynamic economy
• 1:00:45
  will bounce back eventually anyway.
• 1:00:47
  So like a week forever until something else.
• 1:00:50
  Effects it and then that's forever until something that's
• 1:00:53
  cause and effect. That's why I say it forever.
• 1:00:55
  I don't think that's how forever works, but the question is
• 1:00:57
  pretty. Bad anyway.
• 1:01:00
  Well, how? No, that's what they mean,
• 1:01:02
  right? Obviously like if I drop off too
• 1:01:06
  much gold it's a dumb question, but the.
• 1:01:10
  The only real way to answer that would be forever until something
• 1:01:13
  else is the new forever until something else changes the, the,
• 1:01:17
  the, the state. In other words, you know,
• 1:01:20
  somebody finds a giant patch of quantanium.
• 1:01:24
  Now they've, they've loaded up the market.
• 1:01:26
  So now, now that's the new forever.
• 1:01:28
  Or somebody finds a bunch of gold or whatever the case may be
• 1:01:33
  and that now. Or there's a new event that
• 1:01:35
  floods the market with Idris engine parts or some shit.
• 1:01:39
  Who knows? I mean, I'm just making up
• 1:01:41
  random bullshit right now, but you get the point.
• 1:01:44
  Yeah, I mean. Looking at that, I mean.
• 1:01:47
  The the. Way that's.
• 1:01:48
  Worded, it's kind of like, OK, how long?
• 1:01:52
  I mean, should people be flush with cash, you know, like like
• 1:01:56
  doing the delivery missions and making 100 million, making 120
• 1:02:01
  things like that? How long you know, because does
• 1:02:04
  that change the way people play? Are they not engaging in certain
• 1:02:07
  things? And I get that part, but like.
• 1:02:11
  How would they? Fix that, you know, and how,
• 1:02:14
  what, what would they do to make sure that they hit that target
• 1:02:18
  of six months, that it's only going to affect things for six
• 1:02:21
  months or, or or a month? Like do they have balances in
• 1:02:24
  play or they get a wipe that's too much control.
• 1:02:27
  On on that. That's not an economy.
• 1:02:29
  That's basically almost like socialism or communism.
• 1:02:34
  No. No, Some kind of.
• 1:02:36
  ISM. It should be forever until
• 1:02:39
  something else is the new, forever until there's a new
• 1:02:41
  driver, you know, but you have to in in order for something
• 1:02:44
  like that to even work, you have to have sinks and faucets.
• 1:02:47
  Sinks and faucets you got to exactly, you know, and then a
• 1:02:52
  new faucet comes along and the forever has changed to something
• 1:02:56
  else or a new sink has come along.
• 1:02:58
  And, and so it's constantly, the forever is always changing.
• 1:03:02
  But it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be artificially like,
• 1:03:06
  OK, a new event comes along and now the, the, the, the, let's
• 1:03:15
  say Karna ammunition. Let's say Karna is still a good
• 1:03:19
  gun. And let's say Karna ammunition
• 1:03:21
  is, is, is now $1000 per clip for whatever reason.
• 1:03:29
  And now something comes along that makes the the, you know,
• 1:03:34
  all of a sudden there's a run on Karma Karna ammo, and
• 1:03:37
  everybody's trying to sell their Karna ammo because of selling
• 1:03:39
  for so much. But then in a week's time,
• 1:03:42
  somebody realizes, oh, the Karna sucks, the C54IS a good weapon
• 1:03:45
  to have. So now nobody's buying Karna
• 1:03:48
  ammo anymore, so the price automatically goes back down.
• 1:03:51
  It shouldn't be meta chasing. It shouldn't.
• 1:03:54
  Be it shouldn't be artificially. Changed after after a given
• 1:03:58
  amount of time, it should just be organically and change on its
• 1:04:02
  own based on based on market factors and and the system as a
• 1:04:07
  whole. So forever is the answer.
• 1:04:12
  Well, I. Mean I I I'm thinking that
• 1:04:14
  they're. Asking, hey, when should we
• 1:04:16
  implement things that that that? Well, no, I mean like like
• 1:04:22
  you're saying, when should they implement a sink to help start
• 1:04:25
  draining that excess cash that has accumulated?
• 1:04:30
  They shouldn't implement anything.
• 1:04:31
  It should, naturally. Occur.
• 1:04:33
  In other words, a new event happens or there's a new
• 1:04:37
  economic driver that causes it to organically change.
• 1:04:41
  But no, that's what I mean. Somebody doesn't come.
• 1:04:43
  Along and fix the price. That OK Karna ammo isn't 1000
• 1:04:47
  anymore. Now it's 2:50.
• 1:04:50
  That should never happen. After six months or a.
• 1:04:52
  Week or whatever it should just should be forever at 1000 until
• 1:04:56
  nobody's buying it and it comes down naturally yeah and I'm and.
• 1:05:00
  I'm thinking of things like power play like they.
• 1:05:02
  Had an elite where there's literally no reason why I should
• 1:05:06
  fight for this system to be under one power or another, but
• 1:05:09
  being able to now claim it for them and sync those resources.
• 1:05:12
  And there's kind of the the things I'm thinking of that they
• 1:05:15
  would implement and, and, and, you know, are, are they looking
• 1:05:19
  to see how often they space those things out with this
• 1:05:22
  question is what I'm asking. You know, like the that's what
• 1:05:25
  it that's the only thing I can I can think of.
• 1:05:28
  Hold that hold that thought an elite because.
• 1:05:30
  That's I had I actually mentioned that game in this
• 1:05:34
  survey at the end and that's how I was thinking also like about
• 1:05:38
  this question too I. Don't know for me.
• 1:05:42
  For me, you kind of nailed it, Tav.
• 1:05:44
  It is your survey question #10 how long should a system wide
• 1:05:48
  event affect the in game economy?
• 1:05:51
  Oh, I mean, I, Yeah. I'm kind of with, with you all,
• 1:05:54
  not forever, right? I mean, that's ideally, ideally
• 1:05:57
  forever, but I know there's balance issues and you know, so.
• 1:06:03
  Tav #11, do you currently engage?
• 1:06:05
  In or have interest in free trade using your own UEC to buy
• 1:06:09
  goods at one location and sell them for profit.
• 1:06:13
  Does anyone not Easy peasy I. Don't care until.
• 1:06:18
  It actually matters. Yeah, right.
• 1:06:22
  That's the other. Part of this So when trading,
• 1:06:25
  how do you balance risk and profit potential?
• 1:06:31
  This could be an. Interesting one.
• 1:06:32
  Let's start with. Hobo here.
• 1:06:35
  Oh, this is. Different.
• 1:06:37
  They updated the. Survey This was not on.
• 1:06:39
  My survey No. No so when training at.
• 1:06:45
  Some point. How do you balance risk?
• 1:06:47
  And profit. Potential Do you strongly prefer
• 1:06:50
  safe and low profit routes? Somewhat prefer safe and low
• 1:06:54
  profit routes. No preference or somewhat prefer
• 1:06:57
  riskier routes or strongly prefer risky high profit routes.
• 1:07:01
  I have a dumbfounded look on my face for a couple.
• 1:07:03
  Reasons or not to gank? It's like I would probably take
• 1:07:11
  the somewhat. Prefer safe, low profit.
• 1:07:16
  Routes I guess. Interesting.
• 1:07:19
  Tav, what do you do? I'm just on the other side of
• 1:07:23
  that, no. Preference, but somewhat prefers
• 1:07:25
  risky. Interesting, Anubis.
• 1:07:28
  And wicked. I'm strongly prefer risky.
• 1:07:32
  High profit routes. There's a whole reason now to
• 1:07:36
  fly with friends and share some of.
• 1:07:39
  Yeah exactly. Yep.
• 1:07:42
  Some of the most. Fun I've had was.
• 1:07:44
  Being completely loaded up with way too much money on my on my
• 1:07:48
  ship and getting pulled out of warp.
• 1:07:54
  They disable me. They actually bored me and shoot
• 1:07:57
  me, man, shoot me FPS as as I'm trying to as I'm trying to get
• 1:08:02
  away from them. That was fun.
• 1:08:03
  And and that is if I'm going to lose things, I'd rather lose it
• 1:08:07
  to that than a glitch. So how much fun?
• 1:08:11
  Have we had over the over the years heading down to Brios to
• 1:08:16
  drop off XYZ to, to sell at the kiosk and all the shenanigans
• 1:08:22
  that came out of that? Oh yeah, that's high risk, high
• 1:08:27
  reward. All right, I'm I'm actually.
• 1:08:30
  With hobo on this so I'm going to stick with tabs answer OK,
• 1:08:34
  because it because it's his so it's tabs.
• 1:08:36
  It's somewhat risky high profit routes.
• 1:08:39
  Yeah, question 13 This one threw me for a loop.
• 1:08:43
  OK, this is different too. I didn't have this one.
• 1:08:46
  Re in really OK, Nope. I didn't have this whole page.
• 1:08:50
  Interesting. What is the most?
• 1:08:53
  Profitable. Commodity for you to trade among
• 1:08:57
  the following. Also Ian hides.
• 1:09:00
  I've never even. I don't know what that is.
• 1:09:01
  You don't do what that is. That's a screwed up stuff.
• 1:09:04
  Yeah. Cargo container that comes on
• 1:09:07
  the ships. Of the MPC cargo carriers and
• 1:09:11
  you could take it to to sell it used to be super high value it's
• 1:09:17
  interesting it's. It's it's it's.
• 1:09:19
  Their skins. But that species is sentient or
• 1:09:22
  sapient. Sorry.
• 1:09:24
  Oh, really? Yeah, it's really.
• 1:09:26
  Bad. What?
• 1:09:28
  I've never seen these in the game.
• 1:09:30
  A Zoe and hide. So they're like, these are this
• 1:09:32
  is like, they're like a, they're like a.
• 1:09:35
  Aren't the hides? That tear above the the the
• 1:09:37
  Weevil legs as far. As yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:44
  They're very rare. They're very.
• 1:09:46
  Rare. We hardly.
• 1:09:47
  I hardly ever saw those back in the day.
• 1:09:50
  What's an Azoian look like? They wear purple.
• 1:09:56
  A. Multi limb insectoid race and
• 1:10:04
  they use pattern flashes of color to communicate and well
• 1:10:12
  the wiki says. Ozoians are covered in a.
• 1:10:14
  Coarse spiky fur to catch water to counteract the planet's high
• 1:10:19
  gravity. Its powerful legs are the
• 1:10:22
  species largest appendage. They connect to the body at what
• 1:10:25
  would be the shoulder on a human.
• 1:10:28
  Forearms extend from the torso. The top 2 much more developed
• 1:10:32
  than the lower pair. Like Sebulba, right?
• 1:10:36
  Yeah, it's Sebulba from Star Wars.
• 1:10:38
  They have 6. Eyes of varying sizes on an
• 1:10:41
  almost bug like head. They're the sebulbas.
• 1:10:45
  That's great. Well.
• 1:10:46
  Fucking. Fuck Sebulba.
• 1:10:49
  So and they've been skinned and put in a cargo.
• 1:10:52
  Container and now you. Can loot it, yeah.
• 1:10:54
  Yeah. I don't know anyone.
• 1:10:55
  Else from Sebulba. 'S race, so it's those.
• 1:10:58
  Slimmos, the race is. The Doug.
• 1:11:01
  Dougs, Doug. You have a Doug.
• 1:11:04
  All right, so what's the most profitable?
• 1:11:06
  Commodity. For you to trade among the
• 1:11:07
  following. So they're asking us.
• 1:11:10
  So it's obviously Azoian Heights, but nobody knew this.
• 1:11:13
  This is such a weird question because wouldn't they know
• 1:11:17
  what's the most profitable commodity?
• 1:11:20
  Maybe what is it? How they test?
• 1:11:21
  Who's taking the survey? Again, this is this.
• 1:11:25
  They don't. Even trade.
• 1:11:26
  This is the temperature. Track question.
• 1:11:28
  It's simple. I agree with the wicked here.
• 1:11:30
  This is. Not a they.
• 1:11:32
  They know this. They're just judging.
• 1:11:34
  There's not a right or a lot of these are.
• 1:11:35
  There's no right. Or wrong.
• 1:11:37
  This one is though this one definitely has the right answer.
• 1:11:40
  Yes, yeah. So I.
• 1:11:43
  Didn't answer this one. I skipped.
• 1:11:44
  I skipped. These, I mean, I mean honestly,
• 1:11:49
  like. They should just.
• 1:11:51
  Know to just improve that part. Too, for players to be aware of
• 1:11:55
  these things themselves and they've made strides in it.
• 1:11:57
  But like, I don't see how this is relevant.
• 1:12:01
  I mean, you didn't have any of these questions.
• 1:12:02
  Didn't you? I.
• 1:12:04
  Didn't have these at all. I didn't either.
• 1:12:07
  That's wild. Maybe.
• 1:12:07
  They're adding Azoian. Hides more prominently in the
• 1:12:11
  game. No, I think they screwed up and
• 1:12:13
  they the. The initial link was incomplete
• 1:12:16
  and they finally they completed it.
• 1:12:18
  Yeah, because it's the same link.
• 1:12:20
  Yeah, I guess you could do the. Survey again.
• 1:12:25
  How did you determine? The above.
• 1:12:27
  Selection is the most profitable.
• 1:12:29
  So we're saying, oh, Zoe and Heights are the most profitable
• 1:12:31
  because they are. Now how did we determine that?
• 1:12:33
  By checking the trading information, by asking other
• 1:12:36
  players. We asked other players.
• 1:12:38
  We we we literally did this in right.
• 1:12:40
  Now so I decided it myself. Universe bends to my will, so 15
• 1:12:48
  is dragon. Rank the following features.
• 1:12:50
  In order of importance for a shop kiosk, an item kiosk or
• 1:12:54
  shop for most important or least important, I guess we're to have
• 1:13:00
  in stock. Oh God, price trends like.
• 1:13:03
  Price needs to change. Yeah, overwhelmingly.
• 1:13:07
  Price is such an important part. Of an economy.
• 1:13:12
  What about buy, sell location? Best Buy low so I put that like.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah, I think you. Got to get get something like
• 1:13:20
  that up in. There, you know, up in #2.
• 1:13:23
  I put it high up there just because not everybody.
• 1:13:25
  Knows to like the game, doesn't tell you to get on.
• 1:13:29
  I don't know what's the the the all the various stars and apps
• 1:13:32
  to look at the prices of. It'd be nice to have.
• 1:13:36
  That information in the. Game it'd be cool for one of
• 1:13:38
  those economy boards with all the.
• 1:13:40
  Charts and numbers on it had actual charts and numbers.
• 1:13:43
  Yeah, and you should be able to search.
• 1:13:46
  For even a commodity that's not sold at that location, not just
• 1:13:50
  be able to see where it sells more or less, but like also you
• 1:13:55
  could see things that aren't sold there.
• 1:13:57
  So you go, oh crap, I'm at the wrong place.
• 1:13:59
  Where is it? And you could be able to search
• 1:14:00
  that in game. So what are out to on the
• 1:14:03
  bottom? Here these are all pretty.
• 1:14:08
  I don't care about item popularity yet.
• 1:14:11
  Recent transactions. Sure.
• 1:14:14
  Put that at the bottom like OK. So dragon rank the.
• 1:14:19
  Following features in order of importance.
• 1:14:20
  For an admin commodity trading kiosk from an admin.
• 1:14:25
  So this is different, it's an admin.
• 1:14:27
  But when I answered this I just copied what I did.
• 1:14:30
  The above question I would just copy is hang on a. 2nd.
• 1:14:36
  OK, so we will just copy. What we did there, Best Buy
• 1:14:42
  locations, what's our first one price?
• 1:14:44
  Trends is #1. There we go.
• 1:14:47
  All right, so we're almost done with the survey.
• 1:14:49
  We have three questions left on the Star Citizen economy.
• 1:14:54
  Feedback. Survey, I want to thank you all
• 1:14:56
  for coming in and joining Open Comms Radio and helping us
• 1:15:00
  answer this. And if you're out there and you.
• 1:15:02
  Haven't answered the survey. Go answer it.
• 1:15:06
  All right, Go do a favor. Wicca was right.
• 1:15:09
  They're asking for your opinion. I mean, come on, you're you're
• 1:15:13
  going to write it on Spectrum or open or what?
• 1:15:18
  I was at blue sky, God forbid around the.
• 1:15:21
  Other. The other.
• 1:15:23
  Platforms, by the way, to have I.
• 1:15:25
  Want to talk to you? I think we should.
• 1:15:27
  Start posting this on Rumble. No, no, no, no.
• 1:15:33
  Truth. True social.
• 1:15:35
  I think. I.
• 1:15:37
  Just think we would be well. Received I will boycott the
• 1:15:41
  show. Larger Listen, listen.
• 1:15:45
  Never mind, I'm not even going to.
• 1:15:47
  Say you know what? It's a.
• 1:15:47
  Star Citizen podcast. I'm sorry, I did.
• 1:15:49
  That sorry OK #17 which of the following ways should other
• 1:15:54
  players actions influence prices in in game shops for all
• 1:16:00
  players? This is a dumb question, but
• 1:16:02
  it's a. Check mark box so you can check
• 1:16:05
  them all or. Uncheck them all.
• 1:16:06
  So which of the following ways should other players actions
• 1:16:09
  influence the prices in in game shops?
• 1:16:11
  Should piracy influence the prices?
• 1:16:13
  Should free trading? Should Luton salvage the system
• 1:16:16
  wide events? Should hauling?
• 1:16:17
  Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think that's
• 1:16:19
  question hauling missions. That's the only one I didn't.
• 1:16:21
  Check. Really.
• 1:16:23
  No, I think it should. Elite Dangerous.
• 1:16:26
  We can. Talk about it now.
• 1:16:29
  This is the You flood that station.
• 1:16:30
  You flood that station. With like a whole bunch of
• 1:16:32
  Atrusia dachshund and the price goes down, you know, I mean,
• 1:16:36
  totally, of course. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:37
  But missions I'm talking about like.
• 1:16:39
  The missions that everyone has to take, I think even those as
• 1:16:43
  well, yeah. OK.
• 1:16:46
  So I mean, what's the? Point of it 'cause you, you,
• 1:16:48
  you. Get the mission because there's
• 1:16:49
  no medical supplies on Port Tressler and Port Tressler needs
• 1:16:54
  them so you get a delivery to send medical supplies.
• 1:16:57
  Somebody buys all of the, you know, cruise Lux on port, God
• 1:17:03
  forbid, right? And then they're like, then an
• 1:17:07
  order automatically goes out for a shipment of cruise locks to
• 1:17:11
  port wrestler and you have to deliver them.
• 1:17:13
  Yeah. If we're talking that way, sure.
• 1:17:17
  18 Dragon rank. The following ways you'd be most
• 1:17:20
  excited to spend excess in game UEC, from most appealing to
• 1:17:26
  least appealing. So how do you want to?
• 1:17:29
  Spend your UEC. In game, on survival mechanics,
• 1:17:34
  on unlockable experiences, they say, like missions, locations,
• 1:17:38
  narrative content, on skins, on luxury or novelty.
• 1:17:43
  Items. Like rare collectibles, branded
• 1:17:45
  goods or vanity items? Or would you want to spend your
• 1:17:48
  UEC on emotes and social gestures?
• 1:17:51
  Let's start with hobo. What's what's?
• 1:17:53
  Your top. Two, my top two were unlockable.
• 1:17:56
  Experiences and skins and visual customization.
• 1:18:01
  Interesting TAV, what are your top 2?
• 1:18:03
  I go with that exact same top. Two Anubis?
• 1:18:09
  Yep, and. Wicket.
• 1:18:13
  Emotes and social gestures. That's in your top two, no?
• 1:18:19
  OK. Thank goodness dude, because
• 1:18:21
  that was my. Bottom.
• 1:18:23
  That was my bottom also total. At the very bottom I think I
• 1:18:27
  put. If I remember correctly, I.
• 1:18:29
  Put in skins 1st and novelty, luxury or novelty items the
• 1:18:35
  second. Yeah, so I swapped luxury.
• 1:18:39
  Novelty items and skins. I had luxury and novelty items a
• 1:18:42
  second and skins is fourth because I don't know, I just
• 1:18:47
  feel like once I get the skin I want, I'm not going to change
• 1:18:49
  it. That's fair.
• 1:18:52
  Well, what if? Something better new?
• 1:18:53
  That you like. Better comes along.
• 1:18:55
  Yeah, maybe, but that doesn't happen often.
• 1:18:58
  Like in just in my experience base decor.
• 1:19:01
  And armor. Yeah, base decor.
• 1:19:03
  Maybe I just didn't read it. I think we're we're a lot of.
• 1:19:07
  These games really miss the mark as far as skins go is skins are
• 1:19:12
  kind of meaningless because they're all the same.
• 1:19:16
  You know, once you have that one skin that everybody has, that
• 1:19:19
  everybody has it, how unique are you anymore?
• 1:19:22
  Are you going to be unique because you mix and matched?
• 1:19:25
  It with some other. BS, but being able to really
• 1:19:29
  customize skins that's I mean, I that to me would be like the
• 1:19:34
  Holy Grail, because people will fight over shit like that.
• 1:19:39
  You know, just you just look at our discord, how many people
• 1:19:41
  post what their shit looks like and their players, their their
• 1:19:44
  character looks like and and stuff people people really dig
• 1:19:48
  that kind of stuff. Vinyl decals of your.
• 1:19:52
  Org on your. Armor, you know like got 9 tails
• 1:19:56
  right? Cool with 10 tails here look
• 1:19:58
  boom that you could put it on your armor.
• 1:20:00
  Well, that shit, you might. You buy it once.
• 1:20:03
  What I'm 1 of what I'm thinking is.
• 1:20:05
  Like, you know, the armor kind of is all same same, but what if
• 1:20:08
  you could mix and match color swatches on different parts of
• 1:20:12
  the armor and modify it that way so you can come up with unique
• 1:20:17
  looks. You know, somebody maybe come
• 1:20:19
  along and copy it, but initially it's your look.
• 1:20:23
  I mean, I'd like to do it. I mean.
• 1:20:26
  They're they're trying to make. GTA Online.
• 1:20:28
  In space. So why not have low Stanton
• 1:20:32
  customs? They have, isn't it, cousin?
• 1:20:38
  Crows, they have it. They got cousin crows.
• 1:20:41
  Yeah, but. There's always a ship.
• 1:20:43
  Inside of Cousin Crows. That is like up on blocks
• 1:20:45
  getting work on. So we're we're coming to the end
• 1:20:50
  of this. Survey we're coming to the end
• 1:20:52
  of the show. It's our last question and the
• 1:20:55
  last question they gave us was an open-ended question.
• 1:20:58
  It's tell us your ideal Star Citizen fantasy, and then in in
• 1:21:03
  parentheses it says NSFW. Can I?
• 1:21:08
  What would you? Can I say what I what?
• 1:21:12
  I I wrote it down, I have it. Ready to go?
• 1:21:14
  OK, I'm here for it. Yeah, go for it.
• 1:21:16
  So what I wrote was. Complete and total immersion, no
• 1:21:21
  need for third party apps. In game voice and chat features
• 1:21:24
  keep me in the game and everything works seamless.
• 1:21:28
  Seamlessly coordinate with my Guild to organize and deploy
• 1:21:31
  multiple teams across our area of Operation Harvest and collect
• 1:21:36
  resources that allow us to build our home in the Verse and defend
• 1:21:39
  it against all hostiles. Make everything we do in game
• 1:21:43
  matter and meaningful to some extent.
• 1:21:47
  And I put as an aside, look at games like Awakening.
• 1:21:51
  While DA doesn't have near the fidelity of SC, it's extremely
• 1:21:56
  fun to play. Feel like everything I do in
• 1:21:58
  that game matters. I want, I want to be clear.
• 1:22:02
  Dare I say I need to log into DEA?
• 1:22:05
  Do an Awakening while SC is currently an afterthought?
• 1:22:09
  That's what I wrote in that spot.
• 1:22:13
  I don't have the same I. Haven't played as much Dune as
• 1:22:16
  you but I don't have the same opinion that I don't feel like
• 1:22:19
  everything in Dune is meaningful.
• 1:22:24
  We can talk about that later, but I I wouldn't want them to
• 1:22:30
  just make like a because Dune. It's a good survival game, but
• 1:22:34
  that's because you've avoided most of the.
• 1:22:36
  Game that's why I've avoided a lot of it.
• 1:22:38
  Yeah. So that's.
• 1:22:39
  Why you feel that way? I might, yeah.
• 1:22:43
  That's. Fair.
• 1:22:43
  OK, I bought IA 100. I'm 100% with you, dude.
• 1:22:47
  On on on that. That's close to kind of the the
• 1:22:52
  vibe I had a new, I mean, let's face it.
• 1:22:58
  The the the. The Star.
• 1:22:59
  Citizen has some of the best game fidelity that is currently
• 1:23:02
  available out there, no question and and if we.
• 1:23:05
  Can leverage some of these. Other things from some from
• 1:23:08
  other experiences that I've had recently, it would be like
• 1:23:13
  these. I wouldn't.
• 1:23:13
  I would have. No reason to go.
• 1:23:15
  Anywhere else, that's all I'm saying.
• 1:23:18
  Sorry. Go ahead, Anubis.
• 1:23:21
  My ideal. Starfit is a fantasy.
• 1:23:26
  So there I was on the bridge of the Idris.
• 1:23:29
  We had just taken it after Zeno threat, right?
• 1:23:32
  And Rowena Dooley walks in and she's like, I got to thank you
• 1:23:36
  for how much you've helped Stanton, right?
• 1:23:39
  And we just lock eyes, you know, just just, you know, that the
• 1:23:42
  connection, you know? The the question involved UEC.
• 1:23:52
  And if you had infinite all the items just to just to.
• 1:23:56
  Put some guide rails on that. You know if if I.
• 1:24:02
  Had everything he wants to have a romance under.
• 1:24:06
  Duress. OK.
• 1:24:07
  Moving on. No, I mean.
• 1:24:10
  If I had everything, I. Mean.
• 1:24:12
  It comes down to PvP at that point because right now having
• 1:24:15
  everything you know, I mean, that's all you.
• 1:24:19
  Can do if. If you don't want for anything,
• 1:24:22
  it's just competition against others, so that's close.
• 1:24:26
  To what I sort of. Put is that I wanted.
• 1:24:28
  To build out my own little properties in the org and help
• 1:24:33
  others. Yep.
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  Tab. What about you?
• 1:24:41
  You're a servant. I.
• 1:24:43
  I just want the. Exploration, I mean the Ideally
• 1:24:47
  it'd be nice to have a just to go somewhere anywhere, you know
• 1:24:52
  pick a direction you see a nebula, planet, just different
• 1:24:55
  stuff that and you know not have it be the event that everybody.
• 1:25:00
  Knows about somebody. 'S already been there run it
• 1:25:03
  several times just anything the more organic they can make this
• 1:25:06
  game where you can just hop in and then just discover some
• 1:25:10
  crazy stuff would be that's that star on the left got.
• 1:25:14
  It exactly photo. Competition.
• 1:25:18
  With prizes. Landscape.
• 1:25:25
  I mean, they're not really. Prominent.
• 1:25:29
  It's. Special it's on spectrum so tab
• 1:25:35
  I put I just want the exploration I.
• 1:25:37
  Want to go somewhere and go somewhere organically?
• 1:25:41
  Yes. I mean, you'll have like, you
• 1:25:44
  know? They'll be I like.
• 1:25:46
  The idea of the lawless area, I mean they they've already got
• 1:25:48
  kind of the lower there. They just I have to randomize.
• 1:25:52
  Things you know. I, I feel like the more random
• 1:25:57
  events that you can make just, I'm not afraid of RNG if it
• 1:26:02
  creates all sorts of different scenarios.
• 1:26:04
  So, and they've got some of that.
• 1:26:06
  I just think it's, I'm really hoping it's the start or first
• 1:26:11
  layer of the onion, so to speak, but we'll see that we're getting
• 1:26:15
  complexity in some of these events.
• 1:26:17
  I just want all of it. All right, well, I'm going to
• 1:26:22
  submit this. On your behalf to Avrose, fire
• 1:26:25
  away. You are submitted.
• 1:26:29
  I hope you feel feel good about that.
• 1:26:33
  I feel like a participant in the.
• 1:26:36
  Community, what I'm talking about.
• 1:26:39
  Yeah. That's what we need, community.
• 1:26:43
  You know, I, I. Think it stays like.
• 1:26:46
  This where we all shine as star citizens.
• 1:26:53
  Yeah. You, whatever.
• 1:26:55
  Man, you know. Thanks for the ad read.
• 1:26:59
  But get out. All right.
• 1:27:05
  Well, that's. That that's, I mean, that's it
• 1:27:07
  for the. Show.
• 1:27:07
  That's it for I've said my piece today.
• 1:27:12
  Other than oh, I'm sorry, no, we do have one.
• 1:27:14
  We do have one. Something to say, and it's from
• 1:27:18
  Duke Lado. Oh, I almost forgot this.
• 1:27:21
  So, Duke. Lado said he said it before and
• 1:27:25
  he'll say it again. More windows.
• 1:27:31
  Oh yeah. That was, I think he.
• 1:27:33
  Referenced what was it a Reddit post or something?
• 1:27:36
  Somebody fixed their but what I say.
• 1:27:41
  And MSR. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:43
  That's what it was. Yeah, so I think 100% a hundred
• 1:27:47
  from what I've heard from him. Man if.
• 1:27:49
  Duke's fantasy is just to have a ship with windows.
• 1:27:53
  I mean, you're in a space. Game you should be able to see
• 1:27:55
  space. Get a Connie Phenix and join the
• 1:27:58
  club. We got Windows, yeah.
• 1:28:01
  But yeah, more windows in a spaceship.
• 1:28:04
  Is the worst thing you could. Do that's just easy point of
• 1:28:08
  failure. No, the windows are
• 1:28:11
  structurally. More sound than the hull.
• 1:28:14
  Next you're going to say putting the bridge.
• 1:28:16
  On the top of the enterprise, just like on a Spire, was a
• 1:28:20
  mistake. Like, come on, now you're
• 1:28:22
  talking crazy. You're putting it in the middle
• 1:28:25
  of the circle. It's like the bull's eye.
• 1:28:27
  Oh, where do I shoot this ship? It's right there in the middle
• 1:28:30
  of the circle. Standing out right there.
• 1:28:32
  I see it. It's outlined.
• 1:28:35
  It looks cool. All.
• 1:28:38
  Right. Well, this was this was.
• 1:28:40
  We could call it the big. Economy.
• 1:28:41
  Show we could, we won't. But we.
• 1:28:44
  Could the gig? Economy Show.
• 1:28:48
  Oh, that's good. That's good.
• 1:28:51
  Now I. End of shows like these, I like
• 1:28:54
  to end it with a little question for all of our our guests.
• 1:28:57
  Our first guest today was Cosmic Kobo.
• 1:28:59
  Cosmic Kobo. Is there anything you want to
• 1:29:01
  say to CIG, Chris Roberts, or the people on the Internet?
• 1:29:05
  I'll keep it the end of the show.
• 1:29:07
  This time please give. US a dynamic economy, please.
• 1:29:14
  Indeed, supply demand. Lord Anubis.
• 1:29:18
  Anything you want to say to CIG, Chris Roberts or the people and
• 1:29:21
  Internet for the love of. God plagiarized Star Wars
• 1:29:26
  Galaxies old economy. Just do it and and hurry up.
• 1:29:30
  But that clod or ChatGPT, whatever you use, just just do
• 1:29:34
  it. No, don't.
• 1:29:36
  Don't use chat. GPT everybody does.
• 1:29:39
  That's yeah, that's why. Shit's not just.
• 1:29:41
  Hallucinating some bullshit. Things are not moving forward
• 1:29:47
  the way I'd like though. Or programming it's.
• 1:29:51
  The only point where it's actually really great because it
• 1:29:54
  could take six months to turn it into a week.
• 1:29:58
  That's the. Only.
• 1:29:59
  Everything else it. Just steals humanity, but that
• 1:30:02
  particular thing, it's a great tool.
• 1:30:04
  Yeah, Yeah, I think that makes. Sense I've been.
• 1:30:07
  Using it for like scripting and stuff.
• 1:30:08
  Anyway, whatever Wicket. Anything you want to say to CIG,
• 1:30:11
  Chris Roberts or the people on the Internet?
• 1:30:14
  Yes, of course. Now I recently watched the ISC
• 1:30:19
  and at the end they shared their vision for the loot screen and
• 1:30:24
  inventory management and all like UI changes.
• 1:30:28
  Don't let that take a year or two.
• 1:30:31
  That should be implemented like yesterday.
• 1:30:33
  Bro. Yes, please.
• 1:30:37
  Can I emphasize? I'm going to clip that.
• 1:30:40
  That needs to be like, I'm going to clip that.
• 1:30:44
  Everyone hears that share. It and shout it on the rooftops
• 1:30:50
  100%. I did that, I get called the
• 1:30:52
  cops. On me.
• 1:30:55
  Tav anything you want to say to CIG Chris?
• 1:30:57
  Roberts or the people on Internet?
• 1:31:00
  I don't ask you that. I don't.
• 1:31:01
  Ask you that. I yeah, no, OK.
• 1:31:04
  Yeah, yeah. No, you can answer it, but like
• 1:31:06
  I don't traditionally. He is asking, I guess I'll, I
• 1:31:10
  guess. This time.
• 1:31:12
  The I feel like. Ship names.
• 1:31:15
  If you sold them in game for alpha AUC, let people name their
• 1:31:19
  ships. It would be so cool make it a
• 1:31:22
  decal on the Dang texture like and then everybody could name
• 1:31:27
  their ship something and I think that would add a lot to the
• 1:31:29
  game. Like like they currently have
• 1:31:33
  where the name is. So tiny you got to be like up
• 1:31:37
  eyeball width. Yeah, but give it to everybody
• 1:31:39
  instead of like the. 6 ships it's on now and if you paid X
• 1:31:43
  amount I mean a real dog just like just give it to everybody
• 1:31:45
  but you can't even see the name without the you.
• 1:31:48
  Have to be like right on. Top of the ship.
• 1:31:50
  To see the name shows up on. Scans does it.
• 1:31:56
  Yeah. I mean Sig's.
• 1:31:58
  Aversion to. Allowing people to identify that
• 1:32:01
  there is another human that they're playing a massively
• 1:32:03
  multiplayer online game with is really crazy.
• 1:32:06
  Honestly, the they they so are. Missing the boat on chip
• 1:32:11
  customizations, armor customizations, there's Oh yeah,
• 1:32:15
  they're, they're too busy. If they want to monetize, that's
• 1:32:18
  that's where they would. They think they made a lot of
• 1:32:21
  money on selling ships. Customize them.
• 1:32:26
  Yeah. I mean, you see how Schweetz?
• 1:32:29
  Any gotcha game? Any gotcha game out there?
• 1:32:32
  Is perfect there's look man, we can we can only fucking.
• 1:32:41
  Tell them the obvious so many times.
• 1:32:45
  I think that's the. Real frustration with this quiz.
• 1:32:48
  Or survey in the end look jar jar's ship has.
• 1:32:53
  A name. It's called the Joe.
• 1:32:55
  No, that's sheets. I don't have a fucking.
• 1:32:57
  Drake dude, fuck Drake. Fuck Drake.
• 1:33:02
  Also the shit the. Drake ships in the game.
• 1:33:06
  Drake. Hold up, why would you be?
• 1:33:10
  Talking bad about Drake, right? Now that's.
• 1:33:17
  It's. It's 22 episodes.
• 1:33:20
  Do you make some response? Yeah, they are they.
• 1:33:23
  Sent over a They sent over a commercial.
• 1:33:27
  Oh, that was Drake. Wash it off first.
• 1:33:30
  No, no. No Well, TA, we did it 22
• 1:33:34
  episodes. 21 it's done. All right.
• 1:33:38
  Tab is Thank you for joining us this evening.
• 1:33:42
  Done, done, done. Done, done, done.