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Is The NCAA About To Close The Dan Lanning Loophole? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to buck Eyes tomorrow morning for Wednesday, October sixteenth,
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, tom or the Nebraska game in ten days,
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  Speaker 1: the game against Michigan in forty five days. Got to
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  Speaker 1: take a look back at one of the crucial moments
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  Speaker 1: from the very end of Saturday Nights thirty two to
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  Speaker 1: thirty one Oregon win over Ohio State. This was a penalty.
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  Speaker 1: It was not the offensive pass interference penalty. It was
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  Speaker 1: a penalty that Oregon took on defense and apparently intentionally
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  Speaker 1: took on defense right at the end of the game,
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  Speaker 1: got the clock from ten seconds to six seconds by
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  Speaker 1: giving up just five yards of field position. It was
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  Speaker 1: a pretty smart move and everyone sort of afterwards was wondering,
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  Speaker 1: hey was that intentional. Dan Lanning, organ coach, on Monday,
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  Speaker 1: said quote, we spend an inordinate amount of time on situations,
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  Speaker 1: and there are some situations that don't show up very
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  Speaker 1: often in college football. But this is one that obviously
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  Speaker 1: we have worked on so you can see the result.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like a yeah, we did that intentionally to me
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  Speaker 1: and to a lot of other folks, including the folks
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  Speaker 1: in charge of college football rules. But now they may
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  Speaker 1: be making a change to that college football role. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about that with everybody Cakes noonfucka
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  Speaker 1: Huddle dot Com. But first, what's everyone's favorite thing that
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  Speaker 1: we do on these shows? Periodically? We're going to read
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  Speaker 1: some rules. Now, this is not conference by laws, but
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  Speaker 1: I do want to set this up with what the
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  Speaker 1: rule is right now in terms of substitution and having
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  Speaker 1: more than eleven players on the field. So get out
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  Speaker 1: your college football rule books. We're going to be reading
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  Speaker 1: from page FR sixty three of the twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 1: College Football Rulebook, more than eleven players on the field,
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  Speaker 1: Article three. A team A may not break the huddle
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  Speaker 1: with more than eleven players, nor keep more than eleven
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  Speaker 1: players in the huddle or in a formation for more
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  Speaker 1: than three seconds. Officials shall stop the action whether or
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  Speaker 1: not the ball has been snapped penalty dead ball foul
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  Speaker 1: five yards from the succeeding spot. However, that was not
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  Speaker 1: the rule that was applied because the players were not
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  Speaker 1: in a huddle, they were kind of moving in and out.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like there was maybe some confusion. There was
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  Speaker 1: at least the appearance of some confusion, so that one
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  Speaker 1: was not the one that was applied. It was this
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  Speaker 1: next one, which is Article three B. Team B is
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  Speaker 1: allowed to briefly retain more than a eleven players on
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  Speaker 1: the field to anticipate the offensive formation, but it may
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  Speaker 1: not have more than eleven players in the field when
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  Speaker 1: the ball is snapped. The infraction is treated as a
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  Speaker 1: live ballfoul penalty live ball foul five yards at the
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  Speaker 1: previous spot. So that addresses a couple things. Number one,
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  Speaker 1: why it was a live ball foul and why the
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  Speaker 1: clock ran. And number two, there were folks who were wondering,
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  Speaker 1: didn't that used to be a fifteen yard penalty and
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  Speaker 1: there were variations at different points in history where it
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  Speaker 1: was a fifteen yard penalty. Has been changed it is
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  Speaker 1: just a five yard penalty. Now, Okay, all that said, Now,
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  Speaker 1: obviously college football, the folks in the college of college
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  Speaker 1: football do not want that to be a strategy is
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  Speaker 1: a viable one moving forward, because obviously it was a loophole.
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  Speaker 1: It was a viable legal strategy according to the rules
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  Speaker 1: as written, but the folks who are in charge of
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  Speaker 1: college football now saying maybe it shouldn't be so. Report
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  Speaker 1: from Ross delajeran Yah who says that there could be
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  Speaker 1: changes on the way Kevinnuto Buckethuddle dot Com joins me, Kevin,
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  Speaker 1: what can college football do about this?
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy? I mean you can. They can sit there.
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  Speaker 2: And whether or not it's a live ball or a
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  Speaker 2: dead ball call, I mean, it would have all been
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  Speaker 2: for not if Ohio State on that play would have
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  Speaker 2: gotten a big gain, because Ohio State then could have
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  Speaker 2: because it was a live ball call, could have climbed
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  Speaker 2: the penalty, and you know, we would be having a
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  Speaker 2: very different conversation today and this would not have even
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  Speaker 2: been noticed really in the grand scheme of things, but
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  Speaker 2: you could. Honestly, it comes down to the interpretation of
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  Speaker 2: live ball versus dead ball. With it being a live
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  Speaker 2: ball penalty, there's no way you're not putting time back
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  Speaker 2: on the clock. Because the play happened, we're going through
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  Speaker 2: it and the penalty has been assessed, but we're not
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  Speaker 2: going back in time to where a dead ball penalty,
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  Speaker 2: a pre snap type of penalty would have come in
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  Speaker 2: and created an instance to go back to that snapshot
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  Speaker 2: in time of where it was at ten seconds versus
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  Speaker 2: six seconds, and as we saw, this game came down
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  Speaker 2: to fractions of a second. Quite honestly, we'll never really
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  Speaker 2: know with you know how quickly a human can call
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  Speaker 2: a time now that at such and such point give
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  Speaker 2: themselves up. But it is a rare instance where the
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  Speaker 2: NCAA Rules Committee will go through and make a make
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  Speaker 2: an adjustment, make a make a fix to a rule
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  Speaker 2: that is being exploited mid season. That's generally done over
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  Speaker 2: the summer, during summer meetings. So obviously there's something here
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  Speaker 2: because now the cat's out of the bag. Everybody knows
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  Speaker 2: about it. All your kids, all all the cool kids
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  Speaker 2: are doing it. So let's we better bottle this genie up.
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  Speaker 1: So the way that they might try and bottle that
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  Speaker 1: genie up is with what's called an interpret an interpretation
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  Speaker 1: bulletin that is every bit as exciting as the rules
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  Speaker 1: and regulations that we will read periodically on this show.
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  Speaker 1: This was the again a rost eligent report out of Yahoo,
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  Speaker 1: he said at Steve Shaw, who is the NCAA Secretary
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  Speaker 1: Rules Editor, So many exciting titles and names on the show,
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  Speaker 1: he said. He told the Yahu Sports that the NCAA
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  Speaker 1: Football Playing Rules Committee is actively quote engaged in examining
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  Speaker 1: the the play for possible action. He did say the
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  Speaker 1: Big Ten officiating crew handled the play appropriately, so as
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  Speaker 1: the rule is written, it was it was enforced appropriately
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  Speaker 1: on the field. There were some people who were wondering,
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't that have been a dead ball foul and no
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  Speaker 1: time ran off the clock. The answer from the from
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  Speaker 1: the committee is no, but it was enforced correctly, but
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  Speaker 1: obviously was not intended. The rule is not meant to
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  Speaker 1: allow you to do that. So they are looking at
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  Speaker 1: potentially doing an interpretation bulletin that would change things just
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  Speaker 1: even now, potentially before next week. It could potentially change
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  Speaker 1: lots of different suggestions on how they could do this.
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  Speaker 1: One one suggestion was that you could just simply make
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  Speaker 1: it a dead ball foul, make it, you know, give
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  Speaker 1: the team the option of role, you know, adding that
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  Speaker 1: time back on the clock, and then still taking that
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  Speaker 1: five yard penalty. Another option. John Wilner, who is has
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  Speaker 1: covered the PAC twelve for a long time, had an
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  Speaker 1: interesting suggestion. Give the give the offense a chance to
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  Speaker 1: either a take ten yard penalty or b add ten
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  Speaker 1: seconds to the clock. I can't think of any times
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  Speaker 1: when you could go back and add time to the clock.
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  Speaker 1: You can go reset to you know, what the clock
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  Speaker 1: was at the beginning of that play. I can't think
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  Speaker 1: of then times you could add time to the clock.
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  Speaker 1: But that was kind of an interesting suggestion to me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, little a little bit thinking outside the box.
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  Speaker 1: But we got into this situation with a coach who
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  Speaker 1: was thinking a little bit outside the box. So maybe
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  Speaker 1: that's maybe that's the right direction to go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I it's crazy to think of the
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  Speaker 2: fact of putting time back on the clock. I think
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  Speaker 2: the I think the obvious answer to me is to
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  Speaker 2: make it a dead ball call. It's pretty clean, it's neat,
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  Speaker 2: We're not we're not changing the actual fabric of how
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  Speaker 2: the game is going. Putting ten seconds on the clock,
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  Speaker 2: I mean as a little bit of an arbitrary number.
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  Speaker 2: I know there's a ten second runoff, so ten seems
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  Speaker 2: to be kind of, you know, everything's base ten. But
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  Speaker 2: it feels a little artificial doing that. But make it
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  Speaker 2: a dead ball call. Go back to where, you know,
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  Speaker 2: where we were. When I was reading some of the
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  Speaker 2: notes on all of this about it, I was trying
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  Speaker 2: to remember when it was a fifteen yard penalty, and
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  Speaker 2: I just I honestly struggle to remember that. It's always
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  Speaker 2: kind of been a case of where I felt it
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  Speaker 2: should be a dead ball call in five seconds. I
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  Speaker 2: guess I must have missed it at the point where
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  Speaker 2: it became a live call. But yeah, this is something
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  Speaker 2: that has to be addressed mediately. Honestly, will it be
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  Speaker 2: in time for maction midweek? No, But will it be
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  Speaker 2: in time for October nineteenth, which is shaping up to
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  Speaker 2: be a huge day of college football. Ohio State on
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  Speaker 2: its second by week of the season, They're certainly going
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  Speaker 2: to be people there. And the thing is a lot
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  Speaker 2: of games don't come down to a point of where
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  Speaker 2: it's a one point differential in the final ten seconds.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State versus Akron this was a non issue. Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State versus Western Michigan, this is a non issue. This
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  Speaker 2: is a very niche specific time. But when you start
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  Speaker 2: playing talent equated type of games, these things can kind
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  Speaker 2: of happen. So you have to wonder, and you have
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  Speaker 2: to wonder what other things are being baked by coaches
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  Speaker 2: like Dan Lanning and other coaches out there. I've found
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  Speaker 2: a week point in the rule book and how they're
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  Speaker 2: going to exploit it. So it gives us stuff to
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  Speaker 2: talk about.
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  Speaker 1: It does give us stuff to talk about, which is
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  Speaker 1: always appreciated. Boy, there's a lot to talk about coming
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  Speaker 1: out of that Ohio State Org game, and the fine
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  Speaker 1: margins between victory and defeat for both of those teams,
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  Speaker 1: and the big impacts that could have on both of
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  Speaker 1: their seasons. Just to sort of button this one up,
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  Speaker 1: the Dellinger article does say that any interpretation would likely
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  Speaker 1: to direct officials to return the game clock to its
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  Speaker 1: original time, So the creative ten second time edition not
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  Speaker 1: likely to be the actual solution they go with, but
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  Speaker 1: certainly an interesting suggestion that seems like just making a
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  Speaker 1: dead ball foul would sort of clean things up. The
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  Speaker 1: rule as it used to be written, I believe, was
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  Speaker 1: that if you were trying to get someone off the
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  Speaker 1: field and they didn't get off the field, that was
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  Speaker 1: a five yard to too many men on field kind
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  Speaker 1: of penalty, and if you had if you had twelve
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  Speaker 1: people actually participating in the play, that was the fifteen
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  Speaker 1: yard I believe that was the delineation that that changed
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  Speaker 1: I think a year or two back. But now they're
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  Speaker 1: going to swing the rules back again another another time.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you get those unintended consequences after rule changes. We'll
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  Speaker 1: see what We'll see what unintended consequences come from whatever
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  Speaker 1: they whatever they decided to do this week. Boy, there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a lot to talk about it as
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  Speaker 1: we continue to break down that Ohio State Oregon game.
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  Speaker 1: What went wrong for the Buckeyes, what went right, what
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  Speaker 1: it could mean moving forward. Wrote about the Big Ten
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  Speaker 1: tie breakers on the site on bucke huddle dot com
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  Speaker 1: and whether Ohio State really truly does control its own
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  Speaker 1: destiny to make the Big Ten championship game. The answer is, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's complicated, So you can find that at bucke huddle
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  Speaker 1: dot com. We may do a show on that later
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  Speaker 1: in the week because that's another sort of long, interesting
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  Speaker 1: conversation we might have, But if you want to write
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