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1-26-26 Hour 3 - Adam Schefter/Most Impactful Play of the Game?/Time for Some Upgrades · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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Speaker 2: First of all, Adam, thank you for joining us at
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Speaker 2: as always, the big thing from the game yesterday with
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Speaker 2: the Broncos the decision to go forward on fourth and one?
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Speaker 2: In your mind, was that a football analytics related decision?
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Speaker 2: Or is that a Sean Payton ego I'm gonna stick
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Speaker 2: it to them with a backup quarterback decision?
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Speaker 3: Could it be both? Could it be the analytics or
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Speaker 3: are saying, hey, this is a spot to go for it,
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Speaker 3: and Sean's like, I'm gonna go take it to them
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Speaker 3: right now and try to get a fourteen nothing. I
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Speaker 3: don't have the exact answer to them. I guess it's
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Speaker 3: some combination of the two things together where they feel
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Speaker 3: like they could take control of the game and I
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Speaker 3: look I don't think it's anything new. We've seen coaches
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Speaker 3: do this over time, where they continue to bypass field goals,
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Speaker 3: easy field goals that would seem to be you know,
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Speaker 3: give me points and like I don't know, the weather's
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Speaker 3: coming in, He's like the three. But it just is
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Speaker 3: not the way the coaches have operated in recent years,
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Speaker 3: right or wrong, it's just it's just not what they do.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to delve into that a little bit
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Speaker 4: more because I don't know where this started. Ben Johnson
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Speaker 4: did it several times, Dan Campbell did. Dan said he
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Speaker 4: pick it up from cham Payton. So I don't know
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Speaker 4: if it's just going in circles. But whatever happened to
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Speaker 4: making points precious? Why are coaches buying into this so much?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's an analytical thing, and the only thing
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Speaker 3: I can tell you Vic is that I think that
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Speaker 3: they Again I don't agree with. Like as Rex Ryan
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Speaker 3: said today, you know, coaching is an art, not a science,
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Speaker 3: and sometimes there's an art that tells you, hey, we've
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Speaker 3: got a backup quarterback in here. Points are going to
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Speaker 3: be a premium snow's coming in. Easy to say this now,
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Speaker 3: but let's go take three points let's let's go. Let's
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Speaker 3: go get those points on the board right now and
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Speaker 3: make sure that we have.
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Speaker 5: What we need.
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Speaker 3: But that's not what they did. And again, all I
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Speaker 3: know is I've noticed it a lot this postseason, but
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Speaker 3: I've noticed it a lot in recent seasons. When I
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Speaker 3: say recent seasons, I'm talking over the last two, three,
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Speaker 3: four seasons. Okay, Like it's been going on, and it's
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Speaker 3: a situation where they just feel like they're they're playing
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Speaker 3: the analytics. So if they convert one of those, if
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Speaker 3: they convert one of those into a touchdown, that's two
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Speaker 3: field it was. But even if you make the first
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Speaker 3: down there you're not sure of a touchdown, then you
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Speaker 3: still might be fortunately. I mean, you can debate it
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Speaker 3: over and over. The point is, I'm gonna say this
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Speaker 3: to you right now. If it had worked out and
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Speaker 3: they had gone up fourteen to nothing on the way
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Speaker 3: to win in the game. People around Colorado this morning
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Speaker 3: we've been talking about how bold and daring and brilliant
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Speaker 3: Shawn is and the fact that they lost. Now everybody questions.
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Speaker 5: That we are hypocritical.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Adam, I just the last segment I was
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Speaker 6: talking about, Man, it's hard for me to get on
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Speaker 6: Sean Payton because I see, I see where his brain
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Speaker 6: is in that.
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Speaker 5: Regard, and he was totally right.
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Speaker 6: If the play works, he's completely correct, and hopefully they
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Speaker 6: punch it in the end zone and that game is
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Speaker 6: probably over. But I lament the fact that they didn't grasp,
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Speaker 6: you know, and take advantage of the opportunity, even with
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Speaker 6: Studiam at quarterback when they have it, because I don't know.
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Speaker 6: I was telling the boys earlier, you never know when
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Speaker 6: you're gonna get back, if you're ever.
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Speaker 5: Going to get back. It's hard to get there in
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Speaker 5: your career.
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Speaker 6: Have you talked to guys were yeah, man, we got there,
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Speaker 6: and you know, I thought I was gonna get there
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Speaker 6: all the time, and I just never got there again.
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Speaker 6: When you when you miss these opportunities, Adam, it could
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Speaker 6: come back to haunt you for years.
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Speaker 3: Well, it could come back to haunt you for years,
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Speaker 3: of course, but they could also be used as fuel
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Speaker 3: to propel you, like Denver blew the game against Jacksonville
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Speaker 3: in ninety six and propelled them to two straight Super
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Speaker 3: Bowl titles. So yeah, you know, you sometimes like if
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Speaker 3: we look at the Broncos in the mid two thousands
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Speaker 3: with John Fox, they missed three opportunities and wound up
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Speaker 3: propelling them the next year when Kubiak took over as
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Speaker 3: the head coach and they went to the Super Bowl
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Speaker 3: and won it. So, you know, it just depends on
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Speaker 3: how you look at it.
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Speaker 2: Adam Schefter with us. All Conversations with Schefter brought to
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Speaker 2: CCU dot org. So, Adam, you know, looking ahead, what
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Speaker 2: do you think separates the Broncos offense? And I understand
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Speaker 2: that had a backup quarterback in yesterday, but overall, it
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Speaker 2: just feels like they don't have the same sort of
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Speaker 2: firepower as if you just waited an hour after that
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Speaker 2: game got done. You watch Seattle and you watch LA
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Speaker 2: and it's like they have playmakers all over the field.
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Speaker 2: What do you think the Broncos need most heading into
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Speaker 2: this offseason?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think I think JK. Dobbins contracts up, and
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Speaker 3: you need to make sure that that ground game is established,
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Speaker 3: whether that's R. J. Harvey and you believe in him
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Speaker 3: and he can be the guy, or whether you need
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Speaker 3: to draft a guy to complement him or re signed JK.
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Speaker 5: Dobbins.
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Speaker 3: However you want to do it. They've got to get
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Speaker 3: that run game going. And Shawn's usually done that everywhere
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Speaker 3: he's been and I would imagine he will now. So
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Speaker 3: I think that's the first thing. They also probably could
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Speaker 3: use another wide receiver, somebody they can rely on. They
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Speaker 3: looked to see if they can get one before the
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Speaker 3: trade deadline didn't happen. I still think that they could
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Speaker 3: use one more guy there. Again, maybe Troy Franklin is
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Speaker 3: going to develop, maybe Marvin Mims is going to develop.
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Speaker 3: Maybe one of these young receivers is going to develop.
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Speaker 3: But they need to have somebody else in there next season.
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Speaker 3: So there are some things they need. And then you know,
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Speaker 3: of course, you want to upgrade the roster wherever you
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Speaker 3: can that. I'll have to Sean to do that figure
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Speaker 3: that out.
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Speaker 4: I have a more general question about the league and
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Speaker 4: how they go about fixing these things. There was a play,
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Speaker 4: and I'm not going to say it made all the
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Speaker 4: difference of the world. There was a play where Drake
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Speaker 4: May ran the ball on the quarterback keeper and it
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Speaker 4: was challenged because the Broncos felt he was short to
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Speaker 4: gain and blah blah blah, you couldn't tell from the camera.
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Speaker 4: How does the NFL fix that so you can actually
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Speaker 4: see it because you can't there's too many people in
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Speaker 4: the picture. I mean, what if it wasn't the first down,
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Speaker 4: what if he was short, what if the football was
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Speaker 4: a yard short?
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Speaker 3: We'll never know, you know, some things I just don't
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Speaker 3: know if they're fixable. They've talked about having a chip
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Speaker 3: in the ball at some point in time to place
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Speaker 3: the ball. I don't know how that works. I'm not
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Speaker 3: smart enough technologically speaking to give you the answer. But
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Speaker 3: if you get a ship in the ball to know exactly,
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Speaker 3: you know where, But how do you know exactly that's
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Speaker 3: That's That's what I was gonna say. So you know,
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Speaker 3: there's human error involved in these games. It's a part
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Speaker 3: of it. It's just the way that it kind of is.
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Speaker 3: Everything is not going to be perfect all the time,
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Speaker 3: but by and large, you know, the officials missed playing calls.
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Speaker 3: But in real time, like Poka Nakua catching that ball
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Speaker 3: last night in the final play and they're like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: game over, Like game over. He was at a bet.
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Speaker 3: Oh no, he slid down his knee like that was
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Speaker 3: pretty good. Like they get a lot of things in
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Speaker 3: real time that are pretty impressive.
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Speaker 4: That's a good point. I mean, I guess when you're
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Speaker 4: a frustrated the Broncos fan, you trying to find it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's golly, Adam. And that's what we're gonna
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Speaker 5: do here.
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Speaker 6: I told Vic, I'll give him a day to go
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Speaker 6: over everything, and we're going back over individual plays, including
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Speaker 6: the fumble.
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Speaker 5: And it was a mess to begin with.
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Speaker 6: And I guess you give yourself a day or a week, right,
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Speaker 6: and then you throw it all away because we haven't
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Speaker 6: been in this position quite some time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Listen, it's very hard and very deflating and frustrating
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Speaker 3: to get this far, to be in that spot, to
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Speaker 3: have home field, to be the one seed, to be
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Speaker 3: sixty minutes in the Super Bowl, and you come up
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Speaker 3: sure that that's never fun. But that's what makes you
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Speaker 3: appreciate the wins even more when they do come.
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Speaker 5: You know, Adam.
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Speaker 4: And I'm sorry to interject, Adam. I don't know if
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Speaker 4: you were covering the Broncos at the time, but I
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Speaker 4: went back and did some background. I remember the game.
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Speaker 4: This is not the first time the Denver Broncos lost
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Speaker 4: in AFC Championship game. Ten to seven. It happened against
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Speaker 4: Buffalo in ninety one championship. That yeah, that listen to this.
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Speaker 4: It goes further. They both lost those games with backup quarterbacks.
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Speaker 4: Those backup quarterbacks Stidham and Kubiak both wore the number eight.
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Speaker 4: There were missed field goals in both games, costly missfield goals,
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Speaker 4: and there was a costly turnover in each game that
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Speaker 4: pretty much decided the fate of the Broncos. So the
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Speaker 4: similarities between those two games uncanny.
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Speaker 3: Except here's the difference that because I was at that
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Speaker 3: game in nineteen ninety one in Buffalo and John Ellie
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Speaker 3: went out of the game and Gary Kubiak came on,
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Speaker 3: and the Broncos were up against the k gun offense
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Speaker 3: that was scoring forty to fifty points a game, and
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Speaker 3: they played incredible like that game. They lost the game,
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Speaker 3: but they played well enough to win the game. Were
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Speaker 3: incredibly impressive, and I think David Treble missed two or
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Speaker 3: three fields.
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Speaker 4: He met three field goals thirty seven.
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Speaker 3: Forty one yep, okay, I remember, and any one of
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Speaker 3: those misses would have changed the game. And I never
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Speaker 3: got the sense yesterday watching that game they did that
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Speaker 3: team yesterday did not play as well as the one
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Speaker 3: in ninety one did. The one in ninety one went
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Speaker 3: into Buffalo overcame the odds, was massive underdogs and nearly
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Speaker 3: pulled the ups and played well enough to win the game. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I look at the team, and partly because of the
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Speaker 3: weather and whatever, what, they didn't play well enough to win.
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Speaker 3: They were they played all right, They played all right,
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Speaker 3: like they didn't play great yesterday?
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Speaker 5: Did they know they didn't?
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Speaker 4: The snow skewed things a bit too. I mean, who's
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Speaker 4: gonna play all right? In the fourth quarter of that game?
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Speaker 3: Uh well, you know, back in ninety one, everybody played.
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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, I remember. Any one of those
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Speaker 3: field goals would have made a huge difference. And Kubiak
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Speaker 3: played a great game that day, and the defense was us.
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Speaker 3: And yesterday, I just never got a feeling that somebody
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Speaker 3: was gonna make the players they needed.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, even before the snow, Adam the Broncos. They score
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Speaker 6: on that first drive or the second drive, I should say,
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Speaker 6: but in the first quarter, and they didn't.
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Speaker 5: Do jack squat the rest of the game. That's what's
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Speaker 5: so disappointing.
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Speaker 6: They didn't they didn't do anything offensively the rest of
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Speaker 6: the game, you know, before the snow came.
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Speaker 5: It just it just it's so disappointing.
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Speaker 3: It was I mean, I don't have to say like
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Speaker 3: again I never got the feeling, but like they went
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Speaker 3: up seven to nothing and then they're driving and that's
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Speaker 3: and that's why people are harping on that decision because
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Speaker 3: it felt like that was one of the turn one
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Speaker 3: of But you know what, here's the deal. If Jared
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Speaker 3: Sidham doesn't attempt that pass, yeah, that led to their
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Speaker 3: seven points and it should have been a touchdown right
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Speaker 3: then and there New England got it in. It doesn't matter,
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Speaker 3: but that was the seven points. Again, I felt like
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Speaker 3: going into that game yesterday that the way to win
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Speaker 3: the game was to not make mistakes. So if we
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Speaker 3: just take Jared Stidham's turnover off the board, there is
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Speaker 3: a much better, if not high, likelihood it never wins
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Speaker 3: the eighth. You can't lose the game, like you're gonna
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Speaker 3: find a way you're winning it, but don't lose the game.
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Speaker 3: And that's what happened.
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Speaker 4: Speaking of losing, who the Broncos more likely to lose
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Speaker 4: vance Joseph or Davis Webb.
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Speaker 3: Or Bogus web right now, I believe Yeah, I don't.
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Speaker 3: I think, well, you know, Vance will have decisions whether
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Speaker 3: he wants to stay or go, that's up to him.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if his contracts up. It might be.
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Speaker 3: I don't know his status, but I don't I don't
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Speaker 3: think he's gonna get me begetting one of these head
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Speaker 3: coaching jobs. I don't see where he's heavily involved in
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Speaker 3: any of these four openings. Right now.
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Speaker 7: Davis Webb is interviewing today for the the Bills and
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Speaker 7: Raiders head coaching jobs, and I think has a chance
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Speaker 7: to get both.
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Speaker 2: Wow, I'll tell you this about Vance, Joseph, he might
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Speaker 2: be he might be able to coach the Browns because
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Speaker 2: seemingly nobody wants that job.
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Speaker 7: What's going on there, Well, they're interviewing Nate Schieldhouse, the
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Speaker 7: Rams past game coordinator today, and I think the Browns
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Speaker 7: decision is going to come down to Nate Shieldhouse and
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Speaker 7: their own defensive coordinator of Jim Schwartz.
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Speaker 5: But I think, well, I've.
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Speaker 6: Got people I don't even know who they are taking
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Speaker 6: their names out of consideration for the Browns job, and
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Speaker 6: I'm going on, Okay, all right.
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Speaker 3: Big pulled his name out of this twenty two. That's
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Speaker 3: the way.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, Vick Lambarney. I listen, I've decided to withdraw
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Speaker 6: my name from the Browns.
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Speaker 5: Adam.
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Speaker 2: Always appreciate your time. Thanks so much for joining us, Adam.
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Speaker 4: Uh, you're gonna be at Radio Row next week.
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Speaker 3: I try to avoid Radio Row at al Kasmick, so
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Speaker 3: do I.
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Speaker 4: But I got to be there, so that means you're
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Speaker 4: there too, So I'll see you next to do this.
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Speaker 3: Let's talk to you next week, guys.
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Speaker 2: All right, thanks Adam. Adam Schefter. ESPN joined us. Every
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Speaker 2: like nobody wants to coach the Browns. No one. They're
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Speaker 2: down to their own defensive coordinator. I don't think that.
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Speaker 5: Was their plan. Yeah, eighty seventh on the list.
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Speaker 2: I know Jim Schwartz. Jim Schwartz used to coaching Detroit.
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Speaker 2: I think he's a good DC. I don't think that's
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Speaker 2: who they want as their head coach, though I don't
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Speaker 2: think so.
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Speaker 5: I you're probably right about that.
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Speaker 2: So David like that is that basically what we just
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Speaker 2: heard the Davis website.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's hot. He's thirty years old and he's hot
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Speaker 6: to trot Man.
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Speaker 5: He is.
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Speaker 4: His title is passing game coordinator, he's not offensive coordinator.
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Speaker 4: So he can justifiably get a job promotion as an
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Speaker 4: OC if he wanted one. But there are a lot
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Speaker 4: of Listen, the trend is to go with these young
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Speaker 4: offensive mines. I mean we've seen it now and that's
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Speaker 4: what that's what teams are doing. And he's a young
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Speaker 4: offensive mind.
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Speaker 2: That'll be the second straight year, by the way, if
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Speaker 2: he gets a job that their pass game coordinator gets
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Speaker 2: another gig, because remember last year it.
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Speaker 4: Was who Johnny Morton?
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Speaker 2: Johnny Morton. That's right, three all three five available?
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Speaker 4: He can come back.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, how that wor we.
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Speaker 2: Already know he already was. I know, I mean he
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Speaker 2: was the guy. What what play did he drop in
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Speaker 2: the Buffalo game? If Frank Crumb touchdown, that's right, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: the Frank Crumb touchdown three oh three, five oh four
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Speaker 2: oh nine two five rally has Football Monday, Stigram Football
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Speaker 2: Monday on ninety two to five, Rolly House Shop, every
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Speaker 2: team in town. I just came to a realization and
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Speaker 2: I got to do some research on when these things coincided,
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Speaker 2: because it feels like they were close.
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Speaker 5: Did the.
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Speaker 2: I want to know where the cross section is of
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Speaker 2: when teams started going forward and fourth down every time
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Speaker 2: they got the opportunity instead of kicking field goals, and
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Speaker 2: when the MLB stopped bunting, because it feels like it
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Speaker 2: was right at the exact same time that everything just
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Speaker 2: stopped and it was like the numbers say, do this,
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Speaker 2: so bunting stops, and no more taking field goals. That's it.
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Speaker 2: We're done.
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Speaker 5: You don't even start with me about bunting. You know me.
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Speaker 5: I've been on the.
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Speaker 6: Drop steps, bug drop steps, bunts in field goals. They're
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Speaker 6: just they're dinosaurs. Man, they're away in the past.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 4: Don't give it to get into the mid range game
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Speaker 4: in basketball, although we see that.
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Speaker 6: Don't don't don't even don't even get me started. I
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Speaker 6: can't do it today. What about hockey?
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Speaker 4: What about some old school hockey stuff that you miss?
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Speaker 5: Fighting? What? Uh?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess you know we're talking about it the
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Speaker 6: other day. I'm so glad there's no such thing as
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Speaker 6: a two line pass anymore.
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Speaker 5: That sucked. Oh yeah, that's it.
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Speaker 4: Forgot about that. You eliminate one of the lines.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, eliminate the red line of the game is so
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Speaker 6: much better in my opinion.
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Speaker 2: Let's get I want to get back to the fourth
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Speaker 2: down thing. But a quick call here from Peter who
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Speaker 2: says everybody's being too dowur he wants to bring some
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Speaker 2: optimism this morning.
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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Peter, Hey you.
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Speaker 8: Guys, you know, thanks for taking the call. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 8: I don't know if it's uh, I just kind of
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Speaker 8: tuned in, So if I say anything and kind of
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Speaker 8: repeat what you said, I'm sorry. I just got so
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Speaker 8: fired up on Twitter this morning. Listen, like I think
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Speaker 8: my my I'm an athlete. My coach likes to say,
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Speaker 8: like we live in a context of where we are,
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Speaker 8: like where nobody just gets here randomly, and and and
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Speaker 8: to see the way that Broncers fans or NFL fan
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Speaker 8: on Twitter are reacting to the way the game went
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Speaker 8: yesterday just takes away all of the positives of the
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Speaker 8: season and honestly of the past ten years. Like I
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Speaker 8: grew up when when the Broncos won the Super Bowl,
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Speaker 8: I was in sixth grade. I went the past ten
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Speaker 8: years of my life, I guess eight years of my
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Speaker 8: life excluding this year and last year, watching horrible, horrible
17:23
Speaker 8: football every week, every week, tuning in and watching bad
17:27
Speaker 8: teams play games that don't matter, and it shows. And
17:30
Speaker 8: in the past two years it has meant so much
17:34
Speaker 8: to me and so much to the city to see
17:36
Speaker 8: the way that the Broncos are coming. And we lost
17:39
Speaker 8: that game yesterday and New England handled adversity better than us,
17:44
Speaker 8: and that's just the way it goes sometimes. But to
17:46
Speaker 8: take the loss yesterday, and I know it hurts, one
17:49
Speaker 8: game away from the Super Bowl, and that just to
17:52
Speaker 8: make it seem like this whole season meant nothing, I
17:55
Speaker 8: think is just the most sorry excuse that Broncos fans
17:58
Speaker 8: can make.
17:58
Speaker 4: Peter the call. I don't think anyone has jumped to
18:02
Speaker 4: those conclusions where the season meant nothing. But I think
18:04
Speaker 4: you're also missing the point here. You have to allow
18:08
Speaker 4: for someone to grieve there's a death in the family.
18:10
Speaker 4: You don't go straight to well, you grieve a little bit.
18:13
Speaker 4: I'm a griever, I'm a mourner. You know today is pain,
18:18
Speaker 4: and it should be you should embrace the pain. You
18:22
Speaker 4: should welcome the pain. It's okay, Well, we'll have plenty
18:26
Speaker 4: of time. You know, time goes on. We had plenty
18:29
Speaker 4: of time to look back at the season and say, damn,
18:31
Speaker 4: what a successful ride that was.
18:33
Speaker 9: We all know it was, of course, But right now
18:37
Speaker 9: it's okay to complain about certain plays, in certain elements
18:43
Speaker 9: and certain.
18:43
Speaker 4: Decisions because it's right after the damn game.
18:47
Speaker 6: I'd recommend if you're feeling down, you're feeling dowor jump
18:51
Speaker 6: on Twitter and get in fights.
18:53
Speaker 5: That's me. That's a that's that's the way to handle.
18:56
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's gonna go over really well, you're gonna you're
18:58
Speaker 6: not gonna waste any time on the old Twitter machine
19:01
Speaker 6: fighting with people. Listen, Peter, I get where you're coming from,
19:05
Speaker 6: but I'm gonna go back.
19:06
Speaker 5: You know. The Broncos tackles. Jeff Legwell made a very
19:10
Speaker 5: good point.
19:11
Speaker 6: The Broncos haven't drafted anybody in any round to play
19:14
Speaker 6: the tackle position since Bowls. Right, both your tackles were
19:19
Speaker 6: good all year long. I mean you had a lot
19:21
Speaker 6: go right for you too. I know your quarterback got
19:23
Speaker 6: hurt at the end, But man, nothing is guaranteed in
19:26
Speaker 6: pro football. And when you get there and you have
19:30
Speaker 6: the opportunity and you do it to yourself, it's gonna hurt. Brother,
19:33
Speaker 6: It's gonna hurt because the realization is there that you
19:35
Speaker 6: did it to yourself. You gave them their only touchdown
19:38
Speaker 6: of the game. They weren't gonna score.
19:40
Speaker 5: The ball, They weren't gonna score the football.
19:42
Speaker 6: And you gave it to them. That hurts, so, Peter,
19:44
Speaker 6: I appreciate your perspective. You seem wise beyond your years,
19:48
Speaker 6: but we're all a little pissed.
19:50
Speaker 2: There's a lot of time to do the Hey man,
19:53
Speaker 2: they have a lot to build upon and that sort
19:55
Speaker 2: of thing. I'm trying to figure out if I know
19:59
Speaker 2: that the thing that's getting the most airtime today is
20:02
Speaker 2: the fourth down call. The most impactful thing that happened
20:06
Speaker 2: was the fumble that, without question, you gifted them seven
20:11
Speaker 2: points they otherwise I am convinced there is no way
20:14
Speaker 2: they would have a sustained drive for a touchdown. You
20:17
Speaker 2: gave them the ball to twelve, and that's what I
20:20
Speaker 2: think entirely flipped the game. Like the Broncos were in
20:24
Speaker 2: such control in basically every way, even when the offense
20:27
Speaker 2: wasn't moving, it was still like you had zero fear
20:32
Speaker 2: that they were that the Patriots are gonna put anything together. Yeah,
20:34
Speaker 2: and then you know what happened. They get the touchdown,
20:38
Speaker 2: they get the field goal to start the second half.
20:39
Speaker 2: Now they're up ten to seven, and I still I
20:41
Speaker 2: know we mentioned this earlier, but the most insane thing
20:45
Speaker 2: that I saw and just a difference in mentality, Sean
20:49
Speaker 2: Payton foregoes the opportunity to get three points early in
20:52
Speaker 2: that game. He gets aggressive, they miss it. I watched
20:57
Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel on two consecutive possessions. It's almost like he
21:02
Speaker 2: trotted the punt team out. On third down, it was
21:04
Speaker 2: third and eleven, they ran a play that was designed
21:07
Speaker 2: to be thrown out of bounds, much like one you'd
21:09
Speaker 2: see with I don't know, eight seconds left in a
21:12
Speaker 2: game and you're in field goal position and you want
21:14
Speaker 2: to burn four more seconds off the clock, right. They
21:16
Speaker 2: ran that play on third and eleven with Drake May
21:19
Speaker 2: just to get to a punt. The next possession was
21:22
Speaker 2: third and nine. They ran the football knowing they weren't
21:25
Speaker 2: getting the first down, and they didn't care. They're like,
21:28
Speaker 2: we're gonna punt the football, they're gonna do nothing with it,
21:30
Speaker 2: and we're just gonna play keep away as much as
21:32
Speaker 2: we can until the clock. Sit worked. But it worked,
21:35
Speaker 2: of course it did. Yes, I'm the lead in the
21:38
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, Like if the Broncos had to lead in
21:41
Speaker 2: the fourth you're winning that football game. Once that snow came,
21:43
Speaker 2: it was over, no more points.
21:45
Speaker 4: Yes, although New England probably had a better opportunity because
21:48
Speaker 4: they're getting made for that more than the Broncos are.
21:52
Speaker 5: Now, you just defend.
21:53
Speaker 4: It's easier to defend in those situations because you limit
21:56
Speaker 4: what the opposing team can do, what I can't go.
21:59
Speaker 5: To bed with.
21:59
Speaker 4: And again, going back to Peter's point, I get it.
22:03
Speaker 4: I'll have plenty of time to worry about the season,
22:06
Speaker 4: just like I'll have plenty of time to worry about
22:08
Speaker 4: my when I'm six feet under. Uh you know, I'm
22:11
Speaker 4: sitting there just listening to gangster rap as I always do.
22:15
Speaker 4: I have time to react to my life. But right now,
22:18
Speaker 4: what's the what's.
22:19
Speaker 6: The longest battery life that you could put on a
22:21
Speaker 6: device to have Bvick listen to gangster rap six feet
22:25
Speaker 6: under for like a decade?
22:26
Speaker 4: That's fine, you.
22:27
Speaker 5: Just put an extension cord in there.
22:29
Speaker 2: Extension not an extension cord. You have to have a
22:31
Speaker 2: USB port that's built into the tombstone, into the coffin.
22:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, cool, that's fine. I have plenty of time, But
22:37
Speaker 4: right now I can't get over the fact I just
22:40
Speaker 4: I just can't that a ten to nothing lead would
22:43
Speaker 4: have been good enough because Drake May at that point
22:46
Speaker 4: was already panicking. He was already in panic mode and
22:50
Speaker 4: you gave him life. The kid didn't know what to
22:55
Speaker 4: do because the Broncos onslaught. The pass rush was in
22:58
Speaker 4: his face every chance, every Do you know any passing
23:02
Speaker 4: yards he got? Do you know what he was at
23:04
Speaker 4: passing wise before the Broncos decided to go for it
23:06
Speaker 4: on fourth down?
23:08
Speaker 2: Wait forty one in the first half, I don't know.
23:11
Speaker 4: He was at eighteen passing yards?
23:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, at that point eighteen. One of the more shocking
23:16
Speaker 2: things Vic was how wholly unprepared for that moment he looked.
23:23
Speaker 4: He and that's what I can't from the jump. From
23:26
Speaker 4: the jump, there's an intriguing article that it's required reading
23:31
Speaker 4: during this break, by the way, for you boys, Seth
23:33
Speaker 4: Wickersham was in town and he wrote an article that's
23:36
Speaker 4: on ESPN dot com right now, and it's awesome, and
23:39
Speaker 4: he delves into the decision that John Payton made and
23:41
Speaker 4: why he decided to go for it, and where this
23:45
Speaker 4: go for it stuff came from. How in nineteen ninety two,
23:48
Speaker 4: this cal researcher from the University of California came up
23:51
Speaker 4: with this formula of when the best time to it's
23:54
Speaker 4: called the Bellman equation, the ridiculous formula of why going
23:58
Speaker 4: for it was more successful analytically than kicking the field goal,
24:02
Speaker 4: and how that came out. Yeah, all this stuff, right,
24:05
Speaker 4: And then he talked about how when Sean Payton was
24:07
Speaker 4: watching the Chicago Bears game, he screamed at the TV
24:10
Speaker 4: and said kick it, kick it in that situation, and
24:13
Speaker 4: why Sean ultimately decided to go for it, and why
24:16
Speaker 4: he rules the fact that he should have gone with
24:18
Speaker 4: the first play he called rather than the second. The
24:21
Speaker 4: first play was a run, the second was a pass.
24:23
Speaker 4: He said, if he would have stuck with the first,
24:24
Speaker 4: they would have got the first down. So there are
24:26
Speaker 4: so many branches to this decision, so many that you
24:31
Speaker 4: think worth thinking about it to that guy right now.
24:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Look, there is this article that it's fascinating.
24:41
Speaker 2: There is a balance here, you know, and everybody knows
24:45
Speaker 2: that if they get the first down then they're the
24:47
Speaker 2: genius and all that different stuff. Right Like, it's just
24:51
Speaker 2: how it is. But it's also kind of like reading
24:54
Speaker 2: the room when he says in this quote right here.
24:57
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just felt like, man, we had momentum to
25:02
Speaker 10: get up fourteen and felt like we had a good call.
25:05
Speaker 10: I think the feeling was, man's let's be aggressive to
25:10
Speaker 10: get up fourteen. I was just watching the way our
25:12
Speaker 10: defense was playing. There'll be a number of things when
25:16
Speaker 10: we watched.
25:16
Speaker 2: The take that right there. I was watching the way
25:18
Speaker 2: our defense was playing. He took that ass I can
25:20
Speaker 2: be aggressive because they'll bail me out. I looked at it,
25:23
Speaker 2: as you go up two scores, with the way your
25:25
Speaker 2: defense is playing, you have a really good shot at
25:27
Speaker 2: keeping a lead.
25:29
Speaker 4: So this article again he goes seth Wickershem must have
25:33
Speaker 4: spent the day with John. It must have been one
25:34
Speaker 4: of those pieces that you're right preparing for the Super Bowl.
25:38
Speaker 4: Let me just read for you the last paragraph of this.
25:40
Speaker 4: It's really it's really well done. Sets from around these
25:44
Speaker 4: parts after Sunday's game Peyton entered his small office down
25:48
Speaker 4: the hall from the locker room, sat down and stared
25:50
Speaker 4: at the floor. He is sixty two years old and
25:52
Speaker 4: he's been a head coach for nineteen years. He has
25:54
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl win and many devastating playoff defeats. It
25:58
Speaker 4: was quiet for the random sounds of the crash landing
26:01
Speaker 4: of a season ending, the echo of a shouted curseword,
26:05
Speaker 4: the shuffle of coaches and staffers mulling around and whispering.
26:09
Speaker 4: Moments pasted. Peyton sat up, quote, I can't believe we
26:14
Speaker 4: lost a few more seconds pass that fourth down.
26:20
Speaker 5: Dude.
26:21
Speaker 4: If you think we're thinking about it, imagine what's going
26:23
Speaker 4: through his head.
26:24
Speaker 2: Well, I noticed when he was asked about that. We've
26:27
Speaker 2: heard Sean Payton and wins and losses. He's pretty defiant,
26:32
Speaker 2: and he will defend the decisions he makes in game.
26:36
Speaker 2: He has this tone of like, yeah, I know what
26:38
Speaker 2: I'm doing. Even if it didn't work, it's the right call.
26:41
Speaker 2: He did not have that tone at all.
26:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, you know it's you know how he
26:45
Speaker 4: tends to be combative with the media. That wasn't the
26:46
Speaker 4: case yesterday.
26:48
Speaker 2: He was basically looked at you and said, I get it.
26:51
Speaker 2: You guys questioning that. I get it because any other instance, guys,
26:56
Speaker 2: because we've heard it wins and losses. Somebody says something like,
26:58
Speaker 2: what was going into your mind when you made this call?
27:02
Speaker 2: And he's like, uh, here's why I made the call. Dumb, dumb,
27:05
Speaker 2: you know.
27:06
Speaker 6: And let me use Sean Payton as an example here, Vic,
27:09
Speaker 6: if I could please, you're reading the last paragraph of
27:13
Speaker 6: the Wickersham article. And he's been there one time, Vic,
27:18
Speaker 6: and he wanted but here's the He has the Super
27:22
Speaker 6: Bowl win and many devastating playoff defeats, even Sean Payton.
27:27
Speaker 5: And I think he's a brilliant football mind. Man. Dude's
27:31
Speaker 5: sixty two and he's only.
27:32
Speaker 6: Been there once. Dude, he's only been there one time
27:37
Speaker 6: in nineteen years. That's how hard it is.
27:40
Speaker 5: Man.
27:40
Speaker 6: We look at the the Chiefs and like, oh, yeah,
27:43
Speaker 6: you're gonna get there, it's no problem. I mean those
27:46
Speaker 6: are once in a billion. I mean the Chiefs and
27:48
Speaker 6: the Patriots are once in a billion odds. Man to
27:52
Speaker 6: have runs like that, and you just don't know if
27:55
Speaker 6: you're ever gonna get back there. And nobody knows it
27:57
Speaker 6: more than Peyton because he suffered an awful lot more
28:00
Speaker 6: in defeat that he ever was enjoying a win.
28:03
Speaker 4: I'm looking at my notes again here from the game,
28:05
Speaker 4: and I misspoke earlier. When the Broncos got the ball
28:09
Speaker 4: with nine fifty to play in the second quarter, They're
28:14
Speaker 4: approaching the midway point of the second quarter, right, and
28:17
Speaker 4: they're fourth and one from the fourteen yard line, and
28:21
Speaker 4: this is the crescendo of the coaching decision. Do you
28:25
Speaker 4: know how many yards the New England Patriots had at
28:28
Speaker 4: that point, not passing yards yards yards in the game?
28:33
Speaker 5: Again, well, I know that time.
28:34
Speaker 6: It was like it was like seventy nine at halftime
28:37
Speaker 6: to the decision time, the decision to go Ford for
28:39
Speaker 6: Sean Payton.
28:40
Speaker 4: Do you know how many yards the Patriots had acquired
28:42
Speaker 4: had a crewed at that point? Twelve twelve yards? Man
28:48
Speaker 4: of offense, Your defense was not only winning the game,
28:53
Speaker 4: it was smothering them. It was over. I wrote down
28:57
Speaker 4: and I wrote it here, you're kicking, why not take
29:00
Speaker 4: the points? And everybody said it, not just me, everybody
29:04
Speaker 4: said it. So it's not a hindsight thing.
29:07
Speaker 5: It was a.
29:09
Speaker 4: It's we're not reviewing it.
29:10
Speaker 5: We knew it.
29:12
Speaker 4: We knew it.
29:14
Speaker 2: It just fill the points. Yeah, it felt right just
29:15
Speaker 2: to take the points. I'll remind you, guys, I'll give
29:19
Speaker 2: you two stats here. Since that play fourth and one,
29:24
Speaker 2: they didn't get it. They did not get inside the
29:27
Speaker 2: Patriots thirty yard line once for the rest of that game.
29:30
Speaker 2: Now one more time.
29:32
Speaker 4: Britt, do you know what the Patriots did at halftime?
29:34
Speaker 4: And I guarantee you its a conversation that Mike rabelhead
29:37
Speaker 4: with Joshuac Daniels. Hey, Josh, run the ball. You know
29:39
Speaker 4: what they did to open the second half? Eight straight runs?
29:43
Speaker 5: Yep?
29:45
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think they looked at May and
29:47
Speaker 2: they're like, he is not He's rattled and it's not
29:50
Speaker 2: gonna work. He can't throw. Let's run the ball. They
29:53
Speaker 2: did run it with him, which I think helped a
29:55
Speaker 2: couple of times. Here's the other stat the final ten
29:58
Speaker 2: drives for the Denver Broncos in that game ten drives.
30:01
Speaker 2: They averaged two point four yards per play in the
30:06
Speaker 2: final ten.
30:08
Speaker 4: The only throw that Drake May made in the second
30:12
Speaker 4: half of significance, the only one was the flea flicker
30:16
Speaker 4: in mccollins.
30:16
Speaker 5: Yep, yep, that was it.
30:19
Speaker 2: He was wide open like that was the only way
30:22
Speaker 2: he was completing a pass is if the dude was
30:23
Speaker 2: wide open, that was it.
30:25
Speaker 6: I'm looking back at that sixteen play. It was a sixteen.
30:29
Speaker 4: Play drive, sixteen plays, sixty four yards, all but one
30:34
Speaker 4: came via the ground.
30:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.
30:37
Speaker 6: And these are five yard gain, two yard gain, three
30:40
Speaker 6: yard gain, one yard gain.
30:42
Speaker 4: Yep, twelve quarterback, quarterback taken four yard.
30:44
Speaker 6: Game yeah, minus three yards, you know, tackle for loss.
30:49
Speaker 4: The big play was the third and nine, third nine,
30:51
Speaker 4: all right, The Broncos could have taken him right out
30:54
Speaker 4: of third nine and May scrambles up the middle for
30:57
Speaker 4: twenty eight yards by the way back and then go
31:00
Speaker 4: back and tell me that Benito's not held. Go back
31:02
Speaker 4: and look at that Bronco fans, if you want to
31:04
Speaker 4: be really angry, look at that pat.
31:06
Speaker 2: They let him play all day. Though I don't even
31:07
Speaker 2: remember like any flags during that game.
31:09
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, but I'm sure if Rabel looked back
31:12
Speaker 6: on it, Vic and goes, you know what, Peyton probably
31:15
Speaker 6: should have kicked right, And I think you're right. I
31:18
Speaker 6: think he comes out and says, man, let's just any
31:21
Speaker 6: points that we can get, we're gonna sock him away
31:24
Speaker 6: and it was that drive. They kick a field goal
31:27
Speaker 6: and that's it. And that's all she wrote. Man, that
31:30
Speaker 6: is all she wrote.
31:31
Speaker 2: Take a guest, believe off the top of your head.
31:32
Speaker 2: Combined penalty yards between the two teams, how many.
31:36
Speaker 4: Well, the Broncos didn't have a single penalty in the
31:37
Speaker 4: first half, so I don't know what they end up with.
31:40
Speaker 2: Ten yeah, ten total.
31:42
Speaker 5: It was little. Yeah.
31:43
Speaker 4: They won't calling anything. Nope, they won't calling anything. And
31:45
Speaker 4: you know what, that's up to the players and coaches.
31:47
Speaker 4: When they know that they're not calling anything, then get
31:49
Speaker 4: away with it. It's up to you, you know.
31:51
Speaker 2: Do what you gotta do.
31:53
Speaker 6: Patriots had one penalty for five yards and the Broncos
31:56
Speaker 6: two penalties for five yards.
31:57
Speaker 5: That's it.
31:59
Speaker 2: There was a couple was called back because they originally
32:01
Speaker 2: called intentional grounding before they reversed that to a backwards pass.
32:04
Speaker 2: And then they had the illegal touching on R. J.
32:07
Speaker 2: Harvey early in the game, but it was incompletely declined
32:09
Speaker 2: it anyway, there's a couple that were called.
32:12
Speaker 4: But man, I just can't get over this. Drake May
32:17
Speaker 4: did not beat the Broncos. Guys, the Broncos beat the Broncos.
32:20
Speaker 4: Drake May did nothing but right, he had a twenty
32:23
Speaker 4: eight yard scramble. He did nothing nothing, he was handed
32:27
Speaker 4: a touchdown.
32:30
Speaker 2: Got imagine if I gave you the scenario. Hey, guys,
32:33
Speaker 2: guess what. The Patriots are gonna score ten points and
32:35
Speaker 2: that's it. That's it, and you still come away with it.
32:41
Speaker 5: Now.
32:41
Speaker 2: Oh, it's brutal. Rally house football, Monday, rally house shop.
32:46
Speaker 2: Every team in town obviously breaking down this game all
32:50
Speaker 2: day today on ninety two to five. Stick around. What
32:55
Speaker 2: did this defense have to dig into to lead this
32:58
Speaker 2: group to it tonight?
33:00
Speaker 5: To pull out everything we had?
33:01
Speaker 2: Man, we had to leave it all our hair line.
33:03
Speaker 5: Everybody doubted us. Everybody talking about we ain't this, we
33:06
Speaker 5: ain't that. They got no more oh this and that.
33:10
Speaker 5: I want to hear something today, talk today. I want
33:12
Speaker 5: to hear.
33:14
Speaker 2: That is Milton Williams, defensive tackle.
33:17
Speaker 6: Milt, you want me to you'll me to talk something? Okay,
33:20
Speaker 6: no problem, Milt. You're gonna get your asses kicked by
33:24
Speaker 6: the Seahawks.
33:24
Speaker 5: How about that?
33:25
Speaker 2: Well, you know what in his in his defense about.
33:28
Speaker 6: That, Milt, Sam Darnold's gonna pass for four bills on
33:31
Speaker 6: you and put forty on you.
33:32
Speaker 5: How do you feel about that, Milt?
33:33
Speaker 2: I think so too. In his defense, they everybody uses
33:38
Speaker 2: this thing, the everybody doubted us thing. It did apply
33:42
Speaker 2: to them like I doubted them until like oh no, no, no, no,
33:46
Speaker 2: just for them to get to a super Bowl. I
33:48
Speaker 2: doubted them until like last week.
33:50
Speaker 4: Everybody's got into Patriots and and the Broncs.
33:53
Speaker 5: Both of these teams.
33:53
Speaker 4: Aren't supposed to be here yesterday. So don't don't play this.
33:57
Speaker 5: Woe is me.
33:57
Speaker 4: Nobody believe in this crap. You were favored to win
33:59
Speaker 4: the You're playing a backup quarterback.
34:01
Speaker 2: Shut up. So Samford just walked in and he said
34:05
Speaker 2: something that you echoed earlier. And I don't think I
34:08
Speaker 2: agree with this, by the way, because we were talking
34:11
Speaker 2: about this is true, the Broncos should have won that game.
34:15
Speaker 2: I'm convinced the better team did not win the game
34:17
Speaker 2: yesterday because of some weird circumstances.
34:20
Speaker 5: Okay.
34:20
Speaker 2: And he said this is where I disagree. If the
34:24
Speaker 2: snow didn't come in the fourth quarter, that he thinks
34:27
Speaker 2: Stidham would have won the game for him. That I
34:28
Speaker 2: don't know. That I think is a leap too far
34:32
Speaker 2: of an assumption. It's funny, God man, it felt exactly
34:40
Speaker 2: like Buffalo last year. You get the early touchdown and
34:44
Speaker 2: you're like, well, wait a minute, if we're starting the
34:47
Speaker 2: game this way, then what's the next three quarters look like? Right,
34:52
Speaker 2: That's what it looked like. And that was again, that
34:56
Speaker 2: was before the Snow game. Their offense couldn't move the
34:59
Speaker 2: football too. You know, I'll just repeat something that I
35:04
Speaker 2: said heading into the game. I thought this game would
35:06
Speaker 2: be close. I thought the Broncos had a shot to win.
35:08
Speaker 2: I just didn't think they would. I think you play
35:11
Speaker 2: the game one hundred times, who's gonna win fifty one?
35:13
Speaker 2: I think the Patriots would have. The problem was this,
35:18
Speaker 2: The Broncos played that game like they played virtually every
35:21
Speaker 2: other game this season. It was close, it didn't look pretty,
35:25
Speaker 2: but you got a shot to win at the end,
35:27
Speaker 2: and you were missing the key ingredient, which was bow Knicks.
35:30
Speaker 2: For whatever his faults are as a quarterback, he is
35:33
Speaker 2: one of the league's best in those situations. And I'll
35:36
Speaker 2: tell you this, most I know the Snow can like
35:39
Speaker 2: it confused a lot of things at the end of
35:41
Speaker 2: that game. I think that if bo Nicks is playing
35:44
Speaker 2: in that scenario, I think he just finds a way
35:46
Speaker 2: because he has every single time he takes off runs
35:50
Speaker 2: for thirty yards and he picks up the change or
35:53
Speaker 2: mousa chains that way and then he makes one little
35:55
Speaker 2: throw that gets into the twenty or something like.
35:58
Speaker 5: I don't know how to feel about this.
36:00
Speaker 6: They showed the stat on the program yesterday that the Broncos,
36:05
Speaker 6: I think it's the most all time they had thirteen
36:07
Speaker 6: come from behind wins this season.
36:10
Speaker 5: Is that correct? Thirteen?
36:11
Speaker 6: It's the most, I think the most in the history
36:14
Speaker 6: of the National Football League. A lot of things went right,
36:18
Speaker 6: and listen, you had the comeback wins and you did
36:21
Speaker 6: it right. But it's rare to have that many, Brett,
36:24
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So next year they're gonna
36:26
Speaker 6: have to play with a frigging lead. Dude, you know
36:30
Speaker 6: they're gonna have to get on time because it just
36:32
Speaker 6: doesn't happen. It just I mean, when you look at
36:34
Speaker 6: these stats, it's just it's not replicable what.
36:37
Speaker 5: You did this year. Offensively, You're gonna have to be better. Vic.
36:40
Speaker 5: Why can't you look pretty? Why can't it look more pretty?
36:43
Speaker 4: It's dangerous to start assuming that here you are, you're
36:47
Speaker 4: in a championship window. It's great because I agree, But
36:51
Speaker 4: what do you think Buffalo's been saying for the last
36:53
Speaker 4: six years?
36:54
Speaker 5: Right, well, how Baltimore? What do you think about Baltimore?
36:58
Speaker 4: Oh, it's all set up for us now we got
36:59
Speaker 4: the Yeah, it's all hey, man, it's not often you
37:04
Speaker 4: get home field in the number one seed and everybody
37:08
Speaker 4: it's not often. And it all set up, the planets aligned,
37:13
Speaker 4: and it all changed on a fluke play against Buffalo
37:17
Speaker 4: where you lost your starting quarterback and that sucks.
37:20
Speaker 5: God, it's so it's so fluke too.
37:23
Speaker 6: And the more it was reading about that, man he
37:24
Speaker 6: can't even put weight on it for a whole month.
37:27
Speaker 6: He can't do squad for just twelve weeks for three months. Yeah,
37:31
Speaker 6: just just sucks, Brett. I mean, you don't You're not
37:36
Speaker 6: gonna people think, oh yeah, our windows open. Dick's right,
37:39
Speaker 6: You're you may not find yourself in this advantageous position.
37:43
Speaker 5: They may not do it. It's you know what, Yeah,
37:46
Speaker 5: I don't.
37:47
Speaker 6: I don't know what you think about the Chiefs, but
37:49
Speaker 6: they still have that witch and they still got read.
37:51
Speaker 5: Okay.
37:52
Speaker 6: I don't know when you think about the Chargers, but
37:54
Speaker 6: can they lose their tackles and they're running backs all
37:56
Speaker 6: year every year, can they?
37:58
Speaker 5: I guess they can? I guess you. What if?
38:02
Speaker 6: What if Mills gets the Raiders job and Mendoza turns
38:04
Speaker 6: out to be the real deal?
38:06
Speaker 5: This sucks?
38:07
Speaker 2: If who gets the Raiders show?
38:10
Speaker 5: Would you say the uh? Davis Davis A Web Web?
38:15
Speaker 2: What I say, Mills?
38:16
Speaker 6: Davis Webb? Yeah, my bet, Davis? What if Web gets
38:18
Speaker 6: the Raiders job?
38:19
Speaker 4: Well, friend of mine, friend of mine just texted, well,
38:21
Speaker 4: you're off the books on the on the Russell Wilson money. Yeah,
38:24
Speaker 4: that's great. You're gonna have extra money. It doesn't guarantee
38:26
Speaker 4: you anything. It doesn't guarantee you a top seed. It
38:29
Speaker 4: doesn't guarantee you this situation. If I told you next
38:32
Speaker 4: year at this time, the Denver Broncos would be the
38:34
Speaker 4: number one seed in the AFC, Oh my god, a
38:37
Speaker 4: you kidding? Would you take it?
38:38
Speaker 2: Of course you would? You know, guys, I'll tell you
38:41
Speaker 2: this right now. The main thing this offseason, like the
38:46
Speaker 2: number one priority, has to be getting weapons on that offense.
38:50
Speaker 2: You just you just don't have them. Man, think about
38:53
Speaker 2: this motion. You invested a twentieth overall draft pick last
38:55
Speaker 2: year on a guy that barely saw the field. Now.
38:58
Speaker 2: I know that they have longer term plan for John A. Barron,
39:00
Speaker 2: and he looks to have some ability. But in the
39:03
Speaker 2: context of this year where you ended up making a
39:06
Speaker 2: Super Bowl run, that felt like a waste of it.
39:08
Speaker 4: Really they didn't think the window. Well, it tells me
39:11
Speaker 4: the window wasn't open this year. They didn't think it.
39:13
Speaker 4: Otherwise they would have gone and got a running back.
39:16
Speaker 6: And it shows you really didn't need him. Well, you
39:18
Speaker 6: know you really you really didn't utilize him at all.
39:21
Speaker 6: And now you're gonna pick late, late, late in the
39:23
Speaker 6: first round.
39:24
Speaker 4: Bro, did he play?
39:26
Speaker 2: If he did, I didn't really see.
39:30
Speaker 4: I don't recall me think about that your number one pick, doesn't.
39:33
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just not you can't do that.
39:37
Speaker 2: I think you're right, though, vic I, I don't know
39:41
Speaker 2: if they thought they'd be in this position. I really don't.
39:45
Speaker 2: And you need a lot of stuff to go your way.
39:47
Speaker 2: Obviously with as many close games as you won this year.
39:50
Speaker 5: He did, he did play, He recorded one.
39:51
Speaker 2: Tackle, not a lot of the The whole thing though,
39:55
Speaker 2: heading into this offseason is and I'm telling you watching
39:59
Speaker 2: the that Rams and Seahawks game afterwards, they had an
40:04
Speaker 2: absolute go to person, multiple guys on each team. The
40:08
Speaker 2: Seahawks went to Kenneth Walker, or they went to JSN,
40:11
Speaker 2: or they went to somebody. The Rams went to Puka,
40:14
Speaker 2: they went to Davonte Adams, they went to Kyron Williams,
40:18
Speaker 2: like they're everywhere.
40:19
Speaker 4: There are four teams in the championship window, in the
40:23
Speaker 4: AFC and NFC championship windows. Okay, four teams. Three of
40:27
Speaker 4: the fourhead something that Broncos do not possess not one
40:31
Speaker 4: but two running backs, and I know one in Seattle
40:33
Speaker 4: got hurt, not one but two two running backs who
40:36
Speaker 4: did damage all those quarterbacks we talk about, Oh, why
40:39
Speaker 4: is Stafford so good?
40:40
Speaker 5: He's great?
40:41
Speaker 4: Obviously, why is Sam Donald so good?
40:43
Speaker 5: He's great?
40:44
Speaker 4: They got running games.
40:46
Speaker 6: Yep, if you've got a JSN or a Nikua to
40:50
Speaker 6: throw to.
40:52
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
40:54
Speaker 6: But we're talking about the elite of the elite. I
40:57
Speaker 6: don't even know that we need the elite of the
40:59
Speaker 6: elite here in Denver, But god, dang is it? Is it?
41:03
Speaker 6: Is it a luxury? Is it a damn luxury?
41:06
Speaker 2: How do you guys feel about this? I love Courtland Sutton.
41:11
Speaker 2: Everybody here loves Courtland Sutton. My whole thing with Court
41:14
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years is he feels like
41:16
Speaker 2: he's a tweener, Like like he's a between a one
41:19
Speaker 2: in a two on what should be on your football
41:21
Speaker 2: team as far as your wide receivers. He had a
41:24
Speaker 2: pretty bad couple of games here in the postseason. He
41:27
Speaker 2: had a couple of drops. The one thing I did notice, though,
41:30
Speaker 2: is I'm watching highlights here on the NFL network. I'm
41:34
Speaker 2: watching Pukinakua. You don't think a defensive coordinator moj has
41:37
Speaker 2: spent his entire week planning on the guy not getting
41:41
Speaker 2: the football. Guess what yards and sixty five he still
41:46
Speaker 2: got open? JSN still got open. I Sutton wasn't getting open.
41:52
Speaker 5: Brett.
41:53
Speaker 6: You look at JSN twelve targets, ten catches, but twelve
41:58
Speaker 6: targets proeh, you look, I mean Puka fourteen targets, nine
42:04
Speaker 6: catches for one sixty five in a touch. When was
42:07
Speaker 6: the last time anybody around these parts had double digit targets?
42:10
Speaker 6: For crying out loud, no offense. I mean, it's just
42:14
Speaker 6: it's not we're not playing the same game.
42:16
Speaker 5: We're not.
42:16
Speaker 6: And listen, Vic, you may say that the Broncos are
42:19
Speaker 6: not built to be a snowplow. What the hell are
42:21
Speaker 6: they built to be? What the hell are they?
42:23
Speaker 5: What? What are they built to be?
42:25
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you control, that's not what they are
42:27
Speaker 4: right now. I I'm being honest that the team that
42:33
Speaker 4: that was more built for the snow was not the
42:35
Speaker 4: home team yesterday. No, you don't know why we keep
42:37
Speaker 4: going back to this, it's very obvious.
42:41
Speaker 2: Well, I just they're built the exact way that game
42:45
Speaker 2: played out. Like most this what's crazy? That game yesterday
42:49
Speaker 2: is not a surprise. That was every week? Was that game?
42:53
Speaker 2: What are you down three with three minutes left? You
42:55
Speaker 2: watched that movie like fifteen times this year. Yeah, they
42:59
Speaker 2: were built for that moment, but with a different quarterback
43:02
Speaker 2: who wasn't healthy enough to play. That's the problem again,
43:05
Speaker 2: If bo Nicks is playing that game, you're in the
43:07
Speaker 2: super Bowl. I'm convinced of it, because whether it's stalling
43:12
Speaker 2: out for the last three quarters of that game or whatever,
43:17
Speaker 2: he'd find a way to put you in position late.
43:20
Speaker 2: He just would, because he does it every week.
43:22
Speaker 6: And you know the but but but but hold on
43:25
Speaker 6: real quick though, but Brett, that's a tough way to live, man.
43:27
Speaker 5: Of course, it's a tough way to live. Of course,
43:32
Speaker 5: go ahead, vic. I'm sorry.
43:36
Speaker 4: Someone saying New England was not built for the snow.
43:39
Speaker 4: They're more built than the Broncos were. That's all. That's
43:41
Speaker 4: all I'm saying.
43:42
Speaker 5: Football.
43:43
Speaker 4: The only point I'm making is they had two running
43:45
Speaker 4: backs in a run game and a quarterback who ran
43:48
Speaker 4: the ball better. So I don't understand why this is
43:50
Speaker 4: even an argument. Watch the games. It ran it thirteen
43:55
Speaker 4: times in the third quarter, yeah, eight straight. Watch the game.
44:02
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44:19
Speaker 11: The Internet conspiracy theorists have done some digging and they
44:22
Speaker 11: found an interesting correlation. In the twenty first century, every
44:26
Speaker 11: time that a new Pope has been elected, the Seattle
44:30
Speaker 11: Seahawks have made it to the Super Bowl. So in
44:33
Speaker 11: two thousand and five, Pope Benedict the sixteenth was elected
44:36
Speaker 11: and Seattle went to Super Bowl forty, where they lost
44:39
Speaker 11: to the Steelers. Twenty thirteen, Pope Francis was elected, Seattle
44:43
Speaker 11: advanced to Super Bowl forty eight. Less said about that
44:45
Speaker 11: the better. And then this year Pope Leo the fourteenth
44:49
Speaker 11: selected Seattle advanced to the Super Bowl again, and every
44:52
Speaker 11: one of those times Seattle was the one seed.
44:55
Speaker 2: Well, it's been written in stone. Then the Rams had
44:58
Speaker 2: no chance last night, no matter how much yards Matthew Stafforst.
45:02
Speaker 5: I guess God's in control of that game.
45:03
Speaker 6: And hey, by the way, the Avs got a real
45:07
Speaker 6: good win yesterday.
45:08
Speaker 5: They dominated Toronto big time.
45:10
Speaker 2: They did. How about Brock.
45:11
Speaker 5: I know we'll get to more of that this week.
45:13
Speaker 5: Had I had to Autowa tomorrow, I got a I
45:16
Speaker 5: gotta see if I'm even on the show. Sorry, look
45:18
Speaker 5: at that, and go.
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Speaker 2: Ahead and check that live uh iTunes, Spotify, Mose Lombardi
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45:25
Speaker 2: Break down of this AFC Championship game all day today
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Speaker 2: on this Rally House Football Monday. Have a wonderful Monday.
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