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Patriots Draft Countdown: Previewing the Offensive Line, Will Campbell Film Review and Brandon Thorn Interview · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: And today we are in the trenches talking offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: We got a film breakdown from Evan, another mock draft
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  Speaker 5: from Matisa Chris that Evan's gonna tear apart for us,
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  Speaker 5: as well as an interview with Brandon Thorne. So offensive line, guys,
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  Speaker 5: it's a big need. But first, I just want to
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  Speaker 5: kind of set the table a little bit here with
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  Speaker 5: some of the latest news. Joe Milton formally traded last
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  Speaker 5: week to the Cowboys. Paul, do you see this impacting
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots draft plans at the quarterback position.
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  Speaker 6: I really don't. I think there's always a chance that
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  Speaker 6: you could take a quarterback later in the draft Day
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  Speaker 6: three at some time. I think it's something that a
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  Speaker 6: lot of teams try to do good practice, but I
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  Speaker 6: don't necessarily see it being any more of an issue
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  Speaker 6: right now. My guess is somebody that's not on the
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  Speaker 6: roster at that position will be on the roster at
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  Speaker 6: some point during the offseason. I don't think it necessarily
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  Speaker 6: has to be a draft pick.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think.
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  Speaker 5: You have a couple of names out there, maybe Day
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  Speaker 5: three fire kind of guys.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 7: The one guy that sticks out to me that just
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  Speaker 7: sort of fits the backup quarterback mold as Riley Leonard
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  Speaker 7: from Notre Dame has some athleticism, so he kind of
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  Speaker 7: plays a little bit like Drake May, So you will
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  Speaker 7: have that. It's clear that Joe Milton, you know, it
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  Speaker 7: didn't work out in terms of his long term view
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  Speaker 7: of his role on the team. So if you truly
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  Speaker 7: want a guy that's okay with kind of being a
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  Speaker 7: career backup, then that's tough. Like I think that's tough
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  Speaker 7: to find somebody that's truly going to come into the
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  Speaker 7: league as a rookie and say, well, all this backup
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  Speaker 7: Drake May for ten years.
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  Speaker 3: You know, not everybody's wired like that.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm interested to see how to handle that, you know,
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  Speaker 7: is it just a camp arm and Josh Dobbs is
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  Speaker 7: truly the backup and there's really no competition there for
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  Speaker 7: the second quarterback spot.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of where I'm.
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  Speaker 7: Leaning, is that maybe it's a they have two seventh
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  Speaker 7: round picks, right, a seventh round pick, a UDFA fly er,
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  Speaker 7: something like that.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think, TC, And you write the final
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  Speaker 5: chapter here for Joe Milton. I mean it wasn't here
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  Speaker 5: very long, but hey, he made some entertaining backflips, a
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  Speaker 5: couple of big throws, and had a nice game at
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  Speaker 5: the end.
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  Speaker 8: Of the season. Yeah, we got some good content out
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  Speaker 8: of it. I would have liked to keep maybe one
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  Speaker 8: more year. I don't think it would have hurt to
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  Speaker 8: keep him. But Paul said this before. It's never bad
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  Speaker 8: business to draft a quarterback. So you take somebody six
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  Speaker 8: round or later. Who knows, but I think Josh dobs
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  Speaker 8: will be number two this year.
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  Speaker 5: All right, guys, So this is the offensive line episode,
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  Speaker 5: and I just want to set it up with where
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots are at, because I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of unknown factors right now with this offensive line. Paul,
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  Speaker 5: you said on Patriots Unfiltered this week beside Morgan Moses.
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  Speaker 5: You feel pretty good about your right tackle right now?
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  Speaker 5: After that, it's a lot of guys that they've drafted
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  Speaker 5: that haven't quite developed unknown quantities. I mean, you can
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  Speaker 5: go right down the list with last year's two guys,
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  Speaker 5: Caden Wallace, Laydon Robinson. Two years ago you had City,
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  Speaker 5: so Michael when you feel pretty good about him hopefully
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  Speaker 5: having a bounce back year there at right guard back
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  Speaker 5: under Josh McDaniels. But Senator James bat Bradberry you bring
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  Speaker 5: him in and maybe replace David Andrews. Still some uncertainty there.
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  Speaker 5: How do you see this whole position group lineup? We
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  Speaker 5: know about the need at tackle.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean obviously that's the number one priority, is
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  Speaker 6: left tackle. I do like the idea of the competition
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  Speaker 6: they've created on the interior. I mean, when he's probably
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  Speaker 6: going to be the right guard, but you're right, Garrett
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  Speaker 6: Bradbury is an option at center. Cole Strange is an
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  Speaker 6: option at center at guard city, so you know, Leyden Robinson.
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  Speaker 6: I like the idea of those guys competing and at
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  Speaker 6: least being able to find one or two options that
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  Speaker 6: can fill in. I have no idea of where they
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  Speaker 6: turn at left tackle without adding someone in the draft,
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  Speaker 6: and whether that's Will Campbell right at the top at
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  Speaker 6: number four, we don't know, but they're going to have
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  Speaker 6: to address it because I don't think going in with
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  Speaker 6: what they had, like you know, Trey Jacobs or Vederian
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  Speaker 6: Lowe is going to be good enough. I like the
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  Speaker 6: Morgan signing. I'm on record is saying I think that's
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  Speaker 6: the best signing they made, But there's still a huge
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  Speaker 6: hole on the left side.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't see it either. I don't see how
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  Speaker 7: you don't go into the come out of this draft,
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  Speaker 7: I should say, with a big investment at left tackle,
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  Speaker 7: a top fifty pick, let's call it at least. And
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  Speaker 7: I wouldn't even mind if they took two right, you know,
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  Speaker 7: if they double dipped in the third or fourth round,
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  Speaker 7: kind of like they tried to do with receiver last year.
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  Speaker 7: So there's some names there that, you know, I'm sure
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  Speaker 7: we'll kick around the rest of the show that fit
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  Speaker 7: all those types of things. I think at left guard,
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  Speaker 7: I'm still looking at potentially another body in there too,
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  Speaker 7: as just competition. You know, let the cream rise to
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  Speaker 7: the top, and you know there's some mid round guards
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  Speaker 7: A really strong guard class. You know, that's probably one
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  Speaker 7: of the strains of the class is interior offensive line,
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  Speaker 7: not so much center, but guard specifically, especially when you
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  Speaker 7: talk about all the tackles that are probably gonna switch
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  Speaker 7: to guard come the NFL. So you know, a wilet
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  Speaker 7: Milen for example, Gray Zabel. You know, we don't know
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  Speaker 7: about Campbell right, Like all these guys, there's potential that
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  Speaker 7: they could play guard instead tackle in the league. So
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  Speaker 7: it's a good class and I wouldn't mind, you know,
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  Speaker 7: adding another left guard type to this mix to see
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  Speaker 7: if maybe they can compete there with those other guys.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the biggest question to me because it's got
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  Speaker 5: a new offensive line coach. And again I've been here,
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  Speaker 5: I've been covered six seasons. There's been different offensive line
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  Speaker 5: coach every single season. You're not back with Doug Moron,
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  Speaker 5: who was established, and I think we were all excited
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  Speaker 5: to get that experience back in the building. But I
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  Speaker 5: guess he's my question as you hear what Evan says,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't necessarily disagree, but is there something to
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  Speaker 5: be said that we drafted Ladon Robinson last year?
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  Speaker 4: You know, Kayden Wallace was seen as a right tackle that.
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  Speaker 5: Could potentially be development developed into a starter thrust into
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  Speaker 5: the fire last year. Do you allow some room for
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  Speaker 5: some development and let Doug Maroon try to maybe salvage
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  Speaker 5: some of these guys that we're a little bit low
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  Speaker 5: on at this moment.
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  Speaker 8: I think you want to see a jump, But there's
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  Speaker 8: also nothing wrong with investing in more talent. So we
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  Speaker 8: don't know what's going to happen at four, but I
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  Speaker 8: think it's a good year to maybe jump back into
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  Speaker 8: the first and maybe get another high level prospect the
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  Speaker 8: connorly Amylam Who knows, but I think you can, Uh,
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  Speaker 8: there's nothing wrong with investing in new talent.
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  Speaker 5: Last thing, I just want touch on guys. This is
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  Speaker 5: the center spot. Yeah, David Andrews here for so long.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's really been a position of stability for
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  Speaker 5: a long time in this organization, and I almost feel
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  Speaker 5: like you're stuck in the middle of the road right now.
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  Speaker 4: Like I mean, Garret Bradberry, they brought him in. Clearly
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  Speaker 4: he's been a starter in this league.
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  Speaker 5: You know, maybe it was a little bit going down
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  Speaker 5: in Minnesota, but Ben Brown started some games for you
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  Speaker 5: last year. But he's not I mean, he's not exactly
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  Speaker 5: a spring chick, and he's twenty seven years old. He's
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  Speaker 5: been around a little bit. Cole Strange is trying a
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  Speaker 5: new position. It seems like, like you said, Paul, you
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  Speaker 5: have some guys there, but do you really have a
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  Speaker 5: guy there?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I didn't even mention Jake Andrews, who I
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  Speaker 6: think could be in that mix as well.
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  Speaker 4: No, they don't.
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  Speaker 6: They don't have guys right now that I think you'd
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  Speaker 6: say he's going to start at center. He's going to
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  Speaker 6: start at left guard. I think when you will be
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  Speaker 6: the right guard. But I do like the idea of
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  Speaker 6: strengthen numbers there and there. It's not like they're all
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  Speaker 6: complete unknowns. You know, Cole Strange, former first round pick,
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  Speaker 6: has played reasonably effectively when healthy, hasn't been healthy enough,
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  Speaker 6: so that's the question with him. You know, Leyden Robinson
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  Speaker 6: I think has shown some power in the run game,
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  Speaker 6: little bit questions in terms of his past protection and
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  Speaker 6: you know his experience levels. So I think they have
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  Speaker 6: the numbers the bodies to be okay in the middle,
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  Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean I'm right there's gonna be These
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  Speaker 6: guys are gonna have to go out in the off season.
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  Speaker 6: In the OTAs and then in training camp and earn
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  Speaker 6: jobs earned, you know, and this is gonna be true
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  Speaker 6: across the board. This is what Mike Rabel's trying to create.
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  Speaker 6: His competition everywhere, but none more so than those guys
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  Speaker 6: in the interior offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: Just give me one name of all these offensive line
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  Speaker 5: and not most is not on WHNU, but one name
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  Speaker 5: of that rest of that group that you're most interested
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  Speaker 5: to see that you think could be. You know, a
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  Speaker 5: good preseason in summer from him would really solve some
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  Speaker 5: problems for the Patriots city.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm really interested to see him back in this McDaniels,
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  Speaker 7: Bill O'Brien type of offense. I thought as a rookie
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  Speaker 7: he showed some promise similarly to Leyden Robinson, and left
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  Speaker 7: guard has been a natural spot for him going back
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  Speaker 7: to college. I think there's a chance that, you know,
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  Speaker 7: we see a better player in this system, not a
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  Speaker 7: zone scheme where they're asking them to move a lot
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  Speaker 7: and they can block in a foam booth and get
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  Speaker 7: downhill and use his size.
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  Speaker 3: He's a big guy. I'm just interested to see.
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  Speaker 7: If maybe he ends up all of a sudden rope
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  Speaker 7: adoping lad and Robinson and all, you know, we look
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  Speaker 7: at it and say, well, this was what we thought
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  Speaker 7: maybe he was developing into as a rookie under Bill O'Brien,
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  Speaker 7: and now they get him into a similar system and
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  Speaker 7: it looks the same as it did his rookie season.
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  Speaker 7: I feel pretty good about Garrett Bradbury for the year
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  Speaker 7: at center. I think they have a bridge there at center.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, Drew Kendall from BC, like, that guy
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  Speaker 7: is like, that's a boss, that's a Patriot, right, Like,
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  Speaker 7: that's gonna be tough to pass on, I think at center.
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  Speaker 7: But I do feel pretty good about Garrett Bradbury for
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  Speaker 7: the season. Maybe not as a long term center. I
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  Speaker 7: don't know how much he has left, but for twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty five, they should be set there, all right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, plenty to digest here along the offensive and lots
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  Speaker 5: of needs, lots of questions. Check out Evans film review
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  Speaker 5: here of some of the best prospects in this year's
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  Speaker 5: NFL Draft.
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  Speaker 7: What's up, everybody, It's Evan Lazarre. Welcome into the Patriots
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  Speaker 7: Draft Countdown film room. We are going to discuss a
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  Speaker 7: huge position of need for the Patriots and this year's draft.
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  Speaker 9: Today.
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  Speaker 7: Offensive line in particular, we're going to talk about the
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  Speaker 7: left tackles or the tackles in general, I should say,
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  Speaker 7: And obviously, like I just said, we know that this
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  Speaker 7: is a major position of need for the Patriots number
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  Speaker 7: four overall potential. Here I would say with Will Campbell,
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  Speaker 7: who will get to in a second, but I would
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  Speaker 7: also say here.
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  Speaker 2: As well.
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  Speaker 7: With armand Membu, who will talk about after we get
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  Speaker 7: to Campbell. Well, let's get to the tape with Will
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  Speaker 7: Campbell and why he's such a promising prospect on the
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  Speaker 7: left side. Here he is at left tackle, and I
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  Speaker 7: just want to show you a couple of different pass
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  Speaker 7: rush reps here against Kyle Canard, who's a top one
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  Speaker 7: hundred player. Right there, protects his edge, no problem, right,
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  Speaker 7: just running right past the quarterback. Now, what Canard is
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  Speaker 7: going to do is he's going to try to inside
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  Speaker 7: counter right, So he's going to face like he's going
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  Speaker 7: to go to the outside, but we're going to cut
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  Speaker 7: back inside and watch Campbell's ability just to mirror him
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  Speaker 7: and just push him right out and keep the quarterback protected.
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  Speaker 7: And the last one here is really big. So let's
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  Speaker 7: go slow here because a big emphasis with Will Campbell's
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  Speaker 7: his arm length right. We know these arms are undersized
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  Speaker 7: for the position, but I want you to see how
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  Speaker 7: stout of an anchor that he has. He has excellent
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  Speaker 7: core strength and he's got that ability to use and
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  Speaker 7: maximize all the length that he possibly can have against
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  Speaker 7: speed the power. So if you posit right there, you
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  Speaker 7: can see how he's just able to sit down right
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  Speaker 7: here and just keep guys out of his chest with
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  Speaker 7: that excellent extension of the arms there and keep his
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  Speaker 7: quarterback protected. And we have another arm extension, core strength,
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  Speaker 7: play strength element here with just this kickout block out
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  Speaker 7: on the edge. He's going to kick it out, He's
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  Speaker 7: going to open that area for the running back and
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  Speaker 7: we're off to the races. So Will Campbell doesn't have
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  Speaker 7: those ideal measurables, but you can see the tape, folks.
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  Speaker 7: I mean it's outstanding from top to bottom for Campbell.
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  Speaker 7: In terms of the film. A couple other names that
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  Speaker 7: were worth mentioning. These guys are really worth mentioning. I
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  Speaker 7: should say now armand Membu fantastic athlete, good film, top
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  Speaker 7: ten prospect in a lot of ways in this class.
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  Speaker 7: But he's a right tackle, right, so we're gonna put
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  Speaker 7: right tackle next to him here. Patriots just signed Morgan Moses.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not sure if they're gonna be looking for a
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  Speaker 7: long term right tackle at that point in the draft
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  Speaker 7: at the top. The other two names, though, I think
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  Speaker 7: are important, are more in that Day two conversation. I
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  Speaker 7: think Bank is gonna be in the middle there. It's
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  Speaker 7: gonna be tough for the Patriots to target him. But
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  Speaker 7: Josh Simmons coming off that knee injury, let's see how
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  Speaker 7: far that makes him fall in this year's draft. And
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  Speaker 7: Josh Carnelie junior from Oregon had a great end of
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  Speaker 7: the season, right Championship game, college football playoff. Extremely athletic tackle,
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  Speaker 7: very high level pass protector, still young and can develop.
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  Speaker 7: If he's there for the Patriots at thirty eight, think
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  Speaker 7: you run the card up to the podium depending on
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  Speaker 7: what you do at number four overall. So that's the
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  Speaker 7: top of the tackle class. There's a lot of tackles
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  Speaker 7: on Day two and early Day three that might be
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  Speaker 7: of interest to the Patriots, But I'm still planting that flag.
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  Speaker 7: Will Campbell he's going to be a great pro. Might
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  Speaker 7: be inside, but he's going to be an all timer
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  Speaker 7: in my mind. So that's your offensive line breakdown and
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  Speaker 7: your offensive tackles for the Patriots in this year's draft.
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  Speaker 7: Huge position of need. Thanks for watching.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 7: We're joined now by a very special guest, the best
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  Speaker 7: and brightest on the offensive line. It's Brandon Thorne of
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  Speaker 7: Trench Warfare. Make sure you subscribe there and also on
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  Speaker 7: Bleacher Report. Brandon has some of the best draft profiles
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  Speaker 7: on the offensive lineman in this year's class. So we're
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  Speaker 7: going to get into the draft here in just a second, Brandon,
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  Speaker 7: But to set the table, I just wanted to ask
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  Speaker 7: you a little bit about the free agency hall that
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  Speaker 7: the Patriots have so far on the offensive line with
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  Speaker 7: Morgan Moses and Garrett Bradbrey. So, first of all, thanks
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  Speaker 7: for doing this, and Hi, that's all right, skipped right
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  Speaker 7: over that far.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to get into the football but good to
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  Speaker 3: see you.
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  Speaker 7: But just in general, what are your impressions of what
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  Speaker 7: the Patriots have so far cooking on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I feel like, you know, we'll start
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  Speaker 10: with Morgan Moses. To me, I really like that one
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  Speaker 10: because to me, you have a surefire short term starter
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  Speaker 10: at right tackle who brings a lot to the table
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  Speaker 10: in terms of just reliability, playing hurt, still playing at
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  Speaker 10: at least usually a solid level or better. And then
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  Speaker 10: if he's healthy for an extended period of time, I
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  Speaker 10: think you have a really underrated right tackle. And the
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  Speaker 10: reason why I like that too is because it really,
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  Speaker 10: to me, it solidifies the entire right side of the
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  Speaker 10: line with him and on Wana, keeps on Wano at
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  Speaker 10: his most natural home and right guard, and just.
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  Speaker 2: Solidifies that side.
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  Speaker 10: So I just look at that as a plus across
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  Speaker 10: the board. It makes a lot of sense to me
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  Speaker 10: why they would do that one. And then Brad Berry,
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  Speaker 10: I don't think that moves the needle as much as
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  Speaker 10: signing Moses does, but it does give you at least
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  Speaker 10: somebody who's played the position extensively at center, which you
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  Speaker 10: didn't have prior to signing him. Kind of allows you
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  Speaker 10: to go from veteran a veteran from David Andrews to
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  Speaker 10: him a little bit of a step back, but a
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  Speaker 10: guy who you know, worst case, if you don't address
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  Speaker 10: the position at all via the draft or any other
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  Speaker 10: free agent moves somebody you could roll out there and
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  Speaker 10: you know you could. You could probably win with him
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  Speaker 10: and sometimes win in spite of him. Honestly, depending on
• 14:23
  Speaker 10: the matchup. But you know, you could do worse, I guess,
• 14:27
  Speaker 10: and it's I understand the move.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: You could rationalize that one as well.
• 14:30
  Speaker 10: Uh So, Yeah, I mean, right now, I still think
• 14:33
  Speaker 10: the whole left side is up for you know, potentially
• 14:36
  Speaker 10: being improved. But at the same time, I see some
• 14:41
  Speaker 10: in house options if you do address left tackle to
• 14:44
  Speaker 10: where you could get a starter at left guard, you know,
• 14:47
  Speaker 10: from somebody that's on the roster now. So you know,
• 14:50
  Speaker 10: all in all, it's a it's a really it's a
• 14:51
  Speaker 10: fair spot to be in. I mean, it makes sense,
• 14:54
  Speaker 10: you know, where they are entering the draft, assuming that
• 14:57
  Speaker 10: they're going to address the offensive line in a maj
• 15:00
  Speaker 10: your way.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:01
  Speaker 7: Right, Just one more question on their current state before
• 15:03
  Speaker 7: we get into the draft. You mentioned left guard and
• 15:06
  Speaker 7: some of the in house options. What were your impressions.
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: I'm curious of Leyden Robinson in his rookie season, and
• 15:12
  Speaker 7: I think that if there's anybody that has maybe the
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: highest ceiling out of the current group that they have
• 15:17
  Speaker 7: on the roster, I feel like it might be him.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:22
  Speaker 10: I think just largely he was a pretty solid run blocker,
• 15:28
  Speaker 10: shakier and pass protection. He's a big, physical guy who
• 15:33
  Speaker 10: can uproot guys in the run game, you know, finish
• 15:37
  Speaker 10: at a pretty high level, deliver some of those body
• 15:40
  Speaker 10: blows that you'd like to see from offensive linemen, and
• 15:43
  Speaker 10: I think physically play strength and power wise, that translated
• 15:47
  Speaker 10: pretty well from the college to the pro level, which
• 15:51
  Speaker 10: was pretty expected, you know, coming from the SECS in
• 15:53
  Speaker 10: good competition like you did. So I feel like kind
• 15:58
  Speaker 10: of his best trade translated. It's just the concerns coming in.
• 16:03
  Speaker 10: We're still concerns in terms of matching up one on
• 16:06
  Speaker 10: one in past protection and just overall just past protection effectiveness,
• 16:11
  Speaker 10: dealing with stunts as well, and just you know, it's
• 16:15
  Speaker 10: just very up and down shaky, not super reliable in
• 16:17
  Speaker 10: that way.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: So he has to clean that up.
• 16:19
  Speaker 10: Obviously, and you know, we'll see if he could do that.
• 16:23
  Speaker 10: But I think all in all, based on where you
• 16:25
  Speaker 10: drafted him, what kind of player he was, based on
• 16:27
  Speaker 10: my evaluation, like pretty much as expected, and like now,
• 16:31
  Speaker 10: you know, with with some moderate improvement, I think you
• 16:34
  Speaker 10: could probably roll with him as a starter again, assuming
• 16:38
  Speaker 10: you know, left tackle is addressed in a major way.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: And yeah, and I.
• 16:42
  Speaker 10: Mean I'm not totally out on CD SOO either, so
• 16:46
  Speaker 10: that's a potential option. And then I know you signed
• 16:48
  Speaker 10: Wes Schweitzer as well, who's a guy I've always kind
• 16:51
  Speaker 10: of liked. So I I think the interior is if
• 16:56
  Speaker 10: this was the interior that you, you know, enter training
• 16:59
  Speaker 10: camp with, I think that's that's fine.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: So that's kind of how I see you.
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, let's let's talk about the big one, which is
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: obviously left tackle. And this is for most people, and
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: for my money, the biggest need on the current roster,
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: especially after they just signed Stefan Diggs here the last
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: couple of days, So left tackle huge need. I just
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: want to go through some of the tiers, if you will,
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: of these left tackles, and we'll start right at the
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: top of the draft with potentially for overall. And Will
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: Campbell I know in your write ups and we've discussed
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: this a little bit off the air, that you see
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: his best fit at guard, even though he probably could
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: play tackle. I don't want to put words in your mouth,
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: but I believe that's what you've said. Just so where
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: do you stand with Will Campbell? And then I have
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: you know, the arm length question there too, But let's
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: talk about in general with Will Campbell first and then
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: we'll get into the arms of it all.
• 17:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, So, I mean I think Will Campbell pretty
• 17:53
  Speaker 10: much since we came out with our first big board
• 17:55
  Speaker 10: in November, he's been my top overall offensive lineman and
• 17:59
  Speaker 10: throughout the whole process of seeing.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Him at the Combine.
• 18:03
  Speaker 10: You know, he didn't participate in the All Star circuit
• 18:05
  Speaker 10: understandably so, but combined wise and just getting to talk
• 18:09
  Speaker 10: to him for like my film room, and he's also
• 18:11
  Speaker 10: training with Duke Manyweather, as are a lot of these guys.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: So just like, he's just checked all the boxes to me.
• 18:18
  Speaker 10: In terms of my initial projection as a high level
• 18:23
  Speaker 10: guard who could potentially play center or excuse me, potentially
• 18:26
  Speaker 10: play center, but also potentially play left tackle. So yeah,
• 18:30
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think he's the best overall offensive lineman
• 18:33
  Speaker 10: in the draft. I think he he's the guy that
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: I would like to bet on the most. Now you
• 18:39
  Speaker 10: know that said, I I have a a point four
• 18:43
  Speaker 10: grade on him, which for context is kind of middle
• 18:46
  Speaker 10: of the first round. I don't see him necessarily as
• 18:48
  Speaker 10: an impact starter, but I see him as a year
• 18:51
  Speaker 10: one starter, and that's the distinction there. I think this
• 18:55
  Speaker 10: is you know, it depends, you know, if if you
• 18:57
  Speaker 10: want to put him at tackle, I could see a
• 19:00
  Speaker 10: you know, a Bernard Raymond sort of left tackle, Brayden Smith,
• 19:05
  Speaker 10: even though he plays on the right. I could see
• 19:06
  Speaker 10: that caliber of tackle. Those are two of the more
• 19:10
  Speaker 10: like kind of sowt off sort of tackles that still
• 19:13
  Speaker 10: move really well and do a lot of really good things,
• 19:15
  Speaker 10: that are strong and physical. But I just think if
• 19:19
  Speaker 10: you if you had a left tackle in place, then
• 19:22
  Speaker 10: you could play him inside, and I think long term,
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: I think that is the highest ceiling for him. I
• 19:27
  Speaker 10: compared him to David di Castro, although you know di
• 19:31
  Speaker 10: Castro didn't play tackle at Stanford. But I just see
• 19:33
  Speaker 10: a very similar sort of player in terms of how
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: he wins and what he does well body type even
• 19:39
  Speaker 10: but to me, he more so than anything, falls into
• 19:42
  Speaker 10: that bucket of And this isn't a knock either to
• 19:45
  Speaker 10: me at least I know some take it that way.
• 19:47
  Speaker 10: But a very good college left tackle who is kind
• 19:51
  Speaker 10: of in that pipeline to me ideally to kick inside
• 19:54
  Speaker 10: as a pro. And I mean most oftentimes the best
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: guards that we have in the league are collegiate left
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: tackles who were really good. You know, for if it's
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: Zach Martin, Brandon Shurf, Elijah Peterry Tucker. The list of
• 20:09
  Speaker 10: the serious is very very long. There's there's a dozen
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: or so guys at least. So that's to me, how
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: I really see him. Now, you know, a team like
• 20:19
  Speaker 10: New England that doesn't have a left tackle you know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 10: on the roster, to me, yeah, you try him a
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: left tackle first and then you see where it goes
• 20:28
  Speaker 10: from there. So but you know, I mean he just
• 20:31
  Speaker 10: checks it. Like in terms of my film evaluation, like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: I think his balance is really good on contact through contact.
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: I think his play strength is really good. He has
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: power that's good. He's really athletic. He I mean, he
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: does a lot of things well. The reason why I
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: see him projected inside yeah, the length. I mean we
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: kind of knew that in the spring, right that he
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: was gonna you know, barely hit thirty three if that.
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: But I think just when you watch his tape and
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: you dig into it, I think he has some issues
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: pass protecting one on one on an island in terms
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: of striking down the middle of pass rushers and when
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: you don't have very good length at all, that can
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: get exacerbated in terms of creating a short corner for
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: pass rushers to access and turn the corner on him
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: quickly here and there. It's not like a major issue,
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: but I think that could be just increased at the
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: next level. And then he also kind of drifts oversets
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: a little bit, kind of you know, soft inside shoulder.
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: Those to me are kind of typically the signs. That's
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: that's to me why Brandon Schurff moved inside. That's to
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: me is why Zach Martin moved inside, and Joe Toney,
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: Joe Bntonio, Peter Skoronski. That's that's why these guys move inside.
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: So that that's just kind of how I see him.
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: But all in all, you know, my favorite offensive lineman
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: in the draft.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you mentioned you know why guys move inside and
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: why arm length is important. Just for our listeners, can
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: you just explain sort of the mythology because I think
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: a lot of people think arm length we're talking about
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: ace of an inch in some cases, right in terms
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: of these thresholds, like why do you feel like it's
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: felt that it's so important to NFL teams that these
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: guys hit certain thresholds.
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: What also bucket in here put in the bucket wingspan,
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: which is a little bit different. To me, that's maybe
• 22:29
  Speaker 10: a little bit more of a relative concern for him
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: because as far as I know, based on his measurement,
• 22:36
  Speaker 10: he has the smallest wingspan of any offensive tackle to
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: come through the combine since nineteen ninety nine. So yeah,
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: that's per mock draftable. People can go to mock draftable
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: dot com. They have a database of players going back
• 22:53
  Speaker 10: to ninety nine, and he, I think would be.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: The smallest wingspan in history for a tackle.
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: So you know, he's like in line with Alex Kappa
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: and Connor Williams, so in terms of body type, that's
• 23:09
  Speaker 10: kind of what you're looking at, and obviously those guys
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: didn't play tackle in the NFL, So yeah, wingspan's a
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: little different. I think that's more so like how much
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: space you're kind of like you're the width of your frame,
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: you know, and kind of like the mass the girth
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: that you have, how much space you take up. And
• 23:29
  Speaker 10: I think when you couple that with arm length, when
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: you're talking about a tackle, you're dealing with a lot
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: of space at tackle, more so than garden center obviously,
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: where you're flanked from both sides, you're kind of a
• 23:40
  Speaker 10: little bit more in the quote unquote phone booth, but
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: with tackle, because you're operating in so much space, when
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: you don't have as much of a reach or as
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: much of a kind of as a as a stature,
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: you know, then it's a little bit easier to get
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: around you, you know, just because of you don't have
• 23:59
  Speaker 10: as much as you're not operating in tight quarters. So
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: it just it's razor thin, you know, margin for error
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: when you're playing offensive line in the NFL, playing in
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: any position, but especially offensive line and especially offensive tackle.
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: So I think that's why it matters. But at the
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: same time, if your hands are really good and your
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: technique's really good, you can overcome that, as we've seen
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: with some of these guys with similar arm length and wingspans.
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: But to me, again, like I think it's not just
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: purely length and wingspan. I think it's also some of
• 24:35
  Speaker 10: the technical things that I said, you know that I
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: think have gotten cleaned up to a certain extent, but
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: we haven't seen it be cleaned up on game date yet.
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: So yeah, I think that's that's kind of what it
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: is and how I view it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, And we could talk about this for another hour,
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: but I don't want to keep you that long, So
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: let's just move on to some of these other guys
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: and I we won't go as deep in them as
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: we did with Campbell, but armand Membu do just your
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: thoughts on him, and I think the big number one
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: question for the Patriots obviously is can he play left
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: tackle at the next level instead of right? And we've
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: been texting back and forth a little bit about the
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: history of guys flipping, and it's not very many guys, right,
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: it's a pretty small sample size of just a couple
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: that have actually pulled it off. But what do you
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: like about Membo? And could you see him going from
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: right to left, you know, right in college to left
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: in the NFL?
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean we saw JC Latham and tali Esa
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: for Waga do this last year. But aside from then them,
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: I think you have to go back to like Jedrick
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: Wills is kind of another example, And yeah, I mean
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: I think Membo could do it. You know, I don't
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: see anything on his profile or his tape or anything
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: that would preclude him from switching sides, especially if you're
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: doing it with enough of a runway to get used
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: to it. Like, you know, if you're drafting him in
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: day one, you say, Okay, in the spring, you're gonna
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: start repping at left tackle, and you have the spring,
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: the summer camp, all that, you know, months and months
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: to do it. Then yeah, I don't see why he
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: wouldn't do it and be an equal level player that
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: he would be on the right. So that to me
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: is kind of a non factor. And yeah, I mean
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: I like Membo a lot. He's very close in grade
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: to Will Campbell. These two are two of maybe like
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: three guys that actually have a true first round grade
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: on so I see him as a year one starter
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: at tackle. This guy, to me is more of a
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: true tackle. He's my number one true tackle in the
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: in the draft, but behind Campbell overall. And for me,
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: I don't see any technical issues playing tackle in terms
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: of range, the ability to protect the corner, redirecting. He
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: doesn't overset guys a lot, like he looks to me
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: very comfortable past protecting tackle on film, and he has
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: all the physical thresholds I think that you would want.
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: So yeah, to me, he's more of a true tackle.
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: But yeah, to me, I mean, like there's some interesting
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: kind of just to give people an idea of the
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: sort of pro that I see him being.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Like, I think high end comp.
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: Would be like a Dwayne Brown, you know, another six'
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: ford and change left tackle who played at a really high,
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: level who's about three, thirty who was extremely powerful. Athletic you,
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: know he played For houston for a long. Time he
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: had really good years In seattle two for a couple.
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: There so that's like a high end. Comp and THEN
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: i also see Some Mickey ikwanu as well in his,
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: game just in terms of his body, type, size of
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: some of the natural, power some of the abilities as
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: a finisher in the run. Game so that's kind of
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: another archetype THAT i would throw out. There but, YEAH
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: i MEAN i like him a, lot and to, me
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: he's clear cut like him And, campbell the two. Guys
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: it's it's kind of been this way for me since the.
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: Beginning they're you, Know, MEMBO i think separated himself a
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: little bit after the combine from somebody Like Josh, simmons
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: who is a Guy i'm very high on and just
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: with kind of some of his. Questions that's that's why
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: in member not having those same questions is.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: WHY i Have membo ahead of, him BUT i really.
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: Like simmons tape as. WELL i think he's a really
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: good true tackle. Prospect but, Yeah i'm very high On.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Membo.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah so the next wave, here if you, will The
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: patriots pick in the second round at thirty. EIGHT i
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: think there's a chance that if It's Travis hunter Or
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: Abdul carter or something like that at, four that they
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: don't get their left tackle with the fourth overall. Pick
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: the tier THAT i look at at that, point you,
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: Know Josh, Connery Arianti, ersie Maybe simmons if he falls
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: because of the. Injury maybe it's a trade. Up it's
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: the end of the first round to secure one of those.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: Guys but out of that, group who do you feel
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: like it is a good fit here In New?
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: England, YEAH i MEAN i really Like Josh. Simmons just
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: the thing, IS i think you have to start with
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: kind of the caveats.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: FIRST i, mean.
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: Five games in twenty twenty four before tearing his bettel,
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: attendant he looked like a very different player compared to
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: twenty twenty. Three he was much better improved in a
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: lot of, respects from his stance to his, technique everything
• 29:26
  Speaker 10: was kind of shifted and changed for the, better WHICH
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: i confirmed with him on the film.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: ROOM i. Did he did a lot of work and it,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: showed and he was.
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: DOMINANT i thought through the five games that he, played
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: and you, know part of that is he didn't see
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: great Competition Michigan state And. Oregon he had about twenty
• 29:46
  Speaker 10: or so snaps in The oregon tape was the one
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: he got hurt, in so you, see but there were
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: some really good stuff even in that small. Sample and
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: then The Michigan state game was probably the game where
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: he faced the best edge rusher he, saw and he
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: was really good in that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: One to, me like.
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: When you first turn on the, tape, though like he's
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: the GUY i got the most excited about probably watching
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: anybody this, year and it Was that's what made it
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: such a bummer when he got, hurt BECAUSE i was
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: expecting him to really like just rise throughout the process
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: AND i HAD i didn't watch him in twenty twenty
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: three either until after the, fact but, yeah like just
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: turning it on blind and watching, him you, know the
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: first game of the year and then watching all of his. Snaps,
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: yeah just a true prototypical sort of left tackle in
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: terms of how he looks on film and body, type
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: how he, moves the athletic, ability the the explosiveness and
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: twitch in his. GAME i saw some shades Of Christian darisaw.
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: There maybe just a little bit less physically imposing Than,
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: darrisaw but similar in a lot of. Ways and, yeah,
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: SO i you, know all in, all with the injuries
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: and all the, stuff all the questions with, him he's
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: like a ringe first round grade for. Me seven point
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: nine eight point zero is when first round grade start for,
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: Us SO i have him as a seven to. Nine
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: he's my third overall offensive lineman in the entire class though,
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: still BUT i couldn't quite get there on a surefire
• 31:13
  Speaker 10: first round. Grade BUT i think if you could get
• 31:16
  Speaker 10: him at the you, know the tail end of the
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: first or certainly in the, SECOND i, mean, YEAH i
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: Mean i'd be all over that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: One.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: YEAH i feel like if that injury didn't, happen then
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: we might be talking about him at four overall for
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: The patriots as the top left tackle in the. Draft
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: so it was a bummer to see, That but you said.
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: It he was absolutely dominant in those five games that he,
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: played all, Right so let's go into the sleeper category
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: here maybe a little bit later on in the draft
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: On day. Three are there any tackle prospects that you
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: think could end up developing down the line and be
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: sort of steals of this?
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: Draft, yeah there's there's probably a few names all throughout.
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: THERE i Like Charles grant a good amount From william And.
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: Mary he's a guard, candidate BUT i think he could
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: probably stick a. Tackle there's some shades Of Tront armstead,
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: there you, know coming out of college to, me small,
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: school maybe not quite as physically dominant As tron, was
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: but never really challenged physically either on, film AND i
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: watched a lot.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Of it of.
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: Him the thing about him is THAT i really appreciate
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: is his ability in.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: The run game.
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: To operate in his own heavy scheme that he did
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: With william And.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Mary just the backside cut offs for, him first of,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: all were.
• 32:31
  Speaker 10: Awesome that's something that you don't see a whole, lot
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: especially from small school offensive, linemen where the technique is
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: just so, sound, inconsistent and he has a lot of
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: like burst and quickness to execute at a very high,
• 32:45
  Speaker 10: level climbing to the second level leading out in. Space
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: SO i think in the run game, like he's a
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: pretty polished rum, blocker especially considering a small school. Background
• 32:56
  Speaker 10: and THEN i think in past, protection the way he
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: moves is a really good sort of foundation to work with.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: There Uh, so, YEAH.
• 33:03
  Speaker 10: I MEAN i like, him you, know kind Of round
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: four range is probably WHERE i like him. IDEALLY i
• 33:11
  Speaker 10: Think Chase lunt is interesting From, connecticut who's a taller,
• 33:15
  Speaker 10: guy uh than Than Charles. Grant he's like six,' eight
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: but another heavy zone scheme guy Who is he's a
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: little bit more erratic in terms of his body control
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: and and sustaining Skills, than grant but he's.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Very, twitchy explosive, moves.
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: Well and, you know he has a lot of really
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: good tape in terms of as a. Run blocker. THOSE
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: two I Think miles hinton is Interesting from michigan Left tackle.
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: Stanford transfer, this guy he's he's a bigger guy than
• 33:51
  Speaker 10: all these guys in terms. Of weight he moves really
• 33:54
  Speaker 10: well though he's maybe the Most talented michigan offensive lineman
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: to come out In several in, MY opinion i haven't
• 34:02
  Speaker 10: been super high On the. Michigan guys they've had really
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: good collective units over the last. Few years they Won
• 34:06
  Speaker 10: Two Jill, more awards but they just haven't had like.
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: A Dude and i'm not Saying that hinton is, a
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: dude but he. Has bloodlines his dad was A Perennial
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: all pro. Offensive lineman, he's big natural power and he
• 34:21
  Speaker 10: can get out and run and like lead in the.
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: Run game i'd love to throw a dart. On him
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: and on, DAY three I Think anthony belton. Is interesting
• 34:32
  Speaker 10: later on, day three like, this dude LIKE he's i
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: think he's like six six six five three thirty, three
• 34:38
  Speaker 10: forty carries it really well a lot of. Natural power
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: not very reliable in, past protection But he's he's the
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: sort of guy that you get into a building and,
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: you know you allow him, to develop see see. WHAT happens,
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: i mean he has a. PHYSICAL talent i think to,
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: you know, one day start some games. At tackle so
• 34:59
  Speaker 10: those guys, stand out and then there's there's more dark
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: Horses Like, logan brown, you know, maybe undrafted, you know
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: late day THREE that i think. Is Interesting john Williams
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: from cincinnati too is kind of interesting, to me although
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: he might. Play guard, so like there's there's some interesting
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: guys you know. Down there if you especially if you're
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: talking like rounds five. THROUGH seven, I mean i would
• 35:24
  Speaker 10: love to draft one of.
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: Those, Guys Yeah charles grant is a good one because,
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: you know you don't when you see Guys from William
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: and mary or at, that level you want them to
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: pop off the tape and be different than the guys
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: that are. Around them AND when i, WATCHED him i,
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: was like, all right THAT'S the nfl player that's gonna.
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: Get drafted, you know on the offensive line there is. Pretty,
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: obvious brandon as you guys, can tell is an encyclopedia with.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: This stuff so give him a Follow At, BRANDON Thorn Nfl,
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: Bleacher Report. Trench, warfare brandon thank you so much for.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Your.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Time, yeah absolutely it's. My pleasure thanks for. Having me, what's.
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: Up everybody we're back again for a mock draft segment
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: On The Patriots draft. Countdown podcast Here With. Chris cassi
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: we're Joined By. Evan, lazar guys today we are doing
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: a joint seven. Round mock we're Let let evan get
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: a little reaction.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: To this this IS genuine i have. Not, Seen.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: Yes, so evan before, we start we did no trades
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: and that's the right way to. Do it when we
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: get to SO before i get into, pick one, pretty
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: much there's been some Rumors That carter hunter won't, be
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: available so we we acted like they weren't on, The
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: board and, with that let's get. Into it, Pick One
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: will campbell L s u at, NUMBER. Four uh, second
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: round Pick a buka FROM. Os u Pick Three, Jack,
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: Sawyer yeah Pick Four carson swettinger mispronounced. That uh Pick
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: Five gunner helm Tight. End texas PICK Six dj giddons,
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: running Back, can state and Pick seven Seth McLaughlin. Ohio
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: state Pick Eight, kobe, King Linebacker, penn state and Pick
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: Nine jimmy, Horn. Junior colorado that doesn't.
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: Surprise me the last pick is the least surprising all.
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: Of those, but, yeah no That's a.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: That's a, good, job guys a.
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: Good job.
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: YOU know i Think that campbell we've talked at at
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: nauseum on all the shows Everywhere About.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Will CAMPBELL so.
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: I think abuka is a really nice pick for them
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: because just a steady guy that you feel really good about,
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: his floor you feel really good about, his professionalism, his
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: hands his ro out, running ability his blocking ability in the.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: Run game he's going to make an offensive coordinator very
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: Happy because he's going to be plug, and play easy,
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: to scheme easy to work around in. An offense, you
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: know you do worry a little bit, about speed, you
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: know long speed and ability to separate over. The top
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: but my com for him has Has Been jackson Smith.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: AND jigbook i just think.
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: He's just gonna, say that just, a glider he's just a.
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: Smooth criminal it's.
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: Also crazy because he's done, so much but he's been
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: overshadowed by so many. Great receivers but he holds the
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: record right Now For. Ohio state so he's. A, scrub
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: yeah he's been there for a.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Long time.
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: You know you hear a little bit of, You Know
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: robert woods with, Him too like just one of those
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: guys is gonna do the. Dirty work that's going to
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: go into the. Dirty areas it's gonna go over the
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: middle of, the field.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Catch everything one of my one of my favorite Things
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: about abuka is that he's kind of like a. Route,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: creator yeah you know he has he doesn't have that,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: breakaway speed but he has that ability to get open
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and find the open areas if there's a, breakdown route,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and that like, you Said The jackson Smith
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: And jigba, calm like very very similar, body types very similar.
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: Play styles obviously both One To. Ohio state but, you.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Know that's one big thing with a book is how
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: much he can really extend.
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: To, play yeah he's he's got six years in, the,
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: Car RIGHT and i think that that's something that is
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: underrated about receiver play, in general is those guys that
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: can really change speeds mid round sort of set up.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Defensive back so it's a, good.
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: Pick yep so then We Had jack sawyer and this
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: was a big debate when he came up on the
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: board because there were some other. Edge rushers. We had
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: Stuart from michigan, was there and that was kind of the.
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: Big debate, But yeah sawyer was the option we.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Went WITH so i like both those guys.
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: A lot, You know i've gone back and Forth With
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: josiah stewart just because of. His size if they're gonna
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: be a true four down defense and not so much
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: use like a stand up three four, outside LINEBACKER then
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: i don't really Know where stuart fits into, That necessarily Whereas,
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: with sawyer like he's a hand in the dirt four
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: to three n for the next, five, Years right like
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: that's a guy that's going to be, a starter another.
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: SAFER pick i, would say you know what you're getting,
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: with him and the leadership and the intangibles just off.
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: The charts my Comp For jack Sawyer Is, Mike.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: RABEL like i really, feel Like.
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: And i'm not, saying THAT like i know it's they
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: all Went To ohio state and they both. Are, captains
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: no but it's really when you watch, them play neither
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: one of them we're going to wow you with explosiveness
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: or athleticism or like be the the most twitched up
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: guy on. The field but they know how to. Play football,
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: they're smart they're intelligent guys in the. Football field they're.
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: Great leaders i'll never get the image out of my
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: Head with sawyer of him in the Middle Of ohio
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: state's huddle Before The national, championship game all eyes on
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: him and he's just in the middle rallying, the troops
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: getting everybody ready.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: For battle Like That's, Jack SAWYER.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And i think that's the culture that they need to
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: start building Here In. NEW england i think That's what
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: rabel wants to start. Building here you need that guy
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: that they can look to in those sort of sort.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Of SITUATIONS so, i mean you kind of hit all the.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: STOPS there, i agree.
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: All right so next We Had carson SWEESHINGER from ucla
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: linebacker thoughts on.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: That, THERE yeah, i was, YOU know i was late
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: to him a.
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: LITTLE bit i didn't do the linebackers a ton just
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: because of all the free agent signings that they. Made
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: there but he's a very very good coverage player and
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: a very. Instinctive player he's got a little bit of
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: size to him compared to some of the other guys in,
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: that mold, You Know, Jeffrey Bossa, barrett carter those guys
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: are playing at, You Know Chris paul junior twenty five
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: sweastioningers closer to tow thirty five, to forty which. IS
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: good i think that that'll help him out IN the
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: nfl level be a little bit sturdier against. The run
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: but what you see with him, is range, you know sideline, to,
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: sideline speed ability to run with verticals in the middle of,
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: the field. And coverage he's got some really high level
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: coverage reps on. His tape so if you're one, of those,
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: you know You're a patriot fan that's starving for, more
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: athleticism more speed at the, second level he's definitely checking.
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: Those boxes so the next, two picks we Had A
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: gunner Helm from texas tight end AND Then dj Giddens From.
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: Kansas state this Is where CHRIS and i were kind
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: of starting to argue a little because there was a
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: lot of talent still on, the board so we're trying
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: to see where.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: IT fell i think.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of talent in the middle rounds, for
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: sure for tight end and for. RUNNING back, i mean
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: we're Looking At devin neil. As, well yep we Really Like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: devin neil but we kind of had that MINDSET On
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: dj giddens kind of has that receiver back.
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: In him he was awesome in the run game.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: This, past year the ref rovers thirteen. Hundred yards this
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: he's in like absolute freak.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: On offense so McDaniels likes those receiving running backs.
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: And stuff so And also, HELM too i mean just
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: a prototypical.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Tight, end yeah, you, know yeah just so really he's
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: very appealing to, the eye especially the page's two older.
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: Tight, ends, yeah yeah.
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: You know Starting With. Gunner helm so he he injured
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: his ankle like right before the forty, yard dash ended
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: up running a pretty bad forty yard dash of, the
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: combine but it. Was understandable, you know he shared a
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: picture of it on social media and that thing was
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: swollen up. And EVERYTHING so i think you can you
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: can kind of right off. The FORTY like i think
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: if they, drafted him a lot of people would be
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: like four to eight, tight end like what are? We
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: DOING but i would ignore the forty yard dash. With
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: him my comp for Him Is. HUNTER henry i think
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: he's just kind. Of crafty he's got. Enough juice if
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: you want him to run, the seam if you want
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: him to run a, shallow like he can. Do That
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: but i'd say he's probably one of the better tight
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: ends on angular routes and then obviously finding some spots
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: and zone coverage and just being quarterback friendly over the
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: middle of. The field he uses his physicality well at
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: the top of. The route he's not a difference, making
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: blocker but he can hold.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: His own, you know he.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: Can block he can still. Make guys, you know he'll,
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: be okay he'll be serviceable as an. Inline BLOCKER so
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: i see a Lot Of hunter henry, With, HIM like
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: i think he's just gonna be, a steady reliable quarterback friendly,
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: security blanket which you know. All no and Then, With
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: giddins gettins is fun to me because like you know
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: when you talk about like your your friends at the
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: why that just got those crafty basketball moves but like
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: is not athletic necessarily but just knows how. To hoop
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: LIKE That's. Dj GIDDENS Like dj giddons has some really
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: like kind of weird moves and like weird body movements,
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: and uh you know that kind, of stuff but like it,
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: just WORKS like i, you know it's just one of
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: those things that that just gets the.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Job done.
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: He's, elusive uh he's really good between. THE tackles i
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: think he's probably one of the better guys in. That
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: range is like a pure between the tackles. Running back,
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: YOU know i think there's a lot of speed guys
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: at that point in. The draft you know Two In,
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: jaden blue You Know bishard SMITH. From smu but if
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: you want a guy that can play a little bit
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: on early downs too and and make some things happen with.
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: The BALL but i just, WATCHING him i, was like
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: this guy is kind, Of wonky like he's kind of
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: he's kind of crafty.
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: WITH it i like that, about him, All right so
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: let's finish. Up here We got seth McLaughlan From, Ohio STATE,
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: big osu one of. My favorites was A big, chris
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: pick and then we'll get to the. Other two We
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: Had kobe King Linebacker, penn state And Then, jimmy horn
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: which was a bit more. Best available had some Fun With. Jimmy.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: Horn yeah so, you know first, of all, with McLaughlin
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: it's a good it's a, good pick the, shrewd pick
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: because you know he's coming off the injury tours achilles
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: in practice last Year, in november so we might be
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: looking at a red shirt rookie season. For him but You,
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: Have garrett Bradberry and house at center that can play
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: the position for twenty.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Twenty five and if.
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: McLachlan, was healthy he'd be the best center in, the draft.
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: You know so he would be a third or fourth
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: round pick probably at. That position so you, draft him,
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: you know a little bit later than that because of,
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: the injury but in twenty, twenty six if he Was
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: the patriots, starting, CENTER like i wouldn't. BE shocked i
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: think that that's. A possibility so THAT that i like about.
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: That pick, you know you're, looking, ahead right you're, thinking
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: ahead and you have those extra day three picks now
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: at the extra fifth in the, Two seventh so it
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: makes some. SENSE there i think betweting Him And, drew,
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: kendall like those are the two guys at Center that
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: i've got my eye on For. The patriots one of
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: those guys is going to Be.
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: A patriot i. DON'T know I like kendall, a LOT
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: but i really.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Liked yeah, so yeah is that kind of that red
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: shirt year if he took you his first season here
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and kind of Falls, Behind bradbury So give bradbury. A chance,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: BUT yeah i really liked everything you Did At. Ohio
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: STATE and i mean he's kind of a. Field general
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: he kind of just runs. The show he's a, true center.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: So, yep yep he's a little bit more.
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: PLAY strength i, would say, You know kendall's a really,
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: good athlete really, athletic CENTER whereas i think mclaughlan's, you know, big,
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: ten right like a little bit more tougher and a
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: hard nose.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: And that kind. Of.
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: Stuff yep And So kobe king linebacker that was kind
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: of best player on. The, BOARD yeah, i know we
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: had some Fun With. Jimmy horn you, KNOW me I Like.
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: COACH prime i think there's anything wrong with picking up
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: another receiver at. The end see how they.
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: Pan out, he's fast right like you're Gonna have you're
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: gonna have a four to three for, you know high,
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: FOUR threes i would say is. PROBABLY realistic i think
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: his pro day was like four, three FIVE and i,
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: WAS like i don't know if he's, that fast but,
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: YOU know i think four to four flat to, you
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: know four three eight is probably a good spot. For
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: him and if there's one THING that i know for
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: Sure that drake may, can do it's throw the.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Go ball so if.
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: You get him As many goball receivers as, you can
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: there's nothing wrong. With that so you Throw a horn
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: in There With Kai shan Boudi With javon, baker maybe,
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: you know and try to compete for that vertical stretch type.
• 46:53
  Speaker 9: Of role he's he's sort of like. A, jitterbug yeah
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: that's THE way i would.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Just try he's kind of a jitterbug out in the,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: open field kind of moves, really well obviously has a ton,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: of SPEED and, i think, you know it's an.
• 47:03
  Speaker 9: APPEALING pick i don't know if they're gonna take.
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: Him, there yeah it's just, you know let's have some
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: fun at the end of, the, draft Because like evan
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: said in, the past we need a. FAIRWAY draft i
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: think we kind of. Hit, that yeah touched up upon
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: a bit. Upon everything so what letter grade would you
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: Give the CHRIS and t?
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: Spot overall.
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: THAT'S it i think what you said Is, fair like
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: it's a good. Fairway draft it's a good. Realistic draft,
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: YOU know i see a lot of, mock Drafts and
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: i'm not trying to, throw SHADE but i see a
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: lot of mock drafts where people are taking guys that
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: are going to go two rounds earlier, or like, you know.
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: Something crazy THIS one i think is more or. Less realistic,
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: You know buka might go a little bit earlier than,
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: thirty eight that might need to be a. Trade up but,
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: IN general i think all these guys are going TO be,
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: nfl players Right And will campbell hopefully be better. Than
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: that but, You, Know Bukah, Jack, sawyer sweahingert like those
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: guys are going to be good to, QUALITY starters i
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: would say IN the nfl at their respective positions and
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: type of this type. Of draft that's what you're. Going for,
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: you know we all want to see them hit on
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: like an all pro, caliber player, you know like they
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: did a couple of years Ago. With gonzo, BUT realistically
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: i think that this is what we're.
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: Looking, at awesome, All right CHRISTY plus b plus. We'll,
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: plus yeah we'll take.
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: That, PAIR.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah b plus.
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: That's better that's that's your playing on.
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: The greens we'll take you. Have it thank you so
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: much for joining our little mock. Draft, segment guys we're
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: gonna go to the offensive, line next where we'll Talk
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: About will campbell and maybe McLoughlin. As well so let's
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: get to that.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Segment next we're here talking the, offensive line, And guys
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: i'm gonna say that this might be what we're most
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: qualified to talk About, BECAUSE chris i don't know, about
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: YOU but i was an offensive tackle in. High school
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: here at my one hundred and ninety. Five pounds did
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: you play a little old?
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Tackle?
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Too guard little little, little guard little center were derailed
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: by the, foot injury.
• 48:45
  Speaker 9: But you don't want to get.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Into, details, sees guys your size OF why i gave
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: up FOOTBALL because i was not big enough to be.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: A tackle so, jokes, aside though it's a big position
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: to need For, the patriots and we're gonna touch. On
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: guards we're gonna talk a little bit on centers. As
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: well just off the, top though i'mnna start, With, you
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: chris just, real quick, offensive tackle, offensive, Guard center how
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: would you rank those positions of need For?
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: THE patriots i.
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: Would, say, one two three has to, be tackle. CENTER'S
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: guards i.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Think you have a lot of guards, right now a
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: lot of young guards kind of that you're working. With
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: currently you want to see kind of what you're gonna
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: do the cold strange, as well so you have that
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: in there In. Play city so is still on. The
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: team you know a lot of guys that you've been
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: working with over the last couple. Of years you want
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: to kind of see what you can do. With them but,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: FOR me i think obviously the Release Of david andrews
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: important fill there, at center and, OF course i mean
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: they don't have a left TACKLE and i think that
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: just has to be your point.
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: Of, emphasis yeah you teet, It up Chris.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: And evan this.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: Is it we're finally the moment in draft countdown where
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: we're going to Talk About will campbell all, right now
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: we've Talked About. Will campbell i's, gonna say finally to,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: this point but this is the official draft count down
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: Discussion Of, will CAMPBELL and i know we're going to
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: talk about but let me just set the stage a.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: LITTLE bit, i mean this guy's been starting a left
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: tackle since he was freshman in. High school he's Two TIME.
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: All sec he is highly, highly athletic but he.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Has some questions about.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: His length.
• 50:06
  Speaker 8: I've heard is that is?
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: That?
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Correct evan is that how you would?
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Put it you might you might, Say, that mike you might.
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: SAY that i think the biggest thing to on the
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: pro Side For will campbell as, a tackle he wins with.
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: His feet he's not trying to win with great size or.
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: Great length he wins with, his feet and he is
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: a fantastic mirror in past protection with his feet, inside
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: outside really protects the edge very. Very well but when
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: he does get his hands, on people he's got cinderblocks,
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: For hands he's got very, strong core and he's got
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: that ability to get your hands inside and really end
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: reps quickly and, you know control blocks and things. LIKE
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: that i think some of the concerns that people have
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: with the length they're valid in some respects that you
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: see at times that he'll drift out to his past
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: sets trying to get guys off his outside shoulder and
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: that will open up. The inside so you see a
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: lot of inside moves get to him. At TIMES but
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: I would i don't see a ton of is bull
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: rushers or edge rushers on, the edge, you know cutting
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: that speed to turn. THE corner i think he protects
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: the corner. Pretty well but you have to understand that
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: there are limitations that he's going to have to work
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: around with his. Arm length but at the, same time
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: he's the best blocker in. THE draft i have had
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: him as the number one offensive lineman from wire to
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: wire here in this, draft PROCESS and i think it's
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: by a pretty. WIDE margin i would say that he's
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: the best. Offensive lineman just.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: To just to jump in on it with the, arm length,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: You know i've never been a full believer, in that did?
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: You EVER.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: So i.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Could not.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: But that, BEING said I Mean, will campbell like, you
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: said he's been playing left tackle his. Whole career he
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: knows how to play the position and arm length at,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: that point like, he again he's already been doing.
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: It well like it shouldn't be that much of.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: A discussion i know is important to, talk about, and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: like OBVIOUSLY the nfl defensive ends and ed rushers are
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: much different, from college, you know just different beasts on
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: that side of.
• 52:09
  Speaker 9: The ball but he knows how to play. THE position
• 52:12
  Speaker 9: i think that's what's.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Important MOST and I Mean travis Hunter and abdulcutter and on,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: THE board i really think it's hard to Not Go.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Will, campbell yeah and he did IN the, sec two
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: which of course it's a badge of Honor For. Will
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: campbell the OTHER guy i really want to highlight before
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: we kind of start grouping players a, little bit Is
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: armand membo blew up.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: The combine three.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: Year starter right tackle six four three, thirty two built
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: like a, right tackle some maybe, discussion now could he
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: possibly move to left tackle with his athleticism doesn't have the.
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: IDEAL link i would say height problem. For him but
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: have he blew up? The combine and after we, got
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: back all of, a sudden we had mock drafts popping
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: Up with membo being the pick.
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: Fourth, overall yeah and when you watch his tape to
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: the movement skills and the athleticism show up all over,
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: the film especially in the, RUN game i would say
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: he's really good at reaching blocks on the line, of scrimmage,
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: you know the front. Side end you pull them inside
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: and allow those runners to get. The corner he can
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: get up to the, second level he, can combo he
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: can hit somebody on the, first level get up to
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: the second level on a corner safety. Or linebacker so
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: he's really talented and you can. See that and pass
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: protection gets out of his stands, pretty well slides. PRETTY
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: well i think the one THING that i had hesitation
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: with him on his. Game tape, you know first, of
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: all as a run blocker can get a little over
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: zealous and get a little, bit extended over extended and
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: like guys, you know backdoor him and things. Like that
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: but in, pass protection there's not a TON of nfl
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: style dropbacks on. His Film, at missouri particularly, last year
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: they run a lot of. Moving pockets they chip a
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: lot with their running backs and tight ends coming out of,
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: the backfield so they don't necessarily put their tackles on
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: islands like.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: You SAW with Lsu And.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: Will campbell so when you're trying to translate him to,
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: left tackle do we have enough evidence that he can
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: pass protect on the blind side at a highlight level
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: To Keep drake.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: MAY clean i don't know if we necessarily.
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: Have that it's probably a little bit more Projecting for
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: membu in that respect than it would Be for campbell.
• 54:09
  Speaker 9: To kind of go off.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: Of that.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: EVAN too, i mean you already kind of made that
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: kind of trial and Error With, kayten wallace of course
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: primary right Tackle At.
• 54:18
  Speaker 9: Penn state tried him on the.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Left side he did, get hurt so you don't know
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: exactly what he's capable, of there but there's probably. Still
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: POTENTIAL but i just think you need that true been playing. The,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: position yeah that's kind of my.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: Take off You Signed morgan.
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: Moses Too.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: Kadon wallace we Here From elliot wolf down at the,
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: owners meetings feeling like it seems like you're, gonna have,
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: you know a Right Side kaden wallace probably gonna be
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: maybe a, swing tackle but most likely on the. RIGHT
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: side i want to go down the list a little.
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: Bit here i'll throw a few names, at. You guys
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: names we've heard a lot though over the course of mock,
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: draft season which of course plenty of mock drafts.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Out there you want to go.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: Find one But Between, calvin banks who was maybe in
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: the conversation early On With will campbell up near, The Top,
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: josh connery another guy has seen plenty of, mock drafts,
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: very athletic ariante ursery just three. Popular names and the
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: Last one i'll throw in There Is, josh simmons who
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: could possibly be the best left tackle eventually in this
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: class if, he didn't, you know.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Get hurt this past season was off to a really.
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: Promising START stat i Saw On, josh simmons, you know
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: only allow, you know just, highly, athletic big but a
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: little bit of. Projection there maybe not What the patriots
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: need for some. Immediate health just overall when you look
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: at that group of what do you?
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Take, away Yeah With, kelvin banks are going to steal
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: a phrase.
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: From you he's kind of in the doughnut to me
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: of Like the patriots at four And the patriots at.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Thirty eight maybe he follows a little.
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: Bit further than people think and they could slide up
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: to like twenty or, twenty one twenty two.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: That range and Still Get.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: Kelvin BANKS but i see him as a guy through
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: and through that goes in the teams of most drafts at.
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: That position really good, run blocker really athletic. Run blocker
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: but you watch his Tape against clemson In The College
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: football playoff and he was just dominant in that game
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: in the, run Game Sprung jaden blue for like an eighty,
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: yard touchdown, you know just going right. Behind him so
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of That With. Calvin banks it's a positives.
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: FOR him i think his, body controlling his balance and
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: pass protection is where people knock him a.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: Little bit, you know when he has to.
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: Get out and redirect and mirror guys out on, the
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: edge he can sometimes lose his balance and his body
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: control get a little wild with. His technique so there's
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: some things to work on there with him in. That
• 56:25
  Speaker 7: RESPECT but i still feel like he's a pretty plug
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: and play tackle in. The pros and when you, have
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: that those guys usually go, Top twenty like you're not
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: usually looking at those guys late some of the other
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: guys You mentioned Ursery, and connerly, to me is a.
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: Flavor thing it just depends on what kind of tackle.
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: You want, You know ursery is a, bigger guy, you know,
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: six six three hundred and, thirty pounds three hundred and.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Forty pounds he has all of the big, tackle.
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: Tools right, you know he's a, people mover he's a great,
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: Run blocker he's athletic for. His size he gets out
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: of his, stance quickly but he can really dent the line.
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: Of scrimmage, you know you can run right behind him
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: on the goal line and have a pretty good idea
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: that you're going to get the. Football In So, Trent Brown,
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: orlando brown, you know like those kinds Of guys like
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: that's kind OF what i See. With ursery connerly is
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: the more athletic of, the two but, he's smaller better,
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: pass protector moves a little bit better in terms of
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: that type. Of STUFF but i think that's just what you're, looking.
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: At right do you want the people moving tackle or
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: do you want the high level. Pass protector and you
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: kind of have to side between those two two typically
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: eileen towards the pass protector when you're talking about the,
• 57:33
  Speaker 7: blind side but in general that that's where. We're at and,
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: last one, You, know simmons he easily could have been
• 57:40
  Speaker 7: the best left tackle in the draft if he had.
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: Stayed healthy but there's. TWO things a he's, not healthy,
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: you know that's a big. One tear so that's that's
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: usually a year off, from football calendar year off. From
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: football so you, have that you might be looking at
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: him red shirting as. A rookie i don't know If
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: the patriots are in the camp of being able to
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: red shirt first, round. PICKS right i think they need
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: their guys to play and to make an impact. Early
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: ON and i would also just mention because of, the
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: injury he did not get to the Meat Of ohio.
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: State schedule so he played beat up on bad, competition
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: basically Is what i'm. Getting at so when He, played
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: oregon when He, played michigan when he played teams In
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: The College, football playoff like what he had still been
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: dominant against. Those teams will. Never know and that's the. Tough,
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: PART yeah i just. REAL quick i got to. Jump
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: in just ONE thing i watched over the course of my.
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: Film study was there. On YouTube you guys can. Find
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: It It's josh Connolly Versus. Abdul, carter yeah and that
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: matchup just shows How Athletic josh. Connolly is that's what you're,
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: looking for that left, tackle position, GREAT feet, I Mean
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: abdull carter, Highly Athletic. Josh connolly connolly was able to moot.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: With him impressive, To, me chris what do you got on?
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Those, GUYS yeah i mean Talking About kelvin banks. LIVE
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: earlier i really like his second. Level blocking if it's
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: all as he's saying in, the box if he gets
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: outsiding off you a, little ify But Love kelvin banks
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: at the. Second level connolly kind of. Same thing can
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: kind of get, out there help you in, run blocking
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: but also a great. Pass protector another guy that we.
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: Haven't Mentioned.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Hyatt milliam he's been playing LEFT tackle i think thirty
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: three games Straight At, west virginia so you know he's really.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Comfortable there another guy really great in. Pass PROTECTION so,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: i think as we've said time and, time again you.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: NEED that i think primary. Left tackle you know that's
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: what you're.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: Looking for You saw melon down at the senior.
• 59:23
  Speaker 8: Ball.
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: Right Yeah SO millim i think is gonna play guard
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: at the. Next level he's a little bit. SHORTER arms
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: i know we had talked about That With, will campbell
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: but his arms are in the lower end of the
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: thirty two range. For tackle it's probably not likely and
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: he's kind of a power, oriented player so it looks
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: like he'd fit win well. At guard he actually took
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: some reps at center two down, in mobiles so they're
• 59:45
  Speaker 7: looking at him as maybe somebody that could play all
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: three positions on.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: THE interier I Love.
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: WYATT milliam i think that that's like a great third
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: round pick option For the patriots as somebody that could
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: Probably play day one at left guard if they wanted.
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: Him TO and i know they have some names that
• 59:59
  Speaker 7: they could throw at a left guard with their recent,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: draft picks but if they really wanted to remake the
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: left side of the, offensive line and they came out
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: of this Draft with Campbell And, wiltt milin like that's
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 7: the left side for the next, five years, you know
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: or maybe. Even LONGER so i feel really good about him.
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  Speaker 7: At guard maybe not so much, at tackle but there
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  Speaker 7: are some DEVELOPMENTAL tackles i think are. Interesting too, you
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  Speaker 7: Know Just charles Grant from William, and mary a really,
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  Speaker 7: great athlete probably has to be remade in, pass protection
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: but an awesome run blocker already just pops off, the tape,
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  Speaker 7: you know against that. Level Competition anthony Belton From enzie
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  Speaker 7: state another GUY that i think can have some tools
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  Speaker 7: and has some upside maybe as a. DEVELOPMENTAL player i
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 7: know you were going To Mention, Logan, brown.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, kid, yes yeah a little bit of, ro big all,
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  Speaker 5: the sides all, the measurables just raw one season as. A,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: startup yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And, you know he he had some Issues at wisconsin
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: that they'll have to vet off, the field ended up
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: leaving that program and Going, To kansas so that's kind
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: of knocked him down the board a. Little BIT but
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  Speaker 7: i think, tools wise, you know he would be a
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  Speaker 7: top one hundred pick if it was just based off of,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 7: the football but unfortunately he had an incident with a
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: Teammate at wisconsin and it caused him. To transfer, so.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah just to put a boat here on the, TACKLE
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  Speaker 5: class I gotta i gotta MENTION our, Bc Guy. AUSIE
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  Speaker 5: tropello i know you, saw him, giant guy, right tackle
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  Speaker 5: played a little left tackle early in his CAREER, at
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: bc but it seems like he's added maybe a little
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: bit of Weight even but he's an ascending kind. OF
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: prospect i just don't know guys like if they need
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: to take a right tackle. Right now it just feels
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  Speaker 5: like if you're going to draft the tackle in, this
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  Speaker 5: class you at least need some kind of hope that
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  Speaker 5: maybe he's going to be able to get on the
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  Speaker 5: left side, Anybody Else, so chris for you down the
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  Speaker 5: list that we didn't.
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  Speaker 4: Mention, honestly yeah, all, right cool let's move on.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: Just guards and centers and. You guys you said at, The,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: top chris a lot of guards on. The offense you're
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: hoping that some of those guys. WORK out i mean
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: they've thrown a lot at the wall over the last.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Few years at.
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  Speaker 5: That position not a lot right now you feel confident, About,
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  Speaker 5: that oh we We got we're all Set With layden.
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  Speaker 5: ROBINSON there i think personally i'd love To see robinson
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  Speaker 5: work out of left guard and we don't have to think.
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  Speaker 5: About it, but again they're gonna have to prove it on.
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  Speaker 5: The field just a few guys go to throw out.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: At Guard greys abel, outstanding athlete lower level school And
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: See North. Dakota state but another guy you saw At
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: The senior bowl and probably a first.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: Round, pick fantastic like just a fantastic. FOOTBALL player i
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: see a lot of all. Five, POSITIONS yeah i see
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: a Lot.
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  Speaker 9: Of joe toney in.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: His game you know he's probably gonna play to guard after,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: playing tackle mostly. In college but there's a really good
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 7: track record of moving left tackles from college to the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: left guard in The Pro, Zach Martin, Joe Toney, Brandon
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: Sheriff Elijah, Vera tucker like the list goes on, and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: ON and i think. He's next he's going to be
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: next in. That line, just athletic great, pass protector plays
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: with great leverage and hand strength in a bolt of
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: run and. PASS game i couldn't say enough good things
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 7: About grays abel. Like that i'm the doughnut, two though
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: Absolutely stud he's going to be a hell of a
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: player for a long. Long time, BUT this i, would say,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: you know just, in general looking at, this draft this
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 7: is a strength at the draft is interior, offensive line
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: especially when you figure in all the tackles that, in
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: college tackles that could, Move inside like we were just
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: Talking about milom And You donovan jackson played a little
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: Tackle At, ohio State and Zabel And cam Williams from
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: texas might.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: Move inside campbell obviously might.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: Move inside so there's a bunch of guards in this
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: draft that are really. Really appealing it just as a
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 7: matter of how early Did the patriots want to jump on.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: A guard and they Do have robinson and So and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: strange and some guys that they've already picked early the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: last couple. Of YEARS but i think a lot of
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: those guys in this draft are better than some of
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: the guys they have currently on.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: The, roster CHRIS before i, Go you i'm gonna throw
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: one more guy in, The Mix Tyler. Booker alabama i'm
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: almost only putting him on right now because his cool
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: Thing with colmin is he loves taking the love of.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: The game away. From people Just that.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: Mahler mentality that to Me Screams.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: MIKE rabele i heard him.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: Say THAT then i turned on the tape of him
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: and he's just running, it full knocking him to.
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  Speaker 4: The ground really.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: Tough, PLAYER yeah, I Mean tyler bergee is a natural.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Football power like he lines up on, the field he's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: just gonna he's gonna hunt. You down that's just how
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: that's the ovisive line, Of mentality like you're gonna line
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: up in front, Of me i'm gonna beat you off.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 9: The ball that's just how it's. Gonna be the other
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 9: two guys want To mention.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Georgia Guys tate Ralage And dylan fairchild both really Solid,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: guards fairchild both of them better and.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 9: Pass protected.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Pass protection fairchild kind of hit still mats at the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: front of the line on. RUN game i want to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: see him working on the spot work a little, bit
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  Speaker 1: MORE BUT i o would sly those two guys are.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: Really, solid yeah one more eye just still throw.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: In There donovan jackson who went over to left Tackle
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: for simmons when he. Got hurt another guy he's probably
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: first first, round pick top, fifty pick plug and play kind.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Of, guys yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Really smooth just you see the way. HE moves i
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: think definitely fits. More guard just the body type and
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: the play style is more guard. Than tackle but You,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: mentioned BOOKER and i Wouldn't rule booker out at. Thirty
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 7: eight he did not have a. Great combine you don't
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: see guards typically drafted high, in general but especially guards
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: that aren't great athletes don't get drafted high. In general
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: the amount of business decisions that people Made when booker
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: was pulling up to the second d literally not a
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: single person wanted to get in front of that. Freight
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: train like it was incredible to watch the amount of
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: guys that would just start, backing up like, all, right
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: yeah you, got, it dude so downhill run Game, at
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: alabama like they love. Pulling guards they love smash mouth Football.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: In tuscaloosa josh McDaniels loves smash. Mouth football That's a. Patriot,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: guard like That's a. Patriot GUARD so i could. See
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: him good Shout. WITH fairchild i loved. HIS tape i
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: thought he's kind of underrated in. This draft, former college
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 7: a high. SCHOOL wrestler i should say he went one
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: hundred and sixty two to zero in his high school,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: wrestling career, never lost which. Is incredible two time. State
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 7: champion and you can, see that, you know on, his
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: tape just the way that he can grapple with guys
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: and leverage guys and things. Like that so he's a really,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: good blocker, really versatile can do a bunch of. Different
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: THINGS so i could see him being an option to at.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: Left card, all, right lastly let's just move on to the.
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  Speaker 5: Center position always really hard. To project these guys are
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: not usually, the top, you know first few rounds of.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: The draft it's more, very, specific need very specific player
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: that you're going to. BE selecting i just want to
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: Throw out seth, mcla McGlaughlin who run, the One The
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: rimington trophy is the best center of, the nation and
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: of course keeping A Local, drew kendall Son Of pete
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: kendall UP. AT bc i know you saw him as
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: well AT The Bc.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: Pro, day yeah those are two GUYS that i would
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 7: look at. At Center and i'd also just mention some
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 7: of these guys that we talked about. MOVING inside a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: lot of these guys are taking reps at center during
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: the pre. Draft process, You Know Zabel milam bolt did
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: it In The. Senior bowl so is there a chance
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: that one of those guys ends up at center? LONG
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: term i would, Say yes but those are the two.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: True centers and McLaughlin had a bad injury last Year
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: At ohio state in practice Unfortunately tours achilles so's, he's
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: injured Just Like. Josh simmons so you're kind of getting
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: into that same conversation there. With him but maybe you
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: do get him now later on date because of, the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: injury and you stash Him Behind gaarre bradbury for a
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: year and maybe he's your center in twenty. TWENTY six
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: i don't. Hate That And drew kendall just makes so
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: much sense, for them, You Know doug maron was there
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: last Year the patriots offensive Line coach bill O'Brien and josh. McDaniels'
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: offenses they're very. Adjacent center, you know obviously a big
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: mental load on, the CENTER and i feel like that
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: would be a seamless transition for him into those. Two
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: PLAYBOOKS so i think that makes all the sense in.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: The world but he's getting a lot of buzz right
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: now and he's starting to climb the board a, Little
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: BIT so i think you're looking at mid day Three
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: For Drew kendall Gunny, Centers, CHRIS.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah i just want to Touch On drew kendell. THE lot,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 9: i mean it's awesome ability.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: As, well yeah it's very pleasing to get outside on
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: screen passes and kind of lead the charge like, that's
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: huge especially when you need the speed at center as
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: you're the third guy.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 9: Out there, you know you gotta gotta be.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Out FRONT so i Really Like, drew kendall but a
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: couple Other Guys JONAH monheim usc he has a great first.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: STEP there i Really Liked eli cox Out of kentucky
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: KIND of sec one OF the, sec tackles.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 9: So he has that going.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: For him he has a, really great great speed also
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: really good second level blocker on the.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 9: Run game kind of needs a little more help in.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Pass PRO but i, mean again you like to run
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: the ball Here In, new england Especially with Mandre and
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: gibson there in, The backfield so there's that Upside In
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: marie smith Out Of.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: Florida state, All, right well that's gonna cover the. Offensive
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: line big position to need, of course starts with the.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: Tackle position could Be a patriots potential pick at, fourth
• 1:08:26
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