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Furness Show 11-17: Hugh Millen, Mike Sando, Chris Crawford · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 3: Chris Crawford. Come up today.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Hugh Millan is here.
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  Speaker 2: He is with us in his hardcore football on this
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  Speaker 2: Monday after a bummer Seahawks lose in a just a
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  Speaker 2: huge just felt like a heavyweight title fight yesterday at
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  Speaker 2: Sofi Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: How are you, my friend? Yeah, I'm I'm doing fine.
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  Speaker 3: I think I in hearing some of their critique. I'm
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  Speaker 3: I'm feeling in a little bit of Aaron Rodgers r E.
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  Speaker 3: A lax mode, you know this morning when I was
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  Speaker 3: on with Chuck and Buck. Yes, you know, I'm like, look,
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  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold had four interceptions. They're all double minuses. There's
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  Speaker 3: no excuses.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into some of the detail about it. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not trying to shirk what he did, but I think
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  Speaker 3: that some of the critique that has been coming his way.
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  Speaker 3: To me, fan how you want a fan, I'll just
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  Speaker 3: say the way I fan. I would need to see
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  Speaker 3: something a lot worse over a longer period of time.
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  Speaker 3: If I was in a coma and I woke up
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  Speaker 3: and I only heard and read the critiques of Sam
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  Speaker 3: Donald and didn't know what he had done prior to yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: but yesterday was all I had to go by, I
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  Speaker 3: would think this guy that the Seahawks are three and seven,
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  Speaker 3: this guy's at the bottom of Pro football focused rankings
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  Speaker 3: as opposed to number one as he was going in
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  Speaker 3: this game. I would think that he's at the bottom
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  Speaker 3: of the QBR, you know, which is the the Gucci
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  Speaker 3: Passer Rating upgrade. And he was number one going to
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  Speaker 3: this week, and and so I would just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I would look at Sam Donald and I would say,
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  Speaker 3: here's a guy that had one of the most epic
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  Speaker 3: Rose Bowls or Bowl games I've ever seen, in a
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  Speaker 3: fifty two to forty nine shootout when the Trojans beat
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  Speaker 3: Penn State. He threw for four and fifty three yards
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  Speaker 3: and five touchdowns. You know, I don't know that he
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  Speaker 3: has it's the clutch gene if you know, maybe he
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  Speaker 3: had it and he doesn't have it anymore, that it's
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  Speaker 3: in his head from last year. I am certain of this.
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  Speaker 3: They say football is a game of inches, and the
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  Speaker 3: most important inches in the for the entire Seattle Seahawk
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  Speaker 3: franchise franchise, in my opinion, is the six inches of
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  Speaker 3: gray matter under Sam Darnold's cap, because for the next
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  Speaker 3: four weeks, it's not gonna matter what he does. He
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  Speaker 3: could be the NFC Player of the Week every week,
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  Speaker 3: be the NFC Player of the month. And you say, well,
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't make sense because he just had a game
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  Speaker 3: in mid November and the next game is is mid December.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's a third. But you get the point.
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  Speaker 3: It's all gonna matter if if they line up and
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  Speaker 3: they play like that on defense, and Sam Darnold can
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  Speaker 3: improve his game just nominally. What if he has a
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  Speaker 3: good game, What if he has a great game, But
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  Speaker 3: if he just does something other than four inter step
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  Speaker 3: and you come back and you win that game, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I just think that this is awful early to be
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  Speaker 3: putting a shovel on this guy. So and and final
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  Speaker 3: point on that at seven and three and just one
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  Speaker 3: game out of the conference lead. The Seahawks right now
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  Speaker 3: are in the exact same position or better after ten
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  Speaker 3: games than five of the six most recent super Bow
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  Speaker 3: Bowl champions. There's only one team, I'm not sure which
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  Speaker 3: it was, but they're eight and two at the ten
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  Speaker 3: game mark. All of the other five of the last
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  Speaker 3: six Super Bowl winners were seven to three or worse
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  Speaker 3: after ten games. So they're they're right there. They're right there.
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  Speaker 3: If Sam Darnold somehow hasn't freaked himself out and that
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  Speaker 3: and he won't repeat this so and we won't know
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  Speaker 3: that until December eighteenth.
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  Speaker 2: And we'll get to the we'll get to that in
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  Speaker 2: a second. To go through some of the interceptions and
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  Speaker 2: some other things, I want to ask you Milling about
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  Speaker 2: hardcore football. By the way, Ernest Jones agrees with you.
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  Speaker 2: Here here's him post game yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Sam's been balking, right.
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  Speaker 5: If we want to try to define Sam by this
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  Speaker 5: game or what man, Sam's bean had us in every game.
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  Speaker 5: So for him to sit there and say, oh, that's
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  Speaker 5: my fault, No, it's not. It was plays that defensively,
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  Speaker 5: we could have made plays. There were opportunities where we
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  Speaker 5: could have got better stops. Yeah, I mean, like it's football, man,
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  Speaker 5: he's our quarterback. We got his back, and you got
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  Speaker 5: anything to say, quite frankly.
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  Speaker 3: You okay, linebacker's got his back. He Well, I think
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  Speaker 3: I think that's important. I think that you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: he's a green dot on the defense. And you could
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  Speaker 3: see how inspired that defense was to me.
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  Speaker 4: Just the.
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  Speaker 3: Goal line stands in the first quarter were heroic, and
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  Speaker 3: you know they ultimately you know, got pierced one time
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  Speaker 3: on a fourth down when when Sean McVay was empty
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  Speaker 3: and everything he had no you know, he was completely flummoxed.
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  Speaker 3: That was just warriors down there baddling. You know, it
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  Speaker 3: was beautiful and so and he's the he's the in
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  Speaker 3: some ways the captain of the defense, right, he's the
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  Speaker 3: he's the vocal one on the field. So so I
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  Speaker 3: think that that probably projects how the defense feels about him.
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  Speaker 3: Now again, if it happens again on December eighteenth, now
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  Speaker 3: we're saying we got a problem. But yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna freak out about a team that's seven
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  Speaker 3: and three and that this that wasn't the thrust of
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  Speaker 3: my tenor this morning. It wasn't until I hear everybody
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  Speaker 3: just like jumping off the Sam Darnold trip and whacking
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  Speaker 3: him around like he's on a you know, hanging from
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  Speaker 3: a like a Pignonto hanging from a tree, as if
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  Speaker 3: the guy had never freaking done anything.
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  Speaker 4: He was.
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  Speaker 3: He was twenty four and eight over his last thirty
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  Speaker 3: two games, you know. And by the way, at some point,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know whether it's your show or whatever, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to unload on this whole uh you know,
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  Speaker 3: seeing ghost stuff that people seem to resurrect. Well, right now,
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  Speaker 3: we want to do it right now.
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  Speaker 6: Let's do it right now.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah, So when Sam Donald was freshly twenty two
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  Speaker 3: years old, he played on a Monday night game against
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  Speaker 3: the New England Patriots, and Tom Brady that in that game,
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  Speaker 3: if you watch that game, it was, which I have.
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  Speaker 3: I've watched the coaches tape and I did it this
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  Speaker 3: summer or when when we acquired Donald, so I have
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  Speaker 3: it fresh and in my memory relatively fresh. It was
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  Speaker 3: some of the worst offensive offensive coordinating I've seen. You
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  Speaker 3: were going against Bill Belichick. You know what the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: were that year twelve and four, you know what they
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  Speaker 3: were ranked in in defense, number one in points, number
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  Speaker 3: one in yards, fewest touchdown passes thirteen, most interceptions sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: They were number one defensively across the board. Sam Darno
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  Speaker 3: was twenty two, and his first two years at the
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  Speaker 3: Jets he had two offensive coordinators that when they got fired,
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  Speaker 3: they never got a job in the NFL. Again, gone,
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  Speaker 3: that never happens. Usually a guy will get a tight
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  Speaker 3: end coach job somewhere, right, but anyway, So, seeing ghosts
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  Speaker 3: is a terminology. I've been in quarterback meeting rooms with
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  Speaker 3: three Hall of Fame quarterbacks and three additional Pro Bowls,
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  Speaker 3: so six Pro Bowl quarterbacks. Seeing ghosts is a lexicon.
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  Speaker 3: It's a term of the industry, and what it means,
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  Speaker 3: obviously is that you're seeing some you think that there's
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  Speaker 3: a player who's not there. So I heard, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of people are saying, oh, Sam Donald was
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  Speaker 3: seeing ghosts yesterday. No, Sam Darnald wasn't seeing any ghosts. He,
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  Speaker 3: if anything, he should have seen the guys that were there.
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  Speaker 3: So if you want to critique Sam Donald, don't say
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  Speaker 3: seeing ghosts because it was the opposite of seeing ghosts,
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  Speaker 3: right like he like right he was he was he
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  Speaker 3: was seeing guys in invisible suits, like it's the opposite
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  Speaker 3: of a ghost. And what happened. I watched the tape,
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  Speaker 3: I I I noted the time that they said said
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  Speaker 3: it was very clear when they had the mic up audio.
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  Speaker 3: They came back and and it was after an interception
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  Speaker 3: that he had had in the red zone. And it
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  Speaker 3: was one of two things. And this term seeing ghosts
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  Speaker 3: is used in quarterback meeting rooms. Like I would say
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  Speaker 3: that here's an example of ian. You're a hockey guy.
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  Speaker 3: Let's suppose that that you heard wired some up the
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  Speaker 3: you know, a goalie said I'm here in war chance.
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  Speaker 3: You know, well, you'd say, oh, well, this guy's freaking out.
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  Speaker 3: Well what if I told you that that's uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just some you know, it's a it's a
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  Speaker 3: term of the industry that maybe somebody I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know, you know, I know what you're saying. I know
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  Speaker 2: what you're saying one way, and then yeah, okay, let's
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  Speaker 2: do this. We can actually take a break here, can
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  Speaker 2: take a break here. Let's take a break here, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll reset. We'll get Humillon on we come back hardcore
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  Speaker 2: football talking about an emotional game yesterday, and I need
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  Speaker 2: My hardcore football, Hugh Millon, maybe this here in just
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  Speaker 2: a second, good to go? All right, Hugh, let me,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's get into it. I don't want to bury
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  Speaker 2: the lead too much because hardcore, we wanted, we want
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  Speaker 2: you to be able to explain to us how things happened.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, And.
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  Speaker 2: I just want so bad to blame this on Anthony Bradford,
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  Speaker 2: like everything that went wrong yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: But well the second, the second pick, you can absolutely
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  Speaker 3: put a good bit of the blame there. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's just a simple a stunt, uh, you know, tackle
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  Speaker 3: and stunt, and you know you've got to be aware
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  Speaker 3: that when the tackle goes away from you that the
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  Speaker 3: end is going to come back to you. That's just
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  Speaker 3: like basic stuff. I mean, just.
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  Speaker 2: Watching I just watched it again and I bring that
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  Speaker 2: up because you know who I was watching it with
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  Speaker 2: yesterday and they said the exact same thing. They just
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  Speaker 2: they like screaming at the TV like, like what, he's
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  Speaker 2: an NFL He's an NFL guard, Like I just it's
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  Speaker 2: it's mind boggling that, you know, well, that's just mind
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  Speaker 2: boggling that that's what they have there. Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you're playing with four you're playing with four and a
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  Speaker 2: half guys, and with with Zabel hurt and sounds like
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  Speaker 2: it won't be season ending.
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  Speaker 3: But Haynes can't be plugged in. There is to be
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  Speaker 3: your left guard.
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  Speaker 2: So let me let me go back to the first one, Hugh,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, you know, we haven't played the game
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  Speaker 2: at a high level. You have, but you know you
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  Speaker 2: do hear this all the time commentators and other people.
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  Speaker 2: Don't throw off your back foot. Don't throw off your
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  Speaker 2: back foot. And on that play. First of all, was
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  Speaker 2: Cooper Cup not held on that play?
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  Speaker 3: I think he was at the very top. I though
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  Speaker 3: it was one of the worst officiated games I've seen
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of time, I'm not sure the way
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  Speaker 3: the way it played out, the the back judge might
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  Speaker 3: have said, I'm not bailing you out because what had
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  Speaker 3: happened is I mean, and this is the thing about
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  Speaker 3: being a professional quarterback. There's a lot going on, and
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  Speaker 3: let me just explain some of it. So, first of all,
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  Speaker 3: the coverage is called Cover one robber. Cover one means
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  Speaker 3: man and man one means there's one free safety in
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  Speaker 3: the middle. But the robber distinction. When you play cover one,
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  Speaker 3: you can rush five and you can have five guys
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  Speaker 3: man and man for the five eligible receivers, and you
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  Speaker 3: can keep a free safety in the post. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's rushing five. If you only rush four, then
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  Speaker 3: that gives you an extra defender. And so what teams
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  Speaker 3: play is a coverage called Robert. It's also called lurk,
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  Speaker 3: it's called rat by some distinctions. And and the safety
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  Speaker 3: you'll you'll show a too high presentation where you're seeing
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  Speaker 3: two safeties. Then one goes deep middle and then kind
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  Speaker 3: of one goes shallow middle. The low hole player. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so he so he's kind of looking up intermediate or
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  Speaker 3: shallow crossing routes and what have you. And so they
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  Speaker 3: play that coverage and and Cooper cup is off to
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  Speaker 3: the left and he's gonna he's gonna he's got a
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  Speaker 3: relatively tight split balls on the right hash he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: take an inside release on what's ultimately going to be
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  Speaker 3: a deep curl. Now, Cooper Cup, if he if he
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  Speaker 3: had free access and the corner was off, I would
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  Speaker 3: say a nineteen yard curl for Cooper Cup in his speed.
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  Speaker 3: That's just way too that's too deep. I would rather
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  Speaker 3: have it at seventeen sixteen to seventeen yards. He got
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  Speaker 3: held up. He was, and he went from the twenty
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  Speaker 3: to thirty nine yards. He got held up. And there's
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  Speaker 3: a term he say, if you're held up shorting up.
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  Speaker 3: I could come back on seventeen and a half yards,
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  Speaker 3: but if you're held up, go fifteen yards like he
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  Speaker 3: was held up. So there's no way he should have
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  Speaker 3: been at nineteen yards. He should have been at fifteen
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  Speaker 3: or sixteen yards at the deepest. And so so you
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  Speaker 3: had that component. You had the component where the tight
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  Speaker 3: ends both in the flat, and then you had Knine
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  Speaker 3: sitting down over the middle. Well against that's a zone checkdown.
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  Speaker 3: This is man and man. So that if you look
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  Speaker 3: at Canine you'd say, well, burst one way or the other.
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  Speaker 3: You can't just stand there. So you've got that part
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  Speaker 3: of it. And then you know we had JSN on
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  Speaker 3: the right side. You said well, where's JSN in all
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  Speaker 3: of this? He was on the right side and he
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  Speaker 3: runs a go route and initially Cam Kitchens had been
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  Speaker 3: the safety of that side, so it looks like the
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  Speaker 3: safety over the top. But but Kitchens then comes down
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  Speaker 3: again to the low hole player. He doesn't really come
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  Speaker 3: super low. It's kind of like the intermediate player. And
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  Speaker 3: he's just kind of reading Donald's eyes. Well, okay, so
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  Speaker 3: what happens with Donald's eyes? He's now he comes off
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  Speaker 3: the cup but with the offensive line. Now your your
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  Speaker 3: son keeper is going to know this in this is
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  Speaker 3: a term that's generally used with an odd front. But
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  Speaker 3: what you would say, you don't want both your guards
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  Speaker 3: to fan out? What does that mean the right guard
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  Speaker 3: and the left guard. If they go, if they widen
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  Speaker 3: and expand away from the ball, that leaves the center
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  Speaker 3: one on one with the nose guard. I'm watching it
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  Speaker 3: right now. That's exactly what happened. Okay, Now that now
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  Speaker 3: was an even front. But but that that that that
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  Speaker 3: axiom that you don't want to have a uh fanning
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  Speaker 3: with both your guards. You'd want to have at least
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  Speaker 3: one guard set in there. But the Zabel, as you
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  Speaker 3: can see, you're watching it. He he he fans out
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  Speaker 3: the termins fan widen out to help Charles Cross with
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Jared Verse. That's what happens when you get guys like
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Jared Verse, who was the Rookie of the Year last year. Defense.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: So now instead of double team and inside with Ola
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: a Timmy who's a better run blocker than a pass blocker,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: and it's his first what second pass of the of
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: the game. Now Ola, Timmy's on an island and he
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: just gets trucked and and so now he's the one
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: that's creating the the space and Darnold has to retreat.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Now they say, well, don't throw off your back foot.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: If if if there was a cup was open and
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: got separation and was coming back to the ball, and
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: if Kinchin's wasn't interceding into the flight path, he had
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: enough velocity that that that that wasn't what killed him
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: that he threw off his back foot, because the they say, okay,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: well what if he would have thrown had had he
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: thrown had a natural weight transfer, it still would have
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: been an interception. So the throwing off the back foot
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: was not the problem. We've seen him and other quarterbacks
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: throw off the back foot it's just like in the
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: context of what and so, so it was Darnold coming back,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: it was it was it was a lousy play for
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: man to man to begin with. It was allowsy with
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: the personnel, and and then moreover again, there's a lot
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: to playing quarterback. I could say this Cooper Cup. You
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: see his split is relatively close. Ye Wells on the
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: right Halse, the safety's on the opposite half, right. So
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: what happens is is Cup when he goes an inside
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: release and he already had a relatively tight alignment, he's
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: going up the field. Well, now the corner was fourteen, right,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: wasn't Kobe. He is playing what's called he's playing outside leverage.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: But that's that's a that's a horizontal distinction outside versus inside.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: But then vertical, what's his vertical dimension. He's playing the
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: low now he can play the low soulder instead of
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the high shoulder. If Cup had been way out by
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: the sideline and he's going vertical, well you wouldn't want
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: to let him inside, but you'd want to be on
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: the high shoulder above him to prevent the go route.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: But when you have when the receiver goes inside like
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Cup did, and you have that much the safety is
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: that close to helping you. Now you go to the
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: low shoulder because you can undercut an inbreaking route. And
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: so this is all stuff Sam Darnold should have been
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: able to recognize and say, hey, it's not worth it, right,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: like just just fold your cards and deal me a
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: new hand on second down and so that like, let's say, okay,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: how are your quarterbacking coaching? Him got his first See
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: what was the problem. Why was cabin Kitchen's able to
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: to read your eyes?
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Look?
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: I wish Olo Timmy hadn't got trucked. Yeah, uh, you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: but but he did. So we have to have an
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: RTP response to pressure. What are we going to do? Well,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: we can't keep eyeball in there and then throw late.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I wish that that Cooper cup was you know, at
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: fifteen yards instead of nineteen, but he didn't. Okay, what's
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: our RTP? Like, we can't just sit eyeball eyeball all
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: knowing that it's eleven robber and that little whole player
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: can run and chase your eyes. So so that you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: we're just breaking down one play. But there's a lot
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: to go into having you know, you know, a successful
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: operation from the quarterback perspective, And I'm just looking at
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: it right now. I mean Barner's covered as well.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Your only option would have been just airmailed over his head,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: you know, like really like that's yeah, and just say,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: like you said, to live to another day, Right, That's
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that's the I.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Always think about the down when I see an interception. Yeah,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: every time I see a pick, like, what was that down?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: If I if it wasn't already in my mind, it's
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: quickly becomes in my mind, you know. Even he then
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Russell Wilson's you know, the most pivotal interception in history.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Second down? Yeah, what are you doing on second? It's
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: second freaking down?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: You know, like the down is key? Let's go the
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: second one again? This there is some pressure, right, that's
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: third and nine.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Third and nine. We talked about the stunts.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Go right, you're playing with four offensive linemen. I mean
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you really are. Yeah, you are right. You're running a
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: spray release.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Ok. Okay, what does that means? So Jackson Smith and
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Jig but he's going to widen as he's getting up
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: the field and he's got his inside foot back and
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: nine percent of receivers that when they run this this
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the third inside step. They do it with the inside
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: step forward at the line of scrimmage and the outside
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: leg back. That that allows it to be a six
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: route instead of a seventh step route. And that timing is,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: as you probably know, is very key, right, And so
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I don't like the seventh step. I don't like the
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: seventh step, particularly when you're gonna get you know, in
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: the case in this case with pressure, the corner he
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: can sit there and he can squad on that he's
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: waiting on it, yeah, because he and and if you
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: do a sixth step, you just you're you're running in
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: front of him a little earlier and the corner has
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: to honor the deep route. So at an event, I
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: don't like. I don't like the philosophy of the seventh step.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: And you know, you see that Darnald pauses, just perceptible
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: pause instead of putting his back foot, and then the
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: whole rhythm goes. You're you're trying to kinetic energy, you're
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: trying to transfer your weight is going back away from
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: lionet scrimmage. Your right foot hits and then you transfer
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: it for it. It's almost like a trampoline. You like,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: you can it's easier to transfer that energy, but he
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: has to stop because he's waiting on that extra tick
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: of a second. So if I was advising these guys,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: I said, well, what purpose are we achieving by going
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: seven steps? Virtually nobody else does this, and there's a
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: lot of things that can cause problems. So so, but
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: he still has got to see. You know, I can't
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: tell you the corner he that was a hell of
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: a transition by that corner. By the way, he was
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: knees in, started to bail, then then turned his hips
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: rotated back in. Nick Saban has all these theories that
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: he teaches his corners to turn his back and roll
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: out because it's an easier transition. Well, if you're arguing
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: against Nick Saban, you'd say, well, how about that transition
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: that corner. That was a hell of a play. But
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: you know, if you're from the Seattle perspective, he still
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: has got to see that squatting. It's third nine at
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the minus thirty six. The score is nine fourteen to nine.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: And now he got smoked by on that. I mean,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: he took it in the freaking Adams Apple and and
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the NFL tracked it at two point one seconds. That's
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: really bad protection. And it's the person of Anthony Bradford.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: We have you had Lucas charbon A and then Bradford
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: goes over to help those two guys.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: And then the Sharbonne provided no help. No, but I
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: mean it's it was getting whipside, didn't he Yeah he did.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I mean there's a three on one and then and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: then the guy, the guy comes through that Bradford's guy
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: right comes through and just smashes Bradford and there you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Darnald along the way. Let me let me wrap up
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the Darnald talk with this you and then we'll move
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: on to some other things.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Just well, we have two more interceptions. But do we
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: want to get to him? I'm nauseated right now.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, fine, let me summarize it by this. I think
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: as you, and this is why we like to do
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: hardcore football. Like, not all interceptions are the same. Not
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: all interceptions are one hundred percent the quarterback or one
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: hundred percent a receiver off his hands, what have you.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: It's still a team game of loving guys. But you're
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: in the meeting room today and you're going through the
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: two we just did in the other four. I love
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the minus minus world that we live in, like and
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I love when you give me some grades. Are those
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: minuses minus double minuses? And is it a group in
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: collective effort because it sounds like it is the former
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: or the ladder rather.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, all four of them are double minuses. Okay,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Now that doesn't mean that other people on the the uh,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: on the field didn't get minuses. Right if I was,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: if I was graating Cooper Cup on that first one,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I'd absolutely get a minus and and some some people
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: if if if it results in the interception, uh, you
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: know it, it's that that would be a possible double
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: minus on Cooper Cup. I think that if I'm the
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: head coach and I would just say, well, we we
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: that that was a bad that was a bad route
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: for that coverage, like they got us on that one. Yeah,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: and that Chris Sula, you know, I mean the Rams
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: are that they are extremely well coached, They're fast, they're
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: rest of they hunt, you know, they play out a position,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: but they can cover for themselves. They got a hell
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: of a defense. There were number two in the NFL
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: coming in the game points allowed right and number two
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: and a lot of others. The third down conversions number
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: one in the in UH fewest yards after after a
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: reception on the yak like like, this is a this
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: is a big time defense. And we we we talk
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: so much about about Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay and
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: and and this defense. You just every time I throw
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: on the tape, I studied them hard in the UH
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: against the Colts for the thirty thirteen presentation on Danis
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Snyder and Dana Snyder I'm sorry, Daniel Jones, and so yeah,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: every time I studied them hard in the Viking playoff game.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Every time I really put my my eyes on this defense,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I go, oh my god. They are just good in
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: every way, every way at all levels. Well coached ballers,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: you know, nasty baller and so yeah, it's it's tough.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I want to ask you about.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And I love the insight to get, you know, in
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: a huddle on a sideline with a headset on and
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: what's going on. You know, you and coach homgrenna give
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: us that insight that nobody else in the market has
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: because you've been there as a quarterback and a play caller.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I last I checked, I haven't called plays in the NFL. Hugh,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: it's been a while, but I don't think I ever have,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: so I can't speak to this. I haven't play quarterback,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: but man, oh man, and help me out here. It
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: sure feels as if and there's got to be a balance.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: There was a lack of true urgency, especially in that
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: last drive. And listen, the guy hits a hole in
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: one with a punt like that punt that ball on
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: a hundred times. You don't bounce it out where you
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: did it just they got frankly lucky on that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: So you start the one, not the twenty.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: But nevertheless, that's where you're at, and you've got to
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: go probably sixty five minimum yards to have a legitimate shot,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: not a sixty one yarder, but what have you. But
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: they get the ball with one four one left, and Hugh,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: for the life of me, it just feels like there
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: was way too much time between plays, way too much time,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: like just a lack of sense of urgency. Did you
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: see that or am I just am I just out
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: to lunch there?
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I saw that. I agree with you, and I think
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: that in the very next neighbor the next door neighbor universe,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: that ball went into the end zone for a touchback
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: and the Seahawks won that game. I believe that. I
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: think there's a greater than fifty percent chance if that
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: thing's a touch back, Seattle wins that game. Now that's
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: just you know, coffee and beer talk. But yeah, what
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: did al Michael's once he sprung it on us. They
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: they are lacking, they are not playing with alacrity. Didn't
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: he say that regarding a team that was lolly gallery bagging,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: you know, in a two minute situation. Yeah, I thought
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: that they should have been fascinating. You know, it's it's
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: for Clint Kubiak. He's trying to get into the perfect play.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: He's trying to read the coverage a little bit in
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: the old days, not long ago, before the Green not
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: you know, it was the quarterback right that called it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: You know, he just up and go and uh and
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you're more likely to just get into a generic formation,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: just go as opposed to you know, let's get into
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: these bumps formations and and even motions you know, like
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: whoa no, no, no, no. So I agree with you. Yeah,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I think I think that.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Hurt what and what is and what is what is
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: in that situation because I was just I mentioned this
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to Mark to Mark James beforehand, and that's why I said,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you this because you know, everyone's like
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: he was blaming Donald and others are like Donald's not
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: doing a sense of urgency. To me, it's it's an
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: operation from offensive coordinator to the quarterback. Gotta everybody aligned.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: But the quarterback, like you said, it used to be
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: he would make those calls. Now it's coming through the
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: green dot through the helmet and you're maybe you're waiting
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: for the call to come.
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I would think you have the ability to say, you
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: know when even look at the sideline and see McDonald
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: like let's go, like, let's hurry up. We've see coaches
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: do that all the time, right, and it just feels
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: like the entire operation was working a little slow, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: as turned out, my god, you needed you needed ten
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: more seconds.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: In my experience, the quarterback is always ready to go always.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: That's an absolute term. But I'm gonna say, you know
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: so maybe nearly always, but that you've the component. The
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: variables are this, what what's the speed? How fast did
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: the coach get the play to the quarterback with how
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: many seconds? How complex is the play? And the form
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: the formation, and then what's the hustle of the receivers.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Those are the components that that are are beyond the cue.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Quarterbacks control, right, and and and you see breaches in
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: all three of those. That's why I mentioned them, right,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: But the quarterback is never the guy that's holding up
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: the operation.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Never.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's got plays got to come in faster,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: They got to be more just basic, you know, like hey, boom,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: line up our bread and butter plays and and uh
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: and and the receivers have got to be a little
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: bit faster trying to get set. But it's more on
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Clint Kubiak than anybody in my opinion.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: And I mean it's amazing too, because the twenty yards
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: on a non touchback or a little more sense of hell,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: you can make the argument a sense of urgency in
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the series before where the scored a touchdown, right, you
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: needed ten or fifteen more seconds. And I think in that,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: as you said, the alternate universe, ten or fifteen more seconds,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: they probably win that football game.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty more yards, I mean, and this may interest you.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: I did the quick research, so I'm gonna just say
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: it so that in the entire history of the NFL,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: there have been forty six field goals of sixty or
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: more yards. Forty two of the forty six have been
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: since two thousand and six. There's been twenty four since
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. More than half have come just since
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty and seven have been in this season alone. Yeah,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: and we went from nineteen seventy the first sixty yard
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: or that's the Tom Dempsey half of fot kick. Yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: we that didn't get broken until twenty thirteen. That that's
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: forty three years and then we've seen this this barrage,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: like honestly, the evolution of kickers. They are improving faster
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: than any other position on the football field. It's crazy
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: what these guys are doing. And by the way, you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Myers hit a fifty seven yarder in the game, used
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: to be like fifty seven yarders, I mean that would
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: lead the news, you know, and and so in any event,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: it was just you know, just not quite close enough.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: No, I think I used to when I was at
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the stadiums, especially Rosie, I'd watch those guys all the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: time to see what they can hit. And so and
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: they have a spoted doing it for TV. They said
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: he had hit a sixty yarder in warm ups. I've
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: watched him. I've watched a lot of Jason Myers that
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: is very much at his limit, like like he doesn't
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: have the cam little leg. He just doesn't. So they
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: put him, they put him in a tough situation. I
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: saw a great analogy I think is my buddy Alex
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Keitha said, that's like me standing on the t box
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: of a five hundred and seventy five yard par five
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: and thinking, I just got to give it everything I got.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: You know, we end up doing towing it and it
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: goes on I like thirty five yards. They're not in
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that game without his field goals before that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Let's so yeah, I'm not going you know, And if
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: we were better in the red zone, he.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Hadn't let me do this. I want to take a
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: quick break. Want to come back. We got to talk.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: We got some bouquets. As my friend Hugh Millan would
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: say at the Seahawk defense, they're pretty good yesterday, Hugh,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: They're pretty damn good. We'll talk about that next.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 33:38
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  Speaker 2: FM Hardcore Football fumail and continues. All right, So, just
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: the numbers looked like this, two for eleven on third
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: down they gained two hundred and forty nine net yards,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: and I believe after halftime it was less than one
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty yards right of offense in the second half.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I mean it was maybe in the final three quarters.
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: Hugh.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Like the Sam Donald stuff for the interceptions, all that's there.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: But to me, the story of this game is what
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the Seattle defense did against Matthew Stafford.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: It is and I think it's beyond just yesterday. I
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: think it speaks for those of us who have really been,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: you know, proponents of Mike McDonald, the higher the philosophy
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: behind the hire that hey bring in a brilliant guy.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I as a Seahawk fan, I could not be more
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: happy with Mike McDonald who he is, the person. If
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: that matters, it matters to me, but most especially just
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: his defensive mind, his vision of how to play NFL defense,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: his ability you know, not too much, not too little content,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: it's it's it's damn complex, but just on the edge
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: that guys don't play slow. The adjustments that he makes
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: seemingly week after week, it seems like there their first
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: drive defensively is always their seemingly their worst, and they
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: just button things up. And you mentioned Matthew Stafford. I
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: mean Matthew Stafford has gone against Mike McDonald as a
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Seahot coach now for two games, and in the last
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: two years he's gone against twenty coaches, So Mike McDonald
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: be one of those twenty coaches. Here's the rankings of
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: his stats against those other coaches. Some of those coaches
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: are one game in summer too, so completion percentage Stafford
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: against Mike McDonald of the Seahawks dead last, under fifty
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: four per yards per attempt five point one yards per
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: attempt in two games against Mike McDonald, dead last. That's
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: twentieth out of twenty uh yards per game one hundred
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: and seventy four. That's eighteenth out of twenty. Passer rating
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: seventy six passer rate seventy six passer rating. MS is
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: a guy that is is in almost any split you see,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: he's a triple digit guy. Well against Mike McDonald's a
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: seventy six. That's nineteenth out of twenty third down conversions.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: He's under sixteen percent on third down conversions fifteen point
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: eight percent, eighteenth out of twenty. And the only one
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: that got him was Aaron Pierce Antonio Pearson. Excuse me.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: He must have had a bad game against the Raiders.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: But in any event, yeah, I mean the numbers are there.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: You saw, you saw the complete grinding to a total.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: It was like it was like a tank in World
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: War One and like a four foot of mud. That
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: offense just like after the first quarter, they made some adjustments.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Ernest Jones was out of his gap on a couple
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: of thirty plus yard runs, one on it with a
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: lead blocker where he should have had the inside gap
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: on the B gap, and then on a stretch play
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: he needed the tackle as a bubble. What Keifer would
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: tell you that it was no defensive lineman he's gonna
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: come up. That offensive tackle is gonna come up to
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: the second level. Ernst Jones had to fight over the
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: top of that. He didn't. And then he had Kobe
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Bryant on Both those have bad tackles, all right. So
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: he had two two thirty yard runs in the UH
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: in the first quarter and then those tight end screens
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: and then from that point on, I think that I
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: think that their uh, who's their number one running back?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: He had he had fifteen yards the rest of the
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: in quarters two, three and four. I think it was
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: he was he was. He was like two point four
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: yards per tempt in quarters two, three and four. So
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: that ability to make the adjustment to make it life
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: rough on a on a on a Hall of Fame
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: quarterback who's having an MVP year and to just you know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: make him look like a August preseason quarterback. No, this
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald's he's something. I'm all in on him, and
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I think I think all of us aren't, right, I mean,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: and who's got their hand up that doesn't like Mike
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: McDonald No, I mean, I don't know. I think you
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: have to. I think you have to be all in
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: on them.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just like, like there's a I think
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: that I think when you get a great game, you know,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and I think in I mean, the outcome wasn't what
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Seahawk fans wanted, but I mean it was an absolute,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: like we started this thing off today, he just said
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: it was like a heavyweight title fight.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: It was just a slug fest.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It was just back and forth twenty one to nineteen,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and you know, I mean there was ebbs and flows
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: fourteen to three, and you're like, oh, the Seahawks are
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: in trouble. You know, they get the only points of
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: the second quarter and a couple of field goals and
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's close. And you know, then
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you force you know, the two key three and outs,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: you know, or you forced three straight punts after the
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: touchdown following interception number three. I mean, back and forth
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: they went. And you know, Hugh like, I'll just wrap
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: it up with this real quick. Watching like say, Sunday
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Night Football yesterday and watching the Eagles.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: And the Lions.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Lions offense without Ben Johnson doesn't look as good obviously.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I mean it's just different. We know, and we know
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: what a coordinator, what a different coordinator can make here.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: We know that very well. That does look good. Jalen
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Hurts is on the same page with his top two receivers,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, they look like they're and
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley is averaging less than four yards of carry
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: this year. Like I'm looking around the league, saying, I'm
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: still not sure if the two best teams in the NFC,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: maybe two of the top four teams in the NFL,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: but to the top teams of the NFC, I think
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: they played yesterday at SOFI Stadium.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I think that could well be the case. I think
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: that until we see Sam Darnold, this is gonna be
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: a long month for him.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: Yes it is.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: And it's almost like there's nothing he can do until
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: he gets back on that horse and he faces the
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: rams and he delivers. This is gonna be Unfortunately, there's
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: a millstone that nobody ever wants. I feel for the guy.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I like him. I think that he can. He that
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: he can. He can move forward and and and find
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: another big game and uh, you know, uh not be
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: a Steve Sacks. I guess that's to to uh arcane
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: of a reference, right.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: But Steve, for those who don't know, Steve Sacks couldn't
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: throw the ball from that second block, wasn't it.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Well, Steve Sacks was the.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Second basement from the Dodgers that that was an all
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: star level second basement. Something happened and all of a
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: sudden he couldn't throw the first base and and he
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: could never I mean he saw shrinks and and he
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: essentially ruined his career did not from second base, and
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: so so so here, okay, what would why did I
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: use that analogy? I really don't think Sam Darnold is
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: going to go into the tank on this. No, but
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: now this is what what the the narrative is going
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: to be. There's three straight big games against the Lions
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: last year in Week eighteen, and then the playoff game
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: against the Rams, and then in this round that people
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: are gonna say the last three big games he's played,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: it has not gone well. And so until he does
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: play well in a big game, you know he's gonna
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: have to shake that. My friend Gray stuff.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: As always, I think you're on later on today more
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: at four with the Softy, So we'll hear from you
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: then at four o'clock today. But the meantime, thanks all. Then,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it, man, thanks you. Okay, there that is
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Humil and joining us. We're gonna take quick break, we'll
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: come back, Mike sand We're gonna squeeze. We're gonna do
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: a super segment here coming up. We're gonna get a
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Mike Sando and Chris Crawford in all in one segment
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: coming up next.
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  Speaker 3: Now with Mike Sando.
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• 43:09
  Speaker 2: We got, of course, the pick six column. I'm gonna
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna read the headline here. Mike Sando says, the
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Rams exposed Sam Darnold again. Will he sink the Seahawks
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Pick six well, that was the story yesterday, Mike. But
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: before I get to Sam Darnold, you wrote about Kenny
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Easley today and I thought it was awesome because I
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: spent a long time since Kenny Easily dawned a Seahawks uniform.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: But before there was Cam Chancellor and the Legion of Doom,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: there was a guy wearing number forty five patrolling the
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: secondary for the Seahawks in the NFL with a very
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: unfortunately short career of only seven years. But when people
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: say to you, Mike Sanduel, and I think you might
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: have been involved right with his Hall of Fame stuff
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: when that was going down a few years ago. When
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: they say Kenny Easily, what do you tell people.
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: Well, I think he was a transformational figure on defense
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: in the NFL in the early eighties. I sort of
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: group him, you know, with Lawrence Taylor in the Ronney
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: Lots I think Ronie Lots said it well that at
• 44:02
  Speaker 9: that time you were starting to get some of the
• 44:06
  Speaker 9: best athletes to be on defense. I think the defense
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: has always been about hitting, and so there's always been
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: big hitters in football, especially when they let you hit more,
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: you know, But back then there was a lot of
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: big hitters, but they couldn't run. They weren't as athletic
• 44:20
  Speaker 9: as some of the best guys on offense. And I
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: think that Kenny Easley packaged all of that together where
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: he had the you know, the every bit the tenacity
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: of a Lawrence Taylor, but also had the ability to
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: you know, run with wide receivers to some extent, a
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: great athlete who you know, he was a punt returner
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: for the Seahawks when they had injuries at that position.
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: So how many of the most feared hitters in the
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: league could average twelve yards of punt return right or
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: you know, It's just a kind of a unique combination.
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: I think a great athlete among great athletes.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe people were afraid to tackle him. Yeah, yeah, I'm good. Yeah,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: it was something else.
• 45:09
  Speaker 9: And you can kind of see back then too, you know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: they wore the bigger shoulder.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: Pads because they really did they did hit, but.
• 45:14
  Speaker 9: It almost highlighted just how like narrow his waist was
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: and just how athletic he was. I mean, just really
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: as good of an athlete that's played the safety position
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: in ANFL history.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Mike Sander joining us from the athletic pick six calm,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I want people to read the pick six calms, so
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I won't go too far into it. So I'll just
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: ask you just you talk to people about the Seahawks
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Rams and the Darnold performance yesterday. General takeaways from that
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: game and from Sam.
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, pretty good for the Seahawks. Amazing to be
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: able to be, you know, lining up a potential winning
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: field goal in a game like that. I think, you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: both defenses really dominated. Just what stood out was the
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: fact that you know, the Rams were turnover reliant on it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: So in some ways you could say the Seahaws defense
• 45:57
  Speaker 9: was almost more impressive. But those turnovers are a real thing.
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: And now Sham Darnold has ten interceptions on the season,
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: so he's gonna have to wait till the next big
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: game to prove that it's not a thing for him,
• 46:09
  Speaker 9: because you know, there's different types of interceptions. Sometimes you're
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: going to throw a couple, but when you have four
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: and they're hurried up and they you know, you look
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: a little jittery, and you had some of the history
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: he's had, you know, I think it's I think it's
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: concerning until it's not. So, you know, still a good team,
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: still one of the best teams in the league. I
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: think still can go deep, but you know he's got
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: to do better in those moments. You can't be the reason,
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: the primary reason. The game's laws.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hugh Millan brought it up a minute ago. It's it's,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you know, the next few weeks or one thing. But
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: what matters more than anything for Sam Darnld is the
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: rematch for these teams. Like he's got to find a
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: way to bounce back in that game. It's yeah, right,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the game that matters. That game
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: on I think it's December eighteenth. It is a Thursday
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: night game and both teams are coming off a big game.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: The sex are coming off of Colts game and the
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Rams haven't better. I can't remember who they're playing, but
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: they have a big game that previous week too, so
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a short It's one Seattle's got
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: to get.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: You think they would at.
• 47:03
  Speaker 9: Home with the Rims having to travel in a short week.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Mike Santa joining us from the athletic. I brought this
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: up to Hugh earlier. You know, one of the things,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: and you wrote about today that's interesting. You look around
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the league and like what's going on with Ben Johnson
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: and what's going on and frankly, not just Ben Johnson,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: but Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson that relationship and Kevin O'Connell,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy and so on and so forth. Coaching matters,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: But let's just talk Ben Johnson and Caleb for a second.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: And Caleb Williams. What is about that that isn't working
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: right now?
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 47:38
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean I think that. I mean, I don't
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: know if it's not working. I mean, I think the
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: issue is that Caleb Williams, you know, wants to hold
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: the ball and I'm still learning how to play within
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: the structure of the offense and most of his good
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: plays are out schedule. Well that's true, you're going to
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: be inconsistent. So but I think he's better than he
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: was last season. And I think Ben Johnson's a good
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: match for him because Ben Johnson is all about account
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: of and I think that's what Kaller Williams needs. He
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: needs no escape doors and so, you know, I think
• 48:05
  Speaker 9: Ben Johnson can help get the most out of him.
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: But I think in the meantime it's frustrating because he's
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: used to having a little bit more of a controllable
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: or predictable player at the quarterback position. And when you
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: have that, then you can, you know, you can scheme differently,
• 48:19
  Speaker 9: you can build and grow your offense in a more
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: linear way. So I think that's the frustration there is,
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: just it's taking it going to take a while, if
• 48:28
  Speaker 9: at all, you know, for Kleb Williams to play more
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: within the system.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I love the Mike Sando indexes. Can you explain to
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: me the betrayal index, because I think that might be
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: the best name you have for any of them, to
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: be honest with you.
• 48:40
  Speaker 9: So, yeah, betrayal index is basically, hey, if you're a
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: really good quarterback doing a great job, but you're having
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: a hard time winning because the things you don't control, defense,
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: special teams are especially bad, you are betrayed. You're one
• 48:50
  Speaker 9: of the most betrayed guys. So you know in history,
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: you know, Tony Romo was one of those guys. Drew
• 48:56
  Speaker 9: Brees certainly had great offense but bad defense. And the
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: years when he would throw over five thousand yards and
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: they would be seven and nine in New Orleans. That
• 49:03
  Speaker 9: happened multiple years in a row. So that's where the
• 49:06
  Speaker 9: betrayalal necks came from and this year, for most of
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: this year, Dak Prescott has kind of been that guy,
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: but Josh Allen is now right there with them. Six
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: touchdowns yesterday, But the defense of the Bills and special
• 49:17
  Speaker 9: teams for that matter, are not very good. So the
• 49:19
  Speaker 9: difference between how good he is on offense and how
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: less good or bad the Bills are in defense special
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: teams makes him the most betrayed quarterback in the league,
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: tied with Dak Prescott.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: It's a good go check the call him out because
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: the graphics have got it remarkable and you look at
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: some of those guys on that Okay, I've got to
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: ask you about what you wrote about the Chiefs and
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: it makes sense statistically, but then you look at the
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: standings in it doesn't. And the standings have the Chiefs
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: on the night as a nine seed, and just for reference,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: seven teams make the playoffs in each conference, so they're
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: outside looking in at five and five. But in some ways,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: are the Chiefs in twenty twenty five a better football team?
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: Mike, Well, yes, they are statistically a better team. I
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: think last year they were so unusual and winning all
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: the close games. They were eleven and zero and games
• 50:05
  Speaker 9: just scored by you know, decided by one score or
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: that's they're zero to five this year. So to me,
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: they got the absolute best possible record out of how
• 50:13
  Speaker 9: they played last year, and they're probably getting the worst
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: record of how they played this year. So, you know,
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: sometimes you play well and lose, sometimes you play poorly
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: and win. I think they've played well and lost more
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: this year.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Would the Denver Broncos be the opposite of that.
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Denver's totally the opposite of that. I
• 50:30
  Speaker 9: think they have warts on offense, and some of the
• 50:33
  Speaker 9: tough questions that are being asked about quarterbacks are in
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: the league are not being asked about them as loudly
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: because they just win every week. Good for them. I
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: just don't think it's sustainable. But it's eight in a row.
• 50:41
  Speaker 9: That's pretty that's pretty hard to argue with.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's we were talking.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just looking around and I think you and I
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: had this conversation last week. It feels as if there's
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: no true super team. You know, like the last few
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: years the AFC's had, you know, say a buffalo in
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: a Kansasy kind of felt like head and shoulders above everybody's.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia feeling head and shoulders above everybody else. You know,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Philly is eight and two and the Rams are eight
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: and two. But watching Philadelphia last night, Mike, they don't
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: feel head and shoulders above the rest of the NFC.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: The Rams, I mean, as great as they've been, Seattle's
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: defense kind of shut them down in the second half,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: and it feels as if there is no sight that juggernaut.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know what Vegas says in terms of who
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: the odds on favorite is, but this, to me is
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: enjoyable football. Maybe Pete Roselle's it's not quite Pete Roselle's
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Everybody needs to be eight and eight the parody world
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: that he wanted, but it's it's still an enjoyable season
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: because you just don't know what to expect.
• 51:35
  Speaker 9: I agree, I think. I think if you are one
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: of those teams that's good, not great, you feel like
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: you have a chance to have a great season and
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: you might be able to go all the way. So
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: there's not the feeling of the same type of roadblock.
• 51:46
  Speaker 9: There's no team that has that sort of mystique like
• 51:49
  Speaker 9: the Chiefs kind of had it last year until the
• 51:51
  Speaker 9: Super Bowl.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: All right, my friend, I want people to go check
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: it out the Pick six column. It's in The Athletic,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Theathletic dot com. You also wrote about should do were
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Sanders and his NFL debut yesterday as well? Statistically not
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: the greatest day in the world, but I think maybe
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: in his defense, he hasn't seen a lot of time
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: with that one offense along the way, uh, with the
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: with the Cleveland Brown. So go check out what Mike wrote.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Lots of stuff on the Seahawks and the Rams yesterday
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: as well in that Pick six column. Thank you, my friend,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you. There you go, Mike Sando joining us here
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: on the Beacon plenty hotline. We're squeezing a couple things
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: in today. We just have a get with it with
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: the josh nealan Is. I wanted to get a little
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: bit on Naylor after all of our Seahawk coverage.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Oh what's that sound?
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: I like that?
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, and joining us on the Beacon Pummy hotline. It's
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: only been a couple of weeks, but we've missed him mightily.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Our good friend Christopher Crawford, one half of them molliwops
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: locked on Mariners postcast all things Mariners with us mile. Why, hello, sir,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: how are you?
• 52:52
  Speaker 10: I was doing better before I heard squeezed in. Now
• 52:55
  Speaker 10: I'm kind of feeling a little uh lit, little coster.
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, little claustophobic.
• 53:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I kind of feel like I'm being put in
• 53:03
  Speaker 10: one of the iHeart closets a little bit.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: But that's okay, That's what we do, so trust me.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: It's part of the initiation process. Yes, Andrews knows that well.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: All right, So the news breaks yesterday we got this
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: whole like what the hell Seahawks rams NFL Sunday blah
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: blah blah, and all of a sudden late afternoon, Hey,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Jeff Passon, you want a little piece of us on
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: a Sunday there from our ESPN Baseball insider, you want
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: a little piece of us and lo and behold before
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: it even gets to the market, Josh Naylor looks like
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: he's not official yet. They got to do the physical
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. But while all accounts, he's coming
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: back to Seattle. Chris, what does this mean?
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: It means a lot.
• 53:37
  Speaker 10: And shout out to my buddy Anders for making that
• 53:40
  Speaker 10: Seahawk game hurt less because he broke it while we
• 53:42
  Speaker 10: were doing the game.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: Recap.
• 53:44
  Speaker 10: I appreciate him so much all the time, but I
• 53:46
  Speaker 10: appreciated that one especially. This is just fantastic, and I
• 53:51
  Speaker 10: think honestly, Anders hit the nail on the head when
• 53:53
  Speaker 10: we were talking about it too, that it just says
• 53:57
  Speaker 10: a lot about what is happening going for and I'm
• 54:00
  Speaker 10: hoping this is true anyway. I think just getting this
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: done and having this wrapped up just says so much
• 54:09
  Speaker 10: about what they think of this team going forward, because
• 54:13
  Speaker 10: they're not going to be complacent.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: This was not good enough. Being eight outs.
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: Away from doing something special wasn't the ultimate goal, and
• 54:21
  Speaker 10: of course it isn't, but it's nice to see them
• 54:24
  Speaker 10: back that up with this type of thing, to get
• 54:26
  Speaker 10: the guy who not only meant so much to them
• 54:29
  Speaker 10: in terms of production, you could just feel the change
• 54:33
  Speaker 10: in the clubhouse when they got that guy as well,
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: even as a guy who is definitely not allowed within
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: five hundred yards of that clubhouse, you could tell that
• 54:42
  Speaker 10: the difference between what this team looked like and how
• 54:46
  Speaker 10: this team just came together for that final two months
• 54:50
  Speaker 10: and then for those wonderful twelve games. I wish it
• 54:53
  Speaker 10: was more in the postseason. I just think it says
• 54:56
  Speaker 10: so much about going forward. It certainly helps to see
• 55:00
  Speaker 10: Mariners in terms of what they have offensively, it helps
• 55:03
  Speaker 10: them defensively, and we all know the elite makes shrending
• 55:06
  Speaker 10: as well from Josh Snaylor. But it's just one of
• 55:09
  Speaker 10: those things that it says so much. It is actions
• 55:15
  Speaker 10: being put into place that we just haven't seen from
• 55:18
  Speaker 10: the Seattle Mariners, and I love it.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Chris Crawford joining us here from a purely listen playoffs,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: end of the season, all those things from a purely
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: baseball standpoint. With Josh Naylor, he was in Seattle for
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: fifty four games, and those fifty four games hitting two
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: ninety nine, three forty one four nine eight, thirty one
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: ops one thirty eight ops plus again remember one hundreds
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: good he's at one thirty eight along the way he had.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, the remarkable thing was the stolen bases that
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Chris was joking about, but it's true he had nineteen
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: with Seattle, which is nuts, nine home runs and thirty
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: three RBIs in those fifty four games. What are they
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: really getting with this guy over the course of an
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: entire season.
• 56:03
  Speaker 10: Just a very solid baseball player, a guy who you know,
• 56:08
  Speaker 10: you take a look at him. He's a triple B.
• 56:09
  Speaker 10: He's a big beefy boy, but he's not. The power
• 56:12
  Speaker 10: tool is not his best tool. His best tool is
• 56:14
  Speaker 10: his hit tool, because even though this guy swings at
• 56:17
  Speaker 10: pitches outside of the strike zone all the time, he
• 56:20
  Speaker 10: just doesn't strike out. He was one of the very
• 56:23
  Speaker 10: best in baseball in strikeout rate last year. He uses
• 56:27
  Speaker 10: the entire field. He makes pitchers work like crazy because
• 56:31
  Speaker 10: he fouls off so many pitches. How many ten plus
• 56:35
  Speaker 10: bitches did we see from Josh Neander or at least
• 56:38
  Speaker 10: it sure seemed like a hell of a lot, because
• 56:40
  Speaker 10: the guy just fouls off anything until you finally make
• 56:43
  Speaker 10: a mistake. He is a solid defensive player. The stolen
• 56:48
  Speaker 10: based thing is an interesting one. I don't think you're
• 56:50
  Speaker 10: going to see that again because I think you're going
• 56:52
  Speaker 10: to see teams start paying attention to him. But great,
• 56:55
  Speaker 10: that's awesome because if you do that, then you open
• 56:58
  Speaker 10: holes for your defense as well, because you have to
• 57:00
  Speaker 10: hold on a guy more than you typically would and
• 57:03
  Speaker 10: pitcher's paying more attention. You know, losing focus having to
• 57:06
  Speaker 10: throw strikes to other guys is not a bad thing whatsoever.
• 57:09
  Speaker 10: The fact that Joss Mayler is going to make pitchers
• 57:12
  Speaker 10: think when he's on the basis is not something anyone
• 57:15
  Speaker 10: could have anticipated. He is not an elite hitter, He
• 57:18
  Speaker 10: is not an elite anything. But he's a very solid player.
• 57:22
  Speaker 10: And I think the best part about this is the
• 57:24
  Speaker 10: Seattle Mariners don't need just Niler to be an elite player.
• 57:27
  Speaker 10: They already have two. They have two upper echelon players
• 57:31
  Speaker 10: in Cal Rawly.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: And Julio Rodriguez.
• 57:33
  Speaker 10: Then they have a very good player like Josh Naylor
• 57:36
  Speaker 10: and some other really good players as well. Obviously you
• 57:39
  Speaker 10: don't get to the postseason without them. But that's what
• 57:41
  Speaker 10: just Naylor is. He's just a very solid three to
• 57:45
  Speaker 10: four win player and there's no reason to think he
• 57:48
  Speaker 10: shouldn't be that for the next couple of years. Is
• 57:51
  Speaker 10: there a chance this contract ends poorly? Oh, my goodness, gracious, Yes,
• 57:54
  Speaker 10: the players of Josh Nailer's build and skill set typically
• 57:59
  Speaker 10: do not a terrifically But that's a long time from now.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: That's something to worry about.
• 58:05
  Speaker 10: And we all know how contract age. I mean, that's
• 58:08
  Speaker 10: why Ian scientiated a big deal in iHeart. He knows
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: how those contracts that age. We just know how it
• 58:13
  Speaker 10: goes that money is not going to be the same
• 58:16
  Speaker 10: thing in twenty thirty two or whatever it is that
• 58:19
  Speaker 10: it is in twenty twenty five. So yes, there is
• 58:22
  Speaker 10: a chance that Josh Naylor is not a great player
• 58:24
  Speaker 10: by the end of that contract. But Josh Naylor is
• 58:27
  Speaker 10: really important for twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, when
• 58:30
  Speaker 10: this team has an incredibly important window, A very very
• 58:34
  Speaker 10: solid baseball player who fans obviously just loved it.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only twenty eight years old. Turns twenty nine
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: next June, so yeah, I mean it's he's still relatively young.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: I think two things won Chris just what it says.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: It's just the message being sent. How do you change
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: the narrative? How do you change how people perceive you
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: as an organization? Well by not screwing around, by just
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: going out and getting this thing done. That goes a
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: long way in that and that's certainly huge. Let me,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I'll wrap it up with this. It'll become official soon.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Next step. Is Polanco the next priority or not?
• 59:08
  Speaker 10: I think he should be. I don't necessarily know for
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: one hundred percent sure that he is, but he certainly
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: should be, just in part because you know, I'm not
• 59:16
  Speaker 10: worried about John Stanton's money.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying anything like that, but.
• 59:20
  Speaker 10: I do think the fact that Jorge Polanco, as good
• 59:23
  Speaker 10: as he was, is not going to be looking at
• 59:25
  Speaker 10: a contract like Josh Naylors. He's not going to be
• 59:27
  Speaker 10: the Kyle Tucker Kyle Swerbert type of guy. You're looking
• 59:30
  Speaker 10: at a couple of years for twenty five to thirty million,
• 59:35
  Speaker 10: maybe even a little bit under that. That should be easy.
• 59:38
  Speaker 10: And clearly Polonko likes playing here. He would not have
• 59:40
  Speaker 10: come back here if he hated being with the Seattle Meritters.
• 59:44
  Speaker 10: I know the options weren't great, but there were some
• 59:46
  Speaker 10: other options there. Go get Polanko done, make him here
• 59:50
  Speaker 10: designated hitter who plays a little bit of second base
• 59:52
  Speaker 10: here and there. Jorge Polanco should be the priority. As
• 59:56
  Speaker 10: much as I love Gino Suarez, you have to, I think,
• 59:59
  Speaker 10: get Polanco done before he gets Ware's done.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a heck of a start to the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: off season, though, is it not. I mean, it's a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: heck of a start to your off season when you
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: can make those.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 10: A better start, no, And that you can't make a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 10: better start no. And the fact that they have gotten
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 10: this done so quickly. Also gives the potal a chance
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: to kind of like, Okay, I have this done now.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: I don't have to worry about the corner infield position
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 10: I have or excuse me, the first base position.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: I have that done.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 10: Now I can work on Polanco. Now I can work
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 10: on Suarez if he's willing to do more of a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 10: team friendly thing to come back. I kind of doubt it,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 10: but this is huge, and it gives them so much
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 10: ammunition to play with, and it just makes them so
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 10: much better for the twenty twenty six season.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: I'd wrap it up with this, Chris.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: It seems like it also sends a message that a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: guy like nail Or didn't even waste an eat. Now, listen,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: none of us are naive enough to understand that his
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: agent didn't understand what the market was.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: They knew what the market was, but the fact is,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: before he officially got out on the open market. Does
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: say something that the guy wanted to stay here in Seattle,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: and that hasn't always been the case. I know this
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: sounds weird mirror fans. After this great year we just
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: had here that has Chris helped me out. That hasn't
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: always been the case, right, Uh.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very very much though, And it was you know,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: there's something to be said about how comfortable.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 10: He feels, and he's mentioned it a lot, that how
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: comfortable and how well he sees the ball at this
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 10: home ballpark, and that matters, right. The other thing with
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 10: Josh Naylor is too, this is a guy who's been
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: in a lot of organizations. He was traded from Miami
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 10: to San Diego, San Diego to Cleveland, Cleveland, Arizona, Arizona
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 10: to Seattle. I think that Seattle was smart to be like,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 10: let's get you home, Let's give you this place where
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 10: you don't have to worry about traveling. That guy's been
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 10: traded in an awful lot and now he doesn't have
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 10: to worry about that. And it's great that he wants
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 10: to be here. It's great that the Seattle Mariners want
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 10: to be here. And Ian I can't tell you how
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 10: many people I have already said, I'm going to get
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 10: Josh Naylor Jersey. I'm going to get Josh Naeler Jersey.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 10: He has clearly become a big part of this fan
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 10: base and justifiably so, justifiably so. So that's another thing
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 10: sometimes that things those things get a little overrated, but
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 10: it's awesome to see the fan base get rewarded with
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 10: a player that they really like.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Great stuff, my friend. I have a feeling we'll talk
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: again soon. In the meantime, Where can people find all
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: your work app?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 10: You can find it in a lot of places, probably
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 10: NBC Sports and Lockdown Seahawks right now and Mayo WI
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 10: please check that out. Really appreciate it.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be more news. We'll check back in soon.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: But thanks for popping on last minute today. I appreciate it,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: buddy anytime.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: But there you go.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Chris Crawford joining us. All right, four nine, four to
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: five one on that is the still unrestricted free agent
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  Speaker 2: text line.
• 1:02:43
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  Speaker 2: See I'm gonna read some texts four nine four or
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: five one two oh six. I do I truly did
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: not think this ownership of pay Naylor, but I'm happy
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: to be wrong. I'd love to spend this entire off
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: season being wrong. Go for it, route to be wrong,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: in route to be wrong.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: Oh, I think they're going for it.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Uh, I do know. It's hardcore football Monday from the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: two o six. Just funny.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: If this was any other day, Naylor would be all
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: we're talking about I don't know, yes or no. It
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: depends on the time of the year. That was a
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: big Seahawks game. I think if they had just boat
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: raced Arizona like the week before, then yeah. But I mean, honestly,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: outside of I mean, I think I said to Chris
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: what I would say, and I'd probably move on. It's
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: it's a great sign on a couple of different ways,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: not just from a baseball's standpoint.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: It says a lot that he wants to stay here. Yes,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: he was pretty vocal about that.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Right, but he didn't go out on the open market
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: like and I say that.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: Again.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I know there's rules and you can't negotiate and things,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: and there's dates and all his agent knows what the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: market is. He wanted to stay here, got paid, and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: the where you go whatever that ends up.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 11: Being the biggest thing for me, isn't even like the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 11: signing itself. It's the timing. It's the fact that literally
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 11: almost as early as you could do it, they ditch
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 11: done and they're like that. They said it was a priority.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 11: I think a lot of people were skeptical when they
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 11: said that. But the fact that they got it done
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 11: right away.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: And kind of fits it kind of just tells you
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: a lot about where the organization is right now. Yes,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: and it's one thing we've seen in the past, whether
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: one and done, get to the playoffs and we'll talk
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: to you again in twenty years or four years or
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  Speaker 3: Andy had years left, they didn't extend you.
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  Speaker 3: It's just not good.
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  Speaker 2: How about Malik Willis coming in and immediately leading him
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• 1:11:08
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  Speaker 12: Which was right because if it's like a five year lockout,
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  Speaker 12: then Naylor was here for like a.
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  Speaker 2: Decade, and when you're the World Series champions, you'll be
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  Speaker 2: back to back.
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  Speaker 4: You got to call it.
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  Speaker 6: They're gonna win it next year, let's do it away.
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  Speaker 3: That didn't we they're going to win it.
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  Speaker 12: I guess there is a little bit of you and
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  Speaker 12: a little bit of me that never felt totally comfortable
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  Speaker 12: until he got the deal done with Naylor. But I
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  Speaker 12: always thought he was coming back, didn't you. I felt
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  Speaker 12: like because the alternative was like a disaster.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, well Prizona really wanted them back, or the fan
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  Speaker 8: base did.
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  Speaker 2: He has to he had to decide to come back,
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  Speaker 2: and all things being equal, I felt like right that
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  Speaker 2: if the money was there, right, he would be here now,
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  Speaker 2: which is a big if.
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  Speaker 12: And as David Samson was on with us on Thursday
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  Speaker 12: five years.
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  Speaker 6: And they went five years and they got him.
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  Speaker 3: Back and they good for them.
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  Speaker 12: I think it's great. I want more, though, than Josh Naylor.
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  Speaker 12: I don't want to bring back the team status quo
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  Speaker 12: that lost to Toronto. I will say this that six
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  Speaker 12: months of Josh Naylor versus two months of Josh Naylor
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  Speaker 12: might be the difference between winning ninety and maybe winning
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  Speaker 12: ninety three, ninety.
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  Speaker 6: Two wins whatever.
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  Speaker 12: But again, they won the division, they had the number
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  Speaker 12: two seed in the playoffs. They didn't lose in the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 12: playoffs because they were a wild card team and didn't
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 12: get home field.
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  Speaker 6: That's not why they lost.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 12: They lost because the manager blew the bullpen, right, at
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 12: least blew the decision in the bullpen, And you're starting
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 12: pitching went in the toilet in the most important time.
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  Speaker 3: Of the year, and that won't change it, and that
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  Speaker 3: won't change it.
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  Speaker 6: And the bottom of your lineup did nothing in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: So do you put plot in a resigned category? I'm back.
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  Speaker 6: I bring him back.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, obviously, for him, the money's going to be
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  Speaker 12: a gigantic factor. I don't blame the guy for going
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 12: after every buck he can find. I'm really curious to
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  Speaker 12: do guys what they do in right field at third base,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 12: because the Williamson thing is the natural next step for them, obviously.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you want to pay.
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  Speaker 6: For the guy's got no bat Yeah, I mean, look,
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  Speaker 6: I know he's a study.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I know he's a study defensively and all that,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 12: but there's nothing there offensively, No, and there's nothing there.
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  Speaker 12: I don't think Andrews that says that's going to change
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 12: much next year.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 11: No, No, I don't think so either. I mean, he's
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 11: an elite defensive player, but he's.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Very a one trick pony in that regard, Right, So
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: that's the hole in your lineup. Yeah, if that's the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: only hole in your lineup, but you get that defense
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: from him, then.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 12: Go get me a right fielder, and go get me
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 12: a massive upgrade at second base. Maybe it's Polanco for
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 12: the entire year. I don't know what they're gonna do
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 12: to bring up. Looks like more of a d h
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 12: to me, to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think well he's got he should be and
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Cole Young.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 12: Is your second baseman. No, potentially next year, where's Emerson Att?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 12: Tell me where JP goes?
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: Is JP?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 11: See, that's the big question I have. I think we
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 11: need to start having a shortstop conversation, thir.
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  Speaker 12: We've been having the shortstop conversation for the last three
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 12: years ever since Carlos care has signed down with Minnesota.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as a free agent. Right, So you're so role
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  Speaker 2: blest can zone no your doubt you say no.
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  Speaker 3: I'm say no.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just saying I think they can do bat.
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  Speaker 3: I think the outfield is what it is.
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  Speaker 6: Probably right in reality, knowing them.
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  Speaker 2: If they signed Polonko that that outfield probably is there
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: and they'll probably go Young at third base with Williamson,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Because you're right, because it's really young at third base Williamson,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Who's they'll go younger? Yeah, yeah, because that's at some
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: point Chris Larson and John san are gonna go, hey,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: wait a second, Jerry, didn't we just get I just
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  Speaker 12: I've I've made the reference to the you ever see
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  Speaker 12: a role played by uh Bart gm I his son Paul,
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  Speaker 12: who played Pig Vomit in the Howard Stern movie.
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  Speaker 6: I know who, guys know, I know Paul.
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  Speaker 12: And there's a scene where he basically sells everything he
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  Speaker 12: owns to give money to Russell crow so he can train. Yeah,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 12: He's like, there's nothing else in my life that matters
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 12: more than you training to be a heavyweight champion. I'm
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 12: gonna sell all my furniture during the Great Depression, sell
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 12: everything you know Red deel Wigger who plays his wife,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 12: goes over there to bang on the door, and she's
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 12: all pissed off that he's making him train. He's gonna
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  Speaker 12: kill him and blah blah blah, and then she realizes
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 12: that man, this guy has sold everything to make sure
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  Speaker 12: my husband can train to win the heavyweight Championship. I
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  Speaker 12: want to go knock on John Stanton's door, have him
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 12: open up his door and there's like a stool and
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 12: there's nothing left because he sold all of it to
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 12: give the Mariners every penny they need to win a
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  Speaker 12: World Series Championship.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: Because when he goes to vestment, I want him.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 12: To dream about the World Series when he eats his
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 12: cheerios or as cornflakes or his cinnamon toast crunch in
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 12: the morning. I want the cereal in the milk to
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 12: form a.
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  Speaker 6: World Series logo.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 12: Okay, when he looks up at the shot he sees
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 12: the clouds, I want him to see a World Series
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 12: trophy in the clouds. That's the only thing that that
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 12: guy should be doing. Everything he does, it should be
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 12: about a World Series title. Everything, well, they took the
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  Speaker 12: first step yesterday.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: It all of it.
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  Speaker 12: What are you doing I want it all you remember
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 12: a little more for I heard your conversation with them,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 12: thought it was okay, yeah, but I want a little more.
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  Speaker 3: You want more, So we got more for you.
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  Speaker 12: We'll talk about any other reaction to the Seahawk loss
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 12: yesterday obviously, and then the game everybody's been waiting for.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 12: Man Cowboys Raiders coming up at five fifteen to night
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  Speaker 12: with Kevin Harlan.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 6: How do the Raiders keep ending up on national tee?
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  Speaker 3: Carroll Man, I'm telling you I don't.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be one thing if it was a big market.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Vegas is not a big market. Think how
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: about how about this for an idea? Because you can
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: flex out Sunday night games?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: Right, I think you, Kim? Can you flex Mondays?
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  Speaker 7: Now?
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  Speaker 4: You think so?
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  Speaker 12: I don't think so. How about flexing Monday night games
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 12: the hell out of there? Put something else on. They
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 12: give fans a couple of weeks notice or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 12: You're changing days as opposed to times, But I don't
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 12: know we're doing the Cowboys last, not even flexing. Who's
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 12: Who's the Sunday game in two weeks?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: It's the Commanders are on again on a Sunday in
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: two weeks and they're not even flexing.
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  Speaker 12: Man geez, not good, all right, all right, well I'll
• 1:18:13
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