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Greene, Vierling Need To Get Going · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Nowork, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren
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  Speaker 1: Stickley with me as always as a man who knows
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  Speaker 1: that just because you're from Texas does not make you
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  Speaker 1: a cowboy.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, how you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Hey? Hey? Good true. If you guys haven't checked out
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  Speaker 3: the King of the Hill reboot, you know there's my
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  Speaker 3: plug for that. You can be Texan without being a cowboy.
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  Speaker 3: You can be cowboy without being Texan. Not always the
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  Speaker 3: same thing.
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  Speaker 2: That was inspired by and I and I like him.
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  Speaker 2: I like him.
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  Speaker 1: I never met him, but I like him. But Greganya
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  Speaker 1: being like, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I saw Chris Baddock walking in with his boots in
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  Speaker 2: his head.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that's a man from Texas. If he
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  Speaker 1: came in on a horse, I wouldn't be surprised.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's just dive into this. If you guys aren't,
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  Speaker 3: aren't down for a whole episode of this talk and whatever?
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  Speaker 3: I mean. That was like when they would type up
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  Speaker 3: Tyler Alexander being a Texan. Yes, he's from Softley, will Vest,
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  Speaker 3: even will Vest has a little country twinge, but he's
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  Speaker 3: from like a nice area of Houston, like the horses here.
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  Speaker 3: Come on.
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  Speaker 1: But we saw Paddock for the second time, and and
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  Speaker 1: we we've got a couple. We're starting to get into
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  Speaker 1: the rotations a little bit. But we'll start with Paddick
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  Speaker 1: because he started today and and and I'll I'll recount
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  Speaker 1: because I actually got a text from if you guys
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  Speaker 1: remember I got I asked one of my co workers,
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  Speaker 1: as a Twins fan, like, what's the scout on Chris Paddock?
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, he could either be really pretty solid
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  Speaker 1: to really good for five to six or he's going
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  Speaker 1: to give up three earned runs in the first inning.
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  Speaker 1: That's as about a good source as it.
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  Speaker 3: Needs to be working for a major league team.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's exactly what we've experienced with Paddock
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  Speaker 1: so far. He did settle down today, but the three
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  Speaker 1: runs in the first uh put obviously the Tigers behind
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  Speaker 1: the eight ball. But uh, you're you're as we say
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  Speaker 1: here on on on the graphic here, Cody, your second
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  Speaker 1: impression of one Chris Paddock not a cowboy.
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  Speaker 3: But Chris Paddock is a cowboy. Chris, I mean he
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  Speaker 3: dresses like a cowboy. He you know, so I think
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  Speaker 3: Chris Paddock is a real cowboy uh as a pitcher.
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  Speaker 3: My second impressions weren't a ton different than my first
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  Speaker 3: store really my impressions from several years of watching Chris
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  Speaker 3: Batic pitch. I mean, this guy has a what four
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  Speaker 3: to four career era for a reason, It's been a
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  Speaker 3: pretty big sample at this point. I think that's who
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  Speaker 3: he is. And to your point, or to your your
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  Speaker 3: sources point, like sometimes it's going to work out. His
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  Speaker 3: first start, really good scoreboard results, But the Diamondbacks had
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  Speaker 3: every average exitveilosity of ninety six miles an hour. What
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  Speaker 3: that means is he gave up a lot of heart contact.
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  Speaker 3: And if you give up a lot of hard contact,
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  Speaker 3: more likely than not you were not going to have success.
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  Speaker 3: The batting average is going to be higher, the slogging
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  Speaker 3: person is just going to be higher, and more runs
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  Speaker 3: are going to score. Had it came out first setting said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: guess what a lot of hard contact one oh four,
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  Speaker 3: one O seven, one o seven and those balls did
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  Speaker 3: not fall in the gloves of fielders. Yeah, Matt Vierling
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  Speaker 3: misplayed one, but there were some balls over the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the plate that really got hammered. Kind of who
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  Speaker 3: Paddock's been, He's not going to be a huge strikeout guy,
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  Speaker 3: so it's tough for him to beat people on the zone.
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  Speaker 3: Even though he does fill up the own, he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: issue a lot of walks. But tonight he went four innings,
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  Speaker 3: he only got one swing and miss. That was a
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  Speaker 3: pretty big problem for the Tigers all night. They only
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  Speaker 3: struck out two batters. We saw a lot of different arms.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't I don't want to, like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think this is who Paddock is, and the report
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  Speaker 3: you gave Karen may well be the Paddock we're going
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  Speaker 3: to see the rest of this season. He'll probably have
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  Speaker 3: a couple more nice starts in them, and he'll probably
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  Speaker 3: get rocked a couple of times, kind of how who's
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  Speaker 3: been throughout his career.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the funny thing is like the more
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  Speaker 1: I study Sky Harrison Company and the more I like
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  Speaker 1: evaluate their moves like after they play out, the more
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  Speaker 1: I just kind of real like I just get it.
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  Speaker 1: Not that I understand them, but I like, I get
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  Speaker 1: like the philosophy of eliminating as many variants as possible,
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  Speaker 1: Like even though technically Paddocks has had like two variable outcomes,
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  Speaker 1: it's all been in the zone. It could have been
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  Speaker 1: worse too, by the way today had Winstel and I
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  Speaker 1: made a stretching catch there and.
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  Speaker 3: Right, few things more variable than the ball and play though,
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  Speaker 3: So but he's.
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  Speaker 2: He'specially to his reputation, though I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a consistent projectable results throughout his career.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, which which I think is I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: a stretch to say that was one of the more
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  Speaker 1: valuable traits or assets or whatever that they ended up
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  Speaker 1: targeting in the trade headline and then ended up.
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  Speaker 3: There's some stability in Chris Paddock if you consider a
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  Speaker 3: mediocre e r A like stability there, there is.
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  Speaker 1: That, Yeah, I mean, because I mean we've been doing
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  Speaker 1: this podcast. Almost the entire time we've been doing this
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  Speaker 1: podcast has been on the edges of very ability. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why we have the Matt Manning conversations. That's why
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  Speaker 1: we Tongue in Chink have the the Jack Flaherty conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Now those now these are examples of wider outcomes. But
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  Speaker 1: but but I think Paddock fits into that more narrow
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  Speaker 1: outcome and and and you and you, and I think
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  Speaker 1: AJ manages this way too, like like the entire the
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  Speaker 1: entire system is built on, you know, having the greatest
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  Speaker 1: degree of certainty that you can in a highly uncertain game.
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  Speaker 1: So uh so, yeah, I mean it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the phrase he is who we thought he was certainly
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  Speaker 1: comes to mind, but somebody that we hadn't seen yet.
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  Speaker 2: And so we finally had a first impression. Cause slowly
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  Speaker 2: trickling these uh these out a little bit is as we.
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  Speaker 1: Saw the other Montero, uh, Raphael Montero, that is with
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  Speaker 1: his luscious locks there on the mound. And and so
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  Speaker 1: I'll say, I'll just throw to you, what did you
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  Speaker 1: What did you think of the split?
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  Speaker 3: Pretty much pitch to his reputation, the split had some
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  Speaker 3: good action. He also struggled to find the strike zone.
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  Speaker 3: He issued a couple of walks. It wasn't really the
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  Speaker 3: eye test was not really pretty. It's one inning. Not
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  Speaker 3: going to judge the guy too much on one outing,
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  Speaker 3: just like we're not going to, you know, overreact to
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  Speaker 3: the fact Charlie Morton had a very good start, Like,
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  Speaker 3: let's see what happens. Give him some more time with
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  Speaker 3: the pitching coaches, maybe he can figure something out. But
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  Speaker 3: first impression of Rafael Montero is kind of a tough watch.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't call it the
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  Speaker 1: toughest watch that we had out there tonight, but it
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  Speaker 1: but it but but but it was a tough watch,
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  Speaker 1: and and it and it again. There were the the
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  Speaker 1: the little traits there that I recognized as like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's why. But you also put him in when you're
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  Speaker 1: down what three runs?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: And like AJ uses guys in situations for a reason,
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  Speaker 1: specifically the pictures, but hitters to a certain extent, but
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  Speaker 1: it's specifically the pitchers. And I think the fact that
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  Speaker 1: we just now saw Raphael kind of speaks to like
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  Speaker 1: where in the pecking order he is. And then and
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  Speaker 1: then the question that's just going to keep coming up
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  Speaker 1: until there's a resolution. Cody is the Brandon Hannafie aspect
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  Speaker 1: of this, and then also the Luke Jackson aspect of this.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, like it's like that one I
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  Speaker 1: have a harder time getting a grasp on.
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  Speaker 3: I'll just say that, Yeah, I feel like I really
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  Speaker 3: try to not overreact to even if I don't personally
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  Speaker 3: agree with every single move the teammates, to explain the
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  Speaker 3: team's thinking, right, because They do these things for a reason.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like they're sitting in the office and they're
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  Speaker 3: just like, you know what, I think we should send
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  Speaker 3: down Brennan. Like they study these things, they make these
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  Speaker 3: mature reasons. I can't get behind this. I think gets
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  Speaker 3: since a bad message. Cher Clubhouse that Brennan Hannafee is
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  Speaker 3: in Triple A right now and Luke Jackson is up
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  Speaker 3: here in the major leagues. Just had a pretty ugly outing,
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  Speaker 3: a pretty tough watch. A couple of his outings up
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  Speaker 3: here have been tough watches. This is the guy you've got.
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  Speaker 3: He was a project. He's had some success. A couple
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  Speaker 3: of years ago, he was let go by another team
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  Speaker 3: for a reason because he wasn't performing well. And by
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  Speaker 3: the way, yeah, Brenon Hannafy Karen has what a three
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  Speaker 3: to one oherer. He had thrown nine scoreless outings before
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  Speaker 3: he gave up a run in Philly. He had been
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  Speaker 3: one of your better bullpen arms. He was an integral
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  Speaker 3: part of the things you pulled off down the stretch
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  Speaker 3: last season, and you optioned that guy. So you can
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  Speaker 3: see a few more innings of Luke Jackson. I guess
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  Speaker 3: the fun off is rationale is they must think they
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  Speaker 3: can unlock something with Luke Jackson. Maybe it'll be worth it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe they'll be proven right. I kind
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  Speaker 3: of think it's gonna be hard to justify Luke Jackson
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  Speaker 3: be in here on Wednesday morning, And like I said,
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  Speaker 3: I just think that sends a bad message to the
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  Speaker 3: rest of your team, not just what's brendon hand? If
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  Speaker 3: he's supposed to think, what is each guy in there?
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  Speaker 3: What's Trek Scooble's supposed to think? It's kind of when
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  Speaker 3: you guys are World Series and the guy who just
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  Speaker 3: threw nine straight scoreless outings is in Triple A, so
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  Speaker 3: we can watch Luke Jackson because a slider looks good
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  Speaker 3: on the stuff plus models like, come on, man, I
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  Speaker 3: don't I think that's I think that's tough. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's a tough sell.
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  Speaker 1: It's an easier sell in on June fifth than it
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  Speaker 1: is August fifth optically, and and and and how you
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  Speaker 1: feel about it. Whether that's the more right or wrong
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  Speaker 1: way to go about thinking about it, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm just telling you that's how it feels. Because
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  Speaker 1: I like the Carlos Hernandez thing. It was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we get it.
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  Speaker 3: Like and they needed a body when they picked up
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  Speaker 3: Luke Jackson. You know, there's not necessarily that cressing need.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, well, you need bodies you can trust, and
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  Speaker 1: hannife was a trusted guy, uh all the way through.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously it's not gonna be very long,
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  Speaker 1: but I imagine that was quite an interesting uh manager's
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  Speaker 1: office conversation for for for one Handifee and speaking of clubhouses,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break. But on the other end
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  Speaker 1: of this break, we're gonna ask Cody, who's now you
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  Speaker 1: know there and seeing the clubhouse and like all these
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  Speaker 1: new faces. We're gonna ask him what the clubhouse looks
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  Speaker 1: Well, all right, speaking of comfort, you know, the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: had obviously several additions made to the teams, particularly the
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  Speaker 1: bullpen exclusively the bullpen, not exclusive, almost exclusively the bullpen exclusively,
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  Speaker 1: the pitching staff. And that's a little bit of a turnover.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: That's something that we're not used to covering the Tigers.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: You're not used to covering a buyer at the deadline,
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  Speaker 1: and unfortunately, because of travel issues, you weren't able to
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  Speaker 1: be there in Philadelphia when this stuff was all new.
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  Speaker 1: Since then, we've seen, as we talked about, some of
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  Speaker 1: these guys come come come to play.
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  Speaker 2: What's it like? What's it what's it like?
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  Speaker 1: Seeing all these new faces and you know, keep in
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  Speaker 1: mind also another new thing is there's a lot more
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: of these like brotherhood sort of like anecdotal things kind
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  Speaker 1: of going around there. I'm not disputing, I'm not endorsing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying they are out there. So you're you're
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  Speaker 1: a man on the street right now, Cody, what's what's
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  Speaker 1: the vibes in the clubhouse now? After trade deadline and
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  Speaker 1: a series loss and then a split with the Twins
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  Speaker 1: who sold as hard as you could sell the deadline?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it sure seems to me like the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers have had good team chemistry all year, whether you
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  Speaker 3: believe in the important to that or not, Like this
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  Speaker 3: is a good group. This seems to be a group
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  Speaker 3: that meshes together well, that plays as a team, that
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  Speaker 3: plays with common goals in mind. I don't think the
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  Speaker 3: fact that they like played ping pong together the other
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  Speaker 3: night means they're gonna win the World Series. Like I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure that's I just don't really think that's relevant
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  Speaker 3: to anything. But I do think this is a good
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  Speaker 3: room and a good group of guys. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that it's, at least from what I can tell, super
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  Speaker 3: changed by a few additions. Especially you look at the
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  Speaker 3: guys they brought in. Chris Paddock. You know, he seems
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  Speaker 3: like he's he's felt very welcome since walking in the door.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, he is a Texan, just like Jake Rogers
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  Speaker 3: and Will vest and some other guys in there, so
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: maybe he has some commonalities Charlie Morton. I mean, this
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  Speaker 3: guy's forty one. Now, he is much older than pretty
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: much everyone else in that room. But Morton was kind
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  Speaker 3: of like, you know, it's a big league clubhouse. They're
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  Speaker 3: all kind of the same. They're little differences here and there.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't necessarily like poo pooing the idea of chemistry,
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  Speaker 3: but he did kind of been like, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: a similar vibing where you go. It's a baseball team,
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  Speaker 3: and this is a guy who's been there and seen
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  Speaker 3: it all, so I think, you know that that kind
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  Speaker 3: of gets you thinking a little bit. And then some
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  Speaker 3: other bullpen additions. Also note it's not like anyone notable
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  Speaker 3: was shipped out at the deadline, so I think that
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  Speaker 3: helps keep the feel of the room intact. So so far,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not seeing a huge difference one way
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  Speaker 3: or another, and that's probably a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I guess it is worth noting that
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  Speaker 1: outside of a couple instances that are pretty obvious, but
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  Speaker 1: there weren't a whole lot of jobs lost rights as
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: you would typically expect when you bring in all these
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: make all this major league talent, So that probably that
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  Speaker 1: probably does help. And I will I will say, I
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: don't know, like I'm not plugged into Twins Twitter or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: or or any Twitter than the Tigres Twitter, but it did.
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  Speaker 1: It did bring it out from Paddock when he said,
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  Speaker 1: like all the things about the facilities and the staff
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  Speaker 1: and the nutrition, and you're like, I don't want you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but he basically said all that other stuff
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  Speaker 1: that players value that we don't necessarily see. That was
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  Speaker 1: one that I actually did think that could be like
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  Speaker 1: a real thing, is like, you know, the Tigers do
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  Speaker 1: really good if that was like an infrastructure thing that
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: you don't always get and from that too, so he
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  Speaker 1: would know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hate like praising Chrisilich for like upgrading the
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: showers and stuff like that. But I do think the
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: investments the Tigers have made in terms of player facilities
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  Speaker 3: and the general player experience has made a real difference.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, a couple of years ago, before all these
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  Speaker 3: renovations number one, in the clubhouse stuff, it wasn't in
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  Speaker 3: good shape. It was aging quick. You could start to
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: hear players kind of grumbling about it. And now pretty
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  Speaker 3: much that everyone who comes in here they're saying, like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is a first class experience. For Chris Paddocks to
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: be saying that on day one, that's not nothing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the Tigers, they're not a perfect organization they've put but
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  Speaker 3: they've put a lot of resources into the player experience.
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  Speaker 3: So I do think players are being treated pretty well
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  Speaker 3: in Detroit right now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The phrase, uh not everything, it's something or not. You know,
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  Speaker 1: everything affects everything. Not a big deal, but it does.
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  Speaker 1: But things do matter, you know, so like put that
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  Speaker 1: forever it's worth. But it is like a thing that
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  Speaker 1: does count for something. Uh So, so yeah, uh.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's transition to.
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  Speaker 1: Another Like it's kind of newsy today even though it
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  Speaker 1: didn't play, But that's why it's newsy.
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  Speaker 2: And that and that's and that's Riley Green.
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  Speaker 1: So we actually got a comment on her on our
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  Speaker 1: YouTube page for our last episode, we didn't mention his slump.
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  Speaker 1: And and you know, sometimes we don't get to everything.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay to ask us why we didn't get to
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: something doesn't doesn't offend.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Me at all.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: But but it feels fitting now to talk about it
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: because again, he sat against a right handed starting pitcher.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: He's obviously going through right now.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: You guys have probably all seen the stats about his
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: bat and averages since this date, that day whatever. He
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: is on pace to break the strikeout record, which is
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: something that even in an era where we're not supposed
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: to care about strikeouts, does seem kind of heavy. And
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: and and so he's no longer doing the mustache thing.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: He's going back to the beer thing, like you've been
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: there a couple of days. So I'm just kind of curious,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: like if there's any and what aj perhaps said or
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: didn't say about it, Like what's kind of the the
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Riley Green vibe?
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that ViBe's pretty unchanged too. I
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: think we've talked about it a lot all year, the
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: strikeouts and how's Riley feel, and how's the team feel?
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: And the production has been there still at a high level.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: I've been a pretty big Riley Green defender all year
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: and sayda, I can live with the strikeouts. It is
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: getting harder order to defend as they keep stacking up,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: as that rate creeps well over thirty percent. I think
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: it was good to get him a day off Tuesday.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: He probably needs something he needs to reset. Yeah, Like
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: I just think this has gotten a little too extreme.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Can live with a high strikeout rate, can't live with
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: a ton of chase. Can't live with not walking at
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: all here, and that's been a huge thing. The walk
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: rate has dropped off big time, if you recall the
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: reason people were talking up Riley Green before the season.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: In each of his years, the strikeout rate has gone down,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: the walk rate has gone up. The hard hit rate
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: has also gone up well. This year, the strikeout rate
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: has jumped from twenty six percent to thirty two percent,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: and the walk rate has dropped from eleven percent to
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: six percent, which is a career low. So in a way,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: it's almost less about the strikeouts. It's the lack of
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: walks hurts his hitting profile. The chase rate also the
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: worst of his career. So there are a difference between
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: going up there and hey, you're gonna be on high
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: fastballs and making poor swing decisions, Like, like, there's got
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: to be a little bit more of a balance. I
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: think we're at a point where it's certainly fair to
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: admit that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Here's something that kind of had me raise my eyebrows.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Was last year Green obviously his like breakout year. He
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: was a five point four when war player warplayer. Right
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: now as currently stands on references, it's two point one.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Like this is slipping and.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: He's getting knocked on his defense too. Even though he
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: keeps making a lot of highlight reels, he's not greating
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: out the same.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And another thing, I'm just gonna throw a couple of
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: random stats out there. What they mean, you know, can
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: be up to everybody's interpretation. But last year he played
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: now he was you know, he had the hamstring injury,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: but he played one hundred and thirty seven games last year.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: This year he's already up to one eleven and we
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: still got like what forty seven games left ish, give
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: or take. So we're talking about toll on the body stuff,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and then something don't know I don't. I don't, you know,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: like I would be curious what his batting plan was
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: last offseason, how much of it was him and his
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: team scause you know this happens with players. How much
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: it was him and his team, and how much of
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: it was you know, Tigers advised and you know all
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that stuff. That's every organization goes through this with every player,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: especially players of note. But anyway, he is swinging at
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: first pitches Cody at a forty point two percent clip
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: last year thirty point two, so a ten percent increase
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: in first pitch swing decisions this year. So I looked
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: at that and I thought, okay, well, maybe he's got
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to take more pitches, because, like you know, maybe that's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: maybe a source of him not doing damage.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Well, actually, no, the opposite.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: He's he's got a one point two eight six oh
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: ps on first pitches and and he's also also on
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: one oh counts though he's got a one point two
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: eighty six oh ps. Uh when when he when he's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: in one o county first of all, and play there.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: The problem is, here's something weird. His batting average is
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: only one point a point one two five on a
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: two oh count on a.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Two o count Cody, that's not that's not good.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like that's like a hitter
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of his caliber's got to take advantage of two oh counts.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's an outlandish thing to say.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And then of course when he's behind in counts, he
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: he struggles as well, but you would.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: He's getting jumpedy on two oh, like trying too hard
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: to look for damage. Either that or he's having some
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: horrible babbit block on two oh. But that's that's pretty extreme.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his babbage is about the same.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so he's he's yeah, I think it's jumpy,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: or maybe he's assuming he's getting something better than he's getting.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: So so those are just a couple of numbers.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: On base percentage all the way down to three point fifteen,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: that's gonna be a big knock on your war. Again,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: if you can get that walk rate even up to
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: league average eight percent, you're probably looking what three twenty five,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: three thirty, that's gonna help you out. That's gonna look nice.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: All that requires chasing less. And let's just bring up
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: one other concern I have with this team, Karen not
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: dominating the strike zone. I read off their strikeout percentage
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: before the trade deadline. I think I must have had
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: my splits wrong on fangrafts or something is wrong. They're
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: all the way up. They're striking out the third highest
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: clip in the major leagues, and their walk rate is twentieth,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: so they're walking a little bit less than the average
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: bottom third and they're striking out the third most main
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: team in baseball. Riley is a huge part of that, obviously,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: but there are other guys too. That's not gonna bode
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: well for you in the postseason. That's that's been a
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: big part of their offensive decline, uh post All Star Break,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: and that's something that's gonna have to correct, I think
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: to really have confidence in this team heading INTOCTAB, I.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Think there's a good I think there's a good argument
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to be made that this team's success postseason. Uh, well,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you know, getting to the postseason and then seeding and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: then you know, success in the postseason will largely be
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: determined by how real are.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: In season adjustments.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Because I mean all those numbers that we laid out there,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Riley's gonna have to make some sort of late late
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: in season adjustments and then how much of regression countering
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: can occur.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Those are those are the really the two things.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Those are really the two test cases that we are
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: going to see play out in real time. Will be
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: that will determine what the Tigers do this season, because
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to get here obviously has had a lot of special
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: but to truly be special, those two things are going
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to have to either occur or or be you know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: or be crescendo the possibility of regressing so or decrescendoed
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I should say so. Which brings us to another outfielder,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: another guy who literally just had a collision with Riley Green.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about Matt Vierling here.
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• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Go for it, all right, So we got a little
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: bit of a medical update regarding Parker Meadows and that
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: he's beginning I'm quoting as close as I can here,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Cody beginning a return to run progression. Uh, seems as
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: close to the phrasing there. And he's taking VP and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you know all this stuff. But so when he's in
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: center field, that obviously changes the dynamic potentially, even though
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: we haven't seen it of the team. But the whole
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: point of like sort of this roster construction is that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: if Parker gets hurt, which he has been prone to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: do as a professional, if he struggles, which as a
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: major leaguer and as a professional in general. We have
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: seen before like Vierlink can kind of hold hold water
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: there in center field and then you know, split some
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: third base there. The problem is we haven't really seen
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: anything close to Matt Vierlan that was a like, like
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a real valuable asset to the team last year. Just
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to recap, he had his seven thirty five ops last season,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: sixteen home runs, nearly a two to sixty average. Like
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: he was a guy that you could count on to
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: like a pretty good extent, to make the right play,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to to hit lefties, to like be sound defensively, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in ninety three played appearances coming into today, it just
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: hasn't really shown that. And then he has you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: misplays in center field, and and he had his.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: First you know, credit to him. I don't want to like,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: He did have his first multi hit game of the season,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: so like you I don't want to be overly negative
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: when he had in theory his best hitting performance of
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the season. But at the same time, these concerns are
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: very real because even if Parker comes back, you don't
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: know exactly what you're getting out of Parker right now,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and you and you want you want Matt to be
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit more of a known commodity.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're twenty eight games in. Vierling has only two doubles,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: no triples, no home runs. That's not good. We've heard
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: aj Hinch and others kind of throw out, well, you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: he didn't have the spring training. In a way, this
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: is his spring training. For as much as we complain
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: about spring training and being too long, there are a
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: lot of examples of when guys don't play in spring training,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: it takes them a while to get going in the
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: regular season. But I'll just say this, it's go time
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: for matf Viarling. Okay, he did a lot of rehab games.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I know he had to go back and kind of
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: start that over, but he had sixty three at bats
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: in his rehab Sence, he's now had ninety plus plate
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: appearances in the major leagues, most of those since being
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: since being active. Like, he's had a spring training's worth
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: of plate appearances. So let's go back. Okay, we're past
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the point of that being an excuse, where now he
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: just goes other twenty thirty at bats. It's like, is
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: this viable? Like what do we do? It could get
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: real awkward, real quick. So it's go time. You've had
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: that sample, You've had plenty of played appearances. Maybe two
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: hits is a good start. I don't know. Miss playing
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: two balls. They had some weird backspin on him, they
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: were both smoked. Doesn't really make an excuse at the
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: major league level, but obviously you don't want to see that.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I think a little bit of a reminder that Vierling
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: did not great out well in centerfield early in his
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: career negative seven one year in Philly, minus four his
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: first year in Detroit, and then better last year. But
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: he's not a Parker Meadows caliber center fielder by any means.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Even though he's fast, I don't think he patrols the outfield,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: especially center, in quite the same way. You need Matt
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Virling's bats to produce. You need at least one of
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Vierling where Meadows to play well for you in August
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: in September, and we're going to be having the same
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: discussion with Meadows. I assume he's probably gonna need a
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: short rehab assignment, and that's gonna be like, well, he's
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: never really gotten going, he's never really got in a rhythm.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: He kind of had to spring training worth of the
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: bats then he had to start all over again. So
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Matt Verling on this is going to be on you
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: a little bit. And Vieling's been a good player at
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: this level. It's in there, it's just time to make
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: it happen.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's belief there because there were several contenders that
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: made acquisitions for other like pieces in center field, and
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: obviously the Tigers were We're not We're not one of them.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: No, I think they would rather bet on Vierling end
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: meadows than what Harrison Bader like. I think the Scott
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Harris quote about judging what you could have first what
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: you already have is very applicable to center field, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I agree with it. I think I would battle on
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: those guys over the other type of options that were
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: available as well.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: If you want to feel a little bit better, He's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: got he doesn't qualify for this, but ver Lane is
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: you know, he's got good eggs at be low. He's
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: got good with percentage, Like his arm is actually holding
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: up well, which again was it you know, concerns that
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: was his injury. So there are some things that you think,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: like if he gets going like it will translate. Interestingly,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: he's only in the fifty eight percent tile in sprints,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: speed baseball A savant seems seems low, but you know
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: he's got to he's he does have to get going.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the more underrated keys for
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: this for this team moving forward as we kind of
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: reshape the the expectations and and what they could do
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: based on what they have done so far this year.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: All right, wrapping up, it's Torres didn't play today. Seems
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: like should be okay.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: That's that's the early word for Aj Hinch. He'd been
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: battling some form of forum pain or tightness for a
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: couple of days. So hey, I don't I don't think
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: i'd prefer to do one a bat off the bench,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: AJ said, basically, we're just gonna give you the day off,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: you know, unless it's an emergency. I think the hope
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: is we'll be back to normal Wednesday. It's a day game,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: so we'll see. But initial word, no huge concern with
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Clicker Torres.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And you heard from Reese Olsen.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Reese still waiting final word on his latest medical evaluation,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: but he seemed to think that he's getting good news.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Says it's not going to be something that requires surgery,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: which I think was certainly the fear based on how
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: the Tigers were talking about this injury earlier. He's saying,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: everyone thinks it could be a scenario where if the
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Tigers make a deep run into October, maybe he's able
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: to come back and contribute. I do think it's fair
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: to look at that through kind of skeptical leins, like,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: all right, you know you're saying deep runs, So does
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: that mean you're not ready for the Alds? And then
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: if they're in the ALCS and you haven't pitched in
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: two months, you're really going to be comfortable activating him.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: If you are, that probably means your bullpen has not
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: been performing well. And if your bullpen has not been
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: performing well, or are you going to be in the ALCS.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: So a little bit of a lot going on there.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: But if Reese is able to avoid surgery and at
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: the very least have a normal off season in spring training,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I think that's kind of a win based on where
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: we're at in with that situation.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if he's even remotely available regardless of whether they
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: activate him, I would consider that a good thing moving
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: forward long term.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Reese, all right, you can.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I got I got one point. I want to bring
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: up to we saw I met Paul Seawald today. Paul
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: sewal trade acquisition, probably their biggest name trade acquisition in
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: a way that we've all forgotten about because he's not
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: healthy until September tenth. If I were to play Devil's
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: advocate with myself right and they like, did Scott Ayers
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: have a better trade deadline than everyone's giving him a
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: credit for, I think it might start an end with
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Paul Seawal because it doesn't like it all right, this
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: guy isn't pitched, it's not healthy, Like, what's the point
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: of getting him if you're not healthy? Well, you have
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: a huge lead in this division. Fangrefs gives you a
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: ninety six percent chance to win the Ale Central right now?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Was it smarter to get a guy basically for nothing
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: that you don't need an aug and maybe he's ready
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: to come help you in September and October when it
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: really matters. You're getting a guy who's been a closer
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: at the major league level, who does strike guys out,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: who can be a very good pitcher when he's healthy,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: when he's at his best. Instead of giving up prospects
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: for Ryan Helsley or whoever else you want to throw
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: in this mix. You got this guy for like nothing,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: and you can probably feel a little more comfortable doing
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: that because you have such a big lead in your division.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: If this was almost an October only move, maybe that's smart. Now,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I'd still be a little worried going back to my
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: regular self, like he just hasn't been healthy. I'd been
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: when guys miss a long time, I just struggle to
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: think they're going to come back from day one or
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: week one or week two and be the best version
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  Speaker 3: of themselves. It just doesn't happen very often. So that's
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: a concernless sea all. But I don't know. Maybe that's
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: a smarter move and we've given it credit for.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I always kind of bank that into like
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  Speaker 1: the thought process, and I always believe that that was
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  Speaker 1: the that was the intention. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. It's not a long time to get going
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  Speaker 1: because the whole jose ercurity thing or key D thing
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  Speaker 1: is it plays into that as well. So, uh, that
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  Speaker 1: is something that you could be looking like a genius.
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  Speaker 2: It's a low, low risk, high reward move, but maybe.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of those ones that puts you puts you
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  Speaker 1: over the top, or maybe we never see Sea Wald
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  Speaker 1: pitch more than like two.
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  Speaker 2: Ends, so it's like the range of outcomes is wide.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: So this is one of those ones where.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: The range of outcomes is wide, whereas we just talked
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to the beginning about small range of outcomes.
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