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Human trafficking: It’s happening near you · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  I'm Stephanie Coxson.
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  I'm Kathy Anderson Martin.
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  And we are two women influencing real life.
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  So let's curl.
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  Back in 2010, Kathy, I, my husband of the time was fishing in the Amazon.
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  He came back and said, You're not going to believe this.
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  There is this crazy sex trafficking stuff going on around the world.
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  He met this guy on the Amazon.
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  He came back, he goes, but I think he's absolutely crazy.
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  He said it goes up to the highest levels of our government and that he's trying to rescue these kids.
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  And I'm like, Craig, it sounds like that's a little crazy.
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  Anyway, so I kind of ignored it till today.
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  Well, I wouldn't say today until COVID.
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  No, I was gonna say, you've you've been all over it a little bit more prior to today.
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  We're just talking about it today.
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  Right.
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  Until COVID, I'm like, oh my word, what that guy was telling, you know, my husband at the time was was correct.
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  And he actually has since disappeared as far as I know.
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  I don't think there's been any, you know, communication with them.
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  Yeah.
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  And so I think yeah, not my, not my uh yes, the gentleman thing.
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  Either way, sorry, either way, either way.
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  So, you know, that to be said, this is something that we need to take seriously that people need to understand.
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  And it's something that I think all of us are trying to wrap our heads around as we see these things come out.
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  I I think also, Stephanie, about a year ago, we had someone on our show to discuss this about the human trafficking, the sex trafficking, and my eyes were open because we hear in the Epstein files in the news every single day.
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  And it's not just something with this remote person that we've never met and want the files to come out.
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  These are things happening right here in our own communities, and that's why I think we need to be aware of what's going on.
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  And I think our guest today will shed some light on that.
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  So I'm Kathy Anderson Martin.
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  And I'm Stephanie Coxson, and we are two women inspiring real life.
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  So let's twirl.
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  Yeah, so I'm super excited.
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  We've got Jordan Pine on today, who's the CEO and founder of Greenlight Operations.
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  Um, so essentially you, Jordan, have been aware of I'm gonna say this is just dark force that's been in our country and around the world for very long time.
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  Can you tell us a little bit of what brought you to start Greenlight Origins?
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  And thank you so much for having me uh on twirl this morning.
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  It is it is great uh to be here.
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  And so, yeah, for me, the story of uh getting involved with human trafficking, it started at a very young age.
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  So um I was actually in middle school, and I grew up in um a pastor's family.
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  And so we had the opportunity where we were able to engage with individuals doing incredible work around the world uh relatively regularly as they were coming off of the field and um getting some respite before they were going back out.
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  And I'll never forget attending a youth conference where some missionaries that we knew and who were um back in town were sharing about some work that they were doing in India.
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  And they went on to tell this story to middle school and high school students about uh how impoverished this village was that they were living in um that there would be parents that would have to select a child that they would essentially sell to um what we know now is a trafficker, and in order to put food on the table for the remaining children.
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  And I remember hearing this story and just being so appalled at the fact that there was poverty like that that existed in the world today.
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  I couldn't imagine um, you know, a parent or siblings, you know, saying goodbye to that child.
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  But what even what was even worse was um these missionaries went on to share that in the open marketplace, these children would just be out on display for anybody to purchase.
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  Um, some would be what you might picture as a stereotypical trafficking situation where they're chained and there were crates, but they were being sold um for labor and for sex.
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  Now, they didn't go into that much detail for this youth conference, but their details I later uncovered as you know, I was growing up and learning more.
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  And so I was determined that I was gonna make this my mission.
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  I was gonna set these children free.
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  I wanted to work in the field at a very young age.
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  And I'm very grateful for parents who didn't squelch that dream, but rather helped to foster it.
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  And um, they allowed me to ask these big questions and to learn more, especially at a time when trafficking was talked about even less, and there were so many misunderstandings that there would be people at times that would even say that I would get trafficked as a young woman just because I was talking about human trafficking.
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  And so that then later led to me studying politics and criminal justice, wanting to learn how to get involved with such an intricate criminal justice issue.
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  Um, and I still was thinking this was international, this is what I would be doing.
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  I'd be doing international work.
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  Um, but the Lord really got a hold of my heart when I was on a trip in Thessaloniki, Greece, doing work in the red light districts there in Thessaloniki, and I will never forget a Greek national who was paired with us in this work that we were doing, handing out human trafficking hotline numbers and resources to um those within this area that were uh highly exploited.
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  And he was asking where we were from, and we, you know, you share Pennsylvania, Harrisburg, he's tracking.
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  Well, then he goes, Well, isn't there a place called Carlisle?
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  And I said, What do you mean?
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  Carlisle, yeah, there is, but how do you know about Carlisle of all places?
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  He goes, Yeah, we've heard about Carlisle.
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  And he said, We're aware that there's such an issue of human trafficking happening there, but nobody is doing anything about it.
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  And that was a gut-wrenching moment for me of recognizing that um here I was thinking I would be doing this great work internationally.
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  And one of those that was under the misconception that it was only happening in other countries when in reality it was happening here, and it looked very different here.
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  Um, as something unique about trafficking is that it it molds itself to the society, the societal norms of that region.
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  Um, and it stays very well hidden.
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  If we saw children chained up or created in Walmart, I would hope that we would have the decency to call that in and recognize that something was going wrong.
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  Um, but when you have when you do have trafficking, you have children that are sitting in a classroom who are going home every single day to a parent who is addicted to drugs and selling them after school every day, but that child is going to school and not really missing much, and we're still not recognizing it.
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  That tells us that we're just missing what it looks like.
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  So there, um, so for me, that is that was the catalyst for getting involved, and there's so much more I could share, but um it started at a very young age.
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  Uh I just I I want to recap.
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  I mean, something you said, which just I I hope people listen to.
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  Um, we're obviously in Central Pennsylvania when you mentioned Carlisle, it's a nondescript, small community, nothing, you know, nothing to highlight it.
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  So when someone from in Greece, while you're there um doing something internationally, says, oh, this area.
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  Now it's a very um, it's a thoroughfare.
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  There are a lot of interstates that go through it and so forth.
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  But I just hope we have people listening from all over the country.
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  Um, that's amazing.
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  I mean, I hope you heard that if you're listening, that worldwide, a small town in Pennsylvania that's nothing special, um, was known as a place where trafficking existed.
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  And um, that is probably Jordan, and and that's where we're based, but that would probably be all across the country in our United States in these small towns, right?
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  Absolutely.
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  Yeah, it it's one of those, it's a massive international crime that exists globally, but it is happening in local communities.
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  And so you may often hear the term of, you know, it's happening happening in your own backyard.
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  And the sad reality is it is, it's just a matter of have we discovered it yet?
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  Have we been able to properly identify it yet?
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  Um, those are those pieces that we tend to miss here in the US and in those small, smaller towns.
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  So I oh go ahead, Steph.
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  I was just my stomach hurts just hearing you talk about kids in cages and like I I'm just flabbergasted as that out in the open in other countries.
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  Like I can see it hidden here, you know.
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  I I get that, and that hurts my heart.
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  But to have children actually displayed and people walk by.
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  I mean, who's buying these besides our politicians?
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  Who's buying these children?
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, consumers come from every walk of life.
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  The US is actually known as being a top consumer for those who are being victimized in traffic.
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  Um, consumers, both in our nation, but primarily internationally.
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  Um, I I'll never forget I was doing a training in a university and they had a panel of speakers.
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  And uh one of the speakers actually was an agent who worked internationally in the extraction side of trafficking.
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  So he was the the type of person that would go in and work with a local government um entities and they would extract um men, women, children from these situations.
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  And I will never forget him sharing that he said it was not uncommon because he was an American man to go to places like Eastern Europe, for example.
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  And he said, in a matter of five minutes, he said, I would have somebody that would approach me and offer me um a woman or a child um that I could have some fun with.
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  And he said, What struck him even more was how brazen they were and asking him because he was a single.
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  American man traveling alone.
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  So they profiled him, which indicates that this is a trend and a problem that they're they're going to do that.
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  But secondly, that not only were they so brazen and asking, but they weren't afraid of the consequences because they knew that number one, the payoff would be pretty decent.
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  And chances were that he would have likely have said yes.
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  And so that tells us we have a massive problem.
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  If in some regions when people are traveling, um they're they're getting approached and asked, Do you do you want to have um some fun?
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  Do you want a girl?
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  Do you want a child?
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  You want to have a fun party and come to this.
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  Um now again, that can be a little bit more prevalent in different regions of the world.
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  Uh, but it certainly wasn't uncommon for the parts of Europe that he he was traveling in.
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  And I I mean, I think there's several problems.
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  I mean, there's one, the people doing that, but there's the problem of the consumers, as you call it.
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  Absolutely.
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  And that's even, you know, you hear prostitution stings and so forth within our uh local communities.
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  It's it's yes, the prostitution and the person organizing that, but it's the people that are patronizing.
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  If there were no customers, it wouldn't be a problem.
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  Right.
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  Absolutely.
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  And and prostitution even indicates that there's a level of choice for those individuals that are being sold in this.
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  The reality is majority of these people are victims of sex trafficking and they're they're not choosing that.
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  Um, and so you're absolutely right.
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  It is like any type of business, it functions on supply and demand.
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  If we were able to strike at the demand, which is what we're seeing in Cumberland County is um one of their tactics and solutions, you you then are driving away the customers that are gonna cause this to flourish.
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  Now, there are many other um challenges, of course, that are pushing this forward.
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  But if people stopped purchasing sex, if they stopped exploiting individuals for free labor, if they stopped consuming pornography, we would see human trafficking cease to exist almost immediately.
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  But the reality is in the selfish desires of broken people that maybe are hurt people that are hurting people, but they're seeking pleasure, they're seeking fun, and they think they're entitled to that.
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  They're hurting the lives of so many others in generations as well, because you can have one individual who is impacted.
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  We talk about this one one woman who is healed, for example, that can impact a generational line, but that also goes for one person who is harmed by this.
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  That too can also impact a generational line.
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  And I think you mentioned it looks different in different communities.
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  I mean, our we can't get that image out of our minds of going to India and seeing children in cages, but in the United States, um, there are parents who are actually selling their children to fuel, you know, mentioned an addiction.
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  So it's a cage of a different kind.
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  And yeah, right.
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  Yeah, it absolutely is.
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  Yeah, much of it can be driven by.
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  So when you look at trafficking and what leads a person to first becoming exploited by trafficking, or even potentially maybe a person who is trafficked and then starts to hurt others within their family as well.
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  Um, drug addiction is certainly a big one.
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  Loneliness is another driver of this, somebody who's seeking companionship, companionship, love, things like that.
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  Um, but but to touch on that addiction piece and parents who are selling children, that is actually one of the biggest misconceptions about human trafficking is that individuals think it looks like the movie taken or the sound of freedom.
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  We might have this picture in our minds that it's a sensational scenario that takes place, a white van that pulls up, or somebody who is being stalked, or um, and it's this big dramatic um situation that plays out.
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  Well, that could happen, it's very rare because we have to put ourselves in the mentality of the trafficker.
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  So the trafficker does not want to be found.
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  They want to fly under the radar, they don't want to be seen, known.
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  Um, and so they're gonna follow much more manipulative tactics that are behind the scenes that allow them to exploit with little consequence.
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  And to have a big scenario like a kidnapping, most people are gonna recognize that they're gonna notice that a person has gone missing, they're gonna notice that a child is gone and they're gonna search for them.
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  Whereas um the reality is a lot of trafficking is happening online and it's happening within families.
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  In fact, studies of cases reported of human trafficking show us that the the number one trafficker, one of the first traffickers a person will have in their life is actually a family member.
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  And there was a smaller study that was done by the Institute for Survivor Care that pooled a bunch of uh survivors to really better analyze okay, who who was their first trafficker and or continued in that trafficking.
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  And it indicated that moms were actually the first trafficker for these individuals, these survivors that had been pooled all across the nation.
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  And so for those of us who are working in the field and looking for solutions and ways that we can really strike at the root of this issue, family health and seeing it in the family unit is key and being able to properly identify it.
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  And again, those could be parents that are experiencing their own brokenness and through that, maybe you know, in their minds, they're like, this was normal.
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  My parents did it to me, or somebody else did it to me.
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  I was gonna ask that it's a generation.
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  I mean, like poverty, it tends to be generational, you know.
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  That's what you grow up with.
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  You go get food stamps, you go to the, you do this, you file for a you know, a section eight, you know, that's just not it's just what they learned.
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  So this is it seems like this is um, you know, this is what my mom did.
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  Now I'm doing that with my kids, and they don't even see it as anything, it's just the way of life, a way to survive, right?
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  Absolutely.
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  It can very much become a learned behavior in that.
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  And so um that is that is uh certainly a big challenge and something that can continue.
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  But all that to say when we start to look for the signs and where is it happening here in the United States, we're not gonna see it most likely happening in um in a Walmart, you know, with people caged or chained, we're not going to see it necessarily like you would in the red light district, even if Thessaloniki or um somewhere in Europe where you have those storefronts or it's much more prominent, it's it's more sinister, it's more hidden here.
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  It's it's impacting people in every layer of society with varying socioeconomic backgrounds, but it's the vulnerable, and that is a key thing.
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  It's often the vulnerable who are being exploited.
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  And when somebody's in a vulnerable state, they're typically not in a state where they're ready to reach out for help or they're ready to sound the alarms or things like that.
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  And so traffickers are manipulating those who are already hurting and just driving it um, even driving that hurt and pain even further so that um these individuals stay in that silence.
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  And when you define trafficking, um, it's really about control and you're you're saying it it's control and selling or using someone for financial gain.
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  Yeah.
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  Is that how we're defining it pretty much regardless of whether it's family or a storefront or anything else?
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  Yeah.
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  So human trafficking, that's a that's a great question.
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  What is what are we talking about when we talk about human trafficking?
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  So one of three things has to be present for a case to be considered human trafficking, and that is forced fraud or coercion.
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  If forced fraud and coercion are present with the intent to um exploit somebody through sex or commercial, uh, I'm sorry, through for sex or um labor.
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  Yeah, so if forced fraud or coercion are present in uh a situation where somebody is being sold for sex or um exploited for free labor, you then have a case of human trafficking.
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  Now, there is a difference when it comes to children.
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  With children, forced fraud or coercion uh does not have to be present actually.
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  Uh, if a child is engaged in any type of commercial sex act, uh, that is automatically deemed a case of sex trafficking that would be involving a child.
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  So that is important because that means that any exchange of goods, whether that's tickets to a dance, clothing, makeup, any exchange of an item, product or whatever could be considered that currency that commercializes a sex act that a child may be involved in.
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  And that then makes it um again, human trafficking that or sex trafficking that would be involving a minor.
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  Um, so yeah, when we talk about human trafficking, we're looking for forced fraud and coercion um in the realm of of sex or uh exploited labor.
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  Now, how do oh go ahead, Steph?
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  So many questions.
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  I my mind is just you know, spinning here.
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  And I'm thinking I keep on going thinking about all the stuff coming out about the upstream files and you know, this whole idea behind pizza gate and whatnot.
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  Is that I'm just curious in your world, haven't been a part of this for so long.
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  Is that something that you were familiar with that was actually happening, or was that beyond what you typically see?
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  Yeah, so with Greenlight Operation, we're focused in the state of Pennsylvania, and uh we work to educate, provide advocacy, restorative care to survivors and are launching into sustainability.
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  So these are things, of course, that we um we read, we're aware of are they situations that we have directly worked with?
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  Um no, they're not.
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  But as we're seeing even develop this week with the Epstein files, the the consistent reality is is that buyers and sellers are are coming from a variety of backgrounds, some that are in sit seats of power, others who maybe you know are not individuals that we would pay much attention to, but it is riddled in every layer of society.
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  Um to give you a story here.
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  We were working with an agency in Northern Pennsylvania.
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  And this was a few years ago.
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  And they had a gal who had um they they were providing some support services too.
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  And she was sharing her story a bit.
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  And she noted that she would get dropped off at a street corner every every night.
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  She would have to walk into the local hotel.
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  And on that path that she would walk just from the corner into the hotel, she would pass a police station.
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  And they asked her.
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  They said, why didn't you ever just run into that police station and ask for help?
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  You know, there's no way that the trafficker would have been able to catch up with you there, or um, you know, what what prevented you from doing that?
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  And she said, I didn't feel safe in doing that because half of the people in that police station were my clients.
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  And that was a reality for us that trafficking can hit at every layer of society, even those who are supposed to be upholding the law and enforcing it as well.
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  Wow.
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  It's just um astounding.
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  You know, I think the key with this conversation, we're only we need to take a break here soon, but people need to be aware.
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  Um, you know, the Epstein files are one thing that we have out here on this big, you know, involves this person.
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  People will never meet, people will never see.
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  Um, you know, just because someone's in a picture with somebody doesn't mean they're a sex trafficker.
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  Um, what we need to, and what I hope we can come back on is what to be aware of and what to look at in our own communities.
• 21:33
  Yeah, in our own communities.
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  Yeah, I I think the files have probably woken a lot of people to where maybe we are able to recognize it more and and do take action, take action on behalf of all the children out there who need us right.
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  Okay, welcome back.
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  And uh Jordan, um, gosh, I like I'm really struggling with this conversation today for some reason.
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  I I'm not sure why.
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  Um just so much to unravel here because how I mean, how long do we think this has been going on?
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  Has this just gone on since the dawn of time?
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  Has it gotten worse?
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  You know, in the last 20, 30 years.
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  Do we know those numbers?
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  Do we know how long Epstein and his crew have been working?
• 26:44
  Like I like I had so many questions.
• 26:47
  Yeah, it's certainly one that it goes back, you know, really in the beginning of history.
• 26:52
  Um, yeah, it's it's a very, very ancient ancient crime.
• 26:57
  Uh, you know, that's I and again, I keep saying this.
• 27:00
  The Epstein thing is like out here.
• 27:02
  I mean, it's terrible.
• 27:04
  We should find out.
• 27:05
  I worked for the Salvation Army for many years, and they have a fairly robust um effort in this in cities, you know, in dealing, they have welcome centers, just trying to build a relationship with the women and so forth.
• 27:17
  So exactly like you had said, Jordan, so that they find somewhere safe to go.
• 27:22
  And seeing the people and things that came in, you know, I I wasn't a social worker.
• 27:26
  This is always happened of children and so forth being exploited.
• 27:30
  I think one group that is particularly vulnerable, and we've heard this numerous times, um, are those in foster care and who age out of foster care um or seem to don't have any stable family situation because they don't they go to this as a financial, they either go willingly or they get addiction issues and um it just snowballs.
• 27:51
  Do you have do you see that as a kind of that's a marker of where a lot of this is those those kind of kids aging out of foster care or in foster system?
• 27:59
  Yeah, there's certainly a portion that are involved in that.
• 28:03
  And so um, yeah, whether those are parents like you noted that are not in it for the right reasons or youth who do not have the support structure and system in place to maybe recognize when somebody is manipulating them.
• 28:16
  Um, you know, when I when I think of what are the vulnerabilities that can cause a person to be trafficked.
• 28:23
  Now, it doesn't mean if a person falls in this vulnerability, it's 100% going to happen.
• 28:27
  But some of these vulnerabilities could include um uh substance abuse or substance abuse by a caregiver.
• 28:34
  It could include um, of course, poverty, homelessness, instability in relationships.
• 28:40
  You also have things like um, oh goodness, it was a few few years ago, the um National Center for Missing and Exploited Children noted that one in six runaway youth within the first 48 hours of running away, one in six of those runaway youth would be approached by a trafficker within the the first 48 hours.
• 28:59
  Now, that might be a little bit more of a dated statistic, but it's still that concept concept that these traffickers, they they pick up on those vulnerabilities quickly and they manipulate, and you certainly have many of those those vulnerabilities that are present within the foster youth um demographic.
• 29:16
  How did how do they recognize these runaways?
• 29:21
  I mean I'm not gonna recognize a child, you know, that has just run away.
• 29:28
  I don't think I would.
• 29:29
  Like, how are they doing this?
• 29:30
  They're professionals, Stephanie.
• 29:32
  That's their their job.
• 29:34
  But like what are the signs?
• 29:36
  Like, how do we?
• 29:37
  I I don't know.
• 29:38
  I just I just need to see her and take it all in and go throw up afterwards.
• 29:43
  Uh yeah, no, but you asked a very vital question.
• 29:45
  How can we recognize those signs?
• 29:47
  I mean, if if we in society who are intending good and want to do good, want to be as swift to recognize these vulnerabilities and approach it with more of those solutions and help and resources rather than.
• 30:00
  Than exploitation.
• 30:02
  Really, so much of it boils down to people want what is this complex solution to ending human trafficking?
• 30:08
  Well, we talked about one already, and that is stop consuming it.
• 30:12
  Um, stop consuming it through pornography, stop looking for um purchasing individuals for pleasure or um, or for for free labor.
• 30:22
  Um, you know, so that that again, that demand side is one.
• 30:26
  But the other is just simply being a good neighbor and um being somebody who is loving others, who is seeing the hungry and feeding the hungry, who is helping to provide clothing for those in need of that, where they recognize that there is a neighbor in need and they themselves, or maybe as um within their church settings or civic club or something like that, are responding to that.
• 30:49
  They're they're actually removing some of the vulnerabilities and that exists to lead somebody into trafficking.
• 30:55
  And so um, so those are some solutions that, you know, is it gonna solve everything?
• 31:00
  No, but it is going to reduce a lot of those vulnerabilities.
• 31:04
  But then to being aware of the signs.
• 31:06
  What are we looking for when it comes to trafficking?
• 31:09
  You're a lot of us might think we're going to see trafficking through a person who is doing the help sign that has become really popular, something like that.
• 31:19
  And that's not to say that that is not helpful.
• 31:22
  Um, it is, but traffickers are also aware of it, and they're gonna manipulate that too.
• 31:27
  I have heard of other scenarios where people think they're gonna recognize it through like bedsheets hanging out of attics or seeing um, you know, just again, more of those movie type situations, but we're actually gonna learn more about a person in a hurt situation just through life and relationship.
• 31:45
  And society we have seen has become more and more isolated.
• 31:49
  We are not as involved in one another's lives communally, and that comes at a cost.
• 31:54
  And one of those costs is significant isolation that we're seeing in both the mental health crisis that's happening, but also even in identifying some of these um challenges that a person may be facing.
• 32:05
  And so, with that, you know, things like uh, what are the signs?
• 32:10
  You're looking for somebody who doesn't have a good support community, maybe someone who does show signs, uh, typical signs of what you might see in abuse, you know, they're malnourished, maybe they're really jumpy or they're always accompanied by somebody.
• 32:22
  Maybe their answers are always rehearsed and you ask them something like, Oh, how are you doing?
• 32:26
  You know, and you're in a checkout line and they're kind of looking at the the person that might be with them, or they're shifting their weight back and forth, or maybe you have the opportunity where you're seeing this person regularly and you do start to notice their appearances changing and not for the good, they're becoming more and more unhealthy withdrawn.
• 32:43
  But maybe instead of just letting that person pass by again, you ask them, How are you?
• 32:48
  You know, are you doing okay?
• 32:49
  And we we facilitate that conversation and we even go further and ask, are you safe?
• 32:54
  Um, some of those questions, a person might not be willing to answer it right away because they want to know that you're, you know, someone like they can trust and they're not going to get in trouble for sharing something like this.
• 33:06
  That can end up hurting them even more.
• 33:08
  But if you're willing to be that good neighbor or see those signs and call it in, um, those can all be things that uh certainly help in recognizing trafficking and uh supporting and assisting a person.
• 33:23
  Um I my husband and I serve in in the church setting, and we've had individuals who have submitted, you know, things like prayer requests and said, I'm a victim of human trafficking.
• 33:36
  In fact, I still have a prayer card that was submitted many years ago that I keep on the mirror in my bedroom as a reminder every morning.
• 33:43
  Um, that those who are being trafficked can be in our midst and we don't always realize it.
• 33:49
  Um we've had individuals who have come to church services and come forward and they said, I didn't know where else to go.
• 33:55
  My trafficker is actually here in this room, but I need help.
• 34:00
  And are we gonna be ready to respond to that person or are we gonna be so unaware that you know we miss the moment?
• 34:08
  And so we do have some really key resources on our website at Greenlight Operation.org.
• 34:13
  If anyone wants to read up on those signs, what to do, how to safely approach it too, because you unless you're a police officer listening to this, you're not law enforcement.
• 34:22
  So you want to take the proper approach.
• 34:24
  Um, and so we have resources like the National Human Trafficking Hotline listed on there.
• 34:29
  And in each county, we have a spreadsheet of services available in your region in Pennsylvania as well.
• 34:35
  You mentioned relationships with this, something came into my mind.
• 34:38
  Um, and and I caution because some people try to, I'm gonna go do this, and you know, are looking for things maybe when they don't, I mean, they give a little overzealous.
• 34:47
  Um, but to pay attention, even to what your kids say.
• 34:50
  I remember one time my daughter, they went to public school, um, middle school was telling me another little girl who sat with her on the bus, extremely inappropriate conversation about her family and whatever, to the point, and then she invited my daughter to her house, and I said, No.
• 35:07
  Um, I went to the school and to the guidance counselor, and I said, you know, this may not be anything, but this girl said, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 35:16
  Um, and again, I'm because of my working nonprofit, I'm a mandated reporter.
• 35:20
  I've done some of those kinds of trainings.
• 35:23
  And the school counselor said, I can't talk to you about the situation because it's personal, but I would never in a million years had say your daughter should go to that house, and we're aware of it.
• 35:34
  So I share, so there was uh, and that situation turned out to be true and a horrible situation.
• 35:41
  But I say those are things you can do that I I wasn't getting in the middle of that.
• 35:46
  I wasn't gonna go knock on the door, but I went to where I thought there was a reasonable um place to report to say, are you aware of this?
• 35:55
  Because this doesn't seem right.
• 35:56
  Yeah.
• 35:57
  And um, I think it's sometimes it's that small, and there again, being aware and having those relationships.
• 36:04
  Is that is that oh yeah, Kathy, that that's a fantastic example.
• 36:09
  That that is exactly it.
• 36:11
  Wherever we have those those chains of communication where it's natural to report it um or to um or to get involved, like you said, in a way that is safe, but you're you're not creating your own um situation and outreach that that could be potentially dangerous.
• 36:27
  Um, no, I think that that is that's phenomenal.
• 36:29
  And even things too, where people might um recognize signs of trafficking even while traveling, or uh see a situation they're like, oh, that was really nerve-wracking, and I'm not sure what to do.
• 36:41
  That is where too, um, things like the National Human Trafficking Hotline or calling the local police are so important.
• 36:48
  Um, I I had a colleague a few years ago who worked in Pittsburgh, and she was sitting waiting for public transportation.
• 36:55
  Um, and it was right outside of a really nice hotel.
• 36:58
  And she watched this nicely dressed man come out.
• 37:00
  He had a young child with them, but she was very tattered in appearance and um and the it just didn't match.
• 37:07
  The dynamic was off.
• 37:08
  It wasn't very warm as a father and daughter might be.
• 37:11
  It also didn't seem like if you've ever been a parent to toddlers, it also wasn't quite like that.
• 37:17
  We've had a really rough morning rolling out, and you know, they've decided to pick out their own clothes.
• 37:23
  It it was different.
• 37:24
  It was almost like they didn't know each other.
• 37:25
  There was fear that was present there.
• 37:27
  And so she very discreetly, again, not getting involved directly and becoming um, she was not in that situation where she was putting herself in harm's way, but she's sitting at the bus stop, watching, observing, took discreetly, just took a picture and got the license plate number, waited until they were out of sight, and she called it in and she said, I didn't see a crime happen.
• 37:48
  She said, But what I did see was unsaddling and they're this child, I am not sure if this child is safe.
• 37:54
  Here, here's the make a model of the car, so on and so forth.
• 37:57
  She gives all these details.
• 37:59
  Well, she calls back um a few hours later and said, you know, did anything come of that?
• 38:04
  You know, and sometimes they can't always share, but they were actually very excited to say I mean, sad, but excited that there was something that had occurred here.
• 38:13
  They found that vehicle at another hotel in Pittsburgh, and sure enough, it was linked to a child sex trafficking ring.
• 38:21
  And had she not have felt that, you know, in her gut that there was something off and wrong, and she didn't call that in, who knows how long that would have continued for that child would have continued to be exploited.
• 38:33
  Um, but she very safeful, you know, called it in without approaching the person or you know, questioning the the child in front of him or anything like that, and and they were able to get the help that was needed.
• 38:45
  Wow.
• 38:46
  And and you've um can you share a little bit about what green light is doing, both from the I would assume education and and the helping the people.
• 38:56
  I mean, how many people are you helping at any given time?
• 38:58
  Because getting out of this, I know like abused women, wives, bettered wives, you know, a lot of times that's a financial issue.
• 39:05
  People say, why don't they just leave?
• 39:07
  They don't leave because um they don't have any money and any resources.
• 39:11
  So sometimes that's financial as much as anything else.
• 39:14
  How are you helping these victims?
• 39:16
  You know, maybe share some of the stories you're working with and then what you're doing on the other end to educate people like your us of what to look for.
• 39:23
  That's a that's a big question.
• 39:24
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:25
  So I'll I'll kind of work through our pillars of service and what we do.
• 39:29
  So uh with Greenlight Operation, we launched in 2018, and our heart was to find ways to strategically combat human trafficking and provide restorative care to survivors.
• 39:41
  And so we started first with our education and advocacy branches.
• 39:45
  So my background, uh, I worked in state policy for for quite a few years and have continued in that through my work at Greenlight Operation.
• 39:55
  So we wanted to find ways to intertwine both awareness while also bringing.
• 40:00
  The needed advocacy forward.
• 40:02
  And so Greenlight has trained thousands of individuals throughout the state and even out of state at this point about what human trafficking is, science to look for, how to get involved.
• 40:10
  And it's really beautiful and fun to kind of see what are some of the weirdest seminars in a way that you can do.
• 40:17
  And a very unique one lately has been working with our financial institutions.
• 40:21
  This is a crime that is that flourishes in money.
• 40:25
  And so if we can really strike it where it hurts for them, um, that is that, you know, that's something that we get a little giddy about.
• 40:33
  Um, and so what we'll do is maybe train a financial institution, train their front end staff on science to look for while also training those who are looking at more of the accounts and money trends and what to flag and in doing things like that.
• 40:46
  We have actually seen um, even within a 24 hour period, reports that have come forward and accounts that have been flagged.
• 40:53
  Similarly, when we're in schools, it is not uncommon within about a day or two for students to come forward and file a report because they feel seen, they feel heard, they feel empowered to do that.
• 41:04
  Um, does it mean that suddenly trafficking was present there?
• 41:08
  No, it means it was there all along, but that person never felt like they had an opportunity to come forward.
• 41:14
  And so it's unique in that our education and advocacy has actually led to quite a few intervention efforts where we're able to bring police into the situation, file those reports, and then our team has worked very closely then with those individuals who come forward and we help get them the resources that they're seeking.
• 41:33
  Um, whether that is resources and shelter and housing, resources and counseling or legal support.
• 41:39
  And we try to serve as a connection point to what that looks like.
• 41:44
  And so we have served, oh goodness, probably over probably over 40 survivors through that referral process because again, our education has taken us all throughout the state.
• 41:57
  And then in that time frame, we were also working to um create a restorative care program and model as well as prepare a home that would be able to not only provide safe housing to survivors, but also a structured program that we have different licensed elements even within it.
• 42:17
  But this program that would last for 12 to 18 months, uh removing one of the major barriers for survivors and getting the help that they need, and that is housing.
• 42:26
  But when you've gone through something like human trafficking, that is just impacted you at every layer of your life and has maybe stripped so many of the dreams away from you.
• 42:39
  It has stripped your self-identity away from you.
• 42:42
  Um, you're just in survival mode.
• 42:44
  It's not gonna get fixed quickly.
• 42:47
  Um, this is something that takes time.
• 42:49
  And so we we are committed to partnering with survivors for about 12 to 18 months longer if needed, um, maybe in a different capacity outside of the housing.
• 42:59
  But um we provide everything from well, let me first share our restorative care model is in three phases.
• 43:06
  So when a person comes in, we want to help them stabilize and feel safe and just get to a state.
• 43:11
  Can I ask a quick question?
• 43:12
  When you mentioned survivors, are these people that are being referred to you primarily right?
• 43:19
  So forth.
• 43:19
  Okay.
• 43:20
  Yeah, it's a mix of self uh self-referrals.
• 43:22
  So survivors themselves who reach out for help.
• 43:24
  Sometimes it's police contacts.
• 43:26
  We do sit, uh, we are one of the vetted and approved agencies on the Dauphin County Human Trafficking Task Force.
• 43:32
  So that's a pipeline of referrals.
• 43:34
  Um, and we have a few others.
• 43:36
  Just again, what was great was in that education advocacy stage, we were able to build a lot of um network and connection points in those years leading up to the home's launch.
• 43:47
  And so uh, but yeah, so with that, really the heart and the intent is how can we help a survivor stabilize?
• 43:53
  How can we help her dream again?
• 43:55
  How can we help her accomplish the goals that maybe she has long forgotten?
• 43:59
  But now that those she's in a safe place, she's she's thinking about those again and and we want to help her get there, but we want to equip her along the way with um the mental health care that she is gonna need.
• 44:11
  So we work with a licensed counselor, we do um group and individual therapy and then life skills coaching.
• 44:18
  So, how are we building those blocks for her in a way that allows for um that ongoing healing, but also uh helping her get to a stage where she's ready to live on her own.
• 44:31
  And so we are very excited.
• 44:33
  We announced uh just a few months ago, we are partnering with uh Worthwhile Thrift and opening a thrift store actually in our area.
• 44:41
  And that will lead to one of our final branches of service.
• 44:44
  I say final, who who knows what the Lord will open next, but uh we've got education advocacy, restoration, and sustainability.
• 44:51
  And that sustainability piece is key and that this is going to help survivors and that economic empowerment piece and and get a job.
• 44:59
  Um Worthwhile has modeled this for years.
• 45:02
  They have three active stores.
• 45:04
  This is their first partner store.
• 45:05
  So they will own and operate it while those that we serve have an opportunity to get full-time employment while they're there and practice those skills that they are learning.
• 45:15
  So we want everything that is being taught and learned to be practically applied so that when they graduate, then they have not only all these skills in this learning, but um then to opportunity for independence.
• 45:28
  So they won't be left without a bunch of resources or contacts, they will be meeting wonderful people along the way that will in a way serve as their village once they graduate from the home, um, whether that's agencies or individuals.
• 45:40
  Can you share how many of these women have like children that they're also trying to care for?
• 45:48
  And how does that complicate the situation?
• 45:51
  Yeah, it is tough in that.
• 45:54
  So we have had a lot of women who have had children or have children, I should say.
• 45:58
  They have children, but custody has been removed due to maybe the trafficker is the parent, uh, one of, you know, of course, one of the parents, or um in their exploitation, they have incurred various, you know, a lengthy criminal record.
• 46:14
  Um, these are all elements that can cause them to lose custody of their children.
• 46:18
  And so part of our programming, even is through case management, we're assessing, you know, are they are they taking the right steps where they're becoming a stabilized and safe parent with the goal of if if that is the case, how can we seek reunification in these instances?
• 46:34
  Um, right now, our restoration home is not a uh it wouldn't be safe because it's a group home living setting for children to be on site at that time.
• 46:44
  Um, so we as a team have have, you know, we are we think through creative ways that we can work through different things, I will say.
• 46:52
  Um, but the reality is the women that we have engaged with that do have children have lost custody of their children.
• 47:00
  And so to be able to help them get to a healthy place where they can reunify and be that healthy parent for their child, that that is a beautiful goal that we've we've been working toward.
• 47:12
  Can you share a story?
• 47:13
  I mean, I I'm one of those people identify how like Jesus talked in parables, a story that sticks with you one, you know, that's something either whether it was a success or you know, not so much.
• 47:24
  Um, just you know, this looks like from start to finish and something that you can share.
• 47:29
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 47:31
  So um, so one thing to note so the restoration home, it was a three-year renovation and preparation process.
• 47:38
  And we just opened doors um actually at the start of 2026 when we accepted our first resident.
• 47:45
  But even in that time frame, while she has been present, um she she shared with our team, she said, this is the first time in years I've been able to sleep through the night and I have felt safe.
• 47:57
  She said, This is the first time in years that I've laughed.
• 48:01
  Um, something that we take for granted, just laughter and joy.
• 48:05
  Um, we have amazing volunteer coaches who get trained in trauma-informed care and they serve throughout throughout the week and um help in the life skills coaching, but just being a healthy and a safe presence throughout the day, supporting those that we care for.
• 48:22
  Well, sometimes that can come in the way of maybe playing a game together.
• 48:25
  And let's, you know what?
• 48:26
  You had a really long um day, you were working through some counseling sessions.
• 48:30
  Let's decompress a bit.
• 48:32
  And our coaches are wonderful and that they will find ways to decompress.
• 48:35
  Well, they were playing a game, and we just heard the most beautiful laughter that was coming out of uh that space as she was laughing.
• 48:44
  And uh, and they were having so much fun together.
• 48:47
  But what then kind of gets you in um can really choke you up is she then went on to share.
• 48:54
  She said, I have not laughed like this in years.
• 48:57
  And so to think about even just those little life moments of laughing, of sleeping, of not waking up wondering where you're gonna get food throughout the day, these are all things that a restoration home is able to provide so that uh the survivors are able to not to exit survival mode and start to thrive.
• 49:18
  And we can see them get that independence.
• 49:20
  And so um we have seen beautiful victories from education leading to individuals leaving their trafficker, getting the help that they need.
• 49:30
  Um, but we're excited to see how how the Lord is really going to work through the restoration home for us to see women that have sustained freedom that moves forward.
• 49:40
  So yeah, I mean, just even in this month, we've seen so much growth actually that has taken place and uh beautiful moments that we've shared.
• 49:48
  I um how can people help Greenlight?
• 49:51
  And I want to just caution here because I was thinking as you were talking, you mentioned something about trauma informed training.
• 49:56
  And so yeah, again, when I worked at the Salvation Army, this became like the
• 50:00
  Thing that people wanted to do.
• 50:02
  You know, they'd call up, I want to volunteer in human trafficking.
• 50:05
  And I'd say, well, we don't really want you, we just didn't take volunteers to do that.
• 50:11
  Um, would you like to help in the food pantry?
• 50:13
  No, I want to do this.
• 50:14
  Um, it is something you need to be trained and you don't just I always call it, I I've done a presentation numerous times.
• 50:22
  Charity, it's all about me.
• 50:24
  Um, like I don't want to help in the food pantry, but I want to go out and see people on the street.
• 50:32
  Okay, no, you're not doing that, ma'am.
• 50:34
  But um, you know, can you just it's a very real challenge.
• 50:38
  I mean, they saw this was the thing they always wanted to like the new college graduates.
• 50:42
  I want to do an anti.
• 50:43
  I'm like, no, no, no, no.
• 50:45
  Can you share what people can do to help you?
• 50:47
  Absolutely.
• 50:48
  And you know, I was one of those at one point coming out of college.
• 50:51
  And I was like, please, usually let me do this.
• 50:54
  And so I have grace for that, but there's a process, absolutely.
• 50:58
  Um individuals can serve with us in a variety of ways.
• 51:03
  Actually, if you go to greenlightoperation.org and go to our volunteer tab.
• 51:07
  Um, we we've laid out a variety of areas that people can serve within.
• 51:11
  Um, whether that is maybe you're somebody who loves organizing events and decorating or bringing people together around events.
• 51:17
  We have a lot of people.
• 51:18
  We have great events.
• 51:19
  I went to one of your events um that you had people survivors tell their stories.
• 51:24
  It's very impactful.
• 51:25
  So good job.
• 51:26
  So go ahead.
• 51:27
  Thank you.
• 51:27
  I I'm grateful to hear that.
• 51:29
  Yes, we we have a beautiful gala every year, a 5K and events throughout that.
• 51:34
  Maybe you're gifted in that or photography and marketing and you want to help share the stories of individuals and get the word out there.
• 51:40
  We can certainly use those skills.
• 51:42
  Now, for somebody who is like, I really am passionate and want to work with survivors eventually.
• 51:48
  What I would say is apply and be committed to walking through the process to get there.
• 51:54
  Because we have to, it's our job to safeguard those that we care for to make sure that those who are in their lives are consistent and safe individuals.
• 52:03
  Um, and so if you're saying, yes, I'm feeling called to this, I'm willing to do the hard work to make this happen.
• 52:10
  Um, then I would just ask that you'd be willing to go through the training.
• 52:13
  Let us know.
• 52:13
  Don't let it deter you from getting involved, but know that there is a process for a reason to keep those we care for very safe.
• 52:20
  Um, but we also have grounds maintenance that needs done.
• 52:23
  So maybe you're a guy and you're like, I don't know where to get involved or how to get involved with this.
• 52:27
  Men, we need you.
• 52:28
  We need you in education.
• 52:30
  We need you at community events, we need you at um in maintenance areas.
• 52:35
  All that to say if there's a passion and desire to get involved, apply on our website.
• 52:39
  We would love to find the right seat on the bus for you and work with.
• 52:42
  Yeah.
• 52:43
  And give you money because this is not uh something that is without cost.
• 52:47
  Absolutely.
• 52:48
  It's a 236 billion dollar criminal industry to fight it and restore those who have been hurt by it does cost money.
• 52:54
  And so if you feel on your heart led to give, we would be grateful for that.
• 52:58
  And that will support um our work to prevent and combat trafficking and bring restorative care to survivors.
• 53:04
  Thank you so much, Jordan.
• 53:06
  This was absolutely amazing.
• 53:08
  You know, I really hope with the awareness that is happening right now that more people are paying attention, taking action and supporting organizations so that they can change right where they're at.
• 53:20
  I mean, Kathy, let's face it, our biggest change happens where we live.
• 53:24
  Um, conversation to conversation with uh with our friends, with our community.
• 53:30
  And I hope this gives people information that can guide them towards that because this is this is serious.
• 53:36
  And I think the whole US of A is waking up to the seriousness of what is happening.
• 53:43
  I and there again, I can't hesitate.
• 53:45
  And she said it numerous times, it's about relationships and getting to know people.
• 53:49
  I can't tell you the number of times during my time at the Salvation Army when a child said something in a youth program or said something to that somebody, an adult, a volunteer, a staff member was like, you know, that is there's something wrong there.
• 54:03
  There's something, and a lot of times that was the case.
• 54:06
  Sometimes it wasn't, but it was enough.
• 54:08
  You have to be aware.
• 54:09
  I was at the bank one day, and there was a man and a young woman, and she just seemed, and he he was getting her to give away or to take out money, and he said how he was her father.
• 54:19
  It every fiber in my being was like, this is not right.
• 54:21
  And the girl was, they walked out and I sit through the bank's death and said something was seriously wrong there.
• 54:26
  Just, I mean, he was there was something not right.
• 54:29
  And I told the bank staff, someone needs to check into that.
• 54:32
  You have to, you again, you don't go do it yourself.
• 54:35
  I didn't go follow the car, but I said alerted the people who knew who they were because they had access to the accounts, the information.
• 54:42
  Now, what they did with it, I don't know.
• 54:44
  But you have to just be in tune and aware.
• 54:46
  And the only way you can be aware is if you're involved in being cordial and having relationships with other people in a positive way.
• 54:53
  Yeah.
• 54:54
  And just where you are, you don't have to go save people somewhere else.
• 54:59
  Like work in your own community.
• 55:01
  How often?
• 55:02
  I mean, I'm just curious, Kathy.
• 55:03
  How often would you hear something when you're working?
• 55:07
  I mean, I mean, you heard it a lot.
• 55:08
  I mean, I'm not a social worker, I was the fundraising person, but for you as a fundraising person, that's yeah, you heard these stories all the time.
• 55:16
  But I use that example of my own child on the bus and went into the school.
• 55:20
  Um, later, that child was removed from that home and moved away.
• 55:24
  I mean, I don't know what happened, but there was a legitimate now again, the school was on top of it.
• 55:29
  Teachers are very excellent resources because they see my daughter's a teacher.
• 55:34
  Um, they see things, you know, they see what kid doesn't have food in the weekend just by the way the kids are and are great resources to say something's not right here.
• 55:43
  Um, your children, uh, I had another little girl that was my daughter's friend.
• 55:48
  She was watching extremely inappropriate movies because she would hear about it.
• 55:51
  I was like, there's something not right there.
• 55:53
  You have to be attuned to it.
• 55:54
  And then, you know, cat make an inquiry.
• 55:58
  You don't go have to go to the police station and report it, but you have to um be aware.
• 56:03
  And the only way you can be aware is if you're involved in other people's lives.
• 56:07
  And, you know, and that's what you have to do.
• 56:09
  But it it was shocking.
• 56:11
  Um, the number of times, and again, it's like she said, I I read a book, it's called Rabbit.
• 56:16
  I highly recommend it.
• 56:18
  You think how do people get in these lifestyles?
• 56:20
  It's very raw, it's very dark.
• 56:22
  The language is horrible.
• 56:24
  It's someone who explains she was her issue.
• 56:26
  I'd encourage people to read it because it's life-changing to say this is how they get in these situations and the generational because it's so foreign maybe to how we live.
• 56:35
  Right.
• 56:35
  Yeah, because I do talking to her, I feel like I live in a bubble and I'm just oh flabbergasted.
• 56:40
  And I think this just demonstrates everything that we say every single week.
• 56:43
  I want people to reach out to Greenlight Operation and give them support some way, somehow, you know, whether it's raking some leaves or you know, $10, whatever it is, because wherever you are to the extent that you are able, we have to stand up, step forward and speak out.