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- 0:00Hello and welcome to another episode of the Profitable Christian Business Podcast.
- 0:04I'm your host, Doug Greathouse, and today's guest is James Williams.
- 0:07James is an author, podcaster, YouTuber, speaker, and creator of dark waters.
- 0:13James has built his work around bold conversations about faith, spiritual warfare, biblical worldview, supernatural encounters, and obedience to God.
- 0:21What really stood out to me before this interview wasn't simply the subjects James talks about.
- 0:25It's the way he describes his relationship with God in business.
- 0:30James intentionally gives roughly two and a half hours of his day to prayer and scripture.
- 0:35He describes God as his business partner, and he believes Christian observers can build what he calls business altars.
- 0:40Businesses where God's presence and biblical principles shape the way we are served, led, and impacted.
- 0:47He's also stepped into assignments that stretched him far outside his comfort zone from building AI tools for his church, participate participating in a biblical worldview debate
- 0:55despite having no previous debate experience.
- 0:58Today we're going to talk about what it means to truly partner with God in business, how to discern his direction when there is no roadmap, how to build businesses that become
- 1:05places of spiritual influence, how to trust God when obedience takes you somewhere you don't feel qualified to go.
- 1:10James, welcome to the Profitable Christian Business Podcast.
- 1:14I'm happy to be here with you, Doug, man.
- 1:15It's been great getting to know you and talking to you a little bit.
- 1:18I'm excited about what we're gonna peel back some of the layers of the onion, man.
- 1:22I think it's gonna be fun.
- 1:23I really think it's gonna be fantastic.
- 1:25Amen.
- 1:26Amen to that.
- 1:26So we had a previous conversation for all the listeners.
- 1:30I like to do like a fifteen minute kind of getting to know you call before we ever um have this call so that I get to know the guests.
- 1:37And one of the things a lot of the things that we're going to discuss are things that James brought up to me on or on that call.
- 1:44James, you brought you mentioned the on that call that uh you get up at three AM sometimes to pray.
- 1:50Yes.
- 1:50Yeah, absolutely.
- 1:53so for a Christian, we when people in the Kingdom of Darkness, they call the three AM hour the witching hour, right?
- 2:02For us, it's the hour of mystery.
- 2:04And it's the it's the transition from when um when night is turning into day.
- 2:10So you're when you're up at three AM and you're praying, you're actually meeting the day.
- 2:15We see the counterfeit versions of this kind of from the
- 2:19esoteric uh movements, the stuff stolen from the Bible where people say stuff like command your morning, right?
- 2:27They'd be like, Did you command your morning?
- 2:28Were you up at 5 a.m.
- 2:30and you should command your morning, right?
- 2:32And they'll tell you, get up in the morning and, you know, start your work at 5 a.m.
- 2:36and start whatever, drink your coffee at 5 a.m.
- 2:39or start your workout at 5 a.m.
- 2:41Well for us, it's starting our day with the Lord.
- 2:43So we spare our day spending time in prayer.
- 2:45And if you go into the Bible, you see where Jesus
- 2:47would leave out from his disciples and early in the morning he would wake up and pray because what Jesus was doing was he was getting the download of what he was supposed to do
- 2:56for that day early in the morning.
- 2:58And so I don't do it every morning, but there are mornings where I know I have to do it.
- 3:04And so um God has given me certain signs in my life to where I know, okay, well something's going on.
- 3:09I need to be up at that hour.
- 3:11It's called the gates of prayer.
- 3:13Just for those of you guys who are Christian businessmen.
- 3:15Um
- 3:16There's the 12 midnight gate, which is the gate of legislation.
- 3:19There's the 12 noon gate, which is the hour of judgment.
- 3:22There's the six PM gate, which is the hour of communion.
- 3:25There's the nine PM gate, which is the hour of mercy.
- 3:28And then you go into the threes, um, three a.m.
- 3:32mystery, three p.m.
- 3:35mercy, uh, I hit six, I hit nine.
- 3:39Yeah.
- 3:39And you hit the dare those are the gates of prayer.
- 3:42Those are times where um
- 3:45where you can go into prayer.
- 3:47And as a businessman, I tell you people find it hard to believe that my day revolves around prayer.
- 3:55Um, and it took a long time for me to get to that point.
- 3:59But once you come to the understanding that if your day revolves around the Lord, everything will be sustained.
- 4:05So like I I'll the let's say there I don't allow myself to schedule an interview at twelve noon.
- 4:11At twelve noon and three PM
- 4:13There's nothing ever scheduled.
- 4:14So from 12 to 1, that block is cut off.
- 4:17From three to four, that block of time is cut off.
- 4:20Um, and then the half hour of prayer can come anytime throughout the rest of the the day.
- 4:27You know, it could just be I'm sitting there um working on my computer and I'll be sitting there praying as I'm working.
- 4:32And it's important that we dedicate time to the Lord in prayer because as my business partner, that's how I get leadership and guidance.
- 4:39For example, I'm tired today.
- 4:41So I know when I'm tired, I know to praise and worship the Lord because I know as I praise and worship him and sing to him, instantly my spirit is refreshed.
- 4:49And you learn those kind of things from having what I like to call a business altar to the Lord, where he's your business partner.
- 4:56So you learn how to engage with him throughout your business day.
- 5:00And that engaging with him throughout your business day therefore makes it easier for you to engage with him in a time of need, in a time of fear.
- 5:09And a time of anxiety because you have a relationship where you know he answers those prayers.
- 5:13So for us businessmen who are Christian businessmen, we have a unique advantage if we carve out the time of the day for the Lord.
- 5:21And I know it's hard because there's a lot of things that need to be done.
- 5:24But I'll tell you, Doug, what happened for me was as I started to carve time out for him, he started to give me systems that gave me more time.
- 5:32And it's been beautiful because technically I could literally at this point, if I wanted to, I could spend six hours a day with him.
- 5:38Because he gave me a system that allows me to do stuff so quickly that I don't have anything else to do throughout the day.
- 5:44It's just me kind of like taking my time, doing this, doing that, going a little bit slower.
- 5:49Um, but he gave me a system that made it a lot easier for.
- 5:53That there there's so many things that I I want to pick up from everything everything you just said, including going back to the hours of prayer.
- 5:59I want to or the it's gates of prayer is what you called it.
- 6:02Uh I want to dive into that, but first I want to kind of go into something you just said because I know this is something that every business person that's listening to this right
- 6:10now is kinda like, Okay, that all sounds good, right?
- 6:14Um, but I yeah, I'm just I'm just overwhelmed, right?
- 6:17Where do I and and I'm just gonna precede this because I I I kinda know where where
- 6:22I I think you're gonna go, but maybe you're not.
- 6:24Um it's having not enough faith, right?
- 6:29If we think that um it's his time, it's not our time, right?
- 6:34He controls the time.
- 6:35So if we're if we're praying that we're we're overwhelmed and we don't have time for the for the Lord, I mean, what is that, right?
- 6:42Um He's gonna get it kind of like He did for you.
- 6:45He gave you back your time.
- 6:46He's in control of it.
- 6:48So if you could just dive into a little bit more on that.
- 6:51Okay.
- 6:52so everything in the kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and God is about sacrifice.
- 6:58And how do we know it's about sacrifice?
- 6:59Because Jesus was a sacrifice on a cross for us, right?
- 7:03So your time is a sacrifice.
- 7:06And so I sacrifice my time to spend with him.
- 7:10But this is an understanding.
- 7:12The Bible says, Bring forth to me my saints, those who make a covenant with me by sacrifice.
- 7:18I'm paraphrasing, but
- 7:19You guys can Google it.
- 7:20I'm close.
- 7:21I'm close.
- 7:21Um, and so my business agreement with him is an agreement of sacrifice.
- 7:28First of all, I sacrifice my time, which is I'm sacrificing of myself.
- 7:32The second sacrifice is that I'm making is the sacrifice of the the fact that I think I know what works and I think I know what's right, right?
- 7:40The sacrifice of what I was called my pride and my ego, thinking I know which direction I should go.
- 7:44Now, believe me and you had this conversation about this, Doug.
- 7:47on our first thing when I was talking about after the debate how I felt.
- 7:50The second thing is, um, the third thing is the sacrifice of my finances and my basically my will is what I'm doing.
- 7:59And so you're gonna have to make a sacrifice.
- 8:01Now, in the context, biblical context of sacrifices, if you go out through the Bible, every time there was a sacrifice, fire came down from heaven.
- 8:08And so you'll see when you make that sacrifice, the Lord responds to that sacrifice.
- 8:14The problem is, um, and I used to be a guy that would work
- 8:1718 hours a day.
- 8:19But it didn't work out well in the end.
- 8:23Cause it wasn't able to be sustained.
- 8:24So I would go through these kind of ups and downs, these waves where it was prosperity and then a crash, and prosperity and a crash, and prosperity and a crash.
- 8:32And so since I've been doing this with the Lord and walking with him this way, everything has been a steadily a steady incline, a level off, where things will level off for me.
- 8:41And then in that leveling off period, I call it a peace period where he's like, okay.
- 8:46We've done this, we've done this, we've done this.
- 8:48These are the things you need to fix before you go to this next level.
- 8:51Excuse me.
- 8:52So he'll show me things about myself, things about my business, things about the way I communicate, and then give me opportunities through people to fix those things.
- 9:01So it was like yesterday I did a consult consultation with a young lady, and she's like, I want to be on social media.
- 9:08And while she was talking, he said, Okay, are you gonna be a coward?
- 9:11Are you gonna tell her the truth?
- 9:12I said, I'm gonna tell her the truth.
- 9:13He said, Tell her the truth.
- 9:14So I told her everything that needed to be done.
- 9:15And when I got through consulting her, I was sitting here and he said, You did a good job.
- 9:20He said, But we're going to work on you being more direct with people because you don't want to hurt their feelings, but they need to know what's going on.
- 9:27So as you go through these waves with him, he's he's fine-tuning your engine for the next level.
- 9:34But it it comes by sacrifice.
- 9:36And the sacrifice of time in prayer allows you to hear him throughout the day, throughout the busy day when things are going crazy.
- 9:45You can hear his leadership and his guidance.
- 9:48For example, when um when I just did this debate, I've never debated before, right?
- 9:55And I'm talking to him about the debate.
- 9:56Lord, do you want me to do this debate?
- 9:58And I'm I'm making sure he's going with me before I even tell the people, yes, I'm like three days.
- 10:02Hey, and you should always understand this when you're in partnership with him, you don't make decisions on your own.
- 10:07Hey, do you want me to do this debate?
- 10:08He don't say nothing.
- 10:09Next day, do you want me to do this debate?
- 10:11He don't say nothing.
- 10:12I okay, well, maybe it's too noisy.
- 10:14I'm too noisy.
- 10:15It's not you.
- 10:15So I wake up at three and I go outside and I sit.
- 10:18I said, okay, it's quiet.
- 10:20There's nothing going on.
- 10:21I'm not distracted.
- 10:22There's nothing.
- 10:23I need to talk to you about this debate.
- 10:25And I'm just talking.
- 10:26Yes, you're going to win.
- 10:30Cause I'm going with you.
- 10:31Once he said he was going with me on the debate, I said, okay, cool.
- 10:33Call the people.
- 10:34Let's go do the debate.
- 10:35You know what I'm saying?
- 10:36Cause I know I always he agreed I won.
- 10:39And I even told people this.
- 10:40It's like I already won a debate.
- 10:41It's like, how you know?
- 10:41Because he agreed.
- 10:43Mm.
- 10:43he going with me and I won.
- 10:45So we're not really worried about it.
- 10:47But then that you go through the work phase of it, right?
- 10:49And the work phase is him telling me, okay, you need to study this, study this.
- 10:53But he fed me all the information I needed to put in my mind.
- 10:57So when I went on the stage, and this think of this debate scenario as you negotiating a contract, as you going in to make a sales pitch.
- 11:05When you work with him, he's gonna give you all the information.
- 11:07And it the way it comes into your brain is it comes as an idea.
- 11:11comes as a concept or come as a little flash of an image of something that you should do.
- 11:15And being in prayer for those hours make me sensitive to where I can know and understand what he's saying.
- 11:22And to get deeper than that, we had to get into how how the spirits actually communicate with people.
- 11:28But i you get to this point to where you have an intimacy with the Holy Spirit, to where you understand what he's saying and you sense what he's saying and you hear what he's
- 11:37saying all the way throughout the the throughout the day.
- 11:40And that makes you kind of a mystery when you walk into a room with men because you understand what they're saying, you understand what they're doing, you see through things
- 11:49and they're like, Well, how do you know that?
- 11:51Because I'm with my spirit, which is the Holy Spirit, and God is with me.
- 11:55I'm not in here by myself.
- 11:57Wow.
- 11:58Um I I think it's gonna be a minute before we get to the get to the question I had about the about the gates of prayer because y you just you just opened up into something else.
- 12:06I wanna pull that thread that you kind of exposed there and that was how like what I'm relating it to is hearing the voice of God, right?
- 12:14Like a lot of people like I don't hear the I don't hear his voice, right?
- 12:18Um or they or they're or they're praying and praying, just waiting, waiting to hear his voice.
- 12:21So um you you said it a little bit in there about how to hear from spirits, right?
- 12:27Um so can you let's go ahead and take that dive.
- 12:30Okay, so number one, in order to hear from the Holy Spirit, you need to you need to have knowledge, right?
- 12:37So knowledge in the Bible is Yada.
- 12:39It's a knowing, and it's knowing by experience.
- 12:43So you know him by experience.
- 12:46And you can look this look up everything I'm saying.
- 12:48Look up knowledge, look up the Hebrew, and it's gonna take you to Yada.
- 12:52And when you get to Yada, it'll say a knowing, experiential knowing uh of the spirit, of of of a spiritual knowing.
- 13:00So you know by experience.
- 13:01This is why the prayer is so important.
- 13:03It has to be your foundation.
- 13:04Because what happens is in a place of prayer, you'll be praying to the Lord and He'll say something.
- 13:09And you'll be That I don't know if that was me or that was Him.
- 13:12Was that my thought?
- 13:13Well, how how can I tell?
- 13:14And in that place, you you you you weed out this lack of understanding of hearing the voice of God.
- 13:22But if you've never went through that process,
- 13:24Then you don't know.
- 13:25So you don't know if it's your flesh speaking.
- 13:27You don't know if it's fear speaking.
- 13:28You don't know if it's anxiety speaking.
- 13:30You don't know if it's the Lord speaking.
- 13:32But I'll tell you how you can easily know what is speaking, it's by studying the word of God.
- 13:37So this is where Bible study comes in and studying the word because you know what God thinks of you.
- 13:41So for example, Psalms one says, Blessed is a man that who walks not in the council of the wicked, nor stand in the way of sinners, nor seat in the seat of the scornful.
- 13:50But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law does he meditate day and night.
- 13:55And it gives you a secret there, right?
- 13:57Blessed is the man who does not do these things, sit in the council of the the wicked, stand in the way of sinners, or sit in the seat of scoffers.
- 14:05So you're not wicked, you're not sinning, you're not sitting in the seat of scoffers, right?
- 14:09But you delight in the law of the law of the Lord, and you meditate on it day and night.
- 14:14So in the context of, and I'm answering your question about how you can hear from the spirit, in the context of.
- 14:20Understanding what the Holy Spirit is saying, it comes from you delighting in his law, delighting in his word, and then meditating on his word.
- 14:29And so as you do that, now you start to feel you become you become to you, it's almost like you start to digest what the Bible says and it becomes a part of you.
- 14:37Um, if I'm not mistaken, yeah, catalabano is what it's called.
- 14:42That's why the Holy Spirit wanted me to look that up.
- 14:45It's called Cantalabano, which means to lay hold of or seize the knowledge of something.
- 14:50So you're laying hold on the word.
- 14:52It's not like you ever been with someone and they say, I'm a Christian, and they'll just spit out spitch scriptures and it's just like dry and it feels like, yeah, they know it,
- 15:01but there's no spirit behind it.
- 15:03That's because they never experienced katalambano, which means they have not seized the word.
- 15:07They have not ex they have not held it and touched it and moved it around and and massaged it to where it became a part of them.
- 15:14Right?
- 15:15But
- 15:15Back to Psalms 1.
- 15:16What Psalms 1 says is once you do these things, you're like a tree planted by the streams of water, which yields fruit in its season, his leaf does not wit wither, and whatever he
- 15:25does prospers.
- 15:26So within the context of understanding, handling scripture in prayer, now what happens when the Holy Spirit starts to talk to you, and another spirit could be your flesh, with
- 15:36which we define flesh as you, it could be doubt, fear, anxiety.
- 15:40Now you know what the Lord says about you.
- 15:43And so you believe what he says about you.
- 15:45And once you have that understanding of what he says, you realize, okay, God ain't saying that I'm afraid because there's no fear in God.
- 15:53God ain't saying that I might lose because he don't lose.
- 15:56God is not saying that they're gonna defeat me because he ain't never been defeated.
- 16:01So now there's this clear dividing line between what you know he says, because you know what he says about you and about himself, and what everything else is saying, what you
- 16:10what the world is saying.
- 16:12And so now that's how you can clarify the voice that you're hearing.
- 16:15The next way that you know that the Holy Spirit speaks is he speaks in little quick flashes of an image.
- 16:21I call them like quick imagination.
- 16:23So you could be sitting here that that in fact it happened earlier before we started this interview.
- 16:29I'm walking around and getting my coffee, I'm doing this, I'm doing that, and he he flashes um a old Bible study slide that I did about um dominion, priesthood, dom
- 16:40priesthood, dominion, and kingship.
- 16:42And he just flashes the big the cover of it.
- 16:45I'm like, okay.
- 16:45So let I go come sit down at my computer, I start scrolling, stop right there.
- 16:49Catalambano.
- 16:50And I was like, I remember Catalambano.
- 16:52That's a point you're gonna need for the day.
- 16:54So I wrote it down on his card.
- 16:56And I was like, anything else?
- 16:57He's like, no, everything else, that's the one thing.
- 16:59And so you as you have this the relationship with him, you understand that that flash of that image means something.
- 17:05Many people experience this where he'll he'll give you flashes or little
- 17:11bits, nuggets of understanding, and people call it a gut feeling.
- 17:15Outside of the Lord, they'll call it a gut feeling.
- 17:17When I was in business, I would without the Lord, I would call it, I got a gut feeling about this guy, you know, and he's this.
- 17:23Well, in his kingdom, it's an unction about a sm situation or a matter.
- 17:28And since I've started working with him this way, now I understand.
- 17:32If you tell me, if he gives me an unction, a feeling, a quick image flash, I respond to it immediately because it's him communicating to me.
- 17:40Now, in a quiet time where it's just nothing going on, I'm not distracted.
- 17:44Then I can sit just sit there and hold a conversation, and then I'll hear his voice saying, Okay, well, this is what you did wrong.
- 17:50This is this, this is this, this is this, this is this.
- 17:52And I'm like, okay, I'm taking notes.
- 17:54And I'm I want to repent because I was afraid of that situation.
- 17:57Um, help me understand how not to be afraid.
- 18:00I help me to do better in this thing.
- 18:02And then it happens.
- 18:04So, yes, the way you hear from spirits is number one, understanding the word of God so you won't be deceived.
- 18:09Number two,
- 18:10Meditating on the word of God because as you meditate, it unfolds itself and you massage and you handle the word of God.
- 18:17And then number three, he'll communicate with like flashes of images and sometimes even an imagination is a vision.
- 18:23So he'll drag you into a vision, like an imagination, which is you know, if you sit in class, ladies and gentlemen, when you were a kid and you got bored, you would daydream,
- 18:33right?
- 18:34You would just sit there and it it's a dream, it's a vision.
- 18:36So you'll be sitting there and just pheom, you're gone into a daydream.
- 18:40That's a vision.
- 18:41We just call them daydreams.
- 18:43If you were had your eyes closed, you will call that a dream or a vision.
- 18:47And so it's those ways that you he communicates with you in business.
- 18:51And it you but you have to spend time with him.
- 18:54Because if you don't spend time with him, all those things can lead to deception and lead to bad decisions.
- 18:59So it it all hinges on the amount of time you're willing to sacrifice to be with him.
- 19:04And that sacrifice is made because you understand that he is God.
- 19:09And that you, if you're gonna come to him, you come to him by faith.
- 19:12And then more importantly, you've got to the point to where you acknowledge that he knows better than you.
- 19:17And that's how come I can do it because I know without a doubt that my God knows more and is better than any his knowledge and wisdom is better than anything I've ever accumulated.
- 19:28So I can I can happily stop what I'm doing.
- 19:31I can happily stop typing and say, Yep, I know what I think is gonna work, but that ain't gonna work.
- 19:36You you know what's gonna work.
- 19:38Work.
- 19:38And if it take two hours for him to tell me, fine.
- 19:41I'll wait.
- 19:42But once you give it to me, once you give me that information, it's gonna work.
- 19:46To the audience.
- 19:48Genesis 1:1.
- 19:49In the beginning, God.
- 19:52And think about everything he created since the beginning.
- 19:55Everything he created works.
- 19:58Everything.
- 19:59Sun still works.
- 19:59The water's still wet.
- 20:00The grass still grows.
- 20:01The trees still grow.
- 20:02Cows still run around outside of Bill Gates messing with him.
- 20:05birds still fly.
- 20:07Everything still does what he intended it to do.
- 20:11And this is your God.
- 20:12So I want to sit down with the one who made everything work.
- 20:16Okay.
- 20:16And I'll I would ask questions like this of him, Doug.
- 20:18I'd be like, yo, and this I talk like sit three AM, yo.
- 20:21I was wondering.
- 20:23When Abraham left Ur, and it was him and his wife, and they were just walking.
- 20:28And wasn't Abraham afraid?
- 20:31You know, what wasn't his wife in his ear like, you got us leaving this city because you heard from this God?
- 20:37And I'll ask him questions like, how did he deal with that?
- 20:40Because the Bible doesn't give us any of that information.
- 20:42And so I'm just sitting there, and this is what intimacy is.
- 20:45Because I'm like, you know, sometimes I feel like him a little bit because you got me going over here doing this, and man, I don't know what I'm doing.
- 20:51You got me running around.
- 20:52You got me running around doing this.
- 20:54And and he'll say, Does it, did it work out?
- 20:57Well, yeah, it worked out.
- 20:58That's how it worked out for Abraham.
- 20:59And I'll be like, well, you know, he the one that sent his wife to go hang out with Pharaoh because he was afraid.
- 21:04Yeah, because he was afraid.
- 21:06Oh, yeah.
- 21:07Like, yeah, you're right, because he was afraid.
- 21:09But it's the intimacy is that.
- 21:12Now, if you can, if, if you can build that level of intimacy with the Lord, then who's going to defeat you in business?
- 21:19What person's gonna out negotiate you?
- 21:21What individual is gonna stop you from getting what the Lord has for you?
- 21:26Nobody's not gonna nobody's gonna stop you.
- 21:28They just can't stop.
- 21:31That is that is so strong.
- 21:32And like to the to the name of this podcast, you want to know how to have a problem Christian business.
- 21:37I I I think James just laid it down right there.
- 21:40Um I I want to tag on to some of what you said though.
- 21:43Um unrepented sin, right?
- 21:47how that can block your communication with God.
- 21:49Um and I I I love what you said because it reminds me also of the um sermon that my pastor just gave this past Sunday was on Malachi.
- 21:58giving your best, right?
- 21:59Your best sacrifice.
- 22:01Like sometimes we think that 15 minute prayer in the morning, that's that's the best, right?
- 22:05Um so uh if you can just dive into a little bit of how um unrepentant sin might block your communication with God.
- 22:16Yeah, let's do that.
- 22:18Let me give you guys one more thing and we'll go to unrepension sin.
- 22:22There's an advantage that I have coming from New Orleans as it pertains to business.
- 22:26And I don't think the average Christian businessman understands this.
- 22:30See, in New Orleans, when you go into a room to do business, there are men who have charms in their wallets.
- 22:37Because they it's a it's a city of voodoo and hoodoo and voodoo.
- 22:40Um Santa Ria's there, everything's there.
- 22:43There's men who have like the lesser keys of Solomon, the keys of Solomon where they prick their fingers and put blood on a seal.
- 22:51And there's men who light candles for business to get money.
- 22:54And so business is more spiritual than you'll ever imagine.
- 22:59And so you're going into a situation as a Christian who w does not pray, who does not have an um, who does not have an altar to prayer.
- 23:08And altar to prayer is a time per day where you pray every day.
- 23:11It's not like a space.
- 23:13You can have a closet.
- 23:13Like this technically, this room that I'm in is my prayer closet, which is like my prayer altar.
- 23:18I come in here to pray, but it's not like an altar where I'm cutting up chickens and birds and stuff, right?
- 23:23It's it's a place where I come to be quiet and pray.
- 23:26But you don't have an altar to prayer where you're praying.
- 23:28And then you walk into a room with a guy who wanted to get a contract, and that's n that last night that guy went and slit the throat of a goat over an altar to get a spirit to go
- 23:38out ahead of him.
- 23:39Yeah.
- 23:39To establish dominion and domination over you as you're going into that meeting.
- 23:43So then you walk into the meeting and everybody ignores you.
- 23:46And I've experienced this in New Orleans.
- 23:49And I'm like, yo, why these people ignore me?
- 23:50This dude don't know what the hell he's talking about.
- 23:52Like he, he, he, he, he ain't never did nothing.
- 23:56I have all the experience.
- 23:57I have this.
- 23:58And then later on, I'll ask somebody, it's like, man, you know, he do that.
- 24:01They'd be like, man, he do hoodoo stuff, man.
- 24:02We cut the roots and this, this, this.
- 24:04I'm like, but it's gonna fail.
- 24:06And sure enough, he gets the contract.
- 24:07The contract fails.
- 24:10Right.
- 24:10But he gets the money and he kind of it's it's wicked because he'll get the money, he'll abuse the money, never do the work, do this, this, this, but he got it, right?
- 24:18So understand as a businessman, going into that environment, you're going into an environment full of spirits.
- 24:25Period.
- 24:27When you go into a when you go, let's say you open a coffee shop business, and it's a Christian coffee shop business, right?
- 24:33You don't have to have crosses all over the wall, you don't have to do none of that, but you're a Christian businessman, right?
- 24:38And
- 24:39What's coming into that shop?
- 24:40Everybody that's carrying spirits on them is coming into the shop.
- 24:44Going back to what Doug was asking about, like sin, iniquity, and transgression of the bloodline.
- 24:48So you're engaging with people who have spirits on them all day long.
- 24:53Some of them have the Holy Spirit, some of them have spirits of competition.
- 24:57Some I call it Absalon, the spirit of Absalom.
- 24:59You're running to him in business, which Absalom was the one that tried to overthrow David's son that tried to overthrow him.
- 25:05And he did all these different things to try and overthrow David.
- 25:08You should study him.
- 25:09The spirit of the orphan spirit, you'll find that in business.
- 25:13Leviathan spirit, you'll find that in business.
- 25:15There's all kind of spirits that you'll find in business.
- 25:18You'll find from the female perspective, you'll find the queen of heaven in business, which is basically Jezebel, where there's a woman that's trying to rule and overthrow and
- 25:26do everything.
- 25:27So you going in there like la da da da dee dee dee.
- 25:30uh whoa, whoa.
- 25:34And they like we're gonna get you.
- 25:37We're gonna rip his head off.
- 25:38ah And you're like, what the hell is this?
- 25:41Instead, when you go in from a place of prayer, you walk in as a lion, and then you see them for who they are.
- 25:49You sit at the table like, this is Jezebel because look how she's behaving.
- 25:52This, this, this is Leviathan, because look at the level of pride.
- 25:55And you understand that okay, that person with the Leviathan spirit, that pride is going to drive them to where they isolate everybody.
- 26:01I really don't have to fight him because he's going to fall on his own.
- 26:03But over here, this Jezebel.
- 26:05It's she's slick, so she's gonna try and turn everybody against me with her words.
- 26:09you'll find the Ahab and Jezebel combination where it's Ahab who's controlled by Jezebel, but Jezebel doesn't have any power, so she's the secretary, and she controls the man of
- 26:20power with her emotions.
- 26:21So now he's coming at you, but it's really you need to take her out.
- 26:24It's all these different things that you'll understand.
- 26:26Now, to get to the iniquity, sin, and transgression, I like to use a ruler.
- 26:30I don't know if this is gonna be a seen on a podcast, but
- 26:33I'll just talk you through it.
- 26:34I'm showing a ruler with four inches, right?
- 26:36And that represents four generations of your family.
- 26:40You'll find that some Christian businessmen don't have many problems because they're a fourth generation Christian businessman, right?
- 26:48Um, and because you're a fourth generation Christian businessman and there's been a culture in your family of tithing, of making sacrifices, of giving, you don't run into
- 26:58many issues.
- 26:58You you actually are having a lot of success, right?
- 27:01Um, that means that.
- 27:03Throughout your family, there's been uh a relationship with the Lord that's been sustained.
- 27:08And so they have success.
- 27:09I've run into men like that.
- 27:11They're on the fourth generation.
- 27:12They don't really even understand how they have the success that they have.
- 27:15They just like, yeah, things go well for me.
- 27:17I never had to deal with a demon.
- 27:18I never had to deal with that.
- 27:19I don't I sleep well at night.
- 27:21And I'm like, okay, tell me about your great grandfather.
- 27:22My great grandfather was a preacher and a businessman and this, and he built churches.
- 27:26Okay.
- 27:27That's that's why you don't have a problem, sir.
- 27:29But they don't, they don't understand.
- 27:31Because they haven't been through like the mud and the muck and the fight.
- 27:34Then there's those of us who, um, generations of our family, we've made mistakes.
- 27:39And this is where the blood of Jesus comes in in business.
- 27:42Now, the Bible says the blood of Jesus um speaks to better things than the blood of Abel, and it blots out ordinances written contrary to us, right?
- 27:52Or yeah, it's ordinances written contrary to us.
- 27:54And so the blood of Jesus, in the context of being the businessman, there may be ordinances written in the spirit realm.
- 28:00By demonic entities.
- 28:01Let's say your your grandfather robbed somebody and then started a business, right?
- 28:08And he robbed them and killed them.
- 28:09He stole the money and then started a business, became a successful businessman.
- 28:12Well, that's blood money that's speaking against him, and that blood money is now speaking against you.
- 28:17And that's an ordinance written in the spirit realm.
- 28:19Thou shalt not kill or commit murder, right?
- 28:22So he murdered somebody, then he stole, then he started a business.
- 28:25So the whole business is built on murder and theft.
- 28:29Those spirits.
- 28:31In the context of business, have um they have dominion over the business that flows through your family.
- 28:38Well, somebody has to go and repent and deal with that.
- 28:41So you go in, you say, Okay, Lord, I found out my great grandfather, like my great uncle, and I give you this personal thing, my great uncle was um a hitman for Bumpy Johnson.
- 28:52So when I found that out, because the Lord kept on telling me, Hey, you got murder in your blood, and I don't know, I don't know.
- 28:56What are you talking about?
- 28:58And
- 28:58My dad came and told me, and so I went to the Lord, said Lord, I want to repent for the murder in my bloodline, the bloodshed.
- 29:03And I went in the prayer.
- 29:06And um, after praying about five minutes, I found myself crying and snotting and realized there was a whole lot more murder in my bloodline than I knew about.
- 29:16But I repented of it, and we were washed clean of that thing.
- 29:21Then I went back to doing what I was doing.
- 29:23So there's gonna be time periods where and this is where the intimacy is very important, ladies and gentlemen.
- 29:27Many times you may be struggling in business because it's not something that you're doing.
- 29:31It's something that has not been addressed.
- 29:33Now, there I naturally I can hear somebody saying, Well, I'm a Christian and I'm absolved of my sins.
- 29:39And so this guy's talking about stuff that my great-great-grandparents did.
- 29:43But when I became a Christian, I was created a new creature and I was washed as clean as snow, white as snow.
- 29:48Yes, you were.
- 29:49Absolutely, you were.
- 29:51But the most important thing is from a business person, you'll understand this is that those were legal.
- 29:56binding agreements that your grandfather, your great grandfather, your great grandmother had with a spirit because of the behaviors that they did.
- 30:03You washed, but that there is still a legal binding agreement.
- 30:09That's no different than um us signing a contract to um let's say it's a toilet tissue contract, right?
- 30:16And and we signed a toilet tissue contract with Yale University.
- 30:21And we signed a contract in nineteen eighty five
- 30:25This is a perpetual contract, nineteen eighty five.
- 30:28And it's you know, it's forever that we gonna provide the toilet tissue at Yale University.
- 30:34And then in two thousand, here comes one of your grandchildren that's not the nicest person on the planet.
- 30:40He a little bit crazy and he real flamboyant.
- 30:43He walks in all cocky and weird and crazy and like, Yeah, you know, I'm running this contract.
- 30:47They may not like him, but guess what?
- 30:49That's a legal binding contract.
- 30:51It's a binding contract in perpetuity forever.
- 30:55So don't matter how they the the the people in the resource that that cut the check feel about your great grandson, it's a binding contract and a binding agreement.
- 31:03And so it's real easy to deal with.
- 31:05This is why you need to understand the blood of Jesus Christ, because the blood of Jesus Christ is a propitiation, meaning it's a payment, a ransom for those things.
- 31:12And so when I go into prayer and I understand that, okay, Lord, we need to I want to cleanse this, clean this up.
- 31:18And you clean it up by repenting for it, acknowledging it, repenting, the Bible says.
- 31:22In James 1 9, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.
- 31:28So you go into confession.
- 31:30You ain't got to go to like the the Catholic you know, to a priest.
- 31:35You get on your knees.
- 31:36Lord, I want to confess that my great uncle was a ranked devil, that he murdered people, he did this, and he probably never apologized.
- 31:44But I'm coming to you before you because you sit outside of time and space and you see all these things, you're Alpha Omega.
- 31:50I, James Williams.
- 31:52As a priest and a king of this bloodline, I repent for what he did.
- 31:56By the way, I repent for any adultery, any fornication, any theft, any uh any murder, any lust.
- 32:04I Lord, I want to clean up this bloodline.
- 32:07Enmity, strife.
- 32:08I want to clean it up.
- 32:09And then I'll say, Hey, Lord, if there's something specific, show me what that specific thing is that you want me to repent of.
- 32:16And I say I repent, and I plead the blood of Jesus Christ over and ask that you forgive us.
- 32:20And I get up and I'll start going on about my business.
- 32:23And then you go through this process where the Lord will start showing you little things.
- 32:27He'll he'll even animate an auntie or an uncle or a cousin to come and t confess things to you so you can deal with them.
- 32:36Remember in the Bible, guys, it talks about guys God's eyes going to and fro through the earth, looking for one that would intercede.
- 32:43And so for each bloodline, he's looking for somebody who intercede.
- 32:48You as a businessman, as a businesswoman,
- 32:50It's very, very important that you do this because you there in the Bible there's kingship and there's priesthood, right?
- 32:58Priesthood is you serving the Lord, you praising to the Lord, you ministering to the Lord.
- 33:02Kingship is your influence in the world to draw men unto him.
- 33:06Jesus said, Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
- 33:10So kingship is you allowing the Lord to function through you for his will to be done.
- 33:16Like me having this conversation is a part of my kingship where I'm talking to you.
- 33:20But it's not really me talking at this point in time.
- 33:22It's him talking at this point in time.
- 33:23That's why the pace picked up like this, right?
- 33:26Because I'm not thinking, right?
- 33:28So the the the kingship is this aspect of it.
- 33:32And so for your kingship to be strong, your priesthood must be stronger.
- 33:36So the stronger your priesthood, the stronger your kingship.
- 33:39So your priesthood is, hey Lord, I repent.
- 33:41Hey Lord, I love you.
- 33:43Hey Lord, I'm gonna sing a song that you do.
- 33:44Hey Lord, it's 3 a.m.
- 33:45I'm scared.
- 33:46I want to talk to you about this.
- 33:47That's your priesthood.
- 33:49That aspect of your life emboldens and empowers your kingship.
- 33:54And it's through that priesthood where you we're deal the Lord or cleaning up sin, iniquity, and transgression, that your kingship is elevated.
- 34:02And more importantly, it's stabilized.
- 34:04Because us as businessmen, we have these ups and these downs and these ups and downs.
- 34:09And when you go back and look through uh in the Bible, the the individuals like Abraham, I mean, he had a pretty consistent thing.
- 34:18You know, you know, he had the issue where he got the money from the Egypt, came out of Egypt.
- 34:23He was so wealthy that him and Lot and their herdsmen would beef out because he'd be like, man, we got too much.
- 34:28And then Lot left him and ended up in Sodom.
- 34:32The first time Lot ever decided he was gonna know what he was gonna do, he's gonna go off on his own.
- 34:36He ended up in a perverse ranked devil town, right?
- 34:39But Abraham was consistent.
- 34:41He was so consistent that it was crazy.
- 34:43But you don't want to know why?
- 34:44Because he was intimate with the Lord.
- 34:48Yeah.
- 34:48Wow.
- 34:51again, so much to digest, but so good, so good.
- 34:53Um I have things called rewind moments um on on the podcast and I think you could just rewind everything that that James said from the very beginning of this podcast.
- 35:04Um and and listen to it again.
- 35:09you like this, Doug, that's not me.
- 35:11Like, and I I'm just because this is a business podcast and I love doing business, I'm gonna tell you guys how you know it's not me.
- 35:20See, there's a time period where there's and you'll experience this the more of you become intimate with him.
- 35:25And like I'm getting a chill now because he's like, Okay, you're gonna give me my glory.
- 35:28Yeah, I'm gonna give you your glory, Lord, because I you it's you.
- 35:32There's a time period in business where it's gonna be
- 35:36Part is going to be you.
- 35:37You're going to be driving a car, right?
- 35:39You're like driving, you turn on ignition, you start driving.
- 35:42You're driving, you're driving.
- 35:43You know how they had a saying, Jesus take the wheel.
- 35:45There's going to be a point where he takes the wheel.
- 35:47Boom.
- 35:47And he grabs it.
- 35:48And when he drives, it accelerates.
- 35:52And if you're in that phase of acceleration, your job is just to sit back and relax.
- 35:57Because now he's driving.
- 35:58And you'll know he's driving because things start to come out of your mind, things start to come out of your spirit, they come out of your heart, and they pour out.
- 36:06I've experienced this in like in negotiations with people where I'm talking to somebody, we're talking about this, this, this, and I have these points.
- 36:14And then next thing you know, boom, I'm gone.
- 36:16And the guy's like, Well, that's what I was thinking.
- 36:19I was thinking we should do this, this, this, this, this.
- 36:21And then words come out of my mouth like, Well, yeah, you were thinking that, but because of ABC D E F G, you are trying to account for the extra expense.
- 36:30And so this is my offer to you to account for the extra expense.
- 36:34How about we do this, this, this?
- 36:35He's like, it feels like you're reading my mind.
- 36:37And I'm like, I'm not gonna say nothing.
- 36:39I'm not reading your mind.
- 36:40You, Jesus wants this done for his kingdom.
- 36:43You know what I'm saying?
- 36:44Now I'll tell you guys the other thing.
- 36:45The one thing you gotta be aware of, and you need to be prepared for is the sacrifice of time, the sacrifice of energy, the sacrifice of attention, which you will, which you will
- 36:57do because you will give him this.
- 37:00Then there comes the sacrifice of finances.
- 37:03And so there's times where.
- 37:04I've done things, and the Lord like, okay, you um, you, you, that was $5,000.
- 37:11He'll say, Do you love me?
- 37:12And I'll be like, man.
- 37:13Like, oh man.
- 37:15$4,000 of that gonna go to here.
- 37:17It's like, man, that's that's okay.
- 37:20$4,000 going to this place.
- 37:22So this seed into this.
- 37:24But then here's the beauty of it.
- 37:27You sow the seed, and
- 37:30You ca there's this inner turmoil about it a little bit, like, man, that was four thousand dollars, Lord.
- 37:34Da-da-da-da.
- 37:35You sow the seed into wherever he wants it to go, right?
- 37:39And then you forget about it.
- 37:41And then he'll he'll bring it back up to you later.
- 37:43So you'll be doing something six months later.
- 37:45He'll be like, hey, go look at this.
- 37:47And you go look, and you'll see where your seed has grown.
- 37:50Because in that moment, that person needed that thing in order for him to do what he wanted to do.
- 37:56And then you watch this beautiful tree blossom.
- 37:59You're like, wow.
- 38:00He was like, that's because of your seed.
- 38:02And that's counted as righteousness unto you.
- 38:04And then he explained it to me, ladies and gentlemen.
- 38:06He said, you know, every time you do a podcast and you turn men unto me, that's counted as righteousness.
- 38:13He's like, that's the wealthier building in my kingdom.
- 38:16And I was like, Well, I want I I understand what you're saying, but you know, I gotta pay the light bill, my lord.
- 38:23I gotta pay the rent.
- 38:24I understand what you're saying.
- 38:25I'm down with you, but how we gonna get these things paid?
- 38:28And then he'll just say something like, Is your lights on right now?
- 38:31Like, yeah, have your lights turned off?
- 38:32No.
- 38:33Okay, stop it.
- 38:34But he's funny.
- 38:36But I come to realize that all he wants is an intimate relationship with someone to where he can use you to funnel money through, words through, and blessings through people.
- 38:48And all these tests that I kind of go through, all the tests that you guys are going to go through, are gonna be things to where you get to the point to where he can say, okay, I
- 38:55can trust you with this.
- 38:57I you've sacrificed enough of yourself.
- 38:59You've carved up carved off your arm for me.
- 39:01You've carved off your finger for me.
- 39:03All these different pieces and parts of you that you thought were so great that I know aren't that great.
- 39:09You've carved all those pieces off now replaced them, and now I can trust you.
- 39:13And ladies and gentlemen, for example, us as businessmen, there's they'll tell us to look up people like Mark Zuckerberg, right?
- 39:22There was a time period it was like, Mark Zuckerberg started Facebook and he
- 39:26You know, they wrote books about Mark Zuckerberg.
- 39:28Um, what's the lady's name that started ARK Investments, Kathy or whatever her name is?
- 39:33They they they hold these people up in front of us like these people are these uh the the paradigms of business.
- 39:41But in our kingdom, there's men and women like that.
- 39:43So if you go back and look at businessmen and women in the kingdom of God, there's JC Penny, who actually was a Christian businessman.
- 39:50Um, there's R.G.
- 39:52Tarant, Turant, the guy who did the
- 39:54He he ended up having a reverse 90% tide where he gave the Lord 90% of the money and he had 10% of the money.
- 40:01There's all these businessmen and women, and the one thing all of them have in common is this.
- 40:07They all came to the understanding that they could not do it on their own.
- 40:11Every last one of them.
- 40:12When you read their stories, their their their understanding is, God, I'm insufficient.
- 40:17I can't do this without you.
- 40:19If you will help me, then I'll do whatever you want me to do.
- 40:22I'll do this.
- 40:23And so much of our business life is God trying to drive us to that point.
- 40:27Bankruptcies are those moments.
- 40:29Um, repossessions are those moments, foreclosures are those moments.
- 40:32Um, business failures are those moments.
- 40:35Those are the moments when you're supposed to be saying, Lord, I can't do this without you.
- 40:39Sorry.
- 40:39I just can't.
- 40:40I can't.
- 40:41I had a friend of mine just recently, his car got repossessed, right?
- 40:44Businessman.
- 40:45He calls me.
- 40:46He says, Man, you know they came and picked up my car this morning.
- 40:51And as he's saying that, I'm
- 40:53I'm I'm sensing the Holy Spirit's about to start talking.
- 40:55So now there's about to be two conversations.
- 40:57And so he's saying, you know, they came at twelve midnight.
- 41:00We caught on camera, but I slept through it.
- 41:02You know, the last time they came to get my car, I woke up and I went out there and I talked with the guy and kept the car.
- 41:07But this time, for some reason, we slept through it.
- 41:08And the Lord said, I made him sleep through it.
- 41:10I'm like, my, here we go.
- 41:12Please don't make me tell this man something.
- 41:14Please, please, please, please.
- 41:15And he's talking about his feelings and his emotions.
- 41:18And as he talks, he says, You know, I come to realize something.
- 41:21I was like, what, man?
- 41:22He said, I don't need a luxury car.
- 41:26He said, That was fourteen hundred dollars a month that I just didn't need.
- 41:30I don't have the income to do that.
- 41:31I should be making five million dollars a a year before I have that kind of luxury car.
- 41:36And it was stupid.
- 41:37And Holy Spirit said, Mm, now he's starting to get it.
- 41:41And I said, Hey man, how's your titan looking in your uh your sacrificial giving?
- 41:46He was like, Well, you know, we kind of fell back on our tides, you know, things got a little tight and da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
- 41:51And I watched
- 41:52Over the couple of days, because he kept calling me, and I could be doing something, the Holy Spirit said, answer that phone call.
- 41:58There are other calls that'll come, he'd be like, Nope, keep going.
- 42:00This one answer.
- 42:01And you watched him go through this understanding of what his priorities are.
- 42:07Now, this guy recently built an altar of prayer where he gets up at five o'clock every morning and he's reads the Bible and he prays from five to seven, or maybe five to six
- 42:17thirty.
- 42:18I don't want to lie.
- 42:18Let's just give him five to seven, just to give him space.
- 42:21But I it's an hour worth of Bible read and then prayer.
- 42:23He's been doing it for like six months.
- 42:25And yesterday we're talking, and he says, he says, you know, man, prior to me having a time with prayer with the Lord, if my car got repossessed, I would just feel like it was,
- 42:38I would just feel so disappointed and hurt.
- 42:40And he said, It it doesn't really matter.
- 42:42I said, Uh-huh.
- 42:44And he was he's like, Why?
- 42:45I said, Because your priorities are different now.
- 42:49And I just I said, Can I be honest with you?
- 42:51And he was Yeah, I said, This may hurt your feelings.
- 42:53I said, So I'm gonna ask you again, can I be honest with you?
- 42:55He said, Yeah.
- 42:55I said, The reason why you bought that vehicle is because you wanted people to perceive you a certain way.
- 43:00You need to worry about how God perceives you and don't worry about how people perceive you.
- 43:04I say, So now you're going through the phase where you don't care about how people perceive you, but how God perceives you, and therefore the vehicle gonna come back because
- 43:11now you'll be able to sustain the vehicle.
- 43:13And he just started kind of like crying.
- 43:15I was like, Yeah, that's how it works, though.
- 43:17And so I'm rambling, ladies and gentlemen, but
- 43:20These are the things we experience as business people.
- 43:22I'm sorry.
- 43:23Like I've I've I've experienced this stuff.
- 43:25You know what I'm saying?
- 43:26Where it gets bad.
- 43:27But understanding that moment where it's bad, that's the moment where you get presented the opportunity where you turn to the Lord and say, Lord, you know what?
- 43:34I can't do this without you.
- 43:36It's not a bad, it's not the end of the world.
- 43:38It's just the end of that thing and an opportunity for you to rebuild with him.
- 43:43The funny thing is that you bring up that story is that I have a similar story.
- 43:47Me and my wife, while my business was first starting out, our car was repossessed.
- 43:52It was the only car that we had.
- 43:55and it was funny, it w it was soon after that, we like we weren't tithing like we should have been.
- 44:01And we started tithing out of we gave what we didn't have, basically.
- 44:06Um and the way that life changed from that point um was incredible.
- 44:12Mm-hmm.
- 44:12we realized it's not ours.
- 44:15It's his.
- 44:17So
- 44:17But it's spiritual law.
- 44:20I mean, it really is spiritual law.
- 44:21And that this is I'm gonna tell you the thing that the thing that aggravated me the most, the closer I got to the Lord, was as I started studying and under because my school of the
- 44:31spirit is different.
- 44:32Matter of fact, watch this.
- 44:34Let's talk about how you can enter the school of the spirit um around your daily life.
- 44:40Let's cause I was getting ready to tell a story, but let me just give a how to, right?
- 44:44So everybody has a phone, they have these devices.
- 44:48First thing you do is you go through your phone and you purge everything that has does not have to do with like something that's righteous as of God.
- 44:56So a lot of people like to watch football, they like to watch basketball, like to watch baseball, you like your favorite TV show.
- 45:01Go on your YouTube and purge all that.
- 45:03Not interested, not interested, not interested, not interested.
- 45:05Get rid of it.
- 45:06So it's not clogged in your feed.
- 45:08The next thing you do is you start typing in Christian businessmen, Christian Businessmen podcast.
- 45:14How to build the business altar to God.
- 45:17How to work with God in business.
- 45:18And then you subscribe to all the stuff that you can find.
- 45:21Right?
- 45:22Subscribe to everything.
- 45:23Then you say, okay, Lord, throughout my day, I want to have an agreement with you.
- 45:27Feed me information throughout my day that'll help me grow with you.
- 45:32Use this device because this is nothing, your cell phone is nothing more than a portal.
- 45:36Use this portal to feed me to bring me closer to you.
- 45:39And watch what happens.
- 45:40You'll realize that you're sitting there and the perfect video will come up for you to have the perfect understanding.
- 45:46And so I did the same thing, but I did it with all things that pertain to the kingdom.
- 45:50I was like, okay, spiritual warfare, business, relationships, child raising.
- 45:56Cause I said, Lord, I don't know how to do none of this.
- 45:58I suck at it all.
- 45:59I just I suck at everything.
- 46:00And so the school of the spirit started for me where it'd be one minister from Africa that would come up, like Theodore Effing, who's if you've never heard him, you should check him
- 46:08out.
- 46:08Theodore Effing talking about making covenants with vows to God with sacrifice.
- 46:12Then another guy from China popping up.
- 46:15And he's talking about um watchman knee and talking watchman knee stuff.
- 46:20Then another lady popping up about parenting from a Christian perspective.
- 46:24And so I would just, while I'm working, I would let that play and I will keep on doing what I'm doing.
- 46:29And then there's these pauses where someone will say something and it sinks into your spirit.
- 46:34And then later on, once it's sunk in and I got quiet time, I'll go back and be like, well, how does this work?
- 46:38Bah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
- 46:40And then the Lord will explain it to
- 46:42But what I did was I purged all the nonsense distractions away from me.
- 46:47Things that really don't matter.
- 46:49Like I'm my wife even says I'm weird because I won't watch, she'll make me watch a football game.
- 46:53She's like, let's watch the Saints game.
- 46:54I'm like, that's stupid.
- 46:55I'm not watching the Saints game.
- 46:56I want to watch the Saints game.
- 46:57Okay, well I'll sit down and watch it with you.
- 46:59But I I purge things that don't matter.
- 47:03So I can make room for him.
- 47:04And we all have room for him.
- 47:06Give you a perfect example, Doug.
- 47:08The average businessman on the in the morning time, they're driving away to work.
- 47:12They want a way to work in traffic.
- 47:14And on that commute to traffic, let's say it's 30 minutes there to an hour there, 30 minutes back home to an hour back home.
- 47:22That's two hours a day that you could spend in the Word of God by watching a sermon or listening to something.
- 47:27There's two hours a day that you can make your tithe immediately to the Lord.
- 47:32Or let's say it's 30 minutes.
- 47:33That's an hour a day.
- 47:35So we have time as entrepreneurs.
- 47:37We have time as businessmen.
- 47:39We just don't want to use that time the way
- 47:42We could.
- 47:42And it's the most effective way you can use that time.
- 47:46And then as you realize how effective the use of the time is, then you'll start to make even more time because you realize the effective utilization of the time by being in the
- 47:56spirit and talking to the Lord and hanging out with him.
- 47:58It's way more effective than anything you can do.
- 48:01But right now they tell us that we should read business books and listen to business podcasts.
- 48:05And I mean, there's there's knowledge within that, but
- 48:09Why do I need to go to someone who's only just peeling layers of what the Lord already spoke and what he taught?
- 48:16That's all they're doing.
- 48:17They're just taking a Bible and they've they've they've they've uh they've hijacked the Bible and used tenets in the Bible.
- 48:25Like I know Robert Green, the author of The Forty Eight Laws of Power.
- 48:29Interviewed him multiple times back in the day.
- 48:32But it wasn't until I got close to the Lord that I started reading.
- 48:35The Bible real closely.
- 48:36I was like, Robert stole a lot of this stuff from the Bible, it's just an inverse of what the Bible says.
- 48:42And some of his biblical laws of engagement with people, and he just took it into this context and turned it into this sorcery.
- 48:49This is basically what it is, which is manipulation.
- 48:52But it's just biblical knowledge on how people act and how people behave.
- 48:56And you get the same knowledge from the Bible.
- 48:58You really do.
- 48:59If you look at the kings in the Bible and you study all the kings, the book of kings, and the things that happen with the kings.
- 49:05You'll see mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake in the context of your kingship with the Lord.
- 49:12And you'll be like, wow, if I do what he did, I can expect to get the exact same result.
- 49:19Think we gotta get you back for a second podcast because I wanna dive into the courts of heaven.
- 49:23I don't know if we have time for all that.
- 49:24Uh I wanna also go back to the to the gates of prayer.
- 49:28Okay.
- 49:30All right, so so let's um let's dive in a little bit.
- 49:32Um because when you were talking about the gates of prayer, um you mentioned a couple words that sounded legal legally.
- 49:40Legalized, legally, whatever I always so kind of dive into the
- 49:47I wanna ask one important question.
- 49:49Can you point those kind of back to the Bible at all, those those gates of prayer, and just kind of dive into it overall?
- 49:57Okay, if you want to find the gates of prayer, the the easiest way to find the gates of prayer is um understand that Jesus Christ is the pattern for all men.
- 50:07So the gates of prayer are patterned after Jesus Christ's walk.
- 50:10So for example, the hour of communion is based upon a time where Jesus and the disciples would sit down and they would literally have communion where they would sit down and talk,
- 50:19right?
- 50:20Um, which was the six o'clock hour, which you know in the Hebrew calendar.
- 50:24The day starts at n it starts in the nighttime.
- 50:27You know what I'm saying?
- 50:27Then it goes.
- 50:28So you'll go and you'll see when Jesus sat down with them.
- 50:31When you start talking about the hour of legislation, um, you'll find where Jesus was up early in the morning praying, and you'll find that that's between midnight, 3 a.m.
- 50:41And then there's the other hour, which is the hour of mystery, when he when he um when he right before he walked on water, you'll go find in that context, and I can I can send it
- 50:50to you guys because it's a whole lesson.
- 50:52I'll send it to you so you can you can you can add it to this.
- 50:55Um right before he walked on water, uh, he spent all a whole bunch of time.
- 51:00He spent the whole entire night in prayer.
- 51:03And so the hours or the gates of prayer are based upon when Jesus showed them how he taught the disciples to pray.
- 51:12one of them is based upon Paul and Silas being in prison and um the the the church making prayers for them and the
- 51:22And the bars opening up in prison and the gates shaking.
- 51:25It's so much stuff that when you get into this.
- 51:31It's deep Bible study.
- 51:33However, it's the it's revolves around what Jesus showed us.
- 51:37And I know it sounds weird because the average person is like, Well, you can pray anytime you want.
- 51:41Absolutely, you can pray anytime you want.
- 51:42I encourage you to pray anytime you want.
- 51:44I encourage you to pray as a businessman, I encourage you to pray every fifteen minutes.
- 51:49I'm sorry.
- 51:50Especially if you're going into Yeah.
- 51:52If especially if you're going in a big business where there's people who you know a big business that's doing sorcery, divination, witchcraft, you should pray every fifteen
- 51:59minutes.
- 52:00You mean just
- 52:01Just stop five minutes of prayer.
- 52:02Boom.
- 52:02Sporadically pray throughout your day.
- 52:04Um, but the winds of prayer is actually called the winds of prayer, the gates of prayer or wind, W-H-E-N of prayer, um, is essential because it gives you a time frame to organize
- 52:17your life around.
- 52:20the hour of judgment is the hour when Jesus Christ was crucified, which is when the world was the satanic kingdom was actually judged.
- 52:26That's where the hour of judgment comes from.
- 52:28The hour of mercy.
- 52:29Um,
- 52:31Comes from a time period where Jesus showed the woman at the well mercy.
- 52:34Uh remember they were trying to stone her, and um and Jesus just bent over and started writing on the sand.
- 52:43He was like, you know, let who who is without sin cast the first stone.
- 52:47These are different things that we're taught.
- 52:49Now, you the interesting thing about this, ladies and gentlemen, is in the
- 52:56The old Christians, like the original church, they knew these things.
- 53:00These are things that were kind of broken off and we lost these, these understandings.
- 53:05And when you're competing with someone who functions through the dark realm, and there's plenty of people who do this, they have this unbroken lineage of understanding of
- 53:15spiritual things.
- 53:16And it's the spiritual things are combined with the natural things.
- 53:21Um, they understand that all things, um,
- 53:25That there's an invisible realm and a visible realm, and that they things come from that invisible realm into this realm that we're in, that we live in.
- 53:34So the decisions are made in that invisible realm.
- 53:37They affect things in the invisible realm.
- 53:39So they can manifest, which is what they call.
- 53:41They say we manifest into the natural realm.
- 53:43They understand this concept.
- 53:45And so you'll run into them doing magic, sorcery, divination, spells, all the rest of this because they're trying to bring something from the invisible realm into our realm.
- 53:55And the way we deal with that invisible realm is through prayer.
- 53:59The way we deal with that invisible realm is through our partnership with the Holy Spirit and having understanding of these things.
- 54:05And so we petition the Lord to help us pull things from that realm and bring them into reality.
- 54:11And that's how it ends up being our blessings.
- 54:13We petition the Lord for a blessing.
- 54:14We make requests, petitions of the Lord.
- 54:17We make decrees and declarations over things.
- 54:19Um, and that's how you bring things into this realm in our kingdom.
- 54:24In their kingdom, it's I'm gonna kill a goat, a chicken, a bull, and a p a spirit's gonna go do it for me.
- 54:30In our kingdom, it's really based upon sacrifice of time, energy, and attention to the Lord and relationship in which those things come.
- 54:38I I feel like you're going to when I ask you this question, it's gonna be a lot of what you've already said, but I I wanna phrase it in this way because I think it's important
- 54:46because um I think there's probably a lot of business people out there that feel like they're being attacked in their businesses or in their homes.
- 54:53And maybe it's because they've failed to put that hedge of protection around their businesses and their homes.
- 55:00Right?
- 55:01Um so can you just kind of talk about um how to create that hedge of protection um around your businesses, around your homes?
- 55:08Sure.
- 55:09So let's talk about the nature of an attack real quick.
- 55:13As a Christian, the nature of an attack is um nothing can touch you.
- 55:19man, I don't want to go that deep.
- 55:21Yeah.
- 55:22As a Christian, you hear people say, Nothing can touch you unless the Lord allows it to touch you, right?
- 55:28And that's 100% true.
- 55:30So then the question is, why is the Lord allowing this thing to touch me?
- 55:34Right?
- 55:34And so the first thing, let's just say it's restlessness or sleeplessness, unless because that's one of the contexts where Satan will use your lack of rest to try and get at you.
- 55:44You you say, Okay, why am I not sleeping?
- 55:47Now the question is not to yourself, the question is to the Lord.
- 55:49Because the Bible promises you.
- 55:51Restful, peaceful sleep.
- 55:53The word says he gives he gives his beloved sweet sleep.
- 55:56And it's described as sweet sleep.
- 55:59So the question is why am I not having sweet sleep?
- 56:02So you take that question to the Lord.
- 56:03This goes back to intimacy.
- 56:04Everything that I'm saying goes back to intimacy.
- 56:06It's not coming back from what James says.
- 56:08You're taking these things back to him.
- 56:09So you say, Hey Lord, how come I'm not sleeping?
- 56:11What's going on?
- 56:12What did I do?
- 56:12What did I do?
- 56:13Never ask him what what did I do?
- 56:16He don't answer.
- 56:17Go back again.
- 56:18Understand he's a king, he answers when he wants the answer.
- 56:21He ain't your genie.
- 56:23He's a king.
- 56:24So don't get it twisted.
- 56:26He's a king.
- 56:27Go back again.
- 56:27Hey, you know, my rest has been off.
- 56:30I'm trying to figure out why I'm not resting.
- 56:32Many times, what ends up happening is the Lord allows things to touch us, to shift us, because he knows the hearts of men.
- 56:40He knows how to manage men.
- 56:42He's the ultimate business manager.
- 56:44Like he's the ultimate manager, human resource manager because he understands how men and women function, because he made us.
- 56:50So for him to nudge you, he let stuff touch you.
- 56:53That's kind of like last night.
- 56:54I told you I was up at three because I heard had a dream and I heard somebody ringing the doorbell, ding dong.
- 56:59And was like, hell no, we're not playing that kind of game.
- 57:01Boom, I'm up.
- 57:02Boom, it boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
- 57:04But I learned that over time because I heard that before, and it was like ding dong.
- 57:09And I was like, somebody ring the doorbell.
- 57:10And I would stay asleep.
- 57:12And the next day I had the worst day.
- 57:13And now I don't know what's coming.
- 57:15I don't know who ringing the door, but I'm coming to see you.
- 57:17I'm going, and I'm not opening the front door.
- 57:19I'm opening the door in the spirit realm.
- 57:20Let me go see who you is.
- 57:21That's ringing on my doorbell.
- 57:23You know what I'm saying?
- 57:23Because I don't know what you think coming in his household, but it ain't coming in his house, right?
- 57:27Um, and so from the context of that story, you you develop this understanding that prayer is very important because, again, it's how you engage with the Lord.
- 57:37So you'll get the feedback on what needs to be done.
- 57:40Now, how to pray for a hedge of protection.
- 57:42It's scriptural-based prayer, right?
- 57:44Um, the Lord says that.
- 57:48Uh, I was praying this this morning.
- 57:50I can't give you the exact scripture, but he was saying, I will be a wall of fire around her.
- 57:55And I think it was talking about.
- 57:56So the Lord describes himself as a wall of fire.
- 57:59He describes himself as a mountain that protects you.
- 58:01So what you do is you pray, you say, Lord, your word says that you would be a wall of fire around about her.
- 58:05Lord, I'm asking you that you be a wall of fire around me and my family.
- 58:10Your word says that we shall decree a thing and it shall be established unto us.
- 58:13Lord, I decree and declare angelic protection and heads of protection around my household.
- 58:17Lord, I plead the blood of Jesus Christ over my household, over my business, every hole, window, door, weep hole, crack in the foundation.
- 58:25I plead the blood of Jesus Christ over it.
- 58:27And the voice of the blood of Jesus speaks for me and my family as they travel throughout their day, as we engage in business.
- 58:33Lord, I ask that you go ahead of me to lead and guide my path, clear the path, the devil, his minions, and even his businessmen, Lord.
- 58:40And you pray his word.
- 58:41So now it gets crazy because what you do now is you start to.
- 58:47Take the Bible and you find promises.
- 58:49What does the Lord say?
- 58:50What are all his promises about protection?
- 58:52Everybody likes to go to Psalms 91, right?
- 58:54He who dwells in the secret place of the most high shall abide and rood uh under his feather, under his wings.
- 59:00They go into that, right?
- 59:00Thou shalt not be afraid of the terrors that come by night, nor the pestilence that lurk in darkness, nor the destructions that waste at noonday.
- 59:06Those are all classifications of things that we deal with, right?
- 59:10Destructions are a real entity.
- 59:13terrors are a real entity, pestilences are real entities.
- 59:16And so now you start to pray against those things that will come against your business.
- 59:21I I will say this.
- 59:26You pray scriptural based prayer, not feeling, not emotion-based, scriptural-based prayer.
- 59:33Because and as you go through the process of understanding how to pray scriptural-based prayer, what'll end up happening is you start to memorize scripture.
- 59:41But you won't memorize it like first Peter two, nine says this.
- 59:45You'll memorize it from the the katalambano aspect of it.
- 59:49You've touched it.
- 59:50You you you understand how it works.
- 59:53You know what I'm saying?
- 59:53You've laid hold to it.
- 59:55That's why a lot of people, when I'm dealing with interviews, they was like, Well, James, you don't give the scriptural reference.
- 59:59And and but anybody who knows, they're like, nah, this dude is speaking all scripture.
- 1:00:04Because it's katalambano for me, it's no, this is Lord, your word says, um, your word says, every tongue that rises up against us in judgment, thou shalt condemn, right?
- 1:00:15So when the scourge of the tongue comes in business, which is people who are, well, he's this, he's that, he's this, he's this.
- 1:00:22no, no, that's a scourge of the tongue.
- 1:00:23Lord, your word says, Every tongue that rises up against us in judgment, thou shalt condemn.
- 1:00:27Lord, I condemn their tongues in the realm of the Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ.
- 1:00:30And Lord, I ask that you judge those tongues.
- 1:00:34And that's the end of that.
- 1:00:35I'm not dealing with that.
- 1:00:35Then you'll notice the scourge goes down like that.
- 1:00:38People just stop talking.
- 1:00:40But it's because I understand that there's a scourge of a tongue and that there's a promise to deal with the scourge of tongue.
- 1:00:45Even if you look at that scripture where it says, um, that I just gave from Isaiah, if you go further back,
- 1:00:51It talks about the waster and a destroyer.
- 1:00:54Many times in business, there's a waster that comes into your business, and there's a destroyer that comes into your business.
- 1:01:00Um, I had a gentleman that I had hired for a little while, and this is how I learned the the the about wasters.
- 1:01:07And I give you the profile of a spiritual waster.
- 1:01:11He came into my business.
- 1:01:13We had an agreement.
- 1:01:14I said, okay, you're gonna do a show on Saturday nights, right?
- 1:01:20And you'll do that show every Saturday night.
- 1:01:22I'll pay you, I think it was like $110 a show.
- 1:01:26So he comes in, he does one show.
- 1:01:27Um, he does a second show, does a third show, he does a fourth show, he gets the first paycheck.
- 1:01:35He does not do another show at all.
- 1:01:38But then he starts calling me for money all the time.
- 1:01:41Hey man, can you can you can you send me a hundred bucks?
- 1:01:44Can you do this?
- 1:01:44Can you do this?
- 1:01:45Can you do this?
- 1:01:45Can you do this?
- 1:01:47And I noticed as he was
- 1:01:49In covenant with me, in agreement with me, all these weird stupid things started happening.
- 1:01:55Like um, just little unexpected expenses, stuff breaking, that just wasn't happening.
- 1:02:01None of this stuff was happening until this guy came into a covenant agreement with me.
- 1:02:05And so I'm watching as these stupid things happen.
- 1:02:07I'm like, yo, this can't be Satan because me and Satan ain't got this kind of leverage over me.
- 1:02:11I pray every day.
- 1:02:12I pray every night.
- 1:02:12I didn't I don't know where this coming from, but I had an agreement with someone who was under judgment.
- 1:02:17And their waster was on him.
- 1:02:18So his whole life, everything he touched, he would waste.
- 1:02:22The minute I got rid of him, everything took off.
- 1:02:26And so in business, you'll find people who are wasters that are coming.
- 1:02:29Then there's people who and these are spirits that are uh people are under judgment of these spirits, right?
- 1:02:34Then there's a destroyer.
- 1:02:36And I learned he's the hard way.
- 1:02:37There's another guy that came in, and he was actually the first one that came.
- 1:02:41And no matter what you did with him, he would destroy it.
- 1:02:46I was teaching.
- 1:02:46How to do YouTube.
- 1:02:47He got YouTube channel where he had 10,000 subscribers and he just destroyed it.
- 1:02:52And it just blew up.
- 1:02:53And I was like, why would you blow your channel up like that?
- 1:02:56He went off, started something new, and left YouTube, started doing some stuff with some cars and blew that up.
- 1:03:03And I'm like, then he came back to YouTube.
- 1:03:05May you help me again?
- 1:03:05I was like, yeah, I'll help you.
- 1:03:07And I helped him get to 10,000.
- 1:03:08He blew it up again.
- 1:03:10And then I realized, wait, I'm this guy's destroying everything.
- 1:03:14And then watch this.
- 1:03:16As time progressed, as I grew and I grew and I got bigger and I got bigger, then he turned to destroy me.
- 1:03:23And when he came to destroy me, he threw everything he had at me to destroy me.
- 1:03:28Everything.
- 1:03:28I mean, all the knowledge, wisdom, and understanding he had from conversation.
- 1:03:31He threw everything.
- 1:03:32I'm talking about every arrow, every dart, every flame sword.
- 1:03:35He threw everything.
- 1:03:37And this is where I learned spiritual warfare because the Lord would have me sit there and he's online talking crazy.
- 1:03:41The Lord would have me sit there.
- 1:03:42He said, sit there and watch that.
- 1:03:43I'm like, why am I gonna sit here and watch a man lie about me?
- 1:03:46Sit and watch.
- 1:03:47And so I had to sit and watch.
- 1:03:48And he said, That's a lie.
- 1:03:50Uh, condemn that.
- 1:03:51Condemn that.
- 1:03:52Condemn that.
- 1:03:53Condemn that.
- 1:03:53I Why don't I just go online?
- 1:03:54He said, No, I want you to learn this lesson.
- 1:03:56Condemn that tongue, condemn that tongue, condemn that tongue.
- 1:03:59And it went on for that went on for like six months.
- 1:04:03But he wouldn't let me say anything.
- 1:04:05And then um, there was one night, it was 3 a.m.
- 1:04:10and I'm up.
- 1:04:11And I'm actually aggravated about the things that are being said because it gets into some stuff that I never did.
- 1:04:16It's just flat out lies.
- 1:04:18And I'm like, Lord, I'm tired of this.
- 1:04:20And he said, okay.
- 1:04:22He said, here's what we're going to do.
- 1:04:24He said, I want you to come into the courts of heaven.
- 1:04:25And he said, I want you to build the case.
- 1:04:28He said, I want you to ask for judgment.
- 1:04:30So I'm like, all right.
- 1:04:30So I go through scripture and I build a case.
- 1:04:33And I ask the Lord to judge.
- 1:04:35He says, Ask me to judge him, but bring him into repentance and unto righteousness.
- 1:04:41Mm-hmm.
- 1:04:41So say, Lord, I ask for a judgment based upon your word, that you judge him, that you bring him into repentance, and then you save him and bring him into righteousness.
- 1:04:51About a week later, the guy goes into the hospital.
- 1:04:55Two weeks after that, he comes out of the hospital.
- 1:05:00Three weeks after that, he calls me and apologized crying.
- 1:05:04Another three weeks after that, he calls me and says, You know, I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
- 1:05:09Will you teach me?
- 1:05:10About the Bible.
- 1:05:12And I'm now I'm at this point where I'm in this trap where the Lord says, Okay, so now let's see how your heart is.
- 1:05:18Do you love me?
- 1:05:19And I'm like, every time he says, Do you love me?
- 1:05:20I'm like, okay, you're gonna make me give up a piece of myself.
- 1:05:23I was like, He says, forgive him and teach him.
- 1:05:27And so I forgave the dude and I started teaching.
- 1:05:29Then the dude comes back and he's like, Well, man, I won't be on your YouTube channel.
- 1:05:32I said, Sir, that will never happen.
- 1:05:34I said, You can't do that.
- 1:05:36I said, but I can teach you about the word of God, but you'll never have access to nothing that I have like that again because you violated it.
- 1:05:42And boom.
- 1:05:43And so that's kind of the process that we go through.
- 1:05:45I kind of went off the, I didn't, I'm sorry, Lord, I repent.
- 1:05:48The Lord went with what direction he wanted to go.
- 1:05:51But I think you guys get the gist of what I'm saying.
- 1:05:53It's scriptural-based prayer, which leads to these understandings.
- 1:05:55Those understandings allow you to deal with the legalistic nature of things that are happening, not only in your bloodline, but in business and things that are happening
- 1:06:03around your business.
- 1:06:04And then you yourself.
- 1:06:06Through your priesthood, you go in and you work with the Lord and you commune with the Lord, which allows your kingship, which is uh actual shining forth where you you are a
- 1:06:15light on a on a hill, a city on top of a hill.
- 1:06:18That's how you become a city on a hill.
- 1:06:20It's through priesthood.
- 1:06:21And if you want to see it, there's demonic priesthoods, which leads to men and women being those cities on the hill, but it's demonic.
- 1:06:29You'll see them, the richest people in the world, you'd be Why do you think they're philanthropists?
- 1:06:32They give away so much.
- 1:06:34It's a part of their demonic priesthood.
- 1:06:36And it leads them to being these super powerful popular people.
- 1:06:41Wow.
- 1:06:42Uh what a great, what a great interview.
- 1:06:44Uh James.
- 1:06:45Thank you so much.
- 1:06:46I do ask one well, first off, this is a good segue because you talked about your YouTube channel.
- 1:06:51Talk about like how people can learn like get some more of what you just laid down.
- 1:06:55Where where can they go?
- 1:06:56How can they follow you?
- 1:06:58Um, all that kind of good stuff.
- 1:06:59Um, it's the Dark Waters channel on YouTube.
- 1:07:04and that's pretty much it.
- 1:07:07We do have a Bible study group.
- 1:07:08I really go into this in our Bible study it's called Strongman Praying, and it's strongmenpraying.com.
- 1:07:14Um, our Bible study, we go into we into all this, we're going to spiritual cities, how to take territories, all that.
- 1:07:19Um, but just if you just want to get the understanding, it it's it's really at the Dark Waters channel.
- 1:07:26Because I'm gonna talk about I talk about all these things.
- 1:07:29um, from a biblical worldview perspective, including politics, including war, including everything.
- 1:07:34Um, but that's where you can find it.
- 1:07:37Awesome.
- 1:07:38We'll put that that link below.
- 1:07:39And I think you just also just wrote a book, right?
- 1:07:42So I'll put a link to that book as well.
- 1:07:44Yeah, and that book will give you a good understanding.
- 1:07:46So the book is how to get you've been served, how to get victory in the courts of heaven.
- 1:07:50We should do another interview where we actually talk about the courts of heaven.
- 1:07:54Because unfortunately, people don't have the understanding that the spirit realm is a very legalistic realm.
- 1:08:01Because spirits don't forgive, they cleanse.
- 1:08:04So the spirit realm is extremely they don't forget, they don't forgive.
- 1:08:09It's extremely legalistic.
- 1:08:11It's why Jesus Christ had to die.
- 1:08:13Because the legalistic nature of the spirit realm.
- 1:08:16And we're everything that we deal with in this natural realm is a reflection of something that happened in the spiritual realm.
- 1:08:22But we have the blood of Jesus, which is the highest blood there is, the blood of atonement.
- 1:08:27And it's that blood that allows us to have victory in any realm.
- 1:08:31Mm.
- 1:08:31Amen.
- 1:08:32Uh I I I think you're right.
- 1:08:34Um I think we should schedule part two.
- 1:08:36Um and and you and I will connect after that.
- 1:08:38I ask one last question on every single one of these podcasts because um I say this every time.
- 1:08:43I don't want to leave any wisdom that is on your heart or whatever the Lord is putting on your heart that you felt has left been left unsaid, unsaid.
- 1:08:49Um so this is like this last question is just a f a free free for all, if you will.
- 1:08:55So do you have any parting words of wisdom or advice to leave the listeners?
- 1:09:00Yeah, that's simple.
- 1:09:00Pray.
- 1:09:02Pray.
- 1:09:02Um, take time and pray.
- 1:09:06And everything that I'm telling you hinges on you making a decision that you don't know what's right, you don't know what's best and praying.
- 1:09:15That that's how I got to this point.
- 1:09:17That's how I got to this level of understanding was prayer.
- 1:09:19Period.
- 1:09:20Anybody who tells you anything other than that, they lying to you.
- 1:09:23'Cause it was the prayer that led to me studying the word so much, and it was the prayer that allowed me to to to
- 1:09:30That bolstered me when I was going through challenges, and it was a prayer that allowed me to hear from the Lord.
- 1:09:34So it's prayer.
- 1:09:35Pray.
- 1:09:36That's what I'm gonna say.
- 1:09:37Awesome.
- 1:09:38Uh I'm just gonna tag onto that a little bit and it's a challenge, right?
- 1:09:41Because a lot of people are here, yeah, I believe in power of prayer.
- 1:09:45Are you impl are you are you really believing by taking action and actually praying and sacrificing the time um for prayer?
- 1:09:53You can say all you want that you believe in it, but put your put your actions behind that, right?
- 1:09:59So well thank thank you again, James, and until next time, entrepreneurs, keep moving forward.