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Episode 194-Nurse 3D (2013) · Dark Night of the Podcast

• Roger: Hello listeners I know it's been a long while since you've heard from us, but we're back and I can't think of a better title to welcome us back into your ears and into your loins. Please sit down with us and As we prepare for a brand new episode of Dark Knight Troy Escamilla: Okay. Roger: of the Podcast. Isn't that simply sensual Troy? Troy Escamilla: man. Is that your impression of Vaj Huerta? Roger: I've been working on it for three months, so it better Troy Escamilla: I've I've Roger: be. Because let me tell you, it's been a hot minute, but that voice it haunts me. I'll wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat and I hear Paz de la Juerta fucking whispering to me in Troy Escamilla: Ha ha. Roger: that in that strangely over overly emphasized yet severely monotone v vocal trill that she does. It's so weird. I've never heard anybody talk like Paz de la Juerta. Or yes, as you mentioned. Veg de la Juerta, as we came to find out in this film, the one that we'll be covering today, Troy. Wow, what a what a title to jump back into it after several months away. I mean, there's a lot of things that have happened, lots of things to catch up on, and I'm sure our listeners are expecting answers, Troy. Troy Escamilla: You know, I don't have them except just just time got away from us, you know. I mean, summer obviously is really important for me because I have the summer off being an educator. And unfortunately, I'm back at school already. So the last time we recorded, I think I had just started my summer. That's how that's how long it's been. And it was not intentional, guys, at all. We were actually sp there was a couple of times we were supposed to record and and something came up last minute and you know, Roger started a new job. There were Again, a lot of summer trips. I went back to Davenport, Iowa to visit my dad. And we ended up going on a a a road trip to South Dakota, Wyoming. That was about two weeks of my summer. And then I did a road trip with a dear friend to Bend, Oregon, Crater Lake. there was just a lot going on. And on top of that, in our you know, film film stuff. Roger had we we we both have just been this summer, Roger. I don't I don't know what happened to it. I really don't. And I cannot believe that next week. Is September. Roger: my lord. I mean, who are you telling? And and yes, it definitely was a sabbatical. It was a break. It was a time away that we should have announced, but we kind of decided on it a little bit impromptu. really when we were at Houston Horror, I think we realized just how much we had on our plates. and it was kind of unavoidable. But it's really it's good things, and I do hope that, you know, those of you who are sticking around and still listening, can appreciate the reasons why. I think, you know, first and foremost. As you all know, before we were ever podcast personalities, you know, we were filmmakers and that's what we really love to do, and that's always been our number one priority. And as you are well aware, you know, our films have been doing the the film festival thing, and we've been making the rounds and like lucky for Troy and lucky for I, we have both had the opportunity to screen our individual films at at Noraya different festivals and and Troy's Hollow Lake has gotten to some very impressive festivals. And of course Troy has been going. He's been showing up and representing. And I've been trying to do the same for meat and it's really eaten up a a majority of of my summer. Aside from my fortieth birthday spent overseas, which that was just for me. Troy Escamilla: that was how how did we forget that? I mean, that's what I'm saying. This summer was just jam-packed. I totally I forgot to even mention the Houston Horror Film Festival. That was another part of it. That was another, like I, you know, the the weeks leading up, like the the three weeks leading up to the Houston Horror Film Festival, my life was consumed by that, by by selecting the films, cutting almost 355 films down to 60, creating the screening schedule, doing all that stuff. So I couldn't even think about. watching a movie that was not connected to Houston Horror Film Festival. And what a blast we had, Roger. That was probably one of the the more fun times, fun experiences I've had at the Houston Horror Fell Festival. I did a surprise screening of Hollow Lake Saturday night, which was tons of fun. but yeah, I mean this summer has just been consumed. I I'm actually leaving next week on Wednesday to go to Genre Blast in Virginia, which you guys, you do not even know how much I almost pissed myself when I got the notification that Hollow Lake was accepted because that is a fest that I have long been keeping my eyes on. I know so many people that have been accepted that go to it and they're like, this is the this is one you need to you need to get into. And if you do get into it, you need to experience it. because it is truly what an indie film festival should be. I submitted all three of my previous films three X's in a row and then Hollow Lake. so I am thrilled. I'm so excited to be able to go to that. I already you know it's nine nine Roger: How many awards are you nominated for, Troy? Wow, nine. We like a big nine. A big Troy Escamilla: Nine. Roger: nine. I mean nine is the perfect number for me. I mean ten's Troy Escamilla: Right. Roger: a little too much. It's a little too big. I think you get a little overwhelmed, but nine does me just fine in many ways. Troy Escamilla: I'll take it. And you know, it's the it's it's an honor being nominated. I don't need to win anything, but w winning is icing on the cake, especially if it's for s if it's for somebody involved in the film, like one of the actors or Michael Kolbecker score, that would be so that would be I mean, what's the word? So Roger: Rest in peace. Yeah. Troy Escamilla: yeah, yeah, that would be such a I don't know. We'll we'll we'll cross that bridge next weekend when we get there. But Yeah, so that's that's so just a little bit of why we've been why we've been gone, why we why we stepped away. And we hope that you are understanding and appreciative. I know some of you have reached out to me and asked me when the next episode is, and I have assured you it's coming, it's coming. And I hope this title is is worth the fucking wait. whoo, because yeah. Whoa. Nurse 3D from 2013. Roger: Nurse three D. And I know like we announced it on our last episode, so we've been blue balling you all for months now, and I feel bad because this is a title, like when you hear it, you don't want to wait for it. So shame on us, shame on us, but you know, so much to celebrate. Congratulations, Troy. Congratulations to myself as well. You know, we've had some really good things. And so we appreciate our listeners Troy Escamilla: Well you t you two, you two. I Roger: for for for allowing us this pause, you know. Troy Escamilla: I yeah, and I do feel like, you know, I feel I I know you have a film festival that I'm kicking myself really hard for not submitting to it. it's in Delaware. that I think you're you're planning on going to. It's kind of the end of September. I I didn't submit to it because it was a it was a new festival and they they charged per category and I was like, but now looking at it and and seeing seeing it kind of what they're doing, it looks like they really have it together. So I am really kicking myself. Roger: Yeah. Troy Escamilla: For that one. But Roger: Yeah. Troy Escamilla: I I do feel like it's, you know, the festival run for both of our films is probably coming to an end. I only have I only have festivals out till November that I'm waiting to hear from and then that's it. that you know, and I think, you know, we we had a pretty decent run, all things considering the competition out there right now is tough for indie films, especially features. So I'm happy. I I do hope I get into at least one or two more. There's one or two more that I would love to get into, but we shall see. We shall see. Roger: Yes, and I will be at the Delaware event. if any of our listeners are in Delaware, come and find me. I'll be at Whorehound in Cincinnati. Meets playing Troy Escamilla: yeah. Roger: at Whore Hound. we've got a few other things we're not able to announce yet that I do know, but we'll be having our South American premiere coming up Troy Escamilla: Look at that. Roger: in the next month or so, so that's exciting. and we'll also be playing in Oklahoma. We'll be having Troy Escamilla: No. Roger: our Oklahoma premiere for the Red Fern Reaper. film festival. So I mean I I've I've got a lot to celebrate. there's been some sadness too. I I think we can't dive into the the r review today without acknowledging some major fucking losses that just happened. you know, this is week of that we're recording it that we lost fucking Dolly Parton and Tim Curry back to fucking back. Talk about a gay horror podcast. You lose the gay icon to outshine all gay icons. I'm sorry, Dolly's always been Near and dear to my heart. And then, you know, a queer icon in his own right, but but also representing the horror fans with films like it, and even like, you know, Rocky Horror Picture Show having those undercurrents of of really extreme sci-fi and horror visuals t woven into what is this musical spectacular, Tim Curry, you know, two massively influential personalities that I know have affected a lot of our listeners. And just last week. Losing Hayden fucking penetiere. And it feels like the ultimate trifecta of loss. I'm really going through it. You all know, listeners, you know that I love Scream Four and I love Kirby Reed more than anything, near and dear to my fucking heart. So I've been going through it, and I'm sure you have as well, Troy. And listeners, Troy Escamilla: Okay. Roger: I'm sure you've been feeling it too. So if anyone needs to vent or reach out and talk about these things, 'cause you know, pop culture it does hit us a certain way. It may feel very Parasitic in a way, the way that we latch onto these celebrities. They go like what they call it, parasocial, or what do they call that? Troy Escamilla: I th yeah, p pro parasocial, that's the correct word I believe. Maybe. Roger: Yeah, we're we're like we, you know, we basically develop our lives like idolizing these figureheads Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Roger: and not many people deserve it, but I think the people that we lost in this last week and a half or so are individuals that were good fucking people and also represented a lot of things that we really love and that we appreciate about our culture in general. So I think it's fair for us to be feeling a certain way. Troy, how are you dealing as a as a gay man and as a horror fan? Troy Escamilla: You know, it's it it just feels like there's just this weird, I don't know, weird energy that has sort of s permeated this year. And you know Hayden Pantia a complete shock. I mean, she was so young, so young. And, you know, I adored Scream 4 too. We covered Scream 4 in the podcast. And and Kirby Reed is definitely one of the reasons why that film is such an enjoyable watch. Her and Emma Roberts. But also, you know, I mean, look how excited the fans were when she returned for Scream Six. I mean, that was that was a monumental thing. I just remember internet exploding. you know, and then she also did things like Heroes. I watched Heroes religiously. When it first came out, you know, the cheerleader. So losing her, I mean, that's somebody that's not far from our age. And it's like, wow. it just shows you how just precious life can be. And you know, Dolly Part and Tim Curry, they they 80 years old, both of them, they had spectacular lives. Dolly, of course, a gem, one of the probably most genuine celebrities ever to walk the face of the earth. I I love Nine to Five, the movie. it's one of my favorites. she's great in steel magnolias. and then you got Tim Fucking Curry, who, you know, I I r I just ad admire him as a as a human being and an actor, but I his performance in clue. I love that movie. We covered that. And it's so it's just like look Roger: yeah. Troy Escamilla: looking back, I just like wow. You know, we're times are time just isn't necessarily kind as it continues on, is it? Roger: It is not. It is not. I just watched last night Best Little Whore House in Texas and like you know, let me tell ya, I've been I've been singing You'll be fine and dandy. Hot candy Christmas Troy Escamilla: I bel I bel yeah, I bel yeah, that's a great I believe Charles Durden got an Oscar nomination for that, if I remember correctly. Yeah. those whores. my God. We well that's gonna Roger: Ugh All them whores getting on that bus crying, that's you and me, those those old whores heading to Vegas. Troy Escamilla: hey, there's some there's some brothels around here. If you want to go check out, we can we can bust with a brothel. but sp speaking of whores Roger: What about what better transition. Speaking of horrors, I d I do have to note one more thing. Today is literally to the day, the ten year anniversary of Troy and I connecting on social media and and getting to know each other in general. So I have to acknowledge that this is a special episode. It's a special Troy Escamilla: I did Roger: day. Troy Escamilla: I didn't even see that. I don't see a lot of those Roger: Yes. Troy Escamilla: notifications anymore. I used to get them, like they would show up, and now I now I actually have to like search to into memories. I don't know what happened. But that is amazing. 10 years. So that would have been what 20, what is this? 2026. And then we ended up meeting. I think the first time we met was in 2017 when I was in Cleveland for Mrs. or Stirring at the time, playing at the International Horror Film Festival back when that labia or Lameo ran it. Roger: Lady a magenta with International Horror Hotel, Cleveland's Cleveland's own, bringing people together. Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Cleveland's finest, yes. Bringing people together. Roger: beautiful memories. And what better film to cherish and celebrate and honor the ten years of of beautiful memories than a film about a whore a whore nurse killing people without pants on? I mean, really like This film, I think this film's tailor-made for people like you and I. It's really not tailor-made for many people. and I'm not even saying I like the film, but really like if if this creative team sat down and said, Here's the pitch. This is what we're gonna do. They had individuals exactly like you and myself, Troy, in mind when conceptualizing this. Cause we're the only people, we're the only people out there that'd be like, Mm, yes, a slutty sex addicted killer nurse. Who likes to take her pants off, massacring men. I can't think of a lot of people responding to this film, and very few did. So that proves my point, does it not? Troy Escamilla: Very few people did. I mean, I don't even know where to necessarily begin with this film. you're you're thrown right into the action. Like there is there is no mystery in surrounding who the killer is, what their motive is, because you get right away that shot of Paz de Fuerta wearing this woman has the the an array of see-through dresses. And she does not own a pair of Roger: Troy. Troy Escamilla: she does I just like her or just I don't she I don't know her doesn't own a pair of panties. Pair of panties doesn't exist. I I'm I don't know who where these places that she's going look pretty upscale. Like if I was like the bell man or whatever at the doorman at the door and I saw this broad walking in in a see-through dress with literally her vag and her ass visible. Clear as day, I'd be like, ma'am, I'm sorry. You, you, you need to go put some panties on before you can come into our establishment. They just let her in. Roger: This isn't like the the red carpet at the MTV music video awards. Like, this is like an upscale restaurant, and Paz de la Huerta is walking around in a body stocking that you would have gotten from like I don't know Fredericks of Hollywood or something like that. Like this this woman, like where is she obtaining these outfits to begin with? And they're definitely not ensembles that should be used for everyday wear. They're for sexual acts. But for this gal, I guess life is a sexual act. I you know, we we really need to focus on Paz de Huerta. As we jump into this review, there's no way that we can avoid acknowledging that she is the main focus throughout the entire course of the film. there's other major characters, but Abby i is the focus and she is the villainess. And I mean there are some big bold decisions made with this character. Not just her wardrobe and even her nurse wardrobe. What's going on with that? Her her jugs are rolling out of her uniform. She's bending over patients who are fucking on life support and her knockers are rolling out and they're in front of their faces, these poor people. and sh it seems to Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Roger: be standard fare for this hospital. So like I don't know what's going on there. But just the character of Abby, I don't understand what the endgame was with this character, you know? And I don't really know like what they were going for. And part of me feels like truly like Pazde Huerta just gave an a truly awful performance. But I also Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Roger: do believe that part of it is just like the direction that she was given because this character is very specific. Like the character of Abby is unlike any character we've ever encountered on Dark Knight of the Podcast. I can't compare her to anything. For better and for worse. For much worse than better. But it's just, it's just a very strange character. And they were they were really trying to go like the route of like a like a take on like almost like an American psycho or like a Norman Bates, like an everyday person who beneath the surface there's something crazy brewing. And this time, it's a nurse. This is what nurses are like. when when they get home and all the things you don't see about them, they're actually all crazy because of of what they're going through. I think they're trying to maybe have some kind of social commentary on what nurses go through, but it completely misses the point. it doesn't hit at all. It's such a fucking weird decision to make this character act the way she does. Troy Escamilla: Well, I be you're you're on to something because do you there is an there's opening text that that starts the movie. I'm gonna read it because it it it plays into what you just said. It it says during the last 30 years, the FBI has documented that more murders have occurred within the healthcare profession than any other profession. It has also produced the greatest number of known serial killers. So there's always that thread of yes, like, being a nurse, being being in the health profession. I've always heard Things like, never date, like especially if you're gay, never date like a a a male nurse because it's one of the most promiscuous professions out there. thing and just there's there's always there's like these stigmas tied to the medical professions. the high stakes cause you so much distress and you have to figure out ways to outlet that. And we've heard numerous stories of nurses murdering patients, several you know, blah, blah, blah. So there is that stigma, and I think then this takes it and just amps it up. And and you have this character, this Abby character. And I don't know how I feel about Pos de Haloertas I I don't know what she's doing. And again, I I don't necessarily know if it's her fault. or like you said, the direction. I don't know if she was given direction. I I know that we we we have to acknowledge that because I think her character is and her performance is so maligned when it comes to thinking about this movie, She she filed like a $55 million lawsuit saying that this movie ruined her career and that several of her scenes were dubbed by the voice of another actress and Roger: Mm-hmm. Troy Escamilla: that that really that created the kind of weird, wonky imbalance of her character. So she's the lawsuit was dismissed, but let's just I'm just putting it out there to acknowledge that she knows that this movie had a very negative reception and a very negative effect on her career. Roger: It's strangely a product of the time, but it's also very unlike anything else that came out during that era. there are certain things like the three D element. it's it's called nurse three D, to be clear. And there are moments of three D do they do anything to actually benefit or enhance the film at all? No. No. Actually, the three D effects are normally pretty horrible. I can't imagine watching this movie in three D. I really don't think it was necessary in any way to make this a 3D film. I just think it was part of the trend of, you know, you had Piranha 3D and all those other fucking films, My Bloody Valentine. So like, sure, let's make it 3D, whatever. but really like I think that that's the one aspect that bogs it down in that mid-2000s kind of overly digitalized product of that era. Because other aspects of it almost feel like Like exploitation films of the 80s, even maybe the 70s. it doesn't feel like other films coming out at that time. And it's so weird that this film even got like the green light to move forward because it just tonally it feels kind of out of nowhere, you know? The the way it handles the female characters, the hyper over sexualization, her character in general, like her dialogue is just so aggressively over the And it's so just sexual and it's like funny, but a oftentimes I don't think it was really supposed to be. So there's this weird element of humor. It just very unclear to me what they wanted the final product to be. And I do think that there had to be some issues with the production. I believe that what Nurse 3D ended up becoming is is not what was initially completely envisioned. I I have that gut feeling. because it seems like there's a lot of people involved who are who are not happy with it, especially the female lead. I mean, is her performance god awful? Yes. Does it add to the cam factor? my god, Abso fucking lutely. Like I wouldn't I wouldn't trade it out for the world because Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Roger: it's so funny to watch it, but I definitely don't think that was intended. Troy Escamilla: No, and she's definitely she definitely has a very unique look. she's very striking, you know, and I think that also plays well into the character. I can f I can kind of forgive her performance because of the character physically is just so striking. Like and you can I I will I I can buy that men are that straight men are going to absolutely gravitate towards this girl. There's just something mysterious with her look. very unique look. But the film opens up and we find out that sh I mean, again, this film does not know the word subtle at all. Like I was waiting for moments of you know subtleness in this film. And in fact, it just increasingly gets more and more brash as it goes on. But like right away, you're introduced to this character. She's at this very high-end luxury restaurant. she she explains through a lot of voiceovers, because we get a lot of voiceovers, that basically she is. A a nurse and her job, her real job is to basically punish men who cheat. I mean, that's that's what it comes down to. And she is very, she has some very vitriolic words about men who cheat. She says that they are, they are filthy, they are they are the scum of society, that all they do is infect in giant millions of vaginas and their homeworks and things like that. And she does meet this cute, this cute dude who sees her with her. you know, bare ass dress. And he immediately takes off his wedding ring. And you get this whole thing where he goes to pay for her drink. She's being very, you know, flirty. She reaches into his pocket, pulls out his wedding ring, and, you know, is like, what would your wife think about this? And he's like, well, she doesn't have to know. It ultimately leads to them going up to the t top of this building, like the the the the rooftop. And she is just aggressively Like she takes his wallet, she f finds his family picture, and she's just aggressively questioning about his family. And he's just like, I don't want to talk about that right now. I don't want to talk about that right now. And she per proceeds to like reach in his pants and starts to give him a hand job and takes a s fucking scalpel and slits his femoral artery and tells him this is your this is your reward for being a cheating scum. Your wife and kids are gonna be better off without you. You're gonna bleed out here in about thirty seconds. So you e you either can Stand up and try to make it down the steps or take the easy route down. And Roger, she proceeds to just push this man over the railing or over the off the roof. And he lands very again, we want to talk about bad effects. You can tell this is this is one of part of the three the 3D, but it looks really bad. He lands on a a picket fence, which one of those, but I'm like, this is weird. Why would this be, why would this type of fence be? on the streets of of New York City, 'cause that's where they're at, I think. And it's just like it's one of those wrought iron picket fences you'd see surrounding a cemetery. And I you could just tell that it's just it was the scene was just there. They just used that because they wanted the v image of it. It makes zero sense that this would be around that building. So whatever. Roger: And we're getting lines from Paz de La Huerta that are just Troy Escamilla: I I know you ha you you have them memorized. I need to hear them in that breathy voice because I I tried to do it the voice and I just can't that Roger: There's no cure for the marriage. That is just an example of of one of the fabulous line deliveries that we get from her in this role. And like again, in the camp factor is out of this world. So like you kind of embrace it. It's it's almost like a a horror version of of Showgirl or something like that. You know, like it's so big, it's so over the top, it's so campy. And you talked about her look, but those big pouty red lips, and then this strange decision to Always have an intense lip, but never any eye makeup. Did you notice that? Like no Troy Escamilla: Mm. Roger: eyeliner, no eyeshadow, no lashes. it's such a it is a striking look. It's just so different. She's got that big voluminous hair and those bangs. But yeah, it's just it's it there's a lot of really interesting traits about her that you learn right away that that keep you captivated with the character, even though the line readings are normally terrible. Her presence and her look and those glares that she gives still really work. There's still something about the character that is captivating. And one of the things I like about her is that she does start to spew, you know, right away her knowledge of like the medical profession. You know, as a nurse, she knows a lot of things. She's injecting people with things. She's cutting people strategically in certain areas to cause the most damage possible. She's doing things and going unnoticed. By, you know, everyday people on the street. Like she she does a lot of things in public that she gets away with somehow, some way. And it's because she is very calculated with her decisions. She is completely insane. You know, we learn that right away, and that is explored. But she's also very smart. You know, she Troy Escamilla: Mm. Roger: does almost have a and like I think you're all gonna laugh when I say this, but I think it does make complete sense, a Hannibal Lecter like quality to her. Like she is extremely knowledgeable within her profession. She's known to be, you know, one of the top performers. You learn this pretty quickly as well. You know, once you get into the hospital setting, because that's coming up really soon. I think she's the head nurse and she's training a lot of the girls and she's very serious about her job. And it, you know, it means a lot to her, and she's very, very knowledgeable. But then there's this other side of her that is completely insane. And it does make for a very interesting contrast, you know? and and again, for a rather interesting character, performance aside. Troy Escamilla: Yeah. She is actually she's actually the nurse nurse of the month. Right. We meet the head nurse here in a minute. which give me a fucking break. Roger: Briefly. Troy Escamilla: my God. What the w what what was w okay, we'll get there. Roger: Waste. Troy Escamilla: Yes. So she has we we learn that she is she's walking the halls of the the the hospital, All Saints Hospital. She the we see her picture as a as nurse of the month. she's like, you know, I take my job very seriously, and also we're we're we're also given We're also giving new nurses to mentor. And here is mine. So we see we see the the the nurse that she's mentoring Danny Rogers. And you can tell that she definitely is a little bit smitten with Danny. She's she says, Danny reminds me of me so much. You know, I can't wait to to really get to know her. and then you kind of get this shot. She's and have I I I love my job as a nurse. And if you're a nurse, you know what? Just Go go with the flow. And we get that shot of her like riding that dead guy with all the needles in him and she's like says that line, she's like, I fucking love my job. Roger: Many people has she killed? How long has she been doing this? And how is she getting away with it? But I guess as Troy Escamilla: I don't know. Roger: a nurse, you know how to clean up the evidence like real well. Like I'm sure that comes with the job you know, unavoidably, considering what she does for a living, knowing how to get rid of blood and DNA and shit, I'm sure it just comes naturally. You get introduced to a massive cast really quick here. Like, as soon as you get into the hospital, after she's riding that dead dude. You're introduced kinda to everyone, like one after another. You've got Katrina Bowden from 30 Rock, Lover. You've got sexy Corbin Bleu, Troy Escamilla: Mm-hmm. Roger: who really grew into a man in this one. I mean, he is Troy Escamilla: Mm-hmm. Roger: looking certainly not looking like the cherub that we saw in goddamn high school musical. I mean, this is a man and he's Troy Escamilla: No. Mm-hmm. Roger: looking the part. We fucking Nisi Nash as Regina. Troy Escamilla: my god, I forgot she was in this. I forgot she was sh she she probably forgot she was in this. Sh Roger: I mean I we all forgot she was in this. Remember when Necy Nash used to do anything that came her way? Understandable. Nisi Nash playing Necy Nash, because that's all she needs to do. Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Well, I mean, she's had a pretty good career. She won an Emmy a couple years ago for that Dahmer television series, which she's phenomenal in, dramatic Roger: Mm. Troy Escamilla: role that she got to sink her teeth into. But r this yeah, she's literally just playing herself. She's just there to to give, you know, smart aleck comments, smart ass comments. you get Roger: Dad Nelson. Troy Escamilla: Judd Nelson. You get Judd Nelson playing d Dr Dr. Morris, right? we just hey, we we know and love Judd Nelson from that fucking blonde wig at the of People in the Lake or Cabin by the Lake or whatever that was. We cut my lord, we Roger: Cabin by the lake. A favorite. Troy Escamilla: covered that. We covered that one a few episodes back. Go listen to that. And you got Martin Donovan playing Danny's stepfather, Larry Cook. And then Roger, you we get introduced because it is it is the nurse's graduation. Danny's graduating, she's gonna become a full fledged nurse. We get introduced to head nurse Betty Watson. Waltzing up on that stage. And when I saw her, I'm like, my God, we are gonna have a we're in for a treat with this movie because it is none other than Miss Serial Mom herself, Kathleen Turner. However, they give they literally, Roger, give Kathleen Turner three lines, you never see her again. Roger: When I said earlier that I feel like this production did not go to plan, I think this is an example right there of exactly what I'm speaking of, because you cannot tell me that you brought Kathleen Turner onto any project really and wasted her like this, like wasted her sheer scale of talent. Like this, anyone could have done this. This is a featured extra role. And like the way they present it, like you really think she's going to be present. Like you feel like she is going to be a force. And it would make sense that she was. If if Abby is is, you know, basically working under her and she is the head nurse, then I feel like Abby would be reporting to her. Abby would have regular interactions with her. I feel Deep down in my heart that Kathleen Turner got in that set and said, Absolutely fucking not. Absolutely not. And she's like, Well, I'm in and out. Well I give you one day. One day. And they got enough to put her fucking name on the top of the poster. Because it's all over all the promo material, Kathleen fucking Turner. Yet not not in the trailer, I believe. I don't think you see her in the trailer. Troy Escamilla: No, no, but I was so flabbergasted. I wonder if I wonder if her role was supposed to be bigger. I cause I I just can't imagine Kathleen Turner like agreeing to do three lines of dialogue. I I I don't Roger: There's no way. Troy Escamilla: maybe, maybe she was I don't know. I don't think she was. I think she's pretty consistent in in working, but I I something's up. I wonder if she left the project or whatever. because again, guys, I am not she literally has three lines. She introduces the graduating class. And that's it. Roger: It's she's presented in a very like grand way where they're like, no, it's the head nurse and she gives a speech. And yeah, just it feels like she would be playing a factor in the storyline. Not at all. You never see her again. So yeah, big disappointment, big red X. That's already one major negative. They lost a full star just with that. and they're gonna continue to drop. but I mean overall the rest of the cast, I'll say like for the most part. The cast here is pretty capable. I think with better material, they would be better. I don't think poor Katrina Bowden is in her finest form playing the character of Danny. but Danny's character experiences a lot of really weird shit that makes like no sense. the things that happen over the course of this film are so nonsensical that, like, I'm like, how would a human actually respond to these things? I don't know. So it's not like anyone's winning any awards with this film, but it is a very talented group. people that's on display. Troy Escamilla: No, it is. It is. I mean the cast the cast is impressive, but I d I don't know what was going on with the production and the directing and I I have something's up here. but so Abby, after the little graduation ceremony, Abby does get to meet Danny's mom, her stepfather, and then she's introduced to Cor Corbin Blue. Yeah, he's gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous. and s he's playing Steve, Abby's boyfriend. And Right away, Abby's demeanor changes slightly. You can tell there she you can tell that she's not too thrilled that Abby has a or Danny has a boyfriend. You can tell there's something up because she kind of dismisses herself dismisses herself and leaves the situation. and then we b basically we cut to Danny at the hospital that night. She gets a text from Steve saying he's or he's on the like the fourth floor or something. So she's walking through the dark hospital. And she comes into it, she hears a noise in in a room, and she goes into the room and there's a jump scare. As Steve grabs her, Roger, and proceeds to like just rail this girl, right? In the hospital unused hospital room. We get to see his we get to see his li nice little ass. he's he's railing the shit out of her. When guess who walks in and catches him? Miss Nisi Nash herself. That full attitude and spunk. Roger: If anyone's gonna catch me on the job fucking, let it be Nisi Nash, because you she's gonna be like, ha ha, have at it. She's you know Nisi Nash is gonna be like, I'm jealous. Like, I love her character. It does bring an element of levity that a lot of these unusually tense moments need because the drama is so over the top that she helps break it sometimes. but part of me is like, do do nurses be fucking like this on premises? Troy Escamilla: That's what I'm telling you. I you probably I've like I said, I've been told numerous Roger: I I get it. Troy Escamilla: times that, you know, not to not to yeah, stay yeah, if you're gay, don't date anybody that's in a nursing profession. But also, we also get introduced to kind of a f the friction that exists between Danny and Steve because he he asks her to move in with him and he's been pressuring her to move in with him. And she has to keep telling him, No, it's too soon. I need to stay with my mom. I need you know, she has concerns about her mom dating that. Larry dude, because she has suspicions that he's not a good guy, which are confirmed real quick. but yeah, so that's so there's some relationship friction, there's Nisi Nash, there's yeah. There's fucking yeah. Roger: Fat ass fat ass. It's a good asteroid. Troy Escamilla: I that's what I said. His hot little ass plowing her. she's very Yeah what Roger: I know. I just gotta give it an extra moment. Is b it's that good of an ass. Troy Escamilla: Well you know, he know he know he knew what he was doing taking this role. You know, this is a I think this is a prime example of someone like a someone taking a role specifically so they could be like break the shell of their childhood. you know what I mean, persona. Roger: Against the mole. Troy Escamilla: You know, because he he he shows his ass, he's shirtless half the movie. Katrina Bowen's very careful about showing any nudity. yeah, showering with panties Roger: Including showering with her panties on. Troy Escamilla: on. Every time she showers, she's wearing her panties. I'm like, honey. What are you doing? Roger: Like no, I mean, like, you don't got anything to worry about. I mean, technically she does. This fucking crazy nurse is obsessing over her, but how often does that really happen? Like just fucking shower like a normal fucking person, Troy Escamilla: Right. Roger: Katrina Bowden. But yeah, I mean, and I also gotta say, when it comes to the costuming department, everyone looking like sluts. All the nurses are walking around in these plunging necklines. Troy Escamilla: Hmm. my god. That one. Who's that one coming up later? Michelle that gives her the the the the six doses of whatever that chemical is. Do you remember Michelle sitting at that desk? That phl her fucking I mean I was like, Huh? my god, this is th this looks like the Roger: Yeah. Troy Escamilla: start of a porn. Roger: It looks like a porn. I mean, it's very intentional, obviously. Also, like all the nurses are in like stiletto platforms. Like, like no, no nurses could be wearing these uncomfortable heeled shoes on the job. Everyone's wearing fucking sketchers or s I don't know, crocs, something like that. No nurse looks that hot. And even Steven Corbin Bleu in that goddamn EMS uniform, like that thing is stitched. Within an inch of his life. It's like Olivia Newton John in the ending of Greece. Like where her pants she got sewn into those pants. That's what he looks like in that goddamn EMS uniform. And I'm thankful for it. But I've never seen an EMS uniform look like that. Troy Escamilla: Well me too. I was just gonna say, I'm th I'm thankful for it as well. so Danny's Danny's first real day at at her job really doesn't go too well because there is this major car accident and all of these mangled victims are being wheeled in and she is totally overwhelmed and is even just it's a physically affecting her seeing these mangled bodies and and Abby's like Abby's voiceover is like, Danny didn't know what to expect. She thinks that, you know, nursing isn't just sticking thermometers up butts. It's it's, you know, you have to be you have to be prepared. And she wasn't. And then because of her reaction, like she just stands there. Like she should be helping the doctor, Judd Nelson's character, scolds her, is screaming at her and is like, You, you dumb, you dumbass, if you can't handle the job, you don't need to be here, blah, blah, blah. And Abby Abby hears this and takes note, and she mentions that she really thinks that Dr. Morris gets off on humiliating these young nurses, and that he probably has a he's probably had a a heart on while he was screaming at Danny. Now, this doctor is also dis despicable. Like there are so many despicable people at this hospital and just all around in this movie that I mean it's one of those things that's like, are are people this shitty? Like for real? Like, are there this many shitty people around? And I guess the answer is yeah. Roger: Absolutely. And I get it. I think people are shitty and they be fucking because they're seeing mangled corpses all the time. Like the the volume of of carnage that's brought into this hospital is insane. And like these poor nurses are constantly exposed to trauma. so I get why they're pissy and I get why they're fucking. you mentioned, and I just think it is worth noting this, you mentioned a couple times her voiceover. And I do to be clear, like, the entire film is narrated by Abby. Like, it is her reflecting on everything from her perspective. It's her angle on everything. And this is the aspect of the film that is apparently dubbed. Is it it is a different actress who is giving Abby's narrative perspective of the film. And upon like the first time I watched it, I truthfully I didn't catch it. When you know it, once you are aware of it, it's undeniable. It is completely noticeable only because the the actress that is giving the voiceover, that's doing the voice work, is clearly attempting to replicate Paz de La Jorta's voice to a certain extent, but it's clear they're like, We need you bring it back, like you know, five notches. Tone it the fuck down. Like whatever it is she's doing, like we need a hint of it, but right now she sounds absurd and we need to just have a hint of Abby in there. and I do think in some ways it's probably for the betterment of the film, because I can't imagine seeing Paz de la Juerta's take on Abby when she's just playing the character, I can't imagine hearing it as a disembodied voice. Like I couldn't imagine being subjected to her voice in that. breathy, exaggerated, just over the top, that accent. which doesn't make sense because I I don't believe she has an accent in reality. it just it's so unnatural the way she talks throughout the film. To have heard it as a narrative I think would have been pretty rough to get through. Troy Escamilla: There's all there's all kinds of points in the in her dialogue where she's all even she sounds childlike and the line delivery is just really just I don't I don't it's awkward. so basically that evening, in the lot in the shower room, Danny's in there getting, you know, getting dressed and Abby comes in and just undresses right in front of her and just kind of consoles her and is like, you know what, it happens to everybody, you just gotta keep your head up. You know, Dr. Morris, he's a he's a dickhead, just get used to it. And why don't we go out for drinks? So they go out for drinks and they get to the club, but before they go into this club, they see or Danny sees Larry, who is her stepfather, right? Married to her mother, sees Larry with another younger woman. And she actually goes and confronts him. It's like, I thought you were at that conference. Did you did you tell my mom you were home yet? And he's like, You're out of line. And he speeds away. Danny's upset. So they go into this bar and Abby starts lickering Danny up, pouring shots down her throat. and even Roger drugs her drink and proceeds to bring this hot blonde guy into the mix. And the three of them are just kissing and dry humping and doing all the all you can do on the dance floor without actually fucking. They're doing it all. And the whole time, Abby is taking pictures. and You kind of you you you don't really think anything of it at first, but then you realize like this was very calculated. She she knew exactly what she was doing by taking these pictures. They actually go back to Abby's apartment, the three of them, and they they fuck. And the whole time Abby has taken pictures. But it's it's happened and it's it's done in that really like flashy strobe like like music video type style that we that was really Roger: We see more dude ass. Like, that's the second male, Troy Escamilla: Yeah, I'll t I'll take it. Roger: but I'll take it. Like, okay. I you know, I look at this whole scenario, and you know, earlier I said I'm confused by their the creative team behind this. I'm really baffled by their choices with Abby because I just don't feel like they knew what they wanted the final result to be. And I think here's a really good example. Like the overall endgame with Abby. You know, she wants to get close with Danny. And that's expressed right away. And she wants to have the ability to manipulate, sure. Okay. But so quickly she puts Danny in a vulnerable pos vulnerable position where she's Troy Escamilla: She Roger: really like, I mean, honestly, putting her in danger because you find out that she she drugs, she roofies Danny. and in the middle of such an emotionally vulnerable moment at that, everything that happens with finding her stepfather, if this was twenty twenty six, all Danny would have to do is fucking turn her phone on and start live streaming that shit and that guy's Whole life could have been ruined, you know? But she doesn't say anything. She doesn't do anything. She goes out, she drinks, she gets drunk, and she lets Abby take advantage of her. And it's just, it's so weird because, you know, they're starting to develop a friendship. And Danny is putting herself in a place where she's trusting Abby. And Abby right away, without hesitation, takes advantage of that trust and instigates something really shitty. Like I guess it's Part of it is because she expressed that she doesn't feel like Steven is right for Danny or good for her, and maybe she picks up on that immediately. But overall, her decision to film and photograph Danny and have this compromising material, it just seems like it almost put the cart ahead of the horse. You know? I I don't understand why Abby is so Turned on by hurting another woman, I guess is is my perspective here. They explain they give c a really clear example later on in the film, through flashback, they explain her angle when it comes to men. And okay, sure, I it makes sense. If that's the pitch, I'll catch it. But her choice to compromise another woman, that is not explained to me. maybe it stems from like her rage towards the female nurse that she found her father cheating with. You know, that's gonna come up later. but it's certainly not giving a clear answer. And you know, maybe it's a scenario where she is mentally unstable enough that her desire to make friends is just something that she f feasibly cannot follow through with and actually be successful at because she is the maker of her own destruction. But That's that angle is not explored enough for me to buy it. I just don't understand why she is so quick and so willing to hurt Danny in the midst of all this. The guys, I'll I'll I'll take it. I think that's intr interesting. I think that's a a perfectly fine angle and I'll follow along with it. But her her willingness to hurt Danny just never made sense to me. I could see maybe if that came later, like Danny had already really started turning against her or expressing a need to pull away. And so they have a night where she gets her drunk and then she takes the photos. But for her to do that like right off the bat, it just makes her seem really despicable beyond like her killing shitty men. It just makes her really hard to be like the anti hero in a way in this story. I feel like that was their goal was to kind of make her a likable villain. A villain that you would want to see come back and and follow their story as they go off and commit more debauchery. But this really provides an angle where I think Abby becomes quite detestable. and I'm I can't even comedically root for her after this, you know? Troy Escamilla: No, I mean she's she drugs and sexually assaults this this girl and lets another random stranger sexually assault this girl. I mean, because sh she is roofied. And it is a ri very weird thing because like like you said, it just doesn't mesh with with what her intentions are that we just learned five minutes ago at the beginning of the film. Like I'm sitting down, I'm thinking, I'm gonna watch a film about this n this nurse who is getting revenge on men who cheat. Okay, interesting premise. But then right away Danny is introduced and she becomes fixated on Danny. And yeah, their very first night out, their very first night out, she does this really shitty thing. So it's like w is she sh obviously she's just a psychopath. She's in her mind, she's justifying the fact that she kills men, for cheating. But I think in reality, she just is a fucking psychopath that would kill anybody. It's just easy to justify killing men. Because I mean, look at how this this movie ends, like the final, you know, five minutes of this film, like what how it just goes off the fucking rails. but yeah, so poor Danny wakes up the next morning and really doesn't remember any of what's happened. And Abby is already acting like they're in a relationship. It's real weird. Abby is naked. Let's she gets up. I mean, we see that shaved vag full glory for about five minutes as she's walking around her apartment. But she's telling She's telling Danny, you need to stay with me. Why don't you spend the day with me and we can we can just have have have some alone time together? Why don't you call off to work? You know, call in sick. And and Danny says, I can't call in sick. It's my first it's my first week. And Abby's like really trying to convince her. And Danny's like, Nope, you know what? I I gotta go. You know, I feel like shit, but I'm not sick. I gotta go. And she makes the comment, can we pretend this never happened? And that irks Abby to no end. She's like, How is she doing this to me? Like I just gave her the a great night and now she wants nothing to do with Roger: There's so many contradictions within not only within the scene, but within the character of Abby. And, you Troy Escamilla: Mm-hmm. Roger: know, even the the lesbianic angle, it feels like nothing more than like straight man fantasizing lesbian smut. You Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Roger: know, like it it doesn't feel authentic to the story or the characters. And not saying I don't think Abby could be a lesbian, sure, but nothing else she does is at all. I think Hinting at that. And so when it all of a sudden comes into this not just desire to be f really close and friends with Danny, but to make it something romantic, you're right. This whole scene where, like, you know, Danny wakes up and and Abby just has blinders on. Like she refuses to accept that Danny wouldn't want to spend the day with her. And she's immediately so hurt by it. It just again like seems like really offensive that she as a as a Fellow woman wouldn't hear Danny on this, Danny's complete lack of interest now that she's sober in being with a woman. You know, like as a potentially queer individual, to completely disregard that is just horribly offensive to me. Like, why would you continue to pursue this girl? It just feels so strange. And it really feels like it's shoehorned in there. Just for the sake of like the eroticism of it all, you know, and to the the Troy Escamilla: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Roger: sex factor, it doesn't feel like it does anything for the story. It just kind of pushes the story along faster than this needed to move. There's other things I think that they could have skimmed away from this and spent more time developing the relationship between these two women. it just feels like they barrel through this. And right off the bat, Abby is cuckoo bananas. I mean, but maybe that's what they wanted. Maybe they wanted someone so unstable that as soon as an individual was introduced into her life that she was interested with or, you know, infatuated with that, you know, it d it nothing else matters. Like she's willing to kind of just put it all out there and really let her crazy show. But I don't think it benefits the story. That's just my personal takeaway. Troy Escamilla: No, I I don't think it does it either. It's just it's very weird to have the that's the secondary storyline in this movie based on what this movie is telling us it wants to be. so we do get a brief moment of meeting Abby's neighbor. I think his name's Gerald, right? just this kind of awkward dude that's always that always pops up randomly. We find out that he's really worried about Abby. He worries about her going out at night by herself. He says there's a lot of dangerous people out there. People get killed every day. And he's just really worried about her. This dude is introduced as just being overly paranoid. And Abby catches on to it, and it actually does come into play at the end of the film. So I do like the fact that they do that at least. They they they bring something full circle. but she Roger: Yeah, but his character literally only exists to have that moment. Like, you know, they Troy Escamilla: Exactly. Exactly. Roger: would they I think they knew they wanted it to end a certain way. And they're like, well, we have to have a character where that would make sense. So they introduce it's like, yeah, Jared. I think maybe it's Jared. he has a couple of brief moments. It's all about the same thing that he's really kind of obsessed with Abby. He's got this baseball bat, he's really ready to defend her, even though he's a complete nerd. and she finds it endearing. And you can see that she p like plays into it. Because she's going to use it to her advantage eventually, and it does come to fruition. Troy Escamilla: absolutely, yes. so Abby's on her way to see her psychiatrist, Roger. And as she's as she's backtracked because before Danny leaves the apartment, Abby starts to download all of the pictures that she took. And she's like, Well, if she's not going to want to be with me, then at least I will have these pictures for memories. And she starts downloading them all. And then she goes to see her psychiatrist, who happens to be Larry, Danny's stepfather. And this is Martin Donovan. And basically Abby's there because she is addicted to men. So she talks about like her sexual past and the fact that she was as a child she caught her dad cheating and he and he she had always looked up to him as somebody being a very important in his life. And She just has a lot of unresolved issues with her father that has caused her to have an addiction to men. And, you know, she's wearing the most tight, you know, revealing outfit she could. When she gets up, you know, her ass is right in his face. He offers to give her his personal number in case she ever needs to you know, talk outside of office time. And she catches on real quick that Larry, obviously, she knows this because of the night before seeing him out with another woman. That Larry is a cheater and he needs to he needs to die, ultimately. Roger: We also start to get introduced to some brief flashbacks of her childhood. Like it is definitely starting to hint at what happened here. she's so quick to just sexualize herself, which is one of her more intriguing aspects, I suppose. Like she is so smart when it comes to knowing how to manipulate a man and to get them to be vulnerable and get them exactly where she needs them to be. and it is really fun watching her. you know, with Larry kind of just guiding it all along, because she she knows she's it's clear that she's going to do something about this, you know. It's just putty in her hands. the any of the outfit she fucking wears. Holy shit, like, how does she get away going into a psychiatrist appointment? If I go to a shrink appointment, I'm in sweatpants and a hoodie, and I'm ready to cry. Her, she's ready to fuck. I mean, she goes in there on a mission, man. And he is all about it. Troy Escamilla: he takes the bait, definitely. so Danny gets to work that morning and she has flowers from Steve. Even Nishi Nash's character is like, your your man must have liked your waiting room because you got flowers from him. and then, of course, Abby comes in and sees the flowers and she's not impressed. We get her voiceover saying, I can't believe that Steve bought her those shitty, you know, flowers, just shitting on everything. There's a gunshot victim, right, who gets rushed in and So the nurses are there with with the doctor, and the doctor is like, he needs to be stabilized. He needs that that drug. Virconium? Vircon Virconium, something like that. it's a paralytic drug. They wanna they wanna stabilize him. So he tells her to go get six CBs from from it. This is when she goes up to that desk to Busty. I want to know more about this porn star looking late broad working at the hospital. Michelle. Straight out of Debbie does Dallas. Sword of God. Roger: Cup runneth over, I'll say that much. I Troy Escamilla: Ha ha ha. Roger: mean something runneth over. That's a b big Bazonga women working in this hospital. I mean, stacked, stacked women. I I feel bad. The the the amount of spinal deformation these women must have from having such big jugs working in those heels. I feel awful for these ladies. Like give them some comfortable scrubs. Come on, what year is it? Didn't things progress beyond this? But no, we got these fat titied women just getting the job done. But they're working. I mean, like, these gals are in it. These nurses are covered in blood and having to deal with all of this trauma. I mean, I don't know. It just seems like these outfits really are not a wise decision. It seems like they stay in very easily. Troy Escamilla: Well they're they're not hindering them apparently. They're they're they're still able to do their jobs, I guess. But but I don't know. But but the but Roger: Not hindering them indeed. Troy Escamilla: here we go. So we get Danny in the shower, her brawn panties on, just showering there. And and Abby's watching her and Abby gets that voiceover. She's There's there's that plump little ass of Danny's that I ate last night and I finger fucked her s to orgasm six times. Roger: My god, that poor girl drugged out of her fucking gourd as this horrible creep of a woman is fucking licking in Troy Escamilla: Ha ha Roger: her ass. I mean, god damn. Holy shit, Posne La Huerta. And she's bro she's gloating about it. She's so pleased with herself. Troy Escamilla: But then she thinks about the flowers again and she gets pissed and she goes over to the she goes over to the flowers because Danny has them sitting on the the bench there, the changing bench, and she's like, Fuck Steve. I'm not gonna be some little fuck toy. And she knocks the lace over and breaks it. And when Danny gets out of the shower, she's like meekly, my god, I'm so clumsy. I'm so sorry. I'll buy you a new vase. And they, you know, they it's revealed here that. Danny opens up about her having some problems with Ste with with Steve because he's pressuring her to move in. And she is also trying to deal with the fact that her dealing with her stepfather and his relationship with her mom. You know, she also she also has daddy issues because her dad died in a car accident. she says, my dad died when I was, you know, 13. And Pause De Lawertis acting here is she's like, w w what happened? my dad died too when I was eight. And here, here, take my apartment key. She gives Abby she gives Danny her apartment key. Danny's reaction here is real weird because I thought I thought Danny was catching on from the night before or the morning before that Abby was maybe not had more intentions for them than what she wanted. That's why she told her, let's forget this ever happened and next time let's just go out to you know to, you know, to coffee or something. But she eagerly, like beaming, takes this key. She's like, my God, thank you so much. Because she's like, Abby tells her, if you ever need a place to stay, if you ever want to get away from Steve, you ever want to get away from your your your stepdad, you could come to my apartment. I I thought her reaction to getting this key was a little too Gleeful after what just happened? I don't know, that's just me. Roger: While certainly not as poorly scribed as Abby's character tends to be, Danny's character definitely has her weaknesses as well and her inconsistencies. You know, Katrina Bowden is likable, but she goes the whole film like with this wide eyed just like gate mouth glare of confusion. I suppose just the onslaught of nonsense that's happening. I would too look like a deer in headlights at all times, but yeah, it definitely isn't the most fresh. flattering character. I would say for anybody who would have to play Danny because she's really just there to like look pretty and make bad choices. but yeah I guess she's like, okay, well you tried to well you successfully raped me. So like we'll say that and then you tried to date me after that. And I'm not a lesbian, so that was weird. You didn't have pants on the whole fucking time. I saw your vagina for no Troy Escamilla: Ha ha. Roger: reason at all. But okay, yes, I'll take you up on this after this over the top monologue. If you ever need anything or anywhere to go get away from Steve It's like what the fuck are you doing? Like what kind of soliloquy or Shakespearean performance are you trying to give us here? These big unnatural Pauses, it's just very dramatic. It sounds like she's giving a stage reading and a bad one at that, but it just doesn't feel like it even exists within the same universe as anybody else. It's so obnoxious. Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that evening she goes to meet Larry and he pulls up in his car. She's in just standing in the middle of the road, Roger, that skin tight white mini skirt looking good looking Roger: I wanna wear that fucking dress. Troy Escamilla: good. I mean, I'm not gonna hey she has the body for these. I'm gonna say she has the body for these outfits. She really does. Roger: Those long legs. Troy Escamilla: long legs, that big Plump ass, you know, that guy's I'm sure love. Roger: Big old titties. Troy Escamilla: Yeah. she gets into his car with him and you know, he thinks that you know, she he's like, What do you need a ride to your car? She's No, my car's fine. I just I just wanted to talk to you about my my my addiction. can we go somewhere? He's like, Yeah, let's go somewhere. She says, Well, why don't we go to your house? And he's like, No, we can't do that. She's like, yes, right. Wifey. So instead he takes her to this fucking alley, back alley. the dark back alley of New York City and they start like they start making out and there's that moment where their tongues are literally like just batting each other. Like they are licking each other's tongues and all this shit. And she pulls out that fucking needle and in the midst of them licking each other, she injects him with that virconium shit, that that paralytic drug, and he becomes immediately paralyzed. And sh she Roger: Wow, that was fast. Troy Escamilla: Yeah. And she has this whole breathy thing about how you know his wife, she's doing him a favor because she's gonna stage this like it was a car accident. She's like, this way your wife and your stepdaughter don't have to know what a piece of shit you are. And instead, they you they were they're gonna benefit from your death because they'll be able to inherit your insurance. And just just know that I'm doing you a favor. And and she she gets out of the car and she puts the car in drive. This poor paralyzed Martin Donovitz sitting there with that just look on his face. He can't move. Just rolling out rolling down the alley, rolling onto the fucking busy street of New York City when he's plowed into by a fucking garbage truck going 50 miles an hour. He flies through the window. Again, I I would think maybe this was supposed to be one of the 3D effects, but you do get that kind of I guess it's an okay effect of his like mangled body just hanging out the the windshield. It's pretty gnarly. It's pretty gnarly. Roger: I actually like this moment. I think that I mean you kind of see it coming. As soon as the car starts moving, you know, like, this thing's gonna get T-boned, and it sure fucking does. But I think the effect of him going through the windshield and specifically the after effect of his face where his lip is like torn upwards, so it's like mangled and revealing his gum line is actually it's it's pretty effective. And then she has that whole fun bit where the the the driver of the garbage truck is like, Lady, call the call the police, call nine one one. And she takes out her phone and she makes it look like she's calling nine one one, but she's actually ordering dinner and she proceeds to like untie his wrist because obviously he was bound through the process. She takes the restraint off his wrist and just struts away, going completely unnoticed. it's a pretty cool moment. I like it. Troy Escamilla: She's gonna get she's g she's gonna get some mushroom risotto or whatever the special was at that restaurant. Roger: That sounds delicious. Troy Escamilla: yeah. Mushroom r mush shaitake mushroom, she says. Roger: What are your specials this evening? Troy Escamilla: But but she is y she's using this shit that she has access to as a nurse to kill people. she gets back home, she's in her hallway, and that fucking Jared, Gerald or neighbor, comes out of his ho his apartment with a baseball bat. I mean, this is how paranoid this guy is. I mean, he hears a noise and he just immediately g grabs a baseball bat and goes out in the hallway. Doesn't he realize he lives in an apartment complex? If people probably come at home, and she even tells him, Jared, it's just me, get back into your apartment. Roger: They're really hidden at home that this guy is fucking like reactionary and paranoid. Like they're they're beating you over the head with it. You only see him a couple of times and every time you see him, it's the same fucking thing. He's a potato looking man, by the way. We haven't talked about how homely this guy is. I mean, I get it, it's the character. But he I mean, find a man that's more potato looking than this guy. He's so awkward and homely. And that's Troy Escamilla: Yeah Roger: why she's like, God, I can manipulate the fuck out of this guy. It's easy. I don't even need to drug him. Troy Escamilla: In a movie full of, you know, d good looking guys, he definitely stands out like a sore thr thrum. But okay, so Roger: I also really quickly want to note that after she kills Larry, she does have a great line where as she's strutting away, she says, Larry made me come after all. And I'm like, Okay, girl, like that's how you get your shit. Cause she does say as she's unpacking her shiitake mushroom risotto, she's like, A great dinner and an orgasm. Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Roger: Like, I mean, I really think this bitch is orgasming from killing these men. Like I you don't see her writhing in ecstasy, but I'm guessing she's dripping. I mean, she's Troy Escamilla: She's Roger: making it sound like she's really getting off to this shit. Troy Escamilla: She says she's dripping. She's like, I could f when she was watching the car roll into the street, she's like, I can feel the moisture down my legs. Roger: Just squirting. She's just she is just trickling with excitement over killing this guy. And I'm like, that's a problem. Like you should be seeing a psychiatrist, just not one that you're fucking. Troy Escamilla: Right. Well, she gets into her apartment and lo and behold, who is there? Sitting in the dark on the floor. Roger: It's a weird reveal. Troy Escamilla: Yeah, it's d d Danny. Okay, so of all the people because that she could go to for comfort, she decides to go to Abby because she tells Abby that Larry, her stepdad, is dead. And that she's strangely grieving, even though the whole movie she's been saying how much of an asshole he is. So I don't even understand why she's grieving for him in the first place, because everything about him that she has told anybody, it's like he's a fucking asshole. I don't trust him. That's I need to stay with my mom to protect her from Steve. But now she's grieving. Okay, whatever, whatever script. and then you know, Abby's like, well, you can you can stay with me as long as you want, you know, I I I I'll comfort you. And Danny's like, well, actually, I'm gonna move in with Steve. Whew. Well, this doesn't sit well with Abby at all. She proceeds to be like, Why would you move in with that loser? He's just some fucking loser you met in high school. You're a nurse now. Get it together. Roger: I mean, she's given her a whole speech about why Steven is not right for her and I guess why Abby is. Like I guess she's really trying to plead her case, but fact of the matter is, Abby, is I don't think Danny's a lesbian, and nothing you say is gonna sell her on this. yeah, it's a real weird argument. And this is the moment where Danny's like, Okay, I don't think we can really make this work on any level right now. And she does drop a couple hints making it clear that she knows like what happened to Larry, talking about him going through the windshield and Danny's Danny's even like, I didn't tell you that that that he had a car accident. Troy Escamilla: Well, she No, sh Yeah, no, she go she gets fully unhinged. She's like, Nobody'll care about you the way I do. Nobody. And that's when Danny's like, you what? I'm I'm leaving. I'm getting up and leaving. And then like even on her way out, Abby appears and blocks her in the doorway and says, I I just don't understand why you don't get that nobody's gonna care about you as much as I do. And I'm so glad Larry is dead. I hope his fucking dick was destroyed when he went through the windshield of that car. And Danny's like, yeah, Danny's like, I didn't tell you he died in a car crash. so Roger: Mm-hmm. Troy Escamilla: she gave away a big thing there. And so Roger: Well, I think it's worth noting too, because you said this, Troy. You mentioned like her response, Danny's response feeling very unnatural. And I think in a better script, the feelings of guilt that Danny would be having, obviously she saw him and probably thought really awful things about him, and then this guy dies. that's actually an interesting take on grief, like grieving someone who you did not like. But still feeling that human emotion of someone dying, that somebody in your life dying. What regardless of how you feel, you still feel something when they pass. but this script is significantly t underdeveloped. this script is is really just paint by numbers. So when you do get moments of like actual human emotion, it feels very unnatural. So I think there was something there that could have been expl explored. With Danny's character feeling something after this guy dies. But it's so basic. The dialogue is so simplistic, and the character is so thin that it's just it's not it it's not even a a major playing factor. her being there, feeling these emotions, being there and and wanting to talk to Abby, like would make sense to me, but they don't do anything with it. And there was an idea there, an interesting concept. But they they really waste it, I feel. Troy Escamilla: Yeah. now we're now we go to maybe the d a couple days later it is the funeral of of Larry and everyone's there. Even even Abby's there and she's kind of off in the distance and after the funeral, Danny sees her talking to this beautiful man. Detective Rogan. yes. Roger: my god, this detective lick him from head to fucking toe. Me my Troy Escamilla: Danny sees this and asks, like, why are you talking to that cop? And in her breathy voice, she's like Larry was Larry was my doctor. He was very important to me. And Danny's like, What? Why are you you why wouldn't you tell me this? Like when we like you you knew this was my why didn't you tell me this? So Rogan is there kind of investigating the circumstances. He even comes over to to to Danny and and you know, apologizes for her loss and kind of wants her to wants her to after she's grieved to let him know if she can think of anybody that might have been with her stepdad l you know in his final moments of life. And yeah, she's like, Well, I I don't know. I'll I'll I'll I'll think about it. So he's he's hot on the case because I think that You know, it's not going to be it's not going necessarily as maybe Abby wanted it to go, where people are automatically gonna think this is a a car accident. They are actually investigating this, but also Abby knows this and she's she's starting to also put another plan into place. I mean, everything that she does is very specifically for a reason, including the the the drug that she used to inject you know, the the stepfather with to kill him. That was very purposeful why she chose that specific drug. So this is all like a a coming into play and very, very, very, very, very calculating on Abby's part. Roger: For all the critiques and like negative notes I have regarding Abby's well Paz de La Huerta's performance as Abby. I you know, I can't deny the bitch knows how to strut away in a trench coat. I mean, my God. my god, that strut in that leather fucking trench coat? Give your mother my best. Like fuck off. Who the fuck are you to be telling me? You killed a guy. I mean, yeah, he was a shit guy, but still fuck off. Paz Paz de Huerta. Troy Escamilla: well, you know, Pause De Haloerta and Nisi Nash's days are about to get brighter. As we have a new HR manager, Strutton, speaking of Strutton, Strutting into this hospital, spreading some sunshine, because boy, does she does this hospital need it? This this optimistic chipper gal, Miss Rachel, Adams Owens, whatever they call her. I think they used the the wrong last name, but it's Rachel. And she is just Roger, chipper is a chipmunk, and niecy nash is not having any of it. She's like, if that bitch comes over to me, tells me to smile, I'm gonna punch her in her fucking face. She is giving ever she's given everybody those little smiley face stickers. She even gives one to to to Nisi Nash and Nasi's nice guy. No, I'm not a smiley face person. You gotta frown one. She's Roger: I love the interaction with the guy with the like the piss bag on his leg, Troy Escamilla: Ha ha. Roger: and she's like, Hello, how are we doing today? He's like, Well, we are pissing in a bag, and she says, Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Roger: how convenient. And then she places a smiley face sticker on his piss bag. I Troy Escamilla: Ha ha. Roger: like that. This poor gal, she doesn't know what she's getting into. She's just starting her first day on the fucking job. Pretty soon she encounters Paz de Huerta, who's gonna wreck her life in so many ways. This poor woman. Troy Escamilla: Yeah, 'cause she she re she meets strutting through the hospital. She meets runs into Abby and S like, Hey, can we meet for a little bit so we can go over the schedule so we can figure out, you know, we have enough coverage. And Abby's like, Yeah, yeah, sure. I'll come and talk to you after I'm done. And then this is when Rachel kind of stops and she's like, You know what? You you look like someone. You look like someone I know and and and Abby's like, Yeah, f who? She's like, it's someone I knew as a child named Sarah. Her name was Sarah. Where are you from? And Abby's like, Syracuse. She's Where are you from? some other s I don't know. But she's very adamant that you, my God, you could be her spittin' image. In the meantime, Danny overhears this. Like she hears the name Sarah. you can tell that Abby is not as as poor Rachel starts to walk away, Abby is not very happy that she made that connection. her whole demeanor changes. Rachel just kind of sealed her fate. Should have shut her mouth. Roger: When Abby, you know, plays it off, but she does it in the most suspicious fucking manner possible. Like she's so passive aggressive and like it just makes it very obvious that she's a fucking bitch. And I'm like, girl, you you should just be playing along with it and be sweet as sugar with this gal. It's very clear that Abby for as much as she's trying to cover her tracks, she also it seems she doesn't care if she gets caught. Like she really doesn't care, or maybe she's just crazy enough that she'd rather have vengeance or get her way over like keeping her name clear, you know? I think her instinct to like kill people and like commit crimes is stronger than her desire to re remain anonymous. But, you know, it just it seems like she really is just like not trying to hide the fact at all that she thinks that Rachel's a fucking bitch and that she is like not trustworthy. It's just her tone, her demeanor. And it's also really worth noting that while this is all happening, there's this moment with Danny and Regina, where Danny is on her computer and all of a sudden all those photos that Abby had s had taken the other night start to pop up. They it's it it happens twice in the film where she opens a folder and all the photos just open at the exact same time and she's having to close them out as Rachel is like wandering around and you know Introducing herself to everybody. So it adds this extra level of tension. But it's just very clear that Abby is completely off the rails. she's she's sending these photos to the workplace. Pretty soon she sends them to her boyfriend. there's she's doing a lot of things here that really are incriminating, you know. It just doesn't seem like she's all too concerned about remain remaining anonymous through all of this. Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Well, it's the end of the work day and and Rachel, you know, is wrapping up her first day and she's walking down the stairs. It's kinda dark in the hospital. She hears some commotion coming from one of the rooms. So goes over to this room to to look to see what's going on. And all of a sudden, just a pair of giant tits flap up against the fucking window. And there is a I guess a nurse getting railed by the doctor. Roger: Got so many questions about this moment. First of all, I am thrilled, Troy, that they kept your cameo in the film because I've never seen your breast look better. But those that poor woman up against that frosted glass and poor fucking Rachel. And the thing is, Rachel's the head of HR. Like, I mean, this should be a a a done deal. These people are getting fired. Like, and Rachel doesn't do anything about it. She just, you know, stumbles back startled and then runs into Abby, and Abby's like, Are you okay? she's like, yeah, that was surprising. Like, and that's it. Like it's never brought up again. I would bust in there and be like, you two fuckers, fucking on the job. You're fired. I am the head of HR, not in my hospital. I guess Rachel's just too meek and a people pleaser. But yeah, it just it's such a weird moment and it just comes out of fucking nowhere. Like I know people here are horny, but this really seems like it's there just for the sake of having another pair of jugs in the film. Troy Escamilla: Well, we need we need Who doesn't need more j we we don't need more Roger: Boy do we. Boy do we, Troy. Troy Escamilla: Well, you know, we we we're we love we love our jugs. Roger: Yes we do. Dark night of the podcast. Troy Escamilla: So Danny's at home. They're packing up. She's she gets a phone call from Abby. And Abby is very like just, hey, what are you doing? And Danny's like, is there something you you want? And and Abby says, Well, you should join me and and the new HR Rachel out for drinks tonight. And Danny's like, No, I can't. I'm busy. I'm I'm actually going over to Steve's. And she's like, And as she's on the phone, she's carrying out that giant bag of clothes, and Abby even makes a comment, is like, you sure you don't need help with that big bag? So I'm assuming like Abby's stalking her now? Like this is weird. Roger: Full on stocking. Like it's so weird this obsession that she has with her. And it just doesn't make sense with the rest of the character. But okay, I guess this is the story now. Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Well, she gets to Steve's house and immediately, you know, she hears a beep on his computer and she opens the computer and all of those fucking pictures are popping up. And she is trying her damnedest to delete them all when Steve, looking hot, shirtless, as he is half the movie, comes into the room and he sees and he's like, What are you looking at, porn? And she's No, I'm just trying to clear out my spam folder. and she proceeds to tell him that, you know, I can't believe what happened today. You did you know Abby? Told me that Larry was her doctor. Like, why would she hold that from me? Why would she not tell me that? we I thought we were close. He is kind of dismissive about it. And she's like, No, you don't understand. there's something going on with Abby. And he's like, Well, what what is going on with you two all of a sudden? I didn't even know you guys were this close for you to even be worrying about this. And then he gets a message saying he has to go to work. He gets called into work. And She's like, fine, just go. and he assures her, I want to know what's going on because, this is just weird that you two are seem to be so close all of a sudden. Right. So he goes to work. She's, you know, just laying peacefully in bed later, when all of a sudden she gets a call through a video call, video phone, video Skype sort of service. And she answers it, and it is it's Rachel. Rachel just sitting there said, Danny, how are you? And She happens to be at Abby's apartment. And Abby is behind her the whole time. You can totally tell that Rachel is on something, right? She's either drunk or she's high. She's not acting herself. Danny's watching, trying to figure out what's going on. Abby sees that Danny's on the screen. She pulls out a syringe and she starts to go towards Rachel. And Danny starts screaming at Rachel, Rachel, look behind you, look behind you. And before anything can happen, the The call cuts out, goes black. So Abby's really setting something up here that is pretty, you know, well, it's pretty dangerous, but it's also just like super, super, super manipulative, right? She's she kind of knows what she's doing. She knows what she has to do to get this whole ball rolling. And I think there's a reason why she's doing this. She wants, she wants strangely enough, she wants Danny to go to the cops. Right. This is the whole ploy. She knows Danny's gonna call the police. She does. Danny calls the police and is like, somebody's being murdered by Abby, blah, blah, blah. Here's her apartment. and even and and and and Abby even calls her back and is like taunting her, hinting her, hinting to her that Rachel is indeed dead. Roger: I mean, I think that Abby's baseline plan is well executed for the most part, but there are just so many holes in it. even if I feel like if if I'm Danny and I'm going to the cops, I would even be able to say, look here at my Skype, here's proof that I received two calls from this individual. They called me. They called me twice in a row. And I would think that would automatically factor into the storyline. But no, the detective is so quick to be like, What the fuck are you doing, Danny? I think that you're the sus suspect here. All signs point to you. And like, no, like it's not the case. Like, Abby is very persuasive. She's very manipulative, but really, like, she's sloppy. She's really sloppy. You know, even when she's killing guys, she's oftentimes not wearing gloves. it just to me, there's a lot of things going on here that just don't feel like it's a foolproof plan. And there's that moment, she calls back. She calls Danny back and she answers, and it's just It's just Paz de La Huerta's cleavage in the camera. with that doll. it's just so frickin' like gratuitous. It just so weird. And she's got Rachel passed out and she's playing with her like a rag doll. And I don't know. I just I feel like while she's making some interesting choices that do paint Danny to be a suspect, I just think there's so much proof stacked up against Abby that it really is kind of like. I I guess it doesn't matter. Like maybe her overall goal is just to torture her enough until it to get to the point that she can escape and create a new persona. And then after that, like, you know, by the time she's gotten away, they've just now figured it out. I'm guessing that must be her end game. She knows that like her time is running thin with this. So she's gonna cause as much damage and destruction as possible. But yeah, I mean I'm kinda shocked this detective, he's just he's kind of shitty at his job. He's so quick to turn against Danny. And even though Danny is The one calling the police and you know, has, in my opinion, a lot of evidence in her favor. Abby words it in a way that seems, I guess, so convincing, even though you don't see the dialogue. I'm I'm you I'm sure she sells her story to the detective that makes him believe that Abby is the one being harassed and that Danny is the one that is fixated with her. And then she gives him the photos, and there's this great awkward moment where he shows the photos. To her and Steven. So now Steven is clued in. So I think Danny is just so taken, taken aback by all of this incriminating evidence coming out at the same time, now painting her as a potential suspect, that it leaves her tongue tied. She's not really able to defend herself. So it is an interesting angle. I just feel that, you know, there's so many cracks in the overall plan. Like it may work in the moment, but like there's no way that Abby could keep this floating for very long. Troy Escamilla: Well let's yeah, let's point out that yeah, Danny does go to the police station to talk to the detective Rogan. But when she gets there, Abby is there talking to the detective. And so when he gets done talking to Abby, he comes over to Danny and Danny is trying to plead her case and saying, you know, Abby is Abby's crazy. She I think she killed Rachel. I think she killed my stepfather. And he immediately is like, Rachel's fine. She was drunk, she was sleeping on Abby's couch. She said, and he tells her that Abby says you're the one that's obsessed with her, that you broke into her apartment and all this stuff. And she's no, he gave me, she gave me the key. She drugged me. Yes, he shows those pictures. He has all the pictures. And Steve sees them. Steve gets upset. Rogan is t definitely anti Danny at this point. And he's like, you know, your dad, your stepdad had that, that drug, that whatever that. drug is that that we've been talking about. He had that in his system. And it looks like you were the last one to check check that drug out. You know, what do you think about that? so yeah, this whole thing gets it blows up because Steve gets angry. Steve storms off, says he doesn't even want to s want to see her that night. He's not coming home. And so now basically Abby has caused Danny to be not only isolated from Steve, but also the the cops don't believe Abby. This detective Rogan doesn't believe Danny either. So he Abby's plan to isolate poor Danny is is definitely coming into fruition. Roger: At one point it's even said by Abby that she's she has betrayed Danny as a mentor and Danny has officially betrayed her as a friend. And I think like that's really while it's a warped perspective and obviously Danny really didn't do anything, I think that Abby feels betrayal and like now vengeance. Like that is her angle, is now because Danny did not live up to her lofty, like extreme expectations of what a friend should be to her. That if you're not my friend, you're my enemy, I guess is the angle. And so now I'm gonna make your life a living hell. But yeah, I mean like she's really left Danny in a position where she's, you know, now basically like a suspect, you know, number one suspect. her her boyfriend has basically left her, you know, left her behind. He drives off on his fucking motorcycle and and you know, she's kind of running out of resources. So I will say like her move here is pretty smart. She ends up going to talk to Dr. Morris. Like right after that, she goes to Dr. Morris. And even though Dr. Morris is like sleazy and has not been the most trustworthy, she gets into his ear before Abby does. And there is that great moment where like Abby sees them talking and he walks over and shuts the door. So obviously He's hearing her angle on this and she's told him everything. So now Abby's like, God, now I gotta take care of this fucker too. Troy Escamilla: Well, and Abby and and I think Danny is smart too because she uses the name that she heard Sarah Price, the name that she heard Rachel repeatedly say that Abby reminds her of, and she she investigates the name and and finds out that there was a Sarah Price at this psychiatric hospital that that Rachel also mentioned. So she goes to the psychiatric hospital, and this is where we get this whole big backstory. Abby is really Sarah Price. And when Sarah was a child, she walked her dad was a doctor, she walked in on him and fucking his nurse. the mom comes in and the dad like slaps the mom and starts like being very aggressive to her. Like he's like, I I told you just don't don't come don't drop in here whenever you want. And it little Sarah, a little girl, like gets a scalpel and proceeds to slit her dad's throat right then and there. Roger: And nobody is pleased with it. Like to be clear, like all of the others in the room, which is the slut nurse that's getting railed, naked, and the mom are both like, What the fuck have you done? You know, like it it I don't know why her decision was to kill her father. Like obviously there's already something off with the girl, but it's even stated that the mom ended up killing herself like less than a year later over it. So it clearly has like rippling repercussions. and it seems like you know, Abby was kind of like the demise of her family, even though it was at the hands of her father's bad choices. her actions really kind of ruined everything for her. But this feels like such an exposition dump. Like we've seen this scene in so many films. Person goes a sleuthin, goes to a hospital, goes to whatever, you know, a ward, whatever it may be, and all the information they need is right there in one nurse. He, you know, he provides all the details. Gives the backstory, talks about the nurse doll she was walking around with. She's had a thing for nurses. And then you find out that there was one nurse in particular whom Abby or Sarah was was like kind of idolizing, Janet Abigail Russell. And we find out that they be they formed such a close relationship that when the nurse retired, she actually took Abby under her wing and adopted her. and so Abigail Russell, you know. Being her middle name, it it does leave kind of this open-ended aspect of the story. Like, you know, she went back with this woman. Did she kill her too? Because now we know that she, you know, she'll kill men and women. It really starts to blur at this point. You know, it doesn't seem like she has too much of a filter. If you piss her off, she'll kill you. And I'm curious, like, did she take that woman's person persona and kind of just create her own identity? Like, I don't know how she's pulling this off. you know, living an alternate life and faking being a nurse, that's fucking difficult. but, you know, they don't give you a lot of information, it's just kind of a very basic exposition dump, but it does kind of set up the the the groundwork as to how Abby got to where she is now. Troy Escamilla: there is that there is that moment earlier where we do see that Rachel is Googling Sarah Price, you know, to get more information and I'll and she's a hand comes up behind her and grabs her and pulls her off the chair. I'm assuming that was her her her death. Roger: Weird. Troy Escamilla: weird. Yeah, I I was kind of figuring out what happened because there's that before that happens, there's that moment where she looks at her drink. like it tastes funny or something. It's like, she drugged, but then somebody just I guess it's I it's Abby pulls her under the floor and that's just it. I don't know if she was dead. I don't know what happened. Roger: And she erases her search history because she was typing Sarah Sarah Price, starting to type that in as well. Definitely a wasted moment. I mean, especially for a character that was pretty important, definitely had a moment of impact within the film. it's cool, like it's violent. You see her get yanked back and the chair falls backwards, but you don't see what happens to her. And it just it does seem it almost feels like they didn't get enough footage and so they had to like stylistically edit it, you know? Troy Escamilla: Well, I there is the moment then when Abby goes in to talk to Dr. Morris about the whole situation. And you know, she's trying to plead her fact that yeah basically Danny's the crazy one. And he's like, Well, I don't know. I this she she told me some stuff about you and I think that it's pretty pretty you know it's pretty severe. And if I look into it, it could be really bad for you. So he basically tells her, you know, you know what you can do to like not make me kind of expose this is basically blackmails or to have sex with him. He's also married. so she yeah, Roger: Right up for Allen. Troy Escamilla: so she she gets him alone in a in a in an operating room and she's able to like knock him out. And when he wakes up, he is tied to that that table and she proceeds to I mean this is probably one of the, you know g gory kills in the film because she basically dissects them, you know, all the while just like threatening first to cut off his dick and then she has that other and it ultimately ends up with her like cutting his arm off, that really gnarly s sh shot of his arm like dangling there by the meat. I mean it is definitely the goriest kill in the film. Roger: It is. And it it has a fun build up. You know, he's screaming, but his mouth is gagged, and she's carving into him with a scalpel. She carves pig. Troy Escamilla: Mm-hmm. Roger: some of the best font I've ever seen when someone carves somebody in like in their chest, like normally it's like really like jagged and like they're like sawing into them. She makes it look like a like a cute little like fancy little font with little heart over the eye and everything. It's Very impressive, but she is a master with a scalpel. She's a nurse, so that I guess makes sense. And then she's talking about, you know, w debating between gouging his eyes out and cutting out his heart. And then does she cut off his teeny weeny? She's like taunting him, and it is really fun. Like the lead up to eventually her opting to use the surgical saw to cut his arm off. I kind of wish they would have shown all of it, but what they do show is pretty gnarly. But there is this intense, very obvious CGI blood splatter that's like combined with the actual effects. Like you're seeing practical effects, but I think again, for the sake of the 3D, they add this really exaggerated digital blood, and it's so unnecessary. the effect looks great. we don't need to have this really over the top blood splurt that, when you pause the film, when you freeze the frame. It's so obvious that it's just digital blood. It was not necessary for this moment. And this is another scene where I feel like the three D angle hurts the film more than it benefits it. Troy Escamilla: Mm-hmm. So Dr. Morris is dead. The most probably the yeah, the gorious death of the film. and yeah, so Danny has figured out, you know, and at this point she's figured out who Abby really is. She's really Sarah Price. So she tries to call Rachel, can't get a hold of her. Obviously, Rachel's we're assuming is dead. So then she actually calls Abby. Danny calls Abby. And Abby answers the phone in the middle, Roger, of fucking Detective Rogan. that he's so fucking hot. Roger: I get it, girl. Like get it. And she sure Troy Escamilla: Yes. Roger: does. He's he is going to town. Go into fucking town when she answers that call. Troy Escamilla: Well, she loses interest w because Danny's on the phone, so he gets up to take a sh a cold shower, And Danny is like, What's going on? What are you why are you doing this? And Abby makes the comment, Well, you know what, maybe maybe you should get to s maybe you should ask Steve because I'm gonna get to him before you do, or or something along the lines of a Steve. So she like rushes to the fucking hospital. gets gets to the hospital and it All hell breaks loose at this point. Roger: This is another moment where I think it's a example of why Abby would really not care about being caught. I think like really her main goal here is to just again ruin as many lives as possible, specifically, and most importantly, Danny's above all else. when Danny calls on the phone and she's getting railed by the detective, like that right there, I mean, for Abby is a gift to be able to say, look, she's harassing me. She's calling me again. She's calling me again. All she would have needed to have done was just faked through the conversation and be like, leave me alone and shown the detective, look. Like, she even after all this, she's still trying to connect with me. But instead, she prioritizes going to the hospital and targeting Steven and trying to kill Steven. And it's just it's it's clear that her murderous instincts take precedence over her own like well being at this point. If if Abby wanted to paint this whole thing so that Danny was the the villain all along, I really think she has a few th a few choices she could have made that really could have made that possible. And she's just not interested in it. Really like she's just, I guess, looking for vengeance against someone she thought was her friend and and her mind did her wrong. And so yeah, you've got this great moment coming up where they go back to the hospital. It doesn't really make sense to me, but I fucking love this finale. I mean, the finale is insane. It's bonkers. Troy Escamilla: It is wow, I mean it is a full out brawl in this hospital because when when Danny gets to the hospital she she confronts Abby and Abby is like says being very aggressive and literally like, get off of me bitch, and starts like pushing her and they get into a fight and even even Niecy Nash's character tries to tries to break it up and Abby ends up punching her in the fucking face, knocking her to the ground. Roger: The last we see of her. She doesn't die, at least, but it's not like you get a final moment with Regina. Like she is out cold. And now starts like this grand pursuit where it's now just Abby running through the hospital and Danny chasing after her. And it's truly wild. I love, I love this first scenario that they f stumble into because Danny tackles her and they fall into like. A lab where there's this this nerd, you know, working. He's a scientist. He's like, I guess I don't know, working with blood samples, whatever the fuck he's doing. He's got headphones on. And in the background, you've got this fucking calf fight that just starts to unfold. And these women are throwing each other into glass shelves. There's so much glass in this hospital, and it's all breaking. It's all breaking. And finally the guy sees it and he's like, shit. And he like runs off. But it gets really fun here. And I really appreciate the physicality. for as stupid as this film, they did not hold back with this ending. And these girls really get fucking roughed up. they are going at it. Troy Escamilla: Well and then Danny d runs into Steve and she gets Steve and Abby has that moment where she causes the that air tank thing to explode and that piece fly and almost hit hits both of them and kills them. But then we get to we get a moment where Abby just fucking flips and she starts killing. Like killing anybody. Anybody that gets in her way. I mean, we get that cop the pe person, that cop that gets the scissors through his throat that she opens up. Very bad digital effect. You could tell it was just done for three D. I mean, there's there's other doctors being killed. There's I mean it just goes full she is she is killing everybody. Roger: What about the one security guard who runs into her and he's like, What's happening? And again, here's another moment where Abby could have been like, god Well she even says it, she says, Danny's trying to kill me and like really she could have had that security guard like I guess like take his gun out and fucking shoot Danny right there and all our problems would have been solved, you know, 'cause up to that point not too many people had seen what she had done. But instead, she grabs those fucking defibulators and fucking kills that cop in the most elaborate fashion possible. Like I have never seen a defibulator do that. And like we've seen a lot of defibulator deaths in our time. People have done it in multiple films. Not like this. These things cause like fireworks. This guy flies through the air. There's a big explosion. Like I can't believe that she pulled this off, but she kills that cop. And then yeah, you get all that awful digital slashing and gashing and that guy getting those scissors through his neck is one of the worst effects I've ever seen. But then there's that other moment where she slashes at Danny, like hits her in the back, and you see this big digital cut form across her back of her jacket, and it's so bad. And I'm like, God, like, you know, for some of these moments where some of the effects are not truly horrible, why is it acceptable for some of these other effects to look absolutely terrible? I have never seen. Fake wounds, digital wounds look as bad as this film. Like for what was this, 2009? Is that? my god, 2013? Troy Escamilla: Two thousand thirteen. Yeah. Roger: Fuck me. No excuse, Troy. No excuse. Some of these digital effects are horrible. Troy Escamilla: I I I really think they were just trying to just cram as many deaths into this final five minutes as possible. I mean you get Roger, you we we're not even touching the on on it. Yes, there's the defilbillator, the scissors through the throat. There's a there's all kind but there's the moment when d Danny and Steve get inside that that room, that critical care room, and there's all these patients like inside of it, right? And Abby gets in there and she literally Actually, Abby gets in first. She locks herself in this critical care room with all these poor helpless motherfuckers just laying in the bed, dying of cancer, dying of whatever the fuck they're done. And Abby just starts slaughtering them in their beds, cutting their throats, stabbing the shit out of them, knocking them out of bed. I this is horrible. These poor people, they're in there for for treatment, and she's just brutally, brutally fucking murdering them. Like there's that I mean, old man and a lady just slaughtering. Everyone in this critical care care unit. Roger: Well and again, if we're gonna talk about a character where the creative forces behind the character, I really don't think they knew what they wanted her to be exactly, right? At this point they're leaning into the shock factor, but if they really cared about the character and her nuances and and like her story leading up to this, if there's one thing Abby cares about, it's being a nurse. If there's one thing that's important to her, it's her job. So for her at this point to snap to the point that now she's just killing everybody, including her patients, I think makes no sense at all. I fucking love the scene. Like I love this final moment here where she's going through slaughtering all these poor fucking people, pulling tubes out, throwing them on the ground. That poor nurse, he's like, stop it, what are you doing? She kills him. Like, I mean, it just it just it's really entertaining. It's so fun to watch, but it doesn't do the character any justice. Cause at this point She's just become a serial killer and nothing more. And all of the like the clockwork, all of the pieces that made her tick, and all of the big monologues that she gave us at the start of the film, they all feel kind of like wasted. Like it it's n not important anymore. Now it's about the spectacle. And I enjoy the spectacle, but I would have rather had a character that at least felt like There was some thought put into like the who, what and why of what she does, you know? And so I really enjoy this moment, but I I do feel like it kind of goes completely against the grain of everything she's established thus far. There's this absurd moment where like she leaves. She's like she gives them a glare after killing all these poor fucking critical victims, and she pulls a curtain shut and it looks she runs away. And then they bash through the glass and they get in there. No one's doing anything, by the way, at this point. there's just people running around, there's chaos, but no one's actually helping these two. They get in there, and of course, with both of them working in the medical profession, him being a paramedic and her being a nurse, they start to help these people, and they're all just dying. And then there's this one gal in a bra laying on a gurney, and it's very obvious, I think, who this is, but she's so bloodied, I guess you're not able to tell. I don't know how she got stripped down this fast because she just ran away. But it's fucking Paz de Huerta who Who has been in the room the whole time laying on a gurney. And so when Steven runs over to assist her, she stabs him in the neck with those scissors. And then runs off into the night like a wild woman. And it's out of nowhere. And it makes no sense because you just saw her leave. I mean, like, okay, sure. The rest of the movie makes no sense either. I'll just go with it. But again, it's I think it's more for the shock factor, it's more for the spectacle than it is the story. And My greatest proof in stating that is this is the last moment that we get with Steve and with Danny. And it's her over top him after he's been stabbed in the jugular and will probably die, but we don't know because the story now continues to follow Abby. And it doesn't give us an extra moment or an extra beat with Danny and Steven, but you know, specifically Danny, to give us a proper sense of closure. Like they're in the middle of this chaos, all these people are dying. She's sitting, she's laying on the ground holding her boyfriend who's been stabbed in the throat. And from there, the story completely maintains its focus on Abby for the rest of the film. And that feels like such a poor choice and an inconsiderate choice at that, because it really makes it clear that they're not prioritizing the characters. They're not prioritizing the heroes. They're not giving us the viewers a sense of conclusion. you know, a a sense of closure with the film and that just feels like kind of upsetting. Like I like the ending for what it is. It's fun. It doesn't make a lick of sense and it it's not plausible at all. But it just it's very, very inconsiderate of both the heroes and the people that are viewing the film. It it's just Troy Escamilla: What well I Roger: for the shock factor and nothing more. Troy Escamilla: Yeah, I'm so upset that we don't know if Steve lived or died. I don't want him to die. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, but we don't find out. I mean she stabs him in the neck with scissors. I'm assuming that's a pretty you know, life-threatening injury. He's bleeding out. He's still alive when when we see him last, you know. Danny's there comforting him and as as Paz de La Huerta runs out and gets out of the hospital and she gets back to her to her apartment. you know, gets back to her apartment. She's able to change. She's leaving. She's gonna leave when all of a sudden Detective Rogan comes up and's like Sarah, Sarah Price, I know that's your real name. And he's like, I'm he has he's like, I'm gonna basically there to arrest her. He's figured it all out. Right. And Abby like knows that she has that fucking neighbor, that Jared, who's you know So fucking paranoid that Abby starts to scream and starts to really loud be like, please don't hurt me. Please just take my money. Just take my money. Just leave me alone. All of a sudden, Jared comes up behind poor Officer Rogan with that baseball bat and just bashes him in the fucking head with it, killing him. And Abby, you know, is like, you had to do what you had to do. You were you were protecting me. And Jared bends down and like looks and realizes he's wearing a badge. He's like, my God, that was a cop. And Abby's like, you know, yeah, it was a cop. You did something bad, but you were protecting me. You gotta you gotta hide the body now. You gotta get rid of the body. So yeah, and he starts like Roger: He's like, I can take care of this. Okay, potato looking man. Troy Escamilla: Well he starts pulling the body away. Roger: There's a really interesting beat right before this scene that I I do want to acknowledge because I I mean it's completely unnecessary, but as all that chaos is happening in the hospital, there's that whole moment where there's a doctor performing surgery and Abby runs to another floor of the hospital. I guess where they've not become aware that there's been a mass murder, and she's like, help me. And she's like covered in blood, and they're like, shit, she's in nothing but a bra and tights. And they put her on a gurney. And they start like wheel her away. And the doctor like turns around for a moment and they turns back and she's gone, but her bloody footprints are like leading away. So it doesn't even fucking matter because they can just follow her. But it's like this an extra unnecessary little extra bit of her just in a bra and and tights and nothing more covered in blood. And I think it's definitely meant to like, you know, maintain the sexualization of it all. but it just seems like she's so fucking sloppy, and now she's fucking. gotten a guy to kill a cop? Like it's just it it There's no way she's gonna get away with the scale of violence and death and manipulation and lies and all of these things that she's done, like there's no way she's gonna get away with it, let alone finding a way to fake and like a complete alter alias based on a person who she killed. It's fun in concept, but this final beat of the film Troy, it it doesn't make a lick of sense. There's no way in hell that she could have gotten away with this and gotten as far as she does with this. Though the way that this film wraps up, I don't know. It just I feel like the the people that wrote this had to be fucking stupid. Like I just don't understand like how how they thought this was like a a stu like a conclusion that makes any Troy Escamilla: Well this would yeah, this would be a there'd be a there would be a ma Roger: sense. Troy Escamilla: there would be a major manhunt for this lady. She just slaughtered an entire hospital wing. You know, they know it's her. They know it's her that did it. You know, people multiple people saw. yeah, but she that we get this like tacked on scene that I could have totally done without where yeah, she she's now we see some somebody approaching another hospital, all chipper. She's now using It's Abby. She's now basically using Rachel's identity. Complete with that chipper voice and the the fucking smiley faces. You know, she she's like, to the receptionist. She's I'm I'm the new HR person, and you are just so, so nice. You know what? I want you to have a great day. Okay. And she sticks the smiley face in, and that's how it ends. Roger: I think that the whole 3D concept was built around that final shot of her finger with the sticker coming towards coming at the crowd. You know what I mean? I think they're like, I really want to do that. Let's build a story around it. We just have to make sure we get to that being the final scene because it's such a stretch getting there. they land the plane, but barely, and several people have died within the plane. Like that's how sloppy this ending is. And it just it just makes no sense. I don't think the film cares about making sense though. Like it's called Nurse 3D, and it's about A woman who's addicted to sex and is also a nurse and loves to fucking kill people. And like, so I guess like shame on me for expecting anything more out of it than what it is. But boy, Troy, after like sitting and watching this film five times, I because of the amount of time it took for us to record this episode, I have rented this film now four times. And it's coming out on fucking Tubi on September 1st. So we could have just waited. But I have rented it four times, thus officially doubling its profit. Because I have paid four dollars and ninety-nine cents per rent per rental. And do I want to give that much money to this film? No. Do I find it entertaining? Am I happy that I watch it? Yes. Will I watch it again? Absolutely. Do I expect a lot from it? No. Should I? Absolutely not. It's called Nurse Fucking 3D. But Troy Escamilla: It's Roger: I get why it's hated. It's really not as hated as we made it sound though. Like yet's got a sixty something percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Troy Escamilla: I mean, I can see it because it is that's it. There's a lot of bad things about it. You know, a a script that Roger: Yes. Troy Escamilla: is a mess. Totally it's all over the place. The lead performance just w wonky. But there is an entertainment factor to it that you cannot deny. Like you are you Roger: You cannot know. Troy Escamilla: are gonna have fun with this. This is a film that would be a blast to put on. You know, you're having a party or something with a bunch of your friends, you just put this on and have it playing while you're drinking, whatever you're doing. This is it's it's it's an entertaining movie. Like it's completely entertaining. It's nonsense, but it's entertaining nonsense. So I can s I don't hate this movie. Like I didn't go into I didn't I don't hate this movie at all. I think that's it's really a fucking entertaining. There's things about it that are fucking stupid. I I d I don't understand Paz de La Huerta, what sh what she's trying to do. she looks great doing it, but it's it's just a very odd performance. But I don't hate this movie and I would Yeah, like you, I would watch this again. Like somebody has this on. Hell yeah, I'm gonna sit down and watch it. The ending, seeing all those poor cancer patients being slaughtered and thrown onto the floor. I mean, what more do you ask for? I don't know. V you Roger: Give me more of that. Troy Escamilla: got vag, shaved vag at that. I mean, they don't shy away from that. Roger: Big old titties, milk jugging. I mean, like, yeah, I mean if you're a straight man, you're gonna definitely get what you want out of this film, including the way it how how it treats its women. and it's all wrapped up in a a feminine package and Paz de La Huerta, so I guess it's more palatable, even though absolutely not. Like it's actually kind of awful. But yeah, the entertainment factor cannot be denied. I feel like this film has the potential in time to almost be like a Rocky horror like experience. Like Imagine this playing at like an independent theater on the big screen. People coming up dressed like nurses, slutty nurses, people fucking throwing goddamn I don't know. What could they throw at the the fucking screen? What are some of the weird things that she does in this? There's so many weird little moments, you know, Troy Escamilla: Pannies. Roger: that I mean Eyeliner because she doesn't wear any but red lipstick. Like there's so many, there's so many little weird little quirks that she has that I think people could run with and create like a really fun experience and an interactive experience of that because it's so nonsensical. And so like all the critiques I have for it, I can't really I can't use my criticisms to slam it because I think this film was fully aware of what it was doing. It put the entertainment At the forefront, and it said like everything else is kind of secondary. The characters, yeah, they're gonna be thin and the things are gonna happen that aren't gonna make sense because we don't really fucking care. We're trying to make a movie about a slutty nurse killing people. Like these things are not important. So, in that sense, like, did it succeed at what it was trying to do? Yeah, yeah. It is a an exploitation camp masterpiece in its own right because it's immensely entertaining, and that's really like. what you're looking to take away from it. So yeah, I've got a lot of critiques for this film, but I don't think this film really cares. You know, it it knew what it wanted to be. But I really want to see Troy, I will say like I am confident a lot of footage hit the cutting room floor. And I am sure that the final result of this film was not like I said this at the beginning, was not the original vision of what they had in mind. I think like what they got was probably something very different, probably due to like issues on set. You can tell there were some issues with the lead actress and the creative team. but I'd really like to see like what didn't come to fruition, what scenes didn't get shot. I'm sure there's a lot of things that didn't make the final cut. This is definitely a film that I would love to see like a a very expanded collector's edition come out at some point with a lot of extra material. I just don't know if we'll see it because of all the legal issues that that came up with Paz de La Huerta. But I'm interested to know about like the making of process here because I'm sure it was very interesting. Troy Escamilla: yeah, yeah, absolutely. Again, lot yeah, lots lots of fun. don't hate it. It's nonsense, but it's fun nonsense. So whew, that is that's nurse three D Roger: At a tight two hours, you know, for Troy Escamilla: Yeah. Roger: us, this is the standard. Any shorter, I feel like we're skimping any longer, and I'm getting tired. So a Troy Escamilla: Ha ha ha. Roger: nice two hour long episode, Troy. Well overall it sounds like you had a good time with this film. I'm happy to hear it. So did I. But I really want to know it's been a minute since we've done shit. And I can't even begin to imagine what you have in store for our listeners next week or next month, depending on how things go. Troy Escamilla: Yeah, you know, I kinda I I I I wanna do, you know, we this was a little bit more of a f of a fun watch, right? there's a lot of things that w that are on my list here. We're we're as we kind of trudge towards our two hundredth episode. So looking at my list, I think I'm gonna take us back to the eighties and I feel like this is a film that we definitely need to cover. We should have covered it by now, hon honestly, Roger. It's it's a s it's a slasher flick from nineteen eighty six. I know there's a lot of love for it. I don't know if you've ever seen it, but it is nineteen eighty six's Killer Party. Roger: I've never seen Killer Party now. Troy Escamilla: they're okay. We gotta do Killer Party. I know, I Roger: Okay. Troy Escamilla: know the gays love this movie. It has it has a very strong gay feeling. There's a character in the film that the gays really gravitate towards, and the ending kind of goes really off the wall. Starts out as a slasher flick and it kind of goes off the wall. It's one it's been one I've wanted to cover forever. so I think it's about time we do it so that we can say it's been covered. Killer Party. Let's do it. Roger: Okay, let's fucking do it. You know I trust you with my life. Troy Escamilla: Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Roger: Gay shall be appeased. Troy Escamilla: Absolutely. Well, yeah. So Killer Party 1986. Long time coming, guys. Let us know your thoughts. I know it's been months. Hopefully it won't be another couple months. Hopefully it can get back on track here as we pound towards our 200th episode. Let us know your thoughts on nurse 3D. Share the episode. Share our podcast. Check out the Patreon. We have all Houston Horror Film Festival stuff posted on there. And yeah, with that, we really hope it's not two more months. Sh it should not be. It will not be. Roger: It won't be. We're on it. We're back in the game. Briefly. Brief but Troy Escamilla: We're on it. Briefly. Roger: we're back in the game. Listeners, as always, thank you for taking the time to listen to us, bitch. Have a good night, Troy. Troy Escamilla: Yes. Have a good night. Good night. Roger: Good night.