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Exploring Family Dynamics and Generational Trauma with Jenny Briard · The Spiritual Parent: Mindful Tools for Raising Spiritual and Conscious Kids

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  Carrie: energetically.
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  Carrie: It felt like a change for us and it shifted for us.
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  Jenny: You still remain the kid of your parents, and that's where a lot of things are not right, because you have the perfect situation and then we have the best we can do.
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  Jenny: So you can look at the idealization.
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  Jenny: So, yes, this is not right, but we know we're not on a perfect earth and we can't reach perfection, at least so far, in the society we have.
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  Jenny: So we're trying to do the best that we can.
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  Jenny: But in a perfect situation, the parents give you birth and they are supposed to let you go at some point.
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  Jenny: They're not your parents anymore.
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  Jenny: You are supposed to step in your adulthood to be able to do that with your children, and we look at it the way that the children don't belong to the parents.
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  Jenny: They are their own person.
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  Jenny: But we I'm still going to talk about energetics when we look at that, if the parents haven't done that, there's still so many connections that are mixed up, and this is why we end up with the trauma of people from 100 years ago, because those connections are just all mixed up.
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  Jenny: We are not just our own individual, we are just entangled with each other and mixed up in term of energy, and it just prevents you to grow into your own person hi conscious parents.
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  Carrie: It's carrie here and I am here with a little info about raising our mindful kids.
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  Carrie: I've got some tips and tricks about breaking free of the box and becoming who you are and teaching your kids how to do that along the way, join us Hi there and welcome back.
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  Carrie: I have a treat for you guys listening in today I have a really amazing compassionate healer, jenny Breard, who has dedicated her time to helping individuals reconnect with themselves by releasing trauma.
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  Carrie: She specializes in addressing dysfunctional family dynamics, childhood and generational trauma, stored emotions, repeated patterns and related health issues.
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  Carrie: Jenny, I'm so excited to have you here today.
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  Carrie: I myself have done work in these areas to work on some of my generational trauma, some of my own trauma through my life and my experiences.
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  Carrie: Thank you so much for being here.
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  Carrie: Thank you for inviting me.
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  Carrie: It's really nice.
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  Carrie: We were just chatting a moment ago.
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  Carrie: I love learning about pieces that I can do, but I understand we were just talking about how challenging it can be to work on our own pieces.
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  Carrie: Sometimes we need a helping hand from a person like you.
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  Carrie: Do you have any ideas or thoughts on how we can look at our own identifying situations in our families, in our genetics in our histories, our family trauma history.
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  Carrie: What are your thoughts on this?
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  Jenny: Like I was saying, it's very hard to do it on your own, often because you are so stuck in it, or like you're in the whole environment, that it's very hard to take a step back and look into it.
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  Jenny: There's also a way that we call genogram, which is a family tree.
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  Jenny: It's pretty much like working on your family tree so finding your parents, grandparents, uncles, everybody on both sides, where you are registering on it every single event.
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  Jenny: So you register the birth, date, of death if they are deceased, you register all what is miscarriages, stillbirth, abortions, every single thing, accidents, how people died, and there is like little symbols you can learn because it's it can be quite heavy where you kind of like pinpoint out at the end all the all what is similar and find out if you have repetitive trauma, repetitive job, if the dates are entangled, because you can have similar dates to somebody, so you can have a connection with this person and you can do it as far as you can, as you can try to go, and then you can use colors as rectangle rounds it's like little round for baby who have been lost, and you can figure out all that.
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  Jenny: You can even put the pets, if the pet has been important.
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  Jenny: You can even do that.
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  Carrie: I would have that in mind.
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  Carrie: Yeah, my pets are very important growing up in my childhood.
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  Carrie: That's actually really interesting because I did not ever get to say goodbye to my pets.
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  Carrie: My mom had to give them away when I was at college because she was allergic to them and I never got to say goodbye.
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  Jenny: So that can be that in my work would be considered like a traumatic experience, even if you're a child or, like you, if you when, if you're very much attached to your pets, because for many people pets are very important and they can sometimes replace someone.
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  Jenny: Let's say, you're missing a parent.
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  Jenny: You have a pet who can take the place of another parent or child or it's really it's really important.
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  Carrie: So, yes, you can put them in a family tree it's true, because it did, it was they used to call it.
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  Carrie: My parents used to call it like my sibling because I was an only child.
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  Jenny: So interesting thought and not being able to say goodbye, yeah and then it can also be that you can relate it as well if your mother had lost a child or had a miscarriage, or sometimes you can even.
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  Jenny: I don't know if you ever heard about the vanish, vanishing twin.
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  Jenny: Oh, did you ever?
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  Carrie: heard about that.
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  Carrie: I have, yeah, a little bit.
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  Carrie: I don't have a huge background in it, but I've heard it mentioned.
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  Jenny: It's really interesting pretty much when you, when you're born for for the people who don't know when you are born, sometimes you are two, not even born, conceived.
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  Jenny: When you are conceived, you can be two, two so twins, and one is leaving, but the mother doesn't realize it because it's very early, so it can be interpreted as just a spot or even go unnoticed.
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  Jenny: But the other baby was staying, has very much noticed it and in some situation they found some pieces of teeth or hair in the body of the person that remains, that grew up.
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  Jenny: Yeah, so that's who we call the vanishing twin, and pets can subconsciously replace that from somebody who lost one as well, oh, that makes sense.
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  Carrie: That's really interesting.
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  Carrie: With the energy piece, I can understand that.
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  Carrie: Yeah, so I wanted to go back to the genogram.
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  Carrie: So when we're filling that out, that sounds like that could be hard sometimes to work through and bring up a lot of emotions as we're filling it out even.
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  Carrie: But yeah, does it so as we go through.
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  Carrie: You had mentioned earlier I don't remember if you mentioned it again something about careers when we're filling it in and finding patterns.
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  Carrie: Is that?
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  Carrie: Yeah?
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  Jenny: sometimes you can find repetitive job and you can realize that you're following a path and you never found like you were good in your job or you enjoy your job and then you realize that subconsciously you followed the path of certain people in your family can happen as well.
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  Jenny: This is where you put all the careers and it can be similar.
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  Jenny: You can find out so much with the dates, the jobs and you can put pretty much anything you know about the people where they lived.
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  Jenny: Sometimes you can realize that the immigration as well has been quite important.
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  Jenny: You can see two different nationalities and you can realize patterns depending on culture so, yeah, okay, that's really interesting.
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  Carrie: And then there was another piece that you had mentioned.
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  Carrie: I can't remember right now, but it had to do.
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  Carrie: It had to do with with the trauma that we had seen.
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  Jenny: I mentioned my cousin with the dates, if that's what you oh, yes, that piece.
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  Carrie: Yes, I'm trying to remember what it was you can find out some correlation.
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  Jenny: and I was explaining that my grandmother is born, the was born the 13th of May and my cousin is born the 13th of May and her own daughter is born the same day that my grandmother died.
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  Jenny: So here you can see a lot of correlation.
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  Jenny: And when we look at children, my mother has lost quite a few children.
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  Jenny: She had two or three stillborn or even one day old.
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  Jenny: She had a child that was heavily disabled.
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  Jenny: And when we follow the line, my cousin had a few abortions.
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  Jenny: She had few miscarriages.
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  Jenny: So they've been quite.
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  Jenny: You can find here a correlation.
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  Jenny: We might never know, but to me when there is too much similarities, I'm thinking like there's something there, definitely, especially that here the dates are entangled.
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  Jenny: They have similar dates, even the same.
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  Jenny: So it can be that we say that their destiny are pretty much mixed up.
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  Jenny: Okay, and when you do energetic work, the goal is to get them separated so they don't follow, continue to follow the path.
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  Jenny: So in that sense I would advise someone to work for their children, because here the daughter might follow the path of the mother.
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  Jenny: So that's how we work it out with the patterns on the genogram.
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  Carrie: Okay, now when you're when you're looking at bringing together two families.
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  Carrie: So when I was growing up, we my my mom would have dates on her family that would overlap with dates on my father's family, and it was interesting.
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  Carrie: And like my husband and I have dates that overlap, so like I had the same birthday as my husband's grandfather, who he was very close to, but I never got to meet him.
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  Carrie: So what about when you're mixing families together?
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  Carrie: What does that look like?
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  Jenny: You can also look at the mix up between the two families.
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  Jenny: It's not because it's two different lines.
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  Jenny: We're not marrying people randomly.
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  Jenny: That's my take.
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  Jenny: It's not random, so there could be that there is things that get entangled as well.
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  Jenny: That will need to be worked on.
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  Carrie: So, yeah, Okay, that's really interesting.
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  Carrie: All right, I'm going to have to play with that some more, because we have a lot of family members that overlap from other opposite sides of the family, so that's really cute.
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  Carrie: I'm curious now I was going to ask you, so I would love to see if you had any take when we're talking about the energy of families and looking at the children that are born nowadays in in our current earth environment.
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  Carrie: I have two kids that are very sensitive to their world.
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  Carrie: They're they were born with this passion and this drive to find their passion and to make this connection with others.
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  Carrie: They're just connected to the earth, connected to their passions, and my son wanted my daughter to just start walking right away.
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  Carrie: Let's just go, it's time to go and she was brought home from the hospital.
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  Carrie: Have you found anything with these energetic pieces?
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  Jenny: Not really.
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  Jenny: It's very, it's very personal.
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  Jenny: Everything is very personal because people have the family is so different from one aspect right, you in the us, me in the uk, but I'm french there's so many things depending on the story of the land as well where you live.
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  Jenny: There's so many things that are so different that it's you can't find pattern all over the world.
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  Jenny: But I like also to think that I'm working with individuals, so I will need to work with the entire family to see what's happening, to understand the children.
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  Jenny: I cannot really say that's because that happened in the other side of the world, that your children are like this.
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  Jenny: But in terms of hypersensitivity, like being very sensitive, yeah, um, I'm not sure.
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  Jenny: There's so many theories about that.
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  Jenny: But then you can go into the alien thingy, like the alien stories and things, which is like very another thing to look into.
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  Jenny: But I tend to think that that children are overloaded.
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  Jenny: We haven't cleared out transgenerational trauma in thousands and thousands of years and now we're reaching a point where we are asking the children to save the planet, to be better, to learn everything, to learn how to garden, to learn how to breathe, to do yoga, to be calm, to be emotionally regulated, regulated.
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  Jenny: There's so much demand on those children while the parents haven't done the work on the trauma or haven't figured out that they've been carrying trauma from thousands of years ago.
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  Jenny: Yeah, and they reach a point where the kids are just like they're overloaded of demands and emotion that is not theirs and that would be my take on the kids today.
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  Carrie: Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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  Carrie: I do feel like a lot of our kids.
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  Carrie: We're seeing so much anxiety in kids in the US and also just the over-programming.
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  Carrie: I'm getting packets in the mail saying have you prepared your nine-year-old for college?
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  Carrie: This is what you need to start doing.
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  Carrie: And my husband are like oh no and I hope other families throw that away.
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  Carrie: No, enjoy your life, be outside have fun, live.
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  Jenny: This is very much what I do with my daughter.
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  Jenny: Like she's two and I'm being asked regularly is she going to nursery?
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  Jenny: And I'm like, no, she's at home with me.
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  Jenny: Sometimes I'm like, oh, my god, take her away, it's not gonna end up.
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  Jenny: Well, yeah, most of the time is I won't have her with me.
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  Jenny: I want to have her to play and not having requests already it's I feel like every adult has the request that the children are going to be the savior.
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  Jenny: But we are here.
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  Jenny: We are here to do the work.
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  Jenny: This is our job.
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  Jenny: Parents, grandparents, it's not because you're like, oh, that you can't do the work.
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  Carrie: This is now yeah, that's a lot of heaviness like here.
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  Carrie: Take this broken pieces of our culture.
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  Carrie: We're gonna put this on you.
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  Jenny: It's your turn, you take it fix it, and if you don't, you're crazy.
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  Jenny: You're not adapted to society.
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  Carrie: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, is there, do you?
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  Carrie: As far as we all talk about trauma, I feel like trauma is a big buzzword nowadays.
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  Carrie: I think you're in the right field right now, jenny, because trauma is such a buzzword.
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  Carrie: Is there anything that we can do to try to not create more of it in our children?
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  Jenny: for me, trauma it's not new when I started it to work in it or even to.
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  Jenny: For me, trauma it's not new when I started it to work in it or even to heal.
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  Jenny: For me, there was no mention of it.
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  Jenny: But yeah, lately it looks like everybody's talking about trauma and how with the vagus nerve and a lot of things, and I tend to see that it's a lot of theory and the theory is nice but you need to practice.
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  Jenny: It needs to be integrated in the body.
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  Jenny: You can understand your trauma.
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  Jenny: You can understand you have a dysfunctional family.
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  Jenny: You can understand that your parents were not here, or you can.
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  Jenny: A lot of people are clever to understand, but when it stays still in the body, it's still acting.
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  Jenny: Yeah, this is why I cannot recommend people to work on their alone, at least at the beginning.
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  Jenny: Yeah, when you are starting your journey into healing trauma, doing it alone at the beginning, this is going to be really hard because you're going to have to deal with your own emotions and everything alone.
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  Jenny: And the hardest one of the hardest part usually is to find a therapist that can work with you, because there's some good and there's some bad, and there's some that very expensive and there's some that you can't afford.
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  Jenny: Money is a big issue because a lot of therapists are expensive.
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  Jenny: Yeah, so that's also a big problem where people cannot afford to have therapists and work and have support.
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  Jenny: So that's also a problem in term.
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  Jenny: So at the beginning, if you decide to do a healing journey, I would not recommend it to do on your own because, it's going to be way too heavy later on when you start to be okay.
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  Jenny: Yeah, yeah, you can figure it out with meditating.
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  Jenny: You can figure it out with some people are doing it with yoga as well.
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  Jenny: Uh, there is a few things that you could probably can do that will help you out to maintain your nervous system.
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  Jenny: Yeah, yeah, in terms of me, my recommendation I don't have a lot, because when I started my journey, I couldn't do it.
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  Jenny: I couldn't do it alone.
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  Jenny: This was like I tried.
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  Jenny: It was just like no, this is not possible and this is why recommendation at home, you're just going to be overloaded with emotions and if it's like a strong trauma, you might lose the plots and you get overwhelmed.
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  Jenny: And if you have children around you, they're going to trigger you and they're going to push you and that is very hard to handle it on your own.
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  Carrie: Yep, yep, for sure.
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  Jenny: I'm sorry people, I cannot give you the same basic advices?
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  Carrie: Yep, yep, for sure.
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  Carrie: I'm sorry people.
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  Carrie: I think it's.
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  Carrie: I think it's valuable to hear some of these feelings that are being felt in our families or in our children or in ourselves.
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  Carrie: They're real and they affect all of us and it's so common.
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  Carrie: You're not alone.
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  Carrie: It happens to so many families, even well-adjusted families.
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  Carrie: My family has worked on it a lot.
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  Carrie: We still have stuff that comes up.
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  Carrie: We still have things to work so common.
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  Carrie: You're not alone.
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  Carrie: It happens to so many families, even well-adjusted families.
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  Carrie: My family has worked on it a lot.
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  Carrie: We still have stuff that comes up.
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  Carrie: We still have things to work through.
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  Carrie: And asking for help and finding help is not a bad thing.
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  Carrie: It's so common for so many of us and that helps our kids in the long run.
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  Carrie: So I think that's fine to say.
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  Carrie: I'm not.
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  Carrie: What's really interesting, I was reading that you had mentioned how you can't move away from the trauma.
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  Carrie: I feel like in American culture it's so common to see families spread apart across the US.
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  Carrie: Sometimes it's jobs, sometimes it's going and starting your own life, sometimes it's running away from trauma.
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  Carrie: What are your thoughts on this?
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  Jenny: It is that, first of all, I'm European.
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  Jenny: So when I went to the US I was like, oh my God, this is like a different world.
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  Jenny: This is like the distance in between.
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  Jenny: We did a bit Canada and the US and I couldn't realize, until I went there, the distance in between.
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  Jenny: So when you speak about distance, for you it's real.
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  Jenny: For us it's not that far.
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  Jenny: My mother is still in france, but in less than a day I'm there, and that's because there's some waiting between trains, yeah, but we like, yeah, the us is really spreadable yes, and people they distant.
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  Carrie: I feel like they.
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  Carrie: They put this distance in between.
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  Carrie: This is going to change the trauma that I have suffered.
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  Carrie: This is going to not make my children go through this.
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  Carrie: This is going to end it.
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  Carrie: That's the thought.
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  Jenny: Yeah, but that's not true.
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  Jenny: When, from my personal story, I had my personal trauma and I realized that my mother was there and I did, literally physically I went to the south of France, turn around and ended up in Ireland and ended up in the UK, thinking I left my trauma in France and it caught me back big time when I was in the UK.
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  Jenny: That was through abusive relationship and then I had to make all the connection in between.
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  Jenny: I still need to do the healing.
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  Jenny: However, the distance help in the sense that you're not constantly in the toxic dynamic and you can do it on your own.
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  Jenny: In my example, the fact that I was away from it let help me to do it on my own time.
• 18:49
  Jenny: Because if you are, if you have a toxic family and you are constantly with them, you're constantly back in the issues and it's so hard to take a step back and to build your boundaries, to understand when to say no.
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  Jenny: This is very hard.
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  Jenny: So the distance can really help in that sense.
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  Jenny: Yeah, and but in terms of the trauma, the distance doesn't make it go away and when we looked at it energetically, the anger you're carrying will still be there.
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  Jenny: The sadness if you lost, because sometimes, even though your parents are not deceased, it's still a loss.
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  Jenny: You lost the ideal parent you were dreaming or wanted, a parent that loved you and this is not what happened.
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  Jenny: It's a loss.
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  Jenny: It's a loss of idealization of a parent.
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  Jenny: All that doesn't go.
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  Jenny: The thing you can go on the other side of the world is still in your body and when we speak about energy is still create the bond with the people that have hurt you.
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  Jenny: And this is when healing it's shifting, changing the emotions you have from the past and that reduce the bonds you have, the energetic connection you have with those people.
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  Carrie: I love it.
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  Carrie: I yeah, that makes so much sense, I definitely.
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  Carrie: I think a lot of people can understand that.
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  Carrie: And there's also that piece of the Living your own version of life too.
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  Carrie: I feel like becoming your own self.
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  Carrie: I used to live several doors down the street from my parents and my husband and I needed to move for better school systems for our kids, and we didn't want to, because it was so nice to have family there and to be so connected.
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  Carrie: But when we did move, we found that we were able to develop into our own adulthood versions that we needed as we were parents, we owned our house, we were living adult life, but I think, energetically it felt like a change for us and it shifted for us.
• 20:43
  Jenny: You still remain the kid of your parents, and that's where a lot of things are not right, because you have the perfect situation and then we have the best we can do.
• 20:53
  Jenny: So you can look at the idealization.
• 20:57
  Jenny: So, yes, this is not right, but we know we're not on a perfect earth and we can't reach perfection, at least so far in the society we have.
• 21:04
  Jenny: So we're trying to do the best that we can.
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  Jenny: But in a perfect situation, the parents give you birth and they are supposed to let you go at some point.
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  Jenny: They're not your parents anymore.
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  Jenny: You are supposed to step in your adulthood to be able to do that with your children, and we look at it the way that the children don't belong to the parents.
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  Jenny: They are their own person, but I'm still going to talk about energetics person.
• 21:34
  Jenny: But we I'm still going to talk about energetics.
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  Jenny: When we look at that, if the parents haven't done that, there's still so many connections that are mixed up and this is why we end up with the trauma of people from 100 years ago, because those connections are just all mixed up.
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  Jenny: We are not just our own individual, we are just entangled with each other and mixed up in terms of energy.
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  Jenny: And yeah, it just prevents you to grow into your own person.
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  Carrie: I love that.
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  Carrie: My grandmother she was from Argentina and she used to always say my children are a product of the world.
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  Carrie: They came through me, but they do not belong to me.
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  Carrie: But also, we don't always live what we preach.
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  Carrie: So she was very controlling of all of us.
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  Carrie: The mind thought was there, the intention was there.
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  Carrie: It didn't always, she did her best, but she was human.
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  Jenny: This is why I like to work with energetics, because when you look at hidden dynamics, you see all these things.
• 22:27
  Jenny: We were talking about family constellation.
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  Jenny: This is a very good method to identify all these things, because what you're saying and what's happening, this is a complete difference, and I've seen that as well with perpetrators and victims.
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  Jenny: Sometimes people who portray victim are actually the perpetrator.
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  Jenny: They are putting themselves in the position of victim, but in terms of energy, they are sucking up all the energy and keep the other one within their system.
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  Jenny: And so it's so interesting to look at hidden dynamics, because what and what is difference?
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  Carrie: Yep, I love that.
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  Carrie: That's so true and it's so amazing when we're in that conscious version of ourselves and we can feel that we can see that we're not in our minds or we don't have all of our layers of I call it the layers of the onion protection as adults.
• 23:15
  Carrie: So I love that.
• 23:17
  Carrie: So this is my year of passion and living out loud.
• 23:21
  Carrie: I I've been asking everybody tuning in.
• 23:24
  Carrie: I'd love to know, jenny, what is your passion in your career?
• 23:28
  Jenny: oh my god, my passion at the minute is trying to sleep my kids.
• 23:36
  Jenny: Oh, that's hard.
• 23:37
  Jenny: Let me sleep.
• 23:45
  Jenny: I have many things I want to do.
• 23:46
  Jenny: I'm very focused with my work because, as you, can know, marketing takes a lot of time and I'm trying to learn about that and I would like to do talks about transgenerational trauma.
• 23:53
  Jenny: So I'm preparing all that on the side, in between naps and in between helping my daughter to destroy the house yes yes, for sure, but before I used to dance salsa, which I used to love, and I still would love to do it.
• 24:09
  Jenny: Except that they're doing the dancing session at 10.30 at night and I'm like, I'm in bed, I cannot, you cannot ask me.
• 24:16
  Jenny: I need an afternoon class.
• 24:18
  Carrie: Yes, if you're ever in the US, you'll have to come to the area I live in Colorado we have 8 o'clock salsa, because in the US we have to start a little earlier.
• 24:27
  Carrie: We have early wake-up times.
• 24:31
  Jenny: I would be able to do that, but here there's 9.30, 10, just a social thing, so it makes it really hard to go out because I'm already like I'm already in bed at that time.
• 24:45
  Carrie: The mom life, yes, and I will say you will get more sleep one day.
• 24:47
  Carrie: I have a six year old and a nine year old and I remember the life of no sleep and it does get.
• 24:50
  Carrie: It gets so much better.
• 24:52
  Carrie: Now I have the nine-year-old who thinks he's 16 and he wants to go to bed late and get up late.
• 24:57
  Carrie: I'm like I'm sorry, school starts at 8.30, dude, you can't get up at nine.
• 25:03
  Jenny: But maybe one day he'll live in Europe because he's destined for that life A lot of things are very are too late in the the evenings, which makes it tricky if you want to start things.
• 25:14
  Jenny: But I've loved, I would love to learn how to draw.
• 25:16
  Jenny: I'm writing a book but I've restarted the whole thing because I was not happy with the story, so it's like impending.
• 25:25
  Jenny: So I have like lots of things aside and my day just go too fast and sometimes sometimes if I don't sleep, my day is about having a big nap with my daughter to recover from the night before.
• 25:35
  Jenny: So that day is just gone, yep.
• 25:38
  Carrie: I've found with heart to heart parents.
• 25:40
  Carrie: I've found I let my right side of my brain flow, which is my creative, and the left side of the brain doesn't always kick in.
• 25:48
  Carrie: Sometimes I just get a little bit done here and there, but each step toward it helps, thanks thanks so much what I really love as well is traveling yeah
• 26:00
  Jenny: oh traveling that is just I didn't have much interest in the US, but my partner is obsessed with the US and I was like, no, I don't want to go, no, I don't want to go.
• 26:12
  Jenny: And then last year he brought me to Yosemite.
• 26:15
  Jenny: Yeah, I was like, oh my god, this is so beautiful.
• 26:19
  Jenny: And then I started to see videos of Montana and I was, oh my god, this is so pretty.
• 26:26
  Jenny: And then Yellowstone I was like, oh yeah, the us became a bit more.
• 26:31
  Jenny: Wow, I'm like, yeah, it looks beautiful, but then after your distance are insane.
• 26:40
  Carrie: Yeah, yeah, it's very far apart.
• 26:42
  Jenny: You end up getting on an airplane to go just a few states away because, yeah, it's very big, it's different looking at yosemite and I was like I'd like to go to see like a Utah national park, and then I checked on the map was like eight hours, eight hours in between, like why, why?
• 26:59
  Jenny: I thought it was like next door.
• 27:03
  Carrie: I love it well, thanks yeah traveling is.
• 27:06
  Jenny: I think traveling is amazing, it's yeah opening up is is discovering landscapes, is like meeting people.
• 27:13
  Jenny: It's and instead of having an idea of what is, you see it straight.
• 27:19
  Jenny: It's.
• 27:19
  Jenny: I had I can't remember how you say, but like ideas of how people would be and I didn't want to go to places.
• 27:26
  Jenny: And then, when I'm arriving there, I'm like, oh my god, this is not how I imagined at all.
• 27:30
  Jenny: Yeah, yeah, so it's very eye-opening to travel.
• 27:33
  Carrie: I really love it so yeah, the cultures yeah, it's so fun to see the culture and everything and especially with the family pieces, to just see how the families live in different countries.
• 27:43
  Carrie: That that has been really interesting.
• 27:46
  Carrie: I think I would love to travel to Europe now as a parent and see how different it looks.
• 27:51
  Carrie: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Jenny: I'd be curious.
• 27:53
  Jenny: Yeah, I wish we had more access to other culture children's education.
• 28:01
  Jenny: There's one author that did that.
• 28:02
  Jenny: Unfortunately I'm so bad with names, but the title of the book is Hunter Gathers Something.
• 28:07
  Carrie: Oh, that sounds familiar.
• 28:08
  Jenny: And she was saying that she had a two two years old and she was in tears because it was.
• 28:13
  Jenny: She was like yelling and arguing over two years old, constantly and she was like it can be, it can be that.
• 28:21
  Jenny: And she said to travel and she did the Inuits in the north, she did a tribe in a culture in Mexico, I think, and somewheres, and she learned how they were raising their children and how the children were not the same as her.
• 28:36
  Jenny: They were helpful, they were part of the family and she understood how they were raising their kids and the difference with the US.
• 28:45
  Jenny: But the other is American and I just thought it was so interesting to be able to read about other culture and being able to take from somebody else what works to bring it in your own family.
• 28:58
  Jenny: That was good.
• 28:59
  Jenny: So having a book or having something about different culture in the world, how they raise their children, I think that would be very interesting.
• 29:07
  Carrie: That would be really interesting.
• 29:08
  Carrie: I love it.
• 29:08
  Carrie: You might have to get on that, Jenny.
• 29:12
  Jenny: Traveling around the world, my two years old whining in the back.
• 29:18
  Carrie: Yeah, those long flights get a little tricky with the tiny ones, but yeah she's older but of course she's terrible.
• 29:25
  Jenny: Uh no, last year we did six, seven hours hike with her, but my partner was not allowed to stop each time.
• 29:31
  Jenny: He was stopping to take a photo yep, it's the stops.
• 29:37
  Carrie: It's the stops.
• 29:38
  Carrie: You have to keep the momentum going yeah, yeah yeah, thank you so much, jenny, for being here.
• 29:43
  Carrie: I love to let our listeners know how they can find you, and I can include your links in the show notes too.
• 29:48
  Jenny: Yeah, yeah, I have my website, I have Instagram.
• 29:52
  Jenny: Instagram is not, is very doesn't work at the minute because, yeah, working on it, so I don't know, sure, not anything figure it out.
• 30:02
  Jenny: I'm gonna post, I'm gonna post it and then.
• 30:04
  Jenny: So I'm working on the content at the minute, so work in progress that's how all of them are.
• 30:09
  Jenny: That's how all of them are.
• 30:10
  Jenny: That's how all of mine are as well, and if you love my page work in progress.
• 30:12
  Jenny: Work in progress Perfect.
• 30:14
  Carrie: Yes, thank you so much, jenny.
• 30:16
  Carrie: Have a great day.
• 30:17
  Carrie: Thank you you too.
• 30:18
  Carrie: That's a wrap.
• 30:20
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• 30:21
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• 30:22
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• 30:32
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• 30:42
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• 30:45
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• 30:48
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• 30:52
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• 30:53
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• 31:01
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• 31:06
  Carrie: Thanks so much, happy listeners.