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#217 - 38 Spesh · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Yo, what up? This is the boy Dame representing play
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  Speaker 1: too Much CMG. Hey man, check me out on Bootleg
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  Speaker 1: cav podcast. Yep, Bootleg cab Podcast. Special guests in here, Cyrus.
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  Speaker 1: Can we get this man a nice ashtray? Right? There's
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  Speaker 1: one right there. Let's get him an ash tray? All right?
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  Speaker 1: We got thirty eight special in here. Yes, thirty eight spech.
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  Speaker 1: We have to provide you with an ash tray for
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  Speaker 1: the fire weed that you have been given. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: Some great weed, man. Yeah, my guy's highest draft pussy
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  Speaker 1: right now. Yes, Iam, welcome man, It's good to see you, bro.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I just want to salute you. Man.
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  Speaker 1: I've been a fan for a long time. You've definitely
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  Speaker 1: been grinding over a decade. I feel like, definitely, what
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  Speaker 1: are we talking fifteen years now? About fifteen? Because what
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  Speaker 1: year did you have to go sit down? Was that
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  Speaker 1: like damn that was two thousand and nine and some shit? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah. Was it hard when you because like
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you were buzzing and obviously to go
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  Speaker 1: sit down that was horrible, man, Hell yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: fucking hard. Do you almost feel like there was like
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  Speaker 1: was there was there a something positive you could took
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  Speaker 1: out of there, like maybe you weren't ready for the
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  Speaker 1: for the shine that was coming at the time. It was. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: looking back now, definitely I had a lot more living
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  Speaker 1: to do, you know what I mean, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: more things to experience. I had to get more of
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  Speaker 1: an understanding of business. I realized I ain't want to
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  Speaker 1: come in the game that way. Yeah, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I didn't want to be that kind of artist.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I wanted to come into the game a
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  Speaker 1: certain kind of way, which was going to take a
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  Speaker 1: certain kind of route, certain type of time. So look,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that at the beginning. You know. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get right to where I was going right
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  Speaker 1: then and there skip the steps. Yeah, but the steps
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  Speaker 1: you gotta do ship to make sure that you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: is solid when you get there. Yep. So did you
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  Speaker 1: feel like, because I feel like sometimes artists make a
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  Speaker 1: mistake when they're kind of like one foot in, one
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  Speaker 1: foot out on the rap shit, where it's like, did
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  Speaker 1: that force you to kind of really focus on music more,
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  Speaker 1: take it a lot more serious when you got out
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  Speaker 1: of course, Like I had to make a conscious decision
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  Speaker 1: and ship, Like what did I want to do? And uh,
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  Speaker 1: prior to me making that decision, I always gave most
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  Speaker 1: of my energy to the streets as opposed to music.
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  Speaker 1: You know, even like the titles of your early projects
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  Speaker 1: were like right, it was all you know, out on,
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  Speaker 1: out on bail and custody. Yeah, right ship like that
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  Speaker 1: thirty eight Laws of Powder. But yeah, I'm high as fuck.
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  Speaker 1: What was the question? I was just I was just saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, obviously a lot of artists coming into the
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  Speaker 1: game and they have one foot in, one for out,
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like sometimes you have a humbling experience
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  Speaker 1: like getting locked up, where you know it might maybe
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  Speaker 1: kind of reprioritize how you see things. Yeah, of course,
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  Speaker 1: man see it like a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people I could cuss around, Yeah of course. So a
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  Speaker 1: lot of motherfuckers is running around taking extreme resk and
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  Speaker 1: shit like that because they never suffered any consequences. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the younger you are, the more wilder you are moven
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  Speaker 1: reckless because you know, you really ain't experienced any consequences.
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  Speaker 1: And shit me, I'm a person that experienced consequences at
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  Speaker 1: the consequence, which makes me appreciate not halving that face consequences,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So until you experience those consequences,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to have that same appreciation level. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, I definitely have a high appreciation level from
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  Speaker 1: suffering from those consequences, you know what I'm saying. And
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  Speaker 1: I had to make a conscious decision, like I was saying,
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  Speaker 1: to either take music one hundred and ten percent and
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  Speaker 1: give it all and lead out of it shit alone,
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  Speaker 1: which was a very hard decision because I wasn't in
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  Speaker 1: the best position financially, right, and that easy money is
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  Speaker 1: the easy money, right, Yeah, And what you know is
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  Speaker 1: what you know. Yeah, And that's what the sacrifice come in,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And I made those sacrifices, and it was
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  Speaker 1: the best thing that I best decision I made for
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  Speaker 1: my life, you know what I'm saying. I made it
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  Speaker 1: just by having faith, not really having a complete understanding
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  Speaker 1: on how I was gonna capitalize a liquid eate. But
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  Speaker 1: I knew the upside potential as opposed to the upside
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  Speaker 1: of potential of the streets. Right, the potential is like
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  Speaker 1: short term game, but the longside, the long term shit
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  Speaker 1: is jail, death, incarceration. We know the results from that
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  Speaker 1: right now, it's not you know, and you know, the
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  Speaker 1: short term payoff is great. Yeah, of course, of course,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you know that other life,
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  Speaker 1: meaning like the music and the music money, just seemed
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  Speaker 1: a little more intriguing. And it's and it's not. There's
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  Speaker 1: no there's really no one way to do it. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you've done a great job of carving
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  Speaker 1: your own way of making like I feel like most
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  Speaker 1: artists look at the music industry as Okay, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: get in advance, I'm gonna put out music and i'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna tour. I'm gonna go do clubs, I'm gonna do shows,
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to really turning over every rock if you
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  Speaker 1: have a core fan base, that's there's ways to monetize that.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. And shit, that's what see, if I
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  Speaker 1: was still in the streets, I wanted to magnify those
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  Speaker 1: opportunities by me not being in the streets. I've really
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  Speaker 1: seen that and noticed it. So it left up when
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  Speaker 1: I was in the streets and relying on other areas.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's easy to leave rocks unturned, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's like Okay, let me go
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  Speaker 1: in and figure out how to make some money in
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  Speaker 1: this area, in this area, in this area, because it's
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  Speaker 1: all I have. Yep, I have no other way. And
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you got to put yourself in those positions to
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  Speaker 1: where all you got. If you a hustler, then you
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  Speaker 1: got to put yourself in a position to where you
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  Speaker 1: know you have to hustle. You got to look at
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  Speaker 1: your product. I mean as much as like it's art,
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  Speaker 1: but it's also like a business. You're in the music business,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like, especially as an independent artist, it
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  Speaker 1: almost expands the way you can make money. If you're
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  Speaker 1: signed on a major label, there's so much red tape
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  Speaker 1: anything you want to do. That's where you could do
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  Speaker 1: whatever the fuck you want. You could drop a project
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  Speaker 1: for three months before it's DSPs and only your fans
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  Speaker 1: get it. You could drop a fucking limited edition vinyl run.
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  Speaker 1: You could do it. So many things you could do that.
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  Speaker 1: I figured that out later on, but at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of the journey that don't. That's not too like you know,
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  Speaker 1: visible force, of course, you know what I'm saying. So
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  Speaker 1: your first your goals change as you get more knowledge
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. At first, I just wanted to deal. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course, keep your advance, get high and stuff. Back
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  Speaker 1: then that was like definitely still with hard radio era,
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  Speaker 1: that was kind of the way to go back then,
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  Speaker 1: it was definitely the goal. Like, and I didn't understand that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you didn't need a lot of fans in
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  Speaker 1: order to really like get rich facts. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: just need you just need, you need more fans and followers.
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  Speaker 1: I would take five hundred fans over a million followers.
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  Speaker 1: I would definitely take that because five hundred fans, when
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  Speaker 1: I say fans of people who will spend money with
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  Speaker 1: you, you you can be able to pay your bills. You'll
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  Speaker 1: be able to keep a roof over your head with
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  Speaker 1: those five hundred people if you do it the right way.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, yeah, of course you've built waight. I
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  Speaker 1: mean you're you're you're up there, man, you're killing it.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's wild. I do feel like like when
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  Speaker 1: I when you talk to people who've been locked up,
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  Speaker 1: they take it as one or two ways. Either one
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  Speaker 1: they come out and fucked more and situtionalized, or they
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  Speaker 1: get humbled. Andy, it kind of corrects the path when
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  Speaker 1: you were when you were in incarcerated, were you working
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  Speaker 1: on your bars in there. Hell nah, nah, meat man,
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  Speaker 1: I only could move off energy and real life events, right,
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  Speaker 1: I can't really like you were like unmotivated. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even write on what I'm doing, Yeah, with my
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  Speaker 1: life doing so I'm gonna either. I ain't want to
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  Speaker 1: write about being in jail. I knew my ship was
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  Speaker 1: natural talent and when I came home that I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna be able to work. And actually when I came home,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I stepped my ship up even more. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying for was my flow and all
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  Speaker 1: of that without having to practice in jail. It's just
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  Speaker 1: a natural thing. But I ain't work on nothing in jail. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Was there like a was there like a scene in
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  Speaker 1: prison of like rappers, like people like kicking ciphers and
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  Speaker 1: they obviously you had a name when you were in there.
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  Speaker 1: Did people know who you were? Yeah? Or they found out? Well,
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  Speaker 1: they were a couple of motherfuckers, was knowing who I was?
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  Speaker 1: And shit, because I was still on the come up there, right,
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  Speaker 1: you were still on to come up? Yeah. So but
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  Speaker 1: I would run across a couple of spinners and ship
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  Speaker 1: like shout out to my homeboy, iron Chic he was
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  Speaker 1: on the battle scene and him had a few sessions
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  Speaker 1: in the in the yard iron Chek. Yeah, shout out
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  Speaker 1: the Iron Chek and ship Man. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Facts you uh, for people who don't know, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of people if it wasn't Griselda, they
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  Speaker 1: discovered Bennie through you, got through you and you and
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: you guys doing the Early Collapse table was that twenty fifteen? Yeah,
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: like the Trust tapes and stuff like that, that that all
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  Speaker 1: that early ship Explain your relationship obviously, both you guys
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  Speaker 1: are from upstate about an hour apart Buffalo, Rochester minutes
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  Speaker 1: our Explain how did you and Benny end up initially
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  Speaker 1: linking up? I used to go to DJ Sha Studio,
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  Speaker 1: Bressing Peace, Bressing Piece to DJ Shit. I used to
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  Speaker 1: go there to record that was like that was Benning
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  Speaker 1: Home Studio and like green and Team Invasion and shout
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  Speaker 1: out to Greenlander and Team Evasion. And they they suggested
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  Speaker 1: that I go out to Buffalo to record at Shape Spot.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, early in my career, like two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and seven, I would go out there and just start
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  Speaker 1: working on my early mixtapes, right, and then me and
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  Speaker 1: Benny would just collapse because that was his home studio,
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: so eventually it became my home studio as well. And
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  Speaker 1: that's how me and Benny gaked that relationship because I'll
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  Speaker 1: come through there and we just be working and shit,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And uh, that's how I started.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I met Ben, That's how I met Conway,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, the whole, the whole Griselda ship. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think you guys are synonymous with each other, both
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: of y'all's movements, you know, in terms of like what
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  Speaker 1: y'all do with the fans, what y'all do on the
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  Speaker 1: business side, like and then obviously musically. I think you
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  Speaker 1: guys are very tidy in man, has it has it been?
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  Speaker 1: It's been pretty dope for you just knowing Bennie since
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  Speaker 1: back then to kind of see everything that Benny been
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  Speaker 1: one of my main motivations on my journey and ship
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  Speaker 1: because it was times that you know, on my journey,
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  Speaker 1: I faced so many things that would discourage me from
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  Speaker 1: not you know, knowing how to capitalize off it, that
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  Speaker 1: I would take breaks and watching Bennie he just would
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  Speaker 1: keep going, would keep going, and that was the motivation
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  Speaker 1: I needed, right, So when I seen like the response
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  Speaker 1: he was getting, that motivated me. It was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I know it's possible. You know, there's somebody I work
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  Speaker 1: with all the time and I see how they responding
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  Speaker 1: to him. So it's like, oh, let me show on
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  Speaker 1: what I could do too. If Benny ain't keep working
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  Speaker 1: the way he did, I went and I had that
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  Speaker 1: motivation or inspiration to really keep going because like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't making no money off of it after doing
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: it for ten years, right, So you know, once I
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  Speaker 1: seen my boy doing actually getting the respect and the recognition,
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  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, okay, we're on or something now.
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  Speaker 1: And that's when I picked my pen back up and
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: we did stab and shot. That was a great project.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate that, Yeah, great project. It's stoked because I like
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: to see watching you go on your recent run and
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: watching Ransom go on his recent run. It's been dope
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: to see. And uh, you know, Ransom somebody who's on
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  Speaker 1: your new project, but he's also somebody who I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: you know is has done a really good job of
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: finessing the independent game to your let like like using
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: like the positive because you know something like you said,
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  Speaker 1: when you first came into the game, you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: get a record. I think Ransom is somebody who like
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: is doing a great job of making sure he's super
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: serving his fans, making sure he don't he don't go
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  Speaker 1: too too long without making sure you hear a project
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: from him, or you stay on top, like you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's dope to see both of
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: y'all from that era, right you know, really, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like y'all are really catching your stride right now, Like
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy. It is crazy, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's really it's it's it's motivational, inspirational to
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  Speaker 1: the people that's grinding and let you know, not to
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: give up, because there's chapters of every of your guys'
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  Speaker 1: careers that are like legendary within themselves, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. So it's like just to see ten, twelve, thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: fourteen years in both of y'all are fucking hitting your peak.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's dope, and like you said, it is inspirational.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure for a lot of artists who can watch
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  Speaker 1: them just be like, damn, these dude is really hitting
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  Speaker 1: their stride right now. All these years later. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: the interview. Would you say that, like obviously you said
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  Speaker 1: Benny was a big inspiration, but like just the you know,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you and you and Grisela have similar
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: her business models in terms of YO, when we drop,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have the merch, we're gonna have the vinyl.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna make sure that fans can show up and
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  Speaker 1: support us with with where it counts like you might
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  Speaker 1: not pay for the project, but hey, we gotta We
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: got a hoodie, we gotta TV. Would you say that,
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  Speaker 1: like with what Grisela kind of did, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who was doing that first, but now well on the
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  Speaker 1: on the merch side and that whole thing that was
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: definitely Griselta. They they they helped introduce the whole formula
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: to how to actually capitalize. Shout out to Gun because
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: shut out the Gun And that's another thing, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: if Gun ain't really do what he did, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have the motivation to really take it serious
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  Speaker 1: as well. I didn't really see that it was money
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  Speaker 1: to be made and really see how to really connect
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  Speaker 1: with the people. And Gun figure that out. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Father, It's like how to actually capitalize
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  Speaker 1: on the fan base and ship, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: So so so shout out to the whole Grisetta. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yeah that that that that that whole formula is that
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Fowers that way of course,
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  Speaker 1: like definitely definite. You also, uh, you know, you're no
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  Speaker 1: stranger to do in collad project. Shout out to my
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  Speaker 1: guy Chase Fatty who's been through here, you guys had
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  Speaker 1: a dope project together. Who is on your radar that
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: like if you were there's like an up and coming
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: artist that you're just fucking with them, Like if you
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: could do an album with them? Who would have beat this?
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  Speaker 1: You respect? Oh? Man, let me see man, because it
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  Speaker 1: could also be a O G. Just somebody here, Like, man,
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  Speaker 1: album that day. That's you know what I'm saying that, Yeah,
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• 18:00
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  Speaker 1: back to the interview. Rochester obviously upstate New York in general,
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  Speaker 1: up until the last maybe seven eight years, I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, very slept on. I mean, you were probably
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  Speaker 1: were you locked up when Amelio started to pop a bit,
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  Speaker 1: when Breaking Point came out. I just came home and shit,
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  Speaker 1: I just came home around that time and shit. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because when I think of Rochester, I think of you,
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  Speaker 1: I think of him, I think of Green Lantern. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's how it started. Yeah, with the whole hip hop scene.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I remember having the Team
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Invasion mixtapes back in the day exactly. Shout out the
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• 21:30
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• 21:34
  Speaker 1: town that really like open doors like that let us know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: like okay, oh yeah, Eminem's DJ, jay Z's DJ Naz's DJ,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: right and one of the coldest producers, right, And people
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: don't understand Like, man, I used to sit under Green
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and study a lot, Like that's how I know how
• 21:52
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• 21:55
  Speaker 1: understand it, like how I would want to start and
• 21:57
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• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you know that come from like you know, really sitting
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: there up under Green. Green Lantern has got my favorite
• 22:04
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• 22:07
  Speaker 1: favorite mixtape DJ of all time, to be honest, man,
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  Speaker 1: So shout out to Green that's my dog. He's out
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of my hometown now, nay Z doing his thing man
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Green Lantern. Man, So I was gonna say, was it
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: did it work against you? Not being from New York
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: City and being from that the city in that area.
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  Speaker 1: At first, it definitely it just started working funny. Yeah,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: that ain't become cool until you know, recently these last
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: couple of years. Before then, they they wasn't jack and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: that it was so hard, like you know what I mean,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Like New York is real like territorial prideful, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that what they rep like, you know they so
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: it's like they ain't even really like supporting other boroughs.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like the Bronx right loan another spy
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: six hours away, you know what I'm saying. Serious drive
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: they never even heard of before. So it was real
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: hard for them to like understand where we was coming from.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They didn't understand it because
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  Speaker 1: you know, they didn't understand that you know, these were
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  Speaker 1: stories up here and people really getting busy up here.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: They never been up there, never went to the prison system,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you think it's it's
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that's gone away recently. Hell yeah, that was the understanding. Yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, if they understand now, like
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: like you know, there's another part of New York because
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's always guys like you know, obviously
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Static Select is not from New York, is from Boston,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: but I feel like he always would show love on
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: SHA forty five just to the guys like you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the Gris all the guys. That's when I first heard
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: of them was a Static freestyle and case Leigh you
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: know definitely. But I feel like now you know, you'll
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: see Folk Flex show support, you know, and obviously shot
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: out to Conway for motivating Flex to challenge every New
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: York rapper to make new music. I'm glad something dope
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: came out of that situation because it looked interesting in
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: for a shouts about got conract. But for you man,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty two, when you put out a project,
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  Speaker 1: gonna come out. We got to have the merch together,
• 24:18
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• 24:20
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• 24:23
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  Speaker 1: your work, your art. For independent artists that are watching this, like,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: what are the things that you make sure are all
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: aligned before you put something out. I make sure that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the project is you know, I make sure I got
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I make sure it's done, and I got all the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: assets first, you know, assets meaning like my good artwork,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: social media stuff, social media stuff, videos, things that I
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: could do that I could use to help with my rollout.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I make sure I got all of that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: before I go and hire a publicist or somebody that
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: work it, because you don't want to hire the publics
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: for everything you chasing, you tell stuff like that. So
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the first thing I do is make sure I got
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: all the assets connected to the project. After I got that,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: then I make sure I got all the merchant stuff
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: you know, in production. And then that's about it. Man.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Once I got all of those things linked up, you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I make sure that I'm with a good distributor to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: make sure I could get some proper visibility on right,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: maybe some playlists pitching, you know what I'm saying, which
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: is very important. And that's about it. Once I got
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: those things, and you know, I don't you know, I
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: make sure I turn the music in at least thirty
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: days or more prior to me releasing and give the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: digital peoples enough time to do what they need to
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: do with it, like you can't just like us sometimes
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: as all this, we'll lock ourselves into a date, be
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: like I'm wanna drop next week. Just get them the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: music and stuff, you know, you want to actually really
• 25:50
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• 25:53
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• 25:55
  Speaker 1: date and the album's not mixed master turned in, then you,
• 25:58
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• 26:00
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• 26:02
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• 26:04
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• 26:08
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So yeah, that's that's about that.
• 26:11
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• 26:16
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• 26:18
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• 26:29
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• 26:34
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• 26:36
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• 26:40
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• 26:42
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  Speaker 1: to the interview. Removing your project in any projects you've
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  Speaker 1: been a part of from this year, what is your
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  Speaker 1: favorite album, what's your album of the year so far?
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  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two. Oh shit, man, man, what did I
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  Speaker 1: listen to this? Shit? Man? Damn man, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to give me like three of them. I don't listen
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  Speaker 1: to people. How about that, You didn't listen to the
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  Speaker 1: Pusher t album? Nah, it's fire, I gotta go listen
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• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I heard not I heard. I heard like what was
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  Speaker 1: on a radio like with him and the chit going
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• 28:54
  Speaker 1: in the check. I didn't go listen to it, though.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of with when it comes to music, right,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I gotta have like I'm not unreal. I don't know, bro,
• 29:03
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• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I don't listen it. Like that's fair? Like that? What
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: about who would you consider your top like four or five?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Like your personal It don't got to be the greatest
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  Speaker 1: Just MC's all time Cougie rap I put at the
• 29:21
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• 29:24
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• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you've obviously got music dedicated to him. Shot the coolgie
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: rap shit whole, not just from lyrical content, from from
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: from the field, everything everything, fuck it. Yeah. Oh nahs
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: for creativity, fucking rewind Man like creativity, like I got
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: different rappers, that's for different things. Tupac for emotion pain Yep,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that was the first person that made me feel something
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: like how I feel sad or I feel happy? I
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  Speaker 1: damn big, big and without a doubt, big for just
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: like flow the best flow ever flow butter flow right,
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  Speaker 1: big for flow period. That's fair. Yeah, that's a grade five.
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  Speaker 1: never passed? Man? Ship? Where would he be at right now?
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  Speaker 1: what you got coming? Do you have anything else coming?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: The rest of the Year or anything out in the books,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: more music, or you just working seven shots right now.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I'm working seven shots. But I got some ship. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I want to announce it yet because
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• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Is coming out twenty twenty three, y'all get ready for that.
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  Speaker 1: Has Conway convinced you to visit him in Denver yet? No?
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  Speaker 1: I ain't go out there yet. He's pretty much living
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  Speaker 1: there now. I went and saw him last month. He
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: fucking fell in love with Denver and it's just not lie.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: He's just not leaving. I gotta go. I've never even been.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I'll go and check that shit out. You've never been
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to Denver, I've never been Dever. Just go out there.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Conway's got like a he's got to sewed up out there.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: They treat him like he's you were to think he's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: from Denver. We was moving around out the strip. Club
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: fucking weed grows all kinds of shit. So Conway and
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Special Album twenty twenty three Facts love to hear it Yeah,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: there it is, man. I appreciate you pulling up. Yo.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: You just also just did a crazy freestyle, which is
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: a different YouTube video. Go watch that shit. That ship
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: was insane. What is the website? People can go support
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: the trust Station the trust Station dot Com. Y'all could
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: go get merged. Y'all could go and get Vinyl. Y'all
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: could go and listen to my own radio station on
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the trust Station dot Com. Y'all could go and listen
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to my radio station. You're curating the playlist. I'm curating
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the playlist, man, But you know I got some shows
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: in there too. You know what I'm saying. That is
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: live as well, and shit, you know what I mean.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: The app will be launching soon, y'all gonna be here more.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have an app coming, definitely. The app is
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: coming soon, so people will be able to ride around
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and listen to your radio station and right from their phone.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah well right now, you can still do it. You
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: could go to the trust that dot Com listen to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: it right from the site from your browser. But the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: app is on the way. They things coming, man. You
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: can be dropping like exclusive music on the app first.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, it's smart, bro. There it is, Man thirty
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: eight specch appreciate you pulling up, brother, Yes that you
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: having me bro Fire boom