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- 0:00Seaweed forests may be one of the planet's largest natural climate allies, yet
- 0:05most are invisible to climate policy, unprotected by conservation laws and
- 0:10missing from carbon accounting entirely.
- 0:13While mangroves and seagrasses get the spotlight, kelp forest and other seaweed
- 0:17habitat are quietly doing the work without recognition, protection, or funding.
- 0:22So how can one of the most productive ecosystems on earth be almost
- 0:26completely ignored in climate solutions?
- 0:28We're gonna be talking about that on today's episode of the How
- 0:30to Protect the Ocean Podcast.
- 0:32Let's start the show.
- 0:35Hey everybody.
- 0:35Welcome back to another exciting episode of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.
- 0:38I'm your host, Andrew Lewin, Marine biologist and science communicator
- 0:41here to tell you what's happening with the Ocean, how you can speak up for
- 0:44the Ocean, and what you can do to live for a better Ocean by taking action.
- 0:48And you're probably wondering right off the bat, Andrew,
- 0:50what's going on with your voice.
- 0:51If you listen to this podcast for any number of times,
- 0:53this is not my normal voice.
- 0:55If you're new here, this isn't my normal voice.
- 0:57I was at a hockey tournament.
- 0:58I coach hockey for my youngest and she's in new 18.
- 1:02We had a great tournament.
- 1:03We got to the semis, and I lost my voice.
- 1:05It just happens.
- 1:06This is what happens.
- 1:07I tried to do a recording beforehand, ran outta time, but
- 1:09now I am doing this recording because this is an important topic.
- 1:12We're talking about seaweed, not seagrasses, which
- 1:15I've talked about before.
- 1:16I've talked about seaweed before in terms of kelp, but we're gonna talk about a
- 1:19number of different things of seaweed, and I just want you to think, although I
- 1:22may not mention every species of seaweed or really a lot of species of seaweed.
- 1:26I'm gonna be telling you just about seaweed in general and
- 1:29how important it is in climate solutions in blue carbon capture.
- 1:34Now, a lot of the times you're going to hear about carbon capture in Canada,
- 1:38you're gonna be here all around the world.
- 1:39A lot of oil and gas execs and supporters like to use the fact
- 1:42that they use carbon capture.
- 1:44Well, carbon capture can be done well except if you're putting
- 1:47out so much greenhouse gases.
- 1:49Carbon capture does not and has not been able to keep up with the demand.
- 1:53But we do have natural sources of carbon capture.
- 1:56Trees and forests are one, but they do not have the ability to take in
- 2:00as much carbon as you would think.
- 2:02When you have seagrasses, mangroves, kelp forest is a seaweed and other
- 2:05seaweed, you would be able to capture four to 10 times more carbon
- 2:10than any other tree on the planet.
- 2:12So.
- 2:13Why do we not focus on that?
- 2:16Why are we not focusing on rebuilding or protecting seagrasses, mangroves
- 2:22and then the seaweeds like kelp so that we can better protect our
- 2:25planet against climate change?
- 2:27That is the question that we're gonna be talking about today,
- 2:30especially focusing in on seaweed.
- 2:33Kelp and other seaweed.
- 2:34The first thing we should do is define what blue carbon is.
- 2:37Blue carbon refers to the carbon captured and stored by
- 2:40coastal and Marine ecosystems.
- 2:42So traditionally it includes, like I said, mangrove, salt marshes
- 2:45even, and seagrass meadows.
- 2:47These systems trap carbon in sediments for centuries to millennia, which is great.
- 2:52They are recognized in climate frameworks such as National Carbon Inventories.
- 2:57but there's a major carbon capturing ecosystem that is missing from
- 3:00that list, and that is seaweed.
- 3:02Seaweeds, including kelp forest and macroalgae grow incredibly fast, and a
- 3:07lot of times people don't like seaweed.
- 3:09We have to have a lot of problem with seaweed when we put our feet into the
- 3:12Ocean, if we're away on a trip to a tropical paradise, we see seaweed.
- 3:16We're like, ah, I don't like seaweed on my feet.
- 3:18It feels gross.
- 3:18But it's a naturally occurring thing.
- 3:20It's something that should be in the ocean.
- 3:22Now sometimes, it's a lot and sometimes it's not so much, but it's always
- 3:26there and people don't like it.
- 3:28Oftentimes in resorts and in anywhere where there's tropical
- 3:31areas where there's a high tourist attraction or a high tourist usage,
- 3:35you'll see dredging of the seaweed.
- 3:38And dredging of the beach because people don't wanna see seaweed,
- 3:40so they'll clean up the seaweed.
- 3:41But it's a natural occurring It's required to be there in the ecosystems
- 3:44because part of the ecosystem, and it does a really good job at capturing carbon.
- 3:47The only thing is, is like even though they capture massive amounts of carbon
- 3:51dioxide through photosynthesis, much of their carbon isn't staying in that
- 3:55same area like seagrasses or mangroves.
- 3:57When seagrasses or mangroves take in carbon through photosynthesis,
- 4:00they actually put it into the sediments right below where they are.
- 4:03With algae, algae can break off and it can float across oceans through
- 4:07circulation patterns and so forth.
- 4:09And so the fact that they don't stay there is very difficult to
- 4:12measure how much carbon is actually being captured in that one area.
- 4:17That carbon can sink as it floats away.
- 4:19A carbon can sink into the deep sea and it can be stored for hundreds of years
- 4:23in the deep sea, which is fantastic to have as it's naturally occurring.
- 4:28Seaweed does not store the carbon place like mangroves, but it exports
- 4:33carbon across the ocean, which challenges how we measure and value it.
- 4:37Why do seaweed meadows matter beyond carbon?
- 4:40We'll seaweed habitats like kelp forests, they support fish
- 4:44invertebrates and juvenile fish and all different types of life stages.
- 4:48They act as a coastal buffer against waves and erosion.
- 4:51They improve local water quality.
- 4:54Many of the coastal fisheries depend on kelp associated species
- 4:57as another seaweed species.
- 4:59So this is something that is huge.
- 5:01If kelp forests disappear, entire food webs unravel, not just carbon pathways.
- 5:05Entire food webs unravel.
- 5:07So the central problem that the recent scientists have uncovered is that most
- 5:11seaweed ecosystems lack formal protection.
- 5:13Marine protected areas often don't consider kelp specifically.
- 5:17Seaweed is excluded from many blue carbon policies because it
- 5:20does not store carbon locally.
- 5:22So it's very difficult to measure the local carbon storage effect because
- 5:27seaweed is transported across oceans.
- 5:29So climate finance mechanisms rarely apply to macroalgae because even though we
- 5:34know the science of seaweed, it matters, but the policy hasn't caught up to what
- 5:39seaweed could do for the climate system.
- 5:41So climate is only now uncovering the way that carbon is stored in seaweed and how
- 5:48much of it is actually stored in seaweed.
- 5:49And that's through improved tracking of carbon export pathways.
- 5:53So the fact is we start to be able to see how carbon is stored within seaweed
- 5:58and how it's traveled across the way.
- 6:00Now it's a number of different ways that we can see what's happening.
- 6:03Like we better model deep sea carbon sequestration.
- 6:06We better model ocean currents.
- 6:08We recognize that ignoring seaweed underestimates ocean carbon uptake,
- 6:13and of course, growing calls to expand the definition of blue carbon
- 6:16helps include different pathways such as seaweed in this carbon.
- 6:20Now, some of the ways that we can track carbon is very interesting.
- 6:24So we have better ocean centers and autonomous platforms.
- 6:27So autonomous gliders, floats and underwater vehicles now
- 6:30carry biogeochemical sensors.
- 6:32So we can see where carbon is stored and we can also track
- 6:36where that carbon is coming from.
- 6:38So it's not just, this is Marine carbon.
- 6:40It's coming from, this is a carbon that was coming from
- 6:43specific species of seaweed.
- 6:46That's how good we've got it.
- 6:48So these instruments that we have, like these autonomous gliders, the
- 6:51floats, the underwater vehicles, these instruments continually measure
- 6:54dissolved carbon, oxygen, nutrients.
- 6:56They operate for months, even years, in some cases across
- 7:00coastal and offshore water.
- 7:01So these are huge, huge things.
- 7:02So seaweed carbon does not just stay where it grows.
- 7:05These platforms let researchers detect carbon rich water masses moving offshore.
- 7:10Something that ships alone could not track this reliably.
- 7:14So you have to have something like this, some sort of improved systems
- 7:18like we do, like I just mentioned.
- 7:19Now of course we can use stable isotopes to better help distinguish seaweed
- 7:23derived from phytoplankton carbon.
- 7:25Biomarker compounds unique to macroalgae can now be traced
- 7:29in sediments and deep waters.
- 7:31So scientists can now say with far more confidence that this carbon came from kelp
- 7:36and not that just this carbon is Marine.
- 7:38Huge, huge aspect of that.
- 7:40Now of course we can also use particle tracking and ocean balls.
- 7:44This is something that I was going to be doing for my PhD. If
- 7:46I was gonna go through with it.
- 7:47We were gonna be tracking particles within a network of Marine protected areas to
- 7:51see how these biological systems are connected within the marine protected area
- 7:56network to make sure that all the biology, all the larval stages will actually go
- 8:00to another part of the Marine protected area to ensure that is protected.
- 8:03So these high resolution circulation models simulate how seaweed fragments
- 8:07drift and sink particle tracking models follow carbon pathways
- 8:11from coastlines to the deep sea.
- 8:12And models are validated with real world sensor data that I just discussed before.
- 8:17We can also track kelp forests and kelp through remote sensing.
- 8:20So any kind of seaweed extend or productivity satellites can map kelp
- 8:24canopy extent and seasonal growth.
- 8:26So we can see the growth or even a retraction of that habitat from a
- 8:29number of different disturbances.
- 8:31And then of course, long term data sets show how much
- 8:33biomass is produced each year.
- 8:36So you can't just estimate carbon export without knowing how much
- 8:39seaweed exists in the first place.
- 8:40So these satellite imagery are able to close this major accounting gap.
- 8:45And of course now linking the export to long-term storage sediment cores
- 8:49that these big long tubes that go into the sediment, right into the
- 8:53sediment, they can get a number of different layers depending on the
- 8:56size of the core reveals that macro algal carbon is buried at depth.
- 9:00And then genetic and chemical markers linked, buried carbon
- 9:03back to coastal seaweed.
- 9:04If you have the same markers, you can track it back to, like from the depth
- 9:08in like say the middle ocean to a coastal area that's nearby or even further.
- 9:12And it's really cool to be able to have that.
- 9:15So the fact is, without these systems, we didn't know how much carbon the
- 9:19seaweed was actually bearing into the deep sea or around the ocean.
- 9:23And now that we have this, we know that we're underestimating the carbon
- 9:26capture and we know that there's more, and we're getting closer and closer to
- 9:29fully understanding how much the seaweed is not only capturing carbon, but also,
- 9:33that is dispersing it across the ocean.
- 9:36So here is what really needs to change when we talk about seaweed.
- 9:40We need to expand blue carbon definitions to include macroalgae, which is seaweed.
- 9:44Protect seaweed habitats through targeted marine protections, like
- 9:48marine protected areas of kelp habitats.
- 9:50And fund research into carbon export and sequestration.
- 9:53This is something that's really important 'cause we don't
- 9:54have a lot of knowledge in it.
- 9:56And include seaweed ecosystems in climate and biodiversity planning.
- 10:00I can't stress enough how much biodiversity is in like a kelp forest.
- 10:05It is something that is huge, is a part of the ocean needs to be introduced and
- 10:10it needs to be shown how important it is.
- 10:12To be honest,
- 10:12doing this research was actually surprising that kelp hasn't been included
- 10:15in more of these policies or seaweed hasn't been included in more of these
- 10:18policies, I guess because of the way it gets dispersed across the ocean.
- 10:21But I'm glad we're seeing more progress to get it better.
- 10:24But as climate solutions become more urgent, overlooking powerful,
- 10:28natural allies like seaweed is a risk we can't just afford.
- 10:32The ocean is already doing the work, but only if we let it.
- 10:35So we have to understand how the seaweed works, how it is able to be dispersed,
- 10:40and what it could do for climate change for us in terms of carbon sequestration.
- 10:44If we want real climate solutions, we have to start paying attention
- 10:48to the ecosystems we have
- 10:49that we've been ignoring for a long time.
- 10:51This is something that we've done for a while.
- 10:54We need to fund more research in this, to understand this.
- 10:56The solutions might already be there.
- 10:58We just might not know that they're there, and we may not
- 11:00know how we can play a role.
- 11:02So that's it for today
- 11:03talking about seaweed and climate solutions and blue carbon.
- 11:06It's something that is very important to fighting climate
- 11:09change, reducing climate change.
- 11:11So I encourage you to follow, subscribe to this podcast.
- 11:15Make sure you support the podcast not only for seaweed, but for
- 11:18seagrasses that we're trying to do.
- 11:19Go over to speak up for blue.com/sea grass.
- 11:22We need to talk more about how these systems are so important for blue carbon
- 11:26and for doing something for climate change or to reduce climate change.
- 11:30And so going to speak up for blue.com/seagrass Supporting the
- 11:33Seagrass podcast as crowdfunded.
- 11:35I'm an independent podcaster.
- 11:37I wanna bring more information to you.
- 11:39I need your help, so go to speak up for blue.com/seagrass and hopefully my
- 11:43voice gets better when I start recording this podcast after it gets funded.
- 11:47I'm sure it will be.
- 11:48This is temporary.
- 11:49Might be for one other episode, but we'll be good in the long run.
- 11:52But I wanna thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of the
- 11:55How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.
- 11:57I'm your host, angel Lewin.
- 11:57Have a great day.
- 11:58We'll talk to you next time and happy conservation.