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Matt Hammitt: Lead Me, Bowen’s Miracle, and Fighting for Faith, Family, and Life :: Ep 3 GOA Speakers Podcast · The GOA Speakers Podcast

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Unknown: The geoa speakers podcast begins now.
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Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of the Goa
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speakers podcast. We're so glad you're here with us. I'm your
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host. Abigail Garrett, joined by my co host, Greg all
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Hey, it's good to be here today with we've got a great guest for
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you today, Matt Hammett, who is Grammy nominated singer
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songwriter, author and speaker. This is his book. Lead me and
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welcome Matt.
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It's good to be here. Thanks for taking time to do this. Yeah, of
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course. So excited.
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Well, we obviously are familiar with your story, but it never
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gets old. So I would love to hear from your perspective, just
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a little bit of your background of being in the music industry,
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and kind of how the Lord brought you to today, being still in the
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music industry, but speaking and yeah, I'd love to hear just that
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journey.
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Yeah, it's been, it's been exciting, because I've had an
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opportunity over the past. Wow, I guess I might want to age
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myself here, but 25 plus years of just being able to use, I
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guess, my creative gifts in a lot of ways that I did expect
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and in ways I didn't expect. And you know, when I was 16, I
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started the band Sanctus reel with my friends in high school,
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me Mark and Chris got together in Chris' parents basement and
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just started making a lot of noise. Thank God for parents who
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allowed drums in their basement and guitar amps and in 2019 just
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three years after we started, the band started getting some
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attention from Nashville. The first group of people who really
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started investing in us was a group called Audio adrenaline,
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which you might remember, and so Mark, their singer, is still
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very good friend of mine. So we like to reminisce about those
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days. They actually came to visit us in Toledo and tried to
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get us to sign with Flickr records, which we were very open
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to. But the Lord, throughout the course of that year or two, as
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we were starting to look at record labels, signed with
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Sparrow records, okay, and so from 2000 to 2016 we made six
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records of Sparrow. And as some of your listeners will know, had
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a lot of songs at Radio, toured the world as a band, and then in
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2016 is what for me, when I really knew that I had to make
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my family my first priority. Yeah, it was just I was so tired
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of missing birthdays and special occasions and being gone for
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weeks on end and having these little short breaks and trying
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to fit really the most important things into this tiny window of
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my life, yeah, and I think we were gone probably 200 days out
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of the year, or more, usually more actually, because, you
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know, you put it was like 150 to 200 tour dates. And then on top
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of that, making an album, writing an album, all the promo
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you guys know how it goes. You've got a travel day,
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musicians in your world travel days.
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And this was International. You
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said, Yeah, we would go up now, not a lot of international, but
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every year too, we would go and do some international things.
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And so it was so much. And I had four kids at home, yeah. And,
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you know, really a pivotal part of that for me was the story
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that's in my book lead me, which is titled after the song lead
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me. And you know, when I wrote that song and it came out in
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2010 it was really at a time when we were watching the dream
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that we had as a band really take off. You know, the song
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lead me was number one for three months at Radio, and we were
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starting to get all the all the things we dreamed of, from the
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sales and the radio to the tours. But at that same time in
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my life, my wife, Sarah and I were struggling because our son,
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Bowen, was diagnosed with congenital heart disease, only
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half of a heart during that season. And so we knew before he
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was born, and knew that once he was born, he would have to have
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multiple heart surgeries. And so it was really an odd time,
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because I had written this song that was number one about being
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a more present husband and father. I was probably going
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through the most trying portion of my life, in that regard, with
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what I really wanted to be as a leader for my family during that
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time, and even even through that was so torn by the band dream.
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So I'd written this song about being more present husband for.
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Father, and during the time of my life when I really felt the
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greatest need to be present, the success of that song was still
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taking me away from home more than ever, and took me a lot of
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years to really reconcile that family dream versus band dream.
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And that was really the tension of lead me. My desire in that
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song was to be the man and father and the husband that I'm
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called to be. And so the question became, how do I use my
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gifts in a way that honors God with the gifts he gave me, but
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also honors my family? And I took one big step toward that in
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2016 when I stepped away from Sanctus real Yeah, so that I
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could make those decisions with with my family's help, you know,
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make those decisions together, me and Sarah, to be able to talk
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to the things not to be dictated by this thing that we had grown
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that, and it was wonderful. So don't get me wrong, it was
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amazing. But in any business or anything that we build, there
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are seasons when it can get so big that it's like you can feel
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like you're Yeah, it's consuming and your schedule's handed to
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you, yeah? And this is what's required of you for this thing
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to survive, yeah. And I knew for me that I needed it to be
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something where Sarah and I made those decisions together. So I
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stepped away in 2016 and they brought in a new lead singer,
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and they're still out there crushing it, doing great things
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and making music, and still out there doing shows. And I've had
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the great opportunity to not only continue to do music on my
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own, but met some really instrumental people in my life,
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one of them being Greg Oliver, who kind of came around me as I
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started exploring not just writing music that could fit
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into a four minute song, but expanding that message into
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something that could reach deeper and reach further. And
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that's when we started working together on speaking dates, and
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have been building that over the past 10 years. And so it's been
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a really unexpected turn and my life and my creativity to be
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able to move not only just in music, but also in the speaking
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side of that and share my story with people in a more long form
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way that can be more personal and I think sometimes even more
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impactful.
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Yeah, I wanted to go back, if you, if you don't mind, tell us
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how you wrote the song lead me, and what went into that.
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Yeah, so how that came
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to be, yeah, 2008
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I believe was the year that I wrote the first draft of lead
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me. It was after a very long season of touring, and I came
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home worn out, needing a break. And not only, oh, I guess I
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wasn't the only one that needed a break. Sarah also needed a
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break. It's like I had long days and sleepless nights on the
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road. Sarah had long days and sleepless nights at home, and so
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we were just both exhausted, and I maybe knew it at the time, but
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wasn't aware of just how much I was struggling to be mentally
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and emotionally present at home. And Sarah said the words when I
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came home that I always say that every husband longs to hear we
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need to talk. I know it's like, yeah, you feel the weight of
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that just drop, and you're like, Okay. And we sat down and had a
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conversation that became a life defining conversation. Through
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tears, I really saw her, her brokenness, and what me being
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gone so much, but not just me being gone, the impact that it
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had had on me, and the stress that it had in our personal life
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when I was home, and how I was carrying that through the door,
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and how that had impacted her. And I think I really was able to
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have the grace to hear her heart Yeah, and to see how much she
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was hurting, what she needed for me. And after our conversation,
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as I was really soaking in her words, which two of those words
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that she said to me were I need you to lead me, it just hit me,
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in a way, and as a songwriter, I did. What songwriters do? You
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know, that night, I picked up my guitar and wrote the first draft
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of lead me, but I also knew, and I hesitate to say this because I
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think it's funny. Some people stare at me when I say this.
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They're like, Oh, wow. Like, like Sarah and I both laugh at
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this now, but I remember showing her the song. That day, I called
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her back in, and I was like, Hey, I wrote this song and
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thinking it's this beautiful expression of, I heard your
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heart, and so I sang it. And I think she said something along
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the lines of like,
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oh, so it's a song that you thought I wanted.
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Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow, yeah, it was like, Okay, we got a song now.
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Now what, you know, it's like, you can't just do the song and
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dance. I think it's a very literal example of, you know, we
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can sometimes think, Oh, we do the song, we do the dance, and
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it's great. Everything goes back to normal. But what we really
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needed was some kind of change, and that's where God worked on
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me to start speaking to me about what it really meant to be a
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leader in my home. And I think the one thing that I did put my
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book, and I often talk about, is that that day, I realized that
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my good intentions were worthless until they became
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action. Yeah, yeah, based on the reality of what it was that
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Sarah and my family really need, needed from me, and based on
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what God was calling me to be and to do and my greatest call.
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So that really started to lead me journey from there. The other
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crazy thing about that song is that not only did I write it
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with that heart of being more present? And then we talked
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about how the irony is that it took me away from home even
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more, but it also became the song where her words and my
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prayer sang back to me every night for six years. And it was
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also those words that really called me home, yeah, so
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probably kind
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of anchored you in that time, yeah, before you fully stepped
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away.
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Yeah, so I have a question. Did Sarah get? Did you give her co
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write on that song?
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You know what? Not on the song royalty, but we did have her
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write in the book, so we have her voice in here. And so, yeah,
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it's really, it's really neat to see in the book that not only do
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I get to tell my story, but then Sarah kind of steps in from time
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to time to give her perspective. And that was, that was a really
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fun idea that that we had had, and so glad that we did that,
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because I think that's really a neat part of the journey of this
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book. Yeah, yeah.
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What was the timing of when Bowen was born, and this song,
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yeah, can't remember exactly.
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So while lead me was number one at Christian radio, I was in the
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hospital with Sarah and Bowen after he was born. So he was
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born on September 9, 2010 and within five days of his birth,
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he had to have his first open heart surgery. So for us, we're
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like, going, okay, great. Like we had this number one song on
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the radio. It was our first number one on, you know, the top
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40 main Christian chart, the AC chart, and which is the one you
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always want to see, you know, your song, they had all these
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little charts back then, and we'd have plenty number ones on
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all these, like Rock chart or CHR, you know, as we call it,
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christianate radio and but Adult Contemporary, it was like,
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that's the main chart. Was the number one. So we've been going
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for and so during that time, that should have been a big
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celebration for all of us. You know, the song was nominated for
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a Grammy during that time, and so it was one of those things
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where it was like, Man, I just really thought that it would be
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a time of just pure celebration for us, but I was caught
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wondering if my son was even going to live. And so that was a
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very hard especially six months, because we were in the hospital
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for four out of the first six months of his life, and two of
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his three surgeries were in that time. And you know, when I when
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I speak, I share the story of how we thought we lost him at
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one point, and we just day, day by day. Didn't know it was going
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to happen during that season. So it was very there was a
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dichotomy there of the two things happening that were very
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exciting in my my professional career and band career. And
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things are very difficult on the home front.
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Yeah, yeah, I can. My story is not quite as dramatic as maybe
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that, but my son had something called cranial senatosis, and
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it's basically where his kind of head grows like a football, and
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they had to go in and cut and you know, when you hand your 18
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month old or your newborn or whatever to a doctor, and you're
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just trusting that they know what they're doing, and that you
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had just have to trust the Lord in that. And that's I feel for
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you on that for sure.
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I think one of the things I least expected, or I guess I
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never even thought about, was not just what we were going to
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go through, but. Once we got in the hospital, we became close
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with other families who were in the hospital with us, going
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through similar things. And we had several families during that
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time that left the hospital empty handed. You know, you'd
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see them walking out with stroller or, you know, a bag of
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clothes or and it just, I didn't know the pain we would also feel
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kind of peripheral, peripherally, just being in
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proximity to these families and loving them so much, and they're
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losing kids. So it's like you're dealing with what your own child
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is going through, and then you're living kind of these
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stories with all these other people as well. And when you
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see, you know, multiple kids who don't make it again, it like,
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just presses on you, you know. And, yeah, it's, it's wild. So,
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yeah, I hear a story like yours too. And it's like, man, just
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think of all the people too that were walking without both of us
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through those things, you know, and experiencing that pain with
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us. It's, feels like it's its own kind of battle zone.
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Yeah. Tell us more about Bowen and how he's doing now and the
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other surgeries he's had to have his had multiple surgeries,
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right?
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Yeah. So he had his first two surgeries in that six months,
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and then we waited till he was almost nine years old to have
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his third surgery, and that was probably the most difficult,
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because he was such an ingrained part of our family. When you
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have a brand new baby, you love that baby so much, but you don't
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know them yet, you know. So you're kind of like you're just
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getting to know this child. And although your love is
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unconditional, it's like, how much more does that love grow
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over the eight years, and now this child's like sibling to his
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brothers and sisters, and he's a big brother now, and you know,
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it's so it was really difficult for the whole family to walk
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through that at that point, just emotionally. But the third
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surgery went fantastic. It technically completed. What was
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his three surgery repair for this season of his life. We
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don't know for sure if that's the last surgery he has to have.
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Forever. There's possibilities that he could at some point,
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need other surgeries or maybe even a heart transplant. But
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right now, he's 15 years old, and he's doing incredible. He
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has really been thriving. He's actually not on any medication.
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Wow. And it's, it is a huge blessing. We do not take it for
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granted. You know, every day we meet people whose stories don't
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turn out that way. And so not not one day are we not thankful
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for what we have and grateful because we know, you know,
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tomorrow could be another story we only get today.
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So and around that whole story of Bowen and the things that you
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guys have walked through as you've kind of made a little bit
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of a transition to doing a lot more speaking in the pro life
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world and for different nonprofits and that sort of
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thing, you've been able to share this story, right?
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Yeah, yeah, that's been a really amazing part of what I get to
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do. I love being a champion and an advocate for life. You know,
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with what we went through with boa and one of the things that
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we faced was during the pregnancy, Sarah's pregnancy
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with him, we were very much pressured by some specialists to
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end Bowen's life, and that was something that we weren't
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expecting at that time. We thought, we're going to these
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doctors for them to help us save bones life. And when they said,
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Hey, we should end it, that was the right thing to do, or the
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loving thing to do, even at moments, got kind of edgy with
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us, and Sarah saying, Hey, this is gonna ruin your family,
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telling us, actually, that there were a lot of other things wrong
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with Bowen that ended up not being wrong with him. And so you
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know, for us, we believe that every life is a precious gift
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from God, and that wasn't an option for us, and so we fought
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for him. And so now it's really a joy of my life to be able to
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help fight for other children and other mothers and fathers
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who are in situations where they feel hopeless or helpless or
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scared. One of the things that I love about working with
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pregnancy resource centers is that they see a legacy where
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other people see uncertainty, they see a future, you know, and
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they find ways to love that reality of what they see into
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the people that walk through their doors to give them hope.
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And I just love getting to go to these centers not only tell my
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story, but champion them in front of. Donors and the people
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that are there to support them, to be able to honor them and
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just celebrate the work that they do every single day. That's
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not easy, but it's awesome, because you get to often see the
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mothers and the babies and the fathers, and you get to actually
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see these little kids with names. They're little, these
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beautiful people that have been brought into the world because
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of the work that these centers have done, and so that's been
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something that I've just
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it's meant so much to me to do it. Yeah,
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yeah. It's great. Yeah. One of my favorite things about you and
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your ministries, I feel like it's so comprehensive, because
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it's so, you know, it's hard when there's these women who
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are, you know, maybe single moms, or they don't have family
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around them, and you know, the world can tell them like, well,
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it's merciful to just not even try, you know, like, don't even
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get past this pregnancy. So I love that your ability to reach
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people with your message is like a comprehensive view of the
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Lord's design for family, because it's so easy to, like,
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hone in on just just the baby, or just the mom or and I love
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that. I feel like the Lord's used your life to say, like, all
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of it matters, like the dad matters so much, the mom matters
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so much, the baby matters so much. And and even helping you
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have, like, practical applications of how you can show
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up for your wife and show up for your kids, and I think that is
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like so needed, especially in the pregnancy center world of
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like, Okay, what does this look like once the baby's here? And
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how can we follow the Lord's will in a hard situation? So
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I've just always really appreciated that about you in
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the way the Lord has given, like you said, gave you grace to hear
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what Sarah needed, and it's just so clear that he was speaking to
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you and helping you navigate all that. So just wanted to say,
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that's that I think that's so wonderful that you're able to
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reach like every demographic of the of the pro
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life world. Yeah. Well, thanks. Well, what I will say, one of
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the cool things I've gotten to do over the past couple years is
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I was able to actually build a short curriculum and video
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series for fathers in those situations too, you know, to be
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able to give practical steps of how to love their kids, love
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their family, and it's called dare to be a dad. Yeah, did it
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in partnership with Save the storks, and been cool to see
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different centers and even some rescue missions. Adapt that
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booklet, adapt that video series, and actually use it to
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take men through it, yeah, just to give them practical ways to
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love their family
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more. And where can we find that? Is it on your website?
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Yeah.
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So if you if you can make people can just look up dare to be a
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dad, they can actually go on the Save the storks website as well.
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It's on there, and if they can just type up save the storks
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dare to be a dad, and they can get the booklet and the videos
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for free.
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Okay, wow. Yeah, very cool.
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Well, speaking of like, practical takeaways, I'm curious
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now, in this season of life that you're in, I know your kids, how
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old are your kids now,
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by the way? Okay, so my oldest turns 20 this month. My Emmy
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Claire is 17. Bowen 15, and his little brother, Lewis is 13 now,
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so for another week or two, we have all teenagers.
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That's cool. Let me turn is 20, yeah.
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Well, I was curious what that looks like, because obviously
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your family naturally evolves as your kids get older and, you
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know, you learn to eventually, you know, be a parent to adult
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children. So I'm sure that will be a whole new phase for you.
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But I'm curious right now what it looks like for you to still
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be, you know, you're still doing your solo work, and still,
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obviously have kids under your roof. So practically, how has
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the Lord kind of shown you how to navigate those different
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parts of yourself, perhaps differently when you were a
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little younger, like now that you know what you know you've
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written, lead me, what does that look like for you?
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Yeah, it's, it's doing a lot of just intentional work, yeah, to
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really, I mean the original heart of that, or, I guess the
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original conversation we talked about, about presence and
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intentionality, yeah, and action. I think that, you know,
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I've grown into that season in my life. Obviously, I don't
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always get it right, but we're a much more intentional about the
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time that I spend at home with the kids, with Sarah, making
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sure that we're prioritizing deep and sometimes hard
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conversation conversations with each other. And you know, one of
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the things that I've actually really loved over the past
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couple years is that I've gotten even more intentional about
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carving out trips where I take my kids with me. And so, yeah,
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sometimes, if I'm speaking in a city that is a major city,
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wherever it is. That maybe I've enjoyed in the past when I was
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touring maybe Seattle or Dallas, or wherever it might be, you
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know, or northeast. I'll plan a couple days around it to take
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the kids and we'll go out to the ocean, and we'll spend a couple
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days doing some fun things. I took a Amtrak train ride with
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Claire between cities, you know, along the ocean last year, and
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so just being very intentional about those moments, not only
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that I'm home, but also being intentional about the moments
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that I'm away, how I can include the family, yeah, make special
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trips even when I'm out, a big part of it is being in constant
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contact this like text of like, hey, love you guys. Thinking
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about you guys. How's everybody doing the other family texts and
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just staying in touch with their heart and Sarah's heart and
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making sure that I'm present in that way. That's that's become a
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really, really important part of our lives.
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Yeah, well, that makes me think of your recent single, forgive
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me, I It's days God gave Right, yeah. So I feel like that
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encapsulates to some of what you're talking about. And I know
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you gave people the opportunity to submit videos, right? Yeah.
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And I love that. It's like all families like, because I think
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your prompt was fairly open ended, of just like special
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moments. But it feels like the Lord has like thread all along
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that, like family really is so important and so, like, just the
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pinnacle, I think, of what he cares about. So if you want to
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talk about that song, or again, where it can be found, and
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absolutely, yeah, so days God gave Yeah, it is a song about
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how fast life passes us by and holding on to the moments that
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God has given us right here, right now. It's about the beauty
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of getting to the end of your life and looking back on all
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those pictures and videos and looking at those people and
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having it be a testimony of you know, I live my life investing
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in the things that mattered, yeah, and so just leaving a
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godly legacy. And so that song just started over the past few
27:05
months, really resonating with people. And the really cool
27:10
thing is that I put out my video of that song with my family and
27:16
special pictures from over the course of our lives, from when
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the kids were young, and then we started seeing 1000s of people
27:22
online using it for reels for, like, their special moments of
27:27
life with their family and things that meant something to
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them, that you know, that they were posting. And I was like,
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wow, this is so cool that, like, all these people are using this
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for reels now. And yeah, then, as you mentioned, got online and
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ask people to send me videos. And I got some incredible
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moments I barely could fit all Yeah, it was like I was having
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to do like, like, you know, like they're going so fast. But we
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had some really special moments, one of the moments that some
27:58
people from Ohio that now live in Tennessee, that that we have
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known over the years, sent us the video of them finding out
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they were pregnant after 13 years of infertility. And so
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just these moments of life that are just amazing. It's like,
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this is what it's all about, you know? And yeah, so it was fun to
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make some reels to those moments that people have posted, or the
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ones that they sent me to post. So yeah, but Dave's got gave
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actually goes to radio this well, I don't know when this
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will air, but it will be going to radio here in the over the
28:34
course of this month, and we'll see. You know, how many stations
28:37
get on, but I'm hoping that people really gravitate towards
28:40
the song and catch on to it, and hope that more people get to
28:43
hear it, but people can listen to it wherever they stream music
28:46
and the videos on my YouTube channel that I made, or if they
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want to go to my Instagram, which is just Matt Hammett, they
28:53
can find not only clips of my video there, but also some of
28:58
the stuff that I posted that other people have shared.
29:01
And Matt, you recently signed with goatee records as a
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songwriter and artist, right? Tell us more about when did that
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happen? Yeah, so
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I signed on with go go t as an artist, and then they have their
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EMAC publishing summer writer for them as well. And we've
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signed probably like maybe a year ago now, okay? And I've
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been doing some things independently for a lot of
29:25
years, and just felt like the right fit at the right time. So
29:28
it's been neat to be able to have a label partner for the
29:32
songs that I put out, so that I'm not having to just promote
29:35
things on my own right now and then on the writing side, it's
29:38
been really an amazing journey just getting back in the writing
29:43
room again, more with other artists. I got to write a song
29:47
recently called testimony that is doing really well at Radio
29:50
right now with Terry, and there's going to be a very, very
29:55
special feature on that song collaboration version coming out
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that I'm out of. Allowed to reveal yet, but it's pretty
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amazing. People should, people should check out testimony. That
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is a song that I was very, very blessed to be a part of, writing
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with her, and then some other songs coming out here, I think,
30:14
in the next year, from other artists that I've been able to
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be a part of. And that's really, for me, one of the most exciting
30:23
things creatively for me to be able to do is not just make my
30:27
own music or write my own book or speak about my own story, but
30:30
help other people tell important stories other artists help them
30:35
use their voice to find songs and perform songs that make a
30:39
difference in the world.
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Yeah, yeah. It's great. That's awesome. That's so cool. Like,
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the way, again, just the way the Lord has given you the ability
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to use so many of your giftings in so many different ways. I
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feel like that's everyone's hope, you know, like when you
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especially if you feel tugged in multiple directions. So I love
30:59
that there's, like, a way that that's been woven together.
31:02
Well, it's been so great to sit with you, and we just appreciate
31:07
your time. Is there anything else on the horizon, or anything
31:10
else before we go, that you want to share with us or that you
31:15
want people to take away, of just Yeah, who you are, and
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yeah.
31:20
I mean, you know, I will say I love the opportunity to partner
31:25
with ministries and to be able to come and just hopefully add
31:32
real value, you know, not just through sharing my story, but
31:37
also just being able to speak into the things that matter to
31:43
them and the people that support those ministries. So there's
31:46
anybody out there that's looking for someone to come partner with
31:49
them for an event, I would, I would love to be able to speak
31:51
at their event. So obviously they know they can contact you
31:54
guys. But beyond that, this year, I'm excited to have, yeah,
32:00
some more music out. And then there is something that's pretty
32:03
cool. I've been talking with, you know, my band, Sanctus, real
32:07
it's 30 years this year since we started the band. Oh, no way.
32:10
And so we wrote a song recently together with me and their new
32:16
singer. And so there's a rumor out there that we're gonna
32:20
release a song with both the singers. You know, I don't know
32:22
if I'm supposed to be able to, like, say that or not, but I
32:25
don't care. Cats out of the bag gets out of the bag. So fun.
32:30
Yeah, no, I think they've dropped a few little little
32:32
hints there about that on social media already, but so it'll be
32:36
fun to do another song with them and and there'll be a couple
32:39
events here and there that for sure, at least one in Toledo.
32:43
I'll tell you that much where we're from. So we get to sing
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together again.
32:46
So is that I said the band the same besides? Okay, so
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two of the guys, so three of us started the band together, and
32:55
two of those guys are still in it, Chris and mark, so two of
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the original three still are out there going after it.
33:02
Well, it sounds like, yeah, there's a lot, a lot on the
33:05
horizon for people to keep up with.
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Yeah, earlier you said that you started the band when you were
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16, I don't think I knew that.
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I didn't know that's I was not doing stuff that successful when
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I
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Yeah, it's crazy. It's been 30 years, so that's
33:20
crazy, yeah.
33:23
Well, I love the subtitle on your book, finding courage to
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fight for your marriage, your children and your faith. And if
33:34
any of you guys out there want Matt to come in to whether it's
33:38
a men's conference, he does a lot of men's conferences,
33:41
whether it's a pro life event or leading worship for some event,
33:47
he kind of can do it all. So give us a call if you if you
33:51
want to book Matt,
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yeah, thank you again. Absolutely. Well, guys, this has
33:58
been another episode of the Goa speakers podcast. Thanks for
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joining us. We'll see you next time you
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