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The Dexter Killer · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, lovely people.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nicole.
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  Speaker 3: I know I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim, a.
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  Speaker 2: True crime podcast morning. The following podcast material audience.
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  Speaker 1: Listeners, Hey, hey, hey, what's up? How exciting?
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  Speaker 2: Hello? Happy spring?
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  Speaker 3: Yes it's oh my god, the snow's melting. Thank god.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like first day of spring doesn't mean much
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  Speaker 2: for people that live a little bit up north because
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  Speaker 2: we're not quite there.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean I only really, like personally, only really
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  Speaker 3: recognize spring when I see the first Robin's that's the
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  Speaker 3: start of spring for me.
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  Speaker 2: And generally the snow is off the ground when.
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  Speaker 3: They're out right, yeah, usually because they're on your front
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  Speaker 2: a half.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah about that. Yeah, so we got a waste to go.
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  Speaker 2: So you people that are listening that don't have any snow.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, I want to say a lot of bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll just leave it at that. I don't have
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  Speaker 2: anything nice to say.
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  Speaker 2: So jealous. But I was even going to say even
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  Speaker 2: like downtown though, because we live I don't know where
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  Speaker 2: in our city, Prince George, we live in the Heart
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  Speaker 2: and like downtown has wait is almost done with their
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  Speaker 2: snowe oh yeah, well.
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  Speaker 3: Because the Heart, like it's the northern part of the city,
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  Speaker 3: and we have like way more elevation, so we generally
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  Speaker 3: are like two weeks behind downtowns Yeah, so it's just
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  Speaker 3: that much more winter and we get that much more
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  Speaker 3: snow at the beginning of the year because it snows
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  Speaker 3: first like two three weeks before Downtown.
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  Speaker 2: It's just but it's dope living up here.
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  Speaker 3: It is. It's cool. Okay, what we're gonna say, I
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  Speaker 3: was gonna to say that it's we're still a ways
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  Speaker 3: off from this launching, but I started working on our
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  Speaker 3: website the other day. Guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we've got the domain name, we've got everything
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  Speaker 3: set up. It's just a matter of getting the website
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  Speaker 3: built and out there so we can you know, launch
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  Speaker 3: had episodes out there, a little bit about us, or
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  Speaker 3: if we're going to be doing any giveaways or announcements,
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  Speaker 3: it can all be there. And of course our Instagram too.
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  Speaker 2: Did you get I don't even know what domain name you.
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  Speaker 3: Got, wicked ingram dot com Okay, sweet, Yeah, I just
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  Speaker 3: got to figure out how to link the website in
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  Speaker 3: that domain. But yeah, I got it.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, look at us.
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  Speaker 3: Go, we're hitting the big time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're being productive here, productivity.
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  Speaker 3: You have a website that means you made it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, totally actually, And it's cool speaking of
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  Speaker 2: website because my my case has a bit to do
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  Speaker 2: with the internet. So look at that.
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  Speaker 3: Look at your sage boom, let's hear it. That was
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  Speaker 3: so your How does your case have to do with
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  Speaker 3: the inner webs?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's the Dexter Killer, you.
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  Speaker 3: See, like mimicking the show or what?
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  Speaker 2: Well, just you wait, I'm going to dive in here.
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  Speaker 2: The event took place in Edmond and Alberta and is
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  Speaker 2: the tale of two men each trying to reinvent themselves,
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  Speaker 2: crossing paths on the Internet with the most horrifying of results.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: The murder in this case is Mark Twitchell. Twitchell, I
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  Speaker 2: think that's how you say his last name. He's a
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  Speaker 2: twenty nine year old man, or he was twenty nine
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  Speaker 2: at the time of the murder, obsessed with comic books,
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  Speaker 2: star wars, making low budget movies, and Dexter.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so are you describing me so far?
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  Speaker 2: I know, right? Okay, because he's actually was. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: even put that in there, but he was into like
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  Speaker 2: cosplay too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're literally describing me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Are You're not into making low budget movies? Oh
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm literally exporting a documentary on my laptop as
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  Speaker 3: we're speaking.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Oh gosh, well this is
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  Speaker 2: definitely not you. So he's a film school graduate with
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  Speaker 2: a small following among sci fi fans when he directed
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  Speaker 2: a fan film prequel prequel for the Star Wars franchise,
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  Speaker 2: with a short cameo from Jeremy Bullock. Oh way, you
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  Speaker 2: know who that is? Oh? I do? Who is it?
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  Speaker 3: Bubba Fett?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? I had that in brackets because I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to remember who that is. He's since passed,
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  Speaker 2: I think, right, Jeremy Bullock, I felt like it. That's
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  Speaker 2: what she said.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't If he did pass it was just
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  Speaker 3: just this year. I'm trying to think now I got
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  Speaker 3: a Google.
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  Speaker 2: Is Okay, I don't know. Hopefully hopefully he is. And
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  Speaker 2: I didn't just pretend like he was, but I, like.
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  Speaker 3: I said, if he passed away, it was this year,
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  Speaker 3: and there's so much shit going on this past twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he's did he pass away?
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  Speaker 2: We're searching it, we're researching it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah he did.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so Icember seventeenth, twenty Okay, so that's.
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  Speaker 1: Not even that long ago.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Well back to Mark. Mark was married with an
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  Speaker 2: infant daughter and living in a ooh, living in his
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  Speaker 2: small home in the suburbs of Edmonton.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so this isn't too far from us.
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  Speaker 2: No, So I'm using a tablet just to let people know.
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  Speaker 2: And it just like automatically zoomed in and I had
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  Speaker 2: to zoom out, and so yeah, smooth. I know Ben's
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  Speaker 2: making me try to be all like it worked.
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  Speaker 3: For me last time. It was awesome, and I just
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  Speaker 3: I recommend it. Tablet's dope.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Mark was accused of getting his inspiration from the
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  Speaker 2: TV show Dexter. I love me some Dexter.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so he is kind of a copycat killer.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of thing. Yeah, so Dexter Morgan, for anyone out
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  Speaker 2: there that doesn't know, is the main character. Well, the
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  Speaker 2: show's on Netflix. He very much so lives a double life.
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  Speaker 2: He works as a forensic technician, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: blood stained pattern analysis.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did like blood splatter patterns and all that
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  Speaker 3: sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the Miami Metro Police Department by day, but
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  Speaker 2: by night he was off being a serial killer killing
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  Speaker 2: other murderers.
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  Speaker 3: It's a dope show.
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  Speaker 2: It's eight seasons, so it's like a bit of a commitment.
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  Speaker 2: But I am like literally obsessed with Dexter. I should
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  Speaker 2: watch it again. It's surprisingly I've only watched it one.
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  Speaker 3: We should watch it again.
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  Speaker 2: It's so good. So though he may have got some
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  Speaker 2: inspiration room Dexter, in my opinion, he was no Dexter Morgan,
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  Speaker 2: not at all.
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  Speaker 3: No, not even close. He wishes, he wishes. He's just
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  Speaker 3: some weenie out in Edmonton.
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  Speaker 2: In September of two thousand and eight, Mark decided to
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  Speaker 2: take his filmmaking a different direction and began buying items
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  Speaker 2: off the internet. The items that he purchased were such
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  Speaker 2: as a meat cleaver, handcuffs, steel barrel, stun baton. He
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  Speaker 2: made visits to Canadian Tire and Home Deeple to buy
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  Speaker 2: numerous rolls of duct tape, plastic gloves, gloves and drop cloths,
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  Speaker 2: and he rented a garage for one hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 2: a month in a quiet neighborhood in Edmonton's suicide.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a very big list concerning a lot
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  Speaker 3: of very dark, concerning items. However, if you're just into
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  Speaker 3: BDSM and you have a safe word, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: not that bad.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, just.
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  Speaker 3: Say pineapple and you're good, right, pineapple is the safe word.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. In late September, he shot a short crime film
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  Speaker 2: film called House of Cards. Instead rented garage with some
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  Speaker 2: filmmaking buddies. Okay, so the script that he wrote was
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  Speaker 2: about a killer who lures a cheating man off an
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  Speaker 2: online dating website, tortures him to reveal his pass codes,
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  Speaker 2: and then hacks him into little bits.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, so the book? Did they actually hack
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  Speaker 3: someone into little bits? Was it like a real thing? Though?
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  Speaker 2: Can you just wait for me to like.
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting a little head on't I? Okay? I think
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  Speaker 3: I think I might have just had a little prediction.
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  Speaker 2: The buddies helped Mark with special effects, sets and props.
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  Speaker 2: Mark had asked them to make a sturdy wood table
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  Speaker 2: with a metal finish and a metal chair that could
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  Speaker 2: be bolted to the floor of the garage. If only
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  Speaker 2: that was all the equipment and rented garage were used for,
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  Speaker 2: but that would not be very exciting podcast if that
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  Speaker 2: was all it was used for.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: On October third, two thousand and eight, Mark decided to
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  Speaker 2: turn the script into a reality. He poses a woman
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  Speaker 2: named Sheena on an internet dating site and successfully lured
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  Speaker 2: a man to his garage. This man was named Jill's. Yeah, Jill's.
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  Speaker 2: I can't pronounce his last name.
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  Speaker 3: Names suck sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: Are really hard tech, wrote, I think it is. But
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  Speaker 2: where we're going to refer to him as Jills Jills.
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  Speaker 2: He followed some So Jill's followed some crazy ass directions
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  Speaker 2: that were provided by Shina, which I'm going to read
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  Speaker 2: them to you because, like, I don't know, maybe I'm
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  Speaker 2: just different, but I would never have been like.
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  Speaker 3: I'd have been like a mout Kibetshena is the alias
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  Speaker 3: for this killing.
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  Speaker 2: Shina is actually Mark Okay, Yeah, good old Mark Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So here are the directions. They're a little bit long,
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  Speaker 2: so you just have to listen. If you're coming from
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  Speaker 2: the north on Groat, get on Calgary Trail when you
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  Speaker 2: get to the south side, stop dropping things all right
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  Speaker 2: when you get to the south side and jump on
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  Speaker 2: white met white mud. Then go south on fiftieth Street,
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  Speaker 2: take it right on fortieth AB and after a block
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  Speaker 2: or two, take the very first right into the alley.
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  Speaker 2: It's marked by a yellow crosswalk sign, so pay attention.
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  Speaker 2: Then go left, pull into the only driveway on the
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  Speaker 2: left that isn't paved. Lol. Seriously, whoever heard of a
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  Speaker 2: driveway that looks like the Amazon? Whatever? It won't swallow
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  Speaker 2: your car. I promise there's some garbage up against the fence,
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  Speaker 2: like an old couch and such, but it might be
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  Speaker 2: gone by Friday. Who knows. Like I said, the groa
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  Speaker 2: will be open for you just to touch. Don't worry
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  Speaker 2: about neighbors thinking you're a burglar. Everyone knows there's nothing
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  Speaker 2: valuable in there except my car, of course.
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  Speaker 3: See you then, Ghina, what whatever happened to an address?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: What's up? I live on one two eight Fake Streets?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't want to give, like Mark didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to give the address. But I'm just like, if someone's
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  Speaker 2: directing me to like a sketch garage with like apparently
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  Speaker 2: a driveway that's like the Amazon, with like an old
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  Speaker 2: couch and garbage and shit like that, and it's just
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  Speaker 2: gonna be open to crack, Like there's no freaking way.
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  Speaker 3: Although, like there's a lot of people out there who
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  Speaker 3: do a lot of weird shit just for some tail
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  Speaker 3: on Tinder and stuff. So this guy's thinking I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: get laid. He's probably gonna follow these directions.
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  Speaker 2: Well maybe that's a doe thing, but just like there
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  Speaker 2: is just like no way, like no way. So when
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  Speaker 2: Jill's arrives, he bends down under the partially raised door
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  Speaker 2: as directed and enters the darkened garage, Like, oh my gosh,
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: is there not such things as like true crime podcasts
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  Speaker 2: and like true crime back then?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently not, because like there's oh.
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  Speaker 3: Again, he just he was just confident he's gonna get
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  Speaker 3: some tail.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. There's no reason for this.
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  Speaker 3: No, there's no excuse. Don't go into shady garages people.
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  Speaker 2: It's yeah, okay, I mean I might not get asked,
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  Speaker 2: get showed if the garage door was like open the
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  Speaker 2: whole way. I don't know why that would make it
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  Speaker 2: seem better. But if I'm having to bend under a
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  Speaker 2: partially open garage door, that's yeah, no, okay, I'm moving on.
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  Speaker 2: I'm moving on. Basically. As soon as he entered, he
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  Speaker 2: felt someone grab him from behind, obviously, and start prodding
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  Speaker 2: him with the stun baton. When he turned around to
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  Speaker 2: face his attacker, he faced a man Mark wearing a
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  Speaker 2: hockey mask and realized this was no date. Mark took
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  Speaker 2: out a gun and ordered Jill's to the ground, placing
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  Speaker 2: duct tape on his eyes. Jill's on the ground decided
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  Speaker 2: he's not going to die, or if he's going to die,
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  Speaker 2: he'd rather go out his own way. Yeah, fair enough,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, good for you, men, let's do this. He
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  Speaker 2: got up, ripped the tape from his eyes, grabbed Mark's gun,
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  Speaker 2: only to discover that it was just a plastic gun.
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  Speaker 2: It was a violent struggle, but Jill's was able to
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  Speaker 2: get out of the garage, collapsing into the back alley.
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  Speaker 2: He actually collapsed in front of a couple who was
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  Speaker 2: out walking and asked them for help, but the couple walking,
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  Speaker 2: so the couple walked away, fearing that he was part
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  Speaker 2: of the ploy to actually get them.
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  Speaker 3: Oh what.
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  Speaker 2: They did later report the incident to the police, but
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  Speaker 2: not until they got home. However, Jill's was still able
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  Speaker 2: to get away, and this is the real kicker though,
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  Speaker 2: is Jills did not report this to the police. What
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  Speaker 2: because he was embarrassed, And I was like, oh no, oh, no,
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: oh no, Okay, besides just being embarrassed, I think he
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  Speaker 2: was also like scared because he wasn't or if it
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: was a I don't know the word, but like a
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  Speaker 2: planned attack for him, and then if this guy would
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  Speaker 2: like keep looking for him or whatever. But yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't report this.
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  Speaker 3: That's fucked up. Okay, if something happens to you and
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  Speaker 3: you have the ability to potentially stop it happen happening
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  Speaker 3: to someone else, fucking take that leap and make sure
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: you don't help this killer hurt someone else or this
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: person assault anyone else.
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  Speaker 2: Because okay, and I was gonna say targeted attack. Even
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: if it was a targeted attack on him, like you
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  Speaker 2: should still get the police involved, Like either way.
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  Speaker 3: They need to be involved, no kidding, either he's going
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: to keep attacking you or someone else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I know I didn't. I just didn't love that.
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  Speaker 2: That really frustrated me.
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  Speaker 3: It should never be embarrassing for the victim because it's
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: never the victim's fault. It's it's you can hold like
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: even the whole like me too, movement and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: There's people out there being all like, oh, well you
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  Speaker 3: were dressed in slutty clothing. Blah, Well you shouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: worrying that you were asking for that. Fuck that. It's
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: not the victim's fault, and.
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  Speaker 2: No it isn't. It isn't. I mean he was going
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: there expecting to just have a day trade.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So after about a week on October tenth, Mark does
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  Speaker 2: it again. Of course, he successively lures a second man
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  Speaker 2: to the garage, and this time the victim did not
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: get away. Oh fuck, I know. His name was John
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  Speaker 2: Brian Atlinger. He went by Johnny, so I'm gonna be
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: calling him Johnny. He was a thirty eight year old male,
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  Speaker 2: tall with wispy hair and glasses. He had a warm
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  Speaker 2: grin and gentle eyes. His friends and family would describe
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  Speaker 2: him as quiet, affectionate, and a giving man. His life
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  Speaker 2: had its ups and downs, but he seemed to have
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  Speaker 2: found a good path or good place. But in two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and eight, he owned a tidy bachelor pad which
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: was a short distance to where he worked night shift
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: as an oil field equipment manufacturer, sorry at an oil
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: field equipment manufacturing.
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  Speaker 3: Business typical for Albert.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Johnny had many interests, but computers in the
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: online world was definitely one of them. The Internet gave
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Johnny away to meet people, and he ended up making
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  Speaker 2: some really good friends all right on.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the internet has opened the world for possibilities,
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  Speaker 3: for connections all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 3: I've made really good friends on the internet, So.
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  Speaker 1: I know, weird there.
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  Speaker 2: It's ansom to be so careful too, Like I'm like
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  Speaker 2: a cautious person, So I don't know. I mean, grant you,
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  Speaker 2: I guess over Instagram and stuff I've made. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: can acquaintances and stuff. So that's pretty much the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Or with your photography, people are booking you lots
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  Speaker 3: that way. Yeah, just over the internet.
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  Speaker 2: Then you show up with the shoot. Okay, if I
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: ever show up a shoot and I have to go
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: under a partially open garage door, it's not happening, people.
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  Speaker 3: No, stay out of the garage. Yeah, just come up.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna do a boudoir session in the garage. Just
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: crawl under the darkened door that is half broken and
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: only a foot like off the ground. Yeah, crawl under there.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way on October tenth, Johnny thought he was
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  Speaker 2: going to connect with someone new. At this point, he
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  Speaker 2: was seriously looking for a woman to spend the rest
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  Speaker 2: of his life with. However, the woman he thought was
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  Speaker 2: named Jen was in fact not a woman at all,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: but Mark.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, of course Mark's an asshole.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I don't like Mark. We don't like him. Mark,
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  Speaker 2: who must have learned from his experience with Jill, was
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: able to fulfill his fantasy to turn his House of
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Cards script into a reality. Thankfully, Johnny had informed his
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: friends of his plans that evening, because following his disappearance,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: they were crucial in speeding the case so long. So
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: that's a good point. I'm going to dive into that
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: a bit more. So that's some good news. It was
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: the Friday before Thanksgiving and Johnny had called his friend
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Dale Smith to say he'd met a woman or woman
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: through an Internet dating site, but the woman refused to
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: provide Johnny with an address, rather gave him directions to
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: a back alley garage. Dale obviously thought these directions were
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: sketch af and he told Johnny to give him a
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: call when he got there and to give him the
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: address before he went into the place. Dale, having known
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Johnny since Alelementary School and spoke to him almost daily,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: said that he was that his good natured friend sounded
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: lighthearted on the phone. That night. He told him the
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: woman wasn't there at the garage, but instead he met
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: a man. Johnny said it was an odd encounter. The
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: woman or the man in the garage said he was
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: making a movie and showed him a replica handgun. Dale
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: figured the date was over and that his friend would
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: go home.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: M hmm.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: But less than an hour and a half later, Dale
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: received an email from Johnny saying she's so now I'm
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: heading over again. Dale thinks that was the last time
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: he had ant real contact with Johnny.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, I see where this is going, do you? I
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: think I do. Anyways, there's gonna be like some emails
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: or contact back and forth where he's actually talking to
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Mark clearly.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which I actually think that Dexter might have
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: done that in the shows.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's been so long.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: We got to watch it again. So Dale tried to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: reach Johnny throughout the weekend, as they did have plans
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: to meet up on Sunday, but he heard nothing from
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: his friend. He finally received an email from him on Monday,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: along with some other friends, saying, I've met an extraordinary
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: woman named Jen who has offered to take me on
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: a nice long tropical vacation. Will be staying in her
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: winter home in Costa Rica. Phone number to follow, see
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you around the holidays.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Johnny, Wow, that's slightly suspicious.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Like a super random email.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Hey yeah, Right after He's contacted his friend saying yeah,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: that data was supposed to go on, yet it turned
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: out to be a dude in a shady garage with
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: a replica handgun.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, this email didn't sound right to Johnny's friends. He
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: apparently hated the heat and never signed off his emails
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: with his name, but rather with a joke. I think
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: that's so fun. I want to start signing my emails
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: off with a joke.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Just dad jokes all the time, Growing more.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And more concerned by the day. The following Friday, so
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: October seventeenth, Dale and a few of the of his
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: other friends drove to Johnny's apartment and broke in through
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: a window. What they found there was Johnny's passport, luggage,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: and an apartment that did not look like the resident
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: just took off for an extended tropical vacation figures right, Yeah, exactly. Apparently.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: An email also went to Johnny's boss with a resignation
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: letter saying he had found a new path. The boss
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: asked where to send his last check, but never heard
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: anything back, and it was like, I didn't have this
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: in the notes, but it was reported that he was
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: owed like fifteen hundred bucks. So I'm dang pretty sure
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: you'd be oled fifteen hundred bucks. You're going to answer
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: that email?
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, what's his information? We could send him banks
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: then he could just you know, oh, deposit it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Ben. At that point, Johnny was reported missing to the police,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and because his friends knew of his last whareboats, the
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: police were led right to Mark.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So I feel like that's like a little a little
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: bit of just like goodness of this story, Like, yeah, there's.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: A little bit of like precautions that they took. It
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: didn't save them, but at least made sure that Mark
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: was captured, yeah, or identified.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I know. I just love that they were looking out
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: for each other, really, is what I feel like. When
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Mark was initially questioned, he was not suspicious to the police.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: He was quite cooperative and actually wouldn't shut up. He
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: made it seem as though the garage had many things
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: out of place that he was unknown, that was unknown
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: to him, like almost like someone had been using it,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you know, without him knowing. It wasn't until he told
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: them he had bought a red Mazda off a stranger
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: for forty bucks and it was parked at a friend's
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: house that they felt they might have their guy. That
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: red Nazda just so happened to be Johnny's and something
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the police were looking for the police. Oh, sorry, we're
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: going to say something.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Why would he have told them that he has Johnny's car? Like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: why would he have said that?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Oh? There was a reasoning why he said that. I think, well,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: because it was at his friend's house and the police
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: were like also contacting the friends and stuff.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, so it was going to be found.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think, yeah, this was okay. This was
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: even after he was questioned in person. He sent an
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: email I think saying this. I'm just like, I don't
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: know he I mean, he knows that he was going
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to get caught. I think he was just he was
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: he was being smart about it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I guess he was trying to cover his tracks, but
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: he knew he was pretty much backed into a corner. Yeah,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: I gotcha.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: The police then confiscated Mark's car, which contained a laptop.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: A laptop in the drunk On that laptop was a
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: document that had been previously deleted, but they recovered it
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: and it was titled s K Confessions, which stood for
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: serial killer Confessions.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god, is he really that fucking dumb?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: It began with the passage The story is based on
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: true events. The names and events were altered slightly to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: protect the guilty. This is the story of my progression
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: into becoming a serial killer. It detailed every moment of
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the victim's slaughter, from the plan to use the dating
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: site to lure them in to the glee taken in
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: carefully dismembering the body. It was a forty two page
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: document and had other passages such as I grabbed his
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: jaw with my gloved hand and moved it while making
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: a funny noise to make it look like it was talking,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and chuckled to mindself the stillness of it all.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, how dumb do you have to
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: be to make the write down any.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Sort of I know confession Like see Okay, I warned
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: you as at the beginning, he is not a dexter.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and second of all, how fucking pretentious are you
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: to write your own basically biography of this sort of
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: stuff like that? Like, what the fuck is going through
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: this guy's head? What a tool?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Like, well, here, I'll just finish this one section.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: He talked about cutting open the torso of the victim
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and watching the organ slowly collapse. Mark wrote down everything
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: in that diary, but claimed to the police that it
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: was only fiction. Of course, So he's like a filmmaker
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and he's just saying, oh, this is just like my
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: next story or whatever, and it's not real.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I doubt that.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: It wasn't until October thirty first that Mark was actually arrested,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: after police got word that Johnny's blood was found in
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the trunk of his car. Got him, They got him.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: The lead investigator of the case believe Johnny is actually
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: a hero. By him communicating to his friends and letting
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: them know of his whereabouts, he saved this from happening
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to anyone else. Mark could have remained under raider for
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: much longer if someone didn't know of Johnny's whereaboats.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that on him.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we kind of already touched on that, but that
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the investigators recognized it. They had told that to Johnny's mom,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: so I'm like, oh, the police were armed with evidence.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: It was noted most homicide files take up two or
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: three three inch binders of evidence and notes and such,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: but they had twenty one binders on.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Mark, Mark marking my boy, you fucked dude.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like they just had like freaking evidence coming
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: out of the phraw. It's believed Johnny was hit over
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: the head with the pipe shortly after entering the darkened garage,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: stabbed to death, and then dismembered on the table inside
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the garage. His body was then partially burned in a
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: barrel and dumped down a sewer in an alley located
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: close to Mark's parents' house. The remains in that sewer
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: weren't actually not found until two years later, after Mark
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: had finally disclosed their location, so the family like didn't
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: have closure for quite some time. Really freaking jerk, no kidding.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Blood was apparently everywhere, according to evidence, And I'm going
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: to paint a little bit of a picture here for you,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: So I do apologize ahead of time.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I just want to say, you might want to think
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: your choice the words. I don't know if you did
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: it on purpose. Blood was everywhere. I'm gonna paint a
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: picture like wow.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: All right you okay, No, I didn't mean that. Oh gosh.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Ah sorry.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Blood stained the cement of the kill room seeped into
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the teeth and joints of the knives and saws and
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: other butcher tools that were used to dismember Johnny reports
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a heavy duty carving kit was used normally used by
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: hunters to chop up like moose and gear and stuff.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Kind of like, honestly, just like reading this and when
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I was doing my research, like I kind of lots
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: of times, my stomach was just like not feeling quite great.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: But well, I mean it sounds like this guy was
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: going through some fucking shit.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: So yeah, blood was on the makeshift metal table of
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: his alleged kill room, which is just gross because he
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: had gotten his crew members from the House of Cards
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: film to make that, right, so they had no idea
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: what they were like actually making.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: They've literally made a butcher table for him.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, blood saturated the end of a copper pipe mark
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: used to club Johnny blood was on Mark's pants, stitching
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: of hoodie, car, computer, keyboard, hockey masks, cleaning supplies. Blood
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: was even found on Mark's shoe and belt he was
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: wearing at the time he was rested three weeks after
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the murder.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: So he did not clean shit.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have it in here SEEO dexter sloppy sloppy slough.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: No kidding, Decks does not leave anything behind.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: No, like, because I know he did the whole like
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: plastic thing and stuff, but like clearly did a shit job.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: No kidding now because he's like this amateur filmmaker dude
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: or whatever. Did he? Was there any video evidence of
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: this found because he probably recorded.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Some, not that I actually researched. I don't think he
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: videoed it. No, I don't think he videoed it, not
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: from anything I.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Saw, because wasn't the entire purpose of him doing this
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: was to fulfill his horror.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: They had whatever, they had filmed a film, and he
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: was just his fantasy was like to replicate that, oh,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: to replicate it, oh like in real life. But I
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: don't think he wasn't like filming it to put him
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Okay. I thought he was like, I want to make
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the best horror film ever, and I'm going to do
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: it like legit and okay.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: No, I think, and I think I touched on it later.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But he just had a fantasy of like actually killing someone.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: He's a fucking tool, that's what he is.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: And at this point they were the police were obviously
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: convinced that the deleted document on Mark's laptop is a
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: true account of Johnny's murder, because remember he said that
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: it was. Yeah, the document had also mentioned another victim, Jill's,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: who had mentioned earlier. This is the point where Jills
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: does come forward. The police put out a picture of
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: the mask they believe Mark was wearing during the attacks
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: in hopes to find the victim, and then at this
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: point Jill's come forward and he was there to be
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: able to testify against Mark in court. So he did,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: you know, he came forward, which I think is great, Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent, But if he only came forward a
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: little sooner, he.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: No, if he came forward right away, yeah, yeah. It's
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: believed Mark's motive was purely for the experience of killing
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: another person and to make a more authentic serial killer movie,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: so it was almost like research for him. Then, really,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I think. Mark was found a first degree murder and
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: sent to life in prison with no chance of parole
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: for twenty five years.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: You should get more than that.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I know he should never get out. Really, I didn't
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: want to touch too much on the trial because I
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: feel like it's kind of obvious that the right decision
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: was made, but I did want to give an idea
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: of the closing arguments of the trial. He's a bit wild.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: The crown said Mark is a man who had an
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: elaborate plan to kill a stranger, while the defense said
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Mark was involved in an altercation that spun out of control.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: And to touch on this, Mark had admitted he posed
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: as a woman on the internet to lure Johnny to
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the garage, but it was only a hoax for a
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: movie project. Mark said Johnny became enraged when he learned
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: he wasn't meeting a date and attacked him with a pipe,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: causing Mark to stab Johnny in self defense. But that pipe,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: that the pipe had Johnny's blood on it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say, But there's
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: no evidence of that. The evidence is the pipe was
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: beaten Johnny over the head.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like, I don't know I mean, yeah,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: lawyers and stuff are great, but I just couldn't imagine
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: like the defense lawyer, Like I couldn't imagine being a
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: lawyer and defend someone like this.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't. It's it's got to be a slimy
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: kind of person to be able to do that for someone.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Or they're just literally doing it for making money, right, Well.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they they disconnect themselves from what's actually going on.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: They're just Okay, this is my job. I got to
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: do it, and they do.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: It because twenty one pages of evidence or twenty one
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: binders not pages bindersers.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Man, I could not do that job. I could not
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: defend someone that. I'd be like, I'm defending you, okay,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: and I get into court. He's fucking guilty. He confessed.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I heard him in the back room. Here's a recording.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Send him to jail.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that would be your only lawyer your
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: case because he done worth of it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Sent someone to jail deserves it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: This is really interesting too. So since Mark's been in prison,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: it's been reported that he purchased a TV and has
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: caught up on every Dexter episode since he was arrested.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like that show should be banned from him.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no kidding.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: The author who played Dexter, Michael C. Hall, was interviewed
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: at one point about the case, stating that he didn't
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: think Dexter supported the lifestyle of killers. He said, I
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: would hope that people's appreciation was more than some sort
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: of fetishization with the kill scenes. I wouldn't stop making
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Dexter because someone was fascinated by it. Only in that way.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I try to tell myself their fixated nature would have
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: done it one way or the other. But it seems
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that Dexter had something to do with it. It's horrifying.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is horrifying. Well, Dexter's whole thing, though, is
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: he has this like almost monster living in him that
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: like has this insatiable need to kill. And so what
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: he does is he uses that when he does have
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: to feed it, he kills those who are killing others.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: So he's trying to use it for good, almost like
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: a superhero in a way. Yeah, where he's trying to
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: take out murderers and that's all he does. Where this
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: guy just prayed on an innocent fucking person that is
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: not Dexter.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Remember in the House of Cards film, thing that it
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: was like someone who was cheating on their wife, but
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: then he didn't actually go out and get someone that
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: was bad, Like Johnny seems like he's amazing well.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: And cheating on on someone. I mean, yeah, that's a
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: bad fucking thing. Don't fucking do that. That doesn't mean
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: you should get fucking murdered. No, I mean you should
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: be fucking divorced and left single and that person you
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: cheated on should move on to better things.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: And yeah, because Dexter, like the people were really bad. Yeah,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I actually think it's coming back to me. I feel
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: like it was his dad or his stepdad or something
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: that had known Dexter had this dark side and they
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: had Yeah, they had made this like packed or whatever
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that every you're needing to fulfill your fantasy. It's like
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: a bad person. I need to watch the show.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was something about how he taught them to
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: use it as an outlet and like, yeah, if you
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: got to do it, like do it to someone who
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: deserves it exactly to do good in the long run.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: This is also ugh, I feel like.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Dexter would have killed this dude. Lastly, Dexter would have
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: killed this fucker.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: He totally would have one hundred percent. This other thing. Oh,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I just hate I hate this too. Apparently Mark has
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: a profile online on Canadian Inmates Connect and I had
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: never heard of this. So this is a site that
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: helps prisoners find pen pals on the outside. It's thirty
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: five dollars for a yearly profile. Inmates don't have access
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: to the Internet or email, so they mail in their application.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: The woman who runs the site said she hasn't refused
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: anyone and that every Canadian inmate deserves the right to
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: connect with the outside world, regardless of their crime. She says,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: their crime should define them. They're in prison and that's
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: their punishment. They've lost their freedom, so why continue to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: keep punishing them?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: But that is giving them a little more freedom though, And.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, well I understand people totally fine, but not him,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Like he used a profile like that to kill someone. Yeah, Like,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I just don't think everyone should should be okay with this'.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: That's a there's two sides to that coin. I mean,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: she is right, they like some people could take advantage
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: of that, and and sorry not take advantage, but they
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: could use that in a good way and maybe might
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: help rehabilitate that Oh yeah.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: There was stories where it was it was helpful for some.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: But there are other cases where it's like, yeah, he's
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: done this exact thing in the past, take advantage of
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: it and used it to kill someone like man, his
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: freedom has been taken away. He shouldn't have the freedom
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: to do that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I think something like that should go through an application process,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: like you said, but she shouldn't just be accepting everyone.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And that's some I think some people should totally be.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: And it was also said that what did it say
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: that there's a clause on there? Because if something from
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: this goes bad, like what say, if Mark like meets
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: someone and then gets out or whatever and then kills them, Like,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: that's not on her.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: If you have to have a clause like that, maybe
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: you should look at your fucking program and prevent that
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: thing from happening in the first place.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I know, fuck, I have it on here. I was
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: going to say, Mark's what Mark's profile says. I'm looking
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: for an interesting, intelligent, open minding, open minded, delightfully imperfect
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: woman to relate to and share amusing observations with, as
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: well as potentially a long weekend every few months if
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: it gets there. Naturally. Also on his profile is his
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: expected release date of twenty twenty seven, which is actually
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: not that far away.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: He needs to rot for the rest of his life.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: But then I think that I don't know from other
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: stuff I've read, like he's doing good in prison, so he's,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, like that's only six years away.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to do you want to create
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: a profile on catfish? As fucker?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I know, I even when I was like, when I'm
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: presenting this, people might be like, I need a doctor him. Okay,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: So this is just basically the last part and I
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: literally hate everything about this, but I'm going to say
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: it anyway, all laid on us. Though none of Mark's
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: films were ever released good. He went on to star
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: on International News, a Datelight and Dateline NBC episode, and
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: a book for what he did to Johnny, which is
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: just kind of disgusting when you think about it. His
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: dream was to make blockbuster films, but he became the
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: star of his show and became famous. Anyway.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing is, I mean, even us talking about
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: him now is kind of giving him that that satisfaction,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: which kind of hurts. Is why we try and try
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: and tell the perspective of the victim more so than anything. Yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: but this guy's trash. He doesn't deserve this notoriety that
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: he's getting.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I know. And like I said it at the beginning,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: he was even married and had like an infant, like
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: a child under one at the time.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Jeez.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: So that poor little girl like growing growing up to
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: know that your dad did something like this.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: It's disgusting. I can't imagine.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the dexter killer of Edmonton, Alberta.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Ooh okay, this was like two thousand and.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Eight, thousand and eight. Yeah.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's already getting out, like in two thousand
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: and seven. That's not even two nineteen years.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he had it said that he had got
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: twenty five years or had to have minimum of twenty
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: five years. I don't know. Maybe he's just being optimistic.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe because you said that he's like doing really good,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: showing signs of rehabilitation, maybe they've lessened his sentence. Yeah,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: which I mean, if you get fucking life in jail
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: twenty five years or whatever with no chance parole or anything,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: you should get that.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: It seems like every fucking case we look up or
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: research or I listen to on other podcasts, they're like,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: you're going to jail for X amount of time and
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: then not even close to that time, they're just out
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: walking the streets.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like what the fuck? But then after even a
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: length the amount of time in prison, I don't know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: we'll probably come across some cases. I think there are,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: like I think the majority of them don't reoffend.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna tell you right now the case that
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I'm researching for next week.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, am I gonna just eat my words right now?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this dude uh in and out in and out,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: in and out. Oh, let's just say that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, yep, huh. I mean especially too because like this
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: was Mark's first offense, right, so, yeah, I don't know
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: it'd be interesting. I mean, it's not interesting at all.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: It's actually like horrifying. I was gonna say, to see
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: if he does something when he gets so, but that's
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: just a horrifying thought.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't want to see him ever get out now,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: but clearly he's apparently going to Yeah.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Probably, but we have a bit of time before that happens, so.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: It's still still it's not enough time.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll put up some pictures and such on
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: our Instagram. What do I I actually saved a ton
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: of photos from this case, so I'm gonna have to
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: pick what. I'll definitely put a picture of Johnny.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Well, you can put up like those like kalash things
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: where it's like a group of like a bunch of photos.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do that. Yeah, but I'll definitely put
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: one of Johnny because I think that he was actually
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: a really good person.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: And this should not have happened to him.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: That's terrible.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so thanks for listening.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Everyone, Yeah, we appreciate you being here.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Are you going to give us any any hints on
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: what your next one's going to be on?
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Well, the next one I will. I'll give you guys
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: a hint. The next one's actually a recommended case from
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Kristin out there. Thank you Kristin, a friend of mine
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: from like way back in the day. Awesome. Yeah, and
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: she wrecked commended the what was it called his title again,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: the dating game Killer because he actually starred on that
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: classic dating game you know where it's like Bachelor number one,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: what would you do on a date? And Bachelor number two?
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: What would you like? That sort of stuff. Yeah, he
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: actually starred on that show in the midst of his
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: whole ordeal.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Oh boy.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and that's from the States, right, it is,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: and it takes place back in the seventies.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, because I actually recognize or that brings a
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: bell to me, but I didn't realize it was so
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: long ago. Yeah, I was not born at that time.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: No, we were a little bit afterwards. We're eighties babies.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, that's exciting.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: So that's what's coming up next week. And I think
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: you did a great job in this case. And honestly,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: what was this dude's name again, I'm trying to forget
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: his names, you know what, let's not even say his name.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: The dude who committed these crimes. Fuck him, he's trash.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he is in the place he deserves right now. Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: and I hope he stays there for a little bit percent.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks for doing a great episode, babe. It make
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: sure you guys.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was like, what I was pointing to you
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: to do it, stay wicked.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: There you go.