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Sonja Morgan and The Points Guy, Brian Kelly · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather Macdonald Has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 3: Hannah McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have
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  Speaker 1: a double header great show for you guys. Before I
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  Speaker 1: get into that, I just want to say congrats to
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  Speaker 1: all the lucky Juicy Scoopers who are coming to see
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  Speaker 1: me tomorrow night, Friday at the Palladium in New York City,
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  Speaker 1: Times Square. Such a great show. Also, then the next
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  Speaker 1: day I'm jetting off and I'm going to see you
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  Speaker 1: in D.C. at Lincoln Center. That is Saturday, February 15th,
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  Speaker 1: and then Sunday, February 16th, I'll be at Red Bank,
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey with Andrea Lopez and Anna Roisman for a funny, hilarious, juicy,
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  Speaker 1: everyone will love it show. So get your ticks, come
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  Speaker 1: see me, make the most of this Valentine's weekend, okay?
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  Speaker 1: And everything's at heathermcdonald.net, along with my Palm Springs date,
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  Speaker 1: March 1st with Brandon and Julie. So let me tell
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  Speaker 1: you what I got for today's show, okay? really hilarious,
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  Speaker 1: funny interview with our girl, Sonia. Don't touch the Morgan letters. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Sonia Morgan, OG. I got her backstage. She was just
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  Speaker 1: about to take the stage and model, as she says, lingerie.
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  Speaker 1: And this is very funny, very juicy. It's just Sonia
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  Speaker 1: all the way. And then we go right into my
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  Speaker 1: next interview with the points guy. Brian Kelly is an
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  Speaker 1: amazing guest. He's an incredible author. He will tell us everything,
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  Speaker 1: how to get the most out of your credit cards, travel.
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  Speaker 1: But we also get into some housewives juice because he's
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  Speaker 1: a fan of that, as well as how he became
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  Speaker 1: a single father as a gay man, which is very interesting,
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  Speaker 1: about surrogacy and all of it. Love everything. Being an
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  Speaker 1: entrepreneur at age 12, you're going to love both these interviews.
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  Speaker 1: So what a fun Juicy Scoop episode. And here we go. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: I am here with the one and only Sonia Morgan. Sonia,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. So you are modeling tonight, you said.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I'm modeling lingerie tonight. And they're waiting for me backstage.
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  Speaker 2: But I said, I have to go on the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: This is my girlfriend through Josh Flagg. You know, we're
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  Speaker 2: like family. She sat at the family table. Or, you know,
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  Speaker 2: his party for Nikki Haskell.
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  Speaker 1: Remember?
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  Speaker 3: With the parents?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Is it? Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that was a really fun night. Wait, is it
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  Speaker 1: lingerie or lingerie?
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  Speaker 3: It depends if you want to say it in English
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  Speaker 3: or French. So lingerie is French.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'm eating, of course, as a 60-something-year-old model,
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  Speaker 2: this is what I ate before. Prosciutto, pesto, cream. So
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  Speaker 2: my belly sticks out like Kate Moss. Remember they killed
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  Speaker 2: Kate Moss when she modeled lingerie, like the haters came
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  Speaker 2: out saying, oh, you're too old.
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  Speaker 3: You have a belly. Honey, never too old.
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  Speaker 1: And so wait, were you doing... So this is for
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  Speaker 1: Fashion Week. You're doing all like cool, real fashion shows.
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  Speaker 2: This is official New York Fashion Week. And they said
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  Speaker 2: they're having iconic, you know, people on to model in
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  Speaker 2: each set. And then there's this singer, Maya. I'm a
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  Speaker 2: part of pop culture, but I don't know anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: So she's supposed to be like some famous singer and
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  Speaker 2: absolutely gorgeous.
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  Speaker 3: And they have some top models.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't brush my hair. You know, I got
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  Speaker 2: shagged last night.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you did?
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  Speaker 1: Who did you sleep with?
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  Speaker 3: Well, because the Viking and I are done. It was
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  Speaker 3: a year and a half. He ghosted.
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  Speaker 1: Now, why do you call him the Viking? Was he
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  Speaker 1: really from?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Icelandic.
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  Speaker 3: A Nordic? He has a beard, like red strawberry, red
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  Speaker 3: blonde hair.
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  Speaker 1: And you guys were exclusive? Wait, you were exclusive boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: and girlfriend for a year and a half?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the New York Post tried to out him and everything.
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  Speaker 3: I kept him, you know, I have to keep him
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  Speaker 3: under a rock. You know what happens around me. Everybody
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  Speaker 3: steals my boyfriends.
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  Speaker 1: So who's the guy from last night?
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  Speaker 2: So I met a guy last night that I met before.
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  Speaker 2: So we did a little rendezvous because, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: in New York. I sold the townhouse. I'm at a hotel.
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  Speaker 3: So he met me at the bar and it's looking up.
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  Speaker 3: It's looking up. It's going forward.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't meet him on one of those dating apps,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with the fish in your hand and no shirt.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, this guy, I'm telling you, this is good. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: And so now you live in Palm Beach. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I have a beautiful condo and that's my home
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  Speaker 2: base now. So when I'm flying out, like this weekend,
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing the Paramount Theater.
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  Speaker 3: You know that theater. It's huge.
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  Speaker 2: And the Wellmont on Saturday in New Jersey. So I
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  Speaker 2: have friends from New York coming to both. And of course,
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  Speaker 2: they do my hair and makeup, so I don't bother.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's hard to show up like this.
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  Speaker 1: So you're living in Palm Beach. Have you heard about
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  Speaker 1: the new reality show that's starting in Palm Beach? Have
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  Speaker 1: you heard about this?
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing there. There's nothing there. Trust me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you might as well watch the new Ronnie,
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  Speaker 2: the new Roni or however you say it, Real Housewives
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  Speaker 2: of New York.
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  Speaker 3: That's not good. No, nobody's that I know is accepting
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  Speaker 3: that one.
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  Speaker 2: So I would tell you if I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: something you should be talking about or be on the,
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  Speaker 2: it hasn't even been picked up.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I just wondered if they were like trying to get
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  Speaker 1: you on it.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I'm too expensive for Bravo now. Who
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  Speaker 2: the hell can afford me down there? You know, OGs
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  Speaker 2: get too much money.
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  Speaker 4: We're out.
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  Speaker 3: We're on the curve, baby.
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  Speaker 2: We're doing OnlyFans and cameos and Zooms and caberlesque shows.
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  Speaker 1: Caberlesque. Listen. So wait, so have you watched any of
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  Speaker 1: the Roni the last two seasons, the new girls?
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  Speaker 3: No, I haven't even watched the end of Crappy Lake.
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  Speaker 2: And I saw the first three episodes because I was
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  Speaker 2: with my lover, you know, the year and a half Viking.
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  Speaker 2: And he liked watching it. Guys really like Crappy Lake,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with my snatch guard, Luann. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people are calling me and Luann and everyone. They all
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  Speaker 2: want to hire us and do sizzle reels and all that.
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  Speaker 2: So something else shake out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, a lot of people want to do new shows
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  Speaker 1: with you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you know me, I don't want to do drama anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I'm tired of turning the other cheek. I want to
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  Speaker 2: do the comedy like you. I like to be the
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  Speaker 2: funny girl.
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  Speaker 1: So what about doing more Ultimate Girls Trip? I think
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  Speaker 1: they put a pin in it because of all the
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  Speaker 1: controversy with Brandy and Caroline Manza, but all the fans
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  Speaker 1: want to see more Ultimate Girls Trips. Wouldn't you go
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  Speaker 1: do that again?
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  Speaker 2: Is that the word on the street, as Aviva Drescher
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  Speaker 2: would say? Yeah, we are all open to a trip
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  Speaker 2: and short season, you know, short filming. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be just a couple of weeks, 10 days,
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  Speaker 2: and we get a few episodes short. Me and Luann
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  Speaker 2: are totally booked on our tours. Like, you have your
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  Speaker 2: tour dates. You don't just go cancel them because you're
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  Speaker 2: going to go, you know, do something else. So I
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  Speaker 2: really need to.
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  Speaker 3: Know how to time things.
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  Speaker 2: I've got like 15 cities. I'm doing like four cities
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  Speaker 2: in California. I'm doing Florida. So now I fly out
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  Speaker 2: of PBI. It's incredible, Heather.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have to do LaGuardia. I don't have to
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  Speaker 3: do Kennedy.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't have to pay $ 120 to go stay
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  Speaker 2: here practically like Fred Flintstone, you know, making the car
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  Speaker 2: go for myself.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I just go to PBI.
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  Speaker 2: It's like $ 6.
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  Speaker 3: It's so close because I live in West Palm on
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  Speaker 3: the water.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You're too young for Palm Beach. Your song's too young.
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  Speaker 1: I performed in Palm Beach and I love, it's just
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  Speaker 1: the cutest, most like, it's just, it feels like a movie.
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  Speaker 1: I love all the colors and the style and the
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  Speaker 1: rich people. What about the men down there?
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  Speaker 3: You've got the bathing suit bod, you know? You still
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  Speaker 3: have that? I wear one piece and hide. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: me mom doing lingerie today. But that's all right. That's
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  Speaker 3: to inspire all the other women like me out there. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you're too young to go to Palm Beach because
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  Speaker 3: you have your son still. He's still home. My daughter
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  Speaker 3: moved out. She's in Hollywood. She's doing fine.
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  Speaker 1: Both my boys are in college. But are you looking
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  Speaker 1: to score like.
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  Speaker 1: You know, some rich older men because I went out
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  Speaker 1: one night and I saw Ramona out.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, she has a great boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: She has a great boyfriend. And so what about, like,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to find someone more serious or you're
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  Speaker 1: just having fun playing the field?
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  Speaker 2: No, I do, but I don't think she met him
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  Speaker 2: in Palm Beach from what I can tell is... You know,
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  Speaker 2: that's a very small pond, Palm Beach. I'm more of
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  Speaker 2: an international jet setter type. Those, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the hot looking guys there, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you noticed, they're looking for sugar mama.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All the cute guys are married to women that you say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: she must have the money.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you can just tell. And then the older
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  Speaker 3: guys are all married, I suppose.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I do like a.
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  Speaker 2: Guy, you know, less hair than me and a bigger belly.
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  Speaker 2: There's plenty of that. But I'm not going to go
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  Speaker 2: around eyeballing people's old men, you know, down there. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't do that. I don't want to be, like,
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  Speaker 2: canceled by the local... matrons of society so.
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  Speaker 1: When you hear about all the fans being like bring
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  Speaker 1: back the ogs we don't we miss our girls and
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  Speaker 1: everything is there some a little bit of vindication because
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  Speaker 1: they did just send you guys off to pasture and
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  Speaker 1: replace you with girls that are not nearly as entertaining
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  Speaker 1: i think they're all wonderful women in their own right
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  Speaker 1: but as an ensemble as a show it just cannot
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  Speaker 1: compare to to the original Roni. How do you feel
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  Speaker 1: about that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not vindictive. That's not my style. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry it didn't work.
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  Speaker 1: Out for them. Not vindictive. They couldn't fill our shoes.
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  Speaker 2: They can't fill our shoes. I mean, that's why we're
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  Speaker 2: the OGs. That's why we had so many seasons. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: Andy Cohen's first book said the best franchises are the
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  Speaker 2: girls who really are friends.
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  Speaker 3: We're all dear friends. We knew each other for decades.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's more like, you know, it's an ensemble cast.
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  Speaker 2: Of people that know each other and have a trust
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  Speaker 2: level and they can fight like sisters.
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  Speaker 3: You know, and be real about it. But what I
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  Speaker 3: do feel is, Heather.
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  Speaker 2: It was good for us to show that you don't
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  Speaker 2: just throw something.
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  Speaker 3: Against the wall and get us.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say vindictive. I said vindicated, vindicated, just kind
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  Speaker 1: of like told you so a little bit. I think
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  Speaker 1: it gave us a seal of approval that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you just can't fill our shoes that You know, they
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  Speaker 1: should have done a different title. First of all, I
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  Speaker 1: think it was unfair to those girls to go with
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  Speaker 1: hashtag Real Housewives of New York.
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  Speaker 2: That didn't make sense to me. That's our hashtag. I
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  Speaker 2: think they could have been the new wives of New
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  Speaker 2: York City or something. You know, the new kids on
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  Speaker 2: the block because they are basically kids compared to us.
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  Speaker 2: Other than Jenna Lyons, I think she's more our age.
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  Speaker 3: And I met all the girls.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're all great and gorgeous, too. I just
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  Speaker 1: think it's just a different type of show. You're right.
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  Speaker 1: It should have been called. And also, they're all social influencers.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that plays a part in it being
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  Speaker 1: a little less fun because they're seriously working all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but in a job that's not fun to watch on TV.
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  Speaker 1: Taking photos of your outfits and posting about it is
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  Speaker 1: not a fun job to watch on TV. Having you
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  Speaker 1: guys put together a charity event that you were really
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  Speaker 1: doing that then had a bunch of snafus in real
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  Speaker 1: life was really entertaining to watch. And you didn't all
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  Speaker 1: have your phones out trying to get your own content
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  Speaker 1: at the same time. I think that's what the biggest
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  Speaker 1: difference is that people haven't really realized.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't watch it, but that sounds about right because
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  Speaker 2: the feedback I'm getting from people is just like, we
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  Speaker 2: don't want to watch them. They want to hear about
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  Speaker 2: our divorces and, you know, losses in our life and
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  Speaker 2: how we keep going and inspire others to let them
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  Speaker 2: know that they can relate to us. And then, of course,
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  Speaker 2: there's the more money, more problems thing that always makes
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  Speaker 2: people feel better.
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  Speaker 3: People want wisdom and they want to laugh. And I
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  Speaker 3: think all of us are funny.
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  Speaker 1: You're all funny, you know, Jill, Dorinda, Luann, everybody. And
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  Speaker 1: it's also that no filter New Yorker. Like you guys
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  Speaker 1: were a, there is a type of woman that makes
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  Speaker 1: you the New Yorker that I am not. That I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, like Jill will just say stuff and
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  Speaker 1: I'll just die laughing because it's like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: you remind me of my New York, you know, aunt
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  Speaker 1: back in the day. And like, there's something about a
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  Speaker 1: New Yorker that when you're true blue New York, you
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  Speaker 1: just don't give a shit and you say it. And
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  Speaker 1: that is what I also think made the show so authentic.
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  Speaker 3: I think so, too.
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  Speaker 2: Even myself, when I see someone from New York and
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  Speaker 2: I recognize the accent and the mojo, you know, like
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: loading the plane from, I forget where it came from, D.C.
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  Speaker 2: Because I had a show in D.C., so I'm in D.C.,
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  Speaker 2: coming off the show and people there are like really
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  Speaker 2: easygoing and I'm going to get on the plane to LaGuardia.
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  Speaker 3: And you can tell they're New Yorkers. They're just like
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  Speaker 3: moving that line so fast.
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  Speaker 2: And all the stewardess are so happy because everyone has
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  Speaker 2: their ticket ready.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone has their baggage, the right size. There's no fumbling.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you don't get in front of somebody at
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  Speaker 2: Starbucks in Manhattan and not know your order. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right. That is great. So tell me a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about your shows. Like, what are you doing? How does
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  Speaker 1: it work?
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  Speaker 2: So it started out, I had a couple of sidekicks and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sing song skits that you've seen me do
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  Speaker 2: on Real Housewives, you know, the White Swan.
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  Speaker 3: Or, you know, the Marilyn Monroe, like fun skits. And
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  Speaker 3: then it got too expensive. Like you always hear the
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  Speaker 3: way and say, it's too expensive. I can't pay you, babe.
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  Speaker 2: You know, here's 250. Try to get your nails done
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  Speaker 2: for that. But no, I just, I cut expenses down.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have the piano player anymore. I don't have the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, big screen up there. I don't have like, These.
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  Speaker 3: New songs, right?
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  Speaker 2: I'm just coming out, doing improv, flying from the hip.
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  Speaker 2: I start with my chair dance, which is always hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: You've seen that when I did them on the show.
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  Speaker 2: So I put some new moves in there for this
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  Speaker 2: first quarter. And then I wear my headdresses and fans
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  Speaker 2: and ostrich, you know, everywhere flying.
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  Speaker 3: It's chaos. And people are scared I'm going to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: break a hip at my age. You know, my fans
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  Speaker 3: love me. And so they're always like, oh, my God, oh.
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  Speaker 3: And then we do the Q & A, which I've
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  Speaker 3: got some crazy fans. You know, I don't call them fans.
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  Speaker 3: They're contemporaries.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're telling me about three ways and choking
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  Speaker 2: each other out.
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  Speaker 3: And you wouldn't believe.
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  Speaker 2: The things they tell me. I mean, they're asking me questions.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever done that? I'm like, no, I haven't
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  Speaker 2: been choked.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 3: Not literally. Yeah. I know it's like a thing guys do,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you won't believe what comes out with the Q
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  Speaker 2: & A. And then now, I mean, the meet and greet,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: I used to like sign people's phones.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Then it was their boobs. Now they bend over, pull
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: down their pants. I sign their ass cheek. It's like
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: total chaos. It's so much fun.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, good.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, do you sign people's asses at your show?
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Um, I'm not signing ass. I have signed a boob.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I do get great, um, gifts. I got a Chanel wallet.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Oh no, my mom never gives me Chanel.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: They know I'll just, you know, give it to my daughter.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: I like the fake shit. I gave my daughter all
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: my Birkins. She took everything out of storage. Oh, yeah.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: She had a viral TikTok. People didn't realize she was
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: your daughter when it first went. And she was like, oh,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: my God. And look at all these Birkins that I
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: have for my mom. And then people look down at
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the name and they're like, oh, my God, that's Sonia's daughter.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I'm so proud of her that she does that on
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: her own.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: It was good. It was funny.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I think she learned from her mama how to do
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: that but still have a professional job in finance.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: What was it being your daughter? Has she ever had
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: a problem with you and your reality stardom?
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: No, I think when she was.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Younger, like she'd come home from school at three, I
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: would always be with her, do her homework, have her snacks.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: She's like that.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: She has to have the whole, straight A's since forever.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: She graduated summa cum laude, or however you say it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Sounds like cum laude. I don't like to say it wrong.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: But she always has been a bookworm, a Libra, very balanced.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: She doesn't like the limelight. She likes space.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: She's the ambassador.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I think when she was that age, she would mind
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: if I had to go film right after, you know,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I'd leave her at four and then she'd go to
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: bed at six. That bothered. But once she got older,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: she was fine. Some loser, he knows who he is,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. But some guy that has a podcast somehow
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: got my daughter on there and he actually said to her.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: And she was very professional and very inspirational. I didn't
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: watch it, but I got the clip because someone sent
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: it to me. He said, oh, don't you get embarrassed
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: of your mom or something like that?
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: She's like, no, without skipping a beat.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: She said, everything my mom does is for me.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: She's a pop culture icon.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: That's great. So she's very cool.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: She goes, I don't care how little you get for it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Just dump it. Cause I found the place in Florida.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Like get your life started.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like that townhouse was just like an
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: ongoing nightmare? Like it was another character on the show.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: It just like kept coming back from the dead. Like
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: it was like, what was that?
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: It was great gardens, right? It was coming back from
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the dead. You know, that's the whole thing.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Um, I want my daughter to have security. She was
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: a very sensitive type and the divorce shook her up
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a bit. So I just wanted her to have security
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: in the house and all her friends are international. My godson,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: who's like her brother, he went to the Rosé in
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Switzerland and she went to Taft. So we had all
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: these international kids staying at the house. Every couch was
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: made up as a bed. So I didn't want to
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: take that out from under her. And then once you
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: move to Hollywood, I'm like, why am I one person
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: living on five floors, my garden, my balcony? I used
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to spend a day in the basement, like Dorinda in
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the basement, you know?
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: No, good riddance, goodbye house.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: So when did you, what did you finally get for it?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember. It was so low.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I know I had to take a mortgage when I
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: was sued. I had a chapter 11. I had a
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: slate of pictures I was doing. Well, one movie was
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: with Forrest Whitaker and Gabrielle Amar and that won awards.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: I was doing great. And then somebody set me up.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: It's called a, it's called like a, whatever. It was terrible. So, yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: So you were like a, you were in vet, like
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: an investing producer.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: So I took a mortgage on the house for that lawsuit,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: is what I was saying. So that, whatever I sold
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: it for, it covered the mortgage, plus some crumbs. and
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I'm out of there. And now any income I have, it's.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Just for me. Well, I'm still supporting my daughter. Like
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: many of us.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, anybody has a kid under 30 has to
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: help them these days.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: It's just not the same.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: When I grew up. Right.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: And do you still, what about the Morgan letters? What
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: was one of the famous moment?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Don't touch the Morgan letters.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about the Morgan letters today?
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Good. You know, I still do that.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I'm doing the LGBTQ parties in the summer at the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Morgan Library, and I'm still on the board of some
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: of the Morgan charities. And, you know, I'm a Francophile.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: So one of the museums and Morgan, J.P. Morgan's daughter
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: is over in France. So I still have all that
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: going on. And, you know, I support artists, LGBTQ animals, you.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Know, children.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: So that all ties in because it's a French American
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: museum and a lot of my LGBTQ friends are artists,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: so I can help them out.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Like Hans Leinem is a really good friend. He just
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: texted like a few minutes ago.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is great. And so when do you come
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to L.A. again to stay with Josh Flagg?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Well, he just texted me, when am I going to
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: see your pussy? I'm just like, okay, how many times
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: do I have to show it to him?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: He misses me so bad.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: So now he has.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: This new, new house, right?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: He has the new one he's still building, and then
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: he has the new, new one that I just stayed in.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: And he has Kelton, who we call Crouton. That's his,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I want to say, fiancé. Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: You know, he was crushed when his last relationship broke up. And,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you know, I had to go there and sleep with
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: him and take bubble baths and take care of him,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: you know. He lost so much weight. He was very
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: sad about that breakup. Now I can tell you he's
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: a new man with Kelton. They're wonderful together. So people
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: put together. Yeah.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to go out.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: There soon because I have these four shows in California
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and I have Seattle.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Tell us about the California. Do you know your California
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: dates offhand or where can they find.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: All their dates? March, I think.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe I can come to the LA one.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I'll find him around February because he's not going to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: wait until March 12, 11. He's not going to wait.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: But I do have Monterey. I'm looking forward to that.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Napa's already sold out.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, great.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: And then I'm going to Duke. Uh, Ventura, that's when
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: all my LA's friends are coming too.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And that's between, I'm close to Ventura.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I think I already have an MC, but you should.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Be the opening act.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Whatever, call me. I'm ready, but I'll be, I'll go
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: for sure. I like to also be an audience member
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and cheer you on.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're working a lot right now. You could deserve
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: a little rest.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever. It'll be fun. Well, anyway, this was so
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: great talking to you. And I know you have to
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: go and be a supermodel. And yeah, let's go out.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Let's hang out. Good luck with all the shows. You
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: really are funny off the cuff. And I'm sure people
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: will have a great time. We always have a great time.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Where do they buy their tickets? Is there one site
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to go to buy? You can get them on my.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Website, Sony Morgan Official, or just put in Sony in
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: your city. But don't go through their shit.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Sites because the shitty sites, as you know, they don't
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: have the meet and greet.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: You have to go to the actual theater.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Also, they're more expensive, too, because they might be like secondhand.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: So we don't want people to ever pay more than
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: they have to. And then also, so all your other endeavors,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the Tipsy Girl, the Toaster Ovens. The clothing, like what happened?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Are you just ready? Are you thinking you'll ever get
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: back into those fields?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Tiffy Girl, as you know, went 86 with that partner,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: which Bethany said it would anyhow.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Not because of Bethany.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, we survived that fight and we're good friends
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: to this date. But I have my Sonia Sangria doing
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: very well. It's in Canada and in the U.S.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: And it's white and red, you know. There's no added
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: sugar or anything. It's all natural and organic. So that's great.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And then Cameo, if you're on the board there, you
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: know I'm always in the top 10 worldwide, but on
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the Bravo Liberty list, I'm always in the top one
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: or two. So that's been a mainstay for me, Cameo.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And then my OnlyFans on there, I share my makeup
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: tips and things that people are usually like, follow me.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I don't like whatever you call that when people surf
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you to find out what you're wearing.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: And- So for your OnlyFans, you don't do sexy stuff?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, I will put on some sexy things for the pervs.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: But it's a sex workers channel to begin with. But
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: then Hulu did this whole special on OnlyFans. Like Cardi
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: B signed up right after me.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: So it's an English company. And I had to get
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: a big sign-on bonus. Big sign-on bonus. You should do it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Make them pay you up front.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Okay.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I can intro you. But you don't have to.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Like, Cardi puts on there, like, for $ 500, you can see.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: A video of her backstage making a new album.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I'll ask somebody for $ 20 to get my favorite travel
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: cosmetics or something. But I do put some, you know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: whatever I did on the show where I was, like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: nude or whatever, and I'll see it, like, blurred out.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I'll put that on there. I'll put on a boobie dress.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I'll post things that, you know, some people want to
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: see my feet covered. I don't want to get paid
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: for my feet. They said, can I pay you 500
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: to see your feet?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And do you say yes, don't you?
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: No, I don't really want to attract that. I don't know.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I know some girls like it. I'm not a foot
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: fetish type of girl.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Would you come back to BravoCon if they ask you?
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: If I ever showed up, I only did it two
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: times because we had the crappy leg. But if I
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: have a show to promote, I will do it. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: think you're right.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: They should do another Ultimate Girls trip. And one of
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: these other, you know, what you call sizzle reels or
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: pilots I'm working on, something's going to stick. I mean,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: there are people out there that want to have us
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: and not just a rotating cast. You know, these rotating
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: casts where they have you on once and then bye-bye.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: They don't want to have you like 13 seasons where
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: they have to keep paying you more.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Right. Not just like doing like, Would you do The Traitors?
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Now, they asked me to do that all three seasons, right?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I can't just say, oh, yeah, I'm going to, I'm
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: just going to, you know, clear my calendar for six
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: weeks of Sonya in your city.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Give you my phone, and I can't do cameos.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: You don't get your phone then.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: You couldn't do OnlyFans then either, right?
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I have.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Interns that can post stuff for me on my OnlyFans
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: because I have a stack of, I put everything in Dropbox.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: That I want going on OnlyFans. And there I don't
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: really have to put a caption. It's not a back
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and forth. And I got a $ 100.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Tip from a woman in Texas when I posted a
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: muumuu I was wearing at a.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Pool in Texas.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That's nice.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Not even a lesbian from what I can tell.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: So do you pay your interns now?
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: No, they get school credit and then they don't leave.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like my lovers. They get breakfast and
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: they don't leave. They check in. They don't check out.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You know, once they get around, like sitting front row
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: at this fashion today or flying with me to do
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Fiber One or Vita Coco, like flying around with me
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: and styling me and getting all that sexy resume next
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: to working at Barnes and Noble's.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: The last job. You know, they really like the access.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: And my daughter said, you have to understand most kids,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: we go to work. In a cubicle.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: And then we go out to Sweet Greens and we
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: come back. They don't have the access you and I have.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: They're not at Jacques Flack parties. You know, they're not
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: going to the Morgan Library and saying, hello, Mrs.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Morgan. You know, they get to see shit.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And but what about have you ever wanted to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: get your daughter to work for you then? Why? You
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: said she's in a little cubicle. Maybe she'd rather be doing.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I know she has a boss job.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: She actually has an office now because she was between.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Paramount and Disney.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: She went to Paramount and then a headhunter picked her up.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: And so now she's with the boss team of 18 people. Great.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: She crunches numbers for motion pictures. She knows everything. She
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: knows everybody, everything.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you one day being the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: mother of the bride. If she was to get married,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: do you think you'll be a good mother of the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: bride or a bad one?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I'll be great.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I've been great at all her graduations and, you know,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: meeting her dates.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: She always says, oh, I don't want to date for
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: a while. Like, I'm not going to have a boyfriend.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, a year, two years, and then
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: right away she has a boyfriend. I've never had a
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: DTF kind of girl. So I'm just glad she's with
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: her boyfriend now four years.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Escort her to the Adore Me Houston show.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: You go have a great time. This was really fun.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And we will see you soon. Maybe at the Ventura
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: show or at Josh's bathtub. Yeah, come to Ventura.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I'll make Josh pick you up in one of his
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: fancy cars. And what else? You should get on OnlyFans.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I will. We'll see.
• 29:08
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  Speaker 1: at Travel with Brian Kelly. He knows all the tricks
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  Speaker 1: of traveling, but he's also a tall drink of water, gay,
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  Speaker 1: sorry for the straights, gay dad of two little boys
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  Speaker 1: who he travels with. And, but also just like a
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  Speaker 1: pop culture, like fun, good time.
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  Speaker 4: Junkie. I'm a housewives whisperer.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, everyone thinks they are. No, but I really like-
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  Speaker 1: Have you really helped anyone though?
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  Speaker 4: Have I helped them?
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  Speaker 1: Have you really whispered and they've taken your advice and
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  Speaker 1: done something great? Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I helped them all travel.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, help them travel.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and I also like, I'm an entrepreneur, so
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  Speaker 4: I want to start a side business, like helping them
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  Speaker 4: through their storylines? Because like as a gay with the
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  Speaker 4: pulse on like pop culture.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Now I feel competitive with you because
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  Speaker 1: I truly have been the housewife consultant.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm better than you because I do it for
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  Speaker 1: Christian service hours. And I just help out of the
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  Speaker 1: goodness of my heart.
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  Speaker 4: I do too.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I shouldn't charge them. But like you just watch some
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  Speaker 4: of these stories, storylines, like. Like you watch like Mia
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  Speaker 4: talking about her abortion storyline, which she thought was going
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  Speaker 4: to land differently. And you're just like, no. And they
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  Speaker 4: just they need good gays in their lives and good
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  Speaker 4: fabulous women.
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  Speaker 1: And also I originally when I created the housewife consultant
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  Speaker 1: side business for only Christian service hours.
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  Speaker 4: Was Jesus Jugs your first client?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I have helped her.
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  Speaker 4: She needs it. I helped Alexis.
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  Speaker 1: Foligno before she got the boot. I was giving her
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  Speaker 1: lots– I think I was giving her very good advice.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually told her to tell Alex Baskin. I said,
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  Speaker 1: you need to say that, you know, at one time
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  Speaker 1: you are so positive and now that you and John
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  Speaker 1: are together, this Real House is mostly– and that you're
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  Speaker 1: going forward in your relationship.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That when you come back on the show, you want
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  Speaker 1: to prove that you and Shannon can be friends and
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  Speaker 1: maybe even like double date one day. Like, why is
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  Speaker 1: that so unheard of? Like, you know, this was all
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  Speaker 1: just can be cleaned up now or whatever. And she
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  Speaker 1: was like, what? I can't say that. But I was
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  Speaker 1: just trying to because I was like, I really wanted
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  Speaker 1: her to come back.
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  Speaker 4: I really did.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to see the wedding. I wanted to see
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  Speaker 1: Tamara as a bridesmaid at 60 years old or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: which is all great. I wanted to see Heather Dubrow
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  Speaker 1: attempt to sing again like she did at Tamara's wedding.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to see one of the other housewives officiate it. Vicki.
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  Speaker 4: Vicki should officiate.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted the whole season to be if Shannon was
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  Speaker 1: going to attend or not.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. But she came in too strong swinging.
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  Speaker 1: Totally.
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  Speaker 4: Rubbing it in Shannon's face. And like, that's not a
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  Speaker 4: storyline like. you know, the female audience wants to watch,
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  Speaker 4: like the bitchy new girlfriend rubbing it in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's never going to win with its audience. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But tell me how you, let's go back a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about yourself. So when did you become like such
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  Speaker 1: an expert of figuring this out? Because myself, my husband
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  Speaker 1: is very good at it, but he's excited to get
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  Speaker 1: the book and he had some questions too. But without
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  Speaker 1: my husband- I don't even know that I ever would
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  Speaker 1: have done anything. I probably would have just always just
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  Speaker 1: called an airline and just said, get me a ticket
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  Speaker 1: to Phoenix or whatever. Or, you know, went online and
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know because it all seems so confusing.
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  Speaker 4: It is. It's like learning a language. I actually learned
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  Speaker 4: in the 90s.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm 41.
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  Speaker 4: So when I was eight or nine years old, I
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  Speaker 4: got prodigy internet. I was like the hacker in my family.
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  Speaker 4: I'm one of four kids, middle class family, grew up
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  Speaker 4: outside of Philly. And I remember I like installing the
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  Speaker 4: modem in my computer, putting the putting the phone line in,
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  Speaker 4: like waiting to connect to the Internet. So I became
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  Speaker 4: like the little hacker of our family. And my dad,
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  Speaker 4: he had gotten a job working from home for like
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  Speaker 4: a for a startup actually based in Chatsworth, California. And
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  Speaker 4: so he had to travel from Philly to California like
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  Speaker 4: every other week. And he challenged me. He was like,
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  Speaker 4: I need to book my own flights. This is 1995
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  Speaker 4: when like Travelocity just launched. So I was his travel agent.
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  Speaker 4: I was 12 years old.
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  Speaker 1: That is the cutest story ever.
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  Speaker 4: Booking his flights. And he would pay me $ 10 per
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  Speaker 4: flight because he thought I'd have to take like an
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  Speaker 4: hour to do it. Meanwhile, it was like 10 seconds.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't realize how easy it was. So it was
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  Speaker 4: a very lucrative gig for a 12-year-old. And so I
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  Speaker 4: was booking his travel. I just like a little gay boy,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in the closet. Like I always just wanted
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  Speaker 4: to live this fabulous life. Like I always knew suburbia
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  Speaker 4: was not for me. And I was always jealous of
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  Speaker 4: my friends who– like the wealthy friends who would go
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  Speaker 4: to Europe and my family. We were very– like I'm
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  Speaker 4: one of four kids. So like we would drive to
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  Speaker 4: the Outer Banks or Maine for like a lake vacation.
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  Speaker 4: But my parents were not like the fancy jet setters.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I also just think it's like either that's your
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  Speaker 1: vibe as a family or it's not. Or you're very
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  Speaker 1: comfortable with going– I remember Phil Rosenfeld who created– Everyone
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  Speaker 1: Loves Raymond. And now he has a show or did,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where he goes around and tries food of
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  Speaker 1: all different countries and it's a travel show. And he
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  Speaker 1: came on and he's like, you know, here I am
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  Speaker 1: working with Ray Romano. We created this show, Everyone Loves Raymond.
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  Speaker 1: And he'd be like, what are you doing on the
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  Speaker 1: summer break? And he'd be like, oh, we're just going
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  Speaker 1: to Jersey, to the Jersey Shore. And he's like, you
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  Speaker 1: never want to do anything different? And Ray's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And he's like, no, you really should. So
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  Speaker 1: then they actually wrote a whole episode where they go
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  Speaker 1: to Italy for the first time. And even for Ray,
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  Speaker 1: who certainly had the money, certainly had somebody who could
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  Speaker 1: plan out the trip. I think sometimes for people, it
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  Speaker 1: just seems overwhelming. And I went to Europe for the
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  Speaker 1: first time. And it was almost like a panic where
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  Speaker 1: I felt like, if I keep putting this off, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to be like not being able to walk around.
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  Speaker 1: Like what am I doing? My kids are older. It's
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  Speaker 1: time that I go and like explore and do these things.
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  Speaker 1: But I just– it does seem overwhelming to like book
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  Speaker 1: it and know that you're getting the best price and– OK.
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  Speaker 1: So you're this kid and you start doing this.
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  Speaker 4: Twelve-year-old and then one day– Do you take on any
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  Speaker 4: other clients at 12? And funny, my other job was–
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  Speaker 4: I was on the AOL classifieds. eBay had just launched
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  Speaker 4: and eBay was so popular that thrift shops, which is
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  Speaker 4: what it was made for originally, they couldn't upload because
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  Speaker 4: the servers were slammed during the day. So when I
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  Speaker 4: was 12 at night, these thrift shops would send me
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  Speaker 4: lists of what they wanted to list on this new marketplace.
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  Speaker 4: And in the middle of the night as a 12
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  Speaker 4: year old, I would upload because that's the only time
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  Speaker 4: the servers were free. So I was like a little
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  Speaker 4: entrepreneur in the nineties. And, um, So yeah, my dad
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  Speaker 4: one day was like, we have all these frequent flyer miles.
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  Speaker 4: If you can figure out how to use them, we
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  Speaker 4: can go on a trip. And I had just read
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  Speaker 4: The Firm by John Grisham and they were in the
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  Speaker 4: Cayman Islands. And as this overactive imagination kid who wanted
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  Speaker 4: to explore the world, I figured out I called American
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  Speaker 4: Airlines and US Airways. And I like flew my mom
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  Speaker 4: and I on American miles, my dad and three siblings
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  Speaker 4: and Vrbo vacation rentals by owner had just launched as well.
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  Speaker 4: And that was the first marketplace where you could rent
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  Speaker 4: someone's vacation house. So we rented for like $ 1, 500, this
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  Speaker 4: two bedroom, cute bungalow on the beach in Grand Cayman
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  Speaker 4: in this beautiful, Rum Point, this beautiful secluded part of
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  Speaker 4: the island. And speaking of Jersey Shore, growing up in
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  Speaker 4: the Philly suburbs, like everyone went to the Jersey Shore
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  Speaker 4: and it was expensive. It was like 10 grand or like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, rental homes there are real, it's like almost
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  Speaker 4: as expensive as the Hamptons, people don't realize. And so
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  Speaker 4: we went to the Cayman Islands for less than $ 2, 000,
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  Speaker 4: all six of us, free on points. We rented this house.
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  Speaker 4: And I talk about it in the book.
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  Speaker 1: What number are you in the family for?
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  Speaker 4: I'm the third of four kids. So I have two
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  Speaker 4: older brothers and a younger sister.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So when you brought everyone to the Cayman Islands, was
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  Speaker 1: it just like, Brian is the greatest? Were you suddenly
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  Speaker 1: the favorite child and the favorite sibling all in one
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  Speaker 1: fell swoop?
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  Speaker 4: Well, so the night before we left, I was in
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  Speaker 4: my bunk bed and I had a full-blown anxiety attack.
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  Speaker 4: I remember so vividly sitting there like, My hands were
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  Speaker 4: in my armpits, like, am I going to get grounded? Like,
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  Speaker 4: what did I just do? Like, this is 1996 now.
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  Speaker 4: And you're 12. I'm 12. And true story, I told
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  Speaker 4: my dad, I was like, we're going to Grand Cayman,
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  Speaker 4: but he thought I said Grand Canyon. And back in
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  Speaker 4: those days, you didn't even get email response. So the
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  Speaker 4: tickets come in the mail and he's like, Owen Roberts International.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, where the hell are we going? We didn't
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  Speaker 4: even have passports. Back then, you didn't need a passport
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  Speaker 4: to go to the Caribbean. And he's like, I remember
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  Speaker 4: him going, Brian, what the hell are the Cayman Islands?
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  Speaker 4: He's like, are there hospitals? I remember he panicked. He's like,
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  Speaker 4: what if we get sick? And so they basically trusted
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  Speaker 4: me at age 12 to book the trip. And I
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  Speaker 4: remember going through the airport because my dad and brothers
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  Speaker 4: got there first. And I was like, either he's going
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  Speaker 4: to be furious or like, and I walked through, we
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  Speaker 4: got through immigration and he just like gave me the
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  Speaker 4: biggest bear hug. And he was like, you nailed it.
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  Speaker 4: And it was like the most epic trip. There were
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  Speaker 4: six of us in this two bedroom. We're like all
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  Speaker 4: sleeping on sofas and stuff, but we were on the beach.
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  Speaker 4: And the Cayman Islands where we just snorkel all day.
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  Speaker 4: We all got sunburned. We would play cards at night.
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  Speaker 4: Like to this day, it's like one of the most
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  Speaker 4: amazing trips we've ever had. And I push parents today.
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  Speaker 4: I've talked to a lot of parents of teens. Like
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  Speaker 4: give your kids responsibility for the family trip. Like allow
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  Speaker 4: them to like start planning even just a day. you
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  Speaker 4: all need to figure out what the tours are, where
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  Speaker 4: we're going, do the research, set a budget, figure out
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  Speaker 4: the restaurants. And even if it fails and it's miserable,
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  Speaker 4: I firmly believe being given that responsibility to help plan
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  Speaker 4: the trip taught me so much. Never in a million
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  Speaker 4: years did I think I would create a little empire
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  Speaker 4: out of points and travel, but I do think like
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  Speaker 4: getting that responsibility, like set the groundwork.
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  Speaker 1: I love it because I've seen people show TikToks of
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  Speaker 1: their child where or they have a group, they have
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  Speaker 1: a family trip and each person does a like a
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  Speaker 1: little presentation of where they want the family to go.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the parents are paying, but like. It's that
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  Speaker 1: same type of thing.
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  Speaker 4: You're like Boze on The Housewives. Her daughter has to
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  Speaker 4: do a PowerPoint. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 4: Instead of just creating spoiled kids, you roll out the
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  Speaker 4: red carpet.
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  Speaker 1: What museum are you interested in and why? Why don't
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  Speaker 1: you look up what would be a cool– or why
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  Speaker 1: not take the train from one country to the next?
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  Speaker 1: You figure out the cool train that I see on
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  Speaker 1: this TikTok. Tell me where that train is, how to
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  Speaker 1: get the tickets, what the best route to go is.
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  Speaker 1: Like all that kind of stuff. So that I love
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  Speaker 1: that idea.
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  Speaker 4: So that like so in the 90s, my dad and
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  Speaker 4: I and then every year. So he traveled a lot
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  Speaker 4: for work. He'd miss my basketball games. I was terrible
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  Speaker 4: at basketball. So it was probably a good thing. I
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  Speaker 4: was like, but I'm six foot seven. So my dad
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  Speaker 4: was always just he's like, I'm the tallest in the family.
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  Speaker 4: I was terrible at basketball. But every year we would
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  Speaker 4: we go to Barbados, Caymans. It was like so we
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  Speaker 4: were doing this points thing in the 90s. Like I
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  Speaker 4: didn't even know that other people were doing this. And
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  Speaker 4: then it wasn't until like the early 2000s I went
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  Speaker 4: to college. I was student body president. And I studied
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  Speaker 4: abroad in Madrid.
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  Speaker 1: Where did you go to college?
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  Speaker 4: University of Pittsburgh. So I studied Spanish. I just always
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  Speaker 4: knew I wanted to be rich.
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  Speaker 1: So you're fluent.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not fully fluent. So I studied abroad
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  Speaker 4: in Madrid for six weeks. And so it was not
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  Speaker 4: enough to really pick up the language. Yeah. And true story,
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  Speaker 4: I almost failed study abroad, which is very challenging to do.
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  Speaker 4: Like study abroad.
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  Speaker 1: It's supposed to be kind of easy, right?
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  Speaker 4: It's so easy. But have you been to Madrid?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: Spain? I mean, Spaniards know how to live. And they
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  Speaker 4: eat dinner at 11 p.m. that you go out to
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  Speaker 4: the club in Madrid at like 1 or 2, and
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  Speaker 4: then you close it down at 6 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: And then what do you do?
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Do you sleep all day? Basically. And then they go
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  Speaker 4: into work at 10, then they have a siesta in
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: the afternoon. But I had all these field trips for
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  Speaker 4: my study abroad program. I missed every single one because
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  Speaker 4: I'm coming home at 6 in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: So I almost– Honestly, that makes me not want to
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  Speaker 1: go to Spain. Well, I mean– Like not that I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing nightclubs at this point in my life. But like
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  Speaker 1: whenever I've heard that or about Ibiza or whatever, I'm
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  Speaker 1: always like, oh, I like the Palm Springs lifestyle of
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: eating at like 530. No, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: And Ibiza, I just went this year. And I think
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  Speaker 4: it's like Spain– I mean every destination– like you can
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  Speaker 4: go to Mykonos and just do beautiful spa relaxing. You
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  Speaker 4: can make– But I really caught the bug in college.
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  Speaker 4: And then I had miles of my own. And then
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  Speaker 4: I realized there was this whole underworld of people. So
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  Speaker 4: there's these frequent flyer community. So I discovered it in 2004.
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  Speaker 4: It was a website called Flyer Talk. So it was
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: basically Reddit, but for these frequent flyers. And it was
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  Speaker 4: a moment where you realize like there's alien life out
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  Speaker 4: there because there were all these people doing what my
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  Speaker 4: dad and I had done, like people maximizing these airline
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  Speaker 4: programs to like you know, get the most value out
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  Speaker 4: of them. So I've realized, oh my God, there's a
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  Speaker 4: whole community of people. I became like really engrossed in
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  Speaker 4: this world.
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  Speaker 1: And then- Do you ever fear that by like cracking
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  Speaker 1: the code and sharing it, that they'll change it?
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  Speaker 4: For sure. I mean, and so when I started the
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  Speaker 4: Points Guy in 2010, like that community did not like,
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  Speaker 4: there were other bloggers out there, but I took this hobby.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, the Points Guy, it started off small,
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  Speaker 4: but it took off pretty quickly. I mean, we have
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  Speaker 4: now you know, well over 150 employees, like 10 million
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  Speaker 4: people a month are reading the site plus millions more
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  Speaker 4: in social. So I took like this little community.
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  Speaker 1: What is the name of your thing? Is it just
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  Speaker 1: the points guy?
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  Speaker 4: The points guy is like the website. Yeah.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It's a website. And, and you have 150 people working
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  Speaker 1: on the website.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So we're one of the top travel websites in the
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  Speaker 4: world for content. Like we, if you Google anything travel related, um,
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  Speaker 4: And our bread and butter, how I made money off
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  Speaker 4: of it is credit cards. Because the best way to
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  Speaker 4: get points is credit cards. And in the US, there's
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  Speaker 4: like 15 top banks, Chase, Amex, Capital One, Wells Fargo.
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  Speaker 4: They'll give you tons of points to get a credit card.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: And then they all have bonuses. You can earn points
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  Speaker 4: on rent now. So anyone listening, if you are paying rent,
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  Speaker 4: there's a credit card called BILT, B-I-L-T. No annual fee.
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  Speaker 4: You earn points on rent. And there is no fee
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  Speaker 4: to pay your landlord. Even if your landlord wants a
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  Speaker 4: check or a direct deposit, you will earn points. So
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  Speaker 4: this doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. Like the
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  Speaker 4: US is the global epicenter of points and credit cards.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: So I was writing about credit cards and a friend
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: of mine from college was like, you should be using
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  Speaker 4: affiliate marketing. And in 2011, affiliate marketing was kind of,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: I was like, this sounds shady. This is scammy. And
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: But I realized, like, because my audience, I was naturally
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  Speaker 4: writing about credit cards. And it went from, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was making like a couple hundred dollars a month
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  Speaker 4: in Google, you know, AdSense, you know. And then with
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: affiliate marketing, I made a million dollars in six months.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: It was like wild.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Because you had ads of hotels and stuff being part
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  Speaker 1: of your website?
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: No, so it wasn't even ads. It was just links.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: So I would say the Amex Platinum is the best
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: credit card for Delta. And so then... The New York
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Times wrote an article about me, which in 2011 shot
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: my SEO ranking through the roof. I didn't know what
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: was happening at the time. I'm working at Morgan Stanley.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: I'm like an HR recruiter, college recruiter. So my job
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: was like going to college campuses. I'm making 70,000 a year,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: like basically living paycheck to paycheck. But at that job,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: I figured out how to use my corporate Amex because
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Morgan Stanley would pay it and I would get all
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: the points. So I was broke as hell. Like I
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: would leave New York on the weekends because I couldn't
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: afford to pay dinner. Like when You go out for
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: a friend's birthday and everyone's like, okay, everyone throw your
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: card in. Like I was broke. So I would leave,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: fly first class somewhere and I would get upgrades. I
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: would get free breakfast. It was cheaper for me to
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: fly first class around the world and stay in hotels
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: than to stay in New York City on a weekend.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Question, bringing it back to Housewives. What did you think
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: in The Real Housewives of New York when Jessel's husband said,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I fly to Vietnam just to get a sandwich, and
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: they all insinuated that he might have had a Vietnam girlfriend, boyfriend,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: who knows what, besides an egg.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Roll or whatever? Justice for Povit. I'm actually friends with
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Povit and Jessel now. They came to my book launch
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: because when that episode came out– like I– I'm so
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: culturally inept because I never watch movies on planes ever.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: I don't go to the movie theaters.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: What do you do on planes? Housewives.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: Because I don't have time usually when I'm home. So
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: on my computer, I will buy the 299 episode. And
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: I will always have all the Housewives episodes. That is
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: my time on a plane. I just catch up.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I will say, I want to say, because I'm flying
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to New York tomorrow. And I find that the five
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: hours go by quicker if you watch a series. Whatever
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: that is. Yeah. With a lot of, like, episodes, 45
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: minutes to an hour versus two movies.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Even if they're good movies. I don't know. There's something
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: about them starting another movie. But if I'm just, like,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: watching Veep or, like, 30 Rock, like, to the next one,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: to the next one.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: It keeps it going, yeah.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: It totally– next thing I know, it's like– And.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: For me, that's just house. I get so much joy
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: out of having my housewives moment. No distractions.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Like, you know– Okay, get back to the pavits.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: So anyway, the internet is like, points guy, points guy,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: we need you to weigh in.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: And justice for him. So what he was doing, it's
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: called mileage running to get elite status. And so he
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: got a mistake fare to Vietnam and he was going
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: to get frequent flyer miles. He's flying first class on Cathay,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: which is an amazing airline. Like fully, he's not there
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: for sex tourism. And Sai and the bozos were just,
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: were being completely out of line.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: And also, I mean, he has two... You know, his
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: twin boys. Twin boys, a beautiful wife. But also, it's
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: a chance to get away. Yeah. And it's a chance
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: to just have a hotel room by yourself and the
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: plane ride by yourself. Like, for some people, that is luxurious.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Most people, and why I wrote the book, and in
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: the book, I say we're in the platinum age of
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: travel because, yes, in economy, it sucks. Don't get me wrong. Like,
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: back in the day, it was nicer in economy. But
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: what people don't realize in the golden age of travel,
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: economy was more expensive than first class today. And only
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: rich people could fly back in the day.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Nowadays- That's why they were all dressed up.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why they're all dressed up. But it was expensive.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: It was dangerous. There used to be hijackings. This notion
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: that the best days of travel are behind us is false.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: What you're looking at now, if you know how to
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: fly in the front of the plane, like what Pavit
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: was doing, you're getting Krug caviar, you're getting weighted on
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: and you have a life flat bed. And you can
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: get tipsy, watch your show, sleep, and then you wake
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: up in Asia. Like it's actually enjoyable to travel. Like
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: people in this points game, like flying to Vietnam, most
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: people are like, that sounds horrible. The only reason you'd
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: want to go is to have sex with a prostitute.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: But it's actually people in the points world. So I'm
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: watching that episode. I'm like, oh, my God, my blood
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: is boiling because these idiot women are just being shady
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: and they don't even know what they're talking about. So
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: I chime in and then Jessel's like, thank you. And
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: Pavit starts sharing it. And Pavit's a great guy.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: So total team Pavit there. And it's very normal for
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: people to do that in this mileage world, you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: that we live in.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: So now you're working on your website. It's growing. You're
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: a single guy. You still have your regular job.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: But then the New York Times writes this article. And
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: what I'll tell to any of the entrepreneurs out there,
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: always check your spam inbox. So I had started the
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: points guy. I'm working at Morgan Stanley. I'm like blogging
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: for fun, but not making any money. I'm like $ 200
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: in the Google ads. I get into affiliate marketing, which
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: seems scammy, but all I had to do, I was
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: writing about credit cards anyway. You know, what's the best
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: credit card for United? And I would just do analysis
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: of which card, but instead of linking directly to Chase
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: or Amex, I was just using affiliate links. And so boom,
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden I start making money from the site.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: I quit my job at Morgan Stanley. And just the
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: site starts like growing like crazy because, oh, back to
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: the spam inbox. I was going through my email and
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: a reporter for the New York Times had emailed me
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: and it sat in my spam box for a month.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: And it was New York Times interview request. And I
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: remember exactly the exact time and location when I opened that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: I was like, this is huge. And I realized I
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: met with the reporter because there were people had were
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: like frequent flyer miles are useless, blackout dates. But I
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: met with him and showed him. And he had a
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: girlfriend in Brazil. And I showed him how to use
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: his frequent flyer miles to go see his girlfriend. He
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: surprised her. And he's like not making a lot of money.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: And his mind was blown. He's like, you just showed
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: me how I can visit my girlfriend when I didn't
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: have it in my budget. So he ends up writing
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: an article. It's like the Points Guy website is gold.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: It links to the Points Guy, this tiny little blog.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: But then Google then sees this blog getting linked to
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: by the New York Times. And so from that point forward,
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: it was like a rocket ship. Because then my traffic,
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: you would search for the Amex Platinum and the points
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: guy would come up before Amex. So then I'll just
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: start making money. And then I realized using media, because
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: most travel bloggers are very awkward individuals. There's not very
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: many charismatic of the original points bloggers. So I'm like,
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: let me be this hip, tuned into pop culture, like
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: show me actually traveling on planes and kind of create
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: a lifestyle around it that I think people aspire to.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: And instead of me just like being like ultra filtered
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: picture in first class, it's here's me flying first class.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: And here's how you transfer your Amex to Emirates to
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: fly on your dream trip. Like I want to bring
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: people along for the ride. And back to your point
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: about the community hating me sharing secrets, they do. But
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: like my millions and millions of fans get to live
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: incredible lives. Like when People come up to me in
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: the airport. It's never to ask me a question. People
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: like hug me and they're like, you helped me take
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: that trip to Hawaii. Or I got to take my
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: kids to Cabo. You know, I lost my job, but
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: we still, you know, to me, that's like I firmly
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: believe I have the best job in the world.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: OK, so now cut to you're living the high life here.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: People want to be your friend. Yeah. Where do you
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: go from that to then deciding I want to be
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: a single dad and not try to find a partner?
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Well, so I always wanted to be a dad. I mean,
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: my life was wild. I was 28 when I left
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Morgan Stanley. Then a publicly traded company comes in to
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: buy my blog in 2012. So I went from making $ 70, 000
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: a year. I had this like, you know. almost $ 30
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: million offer to buy my little blog after a year
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: and a half. So it's like, it was like winning
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: the lottery and, and I get to travel.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: So you sold it.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: So I sold it, but they were like, you know,
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: I'm 28. They were like, and I'm the points guy.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: So they, they were like, you have to still run it.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: I had a three and a half year deal, but
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: then the site just keeps growing and growing. I'm doing
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: press and media. So they re-upped my contract. They're like,
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: just keep doing what you're doing. We're, I mean, the
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: business is gangbuster because, you know, I have a team
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: of writers, but we're now like becoming, we were, essentially
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: the top credit card website in America for getting- What.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Was your major in college?
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: Spanish and a minor in economics.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: So it's like- So you weren't a business major, but-
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Was not a business.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: But I like had business internships. I was student body president.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: And for anyone listening with kids in college, like we're all,
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: I think as a society, like obsessed with grades and
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: testing and scores, but like student government and learning how
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: to be a leader. I was campaigning. I was like,
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: I joined a fraternity. I was like the big man
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: on campus, but those skillsets- far and away set me
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: up to succeed and moved to New York. I worked
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: in fashion, ended up at Morgan Stanley and then started
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: my own thing. You know, so I had, I actually,
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: I had like a 2.8 when I graduated college because
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: I never went to class, but I was running a
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: student government boards, traveling and like kind of learning how
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: to connect with people, which I think has paid off
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: more than like, you know, Roman philosophy, you know, or
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: astronomy classes that I didn't like. So yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: So now you have a couple bucks, but you still
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: get to do your work and your fun. And so
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: how did you get to, okay, I'm ready to start
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: a family on my own?
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: So I'm one of four kids. My mom's one of 10.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: So big Irish Catholic family. Long Island.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, my dad's from Long Island, Long Beach, Long Island.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, both my parents. My mom was born in Garden City,
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Floral Park, like big Irish Catholic, middle-class family. I have
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: three siblings. They have 11 kids. So like, just like,
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: and I love, I grew up in chaos. I don't
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: know how many cousins I have. I think there's like
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: 38 on my mom's side, but like family events were
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: just chaos. Like, and I loved it. I had a really,
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: so like, I think that's ingrained in me to have kids,
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: but you know, I'm in my twenties, thirties building this website,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: traveling the world. I was dating people, but you know, um,
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: didn't find the right one. I actually, Business is good.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: I'm in my late 30s. I proposed to someone after
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: like nine months. He was really fun. He was not
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: meant to be my husband. And then the pandemic hits.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: So it was the week the world was closing down.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: And I just remember thinking, I was like, I don't
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: want him to quarantine with me. So I was like,
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: let me call off this wedding.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Wait, that is why?
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: Well, there was a lot more going on behind the scenes,
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: but like the pandemic, it was like that do or
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: die moment. I remember like New York shutting down. I
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: remember thinking the bridges are going to close. And I
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: was like, I really don't want him locked in a house.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: But you thought, but you hadn't called off the wedding yet.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: So this was the do or die moment, really.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Like it was, there was like, we, everything was great
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: until I proposed. And then it was, things started to like,
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: chatter behind the scenes so the pandemic I'm one of
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: those like people it was like the best thing to
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: ever happen to me because I couldn't travel I was
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: like traveling non-stop right partying like the pandemic for me
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: was like pause called off my wedding didn't travel reconnected
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: with my family I have a farm now in New
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: Hope Pennsylvania which is like the new hot spot like
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: the Hadid's lived there Bradley Cooper Taylor Swift just bought
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: a farm in the area so it's like this beautiful
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: little farm town outside I'm going.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: To interrupt for one minute What is your prediction for
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Taylor and Travis?
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: So here's my prediction.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And then we're getting back to that story.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: Off the record, they deny buying a farm in New
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Hope where, you know, it's like, and my thing is
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: that I think she's like pregnant or will be pregnant.
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: I think they may just like, I think she's going
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: to want to have kids. And I think they're going
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: to like, she's going to have kids, stay with him.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Well, then I don't know that you saw our girls
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: post recently, Claudia, Claudia from the toast.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: What did she say?
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: She said, do you think it's possible that Taylor has
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: gotten the ick from Travis, you know, after he lost
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: the game and dropped the ball and was wearing his
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: cheesy outfit and, like, strutting around like a housewife that's,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: you know, looking at her broods? And what do you think?
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: And then Paige DeSorba wrote yes or something. Now, I
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: have said there's been moments where I'm like, she might.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I was afraid she'd get the ick once he kept
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: trying to sing and get on stage.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: And since she didn't get the ick then, I don't
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: think she's going to get the ick because he lost
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: a game.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: And I think for her, the last thing is having kids.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: All of her best friends have beautiful, gorgeous kids. I
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: think she's probably just like, his genes are good. I've
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: got everything.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: But I disagree. I think she is that I got
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: everything traditional girl. And I do think she wants to
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: be married before pregnant or at least engaged before pregnant.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I just think that she wants that.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: And I said, if he doesn't ask her by April,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I have no hope for this relationship. But you said
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: you think they already have this farm.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: I could see them like.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Near you.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: She has a surrogate somewhere. And like one day she's
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: going to have a kid. And they bought this farm near,
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: you know, Gigi and all of these other people are
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: raising kids in this beautiful area. Like, I don't know.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: Could that. I mean, that's just like my. You know.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: Thoughts on it because she's conquered the world. I mean,
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: and I think she sees it with all of her
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: best friends and their young kids. Like, you know, having
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: kids is it like that's.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: She might want to be like a trad wife.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You never know.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Make your own bread and butter.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: She's from PA, you know, grazing kids in this like
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: area not far from where she grew up on her
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: Christmas tree farm.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: So you have your fabulous place. You have your money.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: You're still working. You're single.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Like the 2020 hits, like not traveling, kind of had
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: an existential, but I was like, I've always wanted to
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: have kids. I have the money. I know I'm going
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: to be a good dad. And so I start the
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: process of finding, you know, surrogate. I do the whole
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: process on my own, um, during the pandemic at an
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: egg donor.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Was that difficult to find the right surrogate and the
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: right egg?
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: You know, the surrogates are still in high demand. So
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: the traditional surrogacy agencies have like two, three year waits.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: And so luckily for me through social media, I was
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: like posting, I think it was like in a press interview,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: I was like, I want to have kids. So a
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: surrogacy agency, Elevate, who's done a lot of celebrity, they
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: do LGBT owned These guys are fans of mine. They're
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: points people. And they're like, oh, we have this amazing agency.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: And we actually have this incredible surrogate we think you'd
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: be perfect for. So kind of out of the blue.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: And was this the first time she'd ever done it?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: No, it was.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: So she was the golden possible. So it was her
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: third time doing it. So you want someone who's done
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: it before. She was in California, which is a very.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: And you want someone who did it before just because
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: they understand that, you know, that they are carrying this
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: baby and there shouldn't be a tie and they're not
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: going to have a problem with.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So when you're looking for a surrogate, you want
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: someone with a stable family because stress, like you don't
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: want someone who's really going through hard times or doing
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: it for the money or stress and this and that.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: And she was in California, which is very strong as
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: a single gay dad. I have friends who have done
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: this in Kansas and other states where it all takes
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: is one clerk to screw up the birth certificate. So
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: She was California. She had done it before. She's a lesbian, married,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: kids of her own.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing.
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  Speaker 4: We like connected.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: And she's just someone who loves being pregnant. Loves it.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: And she was a nurse assistant and doing surrogacy. You know,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: she made enough money. She put herself through nursing school.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Now she's a full-time nurse and, you know, has kids
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: of her own. So like, and, but at the end
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: of the day, surrogates are doing something because a lot
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: of people love being pregnant. And so she was just
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: like the most incredible surrogate. I got very lucky. I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: transferred one embryo. My son, he came October of 22,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: like changed my life. He's the cutest dean. He's been
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: to 16 countries in two years. He's just like the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: joy of my life.
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  Speaker 1: So when I see you traveling with him and you're
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: like in the little pod of the first class and everything,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: there's got to be at least one person with you
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: to film and help, right?
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  Speaker 4: So I have, being a single dad who works, I
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: have I do rotational nannies. So I have two full-time
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: nannies that work for me and they just do basically
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: two weeks on, two weeks off. So seven days a week,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: they live with me. My parents will take my son one,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: usually like one day a week. So the nanny gets
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: time off, but they do, they work 26 weeks a
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: year and they make full-time salary. So they basically switch
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: on and off.
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  Speaker 1: And how did you figure out that routine? I've never
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: heard of that before.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I hadn't, so originally I had a night nurse
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: and then I just figured it out. So I had
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: part-time you know, nannies, but it's just the scheduling of it.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: Cause last minute I need to travel. And they, so
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: basically there are agencies out there, um, who specialize in
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: like celebrity families, like entrepreneur families where you're on the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: road jet setting. So these generally are, you know, they're
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: called career nannies or most, you know, college degree and education.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: A lot of them were teachers and you can make
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: double what a teacher makes doing this and you get
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: to travel the world. So I treat my nannies like gold.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: They fly first class with me. I get them massages.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Like I, you know, that's, you know, you got to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: take care of the people who are taking care of
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: your kids.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah. So I, and then I found out about
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: rotational nannies. And to me, I'm like, this is perfect.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Cause during the week I'm in New York city a lot.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: I'm on my farm. I'm traveling, like trying to do
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: a weekly schedule in advance is just like chaos. Right.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: That is true. You can't have them like, I got
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: a home on six to be with my, yeah.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: So, um, Okay. So then, so, and then when did
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: you decide to have another?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: So, you know, I was like, let me just have
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: my son Dean traveling the world with him has been amazing.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, he it's, I mean, fatherhood, I mean, you know, parents,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: you get it. Like, there's just nothing like your child,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: you know, it's challenging, but like seeing him grow. And
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: then me having three siblings and just big family, I'm like, yes,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: it would be easy to have an only child. But like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: I knew I had one other boy embryo and I'm like,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: me and my brother are two years different. So I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: was like, let me just try. And it worked. So
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: Cooper Kelly came into the world in December. And my
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: son Dean is like obsessed with his brother, kisses his head.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: So I'm so excited now to see them. I wait
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: till three months to start traveling, but I think Cooper,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take them to Thailand for the month
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: of April, since I haven't really had a paternity with
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: launching this book six weeks after. But yeah, it's been
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: just like- And what do you love about Thailand? I
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: haven't been in years, but Thailand will be one of
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: the biggest destinations because White Lotus just filmed there. So
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: that's coming out. So it's similar to what Leitis did
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: for Sicily. Thailand is a huge destination, but everyone's going
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: to see the beauty of it. I mean, it's stunning.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: The beaches, the culture.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: And is it a good deal?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: Once you get there, everything is... The hotels, like Thailand is...
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: Bangkok is like the hotel capital of the world. And
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: it's probably... half as expensive as Italy in the summer.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: And I think people are just getting so sick of
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: paying like $ 2, 000, $ 3, 000 a night for.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: A hotel.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: And especially going to Italy in August, it's sweltering, it's crowded,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: it's hot. I think people are now starting to think, okay,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: and I push people in the book, don't just go
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: to where everyone else is going. Thailand's far, but especially
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: if you use points, you can fly through the Middle
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: East on Emirates or Qatar airways. I highly recommend you
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: can fly- Well, I mean, from LA, you want to
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: probably want to go through.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Tell me how to get there from LA.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: From LA, I think going, well, and you can do stopovers.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: So when you use freaking flyer miles, a lot of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: the airlines, you could fly to Japan, stop for four days,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: get a full Tokyo experience. And then, you know, Tokyo
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: to Thailand, I still think like seven hours on a flight,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: but it breaks it up. But I think the quickest way,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: they don't have non-stops LA to Bangkok, but going through
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: Hong Kong, Cathay's an amazing airline per Povit.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: But using frequent flyer miles.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: And then where will you stay? Will you get a house?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: I will get a house cause I have two kids
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: and nannies and stuff, but like the four seasons, that's
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: where they felt four seasons, Koh Samui. Um, I might
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: do hotels, you know, being in travel, I usually get
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: hooked up at hotels, but it's a whole different ball
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: game now needing like multiple rooms and that gets expensive
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: really quickly. But, but you know, for people listening, if
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: you have points, One of the beauty, now there are
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: all these tools and apps that'll do all the thinking
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: for you. So the joy of like Amex points and
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: Chase points, it's transferring to their frequent flyer partners. Like
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: Amex points, you can transfer to Asia Miles, which is
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: Cathay Pacific's program and redeem for Cathay flights at a
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: really good ratio. But you'd need to know if there's availability.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: Most people don't want to open up a Cathay Pacific
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: account and learn how to use their award chart. There's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: a website called point.me and it's basically like Google flights.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: It'll tell you there's open flights, you know, to fly
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: through Seoul or Tokyo and it does all the heavy
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: lifting for you. And if you have an Amex card,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: you go to point.me slash Amex and it's free to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: use this tool and it'll give you live availability on
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: all the partners. And that's where you can get an amazing,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: you know, value for your points without having to do
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: like hours of research.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. Here's some other questions from Peter, my points guy.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Which cards currently have the best welcome offers? Yes.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: So there are the cards that I really recommend. The
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: Capital One Venture X is really good. And here's a tip.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: So a lot of times you can refer people. So
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: if you have an Amex card or anyone you know
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: has like an Amex, the Amex Gold card is where
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: it's at. Everyone thinks Platinum. But Platinum, it's good for
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: getting in the lounges, but the Amex Gold gets four
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: points per dollar on on dining and groceries, which like
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: most families, we spend a lot of money. So my
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: tip is I get the credit cards, like built will
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: give you points on rent. So if you're renting, get
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: a bill card. But Amex Gold is 4X on dining
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: and groceries. And when you think about how much you
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: spend in those categories, earning four points per dollar, like
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: that's how you keep the points rolling in. So many
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: people I know will be like, look, I've got my
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: Amex Platinum and you're paying for dinner. And I'm like,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: you're earning one point when that gold card. And so
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: Capital One, Chase Sapphire Reserve, So I would say Chase F.I. Reserve,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: Capital One Venture X, Amex Gold, and Built are the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: core cards that are no-brainers.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: And what about your credit score? Do you have to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: have a certain high credit score to get these great cards?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: So in the book, I talk about this because credit
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: cards will open up. It's so lucrative. I mean, in
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: the US, you can literally get 100,000 points, $ 1, 000 just
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: for getting a credit card. And what most people don't
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: realize is getting... So you need to be able to
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: pay your bills off in full every month. So if
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: you're paying 20% interest, you're losing the value of all
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: those points. So to play this points game, I want
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: to be very clear. You have to, just like if
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: you're using cash, pay it off in full every month,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: avoid paying interest. But your credit, generally, the credit score
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: is out of 850. And if you have over 700,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: you'll get most of these cards. And as long as
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: you don't have any negative missed bills. But the more
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: credit cards you get, the more available credit you have,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: and the less you're using, your score actually goes up.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: I have 28 credit cards. I've got an 810. I mean,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: anything above 750, it doesn't really matter.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: And do you bring all your cards with you in
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: a thing?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: I've got my George Costanza wallet. I actually have a Gucci,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: like a... with like 20 card slots. I got it
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: at Duty Free once. So I have my credit card.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: I don't travel with them. I only use like five.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: For dining, I use one card. But I have, in
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: the book, I talk about points are one thing, and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: points are really valuable, but also perks. Perks, I cannot
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: stress enough to people. So lounge access. But when airlines
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: cancel your flights, airlines are cheap and they don't owe
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: you money. That's what people don't realize. There are no
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: passenger rights in America.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: Unlike Europe, if you're canceled, they owe you 300 euros.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: But in the US, it's like, screw off. You're going
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: to refund maybe in six weeks. But a lot of
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: credit cards, what people don't realize, if you use the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: right credit card, like an Amex Platinum, the Chase Sapphire,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: if your flight's delayed six hours, immediately you get $ 500
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: a person to spend at restaurants, restaurants. You can take
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: your family to a resort down the road for a
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: 10-hour delay and be spending and getting meals all paid
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: for by your credit card company. Don't wait in line
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: for a Motel 6 voucher from an angry American Airlines
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: agent when your credit card will pay to put you
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: up in a suite at the Westin at the airport.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: So if I was in that situation and I know
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: I bought my card with whatever, my United, and they're like, sorry,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: it's been canceled. There's some crazy thing going on, even
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: if it's weather, whatever. So then I call the 1-800
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: number and I say, and then they look it up
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, go ahead.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: So there's usually it's like six hour delay or some
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: credit cards have a 12 hour or a cancellation where
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: you have to spend the night. It depends on the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: card and everyone listening. You can Google your credit card
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: that you have, and it's called flight delay and cancellation coverage.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: And you just keep your receipts. You don't even need
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: to call right then and there. You spend, put it
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: on your credit card, put the hotel, the Ubers, and
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: it says anything necessary. You can buy stuff at the store, makeup, deodorant, whatever,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: and you get reimbursed for it. You submit a claim.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: And as long as the flight delay is corresponding to
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: your coverage, and they just reimburse you. Same thing for,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: this is crazy. People don't realize if you buy gorgeous
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: pair of like sunglasses, you leave it at a hotel
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: or you drop them off the side of a boat,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: you know, you're new. Within 90 days, almost anything, the
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: credit card companies will give you it back. Even if
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: you lose it, break it, it's stolen. It's called purchase protection.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: So my son just took a Sharpie and drew all
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: over a $ 1, 300 Jonathan Adler chair I just bought. Instead
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: of I just called Capital One, filed a claim, and
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: they're sending me a brand new chair.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Because you bought the chair with Capital One?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: Purchase protection. And this is a game changer. I lost
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: a Montclair jacket in Iceland once. I was filming. You
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: just call up Amex. They just take it off your bill.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: It's crazy. And it's up to like $ 10, 000 per occurrence. Wow.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I did not know that because I have lost and
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: left things in hotels so much in all my years.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: If you bought it within 90 days, usually, or six months,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: depending on the card, but your credit card will give
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: you money for all of this. It's crazy. So even
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: during COVID, if you got a villa and so many
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: people that summer, you prepaid for villas in Europe. I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: know so many people, you call up Chase and say, hey, technically,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: it wasn't in policy, but it never hurts to ask. Like,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: That's why these points people, when I teach people, there's
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: a whole chapter. When things go wrong with travel, flight delay,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: you show up to a hotel and they don't have
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: your room. So the book is 15 chapters, but you
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: don't have to read it front to the back. There's
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: a whole chapter on having kids. So everything I learned
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: traveling with kids, what airlines will let you bring a
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: car seat, which ones won't, what your rights are. It's
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: really a resource guide to give people.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: I saw a little video of a guy and- you know,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: I'll say that the music going, but he had this
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: little baggie and this single mom was, I mean, maybe
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: she wasn't, she was a mom alone. She didn't have
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: a partner with her and a baby and the baby's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: crying and stuff as they do on the plane. And
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: she had made these little baggies of treats with a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: little thing. I'm so sorry. It's our first time traveling.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe you could enjoy this. And so then he went
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: up and just was like, I want you to know
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: it's okay. And, um, You know, anyone that's, look, that's life.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: You know, there's babies and they deserve to be in
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: first class and all that stuff of like, you know,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: baby adults only first class. I'm like, that's an impossible
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: thing to do.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: By the way, I will die on this hill in
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: my millions of miles of travel. The most annoying ass travelers,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: hands down, are drunk adults. Like I have been bothered more.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, I saw a grown man collapse on a
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: flight recently, blackout. He was waiting for the bathroom, collapsed
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: into this woman's like pod. I thought he was going
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: to knock the screen out.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, yes, babies cry, but put your headphones on.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: Control what you can control. Put your noise canceling headphones on.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: Read a book.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: Shit's going to go wrong when traveling. It's your mentality.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: And so many people choose to lose and are harried
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: and stressed. Like actually George Clooney gave both noise canceling
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: headphones to everyone on his flight when he flew with
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: his kid. And like, that's nice, but you don't need
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: to do that. Like there's so much like child shaming
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: in America. Most other countries, when you travel, Europe is
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: so much more child friendly. Like you don't need to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: feel like you're doing something bad by traveling with a child.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: Like we were all children.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: I know. That's so true. Now, this is my biggest
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: fear when I see this. And that's when you see
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: a video or you hear about how everyone has been
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: trapped on the tarmac in the plane going on like
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: six hours. Either they have never taken off or they
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: landed and they couldn't get off. Have you ever been
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: in that situation?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: Not six hours, but You know, living in New York City, like,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: there's always delays. Like, you're always going to be taxiing
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: for hours. But now there is a rule, like a
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: three-hour rule, so they have to go back to the gate.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: But three hours is a long time, which is why
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: I tell people always bring snacks, always bring water, like–
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Because some airlines are really naughty.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Now I feel like we just went
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: on one and they don't even give you water.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: They don't give you anything.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think you got to have your water.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: And the refill, all the refill places are great. Because
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: that used to be such an expense.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: You'd be like, I'm not going to buy water. Yeah,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: you can get filtered water now.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: And bring the food. Bring some food.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: And even like the Wi-Fi is never going to work
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: when you really need it. Don't like always just prepare.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: You know, that's why I pay. I'm still so stupid
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: with like iTunes. But I'll always have a library of
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: shows on my laptop or iPad.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: Because even in first class, you're going to have this,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: you know, you're going to finally get up there and
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: your screen's going to be broken.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? So always plan for what
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: you can control.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Yes. I like, yes, that's a good one. Is there
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: a particular best time to apply for the popular travel
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: credit cards based on offer history?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: So like a lot of the credit card companies will
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: have like limited time offers. You never really know when
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: they're going to come and go. Also, I recommend, so
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: there's a... thepointsguy.com slash cardmatch. So there's a tool, like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: if you've never had an Amex card, Amex, the credit
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: card companies are now doing more and more personalized, like
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: special offers. So they know if you have good credit,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: you've never had an Amex, they'll give you like 150,000, 250,000 points.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: So before you apply for like a public offer, always
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: Google on the internet, just be like, what is the
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: best offer on the Amex Platinum right now? This card
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: match tool does not run your credit, but you can
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: put in and see if there's any special offers. So
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: see if you've got any special targeted offers and even
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: open up your snail mail from Amex or the other.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they'll send really rich to get you to get
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: a credit card.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: So- Is there any kind of scam to be aware
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: of or mistakes?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: So mistakes are... So a lot of times the credit
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: card companies will send you, oh, upgrade to this card.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: And so the problem is if you upgrade, usually they
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: won't give you the big signup bonus, like 100,000 points.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: But you can apply often as a new cardholder for
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: a credit card and get the signup bonus. So don't...
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: If you're listening to this and you're like, oh, I
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: want to get the Amex Gold. Let me just change
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: my platinum to a gold. Sometimes... or if you had
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: a green card, it behooves you to like apply new
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: for a gold card instead of just upgrading because you
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: could forego that 100,000 point signup bonus. So, you know,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: in the book, I have a whole chapter on earning points.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: By the way, credit cards are just one piece of this.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: Shopping portal. So if you never, ever, ever go directly
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: to a retailer's website on the internet. So the airlines
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: and credit cards have their own shopping portals where they'll
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: give you extra miles. You just click a link. So
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: if you're going to go to Saks, never go to Saks.com.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: You want to go, there's a website, cashbackmonitor.com. You'd put
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: in Saks or whatever the retailer you're shopping at. It'll
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: tell you all the airlines and credit cards or even
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: cash back you can get for that purchase. You click
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: through that shopping portal and then you get extra miles
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: in addition to your credit card points. We call that
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: double dipping. So for all your online shopping, all your
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: back to school shopping, you could be getting tons. And
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: sometimes it's, you know, even Apple purchases, six American Airlines
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: miles per dollar spent to get all your Apple products.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: So think about, you know, and those American airline miles
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: are very valuable. So like there's all these different ways.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: If you take Uber, everyone listening, you should be getting
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: free Marriott points. All you have to do is link
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: your Marriott once to your Uber account. That's the top
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: way I earn Marriott points. So I get free hotel
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: stays for the same exact Uber I would be doing,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: but you click once to attach your Marriott and you'll
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: have free points just rolling in after each ride.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: So besides being the special credit card person to get
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: the upgrade at the hotel, is there any other thing
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: to say or do to get that better room when
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: you arrive?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: Well, the first thing you want to do is not
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: book through online travel agencies. So if you're booking through certain,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: you know, like the Expedias of the world, they hate
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: those bookings because they have to pay Expedia or the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: others a huge commission. So on a totem pole of
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: guests staying, like you're at the bottom because when you
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: book directly with the hotel, they're making way more money
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: off of you. You're a better client. So I'm not
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: saying to never book on an OTA, but price check.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: And often the hotel when booking direct will give you
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: the same rate or better. And in that case, book
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: direct with the hotel. Because if the hotel is sold out,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: they literally will walk those guests who booked through online
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: travel agencies, give you the worst rooms. The only exception
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: to this is luxury hotels. So many people I know
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: will say, oh, I want to go to Four Seasons Maui.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: You go to Four Seasons website. No, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: Don't do that. You wanna book luxury hotels through luxury
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: travel agents because you're gonna get way more perks than
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: usually directly on the hotel website. And these luxury travel
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: advisors are worth their weight in gold because they book
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: tons of clients at these hotels. So think about it.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: If it's your honeymoon or whatever, get a travel advisor.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: They're not gonna charge you anything extra usually because they're
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: getting the commission, but they will call that hotel. They
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: will let them know it's your honeymoon. And if anything
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: goes wrong, At a hotel, you kind of have to
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: go to the front desk. Hey, my room sucks. It's
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: not really ocean view. If you book directly at the hotel,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: they're like, well, sorry, that's what it is. If you
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: go to a top-notch travel advisor who books tons of
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: clients at that hotel, those travel advisors, you better believe
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: they pick up the phone. They're talking to the GM.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: And they're like, if you don't take care of Heather
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: and her family now, we're not going to send other
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: people to you. So when you have the backing of
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: a top-notch advisor, Virtuoso is like the creme de la
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: creme of travel advisors. Plus, they can do so much
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: for you. If your airlines screw up, your travel advisors,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: you don't have to wait in the long line at
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: the airport. You can call your top travel agency and
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: they can rebook you on another partner because they have
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: full access to the airline. So even if you have
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: to pay for the travel, if you're spending a lot
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: of money on trips, safaris, Roar Africa is like the
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: best safari agency. They will do everything for you, especially
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: traveling within Africa. Flights are canceled. They'll have people waiting
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: in the airports for you if anything goes wrong. So
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: Whereas I think a lot of people are like travel
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: agents are a dying breed. False. They're actually now more
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: relevant than ever. And getting good ones can totally elevate
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: your trips, save you time and hassle. And they know
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: the ins and outs. And when anything goes wrong, you
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: call them and they'll fix it in a heartbeat.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I love this. Now, are you looking for love
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: or are you just full dad mode? I mean, are
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: you guys, are guys into finding a built in family
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: or what have you found?
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of guys want to have families,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: but I mean, it's stupidly expensive. Like, I don't understand how,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm very lucky I have, I've done well
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: in life, but my God, like just the surrogacy, it's
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: like $ 200, 000. Plus, plus, plus, and then kids.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: So now wait, did you use the same surrogacy surrogate
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: for the second child?
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: So she, this was her third time doing it with
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: me and her, her wife at times like, sorry, she's
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: closed for business. Um, and she, she was, she was,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: she didn't want to do it again. So I, I
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: found through elevate, they got me an incredible, my, my
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: second surrogate was a queen. She was actually a nurse
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: practitioner in, in a neonatal NICU. So she like, takes
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: care of babies for a living. She was the best surrogate.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: We're super close. I was like, my son was born
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: over the holidays. We were at her family's house. We're
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: really tight. So I got very, I've had two amazing surrogates.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: They are angels on earth.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: And then the egg donor was all from the one person.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I did a retrieval. So when I got
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: my egg donor, I did like a month's worth of
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: eggs that we retrieved. And then I made embryos. So
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: I had like seven top-notch embryos on ice right now.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: I had two boys, used both of them, and they worked,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: thank God, the first time each. I was very fortunate. Dr.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: Donishman is my IVF doctor in San Diego Fertility Clinic,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: the best. San Diego Fertility Clinic, Elevate, surrogacy agency, they
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: have been so amazing for me.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: And so how did you choose your surrogate? Not surrogate, sorry.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: How did you choose your egg donor?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: It was kind of fun. I mean, I, I would,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of things you can look for education. Um,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: for me was like, I wanted healthy and where possible, like,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: you know, mental illness, you try to, some people will
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: list their health histories. Like I tried where possible to
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: kind of weed that out. Cause I, see how challenging
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: that is. And I do know that there is a
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: lot of hereditary. So if I'm going to try to
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: help my kids, so I was looking for like healthy
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: and they tell you their parents, their grandparents, how they died. Um,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: but then I think, I mean, I want a beautiful
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: and sort of kind of look like me since my
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: kids will be, I didn't want people to look at
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: them and having them look so striking and be like, Oh,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: what's your mom? What's your dad? You know, like, like,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: So anyway- That's.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Interesting because my friend who, her son is 19. And
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: so it was called single mom by choice back then.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: And it was not as many people were doing it.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: And I remember she said, I chose a sperm donor
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: who looked like me because I'm like, I'm going to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: have one kid and I want the child to look
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: like me. Yeah.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: I think it's natural. You kind of get protective when
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: you're So, yeah. So, you know, she's beautiful, healthy. And
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I just– like you
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: look at these profiles, you can sit there all day long.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: But I just went with my gut. I was like
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: this– she loved animals, rode horses, seemed cool. I was
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: like this is just someone I connect with.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: And did you– is it the same thing? Because like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: my other friend like bought the whole lot of the sperm. Yeah.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: So were you able to have her then not donate anymore?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: So she had donated to others. I don't know if
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: you can like take them off the market. Oh. So–
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: But I got like a month's worth. So I had
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: like seven embryos, which they say you want like three
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: embryos for every child you want. And luckily for me,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: I had a high six. If you do like genetic
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: testing to the embryos, it increases your chance because they
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: will actually rank all your embryos. They know how to
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: like see the healthiest one. So I was able to
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: use the very top notch embryos, which dramatically increases the
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: approval rate when you know some embryos are just not
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: meant to be viable. So when you do the analysis- Um,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: so yeah, so I have some other, I have other
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: embryos on ice. We'll see. I'm very happy with my
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: two boys. Very busy. I'm 41. Um, but yeah, I'm dating.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: It's just, I mean, with this book launch, two kids,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: it's hard to like really create space, but I'm always open.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: We'll see.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Probably not going to happen now that you're, you know,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: it's always, but I find I.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: Have had no trouble dating. I find people cause I,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: but I'm.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Saying the right one was going to come when you're
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: not like, Exactly. Where you're like, I don't even.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Or not. Or maybe you don't. Maybe you want to
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: live that single life. Like, I think for all my
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: friends that have gone through some horrific co-parenting, I've been
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: saying for a long time, like, Andy Cohen did it right. Like,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: then when the love comes, the love comes. And if
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: it goes away, it's not taking your kid every other weekend.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like. It's something to consider if you're
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: at the place of making the choice to be a parent.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Don't rush in and go, I need a partner for
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: this because I'm at this age or stage in life.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Because it's a lot easier to get divorced than to
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: co-parent with somebody.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: So I go to bed, like knowing my kids will
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: always be mine, 100%, nothing like that to me is like,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: takes the stress out of being with someone that you're
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: rushing into. I avoided a near disaster, you know, so.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: you know, people are always like, you're so brave. I mean,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I just know I'm a good dad and
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: I have great family, friends. It takes a village. I
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: have great nannies. So I love the setup that I have.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: I have zero, you know, I push people to, you know,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: a lot of people are successful, busy, can't find the
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: right spouse, but like want to have kids. So I
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: highly recommend. Yeah.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: I think if it's in your heart where you're like,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: my whole life, I knew, like, I remember when I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: was just single, And I'd like come home from like
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: doing standup and I'd watch like reruns of Jerry Springer.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: And I remember just being in this bed. I had
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: no boyfriend or nothing. I was like 27. And I
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: was like, I know I want to be a mom.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: If I never meet somebody, I'm still going to be
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: a mom. And then there's other people that are like,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if I really want it. I'm like,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: that's a gift too.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: That's a gift.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: If you're not dying for it, then don't do it
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: because you'll never know. You'll never know what you're missing.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: You won't. And the thing when people go, what's the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: biggest thing? I go, the biggest thing is When you
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: are a parent, you're going to worry about someone till
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: the day you die. It'll never change. It'll go up
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: and down, but it'll like hit you or you'll see something.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: And if you're not with your kid or then you
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden imagine like the worst. And that
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: is what a non-parent will never experience. Yeah. And that's good.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: That to me is.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: The worst part.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Of course, there's all the great stuff, but the worst
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: part is just that forever there's just like, you know,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: there's always going to be some anxiety if you're a parent.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: It's just an impossibility.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: Now my boys are with me all the time. I
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: haven't done school yet. So I'm like, and living in
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: this happy bubble, they come with me wherever I go.
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  Speaker 4: We're on the farm. It's like, but once they start
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  Speaker 4: like going in and like becoming friends and then you
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  Speaker 4: just have to give up control where they're like, just
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  Speaker 4: hope they're making good decisions, like But, you know, a parent,
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  Speaker 4: you just learn to deal with every phase of it, right?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: You can't prepare for it.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes you're like, oh, I wish my kid was
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: more social or less social. And then you see an
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  Speaker 1: awful thing that a terrible thing happened at a high
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  Speaker 1: school party. You're like, well, now I'm glad my kid
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  Speaker 1: wasn't that social. Like, it just is like. it's just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but, but I do think it continues to
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  Speaker 1: get better. I mean, I, my kids are now grown
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  Speaker 1: and I, I love it. And I like, I.
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  Speaker 4: What was your favorite age? If you could choose like
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: zero to 18.
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  Speaker 1: My dad always said his favorite was nine. And I
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  Speaker 1: think nine is a great age because I remember like
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  Speaker 1: sitting across from my son, like getting yogurt. And it
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  Speaker 1: was like just the two of us. And we were
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  Speaker 1: having such a fun conversation. And like, so they can
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  Speaker 1: like get their own shit together. They can take their
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  Speaker 1: own shower. They can pull their own suitcase. But then
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  Speaker 1: you can have this conversation and they're still into you.
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  Speaker 1: And they still have to ask to do things.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, but of course the cuddly wuddly kissy time is
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  Speaker 1: something that if someone said, could you, if you could
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  Speaker 1: jump back and have one day, Oh, I'd want one
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  Speaker 1: to be, uh, like eight to 10 months.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'd want the other one to be like three, three.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'd want to jump back to that time. Um,
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  Speaker 1: of when my kids are three years apart. So like,
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  Speaker 1: like that and like go to the park.
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  Speaker 4: Eight to ten months you see and like.
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  Speaker 1: Me you know make the kid lunch yeah and take
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  Speaker 1: the nap yeah and like all of that stuff yeah
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: you know um but it's exhausting too and i know
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  Speaker 1: that like the reason i think i don't remember a
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: lot of it is because it was like sleep deprived
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: and when i think about like coming home from like
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: working on chelsea lately and still having to do like
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: homework food bedtime make up a bedtime story do it
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: you know the bathing and all that stuff. And then
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden I got to a place where
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God, I actually like have
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: the evening to myself. That's like a weird thing too.
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  Speaker 4: I'm making up the, I'm deep in that now. My
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: two and a half year old and he's, I'll make
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: up a really creative story. He's like another, another. And
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: There were so many creative ones.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: I'm like how many more? And I'll say something. I
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: said like a month ago, he's like, no, no, you
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: told me that. And I'm like. jeez, I've got to
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: really be creative here. He's like holding me accountable.
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  Speaker 1: I think you should, when you do it, you should
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  Speaker 1: like record them because I wish I would have done
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: that because I feel like I came up with some
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: really good ones. And not that I was, you know,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: need to do a children's book, but like there were
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: some really fun creative ones. And then one day they
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: just go to bed and they don't ask you for that.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: And at first it's like, oh my God, this is amazing.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: And then one day you're like, oh, that's over with now.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: It's really... It's great though. I'm really happy for you.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: And I'm so excited to read the book. And I
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: know my husband and I, and my son is like
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: super into like finance and money and he's getting his
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: own credit going and stuff. So I'm excited to share.
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  Speaker 4: It's so important for the parents out there with teens,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: get them started young. Like I talk a lot about
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: it in the book, but even just adding your child
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: as an additional cardholder on your credit, well, they can
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: inherit your entire lifetime of good credit, which allows them
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: to start setting their own, getting them their own card,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: making sure they're responsible. I made so many mistakes. I
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: think a lot of young people do because they're not
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: taught this in school or, you know, I'm sure in
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: wealthy areas, kids are just given credit cards and not
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: really told how to responsibly use them. So I think
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: credit education and setting your kids up for success so
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: that when they graduate college, they don't need you to co-sign.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: They understand how to pay bills. Like, I think that
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: is like such a service to kids to like you know,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: give them the responsibility and not just have everything handed
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: to them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Well, thank you so much. Brian
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: Kelly's book is How to Win at Travel. Founder of
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: The Points Guy. How do they follow you on Instagram
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: and all that?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: So personally, I'm at Brian Kelly. So I share all
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: my travels and tips. But the company is at The
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: Points Guy. The Points Guy is our website. We have
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: a daily. I write a weekly newsletter where we break
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: down all the best deals and tips.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're going to tell us when you get
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: a glimpse of Taylor with a bump.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. That's some juicy scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: for it? This exclusive place that Dad has connections with.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: They have more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch.
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  Speaker 5: What's it called?
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: It's Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 5: Where?
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 3: There's an accent on the E. Do you mean.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 2: Lift? Please.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.