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Out on the Veranda with Vincent Grashaw · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: This is Jess Weixler and Jennifer Predaker and you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 6: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 7: Provide more cooling in the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 8: I was fighting back. Who ever told you to fight back?
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  Speaker 9: Looks like I'm running late again.
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  Speaker 8: As it waits, it's all concrete.
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  Speaker 1: Keep the beat. Always somewhere to go.
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  Speaker 6: Nowhere to be.
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  Speaker 9: I'm looking for my flyover stick. Those backyards and great lakes.
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  Speaker 8: I gotta take it easy now.
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  Speaker 9: Kentucky, Missouri, Illinois, Ohio, the red ones, the blue ones.
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  Speaker 8: The places that I know.
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  Speaker 9: Look up the way you've gone, the way you've been
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  Speaker 9: away from. I'm in a flower stand I found.
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  Speaker 8: I'm in a flower.
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  Speaker 1: Stand I found.
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  Speaker 8: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 10: I'm Jacqueline.
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  Speaker 8: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 8: the outskirts of the Flyover Film Festival. We just left.
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  Speaker 8: It's pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 9: Yep.
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  Speaker 11: What do you call this venue that we're in? It's
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  Speaker 11: very glamorous.
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  Speaker 12: I mean.
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  Speaker 11: The red carpet basically went straight from the Kentucky Center
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  Speaker 11: of the Arts all the way to.
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  Speaker 8: All the way to the Meltdown Machine?
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  Speaker 11: The Meltdown Machine.
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  Speaker 8: We took this on a road trip. Quite a few
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  Speaker 8: at this point. Yeah. This has become an instrumental part
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  Speaker 8: of the Meltdown Machine, as it is the Meltdown Machine.
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  Speaker 11: Meltdown Mobile?
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  Speaker 3: The MM?
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  Speaker 13: The Meltdown Machine.
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  Speaker 8: It's going to be in our wacky adventures in our comics.
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  Speaker 8: I'm still getting that. I'm finding a new artist, although
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  Speaker 8: the last artist who did our last comic book has
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  Speaker 8: resurfaced lately, so maybe I can find a way to
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  Speaker 8: sucker him into doing another issue. He's behind on issue two,
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  Speaker 8: but We do have the Meltdown comic. But I've got
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  Speaker 8: another one I'm going to try to pitch like a
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  Speaker 8: different idea. His is post-apocalyptic. This one I want to
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  Speaker 8: get more of a Scooby-Doo vibe in the Meltdown machine.
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  Speaker 8: I want to be like solving mysteries and shit. So
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  Speaker 8: I think that's the way to go.
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  Speaker 11: Smoking doobies?
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  Speaker 12: No.
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  Speaker 8: I saw the movie. That's not what they're doing. We'd
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  Speaker 8: be back there and smoke would be rolling out, but
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  Speaker 8: we'd have like a hibachi or something and we'd be
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  Speaker 8: back there making food because they just ate a lot.
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  Speaker 8: That's what they were doing.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, they were just smoking stuff. Just smoking meat, not
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  Speaker 11: smoking doobies.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, James Gunn would not do that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 8: All right, so all that aside, so far been a
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  Speaker 8: pretty impressive festival, as expected. Always kind of is, but
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  Speaker 8: this year the lineup is pretty damned impressive. So I
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  Speaker 8: have to give credit where credit is due. I looked
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  Speaker 8: at it this year and I went, these are things
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  Speaker 8: I would see anyway, if I wasn't, you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 8: you end up at a film festival and you see
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  Speaker 8: something cause it's the film festival. But most of this,
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  Speaker 8: I was just like, I'll, I would be watching these
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  Speaker 8: at home on back in the day. I would have
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  Speaker 8: rented them at Wild and Wooly, but now I probably
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  Speaker 8: have to stream them from some fancy service. And That's
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  Speaker 8: where I got my cool indie art movies. But now
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  Speaker 8: they've actually delivered all of them this year in this lineup.
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  Speaker 8: And kind of ahead of most people. Because the one
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  Speaker 8: I'm about to tell you about just premiered at the
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  Speaker 8: LA Film Festival. And then it came here. So I
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  Speaker 8: think we're the second showing, literally. I don't think he's
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  Speaker 8: done any other festivals and hasn't shown it to anyone else.
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  Speaker 11: Flyover is basically South by Southwest now.
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  Speaker 8: Just saying.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 8: We'll show you. Anyway, so I did, in the middle
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  Speaker 8: of all this crazy festival goings on, sit down and
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  Speaker 8: talked with the director. He is Vincent Grishaw, the director
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  Speaker 8: of And Then I Go, which is the one that
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  Speaker 8: just premiered at Los Angeles Film Festival a few weeks back.
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  Speaker 8: So I did. Didn't know what to think going into it.
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  Speaker 8: I'm actually trying to keep everything in our conversation kind
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  Speaker 8: of not overly spoilery. I mean, not that there's a...
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  Speaker 8: It's more of a tone piece than worrying about spoilers exactly,
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  Speaker 8: but I guess there is a way to look at
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  Speaker 8: the end after the fact. So, yeah, we don't really
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  Speaker 8: ruin anything. We just kind of give you what the
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  Speaker 8: premise is here. But, yeah, we're going to talk about again,
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  Speaker 8: him getting into the industry of the second person born
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  Speaker 8: in Los Angeles in a row, kind of. So that
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  Speaker 8: was interesting too. Just usually everyone head that way. And right.
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  Speaker 8: I've had two in a row now that were born
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  Speaker 8: in the middle of it. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 11: How usually they're just trying to get out.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. Or do anything that's not that business. So yeah, it's,
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  Speaker 8: it's interesting that still, you know, when you're supposed to
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  Speaker 8: be an artist, you're supposed to be an artist. Even
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  Speaker 8: if you're born right in the middle of the biggest
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  Speaker 8: weird entertainment industry, there is like, You can't fight it.
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  Speaker 8: It's where you're supposed to be. So we will learn
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  Speaker 8: how he made his way through all of that right now.
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  Speaker 8: And by the way, we are in the vicinity of
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  Speaker 8: even this festival we're at right now when we're doing this.
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  Speaker 8: But we met up and decided, hey, it was actually
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  Speaker 8: noisier in the hotel where he was at. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 8: there's crazy music. So I'm like, okay, it's not too
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  Speaker 8: bad heat-wise outside. And he's like, okay, let's sit outside.
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  Speaker 8: Then the cars go by and there's a plane overhead.
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  Speaker 8: So it's ambiance, guys. You'll just get to experience the
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  Speaker 8: whole fun thing.
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  Speaker 11: Just like this film.
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  Speaker 8: Like I did. So, yeah, you'll be immersed.
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  Speaker 14: It's a tone piece.
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  Speaker 8: Immersed in what's going on around us. But I'll try
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  Speaker 8: to clean it up as best I can.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 8: If not, you'll feel.
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  Speaker 10: They'll like it dirty.
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  Speaker 8: That's you. I'm not going to tell you what you
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  Speaker 8: need to do.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways.
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  Speaker 8: So we will hear all about that and more right now. Kentucky, Missouri, Illinois, Ohio.
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  Speaker 9: The red ones, the blue ones, the places that I know.
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  Speaker 14: Look up to.
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  Speaker 9: Where you're going, where you've been, where you're from. I'm
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  Speaker 9: in a flower stand I found. I'm in a flower
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  Speaker 9: stand I found.
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  Speaker 2: In a flower.
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  Speaker 8: It's interesting because I just... kind of had a similar
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  Speaker 8: conversation because i usually start off and kind of start
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  Speaker 8: at the very beginning and find out how people got
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  Speaker 8: to you know not just the career of filmmaking but
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  Speaker 8: also the place los angeles.
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  Speaker 3: When you're born there how does that change it i
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  Speaker 3: mean does.
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  Speaker 8: That change your childhood do you have different like way
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  Speaker 8: of looking at film overall and then especially the industry.
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  Speaker 10: No, I, I, I actually think, you know, I grew
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  Speaker 10: up in the Valley, which, uh, the San Fernando Valley,
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  Speaker 10: which is pretty much the Northwest part of it. It's
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  Speaker 10: very suburbs. It could have been, might as well have
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  Speaker 10: been the Bay area, like the Danville, California, or, I mean,
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  Speaker 10: it had a very suburban feel and, uh, I think
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  Speaker 10: if you ever go to L.A., for the most part,
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  Speaker 10: when you meet people from there, most people are not
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  Speaker 10: in the business at all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I do.
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  Speaker 10: Most of my friends growing up and the people I
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  Speaker 10: know growing up, they have nothing to do with the industry.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think in terms of, you know, for
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  Speaker 3: some reason, L.A.
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  Speaker 10: Giving you a one-up on the business somehow I don't
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  Speaker 10: think is necessarily accurate because, you know, what got me
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  Speaker 10: into it is just watching movies.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Writing on my own, very, very young, I think I
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  Speaker 10: started really kind of ripping off other movies and writing scripts.
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  Speaker 3: Like everyone kind of does. In junior high. What were
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  Speaker 3: your big movies at that point, like early on?
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  Speaker 10: You know, I mean, it's funny. There's a specific age
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  Speaker 10: for me that I think about a lot of being
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  Speaker 10: the most impressionable years of.
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  Speaker 3: Creativity, I guess.
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  Speaker 10: And so I think I was around 30. think the
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  Speaker 10: movies and the things that I was watching from 13
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  Speaker 10: to 18 years old were the movies that I'll remember forever.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Not even my favorite movies, but the ones.
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  Speaker 3: I think we all kind of fall into that, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, there's ones that I look back on from
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  Speaker 8: that period, and I'm like, these aren't even great, but
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  Speaker 8: they were so monumental to me.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Like, yeah.
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  Speaker 10: They really stick with you, and especially when you start
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  Speaker 10: to kind of take creativity a little more serious, you know,
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  Speaker 10: there's movies that I just... that kind of made their,
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  Speaker 10: you know, footprint on my own aesthetics, you know?
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  Speaker 3: And so.
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  Speaker 10: I guess the only thing is you just get better
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  Speaker 10: at it as you keep doing it, if you stick
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  Speaker 10: with it, you know?
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  Speaker 3: So which ones, I guess some of the big ones.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, which movies?
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: Well, one that always comes to mind for me is
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  Speaker 10: this movie. It's a Spike Lee movie, which is called
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  Speaker 10: He Got Game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: And, again, it's not even, I wouldn't say, the best
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  Speaker 10: movie out there. It's one of my favorite Spike Lee movies,
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  Speaker 10: but it just was the first time I think that
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  Speaker 10: music and cinematography... kind of got into my subconscious without
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  Speaker 10: even realizing it and just kind of really, you know.
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  Speaker 3: It hit me. Had you already seen his earlier stuff? No,
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of it. Because it's funny, that's not
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  Speaker 3: usually everyone's go-to. Right.
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  Speaker 8: Either, I guess if you're really old school, it's like,
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  Speaker 8: you know, the first weird indie short in.
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  Speaker 3: Black and white.
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  Speaker 8: So it's like, or then everybody goes to do the
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  Speaker 8: right thing. Do the right thing or get on the bus.
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  Speaker 8: It's kind of good, yeah, coming in at a different point.
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  Speaker 8: For him, he's a little more polished at that point, too.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, and it's just, you know, I think when that
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  Speaker 10: came out, I was in my late teens, but really
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  Speaker 10: started loving movies and understanding filmmaking technique a little bit more,
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  Speaker 10: or thinking I did, you know? But, yeah, that's one
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  Speaker 10: that came to mind. A lot of movies that deal with,
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  Speaker 10: I think, friendships and kids, the movie Kids had a heavy...
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  Speaker 10: imprint on.
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  Speaker 8: A little heavy. Maybe that explains how you end up
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  Speaker 8: on your subject matter.
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  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 8: That is not a light. You know, most people are like,
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  Speaker 8: you know, kids and friends, like, goonies. It's a little
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  Speaker 8: different tone dealing with kids.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, kids, basketball diaries, seven, like, a lot of dark material.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I was certainly watching that, too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: But then, like, bigger movies, like, I remember Saving Private
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  Speaker 10: Ryan and The Thin Red Line.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I had this time in my life where
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  Speaker 3: I was.
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  Speaker 10: Both my grandparents were on World War II, and it
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  Speaker 10: hit me pretty hard, those movies, in terms of, I guess,
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  Speaker 10: respecting that generation and that sacrifice. In high school, I
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  Speaker 10: had made a World War II movie and took a
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  Speaker 10: bunch of friends in the middle of nowhere with guns.
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  Speaker 3: That's a huge budget.
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  Speaker 8: When you have no budget, that's a lot more to
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  Speaker 8: deal with.
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  Speaker 3: As far as.
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  Speaker 10: outfits and weaponry and yeah but I mean in a
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  Speaker 10: way it kind of was the segue to me taking
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  Speaker 10: the business serious and kind of diving in right out
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  Speaker 10: of high school I didn't go to college so I
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  Speaker 10: yeah I didn't take that that uh route but um
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  Speaker 10: you know I I made that movie in high school
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  Speaker 10: and I spent like a weekend shooting in the middle
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  Speaker 10: of nowhere with friends and my dad as a kind
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  Speaker 10: of chaperone but you know we had world war ii
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  Speaker 10: authentic uniforms and guns and we were firing live ammunition
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  Speaker 10: and blank ammunition and Like we would shoot blank ammunition,
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  Speaker 10: blank ammunition when we shot at each other and then
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  Speaker 10: live ammunition for like shots where we were just aiming
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  Speaker 10: at nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Seems like a dangerous switch.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah. I mean, this was before like, yes, it was
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  Speaker 10: a different time. This was like the late 90s.
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  Speaker 8: This was post-Crow though. You don't mess around with that.
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  Speaker 8: Filmmakers learn the hard way. Ammo in general is a
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  Speaker 8: tough thing to deal with, but. But then I guess,
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  Speaker 8: I mean, as you're getting to that point, because that
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  Speaker 8: was going to be one of my, and I kind
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  Speaker 8: of come to that with artists of all types. I'm
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  Speaker 8: like either even like painting or whatever. I'm like the
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  Speaker 8: learning something in a school setting versus just hands-on doing
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  Speaker 8: it yourself. So I guess you've dealt with people that
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  Speaker 8: have gone through tons of film school and just learning that.
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  Speaker 8: Does it seem like, are you more pleased with the
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  Speaker 8: way you went about it?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, that was for me. You know, I
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  Speaker 10: set my, you know, in high school, I came out
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  Speaker 10: of that with a clear agenda of where I wanted
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  Speaker 10: to go and what I wanted to do and how
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  Speaker 10: I wanted to do it. And I made a lot
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  Speaker 10: of mistakes along the way. I got burned a lot.
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  Speaker 10: I got screwed over a lot. I learned a lot
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  Speaker 10: about contracts. And there are a lot of, you know,
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  Speaker 10: facades in this business of people that are, you know,
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  Speaker 10: you just go through a lot when you go that
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  Speaker 10: route where you're not necessarily protected and you don't have
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  Speaker 10: a circle of people you can trust yet. Um, but
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  Speaker 10: to me that was essentially my school. Um, I know
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  Speaker 10: a lot of people that went to film school and, um,
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  Speaker 10: you know, I, that have great careers as well. So it's,
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  Speaker 10: I think it's just what, you know, what's best for you. And, um,
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  Speaker 10: you know, I didn't have any relationships in the business and, uh,
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  Speaker 10: through family. I didn't have like those sort of connections, uh,
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  Speaker 10: So I just made them my own. I pursued trying
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  Speaker 10: to make movies and projects. Like I said, it just
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  Speaker 10: kind of after X amount of years started snowballing and
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  Speaker 10: getting a little bit easier. It's still always difficult, but yeah.
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  Speaker 10: I think it depends on the person.
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  Speaker 8: Early on at that point, I suppose, you're doing a
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  Speaker 8: lot of short films. How do you approach short films
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  Speaker 8: versus your features? Because it is one of those... Do
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  Speaker 8: you think it's just a stepping stone? Because it's so
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  Speaker 8: rare that I ever see established filmmakers go back and
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  Speaker 8: make short films.
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  Speaker 3: And I kind of wish they would because it's its
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  Speaker 3: own thing.
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  Speaker 10: You know what's interesting is I think there are a
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  Speaker 10: lot of filmmakers starting to do short films just on
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  Speaker 10: the side now. Just to do it. Because there's a
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  Speaker 10: market now. There's a little more of a market.
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  Speaker 3: You can just dump it on the internet if all
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  Speaker 3: you want to do is make it for the sake
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  Speaker 3: of making it.
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  Speaker 10: Right. And it's, you know, there's something to say about
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  Speaker 10: a short film sort of story.
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  Speaker 3: It's its own art. Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: You know, I did make some shorts, and I do
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  Speaker 10: think it's a way to learn. Like, it really was. Like,
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  Speaker 10: I made a lot of, you know, you see your
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  Speaker 10: body of work, and you're just like, man, you know,
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  Speaker 10: I look back at some of the stuff I did.
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  Speaker 10: I'm like, that is garbage, or I would do this differently, or,
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  Speaker 10: you know. At least that lasts. I think everybody looks
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  Speaker 10: back and goes, oh, wouldn't have done that now. Yeah, but,
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  Speaker 10: you know, it definitely offers a perspective at the end
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  Speaker 10: of the day when you look at it, and you're like, well,
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  Speaker 10: you're growing, and you're changing, and Even the movie I
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  Speaker 10: just did, I see things in it that.
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  Speaker 3: I would do differently. Which I think that's good.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, that just means you're still a developing artist
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  Speaker 8: and you should always want to be. Like, if you
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  Speaker 8: get so set in your ways that you're like, eh,
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  Speaker 8: it's fine.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 8: And you wouldn't ever want to readjust.
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  Speaker 3: Things as you go on. It's like, that's probably just lazy.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, it's good that everyone.
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  Speaker 10: I think there's a misconception in thinking, you know, you're
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  Speaker 10: ever going to make the perfect movie. The flaws actually offer...
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  Speaker 10: I produced a movie called Bellflower a few years back.
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  Speaker 10: Talk about a movie with flaws and rawness that actually
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  Speaker 10: transcends in the indie film world back then. It did.
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  Speaker 10: It offered a lot of opportunities after that.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 8: One of the things I was going to head into, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: I guess, how did that come together? At what point
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  Speaker 8: were you involved? Was it from the get-go you were
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: involved with everyone?
• 17:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so essentially, you know, after high school, I was
• 17:41
  Speaker 10: actually trying to get a feature that I wrote made
• 17:44
  Speaker 10: and had a lot of ups and downs over the years.
• 17:46
  Speaker 10: I'd say about eight years or so of the ups
• 17:50
  Speaker 10: and downs, having it funded, having it fall apart, having
• 17:52
  Speaker 10: it funded again with name actors, having it fall apart.
• 17:55
  Speaker 10: You know, you hit this wall every time. It's just,
• 17:58
  Speaker 10: if you let it, it's really disheartening.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:01
  Speaker 10: And I had met other filmmakers on the site called
• 18:04
  Speaker 10: Trigger Street. I don't think it's around now. It was
• 18:06
  Speaker 10: Kevin Spacey's site.
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I kind of remember him talking about it at the time.
• 18:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah, 2002 it had started, and it was a place
• 18:14
  Speaker 10: where you can upload your short films or screenplays or books,
• 18:17
  Speaker 10: comics that you wrote and get feedback from other people
• 18:21
  Speaker 10: in the community.
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 18:22
  Speaker 10: And I had uploaded a short that I had made.
• 18:25
  Speaker 10: And at the same time, I saw this other short
• 18:29
  Speaker 10: that a friend of mine, Evan Glodel, made. And I
• 18:33
  Speaker 10: watched it and I reached out to him.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I watched your short. It was crazy.
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: He lived in North Hollywood. And so we kind of
• 18:42
  Speaker 10: just started talking and linked up. And I think that
• 18:45
  Speaker 10: was in 2004. And just became friends. And made some
• 18:49
  Speaker 10: stuff together. And then A few years later, he had Bellflower,
• 18:55
  Speaker 10: the script he had written, and wanted to make it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 10: And so kind of dove in trying to find a
• 19:03
  Speaker 10: little bit of money. And that was a movie that
• 19:06
  Speaker 10: we made for just under $ 20, 000. But it was never
• 19:09
  Speaker 10: like we had $ 20, 000. It was like, oh, we have $ 3, 000.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: We got $ 1, 500.
• 19:13
  Speaker 10: We did some work to get another $ 5, 000. It was
• 19:16
  Speaker 10: a long process that we did in the summer of 2008.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Film, the most part of that movie.
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: I mean, that's one that, because it's funny, I've known
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: about that since it had a good amount of buzz
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: around it for being the independent project that it was.
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: How instrumental was that kind of getting you to that
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: next level? I mean, did it really sort of put
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: you on the map, at least in that circle?
• 19:38
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, I will say, like, when we premiered
• 19:41
  Speaker 10: that at Sundance in 2011, and so that was almost three,
• 19:46
  Speaker 10: two and a half years after we filmed it. And
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: I think what I learned and what I went through
• 19:52
  Speaker 10: over that course of time from Sundance until we came
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: out in theaters and ever since then overwhelmed the 10
• 19:59
  Speaker 10: years in that business where I thought I knew what
• 20:00
  Speaker 10: I was doing or what I was talking about.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I learned a lot.
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: I really did.
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: So it's just.
• 20:08
  Speaker 10: Another way of just education, I guess, growing in the business.
• 20:13
  Speaker 10: But I developed a lot of relationships and a lot
• 20:16
  Speaker 10: of opportunities came my way that it wasn't just, you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: being handed stuff. I took advantage of things and was
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: persistent the same way I've always been. But with a
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: sort of stamp of approval and the body of work now,
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: or at least one thing that people are like, wow, okay.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Something under your belt to be like, okay, let's.
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: Talk to this guy.
• 20:35
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: It offers a little bit of credibility that, you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: it's hard to get.
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I mean, that speaking of, you know, things dealing
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: with a lot of different stuff. I mean, there's again,
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: much like the war film, there's a lot of crazy
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: things going on in that movie. So were you prepared for,
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: I mean, I wouldn't think anything you'd made had like
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: the amount of like car chases and, you know, fire,
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: like you're dealing with a lot more.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: It is sort of a dangerous shoot, I would assume.
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: So were you guys prepared for that kind of stuff
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: being thrown at you?
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: In that and Bellflower?
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, essentially, it was the, I'd say, the
• 21:15
  Speaker 10: most down and dirty group of friends a group can
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: make a movie. I mean, borderline, you know, dangerous. I mean,
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: very dangerous.
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah. I would think so. Especially on that budget.
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: Without saying too much, you know, probably very illegal.
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: I mean, and this is pre, you know, Sarah Jones
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: and her story, you know, being hit on the train
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: tracks and killed. You know, obviously, you know, we were
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: young and we did things, you know, as a producer
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: on that film, trying to be very conscious of people
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: that are involved in safety. But I think there's this
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: sort of, you know, you're obsessed of getting something done,
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: a group of us. And we were all crazy at
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: that time and, you know, kind of just... You know, daredevils.
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: And we just didn't give a shit. We were just like,
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: you know what? We're doing this no matter what. We
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: didn't have money. We were just doing it. There's nothing
• 22:10
  Speaker 10: going to stop us. And so, you know, Evans is
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: a very, very unique, interesting filmmaker. And him and I
• 22:18
  Speaker 10: are totally different filmmakers. And so we have, I think,
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: a different process and different types of.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Movies we want to make.
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: But he was somebody I really believed in. And I
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: loved his idea with Bellflower. And so I sacrificed a
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: good amount of time doing it. But, you know, I
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: would say that that experience.
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: Jump-started a lot of my own career. And threw you
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: in the middle of a lot. I mean, you're helping
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: shoot on that one, you're editing, so it's like you've
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: got a.
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: Lot of hats all of a sudden. I was camera
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: operating at times. It was really that everyone's wearing a
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: lot of hats. And it's funny, after we came out,
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: I remember reading this, like, user review on imdb and
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: this guy who was convinced we were part of the
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: rich elite and we made bellflower for three million dollars
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: and purposely made just said we made it for 17
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: 000 and there was he was 100 convinced that was
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: impossible and it was just like man if you only
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: knew the hell we went through and how many times
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: it almost fell apart and how how dark it was
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: even up to getting into sundance it was some there
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: were some really dark days.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah um And so it's just kind of funny to me.
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: The Internet's full of a lot of people that have
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: not the most productive information or comments.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: It's good anecdotes.
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: So, yeah, I don't know. I wish people could be
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: a little more supportive. I have plenty of criticisms for people,
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: but I at least try to find the good in things.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I just looked at it as a compliment to all
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: of us. Like, wow.
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: You put $ 3 million on the screen is what he's
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: saying to you.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: That is a compliment.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Love We will be hurt But we'll be okay Love.
• 24:25
  Speaker 16: Life will be planned. We'll be okay. It's a crash
• 24:35
  Speaker 16: on the window.
• 24:38
  Speaker 14: Oh, it spreads a little more.
• 24:42
  Speaker 16: The light diffracts.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: A little more as it comes through. Oh, I say love.
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  Speaker 8: Well, then I guess getting into, you know, at that point,
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: you're moving towards Coldwater. Is that... Again, that's changing a lot.
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: So you've done short films and you've done, you know,
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: kind of working with the team on the other project,
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: but like this, how much of an adjustment is it
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: when now you're, you know, everything is on your shoulders,
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: doing a feature film that you are, you know, full-on director.
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: Right. Yeah, I mean, so Coldwater was the script that
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: I was trying to make.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: That's the early one?
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: Yeah, the early one.
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: And.
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: When it finally got financed shortly after Bellflower, it was
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: a movie that I kind of had to re-fall in
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: love with, the script at least, because I had been
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: away from it for so long. I had changed as
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: a filmmaker. As you said, that 10 years was a
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: huge change. I look at it as like if you
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: ask a musician to record an album 10 years later,
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: they're going to be like, get out of here. I
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: wanted to say that 10 years ago.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: No, thank you. I'm different. Yeah, totally different place. But
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: with movies, you're just like, well, I'm not going to
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: pass this opportunity.
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: In a way, I wanted to close that chapter in
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: my life.
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: And I looked at it that way. It's like, look,
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: I spent my young adulthood trying to make this film,
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: and here's the opportunity. But I had to kind of, again,
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: re-acclimate myself with it and.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Build that same passion I did have for it before.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: And I did.
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: Did it become a different story to tell? Did you
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: have sort of a different perspective? looking at it again
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: as you.
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: Reevaluate yeah definitely and um like i said i mean
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: it was you know the the guy who came on
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: board um really believed in it and it so it
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: just it was reinvigorated me yeah um and so yeah
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: it was also a different you know it was a
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: budget It was a more structured sort of way you
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: would make an independent film to schedule that, you know,
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: 25 days or three weeks, four weeks. But, yeah, I mean,
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: we essentially made that movie in the middle of nowhere for,
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: you know, at a camp.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: It's a little more controlled.
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: Again, sometimes you look at this and you're like, okay,
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: that's a good idea for an independent film. And then
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: there's other epic stories and I'm like, oh, you guys,
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: you've made this so much harder on yourself.
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah. I mean, what I really felt with Coldwater was
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: the kind of social relevant aspect of it. And knowing
• 30:15
  Speaker 10: that a lot of reality, there's a lot of these
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: places that are out there and that exist and that really...
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: I wanted to paint that accurately, but also keep it
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: an entertaining film.
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: So it was kind of balancing that without being too preachy. Well,
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: then that was also a story that you had kind
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: of conceived, sort of based off of something, if I
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: heard correctly. So, I mean, moving forward, like you're telling
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: most of these stories are coming from, you know, they're
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: yours or you're involved from the get-go on a lot
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: of these. So as you get into And Then I Go,
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: you're dealing with a preconceived story that is somebody else's property. Right.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: First off, I guess what drew you to that, that story?
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah, no, that's a good question. I mean, um, and
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: then I go, came my way, uh, through the producers.
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: They had been trying to make that for, I think
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: since 2010. And, uh, I had met them at the,
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: I think around Bellflower at Sundance. Uh, so I'd known
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: them for like six years. Um, I had, I read
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: a lot of true crime books. I'm a big fan
• 31:19
  Speaker 10: of true crime and it's another passion of mine. If
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: I wasn't making movies, I probably would have been like a,
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: tried to be a homicide detective or something in forensic investigation.
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: Super detailed work either way.
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: I just love it. And, um, so I had done
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: a lot of reading on, um, Columbine and, and, and
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: school shootings. Um, cause I was a senior in high
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: school when Columbine happened. And, um, you know, so when, uh,
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: when they had told me about, and then I go
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: and they, uh, just secured the financing and they were
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: looking for a director, uh, I just basically was like, yeah,
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: send me the book and the script. It was funny
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: because Rebecca Green, one of the producers, was like, yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: I'll send it to you tomorrow.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: It was kind of late.
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: I'm like, no, send it to me now. She's like, okay.
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: She sent it to me and I read it the
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: next day. I think what really struck me is that
• 32:14
  Speaker 10: obviously there has been movies that have tried to tackle
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: this subject in different perspectives. But this one, I felt
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: if there were any sort of There is no single
• 32:23
  Speaker 10: answer to these tragedies. But if there was something that
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: offered some sort of insight, I felt the book really
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: nailed it. Because it stripped away a lot of cliches
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: and a lot of things in movies that you would
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: see that would blame something.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Singular.
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: And being able to change the perspective for people. Because
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: it's so horrible. But at the same time, they got
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: to that point for a reason. It's not like just
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: one day they woke up and decided to do it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, it is.
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: a building.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Because I always kind of see that. People are just.
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: Immediately damning everything about that person. I'm like, yes, what
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: they did is horrible, but there's outside forces that came
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: into play. It doesn't excuse their actions, but it definitely
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: shaped that person and made them susceptible to go down
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: that road. Just giving people even a window into that
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: is kind of hard to do.
• 33:17
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 33:18
  Speaker 10: It's definitely a balancing act because you don't want to
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: glamorize it you don't want to you want to consider
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: people that families and victims and because essentially and then
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: i go as a movie that really focuses on the
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: two perpetrators and um you know humanizes them and it
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: kind of refuses to paint them as just uh an
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: evil person or a monster because for me that was
• 33:41
  Speaker 10: critical um and also tackling that age where you know
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: I don't know if you remember Junior High very well,
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: but this movie.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I still don't like it.
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it takes place in Junior High.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Back on it now, I don't like it. Yeah, 14
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: years old.
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: And, you know, I remember it vividly, what I experienced
• 33:57
  Speaker 10: in Junior High. I wasn't necessarily bullied, but I observed
• 33:59
  Speaker 10: a lot.
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: It's funny. Yesterday, I was out in the world, and, like,
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: it's still... It's been a long damn time since I've
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: been in school. I still see the back-to-school sale signs
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: go up, and it gives me... It just.
• 34:13
  Speaker 10: Creeps me out. I still hate Sunday nights.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: It creeps me out.
• 34:16
  Speaker 10: Today is Sunday, and I always have this uncomfortable feeling
• 34:19
  Speaker 10: on Sunday night. Yeah, I don't have school. I don't
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: do that. Yeah, I'm right there with you, man. It's
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: weird how it's in your brain.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: It's just embedded. It's ingrained in your head. Again, a
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: lot of damage is done.
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: As much as you're developing in a good way at
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: that point, all of the things that end up going
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: wrong with you are probably seeded right there.
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: It's getting worse. And the thing with these two kids
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: in the movie is, Sure, the movie, from a plot perspective,
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: is about a school shooting. But we dive really into,
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: I think, what the power of friendship is at that age.
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: And just how the stakes are so high, but your
• 34:59
  Speaker 10: world is only that big. And you don't know a
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: lot of things. And parents and teachers, they tend to
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: think kids are going to figure it out. Or, okay,
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: it's a tough time right now. Or just even like, man,
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: in a few years, don't worry. You're going to have
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: nothing to worry about. It's fine. You're going to be okay.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: It will get better.
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: They can't grasp that.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: Again, you're immersed in it so much that your life
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: is a nightmare and there will never be any.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: You're a kid. There is no tomorrow. It's all. Your
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: whole life is around you and this is it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: And in a sense, stripping away all those cliches but
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: still having those elements because there are there is something
• 35:38
  Speaker 10: to say about, obviously, bullying, mental health, access to guns.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Schools in general.
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: Yeah, they all have something to do with it, but
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: the movie, I think, stripped away all that to just
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: where it was really in the mindset of these two children.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Well, and then, had you worked with younger actors before this?
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: That's its own kind of undertaking, is you're dealing with
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: main characters that are relatively young actors.
• 36:08
  Speaker 10: This was probably the most ambitious for me in terms of,
• 36:11
  Speaker 10: cause I, I, we had a lot of kids in
• 36:13
  Speaker 10: the movie and I didn't want older to play younger.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:17
  Speaker 10: We didn't want, um, you know, 18 year olds like
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: playing totally 14.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Right. You can tell.
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 36:23
  Speaker 10: So we found, you know, we, we searched extensively for
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: the two minutes, two leads. And then there was also
• 36:29
  Speaker 10: six year old, a seven year old, a 12 year old. Um,
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: there's some significant amount of roles that are, uh, are
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: young kids in this film. And so, I feel like
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: I'm good with kids, you know, just, you know.
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: But directing them is kind of different, yeah. It's like
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: even being good with kids in the real world is
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: different than making them have to be believable on screen.
• 36:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, with filmmaking with kids,
• 36:53
  Speaker 10: you have to look at it as almost a form
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: of trickery. You know, it's like The Shining. Most of
• 36:58
  Speaker 10: the time, yeah.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: The Shining, you know, the kid in The Shining didn't
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: even know he was in a horror movie.
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: And so there's ways to kind of play with that,
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: you know. It was just what made it difficult was,
• 37:08
  Speaker 10: you know, and then I go, there's these dinner table
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: scenes with parents and a kid and they may go
• 37:16
  Speaker 10: on for three to four minutes.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: And the kid only has a line every so often. Right.
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: The six year old. And so then you're just like
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: you get distracted and they, you know, they they just
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: kind of start looking at camera. You just have to
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: find ways to kind of. piece it all together. So
• 37:30
  Speaker 10: my armpits were sweating a lot during those scenes.
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: That becomes the editing game. Okay, we've got one good
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: shot of him not looking at the camera.
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: It doesn't necessarily play like, oh, let's do a whole
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: take of this scene. It's going to be like, no,
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: you're piecemealing a lot. So it's a little stressful, but
• 37:47
  Speaker 10: the two leads in our movie, Armand Darbeau and Sawyer Barth, are.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: It would take me an hour to kind of explain
• 37:54
  Speaker 10: how brilliant they are. Well, Armin's not.
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: Your normal kid actor or kid in general, like looking
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: at just a little of his story. Like he's already
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: lived more of a life than most grownups.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 38:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah. Well, yeah, he just speaks four languages. He's lived
• 38:10
  Speaker 10: in China, France, Costa Rica. I mean, he's lived everywhere. Um,
• 38:16
  Speaker 10: and he brings this sort of rawness to the character and,
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: and he really still is a kid.
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 38:21
  Speaker 10: Um, Sawyer has been acting for a while and he's
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: a totally different person. And it's really interesting that that dynamic,
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: what it created on set, really helped. It just really
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: helped what I was looking for.
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: Well, that's good to have that dynamic between them. Because, again,
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: that's kind of how your friendships work anyway. You end
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: up hooking up with people that aren't necessarily just like you.
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: It is some sort of weird, you balance out something
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: that I kind of need at this point.
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: Right. I mean, and go back to friendship, like these
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: kids in the movie are supposed to have been friends
• 38:53
  Speaker 10: since they were like five years old.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: And that's another thing.
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: When you hit these awkward ages in middle school, you
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: your voice is changing. His isn't or, you know, you're
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: just growing and you don't know why. And you're kind
• 39:04
  Speaker 10: of still grasping for the friendship of old. And there's
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: something inevitable about growing apart and.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: How devastating that is.
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: Most of the time it happens and we don't want.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: We don't not only.
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: Want that to happen, we don't even know that it's
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: going to happen really. It's like we still all go
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: into that thinking we're going to be friends forever. And
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: like sometimes there's a reason you have to grow apart
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: even more than just, oh, we went to different schools.
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: Like you do end up going down different paths like mentally.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: and developmentally that changes.
• 39:32
  Speaker 10: Everything i mean the movie reminded me a lot of
• 39:36
  Speaker 10: my in high school you know i had you know
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: best friend that i was really really close with and
• 39:43
  Speaker 10: there was kind of there was a falling out and
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: even at in high school it was I wasn't an adult,
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: like 18 or over, but I think adults go through
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: these sort of friendships and loss like that. That is
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: as devastating. But if you imagine coming from a kid's perspective,
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: it's like your world.
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: I think by the time you hit, especially well into adulthood,
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: you don't latch on to anybody that level. So I
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: think you can just be like, oh yeah, we were
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: friends and then it kind of drifted apart and we
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: got different things going on. But when you're a kid,
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: that best friend is maybe your only friend.
• 40:17
  Speaker 17: Right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Everything in your world is wrapped up in their existence.
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: So if there's a falling out like that, like, yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: it devastates your whole, from that point on the rest
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: of your life.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:27
  Speaker 10: I mean, in that sort of bond and that connection
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: for two kids that are doing something so intimate, like
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: planning a shooting, it has the power to drag you
• 40:37
  Speaker 10: along into something that deep down you know is wrong.
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: And so it's definitely, um, the power of friendship just
• 40:46
  Speaker 10: really spoke to me in the book.
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: Well, and then back to this being a different property,
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: how different is it having to tell someone else's story?
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: And I mean, it's not like this is a writer
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: who's no longer around. He's still out there working. So
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: do you feel sort of you hold in to try
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: to live up to something he was doing in the
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: novel or in the screenplay or like it's, it changes
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: hands a few times, but it's still sort of originally
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: belongs to, to do.
• 41:12
  Speaker 10: Well, luckily the script was very close to the book.
• 41:15
  Speaker 10: And I had a lot of conversation. And the book
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: is very simple. It's not like a 500-page, 1,000-page novel.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: It's a very simple type book that was very intimate.
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: And so in talking to Jim Shepard, the author of
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: the novel, when I was campaigning to get this gig,
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: I flew out to New York and met with him
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: and talked a lot about what I would like to
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: do with it. And we were in sync. And so, um,
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: there was, he trusted me a lot in the co-writer,
• 41:47
  Speaker 10: Brett Haley. Um, I didn't get to talk to him
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: too much. He was doing another movie, but, um, you know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: luckily they entrusted me. Um, and coming on board, I
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: did take a different stance on the sort of collaborative
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: effort since I did not, it was, I didn't bring
• 42:04
  Speaker 10: the script together. I didn't write it. It wasn't my
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: baby from the start. I took that into consideration, you know, basically, um,
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: Even with the producers, Rebecca and Laura, I.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Wanted them to understand this was as much theirs as
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: it is mine.
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: I don't want to take it away from you and
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: do something that you weren't intending.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: And I think by the time I was hired, we
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: were all on the same page anyway.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: So it was more of just a partnership between a
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: group that we're all very passionate about it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 42:38
  Speaker 10: Because when I get on board, I throw myself 100%
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: in and obviously do all the work that I need
• 42:42
  Speaker 10: to do.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: To get anything made at this point, you kind of
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: have to, yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, along that line, you've... These last... Definitely these
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: last two films, you've also... And probably, you know, Bellflower
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: before that. You've gotten thrown into the middle of the
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: film festival circuit and world. I mean, it is kind
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: of its own little existence. So.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: How well have you taken.
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: To that life? Because it is a nonstop as we're
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: in the middle of now. It's like it's sort of
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: a weird thing to be thrown.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: In the middle of. I love film festivals. I truly do.
• 43:15
  Speaker 10: I mean, they're one of my favorite aspects of, you know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: after finishing your film, you're just like, oh, now I
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: can relax. I get to meet people, show them your
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: body of work and travel. And hopefully, you know, Coldwater
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: and Bellflower, I get to travel a lot and just
• 43:30
  Speaker 10: share that. It's just amazing. Like I said, you have
• 43:35
  Speaker 10: a lot of fun. It's one of those things I
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: think I really look forward to. Because the process of
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: making a film is really, really tough.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: A year ago, I was in Louisville in pre-production.
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: It's good to be back and be in Louisville and
• 43:56
  Speaker 10: share it with a big audience.
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: How well do you take to Again, because you kind
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: of have to go with wherever works. I mean, how
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: has that process expanded for you? It's like you've gotten
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: more and more schooled in it, like the producer end
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: of it of like, okay, now how do I shoot
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: this and how do I find the right place to
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: shoot this?
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: Right, in terms of location? I mean, I think just
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: in talking to the producers, we obviously wanted to do
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: it somewhere that felt, you know, middle America, timeless, like
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: not really focused on an individual also.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Setting like we didn't want to say where it necessarily.
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: Was but also from a business standpoint you know as
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: being a producer i understand like you want to shoot
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: in an incentivized state to get a rebate or what
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: it's come to yeah yeah um and so yeah louisville
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: has a really healthy one and um it was very
• 44:50
  Speaker 10: early on i think in in in their program so
• 44:53
  Speaker 10: you know i think we we looked at a few
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: but this.
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: Was the one ultimately that one won us over Yeah.
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: They've really been pushing hard these last several years of
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: trying to get us. So we've always had like, I
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: think a film fan base here and a handful of
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: like really talented filmmakers that are still living here, but
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: they always had to kind of go somewhere else and
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: do it most of the time because we hadn't really
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: gotten to the next level to kind of get the
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: mechanics going where we're really pushing for that.
• 45:19
  Speaker 10: Yeah. I think like you guys are going to turn
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: into hopefully like the new Louisiana, Georgia kind of thing.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Ohio is doing well.
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, Atlanta's moved to a point that
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: I don't think anybody could have seen.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: It's ridiculous now how many things shoot there and like
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: the level of, you know, Marvel moving in there and
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: be like, all right, well, we're taking over your town now.
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: It's yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: I love on location.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: I would prefer to shoot somewhere else. Yeah.
• 45:45
  Speaker 10: Every movie, just because there's, there's a difference with like
• 45:48
  Speaker 10: the crew in, in terms of like building a family
• 45:51
  Speaker 10: and being stuck together somewhere and making something opposed to
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: everyone going home in LA and, You know, and just
• 45:57
  Speaker 10: kind of going about their day like it's a job job.
• 46:00
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's so important to kind of just build that.
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: It creates a different experience too. Like you're just, that
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: is a time and place that it's there and it's gone.
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: And like, so those people you may never work with again,
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: like that location you might never get to.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Go back to again.
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: Totally.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Very accurate.
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: Well, then again, looking at these, definitely these last two,
• 46:21
  Speaker 8: as I said earlier, it's super serious subject matter. Is that,
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: do you feel that's your wheelhouse or do you want
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: to do like, are you okay with doing a comedy.
• 46:29
  Speaker 10: Or like a weird genre movie? I'm, you know, I'm
• 46:33
  Speaker 10: always open to just what I, what script I respond to.
• 46:37
  Speaker 10: So yeah, I hope deep down somewhere there's like a,
• 46:40
  Speaker 10: a PG or a love.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Story somewhere in there.
• 46:43
  Speaker 10: Um, I don't write a lot, so I like to
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: read other people's stuff and fall in love with it. So, yeah.
• 46:52
  Speaker 10: I mean, I'm picky in a way that it has
• 46:55
  Speaker 10: to be something I really respond to right away. And
• 46:59
  Speaker 10: my next movie that I'm going to direct is a
• 47:01
  Speaker 10: horror movie. So horror thriller is much different than anything
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: I've done. But one that I'm very, very excited about
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: because elevated horror right now is doing really well. yeah
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: um elevated just meaning this sort of mature restraint uh it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: Hit like a weird self-aware phase that was refreshing at
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: the time but it's funny then everything became that in
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: like these last 10 years there is this new like
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: going back to the basics of like what makes it
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: horror and like kind of defining why a really good
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: solid thriller or horror movie is what it is and
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: just essential like things that work and i.
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: Think like you can have a movie that isn't conventional
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: horror like it's not blumhouse it's not um you know
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: slasher movie it's not gore torture porn to me horror
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: doesn't even need to be scary in the same sense
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: it could it doesn't even need to be most of
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: the movie you could still call a movie a horror
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: movie if it if it terrifies you and it doesn't
• 48:03
  Speaker 10: you know it doesn't mean ghost or supernatural a.
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: Perfect example lately is get out I mean, it's sort
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: of more thriller, but by the end, it's pretty horror.
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: It's almost more of a Twilight Zone episode.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: It's just like, this is weird, and I'm.
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: Not 100% sure why yet.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: And you get midway, and you're like, oh, no, this
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: is horrible. So that's one of those, yeah, he found
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: a great idea. It comes at night.
• 48:25
  Speaker 10: That was a good example of just how paranoia can
• 48:30
  Speaker 10: get in your head. It follows the Babadook, the witch.
• 48:34
  Speaker 10: I mean, those are all, I think, movies that are
• 48:36
  Speaker 10: really doing well right now. because they're just really smart
• 48:42
  Speaker 10: and they trust the audience is going to, you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: get it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: I think it also, I mean, and thinking about them,
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: like these are all pretty limited budget too. So thinking
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: this is almost like the business perspective, which I guess
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: kicked in years ago with paranormal activity of like, you
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: don't need a ton of money to make a ton
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: of money. If you have a good story to tell
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: or a good way to tell it, that's.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: A little different. So no, exactly. I hope it's encouraging
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: better films to come out.
• 49:05
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Most definitely.
• 49:08
  Speaker 10: I mean, so, yeah, I mean, in terms of the
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: brand or wheelhouse, you know, I do like working with
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: youth in.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: In in social sort of you.
• 49:16
  Speaker 10: Know relevant yeah films but um you know i'm not
• 49:20
  Speaker 10: harnessed to anything really something having something to say i
• 49:23
  Speaker 10: can see myself doing a hopefully down the road doing
• 49:26
  Speaker 10: a even a studio movie one day and just making
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: like money that's crazy talk no i know none of
• 49:34
  Speaker 10: that yeah.
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: Well you named a few of the horror i also
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: we usually just try to talk with people about what
• 49:38
  Speaker 8: they've seen lately or what they liked have you seen
• 49:41
  Speaker 8: anything late and I guess it changes the perspective since
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: you've hit so many film festivals over the years so
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: yeah is there anything really impressive to to pass along
• 49:49
  Speaker 8: to people.
• 49:49
  Speaker 10: Oh man yes and right oh my god I had
• 49:52
  Speaker 10: it hold on well I did see it comes at
• 49:54
  Speaker 10: night um I've seen I've seen a lot of movies
• 49:57
  Speaker 10: lately at the festivals but um what was the mood
• 50:01
  Speaker 10: oh I'm gonna kill myself I don't which is it
• 50:05
  Speaker 10: uh studio or no oh I just saw the beguiled Okay, yeah.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: As well, which I really liked.
• 50:10
  Speaker 8: Again, a little independent filmmaker. She doesn't have any.
• 50:13
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: No nepotism there.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 50:16
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know what, though?
• 50:17
  Speaker 10: It's like, God bless people that have something that makes
• 50:21
  Speaker 10: filmmaking easier. Because it's hard enough as it is.
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: I just listened to a big interview with her, and
• 50:26
  Speaker 8: she doesn't see that at all. So that's not the
• 50:29
  Speaker 8: perspective she's coming from. So I do totally respect whatever
• 50:32
  Speaker 8: she makes. It's weird, I guess, for the rest of
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: the guys on the outside. They're just like, yeah, but...
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: But she's so talented. Like, I do love seeing that
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: she's sticking with it. It wasn't like a one-off. Because
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: even in the beginning, she said it wasn't what she
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: wanted to be. Like, that was Dad's thing, and I
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: don't want to worry about that.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: And, like, it just... She loved that novel and made,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: you know... Virgin Suicide. Virgin Suicide. There we go. And
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I was like, then she, like, yeah, it became a passion.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: But it was, like, one of those.
• 50:59
  Speaker 8: She wasn't ever really trying to... leech off of something
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: that he'd done. So I do like watching this expansion as,
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: as you know, she, she gets older and a more
• 51:08
  Speaker 8: mature filmmaker.
• 51:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah. I mean, I, yeah, I like her movies. Um, I, I,
• 51:13
  Speaker 10: you know, I try and see, see them when they
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: come out. Um, you know, yeah, it's, I guess, you know,
• 51:19
  Speaker 10: cause a lot of people, there's kind of an elephant in,
• 51:22
  Speaker 10: in the room with, with filmmakers that have the luxury
• 51:26
  Speaker 10: of making films one year and just being able to
• 51:29
  Speaker 10: pop it out. And, I don't think that anyone should
• 51:32
  Speaker 10: be ashamed of that. Like, you know, if you're in
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: that situation, great. Like you're lucky than most people, but, um,
• 51:39
  Speaker 10: just keep doing it and then help others. I mean,
• 51:42
  Speaker 10: I try and really make a habit to, if there's
• 51:44
  Speaker 10: ever something to help other filmmakers to, to do that
• 51:48
  Speaker 10: because I went through the struggle. I was still, I'm still,
• 51:53
  Speaker 10: you know, building my own career and it's, it's hard.
• 51:55
  Speaker 10: So that's all I can say about that.
• 51:59
  Speaker 8: And yeah, it's almost like, it's almost an insult if
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: you have the opportunity to keep putting out, you know,
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: if you're making good movies and then you're just like, nah,
• 52:06
  Speaker 8: you know, so, I mean, if you have those opportunities, yeah,
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: definitely keep putting out good film, like, and help other people.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Totally agree.
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: Then, I guess, you mentioned you've got new projects. Is
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: it something you get too far ahead on or is
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: it one of those you can't, you just kind of
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: have to focus on the next thing because you're so, like,
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: as a filmmaker, it's so weird because the thing you
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: made a year ago or, four years ago, sometimes you're
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: still working on promotion for while you have to be
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: prepping for the next one or maybe the next two
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: for some people. So it's like, how overwhelming is all
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: that or how.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Do you balance it out?
• 52:42
  Speaker 10: I mean, I wish it was overwhelming where I'm just like, oh,
• 52:44
  Speaker 10: I have to be here. I'm shooting too many things
• 52:47
  Speaker 10: coming my way. Too much money being thrown at me.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no. I have to turn down funding. Yeah, no.
• 52:53
  Speaker 10: You know, I come from a place where it's like,
• 52:56
  Speaker 10: you know, my next film is my baby right now.
• 52:59
  Speaker 10: I didn't write it. I acquired the rights to a
• 53:02
  Speaker 10: couple of years back and I'm just, I really believe
• 53:06
  Speaker 10: in it. And so I'm obsessed with it. You have
• 53:07
  Speaker 10: to be obsessed and almost selfish about it. I'm not
• 53:10
  Speaker 10: the type that can just throw 10 things on the wall,
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: see what sticks and go with one of them.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Like my heart's in one place right now.
• 53:16
  Speaker 10: I do have a couple other things that I'm developing
• 53:19
  Speaker 10: and they're in early stages or scripts that have come
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: my way that I can see myself directing. And not
• 53:25
  Speaker 10: to say that it couldn't move in front of my
• 53:29
  Speaker 10: next movie, But my heart is still with that. And
• 53:32
  Speaker 10: so for right now, that's where I'm focusing all my
• 53:34
  Speaker 10: time and attention on. But, you know, not to say
• 53:37
  Speaker 10: that something else can, you know, jump that. With that balancing, again.
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: Especially you being that focused on, is it harder to
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: be like, okay, I want to focus on this movie.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I want to do it.
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: Oh, wait, I have to go promote this thing that
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: I made before. Like, does it take you out of?
• 53:52
  Speaker 10: Not really. Not really. You can back up a year
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: and a half, two years. Well, because, you know, we're
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: here in Louisville and, you know, we're playing tonight. I'm
• 54:00
  Speaker 10: here for pretty much the week. And, you know, I'll
• 54:03
  Speaker 10: be in my hotel room a lot. So you're just.
• 54:06
  Speaker 8: Sitting around. This is all I do.
• 54:07
  Speaker 10: So, yeah, I could just get on my laptop and
• 54:10
  Speaker 10: do some of my other work. It doesn't really pull
• 54:12
  Speaker 10: me out.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: Well, what's the best way for people to either find
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: the new movie, to find And Then I Go, or
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: then to find out more about it if it's something
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: to look for in the future?
• 54:24
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 54:24
  Speaker 10: So, yeah, we're currently showing distributors. We've been having screenings
• 54:29
  Speaker 10: in L.A. and New York for buyers that are interested.
• 54:33
  Speaker 10: And so we're having second screenings. So, yeah, a lot
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: of people being shown it right now. And we're just
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: looking for who's got the best home and plan for
• 54:41
  Speaker 10: it because it is a delicate subject matter. It's got
• 54:43
  Speaker 10: to be handled in a way that, you know, gets
• 54:47
  Speaker 10: it out there. On the right people that want to
• 54:50
  Speaker 10: take that on. It may be more than they want
• 54:52
  Speaker 10: to deal with if it's just some random thing. yeah
• 54:55
  Speaker 10: so yeah um i don't know where that is yet
• 54:59
  Speaker 10: um you know when we do know we'll obviously let
• 55:01
  Speaker 10: you know but um yeah right now it's um we're
• 55:05
  Speaker 10: playing out here louisville we're doing we're going to be
• 55:07
  Speaker 10: doing a lot of film festivals i think abroad and
• 55:10
  Speaker 10: out in the u.s so yeah i've heard really good
• 55:12
  Speaker 10: things uh we don't have a website we don't have
• 55:16
  Speaker 10: a website on the uh yeah i'm on instagram i
• 55:20
  Speaker 10: don't i'm not barely i mean on twitter i don't
• 55:21
  Speaker 10: even think i have any followers but um That's so,
• 55:26
  Speaker 10: I know in today's society, it's another world.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: It is. I just don't have the energy to kind
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: of pursue like, oh, I need followers. I need to tag.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: I don't even hashtag. I never even do that. I
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: forget it most of the time. I've been Instagram. And
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: usually if I'm doing it, I'm doing it smart ass reasons.
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: I'm like putting something stupid in there.
• 55:42
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 55:42
  Speaker 8: Like it's not a real hashtag. It's just me making
• 55:44
  Speaker 8: the other half of my joke.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: So, yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: But, you know, yeah, I'll be, I'm on Instagram. So
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: if you. dare follow me do it. Just under your name?
• 55:54
  Speaker 10: No, yeah. Well, my name is there, but my handle
• 55:58
  Speaker 10: is Optical Railroad.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Nice. That's where you can follow me if you want to.
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: Do you get super arty about it? Or is it
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: just random day-to-day stuff?
• 56:07
  Speaker 10: It's just random stuff. I don't post very often, but
• 56:11
  Speaker 10: when I do, I kind of think it's cool. I
• 56:13
  Speaker 10: like to be kind of selective with it just i
• 56:15
  Speaker 10: think less is more always that's.
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah we've got what essentially is supposed to be the
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: show version of instagram and it's that one's just the
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: weird stuff i only instagram like odd thing like normal
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: stuff i'll post like on facebook and twitter but the
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: weird like where what is this giant thing in front
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: of me i'm taking a picture of it that just
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: goes straight to instagram so if you look i look
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: back at my feed and i'm like i wouldn't know
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: what to do with this if i.
• 56:37
  Speaker 10: Looked at all i usually post photos of stuff that
• 56:40
  Speaker 10: If I am in a situation and I see something,
• 56:43
  Speaker 10: I'm like, I need other people to see what I
• 56:45
  Speaker 10: just saw. I'll try and get a photo of it
• 56:47
  Speaker 10: and throw my own sort of framing aesthetic on it, hopefully.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's the gist of my social media. And
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: your life as well.
• 57:00
  Speaker 10: Thank you, sir.
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: Thank you for sitting in with us and telling us
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: about your life up to this point and this movie.
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: So we'll help get the word out and hopefully everybody
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: will go see it.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: My pleasure.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: Thank you, man. How do you prepare clips? I mean,
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: I could tell you, but it's not that interesting.
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: I read the script a bunch of times, and I
• 57:31
  Speaker 9: prepared them.
• 57:32
  Speaker 14: Like mom, I guess.
• 57:33
  Speaker 13: I watched a.
• 57:33
  Speaker 14: Bunch of movies. It's just because it's like, he's just
• 57:36
  Speaker 14: a kid, so it's.
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: Like, It was just really easy to relate to the base.
• 57:41
  Speaker 14: Of these puns.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: So it felt really natural.
• 57:43
  Speaker 11: And he's an incredible actor too.
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, the stuff that this kid did, I mean,
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: we had a lot of kids in this movie, obviously,
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: they're all really fantastic, but Armin was especially unique for
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: me to deal with because, you know, you're really conscious
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: about putting them in a situation, dealing with the subject,
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: and the material is really heavy, and the pressure of
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: carrying a whole movie.
• 58:07
  Speaker 18: And essentially, he was only 14 at the time. And so,
• 58:12
  Speaker 18: but there's something, like a light switch he turns on,
• 58:14
  Speaker 18: I don't know what it is, like he could be.
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: On his phone, messing around behind the scenes, you know.
• 58:20
  Speaker 18: Elliot was on a crew, and he could attest, like
• 58:23
  Speaker 18: everyone here who's on the crew, we just had a
• 58:25
  Speaker 18: good time making this movie, making.
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: Each other feel comfortable and safe. And even on an
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: emotional scene, we didn't really have to talk too much
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: about where he's gotta be.
• 58:34
  Speaker 13: He was just very aware, I think.
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: But he could turn it on, and then on cut,
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: he would start laughing or something.
• 58:40
  Speaker 13: It was a little weird.
• 58:41
  Speaker 14: We're all good. You do have so many characters that
• 58:48
  Speaker 14: you're actually curious.
• 58:49
  Speaker 8: Well... Yeah, I was.
• 58:54
  Speaker 14: I'm sorry.
• 58:55
  Speaker 9: I'm nervous.
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: I'm very nervous now.
• 58:59
  Speaker 14: On the topic of your character, how sarcastic are you?
• 59:06
  Speaker 14: I don't know.
• 59:25
  Speaker 8: So thank you to Vincent for sitting out there on
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: the street and talking with me. And, um, more than
• 59:30
  Speaker 8: anything for the movie. Cause I've now seen the movie
• 59:35
  Speaker 8: and it's kind of amazing. Like I'd heard decent things
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: going in, which gave me a little hope. You know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 8: I kind of go into sometimes just talking about the
• 59:45
  Speaker 8: filmmaking process detached from the films themselves. So it's, it's
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: different once you see the movie and once you have
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: a reaction to the movie and it's, it's, Like, it
• 59:58
  Speaker 8: really is, like, surprisingly immersive in and of itself. That
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: it is about, as you heard, it takes place around
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 8: kind of the end of middle school heading into high school.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 8: And it leads towards a situation that's around a school shooting.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: So it's serious.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 8: It's it's one of those like I think more than that,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: because even, you know, I everybody will describe it as
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 8: being about a school shooting. And you even hear Vincent
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: discuss how much of it is based around friendship, which
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: it is to me like coming out of it. It's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: like it is so overwhelmingly just kind of dealing with sadness.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: And it's that like that. pre-teen, middle-teen era. The worst
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 8: time of your life? When, like, really, like, as I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: said then, but even now, it's like, watching it, I'm like,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: all of these weird little things that go on in
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: your day, in your life, are the entirety of your life.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, there's a minor little situation with this kid
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 8: and his little brother's football. And it is so, like,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 8: it weighs on him so much that I'm just like,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 8: that's the kind of shit that, like, Oh yeah. When
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: you're a kid, that stuff means so much. Like just
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 8: these things. And it's because I think it's boiled down
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 8: to everything is at its very essence. So it's like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 8: this kid feels like guilt and shame and all of
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: it is the most pure version of that you're ever
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: going to get.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: Cause it hasn't had time to have all these other
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 8: things in life just sort of beat you down and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: you don't care about stuff the same way you do.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 8: Like everything is still kind of new when you're a
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: kid and like, Everything hurts more.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 11: Yeah, especially like in like that that age, like middle school,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 11: early high school, when you start to.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 8: Have that kind of awareness.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 11: But you also are like unfiltered shame, just complete, like potent,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 11: just something small. Like I was just thinking about how
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 11: when I was in eighth grade, someone stole my pencil
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 11: or something. And I was like, no, you do not
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 11: steal my pet. And I made a scene.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: Actually, this sounds about right knowing you.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 11: But, I mean, I made this whole scene about it
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 11: just because I was like, no, you're not going to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 11: take advantage of me anymore. And, like, just crippled with
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 11: shame and anxiety about, like, losing it in this half
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 11: a second.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 8: For, like, weeks. And not being able to get over it.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 11: Because I was aware of how humiliating it was for
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 11: me to act that way.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: I mean, that's, that's the thing watching the, and this
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: shows again, that my, my place, my place in my
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 8: head in the world, because we, we sat there afterwards
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 8: and they, they did kind of a Q and a with,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: and the audience had some, some stuff for him. And
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 8: one of them was this lady, because you do get
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: a decent amount of time with the parents. And that's
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 8: the other thing that I think is so well done
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 8: here is like, it's, As I say with him, but
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 8: more so having seen the movie. I mean, like, there's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: not a lot of finger pointing.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: It's not a.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: Lot of, like... Again, everybody gets so preachy about these situations.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: And blaming the kids because they're bad kids. These aren't
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 8: bad kids. You know, blaming the parents because they're bad parents.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: You watch this movie. These are good parents. And parents
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: that are kind of trying to be involved. But there's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: only so much you can do. Like, again, I was
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: that kid. You're not going to get any more involved
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 8: than I want you to.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 10: Like, kids.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: at that age in particular, can pull away from you in, like,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 8: not even physical, in a mental way that you will
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: never break through. And the more you try, like, the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: more they're going to be like, hell no! You're pushing
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: them away. And so, yeah, you watch the parents and they,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 8: that's the scary part I think that you take away
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: from it is that there are signs that the kid's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: having problems, but there's not signs that it's that bad
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 8: and that he can turn things on and off. That, like, yeah,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: he's in the middle of dealing with guns at his
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 8: friend's house but at the same time mom's talking about
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: you know going on a vacation and he's just like
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 8: yeah that's cool like and it it's just sort of
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: a different switch in his brain is thrown and it's
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 8: not like everything's bad and he's in a dark place
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: like it's just a different mode that kicks in and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: there's times when he can be a normal kid and
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: he is a normal kid and then there's times where
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: he just makes bad decisions so yeah I think that's
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: that was part of it but that that's what I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: was saying the the lady at the Q & A
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: was so the mom and she's sitting there, she's just like, oh,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: and I so identify with that. And I am wondering
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 8: if I'm, you know, making these right decisions and like,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: if I'm, you know, I should be paying attention to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 8: this with my kids. And like, I'm sitting there the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 8: whole time going that part, I get it, but it
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: never really hit me the way the kid did. Like,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 8: I am that kid. Like, I am so that kid.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: Even to the point of destructiveness, maybe not that level, but, like,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 8: I remember the kind of... And, again, I'm using quotes,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 8: the friends that I had at that age, which were
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: iffy at best. But, again, you end up with whoever's
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 8: willing to spend time with you because you're all obnoxious. So, like,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 8: I do remember some of the... Because a lot of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 8: the things these kids are doing are, like... destructive but
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: it's the only way you know how to express yourself
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 8: at that age like it is just sort of like
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: it's the only thing that comes to you I'm a
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: dumb kid I don't have anything else I can do
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: but I can destroy things like I can I can
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: get in a fight with somebody I can like it's
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: the only way I know how to deal with something.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 11: It's like I can't affect the world but I can
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 11: affect this kid's day like I can.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 8: Affect can affect the world this is it this is
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 8: my little part of the world and the only way
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 8: I can do something that by the end I think
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 8: that's it it's like the only way I can make
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 8: any sort of change is through this. Good, bad, or otherwise, like,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 8: I hate the way my life.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 13: Is right now.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 8: And it's dealing with that kind of just overall sadness
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: that these kids are kind of dealing with. And it's like,
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  Speaker 8: this is the only way I can change something. Good
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  Speaker 8: or bad, it may be the end of me, but
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  Speaker 8: I can change things. And it's really fascinating to see
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  Speaker 8: this version that he does because, again, it doesn't really
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 8: point the finger at anybody. And it doesn't really... make
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 8: you side with any one person. I think you find
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  Speaker 8: as I did that poor demented child that I am
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  Speaker 8: like that, that was, that was it. Like, I think
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  Speaker 8: you find who you identify with in this and maybe
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  Speaker 8: you kind of identify with everybody a little bit, which
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  Speaker 8: is what you really, you know, that that's what you
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  Speaker 8: should be taking away from it is there's something to
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  Speaker 8: learn from everybody in this movie. So it's, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 8: And that kid, oh man, he's Armin Dabo is amazing.
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  Speaker 8: Like again, he's, Like, more so, somebody at there tried
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  Speaker 8: to compare him to, like, a young Leonardo DiCaprio. And
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  Speaker 8: I'm like, he might be a little more layered than that. Like,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 8: this kid is so subtle in his approach to stuff.
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  Speaker 8: It's amazing. Like, he is so genuine on screen. What's
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 8: even funnier was he's at the premiere. He's at the
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  Speaker 8: Q & A. Like, he's such a kid. Like, he's
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 8: just such a, like, he's so, like, polished and well
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 8: put together on screen that And then you see him
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 8: in the real world and he's just a normal, dorky
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 8: teenage kid. Like he's just, and doesn't know how to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 8: deal with normal interaction. Again, so polished it like the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 8: performing part of it, but the normal conversation part of
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 8: it is just kind of, I don't know. He's just,
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  Speaker 8: he's the same thing I was doing at that age
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  Speaker 8: or now. That's reassuring. So yeah, it was just like,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 8: it's amazing how talented he is, but it's even more
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 8: like refreshing to see what a normal kid he is.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 8: Like in the real world, he's still just, kind of
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 8: a regular kid. That was promising for me, so I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: am that kid.
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  Speaker 11: Chaos incarnate.
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  Speaker 8: I still was. Afterwards, there was the party after the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: big premiere. Did you flip a table? No, I went
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: and I'm like, I'm still that kid. I just didn't
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 8: go to the violent outburst end of it. I went
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: more to, again, more to his character. His character is
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: a little more of the reserved one, so I just
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 8: stood there at the party by myself the whole time.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 8: So I'm watching that, and I'm looking at him across
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  Speaker 8: the room. I'm going, yeah, I'm still that kid. The
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 8: only way I'm functional is on the show. In real society,
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  Speaker 8: this is it. I just go and sit there and
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 8: don't drink and don't interact. I don't know any of
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 8: these people, so I don't start pestering strangers. So, yeah,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 8: I just kind of hung out long enough to be like,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: all right, I'm good here. Let's go home.
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  Speaker 11: I like to do a lot of things by myself.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 11: Just chill out, watch other people do their things.
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  Speaker 8: That was the interesting part, though, just kind of watching
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: everyone interact with each other. I'm removed from it.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: It's like Wildlife Kingdom for me.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 8: I'm just sort of watching it going, ah, this is interesting.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 8: This is how the humans interact.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 11: They still do not suspect I'm among them.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 8: Luckily, I'm hiding in this plant. They'll never know it. here.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: The binoculars might have been a bit much. But anyway,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: that's beside the point.
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  Speaker 8: All right. Well, I think that rounds out this week.
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  Speaker 8: We have more things in store at Flyover. So we
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: will be back in the near future at Flyover with
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: more fabulous guests. And once again, a big thank you
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 8: to the Louisville Film Society for putting on a great
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 8: event tonight. They've put together a great show every year
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 8: for Flyover Film Fest, but this year in particular is
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 8: an amazing lineup of movies and bringing in talented filmmakers
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 8: and actors. And it's just been a great rundown this year.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 8: So always check out, see what they've got in the works.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 8: They are at louisvillefilmsociety.org and look into Flyover Film Fest
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: and everything they have to offer. And in particular this year,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 8: if you don't live in the area, here's a good
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 8: thing to check into, as you heard earlier in the episode.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: If you're looking to shoot a film, check into what
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: Kentucky has to offer. Obviously, the Louisville Film Society has
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 8: been pushing really hard to get this stuff not only
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 8: legally pushed through so that you get some tax breaks
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 8: and some incentives to come here, but just to make
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 8: sure that the city and the state itself is kind
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 8: of working with filmmakers to put together, you know, great films.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: So that's something to consider if you're a filmmaker out
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: there looking for the next place to shoot your film.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 8: We've got some stuff to work with here. So yeah,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 8: definitely go to LouisvilleFilmSociety.org and they can point you in
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: the right direction of who specifically you need to talk
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 8: to for your type of project. Otherwise, that about does it.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 8: We will return next time. Same Geek Feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 12: I learned the hard way Nothing comes easy.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Living is losing.
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  Speaker 15: Brother, believe me I try to sink roots I try
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 15: to plant seeds But all that I get Is a harvest.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Of weeds Nothing but weeds I made a.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 12: Decision Or better or worse Just to keep living.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 15: No matter how much it.
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  Speaker 12: Hurts So I try to sink roots I try to
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 12: plant seeds But all that I get Is a harvest
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 12: of weeds There's no going back There's only right Where
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 12: I am The future's a blur But I'll get there If.
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  Speaker 6: I can If I can If I can I.
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  Speaker 14: Try to sink roots I.
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  Speaker 15: Try to plant seeds But all that.
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  Speaker 8: I get.
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  Speaker 6: Is a harvest of weeds Nothing but.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 9: Weeds Harvest of weeds.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 11: I just saw a mosquito fly by the window.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 8: Like, they followed me here. They're going to find me.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 11: Oh my god, they can smell me.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 8: They're coming to get you, Barbara.
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