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Swinging for Success: Golf Stories and Business Glories With Al Tenenbaum and Maier Arm · None of Your Business Podcast

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  What was the most holes you played of golf in one day?
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  72. Wow, is that even possible?
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  So we played 1818 holes in one round.
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  We played four different rounds. Al and I did this of course. 4
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  different rounds, 4 different courses on the same day.
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  Teed up about 735. We played the first round in
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  about two hours and 45 minutes, and we played the next round in
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  about 3 hours, then the next one in two hours, and then in about
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  3 hours. Nice 14 hour day, 72 holes.
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  And then you died. None of your business Oshi, none
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  of your business Michael. It's the none of your business
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  podcast hosted by Michael Anoshi.
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  Welcome back to another episode of a None of Your business
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  podcast. Now, you might notice that this
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  podcast is missing an essential piece.
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  I kind of feel a little bit naked here without him, without
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  my, my side piece. Michael Greenfield.
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  So Michael is currently in Israel, so he's going to be
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  there for about 3 weeks and the show must go on.
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  Just because Michael leaves doesn't mean that everything
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  stops. So Michael and I actually turned
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  this into an opportunity. And what we said was that I'm
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  going to do a podcast on my own. I'm going to choose a couple of
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  my friends. I have some interesting friends,
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  but I chose the two of you because I believe that there's a
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  lot of synergy between the three of us, and I think that could
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  make for some really, really good conversation.
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  So I'm excited about it. Now, not to put any pressure on
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  you guys, but this is a competition and this podcast
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  must by all costs outperform Michael's podcasts because like
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  all good partnerships, potentially partnerships one day
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  can end. And we have to know, we have to
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  really, really know is Michael Greenfield going to outperform
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  or am I going to outperform? And we're going to hold this
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  over each other's heads for a long time.
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  We're very competitive. I know you guys are very
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  competitive. We're all very competitive.
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  All in good fun. Yes, we're going to touch on
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  that a little bit today. But I'm not going to lie, not
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  having you here. Michael certainly feels doesn't
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  feel the same, feels a little bit empty, but I think we're
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  going to survive. So Michael, good luck, do your
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  thing. I wish you a lot of luck.
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  I have a sneaky suspicion who you're going to bring onto your
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  podcast and I think it's going to do OK.
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  I think it's going to do well, but nobody competes with the two
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  guests that I have today and I'm very excited about it.
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  I want to remind everybody that this podcast is sponsored by
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  prime source. Want to thank all the partners.
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  All right, so our guest today is Al Tenenbaum, AKA Al Khanan
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  Tenenbaum. I know some people call you Al,
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  Some people call you Al. I call you Al.
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  I don't even like the name Al Khanan.
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  I don't think it suits you. I think you're an Al kind of
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  guy. And we also have Mayor Slash
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  Meyer. He spells it in a very funky
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  way. I believe you spell it Maier And
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  Mayor. I'm not going to lie, I actually
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  think that that spelling does suit you because you're a very
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  unique person. I think I'm very honored that I
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  get to be your friend and I get to spend time with you and I got
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  to know you over the years and you are someone that has a very
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  unique style and you're like an undercover secret that not a lot
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  of people know about. You don't let too many people
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  in, you don't let a a big crowd around you, but those that get
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  to really be a part of your realm.
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  I think we've come to appreciate what you bring to the table, not
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  to mention your unbelievable fancy suit that you're wearing
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  here today. OK, this was certainly a little
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  bit overdressed for the occasion, but I'm not surprised
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  and and you make anything look good.
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  So kudos to you. And it's I may also mention a
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  little plug for Fino's. Fino's custom designed it right.
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  I'm a big fan. I try to get my suits for him as
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  well. So I thought we we could start
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  by doing something a little interesting.
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  I know you guys are big, big, avid golf.
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  Not just fans, but golf players. Hold on, wait, before that
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  mentioned his suit last year I believe to the day in shul there
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  was a raffle or bidding to support the yes I remember which
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  was to be taken with mayor to the suit place to get a suit.
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  I paid my bill. I don't see a matching suit
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  supposed to get an eccentric matching suit.
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  Where's that matching it? Didn't happen.
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  It didn't happen, but I do remember that for my fault.
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  I wanted my one too. All three of us have a suit we
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  for the podcast. Yeah, I missed opportunity for
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  sure. And we should still do.
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  It's not too late. I think the three of us should
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  get like, you know, Yeah, I know.
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  We. If we win this as and.
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  We should also walk into school at the same time, like the same
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  time we walk into. School, they're very.
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  Early. They're gonna have to come.
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  Yeah, exactly. So you can't run late, you know,
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  you gotta make sure that they're on time.
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  So, Mayor, let me ask you something.
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  You know, a lot of people that we know very, very secretive
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  about what they do for work. Some more than others.
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  Some are very extreme, but you're generally more of a
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  private person. But you know, I, I don't know a
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  whole lot about what you do. I do know that you have an ABA
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  therapy company. I think I know approximately
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  what that means. What?
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  What exactly does the company that you own?
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  What does this company do? ABA stands for Applied Behavior
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  Analysis, which is a type of therapy that is approved by
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  insurance to work with kids specifically diagnosed with
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  autism. And unlike let's say physical
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  therapy or occupational therapy or speech therapy, which some of
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  those kids may also get, those are typically 2-3 hours a week.
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  ABA can be up to 40 hours a week.
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  And they work with something called board certified behavior
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  analyst who creates treatment plans.
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  We submit those treatment plans to insurance to get approvals
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  and then they oversee a behavior technician that works with the
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  kid one-on-one. And so we service, we have a
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  clinic in Bloomfield, NJ and we service kids in daycares or at
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  home after school, things like that.
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  So we are currently providing services throughout the state of
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  New Jersey, mostly in the Northeast and then also in the
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  Dallas, TX area. Oh wow, very cool.
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  Interesting. You've explained that very well.
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  By the way. I feel like you really gave like
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  a nice 62nd overview that gives the framework of what the
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  company you own does. How did you get into this?
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  How did you find this to be a viable business for you and how
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  did you get started? So I had a son, my second son,
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  who at the time was 2 1/2, developed an infection
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  overnight, went into septic shock.
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  He's I'm very blessed that he's still alive.
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  We he had 9 surgeries. We were in and out of the
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  hospital for many, many months. And while I would walk the
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  floors, there was a lot of stuff about autism.
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  I knew people that were in the field, but I started thinking it
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  just put a, you know, idea in my mind, like maybe I should do
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  something with kids. It seems like it's a little
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  easier. You don't need like a, a nursing
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  home. You don't need real estate per
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  SE. I started researching that.
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  I went to a conference and sort of like got it started without
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  knowing enough. And I was very blessed to find
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  phenomenal staff. They're very blessed.
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  They're still with us. I have two awesome clinical
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  leaders. They're like family and they've
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  really helped us to grow and we've grown tremendously.
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  We have a lot of kids that we work with now and we've done
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  this in four years and we're hoping to keep growing.
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  Wow, so you learned a lot of what you're doing today on the.
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  Fly I I when I first started, I would think like, why doesn't
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  everyone just start their own business, which I think a lot of
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  people think they can start because you technically don't
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  need a lot of money. You don't need a real estate.
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  But now that we've been around for four years, I laugh at
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  myself because had I known everything I needed, I, I know
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  now, I never would have started. It would have hindered me from
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  starting. And we've had a lot of breaks
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  along the way for sure. Like we started in COVID.
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  I think that helped us a lot because a lot of companies were
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  not providing services. So kids were looking for
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  services because their agency that they were working with
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  wasn't providing services. There are a lot of things that
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  happened that we were, we had a lot of Mazel, a lot of luck, a
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  lot of good fortune and we have a great team.
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  I, I think you're only as good as your team.
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  I also did a lot of research before I started.
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  So all that time that I spent going to conferences or whatever
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  and researching and I also, I, I learned, I taught myself a lot.
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  A lot of people outsource a lot of things and we don't outsource
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  anything. So you know that saves you
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  money, but it takes time to figure out.
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  Wow, I. Have a phenomenal clinical team.
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  We've had many families who specifically wanted to speak to
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  me to let us know their kid was non verbal and now they're
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  speaking full sentences and they're no longer in the program
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  and they've graduated, which is really nice.
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  Wow, so there's a personal side to this for you as well.
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  Yeah, I, I provide a great service no matter what you're
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  doing. You know, obviously helping kids
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  who can't speak be able to speak.
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  That's gratifying. That's amazing.
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  You know, I tell our sales reps here all the time, you know,
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  don't think of what you're doing as just any job and you're just
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  doing a sale and you know, you're consulting and you're
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  helping people save money. Think about by the fact that a
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  facility has more money to spend now where that money, well we
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  hope is being used, which is on the residents, on the people
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  that live in this facility. It makes a difference.
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  You know, when you help them get a better distributor that has
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  better quality food, they have better menus, makes a difference
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  in people's lives. Think about your grandparents.
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  Our grandparents know that are in nursing home sometimes and
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  they're eating breakfast, lunch and dinner there.
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  And if you can make it a little bit better for them, you're
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  really impacting people's lives. You are impacting children's
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  lives. This is the most precious things
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  that we have in our lives. This is amazing.
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  So you get to make money, but you also get to really see
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  transformations and a lot of these children.
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  When I started, I was very involved with every single thing
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  to the point where I even was involved with some of the early
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  families, right? Like we got someone to apply,
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  you know? Now, thankfully we have a lot of
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  people applying every day, which is beautiful and we're very
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  blessed. But early on, I still remember
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  like the first client that called after this BCBA left, and
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  it was not a good case. Meaning they're looking for a
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  very few hours. They didn't have great
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  insurance, but you'll do anything at the time to make it
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  work. But what stands out is there was
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  this one family who had this kid.
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  And then some parents are just special parents, like they'll do
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  anything for their kid. And that was this family.
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  And their kid really grew quite a bit.
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  And they wanted to meet me in person.
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  I don't always go into my office.
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  So they wanted to meet me and they brought flowers and a
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  letter and a whole special thing.
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  It was really, really nice. That's when it really hit home
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  that it like we're making a difference.
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  You know, I don't know that we help every kid to the level that
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  we help that kid. You know, also you have staff.
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  Some people are better and work harder than others.
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  There's only so much you can do. You know, sometimes you hire
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  people that aren't the greatest. Sometimes you hire the people
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  that are the greatest and sometimes they're paired with
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  that kid. Just recently we have, we have a
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  party for, you know, our kids on a Sunday.
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  We rent a park and all that. And there was a family that came
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  over to thank me that, you know, they would write any, they would
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  do anything. So, you know, we don't ever ask
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  people to write reviews, but I asked them to write a review,
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  wrote a beautiful Google review about how much we've done for
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  their kids. It's just the helping kids is
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  nice too. That's very special, very nice.
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  Al I, I, we covered Mayer and you know, his his work life, you
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  know, and, and what he does. And I-1 could actually argue
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  that your work life is more of a hidden secret actually than
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  because I, I believe that there is a possibility that everything
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  going on in your work life is all a front and that you have to
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  have a story, you know, because nobody is able.
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  There's one person who can argue who can say otherwise.
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  It's me. Both of you, you both share
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  this. I'm with Al and he's at work.
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  No, it's real. OK, So Al, tell us.
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  Tell us A. Little bit about He's got the
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  big James St. project. Hawaii.
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  Oh, he's stalking you now, but he's there with you.
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  Got to talk to Laurie. No.
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  What do you mean? Come on.
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  Talking about, you have some pipes.
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  All right, so Al, let's look. What do I do?
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  Yeah, but it's important. Very different.
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  I'm the opposite of mayor. Mayor is was a trailblazer who
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  started in on his own and and really just took that that lead.
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  I'm the opposite. I'm a I'm part of a second
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  generation business which I was lucky enough to be invited by my
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  father-in-law and my uncle in law to join their business 15
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  plus years ago. We do mechanical contracting,
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  which is essentially air conditioning and heating, do
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  large scale commercial projects. But really what we do is we
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  manage risk and manage people. That's really our business.
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  What? Does that mean manage risk and
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  manage people? When I hear HVAC heating and
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  cooling, I'm thinking the machines that you're telling of
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  course manage risk and manage. People, yeah, of course we do
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  that. But essentially it's providing a
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  product in the current environment is very complex.
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  I would say with OSHA, which is safety regulations, just
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  understanding how to build a proper system that functions,
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  that's per code, that is efficient, that has longevity,
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  that will be serviceable, all those things is what we do.
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  What's your role in the company? So we're a family business that
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  manages everything very hands on.
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  So basically every decision and every aspect of how the company
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  functions is basically a podcast discussion of what the steps
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  should be, how we should implement them.
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  And that's basically what we do. My father-in-law, my uncle in
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  law and I have my brother-in-law and and a cousin.
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  Basically round table discussion.
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  Our plan of action for how we should function as a company.
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  We have, you know, 200 employees and how they should work.
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  Obviously there's the nitty gritty of actually bending metal
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  and installing metal and welding metal and installing equipment
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  wire. It's a complex Organism of how
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  the business works. But ultimately it comes down to
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  making proper decision, proper foresight, which is what every
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  business is. Obviously, the core of every
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  business is making sure they have enough work to feed your
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  people, feed the employees that you have, feed their families,
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  make sure that the money is there for their payroll.
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  Ultimately, we're simple contractors.
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  We're not doing anything that's rocket science.
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  We're essentially creating comfortable systems for people
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  to live in. Beautiful.
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  So your father-in-law started this business?
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  Father-in-law and Uncle Law started the business almost 40
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  years ago. Wow.
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  So they backstrapped it and you know.
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  Absolutely. They're Russian immigrants and
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  they came here. My father-in-law is an
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  aeronautical engineer. He came here from Russia as a
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  essentially a Jewish refugee. And when he came here, he
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  obviously was trained as an aeronautical engineer, which is,
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  you know, airplanes, things like that.
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  And he interviewed with Boeing and other airplane companies and
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  the CIA basically said we can't have Russians involved.
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  In. The 80s in the early 80s.
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  And so he was he's like, OK, I'll try it.
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  Air conditioned a little bit, kind of below my pay grade, but
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  he kind of worked for a few companies and he's like, listen,
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  like mayor, I can do this. He was the mayor, He was the and
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  then he's like, listen, let's, we'll figure out.
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  His brother was very handy, started from the ground.
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  Up and the two of them literally buying and then installing
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  machines for people and taking any job.
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  And process of, you know, 40 years is a very long time and to
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  have and I and I think it's their wish and their goal to
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  have this company be something that they can pass down for
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  generations and. So they have no intention of
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  ever selling. It's not a, you know, I think
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  that. Are they the currently the sole
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  owners? The two brothers.
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  Yes, it's the most unique. It's the most, I'm not going to
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  go into like the details of it, but it's a very unique loving
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  structure that would never work anywhere else.
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  It's based solely on trust for all the people that are
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  involved. And it's based on love and
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  trust. And it works.
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  And it's worked for 40 years, and it's worked for the 15 years
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  that I've been part of it. And it's the goal to nurture and
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  foster that. I'm not saying that it works for
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  everyone. I think it takes unique
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  personalities to work properly. You better believe it does.
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  It does. It sounds to me, you know, go
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  very, very, very wrong. But I know your father-in-law a
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  little bit, like I don't know him personally, but I know of
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  him. I know about him and he's a
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  great fellow and, and I can tell he's just wired differently.
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  And it's not surprising to me that he has this arrangement,
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  you know, with the family members that are part of the
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  business. And I'm sure everybody carries
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  their weight and does what they can.
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  He probably doesn't even have a lot of expectations.
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  He just wants somebody to step up as much as they could, No.
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  That's not true. So he holds you accountable
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  like. Not at all.
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  It's a very, it's real, it's a very real business.
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  There's real accountability. And let's put it this way, not
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  everyone skills are necessarily quantifiable in a nine to five
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  kind of way. So I I totally understand what
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  you're saying. Not every job is reflected a
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  quantifiable that a nine to five where you're sitting like
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  there's a lot of moving pieces, you know, that are behind the
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  scenes to a company that you know, really can make it very
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  successful or not. But still, I I, I will say that
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  you know, it's you're you're very fortunate in both all three
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  of us and the other people sitting here are very fortunate
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  that we have a job and that we're able to bring home an
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  income. I mean, you guys are really
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  fortunate. You can also do two things that
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  you love. You get to be involved in a
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  company that brings you joy and you know, your personal stuff
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  that your your golf life that you love as well.
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  This is a lightning round. I'm gonna throw 10 questions at
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  you guys, and I'm gonna ask both of you the same question.
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  OK? So I'm gonna ask you a question.
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  You're gonna give me the first answer that comes to your head
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  right off the top of your cuff, OK?
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  And then I'm gonna ask you the same question.
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  And then I'm gonna start the second question with you, and
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  we're gonna go back and forth, OK?
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  Now, obviously, these questions are around golf.
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  You guys are very good representatives of the game of
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  golf. You've mastered the craft, I
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  want to say, of golf as far as an amateur can go.
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  Master is a difficult word. You didn't master the game of
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  golf. Is like life, you can't master
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  it. No, you could always room for
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  improvement. Always.
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  That's the allure. 'Cause you keep chasing
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  something. You could have the number one
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  podcast in the world. You're still trying to get more
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  subscribers, more listeners, right?
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  Yeah, of course. So never enough, never enough.
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  OK, so I'm going to start, I'm going to ask some questions.
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  This is just to give a little flavour to the listeners about
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  you and about, you know, your golf experiences.
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  OK, basic questions. Don't overthink it.
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  Don't you know, try to give the perfect answer.
• 18:28
  Just had you. Had you come up with these
• 18:29
  questions? Came up with myself.
• 18:30
  I I sat by my computer and I just thought of questions I
• 18:32
  would want to know that I was curious about and I put it
• 18:36
  together OK. I just say, can I just say one
• 18:39
  thing? Yeah, sure.
• 18:39
  Usually we sit at Kiddish together, right?
• 18:41
  I know she has one rule, one rule only.
• 18:44
  No golf. And no talking.
• 18:45
  Let's talk about anything except for golf.
• 18:47
  OK, so, Al, Are you ready? I'm gonna start with you, Al.
• 18:49
  Then I'm gonna ask you the same question, Mayor.
• 18:51
  And then I'm gonna turn the question true to you, and then
• 18:52
  I'm gonna go back and forth. All right?
• 18:55
  What's the nicest golf course that you ever played in?
• 19:01
  And why Maidstone? Maidstone.
• 19:03
  It's called Maidstone. What was so nice about it?
• 19:05
  It's on a piece of land that you could never buy now.
• 19:08
  It's in East Hampton. It's on the ocean, which on the,
• 19:13
  I guess that would be the South side, the South side of the tip
• 19:18
  of Long Island all the way out there in East Hampton, like a
• 19:21
  1/2 acre plot of land there goes for $80 million and this is 300
• 19:26
  acres. Wow, you played there once
• 19:27
  Played. There one time.
• 19:28
  One time. OK, nice.
• 19:29
  All right, Mayor, what was the nicest golf course you ever
• 19:31
  played in? It's a great question.
• 19:33
  So I'm actually going to say something that's interesting
• 19:36
  that Alpine knows the answer to. But we just played a course
• 19:38
  called Atlantic, which is pretty close to Maidstone.
• 19:42
  It's not a great piece of property in the sense that it's
• 19:44
  not on the water, doesn't have the views, but the course was in
• 19:47
  phenomenal shape. There wasn't a blade of grass
• 19:49
  out of place, there wasn't a weed you could see.
• 19:52
  It was a beautiful. It's not rated anywhere near
• 19:54
  some of the other courses we've played, but I loved it.
• 19:56
  Wow. I wish you'd talk about music
• 19:58
  that way you know about someone else amazing like you.
• 20:00
  The the love that you have for the course is unbelievable.
• 20:03
  All right, so, Mayor, what was the best score that you ever had
• 20:06
  at any course at any time? You threw out your entire
• 20:09
  playing career. What was your best score?
• 20:11
  70. 70 so that's that's 2 below par doesn't.
• 20:16
  Necessarily mean you're under par.
• 20:18
  Some courses are 6869, typically it's 72, sometimes it's 71200.
• 20:22
  Par OK Al, What was your best score that you ever did on any
• 20:25
  course? 64 which is 7 under wow yeah
• 20:29
  that's amazing. But yeah, it wasn't my best
• 20:32
  round of golf, but that's my. Best final score after the best.
• 20:36
  OK. I'm sure there's a lot of people
• 20:37
  right now there like, wow, that's pretty impressive.
• 20:39
  It's good I. Have you ever done that multiple
• 20:42
  times or oh, so you but that was the lowest you've ever got?
• 20:45
  With him with on one of them. Oh, you were there, so you can
• 20:47
  back this. Up and then on Sunday I was 7
• 20:49
  under through 16 holes. Oh, so you ended up higher than?
• 20:52
  I went bogey par and and shot 600.
• 20:54
  That was a shame. OK, Al, who's the most important
• 20:58
  person that you ever played golf with?
• 21:00
  Who's the most important person that you ever played with?
• 21:02
  It's a tough question. There are two answers.
• 21:04
  One will be my son, Sammy. No, no, no, no, no, no, that's
• 21:07
  not. Let me rephrase this question.
• 21:09
  Not your most sentimentally important person you know
• 21:12
  they're. Both sentimental.
• 21:13
  Important person, like celebrity wise, like somebody that the
• 21:16
  masses know who they are. Who's the most important person?
• 21:19
  You. Ever play with You mean like
• 21:20
  who's the most famous? Person or famous?
• 21:22
  Let me use the word famous Nobody.
• 21:28
  Nobody famous. I don't, I mean.
• 21:30
  Well, fame or is. I guess you could say that,
• 21:33
  yeah. I would say I've played with
• 21:35
  Lawrence Taylor. Oh, OK.
• 21:37
  OK. Why are you holding that one man
• 21:38
  a regular? And that's pretty good.
• 21:40
  Taylor. Was he any good?
• 21:42
  He's an excellent golfer, yeah. Famous.
• 21:45
  A lot of people love him for, like what he did for the Giants,
• 21:47
  I guess. Yeah, for.
• 21:48
  Sure, football. Is he still active?
• 21:50
  Does he still do anything like TV?
• 21:51
  Plays a lot of golf. Just plays golf now, Alex.
• 21:54
  Is he still a regular at Smootrac?
• 21:56
  No, because that guy left, but he's around.
• 21:58
  He's definitely around this area 'cause I'll probably do like
• 22:01
  signings and stuff or whatever. He's around, still looks big and
• 22:04
  strong and. All right, Mayor, who's the most
• 22:06
  important person other than Al that you played with?
• 22:10
  Yeah, so I don't know if I play with anyone that important.
• 22:13
  I played with John Flaherty, who does the Yankee.
• 22:15
  Game I played with Lawrence, Taylor, John.
• 22:19
  These are very famous people. When you meet famous, they're
• 22:21
  regular people. I understand they're regular
• 22:23
  people, I'm not saying they're gods, but it's a very famous
• 22:26
  person. So how did that come to be?
• 22:28
  How did you hook up with? We used to be members at
• 22:30
  Rockland Country Club and John is a member there and his friend
• 22:34
  had a match against my friends, so we both played against each
• 22:37
  other. John was a nice guy.
• 22:39
  He was doing a Yankee game that night.
• 22:40
  You're. Kidding me?
• 22:41
  So that night he was commentating at the Yankee game.
• 22:43
  Wow. Yeah.
• 22:44
  And so did you guys. Talk.
• 22:46
  He was a really nice guy. I enjoyed it immensely.
• 22:49
  He played very well that day too.
• 22:50
  He beat me. Cell number.
• 22:52
  I think I do, yeah. You know who I met, so I played
• 22:57
  with? Who's the head writer of SNL?
• 23:01
  Now. Colin jokes.
• 23:03
  So Colin Joes, I'll tell you a funny story.
• 23:05
  So we're I'm playing with Colin Jost and finally we play a week
• 23:10
  or two later we play again and we finished playing and I, we go
• 23:16
  in, I change, he changes and all of a sudden he like is standing
• 23:22
  by the carts and he's rocking like a, like a baby carriage.
• 23:26
  And he goes out. Come meet my son Cosmo.
• 23:30
  I'm like, what? He goes, Oh yeah, he's one week
• 23:32
  old. We just had the baby.
• 23:34
  I'm like, oh, and then he introduced me to his wife.
• 23:36
  She. Was standing right there.
• 23:37
  Sitting right there. And so I go home and I'm like,
• 23:40
  listen, I tell my wife, I'm like, listen, I just met, you
• 23:43
  know, Scarlett and Colin, just they had a baby.
• 23:45
  You can't say a word to anyone. And oh, this was under.
• 23:48
  No, this is the baby was a week old and my wife.
• 23:50
  So the public didn't even know about.
• 23:52
  This my wife's like it can't be. It's nowhere on the Internet.
• 23:55
  I'm like, listen, there's a private place you can't tell any
• 23:57
  of your friends until it becomes, you know, public
• 23:59
  knowledge. And, and like, she almost didn't
• 24:03
  believe me. And then a month or two later it
• 24:05
  comes out and I, I told her, I said, mark my words, this is the
• 24:08
  baby's name. I met the baby I met.
• 24:10
  And he he's the nicest, most down to earth guy in the world.
• 24:14
  She is too. I mean, she's a little probably,
• 24:16
  you know, being famous like that.
• 24:17
  She's a lot more famous than he is.
• 24:19
  She's worldwide known. She's.
• 24:20
  Probably top three most. You know, highest grossing
• 24:24
  female actresses around, but also very normal.
• 24:27
  What was your reaction like when you were standing there and
• 24:30
  Colin Jost introduced you to his baby and then to his wife?
• 24:34
  My reaction was, I'm so excited to tell this to my wife 'cause I
• 24:37
  know she'll enjoy it. I'm enjoying this.
• 24:39
  So many people would enjoy and. You know what, he was there and
• 24:43
  there were probably 50 people that saw them and it didn't get
• 24:47
  out at all until they publicly went out with it.
• 24:49
  So it just shows. So you were golfing with Colin
• 24:51
  Jost? Yeah, and at a place where we
• 24:54
  play, we have mutual friends that set the game up together.
• 24:57
  Wait a second. So when I asked you, who's the
• 24:59
  most important person to do golf?
• 25:00
  You can't say important. So what did you guys talk about?
• 25:02
  Did you talk about? I mean, I asked him about what
• 25:05
  it's like to be a head writer of SNL and like how much
• 25:07
  preparation it is. He you just really, he told me
• 25:11
  hysterical stories that you know how he pranks.
• 25:16
  You know, Michael Che, who's on on on it with him, some crazy
• 25:19
  stories. So did you golf together with
• 25:21
  him? So he saw you golf, he saw you
• 25:23
  swing, and he saw you play. Yeah, we played together.
• 25:25
  Was he impressed? Did he common?
• 25:26
  Nobody. Nobody.
• 25:27
  Cares. Oh, they don't care so.
• 25:28
  Is you have a handicap, so everybody sort of knows what
• 25:32
  your level is. You can't be A10 handicap, which
• 25:35
  is OK, and then all of a sudden shoot par.
• 25:37
  It's not. That means you're cheating,
• 25:39
  right? So you know in advance of how
• 25:41
  good someone is. So anybody can play with anybody
• 25:43
  really matter because you just apply the right-handed you.
• 25:46
  Can compete with anybody 'cause you're not playing against each
• 25:48
  other. Right.
• 25:49
  Well, I'm still blown away by this Scarlett Johansson thing.
• 25:52
  This is amazing. I don't think I've ever met a
• 25:55
  real celebrity. My sister has a knack for
• 25:59
  meeting celebrities, and she has the pictures to prove it.
• 26:01
  Whenever she meets someone, she always takes a picture.
• 26:04
  Taylor Swift, Britney Spears, She was an elevator with Will
• 26:08
  Ferrell with with Paula Abdul. Like she's like a like a somehow
• 26:12
  she bumps into them all over the place, but this is a real real.
• 26:15
  Celebrity to play, you know. We also had around with Oshie
• 26:17
  Schwartz. Stop 1.
• 26:20
  Day. That'll be our biggest.
• 26:21
  Select I mean, someone's going to watch this podcast in 10
• 26:23
  years from now. Well, we'll see.
• 26:26
  We'll look back. What am I missing?
• 26:27
  What? He's saying in 10 years, gonna
• 26:29
  look back. It's a you had a podcast.
• 26:31
  Well, there's no question that Scarlett Johansson is the real
• 26:34
  deal. It's it's like hop, not.
• 26:36
  Play golf. That was better than the whole
• 26:38
  golf day. Demure.
• 26:39
  Yeah. Very.
• 26:40
  She was nice also. Very nice do.
• 26:42
  You have cell numbers. Do you have Colin's cell number?
• 26:44
  Did you even ask for it? No.
• 26:46
  No Colin's number. No, you gotta play cool.
• 26:48
  Come on. Interesting.
• 26:50
  OK. I'm glad I asked that question
• 26:52
  by the otherwise I don't know if I would have heard the story.
• 26:54
  Let's. Say, if you would have at least
• 26:55
  let us speak about golf, you would have heard this story.
• 26:57
  Let me finish. The questions, All right,
• 26:59
  Question 4. The mayor What was the most
• 27:02
  holes you played of golf in one day?
• 27:05
  72. Wow, is that even possible?
• 27:09
  So we played 1818 holes in one round.
• 27:12
  We played four different rounds. Al and I did this of course, 4
• 27:14
  different rounds, 4 different courses on the same day in North
• 27:17
  Carolina. We took a trip and we teed off
• 27:21
  about 735 and we played the first round in about two hours
• 27:24
  and 45 minutes and we played the next round in about 3 hours,
• 27:26
  then the next one in two hours and then in about 3 hours.
• 27:29
  Nice 14 hour day, 72 holes. And then you died.
• 27:33
  No. Then we were back out for 54
• 27:34
  holes the next day. Oh yeah, we played about 160
• 27:39
  something holes. In three days.
• 27:40
  And we flew down Sunday, played two rounds, played four rounds
• 27:43
  Monday, 3 rounds Tuesday, and flew back Tuesday night.
• 27:45
  You're kidding me. This is July.
• 27:47
  July. This is July 4th weekend in
• 27:51
  North Carolina. It was 95° and 90% humidity.
• 27:54
  The one thing that was unexpected was our hands were
• 27:58
  just throbbing because the humidity.
• 28:01
  I guess just I was made holding the club and swinging the club
• 28:05
  like impossible. You know, a big part of me is
• 28:08
  very envious of you guys. You should very jealous because
• 28:11
  I don't know if I have a passion for any as much as you have the
• 28:16
  devotion, the dedication that you have to the sport to play
• 28:19
  that kind of volume straight through.
• 28:23
  So you went on a binge, you went on a three day binge.
• 28:26
  We. Were we're very proud of this.
• 28:27
  72 didn't. We're playing the other day with
• 28:29
  the guy because we do the thing called the summer solstice where
• 28:33
  I guess somewhere around June 21st or whenever it is, where
• 28:35
  it's the longest day of summer, he goes, Oh yeah, we played from
• 28:38
  sun up to sundown. He had 201 holes in one day,
• 28:42
  which is comes out to 18. It's like 11 rounds.
• 28:45
  No 11 rounds. 11 rounds. 11 rounds.
• 28:47
  Is it 11 right 11? Rounds.
• 28:48
  That's insane. Can you even physically like
• 28:50
  swing that many times without getting so or that you can't
• 28:53
  lift the club? They were right.
• 28:54
  Now we played legitimate golf and we could have played nine
• 28:57
  more holes that day. Yeah, we didn't play at our own
• 29:00
  course where people let us play through.
• 29:01
  We played four different courses, which is nearly
• 29:04
  impossible. You drove from course to course
• 29:06
  to course. We didn't have the intention to
• 29:07
  do this as we finished one like, all right, let's do another.
• 29:10
  One, they're high. Like, let's keep going.
• 29:11
  Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 29:12
  We almost played nine more holes.
• 29:13
  We had a little more time. Mad respect.
• 29:16
  Wow, unbelievable. By the when I made this
• 29:18
  question, I was like thinking to myself, what would they answer?
• 29:20
  I was thinking about probably like, I don't know, 36 holes,
• 29:23
  5272, something like that. The next 100 guys you have are
• 29:27
  asking them how many holes they played the Max OK 36. 36 right,
• 29:30
  that would be a lot you played twice was the.
• 29:32
  Highlight it was it's the best off is.
• 29:35
  You guys have a lot of stamina, a lot of endurance.
• 29:37
  It's. Amazing.
• 29:39
  OK, cool. All right.
• 29:40
  Next question the. Crazy thing was I shot 81 all
• 29:43
  four rounds like. The same score.
• 29:46
  Same score. Different courses, yeah.
• 29:48
  The weirdest thing? What did you, what did you shoot
• 29:50
  that day? I don't know the best one.
• 29:51
  You don't remember. You remember every single score
• 29:53
  that you get, every game that you play.
• 29:55
  No, no, But when you play it, you course for the one time.
• 29:58
  Let's say you talked about Maidstone.
• 29:59
  I, I almost remember every shot I had or every hole.
• 30:02
  Same with Atlantic or the courses I played once that I
• 30:05
  really enjoyed or took a trip. You know, trips are special
• 30:08
  because when we do trips, it's like all golf.
• 30:10
  Like most people do a trip and then they're doing darts or
• 30:12
  fishing, whatever. It's like God, it's got to be
• 30:15
  golf all day, the only way. It's not only that other because
• 30:18
  we keep kosher, a lot of people, you know, their trips revolve
• 30:21
  around food, like where are we going?
• 30:23
  Where are going to be food? The mayor has shakes and that's
• 30:26
  all he eats. And maybe like a couple bars and
• 30:28
  I'm just eating bars and cereal and granola.
• 30:31
  Maybe, maybe we'll have like some pastrami, but there's
• 30:34
  barely any food. We're just running on fumes.
• 30:37
  So you're traveling all over the country throughout the year,
• 30:41
  playing at different course. Of the year.
• 30:43
  One or two trips a year, What do you typically do?
• 30:46
  I'll bring some cold cuts or we'll just have bars, beef jerky
• 30:50
  and bars and and that's it. All right.
• 30:52
  Next question is, Al, this is for you.
• 30:55
  OK. What's your preferred brand in
• 30:58
  golf? What's your preferred go to
• 31:01
  brand? What's your favorite brand
• 31:02
  apparel or what apparel? Yeah.
• 31:05
  That's like asking to teach the Toron one leg.
• 31:09
  Is there really is that there's so many brands in in in golf?
• 31:14
  It's. Like going to Fino and there's
• 31:16
  different materials. You're not going to only get
• 31:18
  style Biella, there's other ones, right?
• 31:20
  I already regret this one. This sounds too complicated.
• 31:23
  Golf, you think, is like a sport, it's almost a religion.
• 31:28
  And so you're asking questions that have lots of layers.
• 31:31
  For them, if I can go ahead, Len belts, Len belts is the answer.
• 31:35
  What is Len Belts? Anybody can look it up.
• 31:37
  Len Belts. Oh God.
• 31:39
  Len belts. And they make everything.
• 31:42
  They make belts. Just belts.
• 31:43
  Belts. Do the professionals on tour
• 31:45
  wear Len belts? Very few.
• 31:47
  What's so good about Len belts? What?
• 31:49
  What? Just beautiful.
• 31:50
  OK, Most expensive golf equipment or gear that you own.
• 31:55
  It could be a club, it could be a pair of shoes, whatever it is.
• 31:58
  And what's the price? Len Belts, 1495.
• 32:01
  That's what one belt costs. That's like a small mortgage.
• 32:04
  Yes, it's expensive. Wow.
• 32:07
  No, no, no, no. You're paying.
• 32:08
  No one knows. I mean.
• 32:09
  The material is only so much. Money that we've played with
• 32:12
  anyone ever where in person we both have a bunch but.
• 32:17
  We got them when they when they were cheaper.
• 32:18
  That's the most expensive thing that you own.
• 32:20
  No, I have something much more. OK.
• 32:23
  Oh. She's like companies right now
• 32:24
  listening to the pastcast going, Oh my gosh, none of the two guys
• 32:26
  that bought our belts right? Now exactly, you built their
• 32:31
  business for them. OK, where is your bucket list
• 32:34
  golf destination that you haven't gone to yet that you
• 32:37
  just you have to get there before before you die?
• 32:40
  There's three, there's 2-3 answers.
• 32:43
  OK. So the one that's very
• 32:45
  attainable that hopefully will happen within the next year is
• 32:48
  Shinnecock. What?
• 32:50
  You want to say that again? It's called.
• 32:51
  Shinnecock Golf Club. Where is it?
• 32:53
  It's in South Shinnecock Hills. It's called Shinnecock Hills.
• 32:57
  It's in Southampton, where they host the US Open.
• 33:00
  Really. Yeah, it's, it's a legendary
• 33:02
  place, it's supposed to be. So what has been through from
• 33:06
  going there? It's.
• 33:06
  Very difficult to get an invite. So it's difficult to get in.
• 33:09
  So there are people that have memberships there and they have
• 33:11
  to invite. Like Bloomberg is a member
• 33:13
  there. Very elite place, super elite,
• 33:15
  so all the high end people. Have like.
• 33:17
  I wouldn't say that they're. Expensive.
• 33:18
  Exclusive They host like the US Open for golf every six to 10
• 33:24
  years and that generates like, what was it, 10 bucks 88 million
• 33:27
  dollars? So have you gone to watch the
• 33:28
  tournament? No, it's very difficult to get
• 33:30
  there. To go watch a tournament.
• 33:31
  To buy a ticket. No, no, that's easy.
• 33:33
  That's if you get out there, there's one Rd. in, one Rd. out.
• 33:35
  It's very difficult. Is it going to happen now?
• 33:37
  Oh, absolutely, 100%. Always try to bring mayor as so
• 33:41
  far it's worked out, but. But that's your bucket list.
• 33:44
  No, that's 1A and then one is Augusta National, which is where
• 33:50
  they play the Masters. Nice.
• 33:52
  In Augusta, GA. I didn't know Augusta's in
• 33:54
  Georgia. I wasn't aware, but it's in
• 33:56
  Georgia. Is that hard to get into or is
• 33:58
  there something you're not? Yes, it's also hard to get
• 33:59
  there. That's the hardest, the hardest,
• 34:01
  the hardest. Wow, what's your plan?
• 34:03
  How are you going to do it? I have ways.
• 34:05
  OK, it's Mayor. What's your IT?
• 34:07
  Hasn't worked yet. The bucket list is the same
• 34:09
  place as him. Or do you have your own SO?
• 34:10
  Let me just give a little background to there's, there are
• 34:13
  private courses where people are members and then in order for
• 34:16
  you to join, you either got to become a member, which may be
• 34:19
  impossible and might be hundreds of years of wait lists, or you
• 34:22
  need to be somebody. We have a friend, a guy that we
• 34:25
  know that is a member at our club, which is Manhattan Woods,
• 34:28
  who's very wealthy and he wanted to join Augusta.
• 34:31
  He's worth well into the billions and he was turned down,
• 34:35
  so it's not a money thing. They're looking for younger.
• 34:37
  Men or whatever it is, but they're, when you ask the
• 34:39
  question, I sort of understood it as what's a place that we can
• 34:43
  go? There are many destination
• 34:44
  places that are public that are beautiful.
• 34:46
  Some of the top courses in the world are public.
• 34:48
  You just need to be able to get a tee time and you pay three,
• 34:50
  $400.00 or whatever it costs. But there are private places
• 34:53
  like Shinnecock or Augusta, and there it's not about money, it's
• 34:56
  about who you if you know somebody.
• 34:58
  YSF. It's like big YSF.
• 35:00
  Who do you know who's on the board?
• 35:02
  It's AYSV is like getting into the Pentagon.
• 35:05
  Imagine YSV right now. There's 1000 kids in YSV.
• 35:07
  Imagine that you had a YSV, every class had 10 kids, and you
• 35:12
  had the size of the community that we're in.
• 35:14
  Trying to get into YSV with 10 kids per class.
• 35:17
  Very difficult. What type of class?
• 35:18
  Or maybe five, Maybe two kids per class.
• 35:20
  Wow, Interesting. OK.
• 35:23
  Right. So then you need to know a
• 35:23
  member and you need a member to have you take him.
• 35:26
  Now you have to realize that every guy that this member knows
• 35:28
  that plays golf wants him to take him there.
• 35:31
  It's annoying. He's like stop asking me.
• 35:33
  I got the next 100 guys already asking me.
• 35:35
  Then this. The clubs make rules like
• 35:37
  Shinnecock has a rule that you can only bring 6 guests a month.
• 35:41
  That means a typical round of GOB is with four people, so the
• 35:44
  host and three guests and he can do it twice a month in the
• 35:48
  summer because they don't want all these guests there.
• 35:50
  The members want to play themselves.
• 35:52
  I don't want guests in my club all day.
• 35:53
  But it's difficult to get on. It's not about money, it's about
• 35:56
  who you know. I hope you take a lot of
• 35:57
  pictures when you finally get there.
• 35:58
  But the number one course in the world is actually in New Jersey.
• 36:02
  It's called Pine Valley. What makes it the number one
• 36:04
  course in the world? We have never played it.
• 36:07
  But how does it get ranked? What's it predicated on?
• 36:11
  There the land is just the way it's very private, is it?
• 36:14
  The most expensive? No, no, none of these have to
• 36:17
  do. So it's just the most.
• 36:17
  Coveted. It's not on the ocean like
• 36:19
  Shinnecock's not on the ocean. Shinnecock is right next to
• 36:21
  water and it's you can't see any water.
• 36:23
  There are other two other courses right next to it that
• 36:25
  are on the water, which is more beautiful, but it's something
• 36:28
  about it. It's supposedly unbelievable.
• 36:31
  The rolling land. You want rolling land, not flat,
• 36:34
  you don't want. Mountainous you want.
• 36:36
  Right. Just do a lot of walking.
• 36:37
  So you want it to be easy on the legs?
• 36:39
  OK, What is your biggest pet peeve about other golf players?
• 36:45
  This is a great question your. Biggest pet peeve, like what
• 36:47
  annoys you, what irks you when you're golfing with someone or
• 36:51
  even if not golfing with them, but things that people do that
• 36:54
  really annoys you, I'll go first.
• 36:55
  I'm gonna go first. No, no, you only get to pick 11
• 36:59
  big. Nothing bothers you, Al.
• 37:01
  It's true, I try not to let anything bother me, but if we
• 37:04
  had to my number one goal. We're having that kind of day.
• 37:06
  What would you be? Playing slowly.
• 37:08
  Oh, isn't that, that's like not proper etiquette to people that
• 37:10
  isn't that? Like, I'm not a golfer and I
• 37:12
  know that it's not proper to hold up the.
• 37:15
  Yeah, but does the guy driving 50 in the left lane know he's
• 37:17
  going slow or he just thinks it's like that's normal?
• 37:19
  Just anything delusional about it, like they don't even realize
• 37:22
  they don't now. Would you say something to
• 37:23
  someone that you know when you see that happening?
• 37:25
  It depends. Because you know me, I don't
• 37:27
  have an enemy not to say something.
• 37:28
  When I see somebody doing something, that irks me.
• 37:31
  And this is a big problem I have and it gets me into a lot of
• 37:33
  trouble. But I have to say something.
• 37:35
  I feel like it's my duty to say something.
• 37:37
  If I don't say something, who will say something?
• 37:39
  And then they'll never know. I'm almost doing the person a
• 37:41
  favor by saying something. You don't do the same thing.
• 37:44
  No. So you just keep it quiet and
• 37:46
  you suffer. No, and that'll be the last time
• 37:48
  I play with them. Saying slow people that play
• 37:51
  with you. Oh yes.
• 37:53
  I think talking about people that in front of you are playing
• 37:55
  slowly. Then I'll whistle.
• 37:56
  Then you would say so, yeah, but let them know that I'm watching
• 37:59
  and you're out of line. Pick it up, the guys that play
• 38:02
  with you and he's not gonna play with them again.
• 38:04
  I'll try to gently, you know, prod people along, you know?
• 38:08
  Alright, we gotta pick up here and keep moving.
• 38:10
  People are playing no, no, no. They wanna make sure they're
• 38:12
  hitting the best shot some. People are slow, some people are
• 38:14
  fast. Being good or bad has nothing to
• 38:17
  do with it. It could be the worst.
• 38:18
  Play in the world and play fast and you can be the best player
• 38:20
  and play. Slow.
• 38:21
  OK, yeah. What's your biggest pet peeve?
• 38:23
  So it's gotta stick to 1, you know?
• 38:27
  It's one pet peeve really, and many people will have that do
• 38:30
  this, but it's pretty much making noise and moving while
• 38:34
  one is about to hit. It's something I need to work on
• 38:36
  to get better. At but I feel like that's
• 38:38
  something that's very commonly understood is when a player was
• 38:41
  hitting. It's not just in golf, in any
• 38:42
  sport, when a tennis player was serving right, You, you can't
• 38:46
  make noise at that moment. That's very normal.
• 38:49
  There are all these stories about Tiger Woods when he was
• 38:50
  growing up and his father would drop keys or make noises in his
• 38:53
  backswing to try to distract him in his mental game, which I'm
• 38:56
  sure helped him. There were videos of him
• 38:58
  stopping is back, you know, in the middle of a swing before
• 39:00
  hitting balls and the announcer saying like, how can you
• 39:02
  possibly do that or whatever. But yeah, that kind of thing
• 39:05
  bothers me. But usually what I believe
• 39:06
  happens is the people that do it don't are not bothered by that.
• 39:10
  So they don't see peripherally like I noticed a lot of movement
• 39:13
  or sound. No, I move while you're hitting.
• 39:16
  No, no, no. Mayor, you're talking about like
• 39:19
  the person that's playing with you.
• 39:20
  Caddies at carrier clubs, once in a while you'll play with, you
• 39:23
  know, random caddy at another course and the guy will just
• 39:26
  start walking while you're hitting.
• 39:27
  And I see it and what happens is I take my mind sort of wanders
• 39:31
  to him, which it shouldn't. It should stick with my plan of
• 39:34
  what I'm trying to do when I hit the ball.
• 39:36
  And all of a sudden I'm thinking about that and I hit a bad shot
• 39:38
  and and it just ruins my whole round.
• 39:40
  Mayor, I got to tell you, you're triggering something for me
• 39:42
  right now. I'm sure you really are
• 39:44
  triggering something for me right now because I have a story
• 39:46
  with you. And so for those that don't
• 39:47
  know, you're a master balcore. OK, so for those non Hebrew
• 39:52
  speaking folks, a balcore is somebody who reads the Torah
• 39:57
  every single week in the synagogue.
• 39:59
  You know, you have to have a professional that does it
• 40:01
  because the words and the tune that it goes in is not just
• 40:05
  plainly written and it has to be done by someone who's practiced
• 40:08
  and knows what they're doing. And you're one of those guys.
• 40:10
  And I have to say, you do a phenomenal job.
• 40:13
  I think our synagogue particularly is very fortunate
• 40:16
  that we have someone that knows how to do it well because a lot
• 40:18
  of synagogues have people that aren't that great and it's hard
• 40:22
  to listen to sometimes, but you're very easy to listen to.
• 40:25
  And we've had people who've come to our Shoal and have spent
• 40:28
  Shabbos by us and heard you and said the same thing, that we get
• 40:30
  always good feedback from people and say you're about Corey, what
• 40:33
  he knows, what he's doing. He's so we're very fortunate.
• 40:36
  But, and I want to dial this back like, I don't know, 3-4
• 40:39
  years ago, 4-5 years ago. I think today, Mayor, you're a
• 40:43
  different person in a lot of ways than it used to.
• 40:45
  But I remember a story that happened where I was just kind
• 40:49
  of minding my own business and you were laning, you were doing
• 40:51
  your thing. So you thought I was correct and
• 40:53
  I fidgeted the wrong way all right this time.
• 40:54
  And you stopped. You stopped dead in your tracks
• 40:59
  and you gave me a look and everybody stopped with you
• 41:02
  because as soon as the ball Corey stops, the whole show's
• 41:04
  like, whoa, what's going on? What's happening?
• 41:06
  And it became a scene. That very dramatic scene
• 41:08
  unfolded right in front of me. But you stopped and you looked
• 41:11
  at me. It was for not a long time.
• 41:12
  It was for a few seconds. That's all it took.
• 41:14
  When that happened, it was a shocking moment and.
• 41:18
  It's a perfect. Because it bothered you because
• 41:20
  somebody made a movement while you were performing your your
• 41:22
  art, you were doing your art and somebody, somebody interfered
• 41:25
  with that. And when you're saying this
• 41:27
  about golf, that's your pet peeve.
• 41:28
  That makes perfect sense. Like it's very in line.
• 41:31
  I have to. Concentrate and both I've grown,
• 41:33
  I'm I'm much stronger. I don't have to prepare to the
• 41:36
  same extent and I don't have to concentrate as much.
• 41:38
  So things moving around, making noises.
• 41:40
  It doesn't bother you as much. But in golf, it's very much like
• 41:43
  that. I need to be able to focus on
• 41:46
  what I'm trying to do. And if whatever reason something
• 41:49
  takes me away from that ability to focus, I lose it.
• 41:53
  And it doesn't always get me. Sometimes I don't notice it, you
• 41:56
  know, sometimes I will say like, hey, did I get you?
• 41:58
  Meaning like, did he do something?
• 42:00
  I I didn't notice, but there are certain people that I have no
• 42:02
  idea what's going on. I literally.
• 42:04
  They're almost obnoxious about it.
• 42:05
  Wonder what it's not There's. A guy in a four lane highway
• 42:08
  doing on the left lane going 50. That's one of my pet peeves do
• 42:11
  doing. It's very selfish.
• 42:12
  It's very self-centered. It's like the world is your is
• 42:15
  your ashtray. It's like I'm going to drive in
• 42:17
  a left lane at my own, you know, pace my own speed and forget
• 42:20
  about people that are behind me. It's like it's very selfish.
• 42:23
  But I mean, you would not have done this six months ago if I
• 42:26
  did that same motion, whatever I did four years ago, you wouldn't
• 42:29
  have done that today. Now I'm curious what by the way,
• 42:33
  big change You're you're one of the more well tempered people
• 42:37
  that I know today. It's hard to get a rise out of
• 42:38
  you. You don't really get upset.
• 42:40
  But back in the day you weren't no, that's awesome.
• 42:43
  Not you weren't getting upset with it, but you're very passive
• 42:45
  aggressive about it. Today.
• 42:46
  You're in control, like you're a different person.
• 42:48
  I'm curious in life, like, what was that trigger for you?
• 42:51
  What was that point? What happened?
• 42:54
  Maybe it wasn't one particular thing that happens, a series of
• 42:56
  events. What was it that changed that
• 42:58
  brought you to this calm place, this confident place that you in
• 43:02
  today exuding this, you know, you have it all together.
• 43:06
  And at one point it wasn't like that.
• 43:08
  You were rigid. You were tough.
• 43:10
  You had to walk on egg shells around you almost absolutely,
• 43:12
  you know, So what? What was it?
• 43:14
  Walk us through. It it was definitely a mix of a
• 43:15
  few things. First of all, I want to say that
• 43:17
  I'm not like that in golf. I wish I had that capability in
• 43:20
  golf. Everyone who plays golf with me
• 43:22
  sort of feels that way, the way you're describing the on egg,
• 43:26
  walking on egg shells, kind of. Final Frontier.
• 43:28
  It's if I can conquer that, you know, so I don't have all the
• 43:31
  answers. Doesn't play golf.
• 43:32
  I just want you to know that No, no, he's retired.
• 43:36
  He's retired. He has not.
• 43:38
  He's quit golf. You saying Mayor has quit golf?
• 43:42
  He doesn't play golf. He only plays pickleball now.
• 43:45
  It's just. Permanent.
• 43:45
  That's how you know the love is real.
• 43:47
  As he's fighting with golf right now.
• 43:48
  He's having an argument, but he'll he'll go right back.
• 43:50
  We're not worried. But you were saying?
• 43:52
  I I always threatened to to quit golf and I threatened he quit.
• 43:55
  I quit. I quit.
• 43:56
  I'm retired. I'm going to tell Al.
• 43:58
  Al doesn't even know this. So I quit golf like a week ago
• 44:00
  because I had a rough round and I'm like why am I doing this to
• 44:03
  myself? So it's not because he had.
• 44:05
  A rough but that. But that day that I quit, I
• 44:07
  booked a lesson for a few weeks later.
• 44:09
  I was just going to like, I figured I'll take with who off
• 44:12
  with Jason, but he wasn't. Asked me about you.
• 44:15
  He wasn't available. You could, you could read my
• 44:17
  message with him, but so I, I always threaten to quick off
• 44:20
  because as you know, and as you pointed out, I like to do things
• 44:24
  well, or at least to the best of my ability.
• 44:26
  I've gotten really good at golf. I've gotten a lot better, but
• 44:29
  I'm just not at the level that I want to be at and it kills me.
• 44:32
  So it's similar to the way I used to lane and the way you
• 44:36
  describe that that instance where I laser focused, I laser
• 44:41
  that, you know, I took a break and whatever it was, I don't
• 44:43
  have the, I haven't conquered that mental aspect of the golf.
• 44:47
  But to answer your question, what changed?
• 44:50
  I'd say a couple of things. You know, I wasn't at the place
• 44:53
  I wanted to be in business and I think that really changed my
• 44:57
  mindset. You know, it really changed the
• 44:59
  way I feel about things. I think the confidence is there,
• 45:02
  but I need to still get better at golf with that.
• 45:04
  You know, it's very true. People don't give enough
• 45:08
  credence to how they look externally, which makes them
• 45:12
  feel internally. I have a friend, he's been
• 45:15
  overweight his whole life, his whole life, and I know how
• 45:20
  deeply it bothers him when he shares that with me.
• 45:22
  We're very close, so he tells me about it, but it goes even
• 45:24
  further than what he actually vocalizes to me.
• 45:26
  Know how. And all he does is he builds his
• 45:29
  entire day around how he's going to lose weight because to him
• 45:32
  that's the most important thing. And outside looking and he has a
• 45:35
  lot of amazing things. He's a really quality person.
• 45:38
  He has a lot of good going for him.
• 45:39
  But this is 1 area that he really struggled with and it
• 45:41
  really hurts your confidence. It really does.
• 45:44
  And that's why when people are overweight, they'll go through
• 45:47
  drastic measures to try and lose weight.
• 45:49
  Like they'll go through surgery. I mean, they'll cut themselves
• 45:52
  open in order. And and it's not just, you know,
• 45:55
  somebody being shallow. You know, it's a real thing.
• 45:58
  We as humans, we really do internalize how we look
• 46:01
  externally. It's important to us and I can
• 46:03
  respect that. Now you did it even when you're
• 46:05
  successful financially, No one, I mean very few people go and
• 46:09
  show their bank statements or how much they're making.
• 46:12
  It's an internal feeling. At the end of the day, you're
• 46:15
  feeling of success. Same with leaning.
• 46:17
  Like nobody's judging. Nobody cared if I made a mistake
• 46:19
  or if I leaned at a certain speed.
• 46:21
  Nobody said anything. It's my own internal value, you
• 46:24
  know, evaluation of what I did. Same with everything in life.
• 46:28
  Like, I don't know. For me, some people, you know,
• 46:32
  have social media and they're all about like what others
• 46:34
  think. For me, it's about what I think
• 46:35
  and I can't trick myself. I know if I'm doing well as a
• 46:38
  husband or as a father or in business or in golf.
• 46:42
  I don't care if somebody says good chat or not.
• 46:44
  I know if it was a good chat. That's all I care about is what
• 46:46
  I think. It sounds like you really hold
• 46:48
  yourself accountable. Yes, it's a blessing and a
• 46:51
  curse. And you're sure they don't
• 46:52
  correct you like never happens. No, Nobody would mirror out.
• 46:55
  Nobody would dare I'm. Saying there's.
• 46:57
  One guy who likes. That actually.
• 46:59
  I would like to think I don't make many mistakes.
• 47:01
  Last one was Akika. Could be.
• 47:05
  Usually when I get a mistake I underline it so I know for the
• 47:09
  next year. On this you just again, you're
• 47:11
  just, I'm sorry that we're spiraling here.
• 47:13
  I didn't get the question #10 yet, but you mentioned something
• 47:17
  that really hit home with me a little bit.
• 47:19
  And I'm sorry, I'm getting a little personal right now.
• 47:21
  I apologize in advance. But I started seeing a therapist
• 47:26
  like, I don't know, 3-4 months ago.
• 47:29
  And it's not just a therapist, it's like a rabbi therapist.
• 47:32
  So it's like coming from a spiritual place, but also from
• 47:35
  a, from a real, you know, therapy place as well, like a
• 47:38
  licensed therapist as well. And one of the things that I've
• 47:40
  been learning is about giving yourself a pass, not being so
• 47:46
  harsh on yourself, not being a critic and, you know, not
• 47:49
  feeling like you're not good enough and you can do better and
• 47:53
  always trying to chase something more.
• 47:56
  Sometimes it's OK to say, you know, I actually did a great
• 47:58
  job. I'm actually putting in the
• 48:00
  effort. I'm putting in the time and I
• 48:03
  think that's very important and kind of what you, what you were
• 48:05
  saying, you know, that you really do hold yourself to a
• 48:07
  high pedigree and to a very, very high degree.
• 48:10
  And you're, you know, anything less than reaching 100% of it to
• 48:14
  you seems like it's a failure. It's like it's all or nothing.
• 48:17
  It's black or white. And there's a lot of people like
• 48:19
  that that hold themselves to a very, very high regard.
• 48:22
  I can't live that way. For me, I have to accept that
• 48:25
  it's not going to be perfect. And you know what?
• 48:27
  I want to actually give myself not just a pass, but compliment
• 48:31
  myself that you got the 70%. You got the 75%.
• 48:35
  You know, if your kid comes home and has a test score and shows
• 48:37
  you a 82, you have two things you can do.
• 48:40
  You can either say 82, where'd you go wrong?
• 48:43
  You know, you can focus on that. Or you go say, wow, 82, That's a
• 48:46
  high score. It's amazing.
• 48:48
  Let me see the questions that you got right.
• 48:49
  Does that resonate with what I'm saying?
• 48:51
  Yes, I would never say anything to my kid.
• 48:53
  If you got 82, like he did his best, that's great.
• 48:56
  Always try as best as best you can.
• 48:58
  That's what I think. I think I should be easier on
• 49:00
  myself, but I just have never been able to figure out how.
• 49:02
  And what's interesting about golf is I've gotten better, like
• 49:06
  just about every year. I've gotten better by playing
• 49:07
  with Al the last few years, many times a week.
• 49:10
  He's a phenomenal player, way better than I am.
• 49:12
  I've gotten better. The problem is once you shoot
• 49:15
  70, I believe I should shoot 70 every.
• 49:17
  Time you know what you're capable for yourself.
• 49:18
  Once you taste it, you know it's hard to go back, right?
• 49:21
  Once you fly first class, it's hard to go out.
• 49:23
  Once you fly private, it's hard to go back.
• 49:24
  It's hard to sit in the back of the middle seat in spirit after
• 49:27
  you fly private, right? It's just a hard thing to do.
• 49:30
  If you can give yourself a pass and just say, hey, my goal is to
• 49:32
  get there and it's just a destination thing, big deal.
• 49:34
  But most people can't do that. I I can't do it.
• 49:37
  By the way, not for nothing, but, you know, talking about
• 49:40
  therapy here, I'm Alan. Let me address this to you, OK?
• 49:44
  Therapy has been, like, stigmatized, at least in our
• 49:47
  community. It's been stigmatized as
• 49:49
  something negative, right? If there's something wrong, then
• 49:51
  you have to go to therapy. If there's something really
• 49:54
  good, you should go to therapy. In my opinion.
• 49:56
  You don't want to get too high. You don't want to get too low.
• 49:59
  When I got married, my wife pushed me to do therapy very
• 50:04
  early on, in the beginning for building tools, prevention.
• 50:08
  You know, why wait till there's a problem and then do treatment?
• 50:11
  Why not give yourself a good chance of succeeding by getting
• 50:15
  those tools upfront? And in our community, you know,
• 50:18
  therapy is like, whatever, OK, Oh, that person has problems.
• 50:20
  You've seen a therapist. I wonder what their problems are
• 50:22
  like. It's looked down upon.
• 50:24
  What a shame. Because therapy can be really
• 50:26
  enlightening. It can be very helpful and, you
• 50:29
  know, turn people's lives around and for, for the better, you
• 50:32
  know? So what's your take on on
• 50:34
  therapy? And specifically I'm curious
• 50:36
  specifically with therapy for children, meaning.
• 50:40
  Oh, I'm off. At an early age.
• 50:43
  What's your take on that? What do you feel about?
• 50:44
  About so I have 4 kids, one one son goes to therapy every single
• 50:48
  week and I don't know what type of therapy you're referring to,
• 50:51
  but I actually have other kids that go to other types of speech
• 50:54
  or reading therapy and I consider a golf lesson therapy.
• 50:57
  Any kind of opportunity you have to get better to have someone
• 51:01
  kind of give you input on what you're doing is therapy.
• 51:03
  And I think that my wife is my therapist.
• 51:06
  I think she's very highly qualified to be my therapist
• 51:10
  for, you know, at least what I'm willing to share, which is most
• 51:12
  things. I'm a pretty simple person, no
• 51:15
  complications here. What about therapy, by the way?
• 51:18
  You're opening my eyes because I'm using the word therapy in a
• 51:20
  very specific way. But you're expanding, right?
• 51:22
  And it helps you improve. Yeah.
• 51:23
  Therapy has to be something that I guess, provides, provides
• 51:26
  commonness that you can now think rationally and that you
• 51:29
  can now learn from, and then you can grow to make better
• 51:31
  decisions in the future. Right.
• 51:33
  I I would say something to that effect.
• 51:34
  I think it's to therapize is, I don't know, therapy is a, is a
• 51:39
  remedy for something, right? Is is a but you're talking about
• 51:43
  therapy from like a mental health perspective.
• 51:45
  Absolutely. I, I, I happen to think that
• 51:47
  therapy searching back in one's childhood, which is where
• 51:51
  everything starts. And whether we realize it or
• 51:53
  not, it manifests itself in a lot of ways later on in your
• 51:55
  interview. I happen to be a big fan of it
• 51:57
  here at Prime Source in general, you know, all of us, we're very,
• 52:00
  we actually bring in a rabbi who comes in once a month into our
• 52:05
  company and does. I don't want to call it a speech
• 52:08
  because it's not what it's very engaging, but it's really meant
• 52:11
  just to talk about how to be better people, how to grow
• 52:15
  personally, how to be more motivated, how to wake up and
• 52:18
  feeling better about yourself, how to not be your harshest
• 52:20
  critic, like things like that. Those are topics.
• 52:22
  And then we offer the employers a chance to also talk one-on-one
• 52:25
  with this person if they want to and continue the conversation
• 52:28
  because we encourage that. We feel like if people are
• 52:31
  feeling better about themselves, they'll, they'll be more
• 52:34
  productive and it'll serve us all.
• 52:36
  Every. It has a big effect on the
• 52:37
  people around you when you're not your best version, your
• 52:40
  kids, your wife, your friends, everybody suffers when someone
• 52:44
  is not feeling well. And I want to tell you, I was
• 52:46
  just talking to someone. This was shocking to me.
• 52:49
  I was just talking to someone and they were telling me that
• 52:52
  they don't feel connected to our community, to the people, to the
• 52:56
  neighbors. They don't feel connected and
• 52:59
  they don't feel like their apartment.
• 53:00
  Like what you're not what are you talking about?
• 53:02
  You're you're very part of like from what I see just shows how
• 53:05
  little we know and it shows how how, how blind we are, right.
• 53:10
  And what's happening is that the people in his life immediately
• 53:13
  are probably being affected by it because that person that I
• 53:16
  think we owe it not to ourselves.
• 53:18
  We owe it to the people around us to be the best versions that
• 53:21
  you can be. And I think my wife was very
• 53:23
  astute when she brought up in the beginning is let's try to
• 53:27
  set ourselves up for success. Let's give ourselves a chance, a
• 53:29
  fighting chance. But in our community,
• 53:31
  unfortunately, it's been stigmatized.
• 53:33
  I think get in tune with yourself, get in touch with what
• 53:36
  happened in your lives and what triggered certain things and
• 53:38
  learn more about yourself. I think it's a beautiful thing
• 53:40
  that has nothing to be ashamed of.
• 53:42
  And we've taught, I was taught when I was younger.
• 53:45
  And we, we perpetuate this sometimes because you have to be
• 53:48
  a little bit shame, keep things under the rug.
• 53:50
  And no, that's not how you get better.
• 53:52
  That's actually how you escalate.
• 53:53
  That's how it festers. And that's how it become, I'm
• 53:56
  very passionate about this because I think that, you know,
• 53:59
  and I've seen people around and it's a big deal.
• 54:01
  It makes a big change and we should embrace it.
• 54:03
  We should embrace it more. So that's why I like to ask, you
• 54:05
  know, what are your thoughts about it?
• 54:06
  And I think for our kids, but I think schools should institute
• 54:10
  this gym class, this math class, therapy class, terribly one on
• 54:15
  ones, one on ones with the kids, just the check insurance, just
• 54:18
  you know. I'm saying the parents should
• 54:20
  individually deal with it. I mean, the school is very,
• 54:22
  that'd be very difficult. I thought I'm talking about a
• 54:24
  class with actually teach them how do you deal with anger when
• 54:28
  anger arises? Like what's you know, why is it
• 54:30
  important you know not to be addicted to things?
• 54:33
  And I I just basic things to start the conversation.
• 54:36
  I listen to that. Yeah, I think exactly when we
• 54:39
  get older, when we start working on ourselves.
• 54:41
  I think therapy is a great thing.
• 54:43
  I think therapy at that. The way I understand therapy is
• 54:45
  to better yourself. Like I actually think this
• 54:49
  podcast is therapeutic. How often do we sit?
• 54:52
  I mean, I don't go to therapy, but I would go if I thought it
• 54:55
  would better if it would do something for me.
• 54:56
  Sometimes you're not sure who the right person to go to is and
• 54:59
  things like that. If somebody could you know,
• 55:01
  comment about a good therapist to help me with my golf issues
• 55:04
  and great I I would do it. That's where your problems lie
• 55:07
  in your golf game. Everything else is swimmingly
• 55:10
  golf. Is a is a metaphor.
• 55:11
  For life, Golf is like life. How often does one sit down and
• 55:14
  and get posed questions that you respond to and you bring out
• 55:18
  things you don't even know you weren't?
• 55:20
  We weren't planned. I didn't see any of these
• 55:21
  questions, right. And it's therapeutic.
• 55:24
  By the way, now we're talking a lot.
• 55:25
  It keeps circling back to golf. It's like I'm back at kiddos
• 55:28
  with you guys. It goes back to golf.
• 55:29
  So let me let me circle to actually one of the questions
• 55:31
  that's relevant for this, but it kind of opens up the door.
• 55:34
  And Augusta, I mean, I should. OK, I think there's a question a
• 55:36
  lot of people want to know and this is probably also good
• 55:40
  pointers for people that have the desire to play golf as often
• 55:43
  as you guys do, because let's face it, you guys play golf a
• 55:46
  lot. I'm talking about it really
• 55:48
  covers a bulk of your day. You're busy, you know, with,
• 55:51
  with golf, but how did you get your significant others to sort
• 55:55
  of participate and really enable this type of, of, of life that
• 56:00
  you have? I think most people couldn't get
• 56:03
  away with it. Now, I get it, you're both very
• 56:05
  good and it's for the greater good and all, but let's be
• 56:08
  realistic. There's got to be a line in the
• 56:09
  sand somewhere. I feel like you're crossing that
• 56:11
  line many times, but it's still going, you're still doing it.
• 56:14
  What's the secret? What's the secret?
• 56:17
  How do you do this, Mayor? I'm going to start with you.
• 56:20
  You're not. Going to love the answer, but
• 56:21
  she just, I, I, I didn't do anything.
• 56:24
  I don't coax her into it. I she just even today, which
• 56:28
  I'll mention, I've been on break for a week and she's like, why
• 56:31
  don't you go play? She's just a really sweet
• 56:33
  person. I don't know.
• 56:34
  She knows I like it, she knows I enjoy it, and she wants me to be
• 56:39
  happy. I don't know, it's pretty lame.
• 56:40
  It's not. You might want to edit that out.
• 56:43
  You're really not going to get you subscribers for that.
• 56:45
  OK, I'm going to go on a limit here and say I don't believe
• 56:46
  you. I believe that there is some
• 56:48
  type of arrangement. There's something that you're
• 56:50
  that you're holding back on us. But Al, I'm going to turn it to
• 56:53
  you. I'm going to turn it to and ask
• 56:54
  you like, how do you, how do you balance it out?
• 56:57
  What do you have to give up? What else are you giving up that
• 57:00
  makes up for? You know, your lavish, exquisite
• 57:04
  lifestyle. That's heavy.
• 57:07
  The fact that mayor's wife allows him so she can't, you
• 57:12
  know, competition. Like if mayor's wife lets, then
• 57:15
  of course my wife has to so she has to keep up.
• 57:18
  So I know that marriages have been like broken up over over
• 57:22
  golf. I know two or three people
• 57:25
  intimately that that literally would go to the golf course,
• 57:29
  change into their golf clothes, play golf, change back into
• 57:32
  their whatever clothes and go back home and not be able to
• 57:35
  tell their wives. I think it comes down we.
• 57:37
  Recently played with two random guys, two different guys, two
• 57:40
  different times and both had a similar story.
• 57:42
  Hey, I just had my first kid so I've only been able to play like
• 57:45
  once a week now and then like a few minutes later they'll ask
• 57:48
  us, you know, what's your situation?
• 57:49
  Are you guys married? You ever married?
• 57:51
  You have kids, you have 4 four kids, you both have 4 kids and.
• 57:54
  They're wide eyed, they kind of like they can't believe it.
• 57:56
  They can't play because they have one kid.
• 57:58
  You know, except for maybe once a week, you know, we can't even
• 58:01
  play on Chavez, otherwise we'd be playing so.
• 58:04
  You don't see guys like you in the course a lot either.
• 58:06
  The older people that are, you know, they already have
• 58:08
  grandkids, You know, they have the time, they're retired.
• 58:11
  And you guys are in the prime of your life and you're really
• 58:14
  having the luxury of dealing with.
• 58:16
  And I'm very happy for you. Don't get me wrong.
• 58:18
  I'm very happy for you. But I mean, you guys recognize
• 58:20
  that it's, you know, an anomaly. It's not very common.
• 58:24
  It's a good, you know, like I always think to myself like
• 58:28
  these are the best years of my life.
• 58:30
  And I've been thinking that since I'm 10 years old.
• 58:32
  That's literally how I wake up every day.
• 58:34
  And I think to myself, these are the best years of my life.
• 58:37
  Live as well as you can, enjoy every day.
• 58:40
  And I've repeatedly told my wife every single year, you know,
• 58:44
  like our kids are young, little kids, little problems.
• 58:46
  These are the best years, you know, like we're young and as we
• 58:49
  got older, you know, our kids are still.
• 58:51
  And now I have a teenager, I have a 15 year old.
• 58:53
  He's an excellent kid, 12. For sure.
• 58:57
  Well, good for you. I'm happy for you.
• 58:58
  But you know, it's I can't answer it.
• 59:00
  Sometimes it's just I don't want to call it luck or, or it's just
• 59:06
  a blessing. OK, cool.
• 59:08
  I. Guess so.
• 59:08
  I have a question I'm very curious about.
• 59:10
  I actually know this is a thing, but I don't know how it actually
• 59:14
  works when it comes to a business deal that you're
• 59:19
  chasing after and you agree to go out to the course and you go
• 59:23
  with the client and whatever it might be, right?
• 59:26
  There's an etiquette, I imagine. I think there's an etiquette of
• 59:29
  how you approach that first question or that first time you
• 59:34
  bring up when it comes to the business part of it.
• 59:36
  Let's face it, if I would go to the course with someone, I'm
• 59:38
  going strictly because I, I want to get to do business with him.
• 59:40
  I don't care about golf. I'm not interested in golf.
• 59:43
  For me, it's tedious. I just want to get through with
• 59:45
  the golf. Just like I don't even know at
• 59:46
  what point am I supposed to talk about business between holes in
• 59:51
  the club at the very end, whenever I was going to drink
• 59:54
  before in the drive the way and get it out of the way and then
• 59:56
  go. I'm not sure at work.
• 59:58
  What is the policy protocol? What guidelines can you give
• 1:00:02
  when it comes to what's your best chances of getting a solid
• 1:00:05
  deal done and doing it in a professional way?
• 1:00:08
  What's the etiquette when it comes to business?
• 1:00:09
  How does it work? And I generally don't know, so
• 1:00:12
  I'm asking. I'll answer because Mayor's
• 1:00:13
  never done anything business related on the golf course.
• 1:00:16
  I would say like this. I think in business, if you're
• 1:00:19
  looking at simply as transactional as like I'm trying
• 1:00:23
  to sell something to you and you're trying to buy something
• 1:00:25
  from me, it's really a low level of business.
• 1:00:28
  When it's assembly, you know, you're going to the cash
• 1:00:30
  register and you're giving someone money for whatever goods
• 1:00:34
  you, you sell. I think when you get to a
• 1:00:37
  slightly higher level of business, you're, you're really
• 1:00:39
  dealing with relationships and that's really what golf is.
• 1:00:43
  Golf allows you like this. We're sitting here talking
• 1:00:46
  about, you know, we're sitting here for an hour, two hours
• 1:00:48
  talking to each other, but we normally won't do this.
• 1:00:50
  Golf affords you the ability to walk around for four hours
• 1:00:53
  together with no distractions, to speak to each other, to learn
• 1:00:57
  about their families, learn about the person, see how they
• 1:01:00
  carry themselves, how they manage themselves around the
• 1:01:03
  golf course. They could be good, they could
• 1:01:04
  be bad. Like the quality of their golf
• 1:01:05
  doesn't matter. Although I do believe that the
• 1:01:09
  better golfer kind of makes people believe that if you're
• 1:01:15
  competent in one area, you're probably competent in another
• 1:01:17
  area. But that may or may not be true,
• 1:01:21
  but I think that overall it's about creating relationships.
• 1:01:25
  And when you know the person, usually you kind of understand
• 1:01:31
  how they'll react in business and how they'll treat you in
• 1:01:34
  business. And people want to work with
• 1:01:36
  people that they like and, and, and that's what it comes down
• 1:01:39
  to. I don't do, I haven't done any
• 1:01:40
  deals on the course. So, but I will say the one thing
• 1:01:43
  I think you could learn about a person on the course is there
• 1:01:46
  are guys who cheat a little bit. I'm not saying they're trying to
• 1:01:49
  trick you, but they fluff their ball up a little bit.
• 1:01:51
  In other words, if you hit the ball into the rough, which is
• 1:01:53
  the thicker grass, they might move it a little bit, which
• 1:01:56
  makes a gigantic difference. Or they might move it a little
• 1:01:59
  bit in the fairway or clean their ball a little bit or
• 1:02:01
  whatever it is. And sometimes they like will
• 1:02:03
  move it around. I found the ball behind the
• 1:02:05
  tree. Like there are little small
• 1:02:06
  things that people do that most people don't really care much
• 1:02:09
  about. And I believe that that shows
• 1:02:11
  you what they're about in life too, Meaning they're if they're
• 1:02:14
  one who bends the truth a little bit, that's somebody I would
• 1:02:19
  never want to partner with. That's not what I'm about at
• 1:02:21
  all. If anything, I would make sure
• 1:02:23
  to hit the ball with in a situation where Al might tell
• 1:02:25
  me, Mayor, listen, that was a crazy situation.
• 1:02:27
  Like you can move that. I want you to get injured.
• 1:02:29
  There's a root stair or something like that.
• 1:02:31
  I'm still going to hit it right. That's the only thing I'm going
• 1:02:34
  to add to this. But the other thing that they
• 1:02:35
  believe that the lie is true or that it's it's, it's fair.
• 1:02:40
  Because isn't there a code of conduct and golf?
• 1:02:42
  We're playing for fun. If we're just playing for fun,
• 1:02:44
  like, yeah, why? Why hurt yourself if you're in a
• 1:02:47
  match? I think like if when I'm playing
• 1:02:49
  with my son and I want him to learn the game and there's a
• 1:02:52
  situation that's rare or difficult that is not going to
• 1:02:56
  gain, he's not going to gain anything from it.
• 1:02:58
  I'm going to say, listen, just move the ball a little bit.
• 1:02:59
  We're practicing here. We're learning.
• 1:03:01
  But that's a mutual understanding.
• 1:03:04
  I'm talking about like in a situation where you're playing
• 1:03:06
  for money or you're in a tournament.
• 1:03:08
  It's the stakes are higher. You know, you see someone kind
• 1:03:11
  of go wander off and off, found the ball and like, or the guy
• 1:03:14
  could be like, all right, I'm dropping the ball here and fine,
• 1:03:17
  he says, I'm dropping the ball here.
• 1:03:19
  And the funniest thing is when you finish a hole, some people
• 1:03:23
  will will say, you know, one person usually keeps the card
• 1:03:25
  with the score and people say what do you want there?
• 1:03:31
  As if, as if, like it's a question about what you want
• 1:03:34
  versus what actually happened. What happened?
• 1:03:36
  Right. So what do you want there?
• 1:03:37
  Like give me a 5. They got made an 8.
• 1:03:40
  You know, so like two people can keep the scorecard and you'll
• 1:03:43
  have vastly different scores at the end of the day.
• 1:03:46
  But that because it's a study in human nature, it's a study in
• 1:03:49
  people's self-confidence, self worth, how they view themselves.
• 1:03:52
  Some people feel like they're they shouldn't score a certain
• 1:03:56
  way. They should be better than they
• 1:03:57
  are. And so they just can't bring
• 1:04:00
  themselves to put a higher score then.
• 1:04:04
  And that, to me, speaks to someone that either has a warped
• 1:04:06
  sense of reality or at least an inability to kind of reconcile
• 1:04:11
  their own. Yeah, I, I asked Lawrence Hajio
• 1:04:15
  if he's a, you know, he's a rabbi and he's very big into,
• 1:04:18
  you know, when Messiah comes, you know, Mashiah when it comes
• 1:04:20
  and today's what's going to be. So I asked and I was like, I was
• 1:04:22
  curious, like, what's going to happen when Mashiah comes and
• 1:04:25
  all the Jews are going to, you know, we're all going to
• 1:04:27
  congregate in Israel or whatever version, you know, they say is
• 1:04:29
  going to happen. What happens to the rest of the
• 1:04:31
  world? What happens to the people that
• 1:04:32
  are not Jews? Like where, where do they go?
• 1:04:34
  What are they? He said, No, no, no, no, they're
• 1:04:35
  they're still going to be around.
• 1:04:36
  Somebody has to buy retail, you know, somebody that we we still
• 1:04:39
  lead them to be around. But it was interesting because
• 1:04:42
  like, you know, everybody ganders to think what's going to
• 1:04:44
  happen and what's going to be the end of days.
• 1:04:46
  Nobody really knows. You know, it's, people have
• 1:04:48
  different perceptions of what's going to go on, but it's, it's
• 1:04:52
  actually a scary thought, you know, are you doing a better job
• 1:04:54
  raising your kids than your parents did raising you, You
• 1:04:57
  know? I I wonder so I'm the product of
• 1:05:00
  my parents parents day. First of all, I think you would
• 1:05:03
  say that Al is a great guy, right?
• 1:05:05
  And you got to give credit to the parents.
• 1:05:07
  I mean, whether they tried to get him to be this at this point
• 1:05:10
  or whatever. At some point, if a person is
• 1:05:13
  successful and they're a good person, then don't you have to
• 1:05:18
  give your parents credit? Of course you can't just.
• 1:05:20
  Say that I molded everything myself.
• 1:05:23
  Now, we may think that they should have done things
• 1:05:25
  differently, but they're coming at it from AL's parents and my
• 1:05:29
  parents come from very similar situation and we're both the
• 1:05:33
  oldest in the family. But I think we both came out and
• 1:05:37
  are pretty successful. But we're pillars of the
• 1:05:39
  community. We're good people.
• 1:05:41
  I think our kids think we're good people.
• 1:05:43
  Our wives think we're good people.
• 1:05:44
  I think overall you just, you got to give credit to your
• 1:05:46
  parents. That's what I would say.
• 1:05:49
  OK, that's a beautiful thing and I'll I'll accept.
• 1:05:52
  Now let's talk about some of those things that maybe weren't
• 1:05:55
  so great. Let's talk about some of the
• 1:05:56
  things that maybe we could learn from and do differently with our
• 1:06:00
  kids. Does anything come to mind when
• 1:06:02
  I ask you like, what did you go through and your siblings going
• 1:06:06
  through that you've learned from and you are make a conscious
• 1:06:09
  effort to do something differently with your kids?
• 1:06:12
  I don't know that I do anything consciously differently.
• 1:06:14
  It's just that I am different than my, my dad and my mom.
• 1:06:18
  So I don't think I'm trying to do things differently with my
• 1:06:21
  kids. I, I actually think there are a
• 1:06:23
  lot of things I'm, I, I, I'm lacking or I, I'm flawed in that
• 1:06:27
  my dad would have done better. You know what, like for example,
• 1:06:30
  I believe I was pushed to do things to a certain level.
• 1:06:34
  I didn't always get to that level.
• 1:06:36
  I don't push my kids enough, you know, but it's just something
• 1:06:39
  that's just who I am and I'm not great at it.
• 1:06:42
  But I don't think that my parents did a bad job.
• 1:06:44
  My dad wanted me to be a certain person.
• 1:06:46
  I think that's fine with that. There are certain, let's say,
• 1:06:48
  for example, with athletes, some athletes will talk about their
• 1:06:50
  dad pushing them, pushing them, and they were successful.
• 1:06:52
  I'm sure there are thousands of kids that were pushed that were
• 1:06:55
  never successful, that we've never heard from, right?
• 1:06:58
  And are broken. I don't think there's anything
• 1:06:59
  wrong. I mean, at the end of the day, a
• 1:07:02
  parent's job is to make their kid as great as possible.
• 1:07:06
  It's not, it's easy to just say here, here, watch a show all day
• 1:07:09
  and take off and just chill. That's easy for a parent to go
• 1:07:13
  and work on their kid and spend time even if their kid doesn't
• 1:07:16
  like it. I don't think there's anything
• 1:07:18
  wrong with it. I think it's admirable.
• 1:07:20
  Just sometimes kids are hurt by it later on and they take
• 1:07:23
  offense to it, you know? But everything has balances.
• 1:07:27
  Me, maybe I'd be a total loser. Yeah, Look, I I agree in a
• 1:07:32
  certain way that our parents, the older generation knew what
• 1:07:36
  they were doing to some extent. I mean, a lot of us turned out
• 1:07:39
  OK and, you know, they had their challenges.
• 1:07:42
  They're flawed as well. They're not perfect people.
• 1:07:44
  And they overall did a good job. I don't think that you could say
• 1:07:47
  fairly one person does a better job than the other.
• 1:07:50
  I think it's very hard. There's a lot circumstances.
• 1:07:53
  I. Mean there are people that are
• 1:07:55
  neglectful or abusive or. Right.
• 1:07:57
  And that happens in every generation.
• 1:07:59
  I think a parent's job is to see where their kid is weak and help
• 1:08:01
  them with it, which is very tough, right?
• 1:08:03
  Every every family you look at it, there is very are very few
• 1:08:07
  families that have every kid is exactly the same.
• 1:08:09
  Everyone's different and helping a kid get to be the best they
• 1:08:13
  can be is the job of a parent at the end of the day.
• 1:08:17
  And my belief is a kid was never asked to be born.
• 1:08:20
  A parent had the kid, and it's a parent's job to make sure that
• 1:08:24
  their kid is the best they can be.
• 1:08:26
  Everyone's given different abilities, right?
• 1:08:29
  Like I can never be the golfer. Al is just not really possible.
• 1:08:34
  He's more athletic than I am when it comes to that, but I can
• 1:08:36
  be as good as I can be and he can be as good as he can be.
• 1:08:39
  Different levels, and that's what a parent's job is, if you
• 1:08:42
  ask me. I love that.
• 1:08:43
  I love that comparison. Don't measure up to the next
• 1:08:45
  person is just be the best version that you can be.
• 1:08:48
  And that's what you want your kids to strive for as well, to
• 1:08:51
  be the best version of themselves and be a support
• 1:08:53
  system for that to get there and be a good resource for them.
• 1:08:56
  So we're running out of time here slowly, guys.
• 1:08:58
  What did you guys didn't touch on for sure?
• 1:09:00
  Like I say, my parents, even myself, we didn't have the
• 1:09:04
  ability to join all these leagues, all the sports that we
• 1:09:07
  have. That's true.
• 1:09:09
  And our kids and our parents, my parents for sure.
• 1:09:11
  I'm a lot older than you guys. Like they didn't, they had
• 1:09:13
  nothing, you know, like Little League, like was like a foreign
• 1:09:16
  thing. I grew up Muncie.
• 1:09:17
  I'm here 42 years. I played in Muncie Little League
• 1:09:20
  when there was one front team and the other 5 or 6 front kids
• 1:09:25
  played on another team. But like, there's one full front
• 1:09:27
  team. Lakewood, they're blossoming.
• 1:09:29
  You see what's going on in Lakewood.
• 1:09:30
  They have this, I think it's called LBA and become a full
• 1:09:34
  blown business. They're actually like monetizing
• 1:09:37
  by the way they're making money this week.
• 1:09:38
  Why do you think any of that is good for kids?
• 1:09:41
  Because. One of the self-confidence that
• 1:09:42
  you. Get I'm asking that because I
• 1:09:44
  want I want to hear your opinion on because I think it's bad.
• 1:09:46
  No, no, I, I as a person, I, I believe that for certain people,
• 1:09:52
  sports allows people to explore their identity and it's a
• 1:09:56
  microcosm of their own life where they are mini challenges
• 1:10:03
  replicate life challenges, which is why I think people are so
• 1:10:07
  obsessed with golf. Even athletes that have played
• 1:10:09
  football, whatever it is, they all gravitate towards golf when
• 1:10:11
  they're finished with their careers.
• 1:10:13
  And sports in general allows people to have a micro dose of
• 1:10:21
  intensity of overcoming challenges that and have a very
• 1:10:26
  clear direct result that they can realize.
• 1:10:33
  Well, that's a good thing. Oh. 100% and I think when we
• 1:10:35
  were. So I don't.
• 1:10:37
  I do I. I thought you said you don't
• 1:10:39
  like the ample amounts of leagues that are going off.
• 1:10:42
  I love it. Yeah.
• 1:10:43
  It's amazing. Because as you were talking, I
• 1:10:45
  wish you're kind of proving my point.
• 1:10:46
  No, no, no. Like, you know, it's it's
• 1:10:48
  amazing. So many reasons.
• 1:10:49
  But Stephen, to answer your question, the reason you're
• 1:10:51
  right, it was not around when we were a kid.
• 1:10:52
  I'll push my kid into every league that exists.
• 1:10:55
  Like, if he wants to play, I'm there.
• 1:10:56
  I'll. And by the way, I'm backing it
• 1:10:58
  up. I put the effort in.
• 1:10:59
  I'll leave work early if I have to drive at 6:45 at night, which
• 1:11:03
  is annoying to go to a basketball, but I do it Sundays,
• 1:11:06
  you know, I put the time in because I really think it's
• 1:11:09
  actually going to help him in a lot of ways.
• 1:11:11
  So it means something and it's important.
• 1:11:13
  It's I think it's critical as he grows.
• 1:11:15
  Kids today, they're not playing sports, unfortunately, they're
• 1:11:19
  not considered like somewhat cool, you know, and they're not
• 1:11:22
  going to get the confidence and it's going to be harder for them
• 1:11:25
  to excel. It's going to be much harder.
• 1:11:26
  For them, you're speaking from someone who values sports.
• 1:11:29
  I have I have 4 kids, I have three boys and I'm a big sports
• 1:11:35
  person. I play a lot of sport.
• 1:11:36
  I don't follow sports, but I play a lot of sports and one son
• 1:11:41
  play sports. 1 doesn't, 2 don't. And they're not so into it.
• 1:11:45
  And you know, they have groups of kids that just don't play
• 1:11:49
  sports and they're not into it and they're fine as long as they
• 1:11:51
  develop a healthy, I would say humorous personality where
• 1:11:57
  they're not to, they're not. I think the key is not to be
• 1:12:01
  angry like the kids these days seem.
• 1:12:04
  The unhealthy ones seem to be a little bit angry if they don't
• 1:12:07
  have this feeling at least maybe towards their parents or towards
• 1:12:10
  their life or school or whatever it is where they're not angry.
• 1:12:14
  I think they need like adults too.
• 1:12:15
  They need to have love of life, right?
• 1:12:18
  I mean, oh, so you love life, right?
• 1:12:19
  And you got a. Some days, not every day.
• 1:12:21
  You gotta keep the party, you gotta fire in you like you need
• 1:12:24
  a fire. So some people it's sports and
• 1:12:27
  sports is great. But you know what, I remember
• 1:12:29
  playing, I still vividly remember I was 910 years old and
• 1:12:32
  I was playing basketball and we had this kid on my team who was
• 1:12:35
  horrible. I mean, like couldn't even
• 1:12:36
  dribble. And, you know, it was one of
• 1:12:38
  those parents that like pushed their kid to play and we would
• 1:12:41
  never pass the kid 'cause he's, it was terrible.
• 1:12:44
  And the mother literally started berating me, like for not
• 1:12:46
  passing to the kid. I'm like, your kid doesn't even
• 1:12:48
  want to play. He like literally told me don't
• 1:12:51
  pass me the ball. But you're like the crazy
• 1:12:54
  mother. I still think about this kid.
• 1:12:55
  There's no way this kid's talking to the mother like the
• 1:12:57
  mother. Was it was almost like she
• 1:12:58
  needed it more than. No, she heard.
• 1:12:59
  Like, oh, your kid has to play sports otherwise they're like,
• 1:13:02
  you know, but like. You just got to have a fire.
• 1:13:04
  You got to have a love hobbies. Where's the father?
• 1:13:08
  I don't know. That's.
• 1:13:09
  A little bit odd, by the way, like the mother of Bush.
• 1:13:12
  I don't know that was. Weird hobbies hobbies like your
• 1:13:14
  wives have to have hobbies, you have to have hobbies.
• 1:13:17
  It's important to have things you're interested in if.
• 1:13:19
  You have nothing that you like, how could you enjoy life?
• 1:13:22
  Right, right. You got to have certain hobbies.
• 1:13:24
  People. That's Torah.
• 1:13:25
  Or you know, I don't know what else is it golf.
• 1:13:28
  Golf. That's I don't know, what else
• 1:13:30
  do people like to do? Read.
• 1:13:32
  I mean, whether it's there's there's guys who play darts and
• 1:13:37
  bowling and that's what they do every day, four or five days a a
• 1:13:40
  week, you just have to enjoy it. Pick something, find your lane
• 1:13:44
  and and live in it and. Find it and it might change like
• 1:13:46
  a lot of think golf is dumb for many years and they'll never
• 1:13:50
  play golf. Like I play baseball, I play
• 1:13:52
  basketball, I play tennis, and then they start playing golf and
• 1:13:55
  they can't believe like we have a friend, right, who just
• 1:13:57
  started playing golf, golf. The guy's an absolute addict.
• 1:13:59
  He used to talk to us and say, why are you guys talking about
• 1:14:01
  golf? Golf is so dumb, right?
• 1:14:03
  It's so dumb. And now did.
• 1:14:04
  He say that at one point. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:14:06
  And now he's like, why didn't you guys get me into it 10 years
• 1:14:08
  ago? Like what?
• 1:14:09
  We tried. Not like we're not going to coax
• 1:14:11
  you into it. You're bad people, by the way,
• 1:14:12
  because you know that this person is now going to
• 1:14:15
  inevitably, and he's never going to do anything else.
• 1:14:17
  They reach equilibrium. People reach equilibrium.
• 1:14:20
  If they can't have a healthy relationship with golf, it means
• 1:14:23
  they have an unhealthy relationship with life and they
• 1:14:25
  have an inability to regulate their own emotions.
• 1:14:27
  When I tell you guys something that I think the three of us can
• 1:14:30
  take on as a group, the three of us as a little like let's take
• 1:14:34
  on a project upon ourselves because you're right, Mayor, I'm
• 1:14:37
  a decent guy. I have a decent personality and
• 1:14:40
  I'm saying a decent, you know, the best.
• 1:14:43
  I'm using very number. One skill is.
• 1:14:44
  Yeah. What is your number one skill?
• 1:14:46
  Is she #1 skill? What makes like?
• 1:14:49
  A number one skill. What makes like in life my
• 1:14:51
  number one skill? Like, you know.
• 1:14:52
  In life, not in your very hard question, you're.
• 1:14:54
  Answering I'm very uncomfortable right now, you know?
• 1:14:57
  And what I would think is you make things happen.
• 1:15:00
  OK, a doer. A lot of people are doers, but
• 1:15:03
  yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll label myself a.
• 1:15:05
  Doer might be told or asked to do something to make it you.
• 1:15:09
  You conceive of the idea, or even if someone else has the
• 1:15:12
  idea, and you make it happen. I appreciate those kind of
• 1:15:14
  words. Thank you.
• 1:15:14
  But I want to go back to what I was saying.
• 1:15:16
  I really think that we should do something.
• 1:15:17
  I could really do more of this. I think I'm a terrible person
• 1:15:20
  because I don't do this enough. How many people sit around not
• 1:15:25
  like us that are feeling somewhat in the background, that
• 1:15:28
  are feeling somewhat removed, that are feeling somewhat
• 1:15:31
  ignored and they would love to be more part of things and what
• 1:15:35
  a difference it would make in someone's life.
• 1:15:36
  And it really doesn't cost us a whole lot, right?
• 1:15:38
  We're not spending money on this.
• 1:15:39
  Just a little bit more of a just a little acknowledgement a
• 1:15:42
  little. I'm tired of this.
• 1:15:44
  I'm sitting in my hands. I I'm a snob that way and and
• 1:15:47
  it's really not nice and I want to make more of an effort.
• 1:15:50
  And I think that the three of us should should take this on is to
• 1:15:53
  be more not just approachable. So I.
• 1:15:56
  You're going to start inviting, like there's like 3-4 guys that
• 1:15:59
  just moved into the neighborhood.
• 1:16:00
  You're going to start inviting them for meals.
• 1:16:03
  Inviting them to my home. What are you going to do?
• 1:16:05
  Will. I say hi to them, I don't know,
• 1:16:07
  invite them for breakfast, anybody except.
• 1:16:08
  I had this idea that when we moved into the new synagogue, we
• 1:16:12
  moved into a new building a few weeks ago.
• 1:16:14
  And when obviously we always sit together.
• 1:16:16
  We've been sitting together for years at Kiddish, which is where
• 1:16:19
  we just sit around and talk like we're doing now that we, if we
• 1:16:21
  all, every seat has a seat number.
• 1:16:24
  Let's say we have 100 people there.
• 1:16:25
  You pull a number out of the hat and you have to sit in that
• 1:16:27
  seat. What a good we have this thing
• 1:16:29
  and everyone. 'S a great idea default, but the
• 1:16:31
  issue is, yeah, it might be a great idea.
• 1:16:33
  You know why? Maybe the three of us could talk
• 1:16:35
  to any which guy, but there are a lot of people who don't like
• 1:16:38
  this is my one hour that I get to chill and hang with my boys.
• 1:16:40
  That also by the way, I'm back on the other side.
• 1:16:42
  You don't care. What a good argument, Trump.
• 1:16:46
  I don't know what by the both really good.
• 1:16:47
  Points you do it every 4th week. You can do it any you.
• 1:16:50
  Know it's every. And now that's.
• 1:16:52
  That's a good, that's a good compromise.
• 1:16:53
  That's. What we came up with, he said.
• 1:16:54
  Every Shabbos Muvarakum should be the one where everybody
• 1:16:58
  changes their seat. But it's a lot of work, by the
• 1:17:00
  way, you have to prep this because you have to know who's
• 1:17:01
  coming, that Chavez. Make sure everybody's name is in
• 1:17:03
  a hat. You can't leave people out.
• 1:17:05
  Pick a number. Go on and pick a number.
• 1:17:07
  Pick a number, and then there's a number.
• 1:17:08
  Interesting idea, by the way. Let's petition for this.
• 1:17:12
  I'm I'm going to petition for this.
• 1:17:14
  First of all, I have to have to clear this with our venerable
• 1:17:16
  leader and our fearless leader of the rabbi making sure that
• 1:17:18
  he's. Can't see why he would have an
• 1:17:19
  issue with it. OK, maybe we can't see it right
• 1:17:21
  now, but you know, I'm going to bring it up.
• 1:17:23
  I I'm a fan of this because first of all, I'm all about this
• 1:17:27
  podcast. Just so you know, Michael always
• 1:17:29
  preaches this and he mentions this a few times an episode.
• 1:17:32
  It's all about growing personally, becoming a little
• 1:17:35
  bit better than we were yesterday and professionally as
• 1:17:37
  well, right? And the two really have a lot
• 1:17:40
  of, there's a lot of synergy between growing professionally
• 1:17:44
  and personally. I don't think you can be good in
• 1:17:46
  business if you're not a happy person, right and.
• 1:17:49
  This point of being good in business if you're not a happy
• 1:17:51
  nothing. Who, who?
• 1:17:53
  Who? Cares.
• 1:17:53
  Would you rather be unhappy and rich or or poor and happy?
• 1:17:57
  Well, that's a not a fair question, obviously, because if
• 1:18:00
  you're happy, by definition things are working.
• 1:18:02
  So it doesn't matter if you're poor, it doesn't matter if
• 1:18:04
  you're, you know, happy is the key.
• 1:18:06
  Happy is wealth. Happy is wealth, right In.
• 1:18:09
  In a way, it's almost. Lending money has nothing to do
• 1:18:10
  with anything. Form of how you can reach
• 1:18:13
  happiness. I disagree.
• 1:18:14
  One variable 1. Variable, it's easier, but I
• 1:18:17
  think happy people that are rich are happy.
• 1:18:19
  The problem also is a lot of people are rich, don't think
• 1:18:22
  they're rich. Like they're not rich enough.
• 1:18:24
  That's. More, which is the craziest
• 1:18:26
  thing, which is absurd. Like why do people need to go
• 1:18:29
  make more and more and more? Now listen, maybe you have a
• 1:18:31
  fear that you're going to lose it or whatever it is.
• 1:18:33
  But you know, there are stories out there of people who die and
• 1:18:36
  they have millions of dollars and their kids don't even know
• 1:18:39
  they had any money. Like they lived like a pauper.
• 1:18:42
  True. No, it's a good point that
• 1:18:43
  listen, at the end of the day, I think that we should just make
• 1:18:46
  somewhat of an effort, you know, to make a little bit more
• 1:18:49
  outreach. That's the bottom line.
• 1:18:50
  When was the last time you spoke to Someone Like You had no idea
• 1:18:53
  who they were and like you learned about their life?
• 1:18:55
  By me approaching them. No, or just in general.
• 1:18:57
  When was the last time I made a new friend?
• 1:18:59
  The new person you met, you learned.
• 1:19:01
  Like this guy that you just talked about, you said there's a
• 1:19:04
  guy in our community. You thought he was like one of
• 1:19:06
  them I. Didn't say pillars, I say.
• 1:19:07
  You thought I don't know who it is, right?
• 1:19:09
  And you thought he was a big piece of the community, a lot of
• 1:19:11
  friends. And you were surprised to find
• 1:19:12
  out he felt like he's an outsider.
• 1:19:15
  Was that shocking? Yeah.
• 1:19:17
  No. He told you this in confidence,
• 1:19:18
  no? How did that come about?
• 1:19:20
  Threw a conversation like on the side, like it wasn't the reason
• 1:19:23
  why we spoke. We were talking and then kind of
• 1:19:25
  threw it in there and then point.
• 1:19:26
  Is. I'm not going to say who like as
• 1:19:28
  a specific name, but who in the community.
• 1:19:31
  What type of person is the center of the spider web that
• 1:19:35
  branches out and touches everybody?
• 1:19:39
  100% I think we're very fortunate.
• 1:19:41
  So we have a rabbi like this, but you don't got you guys don't
• 1:19:43
  even know. And none of us know the extent.
• 1:19:46
  I mean, some know more than others about a few more stories
• 1:19:48
  here and there. But what he does, the amount of
• 1:19:50
  good that he does all over the place, it's unbelievable.
• 1:19:53
  But guys, we really are running out of time.
• 1:19:55
  We can't we can't go on forever. I just want to be back.
• 1:19:57
  Michael, this is this is a shout out to Michael.
• 1:19:59
  This is awesome. Michael brings out the best in
• 1:20:02
  me also the worst in me sometimes.
• 1:20:04
  We do with. Michael, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:20:05
  So I feel like we really missed a big chunk of the I'm realizing
• 1:20:10
  now that I'm not doing it without him.
• 1:20:11
  Like I said, sometimes you don't see what's in front of you until
• 1:20:14
  you don't have it. You don't realize how badly you
• 1:20:16
  actually, Michael really is a major asset.
• 1:20:18
  Like, you know, he has a way of keeping the conversation going
• 1:20:21
  in a in a very fun way. And I'm a big fan of Michael's.
• 1:20:24
  He does a lot of things very, very well.
• 1:20:25
  It's one of the things he does well.
• 1:20:26
  He's been sorely missed on this episode.
• 1:20:28
  But. What doesn't he do well?
• 1:20:30
  What doesn't he do? Well, I'm going to tell He
• 1:20:32
  knows. He knows.
• 1:20:32
  He knows we. By the way, Michael brought up
• 1:20:35
  this idea a long time ago, I think.
• 1:20:37
  Partners should be scoring each other and should be doing
• 1:20:41
  reviews with each other every so often about what do you feel
• 1:20:45
  that they're doing well? What are they not doing well?
• 1:20:47
  OK. But this last story and then we
• 1:20:48
  got to wrap up. Well, she's such a let.
• 1:20:50
  Me wrap it and then let's continue.
• 1:20:52
  Then we're off the podcast. Yeah, off the podcast.
• 1:20:53
  Yeah, we'll, we'll just by the way, he's hooked up.
• 1:20:56
  He he needs somebody confronted him.
• 1:20:58
  There's gonna. Be tomorrow morning we're we're
• 1:20:59
  gonna be doing a podcast from the golf course.
• 1:21:01
  Tomorrow we're recording a podcast like Mayor.
• 1:21:04
  We're back at the golf course after your hiatus of one week.
• 1:21:07
  And tell us about that. Your muscles have atrophied, you
• 1:21:10
  have completely shriveled. Can you even hold the club?
• 1:21:14
  Atrophied you? Know what that means?
• 1:21:16
  No, that's what a great word. Atrophied.
• 1:21:18
  Atrophied. Yeah, it's OK.
• 1:21:19
  That's too much. OK.
• 1:21:21
  IED What does atrophied mean? It basically means to like,
• 1:21:24
  shrivel up and like. Have you ever used that word
• 1:21:28
  before? Yeah.
• 1:21:29
  Or did it just like come to your head right now?
• 1:21:30
  Have I ever used it? No, but of course it's in my.
• 1:21:32
  Wow, what a word. What a great word.
• 1:21:34
  Atrophy. I just like the way it sounds
• 1:21:35
  like. You use for the title or your
• 1:21:36
  I'm. Gonna figure how to incorporate
• 1:21:37
  that now into certain sentences that I use a lot.
• 1:21:39
  I have to figure it out, but great word.
• 1:21:41
  So listen guys, this has been amazing.
• 1:21:43
  You guys have been excellent guests.
• 1:21:44
  Before we finish, we like to do something which is we ask our
• 1:21:48
  guests to recommend somebody else to be on the podcast.
• 1:21:53
  Somebody you think might be a good candidate, somebody that's
• 1:21:56
  interesting, somebody that has what to offer that could
• 1:21:58
  contribute towards our growth. Who would you recommend?
• 1:22:02
  I would like for you to make that call now on air, make that
• 1:22:05
  call and ask the person if they would be interested in joining
• 1:22:08
  our podcast. Anybody that comes to mind,
• 1:22:10
  anybody you can think of who's coming to mind, Al?
• 1:22:15
  We should both write a. We should both write a name
• 1:22:17
  down, and we should see if the name's it's gonna.
• 1:22:19
  End up being the same name, it's gonna.
• 1:22:20
  End up being the same name. I can already tell you both know
• 1:22:22
  who. Hold on, he knows who I will
• 1:22:24
  pick and I. Hold on, hold on.
• 1:22:25
  But if you do, this person, we have to be here.
• 1:22:28
  Yeah, I want to be part of it. We, it'll be great.
• 1:22:31
  Can we I. Believe.
• 1:22:33
  I think we should close. I think it'll be great.
• 1:22:35
  This person is fantastic. Be unbelievable.
• 1:22:37
  Who is this person? And they are are.
• 1:22:41
  They local. They live within 20 minutes.
• 1:22:43
  He's around here. He's within 10 minutes of here
• 1:22:45
  many times a day, many times a week.
• 1:22:47
  No, no, no, no, no. And he's a business.
• 1:22:49
  I mean like in terms of. He will be the guest of your
• 1:22:54
  time. What's he doing tomorrow?
• 1:22:55
  What are you? Talking Russell, you want to do
• 1:22:56
  with Michael? Well, who are you?
• 1:22:58
  Talking. About You Say it and I'll tell
• 1:23:00
  you if he's the right guy. Yeah.
• 1:23:03
  Well, no, I mean. Is this guy?
• 1:23:06
  Oh, I was talking with somebody else.
• 1:23:07
  We have two guys who have two potentials now, I thought.
• 1:23:09
  He would be spectacular. Yeah, he'll be great.
• 1:23:11
  Yeah. Who were you thinking about?
• 1:23:13
  I'm thinking about Leonard Schleifer.
• 1:23:15
  He's started his own business. It's a publicly traded company.
• 1:23:19
  It's healthcare really Regeneron.
• 1:23:21
  And he's a he's a spectacular guy.
• 1:23:24
  He's he, we play golf with him and he's I think we do it.
• 1:23:28
  I absolutely think we do it. I'll ask go, how's this your
• 1:23:30
  guy? And the problem is now that I
• 1:23:33
  didn't say AL's guy, when AL's guy sees his podcast, I'm going
• 1:23:36
  to be in the dog. Well.
• 1:23:38
  No, listen, you went billionaire, so that's fine.
• 1:23:41
  It's not about money. He's Uber successful, but he
• 1:23:43
  created many. Neurologists.
• 1:23:45
  He's a neurologist. He invented monoclonal Yeah,
• 1:23:47
  saying you remember when COVID happened?
• 1:23:49
  He invented I'm I'm saying he's. What was shown his podcast, I
• 1:23:53
  think he would do it. You think so?
• 1:23:55
  Let. Me ask you guys, it is very well
• 1:23:58
  documented and very well known that golf, it's very expensive,
• 1:24:03
  not a cheap sport. Not everybody can afford to have
• 1:24:07
  a life that revolves around golf.
• 1:24:09
  So I know that it costs a lot of money to be a part of clubs and
• 1:24:13
  pay memberships. What would you say is the most
• 1:24:17
  money you spent in any particular year?
• 1:24:20
  I've always, I, I, I was lucky enough to be part of a club very
• 1:24:25
  early in my life because I managed to make some connections
• 1:24:29
  and find a place. When you're young, they let you
• 1:24:32
  join for a very, very reasonable rate because they want young
• 1:24:35
  members in hopes that they'll continue, you know, to, you
• 1:24:39
  know, patronize the club and be there.
• 1:24:41
  The course of your career or your life, How much do you think
• 1:24:45
  you spent over everything? Don't break it down by year.
• 1:24:47
  Just like to this point. How?
• 1:24:50
  So like I spent I have not been a member for that long, right?
• 1:24:53
  Even been a. Half $1,000,000 you spent.
• 1:24:55
  No. Over the lifetime of your
• 1:24:58
  playing career. That's crazy fat.
• 1:25:00
  Oh my goodness. Wow.
• 1:25:01
  For the first ten years of my life, it was $2000 a year, $3000
• 1:25:05
  a year. OK, I'm going to move on from
• 1:25:07
  this topic because I can tell you're uncomfortable with it
• 1:25:09
  and. That's fine, rightfully so, by
• 1:25:11
  the way. I don't know.
• 1:25:11
  It is a little bit no to spend this kind of money.
• 1:25:14
  It is anything on anything, not just golf on anything that's a
• 1:25:16
  little bit excessive. But let me ask.
• 1:25:18
  I think people spend a lot of money on food or whatever and I
• 1:25:20
  think that's absurd. Like why would you go out to eat
• 1:25:22
  and spend $1000 at a nice restaurant 2 * a week?
• 1:25:25
  I just don't understand it. Don't go twice a week to a fancy
• 1:25:28
  restaurant. They they, they like play.
• 1:25:29
  It's a different day. You have a meeting business
• 1:25:31
  expenses covering. Everything on the menu that's.
• 1:25:33
  Not the same. You guys are clearly addicted to
• 1:25:36
  golf. You have an addiction.
• 1:25:37
  Let me ask you. What is an addiction?
• 1:25:39
  That you like doing it excessively and you have
• 1:25:41
  withdrawals when you don't do it.
• 1:25:42
  Like if you're not playing golf, you're in a bad place.
• 1:25:45
  You get like somber and you you have, well, he's going to get
• 1:25:49
  back into it and. Maybe yes, maybe no.
• 1:25:50
  What do you mean? I told the club that he quit,
• 1:25:53
  you know, that they put his membership on I'll.
• 1:25:55
  Bet with you. Membership on hold.
• 1:25:57
  Let's do over under. How long he gets back into it
• 1:25:59
  non grata. Let's do over under.
• 1:26:01
  His face is actually when you walk in, there's like a guard
• 1:26:03
  booth that's unattended and there's a picture.
• 1:26:05
  Of it, the truth is I'm going to circle.
• 1:26:07
  I do have to come back to the club because I don't know if you
• 1:26:09
  heard, but I had a hole in one this year.
• 1:26:11
  On Hawk, I don't know if you heard but I had a hole in one
• 1:26:14
  this year. Is that like something?
• 1:26:17
  Tremendously luck and Al is a much better player than I am and
• 1:26:21
  he has not had one in what, 14 years?
• 1:26:23
  12 years. In 12 years, you never had one
• 1:26:25
  hole in one. It's.
• 1:26:26
  Been 12 years. Tell you, let me just tell you
• 1:26:27
  about my hole in one, though. I was with Al and we had a
• 1:26:30
  caddy. The caddy's the guy who carries
• 1:26:31
  our bags. He's a good friend of ours.
• 1:26:32
  Now we get up to the hole, the T.
• 1:26:35
  Tommy Fitzmiris. And there are pretty much 4
• 1:26:37
  opportunities around that. You can have a hole in one.
• 1:26:40
  It's called a par 3. It's a shot that's a one shot
• 1:26:42
  into the green and before I hit the ball.
• 1:26:45
  I don't know why, I don't think I've ever done this before, but
• 1:26:48
  I made a declaration and announcement and I said, you
• 1:26:51
  know, it's been 9 years I've been playing golf.
• 1:26:53
  I've never had a hole in one. I've never seen a hole in one.
• 1:26:56
  I've never been in a group with one.
• 1:26:57
  And he said, here it is. It's happening now.
• 1:26:58
  You're like Babe Ruth. You you called it out, I mean.
• 1:27:01
  You know, everyone says that was a joke, it was a scam.
• 1:27:03
  He didn't really do that. He's pointing.
• 1:27:05
  No one really knows. I made a whole speech.
• 1:27:07
  It was a little rainy, a little wet.
• 1:27:09
  I actually asked the caddy for a towel to drive my right hand.
• 1:27:13
  For whatever reason, I stood over the ball 185 yards, is 545
• 1:27:16
  feet away from the pin and I felt like it was going and I hit
• 1:27:20
  it and I went in. The happiest day of your life.
• 1:27:22
  No, it wasn't the happiest. Come on, it was.
• 1:27:24
  It's a weird feeling because. I but it's not old luck, had
• 1:27:26
  some skill involved that you were able to hit around the
• 1:27:29
  hole. I think what you tapped into
• 1:27:31
  this the happiest day of your life.
• 1:27:33
  I think the happiest day of your life is not like the day you
• 1:27:36
  accomplish something. When you look back on the
• 1:27:38
  happiest day of your life are the days you put in the effort
• 1:27:40
  to get to that point. Well, the happiest moment, Well,
• 1:27:43
  I would, I don't disagree with that, but I think the happiest
• 1:27:45
  moments of your life are something sudden and unexpected.
• 1:27:49
  You think so? Yeah.
• 1:27:50
  I don't feel like when people, when people say the happiest day
• 1:27:54
  of my life was when I had a kid and I have 4 beautiful kids.
• 1:27:56
  I love my kids, love them. But the day they were born, I
• 1:28:00
  knew for many months we were having a kid.
• 1:28:01
  It wasn't unexpected. It wasn't like something Now
• 1:28:05
  somebody who maybe had trouble having kids for many years and
• 1:28:08
  finally has a kid, I could totally understand why it's
• 1:28:12
  something really special. But if you have a kid at a young
• 1:28:14
  age and then you have other kids that follow, I don't think that
• 1:28:17
  the day they were born is something so special.
• 1:28:20
  It's moments in their life that are more special.
• 1:28:22
  Their first time they take a step or they say daddy or
• 1:28:25
  something is way more special. It comes out of nowhere, right?
• 1:28:28
  It just happens. So a hole in one, it just
• 1:28:31
  happened like, and not only that, but you and for whatever
• 1:28:33
  reason, you have a conversation throughout time and people like
• 1:28:35
  how many hole ones you have and like 0, how many hole ones you
• 1:28:38
  have, zero. You know it happens.
• 1:28:40
  I've never seen one. I've never had one.
• 1:28:42
  I'll never have one. I'll never see one.
• 1:28:44
  Averages about four hole in ones a year right now and and there
• 1:28:49
  are different sets of TS. How far away you are?
• 1:28:51
  How many of those do you think did someone actually say in
• 1:28:53
  advance and make an announcement?
• 1:28:55
  I think I'm going to have a hole in one here.
• 1:28:56
  It was a special moment. I do it every time.
• 1:28:59
  Now it. Was a cool moment.
• 1:29:00
  It was with Al. A little bit mean and I
• 1:29:02
  apologize in advance to both of you, but I'm actually a little
• 1:29:05
  bit mortified right now. And I'll tell you why.
• 1:29:07
  You ever heard someone say like they put like a lot of salt on
• 1:29:10
  their on their food and you ask them like, are you having some
• 1:29:13
  lasagna with your salt? You know, like, yeah, we heard.
• 1:29:16
  People talk to me. I feel like you guys have a lot
• 1:29:19
  of golf with your life. I feel like, almost like I, I
• 1:29:23
  every time you guys make a metaphor or you make a certain
• 1:29:26
  comparison, you revert back to something in golf and you make
• 1:29:30
  that connection, not. Golfers don't get it.
• 1:29:33
  And and and by the way, I'm like a little turned off because like
• 1:29:36
  I could appreciate. Someone.
• 1:29:38
  Who loves something and is very passionate about it.
• 1:29:41
  But it gets to a certain point, the.
• 1:29:43
  Problem. This is already too much.
• 1:29:46
  It's getting into unhealthy space.
• 1:29:48
  And let's not kid ourselves, I guarantee that there's a little
• 1:29:52
  bit of neglect going on somewhere in your life, people
• 1:29:56
  in your life because of your golf habit.
• 1:29:58
  And everybody appreciates somebody that cares about
• 1:30:00
  something. That's fine, but not too much.
• 1:30:02
  They always say too much of a good thing is not a good right.
• 1:30:06
  Gotta have that bounce a fine line.
• 1:30:09
  Do you not agree? I do have the winter.
• 1:30:11
  A disease maybe I could almost go as far as to say, and maybe
• 1:30:14
  we, we, we need to have you guys sit in therapy to figure out
• 1:30:18
  what is this drive that you have to just obsessively be focused
• 1:30:23
  on golf. You know, I think golf is unique
• 1:30:26
  in that it's the ability to basically live a life in four
• 1:30:31
  hours and have it have a beginning and an end.
• 1:30:36
  And that's why it's so addictive.
• 1:30:38
  You're literally born on the first tee and you die on the
• 1:30:42
  last screen, and you have the opportunity to literally be born
• 1:30:46
  and die in four hours. And that's why I think people
• 1:30:50
  love it. It gives you the opportunity to
• 1:30:51
  really live a complete life in four hours and see what happens.
• 1:30:56
  You're literally proving my point, Al no.
• 1:30:58
  Oh, you're proving my point right now.
• 1:30:59
  Again. You're comparing only golfing
• 1:31:02
  some living life to a golf game. It's a.
• 1:31:04
  In four hours where you're born and then you it's.
• 1:31:07
  Crazy because there's, you know, what in life is their finality.
• 1:31:11
  What do you do where you are judged from a beginning and an
• 1:31:15
  end? What have you done lately that
• 1:31:17
  there is an end, a conclusive end to what you have done?
• 1:31:21
  What? What was the last time you did
• 1:31:22
  something that started and ended?
• 1:31:23
  My work day starts every day and finishes.
• 1:31:25
  You made a mistake in work, you fix it the next day.
• 1:31:27
  No, You. You.
• 1:31:29
  No. What do you?
• 1:31:29
  Mean any sport you have that opportunity to perform and if
• 1:31:32
  you don't, you. There's other people involved in
• 1:31:35
  everything. You're better around tomorrow.
• 1:31:36
  Tomorrow's a new day different that's you have a better with.
• 1:31:39
  A new life. It's a new life.
• 1:31:40
  I need to do an intervention with you guys.
• 1:31:42
  Wait, hold on. Enough is enough.
• 1:31:43
  I have to be the one to say. Guys, at a certain point, you
• 1:31:47
  really have to have a hard reflection over here and ask
• 1:31:49
  yourself that is this maybe a little bit too much?
• 1:31:53
  Have I gotten carried away? Have I taken this a little bit
• 1:31:56
  too far? Wait, is this hold on is?
• 1:31:59
  This quantity based or is this or is this just total we're just
• 1:32:03
  totally consumed by? Both.
• 1:32:05
  What if there's a client? And all the time.
• 1:32:07
  If there's a guy who plays once a month, but all he thinks
• 1:32:10
  about, he daydreams all day long about golf, he just doesn't have
• 1:32:13
  the money to play, can't get out, I don't know whatever it
• 1:32:15
  is. Yeah, in the middle of winter.
• 1:32:16
  Dreams about There are many people who Daydream about a lot
• 1:32:19
  of different things and and think about it all the time.
• 1:32:21
  What if it doesn't consume my thoughts other than when I play,
• 1:32:24
  right and I play, but some people think about things all
• 1:32:28
  the time. That's all they think about.
• 1:32:30
  Maybe it's money, right? Maybe it's losing weight.
• 1:32:34
  Whatever it is, it consumes them.
• 1:32:35
  It consumes them. And that's also bad.
• 1:32:37
  I don't think that's bad. I no longer think about golf
• 1:32:39
  when I'm not playing like. I'd like to call you out on
• 1:32:42
  that, OK, because I hang out with you good amount.
• 1:32:45
  Whenever we hang out, the conversation steers to the
• 1:32:48
  direction. Other people steer it of golf,
• 1:32:50
  other people all the time. I assume that's what we want to
• 1:32:52
  talk. About I wasn't sure actually if
• 1:32:54
  we would actually talk about golf today.
• 1:32:56
  We didn't see the questions and I was fascinated because we sit
• 1:32:59
  and talk at kiddish and you have this rule no golf talk.
• 1:33:02
  I was. I was.
• 1:33:02
  Which we only stick to for about 5 minutes.
• 1:33:04
  I was. Intrigued like Ushi is going to
• 1:33:06
  run this conversation. He's the ball.
• 1:33:08
  He's never hosting. So let me play ball for a
• 1:33:10
  second. Let.
• 1:33:11
  Me play boss first. And I would have bet that we
• 1:33:13
  were not going to talk about golf.
• 1:33:14
  That's wrong. You never lose a bet, but.
• 1:33:16
  I do. I do want to focus a little bit
• 1:33:18
  on something that is actually pretty spectacular because you
• 1:33:21
  know, both of you, without you mostly, I mean, you are a
• 1:33:24
  one-of-a-kind talent. You're probably the best Jewish
• 1:33:27
  golfer that's alive, and that's a big deal.
• 1:33:29
  That's from. Sure.
• 1:33:30
  That's what I meant. That's orthodox golfer that's
• 1:33:32
  alive and I'd be remiss if I didn't talk about that and bring
• 1:33:35
  it up and ensure that experience with with the listeners.
• 1:33:38
  Of course I would talk about it. But you're right, you're right.
• 1:33:40
  I myself now getting sucked into your world of just talking about
• 1:33:43
  golf, and I'd like to deviate from that a little bit.
• 1:33:46
  And I want to ask you. So aside from golf, I want to
• 1:33:49
  hear, you know, think about it first.
• 1:33:51
  You don't have to answer me right away because a little bit
• 1:33:53
  of a personal question, what else are you addicted to?
• 1:33:56
  Addicted. Yeah, what else do you feel like
• 1:33:57
  you have an addiction to? You know, I think the sign of
• 1:34:00
  really a good podcast is the listener having the debate
• 1:34:06
  themselves with what you're talking about.
• 1:34:07
  Exactly. I, you know, what they show is
• 1:34:09
  the ball or you know what they I disagree with this or disagree
• 1:34:12
  with that. That's engagement bushy.
• 1:34:13
  He's an idiot 'cause he didn't understand, like, but he doesn't
• 1:34:15
  hold his wife's hand. Like what?
• 1:34:17
  He doesn't understand that it's circumstantial and that like of
• 1:34:20
  Corey. What an idiot.
• 1:34:21
  Yeah. And you're sitting there
• 1:34:22
  screaming at them like, hey, they did a good job.
• 1:34:24
  Yeah, it did a good job. That's the purpose of it, to get
• 1:34:26
  people's minds. I don't really say that they
• 1:34:27
  don't even know. What we're talking about.
• 1:34:29
  Yeah, let's try to go like 5 minutes without the.
• 1:34:31
  What am I addicted to? Without the word golf, I what
• 1:34:34
  are you addicted to? I don't know.
• 1:34:36
  I I eat too much? I don't want to necessarily say
• 1:34:38
  it addicted, but I'm addicted to my phone and I hate it.
• 1:34:42
  I hate that I'm addicted to my phone in the sense that like I'm
• 1:34:45
  checking emails, checking texts, checking WhatsApp, checking
• 1:34:48
  YouTube, Instagram, whatever it is.
• 1:34:49
  I definitely feel that there's a dopamine, a dopamine related
• 1:34:54
  release when I'm looking and checking.
• 1:34:56
  I don't have it like Shabbos or Yumpta for three days.
• 1:34:58
  It's off. I don't miss it.
• 1:35:00
  But then when it's available, and I think that's what the
• 1:35:03
  studies have shown that like when the phone, you know,
• 1:35:05
  phantom buzz in your pocket. I'm definitely addicted to to my
• 1:35:09
  phone and I hate it. And I hope there's a day where I
• 1:35:12
  don't have to deal with my. Are you doing anything about it?
• 1:35:16
  I'm thinking about doing something about it.
• 1:35:18
  I'm not doing anything about it because it's so difficult.
• 1:35:21
  It has the power of heroin and the same time I we all need it
• 1:35:26
  because we have to read our emails.
• 1:35:27
  Let's be realistic, we're all addicted to our phones.
• 1:35:29
  You're not a loner. I.
• 1:35:30
  Don't think I am. No.
• 1:35:32
  So the only social media that I use is Twitter and I do it for
• 1:35:35
  like sports and news and for a month I decided I just deleted
• 1:35:39
  the app off my phone. I don't post or anything like
• 1:35:41
  that. Well on WhatsApp I will post
• 1:35:43
  some golf related content I've been told.
• 1:35:46
  Does your wife or your kids make you crazy that you're on your
• 1:35:50
  phone all the time and it's too much today?
• 1:35:52
  My kids, yeah, my kids will say, Dad, you're always working.
• 1:35:55
  You're always answering emails. We actually have a chat with
• 1:35:57
  this guy who Al thinks should be on your podcast, the three of
• 1:36:01
  us, and it's very busy. When Mayor quit golf I actually
• 1:36:05
  muted the chat for 8 hours because it started going in
• 1:36:08
  directions. I'm out.
• 1:36:10
  I'm out, I need a break. He knows I never quit.
• 1:36:12
  I always threatened to quit. It doesn't really make it.
• 1:36:13
  I think he's more concerned about it this time.
• 1:36:15
  Honestly, this last time Mayor quit to the point where I
• 1:36:19
  actually believed he she's. Going to go 5 minutes.
• 1:36:20
  He literally shanked. 5 minutes, he's amazing.
• 1:36:23
  I think he should you. Know you guys have a problem, He
• 1:36:25
  should we. We really need an intervention
• 1:36:27
  over here. I feel like there's something
• 1:36:29
  maybe in your lives that you're running away from.
• 1:36:32
  No, absolutely. There, there.
• 1:36:33
  I mean, it's the only explanation, No.
• 1:36:35
  Is there a logical explanation is that you're filling a certain
• 1:36:37
  void and this gives you your fix.
• 1:36:40
  I feel like you need this golf. You need it in your life.
• 1:36:43
  Without it, you're lost. You're alone, you're abandoned.
• 1:36:46
  Like what? I don't know many people that
• 1:36:49
  are attached to something to this extent, to this level.
• 1:36:52
  I'm like blown away by how committed and devoted you are to
• 1:36:56
  this that I don't think you realize how far it goes.
• 1:36:59
  That's why I think Mayor should quit.
• 1:37:01
  That's why I think you should quit.
• 1:37:02
  I think that perhaps you should try to stay a little bit longer,
• 1:37:06
  maybe maybe because you're going to end up like Al one day.
• 1:37:09
  I'll became like this golf goblin.
• 1:37:11
  He's like more golf. Give me more golf.
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  Not at all. It's it's a tense.
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  Well, here's the thing. The.
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  Golfer. Al is spectacular.
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  Yes, that's what we. No, but obviously they're no
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  better than him. But.
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  I'm a very, I don't take it serious.
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  Not that I take it seriously, but I I'm not an angry golfer
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  all. Right.
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  So let me let me pose it to you this way I don't get frustrated.
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  So you can see it now, another bird's eye view here.
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  If I were to tell you that in about 3 years, your son is going
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  to go down the same path that you went down, he might actually
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  discover this a little earlier than you did.
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  And he's going to become exactly like you.
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  Play as much as you do, Talk about it as much as you do.
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  Build around his life around golf.
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  Build indications around golf. Your son is going to do the
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  same. Exactly.
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  I'd be very, I'd be very happy. You be happy, Yeah, You'd be
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  happy for your son. The way I'm doing.
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  It exactly the way you're doing it.
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  Very happy. Play as much as you're playing,
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  often as you are. If you could do it well, I'd be
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  very happy. You know his wife is anti golf.
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  That's that's the dynamic that you can't answer.
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  I mean, is the wife? If he's a golfer before he gets
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  married. That's why my wife was into me,
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  because what would happen was she would text me and I'd put my
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  phone in my golf bag. I wouldn't see it for four
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  hours. Like who is this guy?
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  He doesn't answer me for four. Hours.
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  So it served you? Oh, it was great.
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  It served you. It was.
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  Great. And I was like, oh, sorry.
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  Little did she know. Little did she.
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  Yeah. Exactly.
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  And with my wife, I didn't start playing till after I was
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  married. One day she starts seeing boxes
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  of these weird sized boxes, long and narrow and it's clubs and
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  like you're getting another like, you know, there's 14 clubs
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  that we play with and she's like 14 clubs.
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  Like, you know, most people think, what do you need more
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  than like? Two or three one racket 1
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  pickleball racket. Usually use one, but there's
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  ingalvia 14 clubs in your bag and they're different sizes and
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  stuff. Al, do you think your wife would
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  prefer secretly that you weren't this integral?
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  No, no, no, Don't do that. Don't put, don't put us.
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  But we know the answer. Would you be happy?
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  Oh, guilt. He has zero guilt.
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  This guy, hold on you. Literally.
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  You're doing your wife a favor. Just think my, I actually know
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  my I actually don't think my kid should go and my wife's actually
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  tried to get me to get my kids lessons and I don't think it's
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  that healthy. And I think that the big dynamic
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  is the. Wife.
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  Wow. If she says yes, this could be.
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  And my wife. My wife thinks I should.
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  I said, would you be happy if I quit golf?
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  Her life. Tell me that you never asked her
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  that question before she'd. Be happy and of course not.
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  She knows. She knows he'd be She's.
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  Asked me if if I love her more than golf.
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  She's asked her that question. Yeah.
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  What's your answer? Situation it.
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  Depends on the day. It depends on how things.
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  You know what right now, Right now it's golf.
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  Oh my goodness, she's by the way.
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  It's a real contention. No, what do you mean?
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  It's a good she feels when I say it's her over golf.
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  Because she knows how she goes. You probably played bad, didn't
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  you? Yes, I did.
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  Oh my goodness out. By the way, this is phenomenal
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  and and a part of me envies you that you have something so near
• 1:40:10
  and dear to your heart that you can pursue and that you can do.
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  Part of me envies you, but can I tell you a part about be honest
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  feels bad for you. A part of me does, but I feel
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  like you're missing out and a lot of other things in life, you
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  miss what? Tell me what I'm missing on.
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  Tell me what I'm missing. What are you missing?
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  I don't think he's missing any actually, let me just say
• 1:40:27
  vacations or whatever. Like there was a a couple guys
• 1:40:29
  talking about on vacation. Like I message out even while
• 1:40:32
  I'm retired this week. Like I'm not going on a vacation
• 1:40:34
  that's not centered around golf. A golf vacation is the purest
• 1:40:38
  vacation of all. Like there's the biggest reason
• 1:40:40
  I would never retire from golf is because I can't miss those
• 1:40:44
  vacations. That is just like this.
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  It's special, the lead up to it like.
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  You come along, you make sandwiches.
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  We joke around like we want to make sure that we have another
• 1:40:53
  trip booked when we take our trip and obviously mostly in the
• 1:40:56
  winter. Have you ever how many times do
• 1:40:58
  you lie to your wife or to never to your to your workmates or
• 1:41:03
  people that you have to my wife? How often do you lie so you can
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  continue to play? My wife can.
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  You don't lie. I want.
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  Oh, that's the line you don't cross.
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  What do you mean? What line do I cross?
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  Let's say your wife says, Al, I really need you today, you know,
• 1:41:15
  and I won't go. And you said, but you really
• 1:41:17
  want to golf that day. No, no.
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  And then you say no, I have a work function that I have to be
• 1:41:20
  at work. I can't.
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  I'm sorry. No, you don't do that.
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  So don't lie. Ever.
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  Not only that, but. I'll say I'm golfing.
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  It hasn't happened for probably eight years years ago before.
• 1:41:31
  Ten years, my business, my wife would call me like, hey, did you
• 1:41:34
  leave the office yet? I'm like, you know, why don't
• 1:41:36
  you just track me and Find My iPhone so far over the last?
• 1:41:39
  This is weird. She sees where I'm at and she
• 1:41:41
  knows if I left she actually will wait now to call me about
• 1:41:45
  work issues till after I leave and once she sees I've left
• 1:41:47
  she'll call and tell me what things have occurred throughout
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  the day. I didn't hear anything anymore
• 1:41:52
  after I heard you just say we work together, me and my wife,
• 1:41:56
  we work together. Like that struck me.
• 1:41:59
  I literally did not hear anything.
• 1:42:01
  And my wife. I asked my wife, would you be
• 1:42:03
  happy if I could golf for life? She goes.
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  No, of course not. You'd be miserable.
• 1:42:06
  No, I just said, but see, that's what she cares about you.
• 1:42:09
  She would be happier for it, but she wouldn't.
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  Say if I could be happy. Yeah, obviously she would want
• 1:42:15
  you to quit. She would want you to quit.
• 1:42:16
  But that's a very Good Wife you have hold.
• 1:42:18
  On what? But you know what?
• 1:42:20
  I got to say that. She has other hobbies too I.
• 1:42:22
  Don't know. No, but she's evolved.
• 1:42:24
  We're like before, like when we were first married and she
• 1:42:28
  didn't fully get the golf thing and she was pregnant and she had
• 1:42:32
  to be out like with our first kid.
• 1:42:33
  We're very young. I was 21, she was 19 or 20,
• 1:42:36
  whatever it was. She was on bed rest when she was
• 1:42:40
  pregnant and I was like, I didn't, I wasn't really working.
• 1:42:45
  I was in school. I was in between.
• 1:42:47
  I'd be like, all right, I've finished the classes.
• 1:42:48
  I'm going to go play golf. She was like, wait a second, I'm
• 1:42:51
  just sitting here on bed rest hanging out.
• 1:42:53
  This is I'm like, well, I don't want to sit inside.
• 1:42:57
  And so she wasn't so thrilled with it.
• 1:43:00
  But as we matured, we worked on our relationship and we worked
• 1:43:04
  on our desire for each of us to be happy with the other person
• 1:43:09
  doing what they want to do in their hobbies and whatever it
• 1:43:11
  was. Now she's thrilled for me to
• 1:43:13
  play. Good for you.
• 1:43:14
  Yeah, you're very lucky. This has been amazing.
• 1:43:16
  This has been great. Thanks for thanks for doing
• 1:43:18
  this. I'm glad.
• 1:43:18
  I appreciate it. It's going to get.
• 1:43:19
  Condensed into an hour and 5 we're.
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  Going to try our best, try our best.
• 1:43:22
  All right, guys, that's a wrap.