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057: Who Are You When You Don't Have to Perform? · Career Identity + Growth Conversations for Professional Women: Exposing the Hidden Reality

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  Speaker 1: Every week you hear us talk about careers, leadership, and growth,
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  Speaker 1: but somewhere behind the conversations are two actual human beings
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  Speaker 1: with habits, opinions, quirks, so many quirks, and probably a
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  Speaker 1: few things we disagree about. Oh, Sandra, you think we'll
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  Speaker 1: uncover those this week or no? I hope so. So
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  Speaker 1: today we're changing things up, and this episode was inspired
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  Speaker 1: by our new heroes, Henry and Jack. We saw them
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  Speaker 1: on the Today Show. And their actual podcast is called
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  Speaker 1: Hen Dog and Jimmy V. They are 10-year-old gamers kids.
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  Speaker 1: And we wanted to get in the spirit of our
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  Speaker 1: 10-year-old selves and be a little whimsical.
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  Speaker 2: We're taking turns asking each other questions so that you
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  Speaker 2: can get to know the two people behind the microphone.
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  Speaker 2: So what's that? First instinct wins. We're only allowing one
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  Speaker 2: follow-up when an answer opens up a story.
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  Speaker 1: And I like how you said first instinct wins. Like
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  Speaker 1: you get anything other than that out of me ever.
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  Speaker 1: And as you listen, I encourage you to pick one
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  Speaker 1: question and answer it for yourself. We'd love to hear
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  Speaker 1: your answer too. So be sure to put it in
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  Speaker 1: the comments. All right. So let's start easy, Sandra. No
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  Speaker 1: deep reflection required. Just the things you learn about someone.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking to the wrong person. Are you kidding? Nothing
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  Speaker 2: deep required? That's like a struggle for me.
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  Speaker 1: All right. I know. This is going to be what
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  Speaker 1: it is. So we're figuring this out as we go along.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: This is a super good question. What food will you
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  Speaker 1: never get tired food. Just food? Just like every possible food?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I thought pizza. Yeah, that's true. Pizza. I
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  Speaker 2: thought ice cream. Oh my God. Never get tired of
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  Speaker 2: ice cream. I thought creme brulee.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, like I have so many favorite foods,
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  Speaker 2: so I think I have to just say food.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go a little deeper. Savory or sweet?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. All right. Perfect.
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  Speaker 1: I had a tough time preparing for this question because
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  Speaker 1: But I think I'm going to just tell you most honestly,
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  Speaker 1: my true self would never tire of pasta, any kind
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  Speaker 1: of pasta. There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that, I mean, honestly, if you could feed me
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  Speaker 1: pasta for the rest of my life, I'd be happy.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's that Italian in us. What's your go-to
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  Speaker 2: comfort routine?
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  Speaker 1: I think when I really need deep comfort, I will
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  Speaker 1: hop in the shower.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because it just gives me the time to relax. And
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  Speaker 1: my brain really is very free.
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  Speaker 2: That feels so good.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Just thinking about it feels better, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it does.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. How about you? What do you do when you
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  Speaker 1: need comfort? What's your go-to?
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  Speaker 2: Soup. Romancing the stone and fluffy sweaters, fluffy socks, and
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  Speaker 2: big heavy blanket.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Those are my comforts. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So like a big cozy movie night with soup.
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  Speaker 2: Does it have to be a movie night? Can it
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  Speaker 2: just be like a whole day?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it could be.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A whole day, a whole week.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a little excessive, but yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, perfect. Now this question, I don't even know my
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  Speaker 1: own answer, but I'm going to ask you. Mountains, beach, city,
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  Speaker 1: or middle of nowhere?
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  Speaker 2: A mountain near a beach in a very small city
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, Tuscany.
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  Speaker 1: Are you allowed to say all of the above to
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  Speaker 1: that question or is it- I might not be answering
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  Speaker 1: all of the above to all the other questions. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, I just need to be in a city.
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  Speaker 1: Like none of that other stuff matters to me because
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  Speaker 1: I just want to be in close proximity to people
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  Speaker 1: and so that I'm not inconvenient. Mountains Beach and Middle
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  Speaker 1: of Nowhere sounds horrifyingly inconvenient.
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  Speaker 2: I love Middle of Nowhere, period. I was going to
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  Speaker 2: actually say Middle of Nowhere, but you know that I've
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  Speaker 2: actually just come back from like this seven-day trek across
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  Speaker 2: the U.S. And every time I was in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of nowhere, it was beautiful. I loved it. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I just want to pull over. and
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  Speaker 2: have like coffee and sit here and contemplate life. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was also mountains everywhere and there were
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  Speaker 2: little lakes and stuff. So there were little beaches. They
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  Speaker 2: were rocky. But, you know, so that's why I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know what? Mountains? Yes. Beach?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Middle of nowhere? Has to be.
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  Speaker 1: And then a little cute quaint city or town that
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  Speaker 1: you pass through.
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  Speaker 2: But you'll come and visit me, right?
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  Speaker 1: I'll come see you once we're through and we've landed somewhere. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose I could do middle of nowhere
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  Speaker 1: as long as there's people around. Maybe this is just
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  Speaker 1: the raging extrovert in me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That needs the concept that other people will be around.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be there. You're coming to me. I would be there.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: There just wouldn't be other people. I'll let you know.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get back to you.
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  Speaker 2: All right. What's one thing you are, you personally, Annette,
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  Speaker 2: are unusually particular about?
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  Speaker 1: I am unusually particular. about if you've asked me what
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  Speaker 1: to do, you've sought my advice, and you tell me
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  Speaker 1: you're going to take my advice, and then you don't
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  Speaker 1: take my advice, I get a little bit, little bit,
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  Speaker 1: let's say ruffled about it. How about you? What is
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  Speaker 1: one thing that you're very particular about?
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  Speaker 2: I don't like ruffles. They have to be laced. But
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  Speaker 2: for me, it's sharpened pencils. Pencils with sharp tips. I
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  Speaker 2: do not like pencils that have dull tips. It drives
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  Speaker 2: me crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I have questions. I follow up questions.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you do.
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  Speaker 1: Do you prefer a pencil over a pen or is
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  Speaker 1: it job specific?
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  Speaker 2: It's job specific. When I'm doodling and coloring pencils, when
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  Speaker 2: I am writing, you know, if it's a document or
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  Speaker 2: if it's a draft or if I'm writing in my journal,
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  Speaker 2: it has to be pen pen. Because pencil smears and
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  Speaker 2: that would drive me absolutely insane. If it's my journal,
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  Speaker 2: if it's a letter, if it's something that I'm writing
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be sticking around longer than my next
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  Speaker 2: desk cleanup.
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  Speaker 1: Which could be at any time, any unknown time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, including like five years from now.
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  Speaker 1: I understand. I am a mechanical pencil girly because you
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  Speaker 1: can always get a fresh tip and you can choose
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  Speaker 1: the thickness of the lead because I feel like a
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  Speaker 1: pointy tip lead is like too thin and I like,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's my big bubbly handwriting. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. Good thing those were supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: rapid fire. Don't ask us to follow directions.
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  Speaker 1: We also are not your rapid fire kind of people,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think that comes with the territory because
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  Speaker 2: we're not 10 year olds anymore. And can I just say,
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  Speaker 2: Hendog and Jimmy V were also not rapid fire. They
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  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, went off on tangents and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: talked for a while. Adorable. We can forgive them because
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  Speaker 2: they're 10 and not 62. But, you know, still.
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  Speaker 1: I also liked how they were a little bit indecisive.
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  Speaker 1: They were ranking their favorite breakfast foods. I had to
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  Speaker 1: go back twice and watch it because when the one
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  Speaker 1: dude said, oh yeah, my favorite is, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: baked pancakes, bacon.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Then the other one's like, hmm, is it high on
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  Speaker 1: the list? And then his food was, number one food
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  Speaker 1: was bacon.
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  Speaker 2: Bacon. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, I mean, bacon is close to all of our hearts,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure, but it was funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. So we're going to get past the
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  Speaker 2: basics now, Annette. So now these are the things you
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  Speaker 2: might not know unless you actually spent some time with us.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: What is something about you, Annette, that people often assume
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  Speaker 2: but it isn't quite right?
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  Speaker 1: I would say that people often assume that I'm younger
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  Speaker 1: than I am. I just think it's the great skincare routine, Sandra.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: So people are often wrong about my age. How about you?
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  Speaker 2: People often assume that I enjoy parties and being around
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  Speaker 2: other people. And that is absolutely not true. I want
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  Speaker 2: to live in a deserted place with no one around
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  Speaker 2: and I don't want to have to go to a party,
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  Speaker 2: even if I booked it myself.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you invited everyone over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: I would agree. I think people assume that you're an
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  Speaker 1: extroverted person because you really perform well in an extroverted
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  Speaker 1: world slash role.
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  Speaker 2: I've tried to figure out what it is. I just
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  Speaker 2: find it exhausting. I like a party, but I like
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  Speaker 2: a very specific type of party. People I know well,
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  Speaker 2: people that I can laugh with. And I've been trying
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  Speaker 2: to think about, is that safety? No, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: just a lack of pressure. I'm allowed to be more authentic. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So no performance is required.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I don't have to talk myself into going. And
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  Speaker 2: then I don't feel the pressure to talk to people.
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  Speaker 2: I can just kind of sit there and listen. Very
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  Speaker 2: small handful of people party is my ideal favorite.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But don't be surprised if I cancel last minute.
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  Speaker 1: What's something everyone else seems to love that you just
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  Speaker 1: don't get?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And what's wrong with TV?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing's wrong with TV. I just, everybody seems to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: enjoy watching television or their shows. And like, I'd rather
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  Speaker 2: curl up with a book or an audio book or
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  Speaker 2: sit and explore something or listen to a TED Talk. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what about you? I have....
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  Speaker 1: Also don't love TV that much, but that's like a
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  Speaker 1: really recent kind of thing. I would have to say
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  Speaker 1: that something that people seem to love is getting notifications
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  Speaker 1: on their phone. And I don't want that. I want
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  Speaker 1: less notifications and I want to check in when I
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  Speaker 1: want to check in. I went through a digital detox
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  Speaker 1: and ever since then, I have had my notifications for
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  Speaker 1: major things off and it has been very free, very free.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not perfect. And my phone does go off, but
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  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what it was before I did
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  Speaker 1: the digital detox.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right. Annette, what's a book that you wish
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  Speaker 2: you could read again as if you had never read
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  Speaker 2: it before? This was your first time going through and
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  Speaker 2: have that whole experience all over again.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, goodness. So there's been some doozies that I've read
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  Speaker 1: this year. Right, because our friend Pam has this in
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  Speaker 1: this weird book club, like books that break your brain.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe one of those, but I'm actually thinking about, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if I've told you that I'm doing, I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to go back to things that I read a
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  Speaker 1: long time ago and reread them. So I already did
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  Speaker 1: this earlier this year, maybe last year with Wuthering Heights. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it was awful. It was awful the second time going through,
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  Speaker 1: just as awful as I remembered it. But I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: that maybe there's something else good for me there that
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  Speaker 1: I could go back to like online. on Walden Pond,
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  Speaker 1: or I was thinking about The Scarlet Letter and experiencing
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  Speaker 1: that again for the first time. And the one that
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  Speaker 1: was crazy this year that I don't know if I'd
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  Speaker 1: want to experience it again, but maybe I'd go in
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  Speaker 1: with less expectation, which might clear up how I experienced it,
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  Speaker 1: was Yesteryear.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Thank you, Pam. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Pam. Nod to Pam. And we're meeting again
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  Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks for another weirdo book that
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  Speaker 1: she had us reading, which was also very good and bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. How about you? What book do you
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  Speaker 1: wish you could experience for the first time again?
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  Speaker 2: I have very many. And every single time I read
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  Speaker 2: Anne of Green Gables, I forget that Matthew dies at
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  Speaker 2: the end. I'm sorry, spoiler alert, Matthew died.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, if you don't know that, spoiler alert, you're probably,
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  Speaker 1: you know, barely have a pulse anyways. It's fine.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember the first time I read the book,
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  Speaker 2: I was in my teens and I cried. I cried,
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  Speaker 2: I cried, I cried. And yeah, it's that experience for
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  Speaker 2: me every time I read it. But as I get
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  Speaker 2: a little older, now I know Matthew dies and, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I really wish I could go back and recapture that grief,
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  Speaker 2: that profound grief of being so moved by a character. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and something that people might not know about you, Annette,
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  Speaker 2: because there is a question here about genre, favorite book
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  Speaker 2: by genre, which we're not going to get into because
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  Speaker 2: for you, it would be like, we'll still be here
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  Speaker 2: 15 years from now, still talking about favorite book by genre.
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  Speaker 2: But something that people may not know about you is
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  Speaker 2: that you actually keep your reading lists on Goodreads up
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  Speaker 2: to date and by year.
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  Speaker 1: I do. Yes, it's 2022. I have to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: it's a little fuzzy because I was trying to rebuild
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  Speaker 1: it from memory and going back to old posts was
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  Speaker 1: not working out for me. So I sort of gave
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  Speaker 1: in and let it go. But I do agree. I
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  Speaker 1: try and keep it by year. And my favorite genre always, ever,
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  Speaker 1: forever is.
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  Speaker 1: Nonfiction. And I do like a good business, how to
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  Speaker 1: self-help book. And then only second to that would be
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  Speaker 1: a biography, true story kind of thing. And then I
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  Speaker 1: pepper in like one of my friends, Veronica Wynn is
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  Speaker 1: a romance author. So always I read her stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: then I'll read whatever Pamela recommends. And then you have
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  Speaker 1: given me book recommendations. Yep. probably you're going to find
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  Speaker 1: me reading some kind of business self-help career kind of book.
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  Speaker 2: And how many books do you normally have going at
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  Speaker 2: the same time?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I only have one book.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: I do not read multiple books at once. I only
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  Speaker 1: read one, but I can usually get through one or
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  Speaker 1: two a week because I'm audio book focused. So while
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing something that only requires my hands, I can
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  Speaker 1: quote unquote read. And that is while I'm doing my hair,
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  Speaker 1: my makeup, cooking, doing the dishes yeah laundry i read
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  Speaker 1: a lot when i'm doing laundry yeah yeah what do
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  Speaker 1: you read or prefer to read by genre.
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  Speaker 2: I i have very eclectic i do likes i i
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  Speaker 2: like fiction i like non-fiction I do like business books.
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  Speaker 2: I do like, I know weirdly, you know, all the
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  Speaker 2: books about trauma. Let me read a good book about trauma.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many good books about trauma, though. There's so many.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's the whole category of books around, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the work that you and I do and, you know—
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  Speaker 2: Getting immersed in that and reading what's coming up in
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  Speaker 2: the field, mostly to keep our knowledge fresh and to
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  Speaker 2: be challenged in different ways. I do like a good
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  Speaker 2: spirituality book, but really, honestly, I think my favorite is
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  Speaker 2: a good murder mystery book. And last year I found
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  Speaker 2: out about the Flavia DeLuce series and I literally devoured
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  Speaker 2: like the first 10 books. And I do mean devoured
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  Speaker 2: because as soon as it was finished, I was ordering
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  Speaker 2: them two at a time from the library and sitting
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  Speaker 2: down and just listening to the whole thing a day.
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  Speaker 2: I have a lot of favorite authors, but typically when
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  Speaker 2: I find a good book by an author that has multiple,
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  Speaker 2: I'll read the whole series of books and then I'll
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  Speaker 2: get bored and then I'll move on and find something else.
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  Speaker 1: Find something else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. It's kind of like pizza. I could
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  Speaker 2: eat pizza for five months straight and then, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Not want it for a while.
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  Speaker 2: And then don't show me pizza for at least a week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at least. At least seven days. Seven business days.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that is funny.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: One more thing. question that I have for you in
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  Speaker 1: this category is what's one completely impractical thing that you'd
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  Speaker 1: love to learn?
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  Speaker 2: Okay. This is a dangerous statement for me because the
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  Speaker 2: thing that I have too much of is art supplies, right?
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  Speaker 2: I have an entire art store in my home. The
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  Speaker 2: one impractical Sandra should never, ever, ever, ever learn thing
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  Speaker 2: is how to use a Cricut.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, a Cricut machine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because then, you know, I'll be lost.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be lost forever.
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  Speaker 2: Forever. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: At least we'll know where to find you, though. You'll
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  Speaker 1: be in your basement with the cricket. We would never
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  Speaker 1: lose you.
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  Speaker 2: In the middle of nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: In the middle of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: In the mountains by a beach.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in heaven.
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  Speaker 2: I'm dying in heaven.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to impractically learn a cricket just in
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  Speaker 1: case I needed it. You know, I could do it.
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  Speaker 1: 3D printing would probably be along those same lines. I'd
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: never come out. But something impractical that I'd like to
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: learn is any kind of like game. Like I don't
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: play cards.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: What? I know.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: My friend Jessica just got into Mahjong. I think I'm
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: saying that right. I'd love to do that, but I
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: don't have the patience for it. So I know I'd
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: get annoyed with it in five seconds. I wish I
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: was more interested in stuff like that.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. Annette, I may have to rethink whether you're
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: coming over to my little party or not.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I would cook for you if you want.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. Okay, yes. That is, anybody who cooks
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: for me is more than welcome, always.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Perfect. Well, I think we've definitely established that we are
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit quirky now.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: So let's go one layer deeper. Not therapy, not coaching,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: just a few things we're still learning about being ourselves. Ooh,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: this is good.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: All right. I might cry here.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: My goal is not to have you cry here. Let's see.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: This is probably true for a lot of the people listening,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: especially women of a certain age, tenured age. What's something
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you're still figuring out?
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Something that's very alive for me right now, and I've
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: been doing a lot of writing about it, is... How
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: to balance you and me. Yesterday was the full moon
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: in Aries. Aries is all about me. And full moon
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: means because the full moon is directly opposite the sun.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: That means that on the other side, the sun was
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: in Libra, which is all about us. So it's me
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: in relationship to you. And so that was the dichotomy
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: or the polarity that has been playing out in the world,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: not just astrologically, which is one of my favorite things
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: to talk about. I'm still very much in this aliveness
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: of when I want something, how do I balance that
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: with what's good for you. Just thinking about the show,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: we do different things. How do we balance a topic
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: that is not 100% Sandra, not 100% Annette, but has
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: that balance between the two of us? And yes, sometimes
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: we skew more one way, sometimes we skew more another way.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: In life, especially with young adults right now, it's very
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: much a... I, we dynamic and really helping them to
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: work through how do you balance that with other people?
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Because now it's more complex. It's not like, hey, can
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I share my candy with you? It's how do I
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: work through? I mean, they're living in residence, so they're
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: learning how to get along with other people, but they're
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: also learning how do I cook for myself? And when
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I cook for myself, how do I figure out what
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: works and if there's other people using the kitchen and
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: this whole dynamic of what I want versus how that
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: impacts other is something that is very much alive for me.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm still at my advanced years trying to figure
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: it out. What about you?
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I think something that I'm still figuring out is who
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I am, what I want, what's possible, what am I
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: capable of? I don't know if there's really ever a
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: full answer to that because as things come up or
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: as I grow or as I experiment and I find
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: different things, I think that that's still something that I'm
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: working through. And of course, what you're talking about with
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the balance between myself and others, super huge. And I
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's because like you, I'm an eldest
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: daughter and caregiving is really what's very prominent in my
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: life right now. And one day I feel like I'll
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: be able to say, I get to choose me unequivocally
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: because I will always choose to help many people that
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I know and love. But one day, one day I
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: know I'm just going to say to hell with everything
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: else and would choose me.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And you're going to jump in the shower and just
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: stay there.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Can I stay there forever? Is that an option? Can
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: we have like an infinity?
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Of hot water?
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Of hot water.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: That is perfectly, you know, almost boiling, but not quite. Yes.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: That's the kind.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Of water that I need. Oh my gosh. Yes. That
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: should have been one of our questions. I don't know.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Water temperature.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, you know, people are talking about
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: doing cold showers. Like seriously.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Seriously. Well, listen, I have, but it's not something that
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: my nervous system really needs right now.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe if I was like 35 years younger.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I cannot imagine.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: No, I can't.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I'd be freaking out. So no, I cannot.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Annette, what is it that I do particularly well that
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you genuinely appreciate?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked me this question. I always
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: love how you make space for other people and you
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: always have such a naturally warm and curious reaction. And
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I'm always so jealous of that because it just, it's
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: always perfect. It always is like, Why didn't I think
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: of that? What a perfect thing to say. And so
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I try to build that pause in when I'm speaking,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: but you do it so well, so naturally. Like it
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is just who you are and it amazes me every
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: single time.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I have members of my family who would look at
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: you and say, that is not her.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, let's be honest. The version of you that
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I see is not the version of you that your
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: children see. or your partner sees, right? Those are the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: people that you can unabashedly be who you are with,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming, and it's unfiltered. So there's, I'm sure, this
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: other side to you. There is to all of us,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: but that's not really what we're talking about.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: All right, Annette, can I tell you what I genuinely
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: admire about you? Sure. Okay. Besides your eyelash game.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I did share my eyelash game with you.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah. Girlfriend. You have like the most amazing. What
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I genuinely love about you is how diplomatic you are.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: how much you really attentively listen to people. And you
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: have this amazing way of grasping all of the key points,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: summarizing them, and presenting both sides of the equation so
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: that everybody feels heard and their points come across. And
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you do it so effortlessly. You're always like, wow, wow,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: did I really say all of those things? Did they
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: really say all of those things? But yet everybody's like, yeah, yeah,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: she gets me. And you naturally bridge people in a
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: way that is so beautiful, so genuine. I'm always amazed
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: when I see you do that in real time, because
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: there's a part of me that's sitting here going, I
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: would have told them exactly what I thought about that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: And nobody would be sitting there going, yeah, she understood
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: what I meant.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Sandra. I would like to say that I have
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: honed that skill over years of practice, but I think
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that's part of who I am.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And like most people, I'm sure you find this too
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: when you're working with your clients. I see it all
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the time with my career coaching clients. That thing that
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: we are so naturally adept at is the thing that
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: we don't put an emphasis on because we don't think
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: we're doing anything hard.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: It's not work.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It's not a challenge. So thank you for seeing that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I am always like jaw drop moment, like, wow,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Look at her go.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: All right. Let's do a couple of quirky. And this
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: is the stuff that you only know when you actually
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: know someone. So dogs, coffee, weird habits, stuff like that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I'm ready.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I'm ready.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: This is a tough question for you, I'm sure, because
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: you have two. But how are your dogs exactly like you?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Or is there one of your pets that's exactly like you?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Chanel is a Bichon Poodle mix. And she has... Poofy,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: curly hair. So that is one way that she's exactly
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: like me.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Then the other one is a couton d' étulier. And he is,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: he's weird. He's just, he's beyond weird. I mean, he
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: barks at the wrong direction. He attacks delivery people frequently.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: My favorite part of an Amazon delivery is when they
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: send you the photo and there's, you know, Halston in
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the background, like literally tearing down the door. But he's
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: also so incredibly sensitive and so like quirky funny. And
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I feel like when you get past the tough, outer
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: shell with me that I put up, that's what you get.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: You get the crazy woman who's like, you know, doing
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: something everybody else is thinking, oh my God, what is
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: her problem? But underneath is like the real softie that
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: will cry if you tell her something. So I think
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: there are aspects of both dogs that are definitely me.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: What about you? How is Claire like you?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Claire is my crazy Pomeranian and how I think she's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: like me. I mean, obviously her hair is everywhere. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: before we had her in the house, it was my
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: hair that was always like, oh my God, can somebody
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: vacuum that up? I need to get the broom out.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: So now it's just her hair. It's everywhere. It's overtaken
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: my hair. forget about it. And then the second piece
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: is that Claire is this little tiny dog, 10 pounds,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: but she is a fierce defender of her people. And
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: so I feel like that is truly me because you
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: will usually find me sticking up for somebody and I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: don't let the little infraction go unnoticed or unmentioned. Yes,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I think that's what she does when she takes a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And I knew that she was defending us. I only
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: learned this later when I would take her to the groomer.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, did she bark the whole time at
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: other dogs? And they're like, no, what are you talking about?
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: And then the moment I would come in or my
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: husband would go pick her up, she would bark at
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: all the other dogs. And I figured out, oh, she's
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: defending us. She thinks she's in charge of our safety
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and welfare. I think she could do it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: But all eight pounds of her. Yes. Oh, my God.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yes. Correct. She'd, you know, have you choke on a hairball.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: That's how she'd save us.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: What do you think? If we wrap up and ask
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: our secret question to each other. Ooh, okay.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: So we're ending this episode with questions that we haven't
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: had a chance to prepare for. And yes, Annette has
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: been stressing about this for the last 48 hours since
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I said, well, I'm going to pick a question. And
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you what it is. And
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: she's like, no.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: That's why you're going first. Yes.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: There were a few ground rules. Nothing invasive. No gotchas.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: You know, the whole point is for us to just
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: be genuine and honest. Not that we're not, but just
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to be genuine, spontaneous, and just not have a prepared answer.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: So we started this whole episode by mentioning Hen... Hendog.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Hendog.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And Jimmy V. And Jimmy V. Yes. And these 10
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: year old boys. If you were to go back to
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: your 10 year old self, what do you think she'd
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: be most genuinely surprised about you now?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: That is a good question. I am going to say
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that she would genuinely be surprised. that all the things
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the teachers told her she shouldn't do, like stop talking,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: be quiet, don't help so-and-so over there with their homework,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: are all the things that I'm naturally good at. And
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the things that I finally figured out are the things
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: that I should lean into instead of listen to the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: people that say, don't do that.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I love that so much.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: So there you go, sister, whoever. Yes, I do talk
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a lot. And now I essentially get paid to talk.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Yes. My report cards were filled with that stuff. All right, Sandra.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And this is a question for you because we've talked
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: about it high level, but I'm wondering if we could
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: just go a little deeper. So you and I started
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: having these conversations, I think in twenty twenty three. Does
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that sound right?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: And you had invited me to have a conversation with you.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: And then at the end of that conversation, you said,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you want to do this every week?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And I said, sure, why not? But what even spurred
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you to invite me to have a live conversation on LinkedIn? I, well,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: first of all, I love spending time with you.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: You had me at hello.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how cute. Thank you.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: You too. I think I just really loved spending time
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: with you. I don't think we think alike. I don't
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: think that we necessarily agree on everything. We certainly have our,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: you know, let's not go there. But one of the
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: things that I appreciate so much about the conversations that
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: we have is that they tell both sides of the
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: same story. What is it like to be a woman today,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: a woman of a been raised with a certain type
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: of worldview and then walk into a workforce that, you know,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: may not appreciate those things in a way that you're
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: being asked to create change. And it's not always received.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I think that it's tough to be a strong woman
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: with opinions in the world. And when I'm with you,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: like I said, we don't always agree. We have some
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: feisty conversations where, you know, you can be very spicy.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that about you. And that's not to
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: say I'm not spicy, but you know. Correct. but, but I,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I think that we have some lively conversations. We don't agree,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: but underneath all of that is a genuine respect for
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the things that we bring to the conversations, the way
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: that we look at things and without getting all bent
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: out of shape about it. And I love, that so
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the chance to do that with you every week was
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: like she said yes oh my gosh she said yes
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: i feel like i asked her to bury me and
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: she said.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Yes it's just like hen dog and jimmy b it
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: is Except we were much older and experienced and tenured.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And I have to tell you that the reason I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: said yes is because I felt that same level of
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: respect and appreciation that we weren't always coming from things
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: at the exact same perspective. But there was the freedom
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to respectfully disagree and the ability to hear each other out.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And that is a very unusual set of circumstances. Usually
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: people are only trying to push their own agenda. And
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: when I get the chance to work with you or
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: talk to you, you are very open to listening and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: then saying, this is where I differ. And I'm able
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: to hear that side from you and evaluate it and say,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's how I really think about it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Or can I say, I appreciate that. I disagree, but
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I appreciate.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: And I think the other thing, too, is we've both
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: changed each other's mind in the time that we've been
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: doing this. In the three years that we have been
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: doing this, there have been really strong positions that I've
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: walked into our conversations with that over time I've learned
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: to say, yeah, OK, maybe I don't feel so strongly
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: about that anymore. And I've seen the same from you,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, at first I wouldn't have
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: said that. But now, Sandra, having been part of these
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: conversations over a period of time, I can see how
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: that is different for me.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And appreciation for sure of other people's experiences is what
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: your perspective has given me. Just the chance to sit
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: and evaluate and say, that may not be how I
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: feel about it, but I can understand that's how you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: feel about it because of what you've been through. And that's,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I think, all we can hope to be is better
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: humans listening to each other, trying to navigate whatever this
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: crazy life is and figuring it out.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think the other part that I would
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: hope people take away from these conversations is that we
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: are two women who do work that is in some
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: ways overlapping. And I have never felt like we competed
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: with each other. Because the things that we do and
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: the skills that we bring to the conversations are so
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: different that if somebody came to me and said, can
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: you help me with the same things that you do?
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I would say, well, I can. I'm not going to
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: be your best person. And I know somebody who can
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: help you with what you're looking for. And she would
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: be much better at it than I would. So I
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: would hope that people would take away from these conversations
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: that finding people in your own niche who do what
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: you do, it's not competition. It is absolutely growing yourself,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: growing the people that count on you for support, growing
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: your network. I hope that people are taking that away
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: from these conversations. It's about being collaborative and supporting each
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: other and not cutting each other down or competing with
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: each other.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: And one of my core values is collaboration over competition.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I really believe it is a choice because even if
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you do the same thing, there's a chance you're not
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: going to do it exactly the same way or the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: same approach with the same history, with the same lived experience.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: So you can't. So it's never, never competition. It is
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: always collaboration and the chance to teach each other something.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: What is better than that as your legacy of a
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: lived life?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you accepted my proposal.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I said yes. So I guess
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I just want to leave the listener here with a question.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Which question would you have answered very differently five years ago?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. So out of everything Sandra and
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I asked today, what would you have answered very differently
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: five years ago?
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  Speaker 2: And when you pick one, make sure you tell us
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the answer in the comments, either through the podcasting platforms
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: that you're listening to us on, or if you're listening
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: to us online in some way through Instagram, LinkedIn, or Facebook,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: just drop us a comment and tell us, share it
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: with us. We always want to know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Sandra, I think we should invite people to our newsletter
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: so that people can receive the special cut of the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: episode that didn't make it to the primary episode.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: You mean the bloopers?
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Not the bloopers necessarily. Like these embarrassing questions that are
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: probably going to get cut out of the primary episode.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And then we're going to package them together. It'll be
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: short and sweet and they can hear like the real
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: super secret weird stuff that we talked about. Yes.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So if you give us your email and you sign
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: up for our newsletter, we will send you the, what's
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: it called? Special edition. Special director's cut. The director's cut.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Do we have director as our title on LinkedIn or
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: do we have to fix that right now?
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: We have executive producers.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So should we make it the executive
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: producer cut?
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. The executive producer cut.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, there we go. Now we've been promoted
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and amazing in like five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Sandra.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Bye. Bye.