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Oh My God We Have A Soul with Judith A. Swack, Ph.D. · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapist Podcast. My name is Guy McPherson.
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  Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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  Speaker 1: So five, four, three, two, and one. Our folks, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: Very excited to have as my guest today, Judith Swack, Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Judith Swack. Dr. Swack is a biochemist, immunologist, master NLP practitioner,
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  Speaker 1: and originator of Healing from the Body Level Up, an
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  Speaker 1: innovative and powerful methodology designed to clear the effects of trauma. Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Swack has spent decades researching how trauma imprints across multiple
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  Speaker 1: levels of the human system and developed target protocols to
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  Speaker 1: clear those patterns. She's presented her dramatic results on national
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  Speaker 1: television at international conferences as well. She's published in scientific, professional,
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  Speaker 1: and popular books and journals. Her latest book is titled
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  Speaker 1: Clear Trauma Now, The Powerful Solution for Getting Unstuck. Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Swack offers monthly live trauma healing webinars, professional training in HBLU,
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  Speaker 1: and works with clients in person and by Zoom. All right, Judith,
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  Speaker 1: just a little bit about you. Before we get going,
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  Speaker 1: share with our listeners where you're from originally and where
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  Speaker 1: you are currently.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Originally, I was from Cleveland, Ohio. And I
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  Speaker 2: got my master's degree in biochemical research there and decided
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  Speaker 2: I was tired of Cleveland and I wanted to move
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  Speaker 2: someplace more exciting. So I moved to Washington, D.C. and
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  Speaker 2: got my Ph.D. at the National Cancer Institute as an
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  Speaker 2: external student at George Washington University. And while I was
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  Speaker 2: getting my Ph.D., I thought, oh, I'd like to have
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  Speaker 2: a love life.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I kept dating these emotionally unavailable men. And I
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  Speaker 2: noticed that there was a pattern. I was getting the
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  Speaker 2: same pattern in different bodies, but I couldn't figure out
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  Speaker 2: how to correct that. And I was pointing to my
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  Speaker 2: head because at that time, and remember, I was in
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  Speaker 2: my 30s, so I was young. I literally believed as
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  Speaker 2: a scientist that the purpose of the body was to
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  Speaker 2: carry around your head. So, of course, I pointed to
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  Speaker 2: my head. I'm an intelligent woman. Why can't I figure
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  Speaker 2: out what I'm doing wrong here and attract the right
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  Speaker 2: kind of man? But fortunately, one of the men I
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  Speaker 2: dated suggested I do a self-help workshop, and I took
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  Speaker 2: a training called actualizations, which is kind of like EST
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  Speaker 2: or LifeSpring or something like that. And I discovered the
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  Speaker 2: unconscious mind, which of course I'd been unconscious of. So
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  Speaker 2: I realized being a very intelligent woman, that the problem
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  Speaker 2: was not with my conscious mind. The problem was in
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  Speaker 2: my unconscious mind. And that if I could heal my
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  Speaker 2: unconscious mind and align it with my conscious mind, then
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  Speaker 2: I could get the results I wanted in my life.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the answer, except I didn't know how
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  Speaker 2: to do that. So I took a training in neuro-linguistic programming.
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  Speaker 2: And I learned how to connect with the unconscious mind.
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  Speaker 2: And then I learned techniques for healing the unconscious mind.
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  Speaker 2: And I went for NLP therapy. Long story short, I've
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  Speaker 2: been married about 37 years. Our anniversary is coming up.
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  Speaker 2: I have a healthy daughter who got married at the
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  Speaker 2: age of 23 to the love of her life and
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  Speaker 2: is still married 10 years later. So I figured out
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  Speaker 2: the whole relationship thing. That really worked well. And one
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  Speaker 2: of my favorite things to do is to get people
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  Speaker 2: happily married. Or they're already married before they get to
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  Speaker 2: see me. I like to heal the relationship so that
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  Speaker 2: they have happy marriages and happy relationships. And I actually
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  Speaker 2: thought of it as getting another bachelor's degree. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I studied it that much that learning how to have healthy,
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  Speaker 2: happy relationships was an entire another degree. So I really
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  Speaker 2: know how to do that. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Let me interrupt for a second. So some
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  Speaker 1: might say. that this merging, and this might be a
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  Speaker 1: very limited and naive perspective, and I appreciate that, but
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  Speaker 1: yet it's out there. Some might say that this merging
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  Speaker 1: of scientific background, your interest in immunology and biochemistry with
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  Speaker 1: the unconscious might be be like oil and vinegar or
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  Speaker 1: oil and water rather. And I understand that's a very
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  Speaker 1: limited perspective, but it's true. I mean, how did you
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  Speaker 1: move from this kind of quote-unquote hard science into what
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  Speaker 1: some might call a soft science in a sense?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I actually brought hard science to mind-body therapy. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I did because I figured that the field was
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  Speaker 2: very loosey-goosey. And very random. And I believe that if
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  Speaker 2: somebody ever accomplished something once, it could be done again
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  Speaker 2: if you could figure out the protocol and make it reproducible.
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  Speaker 1: That's a scientific method.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, scientific method. And, of course, that's scientific curiosity. So
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  Speaker 2: that's why I'm actually the originator of healing from the
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  Speaker 2: body level up, because I was called to do this work.
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  Speaker 2: It was funny. In my practitioner training for NLP at
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  Speaker 2: a break, second semester, two of my colleagues asked me
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  Speaker 2: to work with them privately. And I said, what? I'm
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  Speaker 2: a bench scientist. I feel naked without a lab coat.
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  Speaker 2: Anything larger than an enzyme is too big for me
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  Speaker 2: to grok. And go away. Go away and ask the
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  Speaker 2: teachers to work with you because they know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: And they said, no, no, we want to work with you.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, but I don't even have an office.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was disorienting to think of me in
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  Speaker 2: street clothes, sitting in a chair in an office across
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  Speaker 2: from a person. And this woman said, oh, you can
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  Speaker 2: have my office in the evenings. It's a social work
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  Speaker 2: office and it's five minutes from your house.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And furthermore, my husband, who's a chiropractor who shares the
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  Speaker 2: office suite, he wants to work with you too.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, all right.
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  Speaker 2: And then this man says, yes, and I'm divorced. And
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  Speaker 2: then my teenage son is living with me and he
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  Speaker 2: wants to work with you too. So I said, no,
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  Speaker 2: go away. And I was given an office and four clients.
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  Speaker 2: And they're staring at me.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Judith, hang on. This is great. I want
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  Speaker 1: to slowly roll up to this. So you were doing
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  Speaker 1: your PhD. You wanted to love life. You started meeting
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  Speaker 1: these individuals. Things weren't working out. And you were like,
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  Speaker 1: what the heck is going on? So you start. Educating yourself,
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  Speaker 1: what happens when you start learning about the subconscious? What
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  Speaker 1: begins to call you, in a sense, and pull you
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  Speaker 1: away from... Is it true you were pulled away from
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  Speaker 1: immunology and so forth?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes, kind of. Because what happened... Okay, listen. I
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  Speaker 2: believe there is a God and we have a path.
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  Speaker 2: And I believe that our conscious mind may not be
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  Speaker 2: aware of this, but somehow... And I've seen this over
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  Speaker 2: and over again, and you personally probably have experienced this. Somehow,
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  Speaker 2: you think you're going in one direction, because first I
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  Speaker 2: was going to be a doctor, and then I was
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  Speaker 2: going to be a world-class immunologist. So I thought. But somehow,
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  Speaker 2: the doors close in that direction, and something else opens up.
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  Speaker 2: that you never considered. And the more you try to
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  Speaker 2: bang against the closed doors, the more you get hit
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  Speaker 2: over the head with a two-by-four. You finally wake up
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  Speaker 2: and go, oh, gee, I have to go in this
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  Speaker 2: direction because I can't go anywhere else. So that's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: I ended up doing mind-body therapy. Now, I had a
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  Speaker 2: full practice from my NLP training. And after I worked
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  Speaker 2: with them and helped them, they sent clients. So I
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  Speaker 2: had a full practice while during the day I was
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  Speaker 2: working in the lab.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And I still thought of it as a side gig.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But, of course, being a scientist, I did other trainings.
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  Speaker 2: I learned other techniques. I learned energy psychology. I learned tapping.
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  Speaker 2: I got my master practitioner training in NLP. And one
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  Speaker 2: of my clients told me that this woman got her
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  Speaker 2: through her stuff faster than I did. I, of course,
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  Speaker 2: couldn't tolerate that. So I immediately took her training and
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  Speaker 2: learned that we had a soul. And I'm like, oh, seriously? Seriously?
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  Speaker 2: So eventually, and also when I learned tapping, I learned
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  Speaker 2: we had a body and I thought, really, we have
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  Speaker 2: a body. So now I went gung ho into the
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  Speaker 2: unconscious mind, thought I knew everything. And then I'm introduced
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  Speaker 2: to the body and I have to learn all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm introduced to the soul and I'm like, oh, what?
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  Speaker 2: Now I have to learn that stuff. And then I
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  Speaker 2: was introduced to the ego structure. So I used the
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  Speaker 2: Enneagram model of personality, and I figured out how to
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  Speaker 2: upgrade the bugs in the ego distortions of the Enneagram type.
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  Speaker 1: Hang on. Why were you so interested in learning all
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  Speaker 1: of this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. My highest value is service to
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  Speaker 2: my clients.
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  Speaker 1: But even before that, this idea of having clients... It
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  Speaker 1: just seems to me from your beginnings so foreign. Here
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  Speaker 1: you were a bench scientist. Now all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: you have clients.
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  Speaker 2: I was called.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you were called.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you think that was pretty loud? I say, go away,
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  Speaker 2: and then they give me more.
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  Speaker 1: I do. I do. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And they weren't moving.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't going away.
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  Speaker 2: They weren't going away. So I thought about it, and
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  Speaker 2: I thought, well, I'm really good at this. I enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: I was doing it for me, for my own love. life,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm being asked and they're not saying they won't
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  Speaker 2: take a no. So I said, all right, I'll do
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  Speaker 2: the experiment. See, everything in my life is an experiment, right?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, we'll see what happens. I'll do
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  Speaker 2: the experiment. We'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: So when you, when you first started seeing clients, What
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  Speaker 1: was that like for you? Because here you are in
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  Speaker 1: a capacity completely different from when you're with your white
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  Speaker 1: lab coat on and doing scientific experiments. What is that
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  Speaker 1: like for you? Are you awkward? Are you nervous? Are
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  Speaker 1: you what?
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  Speaker 2: I was very good at it. I knew I was
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  Speaker 2: good at it because we practiced with each other. It
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  Speaker 2: was a year long training. We practiced with each other.
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  Speaker 2: That's how they knew I was good at it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't think of it as something I was
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  Speaker 2: going to do with other people. I did it because
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  Speaker 2: it was practice for the class, and I did it
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  Speaker 2: for me to clear myself inside. But then, of course,
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  Speaker 2: there were other plans in the universe for me.
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  Speaker 1: What made you good at it?
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  Speaker 2: I was really good at it. I'm really good at
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  Speaker 2: this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But what made you so good at it?
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  Speaker 2: I think I have an innate talent.
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  Speaker 1: For what?
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  Speaker 2: For understanding... the three-dimensionality of the life form.
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  Speaker 1: Give me an example.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can hear underneath the surface. So, for example,
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  Speaker 2: I had a client the other day. He told me
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  Speaker 2: he had an argument with his girlfriend. His girlfriend has
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  Speaker 2: an autoimmune disease. And she complained... that the shower in
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  Speaker 2: his apartment, the floor was a little bit slippery and
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  Speaker 2: she was afraid that there was mold or bacteria growing there.
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  Speaker 2: And she didn't think his cleaning lady was doing a
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  Speaker 2: good enough job. So she offered to buy the cleaning
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  Speaker 2: lady a new type of scrub brush to help her
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  Speaker 2: do a better job cleaning. And he missed the point
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  Speaker 2: and said, I don't think my cleaning lady needs a
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  Speaker 2: scrub brush anymore. And I don't want to buy a
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  Speaker 2: scrub brush. So they argued about the scrub brush. But
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  Speaker 2: I said, listen, you're an emotionally intelligent man. What is
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  Speaker 2: she saying to you? Really, what is she saying to you?
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  Speaker 2: Because communication is done at the unconscious level. It's not
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  Speaker 2: done at the conscious level. What is she saying to you?
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  Speaker 2: She's saying that she has fear of germs because her
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  Speaker 2: immune system is compromised. So she's hypersensitive. And she maybe
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  Speaker 2: is a little bit OCD about germs. So what she's
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  Speaker 2: saying is I don't want to admit that I'm frightened
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  Speaker 2: and that I feel that my immune system is inadequate.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to project out that there's a problem
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  Speaker 2: with the shower and it's with your cleaning lady. And
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  Speaker 2: so now I'm going to pretend that I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: help your cleaning lady so I don't have to admit
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  Speaker 2: that I'm frightened of germs. And you said, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to buy this for the cleaning lady. You missed
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  Speaker 2: her entire fear of germs and what triggered this whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: And don't tell me that you didn't know what she
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  Speaker 2: was talking about. Because you're emotionally intelligent. So pay attention here.
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  Speaker 2: What was she really saying? Because if you had addressed
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  Speaker 2: it properly and you had spoken to the unconscious mind,
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  Speaker 2: you would have said to her, I understand that you're
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  Speaker 2: nervous about germs because your immune system is compromised. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think the problem is with the cleaning lady, but
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  Speaker 2: what I will do is I will ask the cleaning
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  Speaker 2: lady to make an extra effort to clean that corner
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  Speaker 2: of the bathtub. But what we can also do is
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  Speaker 2: I only have a cleaning lady once a week, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe water accumulates in between. So what we can do together,
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  Speaker 2: this is if he had a healthy relationship, because remember
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  Speaker 2: I'm teaching him how to have a healthy relationship. What
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  Speaker 2: we could do together is we could, after three days,
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  Speaker 2: we could check the... the slipperiness of that section of
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  Speaker 2: the bathtub just to see if things are growing there.
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  Speaker 2: And if there are, maybe we need to clean the
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  Speaker 2: bathtub twice a week instead of once, and I will
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  Speaker 2: be happy to do it with you. That would have
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  Speaker 2: been a healthy relationship between two people. And he came
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  Speaker 2: up with that when I said, look, you're emotionally intelligent. Really,
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  Speaker 2: what's she talking about? And what's the real issue? And
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  Speaker 2: you could have also said, listen, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: insult my cleaning lady by implying that she doesn't know
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  Speaker 2: how to clean the bathtub. I think the issue is this.
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  Speaker 2: So communication is done at the unconscious level. And if
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  Speaker 2: you miss the point and you just look at the surface,
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  Speaker 2: you will never get anywhere in a communication. You'll fight
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  Speaker 2: about nothing and never really solve the problem. So I have.
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  Speaker 2: Intuition i actually have a complete range of psychic abilities
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  Speaker 2: okay i admit it and i can read people i
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  Speaker 2: can see the pictures in their minds i can hear
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  Speaker 2: their thoughts in words i can feel what they're feeling
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  Speaker 2: their bodies and to me it's obvious what's really going
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  Speaker 2: on so i just talk to what's really going on
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  Speaker 2: and we have a conversation about what's really going on
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  Speaker 2: with what's really going on and then we deal with
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  Speaker 2: the real problem.
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  Speaker 1: You cut you cut through everything Right. All right. So let's,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing that. So you start getting trained.
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  Speaker 1: You're working this quote unquote side gig. When do things
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  Speaker 1: become full time for you? When do you realize this
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  Speaker 1: is what I want to do?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I met my husband and after dating him for
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  Speaker 2: three months, and telling him about NLP. So he signed
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  Speaker 2: up and he took training in NLP so he could
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  Speaker 2: talk to the unconscious mind and really communicate properly. He
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  Speaker 2: called me on the phone fainting because he had a
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  Speaker 2: phobia of blood and he cut himself and he was fainting.
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  Speaker 2: He called me on the phone and I knew tapping
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  Speaker 2: at that point. So I told him just tap under
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  Speaker 2: the eyes and tap the armpit points and tap the
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  Speaker 2: back of your hand and do the nine gamut. And
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  Speaker 2: you'll be fine. So I waited while he tapped. And
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  Speaker 2: suddenly he wasn't fainting anymore. The fear disappeared and he
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  Speaker 2: felt fabulous. And he said, this is amazing. You have
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  Speaker 2: to do this full time. I'm going to quit my
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  Speaker 2: job right now. And I'm going to support you to
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  Speaker 2: start a whole business doing this. And I'm like, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: So you see, when the universe calls me, it kind
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  Speaker 2: of shouts because I'm a little dense. It shouts at me.
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  Speaker 2: So I said, well, that's very nice, but what do
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  Speaker 2: you like to do? Well, I like to do computer programming. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so you do computer programming, but because you brought this
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  Speaker 2: to my attention, I'm going to take it more seriously.
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  Speaker 2: So I started seeing six clients a week. So I
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  Speaker 2: was doing my postdoctoral training at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
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  Speaker 2: in human immunology, still thinking I'm going to be an immunologist,
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  Speaker 2: but oh, by the way, I was seeing two people
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  Speaker 2: on weeknights and four on Saturdays.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And then.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get my grant renewed, so I went into industry,
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  Speaker 2: and I had a very good job and made good money,
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  Speaker 2: and we bought a house, and then we got pregnant. Now,
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  Speaker 2: at that point, I came to a crossroads because I
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  Speaker 2: was seeing six clients a week and working in industry
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  Speaker 2: and having a baby. And I said, I can't do
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  Speaker 2: three things well. And it is a rule in life.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody write this down. You can only do two things
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  Speaker 2: well at once. It's a rule. If you try to
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  Speaker 2: do three things, none of them will be well. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I decided that I asked my soul, really, where is
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  Speaker 2: this combination of isness, this being here right now, best
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  Speaker 2: able to serve in terms of contribution to humanity? And
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  Speaker 2: they could hire another biochemist, you see, but not too
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  Speaker 2: many people that I know of, practically none in fact,
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  Speaker 2: had developed a mind-body-healing methodology that was reproducible and worked
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  Speaker 2: where nothing else did and could cure things and heal
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  Speaker 2: things that nobody else could, reproducibly. And I was training
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  Speaker 2: people to do it. So I thought, well, I should
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  Speaker 2: probably give up my job and go into this full-time
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  Speaker 2: because I can only do one thing and I'm better
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  Speaker 2: serving the world in this capacity then in that one,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to raise my daughter. So my husband,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: who told me years ago I should do this full time, right,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: and take it seriously, he was, yes, yes, finally. So
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I quit my job, and within three months I was
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  Speaker 2: seeing 20 clients a week.
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  Speaker 1: How were you getting all these clients? Just word of mouth?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because guess what? Results sell.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. So at what point, Judith?
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  Speaker 2: Friends and refer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. At what point did you formally create HBLU, healing
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  Speaker 1: from the body level up?
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  Speaker 2: Well, at that point, I was calling it the SWAC methodology.
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  Speaker 2: But I named my first training, my Module 1 training,
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  Speaker 2: Healing from the Body Level Up, because what is it doing?
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  Speaker 2: We're muscle testing. Are you familiar with muscle testing? Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so we were muscle testing. The conscious mind
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  Speaker 2: was sending questions into the body, using the body like
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: a lie detector machine, and sending the questions directly to
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the soul to lead the healing. But we were using
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  Speaker 2: the body, and we were using techniques I have a
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: menu of 52 techniques because, you know, you have to
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: have the right technique for the right pattern at the
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: right level. So basically I named my first training healing
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: from the body level up because we're muscle testing. The
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  Speaker 2: body is answering us and we were mostly doing trauma training.
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  Speaker 2: And trauma is a body-level imprint, and you need a
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: body-level technique for that. So I named my first training
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  Speaker 2: Healing from the Body Level Up. Well, what happened was
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the people who took my training started calling my method
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Healing from the Body Level Up. And I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's just the name of my first training. But they
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: called it that. So it named itself. Do you see
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: what happens here? Everybody started calling it that. It named itself.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: And then they started calling it HBLU. So fine, I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: followed along. This is what happens. I get called. Then
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I'm stubborn. Then I miss the point. Then I get
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: beaten up. And then I follow it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: So it named itself Healing from Body Love Up.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: So let's get into a little bit more detail about
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: what is HBLU.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: So the client comes in and says, I'm not getting
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: certain results in my life. Now, I assume that if
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: you have a soul and it's in a body, then
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: you have an unconscious mind and you have a conscious mind.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: And so we are multi-level beings. Your conscious mind is
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  Speaker 2: not your identity. It's just the only thing that you're
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: aware of. But everything else is running at once. So
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  Speaker 2: the challenge in life is to align all the levels
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  Speaker 2: of your being, body, unconscious, conscious, and soul, to be
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  Speaker 2: working all together in the same direction so that you
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  Speaker 2: can create the kind of life that you intend. And
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  Speaker 2: I believe that in addition to creating the kind of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: life you intend, in other words, play the game in
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  Speaker 2: this dimension and see what you can do. Also, your
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: soul is here to make a contribution to the collective
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  Speaker 2: so that the world is better off for your having
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: been here. And that's your purpose. And then of course,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: you're here to grow and evolve, right? So I assume
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that if something isn't working in some area of your life,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: there must be something interfering with you, some kind of block.
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  Speaker 2: So I call these interference patterns or damage patterns. And
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I started mapping interference patterns that run at different levels.
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  Speaker 2: And then I accumulated techniques that would clear those patterns. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the most common pattern that people come in with that's
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: making their life not work is trauma. And I'm the
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  Speaker 2: structure person. I'm the one who discovers the structure of
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: things and figures out the protocols for clearing these patterns
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  Speaker 2: in minutes.
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  Speaker 1: In minutes.
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  Speaker 2: So I figured out the structure of trauma, and in 1994,
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  Speaker 2: I published the paper, The Basic Structure of Loss and
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  Speaker 2: Violence Trauma Imprints. And I used tapping as the strategy
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  Speaker 2: for clearing it, but the key feature here is understanding
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  Speaker 2: the structure. And if you understand that in the moment
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: that you have a fight or flight reaction that traumatizes you,
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  Speaker 2: and that memory gets stuck in your body, and it
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: stays there in your nervous system, until you use a
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  Speaker 2: technique that releases it from your nervous system, you have
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  Speaker 2: a full trauma imprint that can be triggered, you know, forever.
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  Speaker 2: And I discovered that in the moment of trauma, you
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: imprint four major emotions, shock and fear, anger and rage,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: sadness and sorrow, hurt and pain. Then you also go
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: into guilt, shame and blame. It's my fault because fill
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: in the blank. It's other people's fault because fill in
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  Speaker 2: the blank. It's God's fault because fill.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: In the blank.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm powerless and helpless. I have no control.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: If it's a loss, trauma, anxiety about who will take
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: care of me. And then of course the standard, I'm bad, unlovable, undeserving, unworthy.
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  Speaker 2: You wonder how many people walk around feeling I'm undeserving
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: or I'm unworthy or I'm unlovable. And you wonder why
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  Speaker 2: Since our souls are pure God energy and we're here
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: to live a life and it's a sacred thing, why
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: do so many people walk around believing inside that they're unlovable?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Well, because it comes from trauma, which is basically irrational.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know a single person in a body
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: who gets through a life without any kind of trauma.
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  Speaker 2: It's a sad fact. But it was important. So I
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: mapped the structure. And in violence, oh, and in loss,
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  Speaker 2: you have a feeling of emptiness because something is missing now.
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  Speaker 2: usually in your heart or your stomach feels empty. And then,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: of course, there's the anticipatory fear it's going to happen again.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Violence is slightly different. It has safety issues because your
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: boundaries have been violated. Somebody has penetrated your boundaries against
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: your will. So I'm not safe. I'm a victim. I'm
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: a target. People are dangerous or crazy. I can't trust anybody.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And then instead of a feeling of emptiness, there's a
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: feeling of pollution, like I've just been slimed by your
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: energy that I didn't invite. So it turns out that
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I published the basic structure of loss and violence trauma,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: all those feelings and beliefs. And when somebody has a
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: trauma and they read the structure, it organizes, oh, I
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: understand it. It sort of connects the dots and And
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: then I ask what pops out, and it might be
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the shame, it might be the fear, and then we
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: use tapping to clear it, and the whole structure collapses,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: which is why you can heal an entire trauma in
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: anywhere from half an hour to an hour and a half.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Now, how does this, say, differ from other somatic trauma
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: protocols or methodologies?
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't have the structure. So I have the structure.
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  Speaker 2: If you read the patterns... It organizes it. And then
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter which technique you use. You could
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: use any body-oriented technique as long as you've organized around
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the structure of trauma and you've brought the issue up
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and you're feeling the energy in your body.
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  Speaker 1: When you say they don't have the structure, clarify that.
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  Speaker 1: Say more about that.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen anybody who's published anything that says when
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  Speaker 2: you have a trauma, you have shock and fear, anger
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  Speaker 2: and rage, sadness and sorrow, hurt and pain. It's my
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: fault because it's other people's fault. That's the structure.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. And for a client to see that structure and
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: take in that structure, imbibe that structure consciously, you're saying
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that allows them to what? Understand? Yes.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: They understand what they experienced and their unconscious mind organizes it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to give you an example, okay?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I presented at the American Mental Health Council Association this
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: year in Portland. And I demonstrated this process. And I asked,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: who wants to be my volunteer? And the front row,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: this woman, oh, I want to be the volunteer. So
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: she comes up and she tells us that she's getting
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: a divorce. Okay, that's a trauma. I said, all right,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about that. Well, her husband
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: said that they'd been married for 20 years. And one
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: day he came to her and said, listen, I have
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: to tell you, that I don't love you anymore, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not sexually attracted to you anymore, although I think
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you're a nice person, and I've been lying to myself
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: about it for the last 10 years, and it's killing me.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And I went, woo. And she said it completely blindsided
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: her because she thought they were getting along fine. He
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: was very good at lying, clearly. And they had two
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: kids together. The kids were shocked. They never thought anything
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: was wrong. Everybody was very badly shocked. I said, all
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: right then, here, read the outlines. I handed her the book.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: She read the loss outline. She read the violence outline.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: And she started making sense of it in her mind
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: as she's reading it. Then I said, what pops out?
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: She says, you know, I am very spiritual, but I'm
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: ashamed to say I feel it's God's fault because... How
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: could God have paired me with this man who I
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: thought was my soulmate? And it turned out not to be.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: How could God do this to me? And I pointed
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  Speaker 2: out to her that by definition, everything in a trauma
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: outline is irrational. So it has nothing to do with
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: her real spirituality. It's how she feels in trauma. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: it's a legitimate trauma feeling. And she said, oh, oh, right, right, right, right.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: So where do you feel that in your body?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I asked her.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: It was in her heart. So we did a round
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: of tapping. Okay, tap, tap, tap. I deeply and profoundly love, accept,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: respect myself, even though I feel this way. So she
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: did a full round of tapping and took a drink
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: of water, took a breath, let the energy settle. I said,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: how do you feel now in your heart? She said, oh,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: that's gone. Not only is that gone, but my entire
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: chest opened up and now I can breathe and the
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: tension in my neck and shoulders lifted and the tension
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: in the back of my head went away too. I said,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: all right then, now read the outlines again and tell
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: me if there's anything left. So she reads the outlines
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and she says, nope, nothing. I said, okay, well now
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: when you think about the divorce, how do you feel
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: about it? Well, we were married very young and people
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: grow and evolve over time and they move in different
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: directions and, you know, it's nobody's fault. It's just a
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: thing that happens and I got two kids out of it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: We had good times. We both grew and evolved. We
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: learned a lot from each other. And now it's time
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to move on.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Wow. Boom. One round.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: One round. She cleared the entire thing.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Now, depending on what she, quote unquote... jumped out to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: her or popped out to her after she read that structure,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: that would allow you to determine the protocol or methodology
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you use?
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: No, I just was using tapping.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Right. But had she picked something else, would you have
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: used something else? No. Or just tapping?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Just tapping.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Now, I do have a menu of 52 techniques. So
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: if she were in my office and this popped out
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and I could muscle test her I would ask, what
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: technique do you want to use? And we would count
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: through my menu and she would pick another technique. But
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: for the sake of the demonstration, I was only showing
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: one technique that works pretty much for everything. Okay. So
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: that's why I did that. But yes, if you're in
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: my office, I open up my entire menu. Once we
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: find it and you locate it in the body, I
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: ask your soul what technique you want to use and
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: they choose it off my menu. Or If they're a
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: healer and they've learned things, we might pick it off
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: of their menu.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Well, all right, Judith, as we kind of wind down here,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the book is called Clear Trauma Now, The Powerful Solution
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: for Getting Unstuck. Who's this book for?
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Everybody.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Everybody with a body.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Everybody with a body. Everybody needs to learn what trauma
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: is and then learn to do the technique. to manage
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: your nervous system. The most important thing I can teach
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: anybody in life is how to recognize when you feel
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: traumatized and apply a technique right then to release the
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: trauma memory from your nervous system so that you can
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: function rationally in this world and not carry it with you.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: And then of course, I want professionals to learn how
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: to do this because I want them to do it
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: with their clients. I want this to be the standard
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: of care for all professionals that do healing.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Now, do you offer training yourself? Oh, absolutely.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: So I offer healing from the body level up training. Remember,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: it named itself. So healing from the body level up
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: training is a five-day training, and it teaches you how
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to do all kinds of trauma, and it teaches you
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: 10 different techniques, and it also teaches you the protocol
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: for healing PTSD. Five days of training. You're a practitioner.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: You can heal your clients of PTSD.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Awesome. All right, Judith. What's the best way for people
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to learn more about you, pick up the book, and
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: your trainings?
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Go to my website, hblu.org.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Short for healingfromthebodylevelup.org.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: All right. We'll have all that linked up here at
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the show notes page at the traumatherapistpodcast.com. Judith, I love
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: talking with you. Obviously, there's more... we could talk about,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: but it was a pleasure meeting you. And, um, I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: want to thank you so much for being here.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you guys. Keep up the good work. You're
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: a holy man.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. All right. Take care.