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Patriots Unfiltered 1/16: Jerod Mayo Named Patriots Head Coach, Wild Card Weekend Recap · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium, and it's a whole new, whole new
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  Speaker 1: era about to begin. Gerardmeo officially named head coach of
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  Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. Tomorrow at noon will be the
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  Speaker 1: introductory press conference. We will have that live on Patriots
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  Speaker 10: Never been there, so.
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  Speaker 1: Nice Space.
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  Speaker 4: Might have to come up to hang with you guys.
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  Speaker 10: Come on up, you're gonna come for this one?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I have to. We're not going to be on
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  Speaker 4: the radio.
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody should be there. You know. It's you're
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  Speaker 1: welcoming in the new coach, new head coach.
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  Speaker 6: It's exciting, you know.
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  Speaker 11: I will say I went home over the weekend from
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  Speaker 11: my mom's birthday and there was just so much excitement
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  Speaker 11: back home over him being hired, and like he's all
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  Speaker 11: over the front pages of everything, all over the news.
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  Speaker 1: It's all back home being Virginia.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah. Why because he's from there. He's from like we're
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  Speaker 11: from the same place.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow yeah, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: So it's like just kind of cool to see like
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  Speaker 11: his high school coaches like talking about him in the paper.
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  Speaker 11: Actually brought a paper home with me.
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  Speaker 4: Nice. We got an ask BFW from one of his
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  Speaker 4: former teachers.
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  Speaker 10: Wow, it's really cool.
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  Speaker 4: Who says that he had Gerard in the seventh grade
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  Speaker 4: algebra one class. Yeah, at the Jones Magnet Middle School.
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  Speaker 4: It was Ampton Virginia nice his algebra, Yeah, well terribly.
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  Speaker 7: He just couldn't figure out spatial things like geometry.
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  Speaker 1: He did.
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  Speaker 4: He did say that please give Gerard the message that
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  Speaker 4: I still have a project that he submitted titled why
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  Speaker 4: will algebra help me in the future? Oh wow, which,
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  Speaker 4: of course the answer is it won't.
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  Speaker 1: So that could be one of your questions because tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: you'll sit down with him tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: Do you have that? Do you have that email tomorrow?
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  Speaker 1: I can't you first question, why will algebra help you
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  Speaker 1: in this new role?
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  Speaker 11: I like that because teachers all the time would be like,
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  Speaker 11: you're gonna need math like all the time time when
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  Speaker 11: you get when you get older, and I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 11: I just used my calculator. I'm not in my head
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  Speaker 11: doing tips. Some people are good at that. For me,
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  Speaker 11: I'm using my phone every time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well to us, he just double the tack.
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  Speaker 11: They lied to us. I mean, even like how they
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  Speaker 11: told us we're gonna have to use cursive for the
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  Speaker 11: rest of our laps. Do we really need to?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they didn't know. I don't blame it, but it's
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  Speaker 1: got to be exciting Tomorrow, big day, big big hoo ha.
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  Speaker 6: So it's got the big who ha, big.
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  Speaker 1: Who hot tomorrow it's something different.
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  Speaker 8: Oh really.
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  Speaker 6: A big to do, you know, definitely a big to do.
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  Speaker 7: But uh it sounds like he's been making some calls
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  Speaker 7: and interviewing the special teams coach from the Falcons.
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  Speaker 1: He's got to get busy.
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  Speaker 4: Oh did I miss that one? Who's that one? Uh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I caught that up.
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  Speaker 6: I forget it's uh forget.
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  Speaker 10: Marquise Williams is from the Falcons special teams coordinator and
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  Speaker 10: Tim Lubaku is currently with the Panthers outside linebackers coach.
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  Speaker 10: But uh yeah, just looking at Falcons Twitter a little
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  Speaker 10: bit yesterday before the other big Falcons Twitter news that
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  Speaker 10: we can get to you, they were upset like that
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  Speaker 10: they might lose Marquise Williams. I guess he's considered a
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  Speaker 10: pretty good special teams coach by by everybody down there
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  Speaker 10: that follows the team and high regard, held in high regard.
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  Speaker 7: Be funny if Bill went there and then we swiped
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  Speaker 7: his well, but I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking about it, so we know. You know, it's not
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  Speaker 1: a secret that the Falcons have already announced that they
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  Speaker 1: have interest in Bill.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know if they've had an interview.
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  Speaker 1: The rumors that, you know, the feeling is likewise that
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  Speaker 1: he's interested in them. So if he goes there, does
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  Speaker 1: he bring cam Accord with him? Does he bring Joe
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  Speaker 1: Judge with him? And does that? Is that special teams
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  Speaker 1: coordinator already you know, figuring out okay, what's next me?
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  Speaker 1: And so he says, well, I'll go to the Patriots.
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  Speaker 11: Do you think he would want to start fresh with
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  Speaker 11: special teams just with the way everything has gone?
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  Speaker 4: Nope, I don't know.
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  Speaker 10: I think I think he's I think you would take
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  Speaker 10: every last one of the coaches that he trusts from
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  Speaker 10: here that he could possibly just sit down there. But
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  Speaker 10: they already blocked Williams from interviewing with another team. So
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  Speaker 10: he's under contract with Atlanta at the moment, so they
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  Speaker 10: already blocked him, I guess earlier in the cycle from
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  Speaker 10: interviewing with somebody. So the Patriots put in a request
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  Speaker 10: to interview him.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't heard. Oh so you don't know.
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  Speaker 10: I haven't heard it. It's been granted or not yet.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's the thing, you know.
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  Speaker 4: The other one was New Orleans is the one that requests.
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  Speaker 1: If the thing heats up with Bill and he makes
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  Speaker 1: it clear that Yeah, I'm bringing as many of my
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  Speaker 1: staff as I can. Then maybe the Falcons will allow
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  Speaker 1: him to have the interview. It's what's going to happen
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  Speaker 1: in the next month is going to be unbelievably fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, between the Cowboys losing in that job,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps opening up the Falcons interest. Uh what's his name?
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  Speaker 1: Harball supposedly has already talked to the Chargers. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think that would be a home run for them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, So Williams was denied an interview with the Giants,
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  Speaker 10: so the Giants put in a request to interview him
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  Speaker 10: and the Falcons.
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  Speaker 4: So it'd be interesting if maybe when they met with
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  Speaker 4: Bill yesterday Atlanta and they said, you know, there is
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  Speaker 4: a guy that we think very highly of on the staff.
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  Speaker 4: If because remember when Bill came here, there were guys
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  Speaker 4: that he ended up keeping, you know, and wasn't just Dante, right,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Ivan Fears was already here. Yeah, there was
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  Speaker 4: was Brad Seely. No, there was somebody else too. There
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  Speaker 4: are a couple of guys that were already here and
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  Speaker 4: he retained them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Charlie was already here. No, oh, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no he didn't.
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  Speaker 4: He took all those guys with him from the Jets.
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  Speaker 1: Right trying to think who from uh.
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  Speaker 11: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: What's his name?
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  Speaker 8: That Cey?
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  Speaker 1: He's got a son who coaches high school here now, oh,
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  Speaker 1: begin with an s is last? No, not sweatman. You're
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  Speaker 1: getting closed though, anyhoy, Samson, I I'll think of it.
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  Speaker 4: I'll think of it Smith.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, sound chance? So building these staffs is going to
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  Speaker 1: be priority one for for Gerrod.
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  Speaker 6: And what happens to Stephen Brian.
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  Speaker 7: I mean I saw the report over the weekend that
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  Speaker 7: they were extended the opportunity to stay. But would they
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  Speaker 7: go with their dad? Or you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 7: What's the best thing for those guys right now?
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  Speaker 1: To you know, well, you know, I think the best
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  Speaker 1: thing for them, and everybody thinks the same thing is
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  Speaker 1: to get out under their dad and make their own way.
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  Speaker 1: The Patriots offering them jobs, to me, it's two things.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's admitting or recognizing that, hey, they did a
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  Speaker 1: good job. Why why wouldn't we want to keep them?
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  Speaker 1: And particular saying that because he was intimately involved with
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  Speaker 1: Steve in running the defense. So if he's willing to
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  Speaker 1: have Steve back then. You know, what we were thinking
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  Speaker 1: might be the case probably was that he's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good coach. Yeah, you know, I was like, why would
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  Speaker 1: he offer him a job if, like, because he knows
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  Speaker 1: what he did we don't.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I was listening to a t one
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  Speaker 10: of Paul's shows and they had Phil Perry on, who
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  Speaker 10: obviously it's pretty close to Gerard, and he just said
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  Speaker 10: that they're right now. He's hearing that they're weary of
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  Speaker 10: changing too much about what was going on here with Bill,
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  Speaker 10: Like they you know, they don't want they don't want
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  Speaker 10: anything too much, you know, to all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 10: we're blowing it up and it's a whole new coaching staff,
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  Speaker 10: a whole new front office, whole new head coach and
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  Speaker 10: everything like that. So I trying to keep the Belichick
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  Speaker 10: boys would be along those lines of like let's keep
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  Speaker 10: some continuity of what was going on here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, plus, you know, you know, if it's saying that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're good coaches, but also if Bill's sons are with
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  Speaker 1: New England Patriots, doesn't that kind of like take some
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  Speaker 1: of the frost off of anything that might be freezing
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  Speaker 1: over at this point like, I know that it was
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  Speaker 1: an amicable breakup and everything like that. But now if
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  Speaker 1: he gets another job coaching, you're right, you're competing with him,
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  Speaker 1: But if your sons are here, then maybe you know
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  Speaker 1: that he has a little bit more of a soft
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  Speaker 1: spot for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's what Evan is talking about. I think
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  Speaker 4: that they've been a little bit reluctant, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: whole ripping the band aid off isn't happening, And I
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  Speaker 4: think that's part of it. I think they're going out
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  Speaker 4: of their way to keep as much as they can
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  Speaker 4: the other part of it. And maybe this is a
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  Speaker 4: sort of a different viewpoint, you know. And I get
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  Speaker 4: the idea that Stephen Bryan might be better served to
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  Speaker 4: go coach somewhere, you know, without their father. But do
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  Speaker 4: you really get that if you stay with the team
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  Speaker 4: that you've already been at for ten years, Like if
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  Speaker 4: they keep coaching with the Patriots, they're just doing what
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  Speaker 4: they've been doing. No, but no, But if you're going
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  Speaker 4: to like forge your own way, then Brian should get
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  Speaker 4: a job, you know, with the Seahawks, and Steve should
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  Speaker 4: go and head up the Bears defense. That's like truly
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  Speaker 4: going out on your own.
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  Speaker 1: It is, it's more. But you know, without Bill here,
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  Speaker 1: they do have to do it their own way, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So I still think but I.
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  Speaker 4: Think it's already established in something they've done for a decade.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they have you know, they have to keep
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  Speaker 1: doing it, you know, without him, you know, helping them
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  Speaker 1: every game day, you know. So I do think it
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  Speaker 1: helps them that.
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  Speaker 4: It's better than just staying with their father. But I
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  Speaker 4: don't really see the big difference. I think that the
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  Speaker 4: from what I've been told, you know, talking to people
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  Speaker 4: around the building a little bit, you know, just the
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  Speaker 4: reluctance of they both have young families and they have
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  Speaker 4: roots here. They would like it to they would like
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  Speaker 4: to stay here.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're the craft if you're the Crafts and
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  Speaker 1: you're going over them, what went wrong? Right, if you're
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  Speaker 1: willing to keep somebody, I don't forget, forget who it is,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's Steve Belichick or Macro, you're kind of saying
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  Speaker 1: that they may not have been part of the problem, right,
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  Speaker 1: And you have to be saying that because if you
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  Speaker 1: think they were, then why would you keep them?
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  Speaker 10: So then Bill was the only problem.
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  Speaker 1: I think that might be the assumption.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's hard to not come away I know
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  Speaker 4: that that was a little flippant, but it's hard to
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  Speaker 4: not come away with that impression that they feel like
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  Speaker 4: the coach was the only problem.
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  Speaker 1: We hear stories that they're not rushing into a GM search.
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  Speaker 1: They may not even get one.
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  Speaker 4: It's had stories that they're not going to do it
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  Speaker 4: at all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so forget about rushing. If that's the case. In
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  Speaker 1: macro stays, in Elliott wolf stays, then you are saying that,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, maybe it wasn't as collaborative as it
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  Speaker 1: should have been. Maybe we need to give these guys
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  Speaker 1: a chance. We're hearing enough from them about what really
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  Speaker 1: went on that we're going to keep them. Because, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, if you're if you say your house is
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  Speaker 1: falling apart, you replace the house. So what they're saying
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  Speaker 1: is the house wasn't falling apart, it was just the
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  Speaker 1: furnace that the guy that built it.
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  Speaker 11: I'll be interested to see, like what they do on
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  Speaker 11: the offensive set of the ball, because keeping Steve and
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  Speaker 11: Brian I'm good with, because the defense was for the
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  Speaker 11: most part, they did the best they could without the injuries.
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  Speaker 11: With the injuries I mean offensively, I'll be interested to
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  Speaker 11: see who they keep. And yeah, because that was a huge, huge, I.
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  Speaker 10: Think you A silver lining of all this going on
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  Speaker 10: last couple of days, because frankly it hasn't been the
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  Speaker 10: greatest of set up so far, is that, you know,
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  Speaker 10: Lubica and Williams are outside guys, right, so he is
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  Speaker 10: showing interest girod Is and interviewing guys that are outside
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  Speaker 10: the tree. Like it's not just we're going to bring
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  Speaker 10: the band totally back together. They have a special teams
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  Speaker 10: coordinator who really has very you know, he has some
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  Speaker 10: loose connections to Gerard and the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: He does, but even because the other guy has some
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  Speaker 4: connections too, Yeah, which they're not really you know, but
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  Speaker 4: they're not outside.
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  Speaker 10: They're not out. But no one's ever gonna right in
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  Speaker 10: the NFL the outside, Yeah, like they're not. The point
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  Speaker 10: is is that these guys have been different places. They've
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  Speaker 10: worked for different types of defenses, different types of coaches.
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  Speaker 10: In Lubuca's case, I think he got close to Gerard
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  Speaker 10: from being down down the street at BC. You know,
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  Speaker 10: I think that they they connected that way when he
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  Speaker 10: was at Boston College. So I there are connections. But
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  Speaker 10: it's it's not it's not like they're just bringing Josh
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  Speaker 10: McDaniels back and bringing Matt Patricia back and like, you know,
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  Speaker 10: bringing back all these very familiar phases.
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  Speaker 4: But it sounds like, I mean, not Patricia, but it
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  Speaker 4: sounds like they're certainly open to Billy O'Brien or Josh
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  Speaker 4: McDaniels coming back. Now. I don't think either one of
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  Speaker 4: those guys will be back, but I don't think that's
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  Speaker 4: because the Patriots don't want I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think O'Brian will be back really.
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  Speaker 10: But the question is is what goes on that with
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  Speaker 10: the with the assistance, Right, Like, if you know wide
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  Speaker 10: receivers coach is different, O line coach is different, and
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  Speaker 10: so on and so forth, then at least there they are.
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  Speaker 10: I think the coaching staff, you.
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  Speaker 4: Might get one of those.
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  Speaker 10: It's gonna be some change.
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  Speaker 4: You'll have a new offensive line coach. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 4: you'll have a new wide receivers coach.
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  Speaker 10: You're really not selling it, Paul.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't I think Fred. I think Fred is right.
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  Speaker 4: I think that they've they've determined that the furnace was
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  Speaker 4: the problem, not the foundation, and I just look at
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  Speaker 4: it and say, well, how could it be so widespread
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  Speaker 4: your decline for four plus years, and it's just the
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  Speaker 4: head coach was not listening to anybody. That's why I know.
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  Speaker 7: And then, like Paul this weekend, I went back so
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  Speaker 7: many times just thinking of how easy things were a
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  Speaker 7: couple weeks ago, when you can just blame everything on Bill.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, we always talk about the draft, pick
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  Speaker 7: missus and everything, and that's what I think we always
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  Speaker 7: kind of respectfully default to that it's Bill. I'm not
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  Speaker 7: going to point it, oh, Nick Casseio pick these guys
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  Speaker 7: in Matt.
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  Speaker 4: Grow but and I do think Bill had say but as.
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  Speaker 7: We've discussed, there's there's a line there. You know, certainly
• 16:03
  Speaker 7: those guys have a part in it. And now it's
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: they're going to give these guys, I guess, an opportunity.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: But there's nowhere to hide behind Bill.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Nowhere to hide And and if let's just say twenty
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: twenty four is not a good season, it's going to
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: be on Gira to make change. Yeah, you know, he's
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: gonna whether you call it scapegoating or not, if if
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: the offense stinks, he's going to have to make changes
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: to the offense, and you know.
• 16:25
  Speaker 7: That's the thing, like they got to they got to
• 16:27
  Speaker 7: like you know, I just like you can get rid
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: of Bill and say Bill was the problem, but the
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: offense is a problem, and the offense needs to be fixed.
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: And you know, whether whoever's pulling the trigger on these decisions,
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: it has to happen.
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: But I just I found that so much of what
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: came out over the last.
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: Few days was just so all over the place where
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: and Paul talks about it all the time, where we
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: give them, we bave them the blame for the picks
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: that we don't like, and we don't give them any
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: credit for the ones we do. And you know, there
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: was a lot of that, like retroactive. Well, you know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: he felt like they should take a quarterback there, but
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: he didn't really want Mac but then he felt like
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: he owed it to them, and you know, but then
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: we never get into like, well, who picked Cole Strange?
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: Like is that a Bill thing too? Who's getting blamed
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: for that one? Who's getting blamed for Taykwon Thornton? Is
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: that already?
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: It used to be the opposite.
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: Doesn't seem like a Bill guy to me, doesn't seem like.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Fred will tell you when we went through the first
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: part of the Dynasty, you know, with the three out
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: of four, it was the opposite. It was like, you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: you see Bill, he comes up with Dan Copan and
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: Santi Samuel and Eugene Wilson and all these you know
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: sort of you know, mid round picks that turn out
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: to be really really good players. And then it was like,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: you know, like Scott Pio, we wanted you know, so
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: and so or Nick Casseio. You know, he sold him
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: a bit bag of goods on Tavon Wilson or something,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: and now it's completely opposite.
• 17:43
  Speaker 10: Look like is doing a pretty good job in Houston,
• 17:46
  Speaker 10: Like do you.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: Think do you think that like Bill Belich? I mean,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I know that Bill has final say
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: and I've always said that, But does does Taekwon Thornton
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: really strike you as like this is a guy that
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Bill Belichick felt like he had to have. Now Nikhil
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Harry does Nikhil Harry to me, does sort of fit
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: the profile of what Bill. If I'm going to take
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: a wide receiver, it's going to be a guy who
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: plays on four downs blocks, you know, his physical does all,
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: you know, not just a diva, you know, yea forbid.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: But Taekwon Thornton does not to me strike the profile.
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: Bill does seem like a Bill one right, Like you
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: kind of go back and forth between picks of you
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: know what.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: This kind of undersized guy. I don't know we're trying
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: to I don't know if he strikes me as a
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Bill line.
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: I think it's just generally taken an offensive line in
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: their fields.
• 18:32
  Speaker 11: Oh yeah, that's I feel like back to the coaching
• 18:36
  Speaker 11: staff situation. I feel like I don't care how good
• 18:39
  Speaker 11: befriend you are with Tory Brown, like they have not
• 18:41
  Speaker 11: been able to develop a wide receiver. Obviously, Jacoby Meyers
• 18:44
  Speaker 11: like outlier. I don't want to include him in this
• 18:47
  Speaker 11: because you know he's made away for himself. But I
• 18:50
  Speaker 11: feel like overall, like Taekwon Thornton should have been way
• 18:53
  Speaker 11: better right now, even with the injuries. Even Nikhil Harry, like,
• 18:56
  Speaker 11: you know, he could have been a bust even with
• 18:57
  Speaker 11: good coaching or not. But it's just like I feel
• 18:59
  Speaker 11: like they need a wide receiver coach that can actually
• 19:02
  Speaker 11: develop these guys.
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: I just think you need to let the offensive coordinator
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: pick his staff, come with the staff that he's familiar
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: with and that he wants to work at.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: The thing about Troy is that his football IQ was
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: so high, but it came naturally to him, you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: and what comes naturally to him doesn't necessarily come naturally
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to these other kids, and it might be for him
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: hard to teach what he just knows as secondhand, you know.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And like Ted, I always bring up the example Ted
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Williams tried to be a hitting coach for the Red
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Sox and failed miserably because he just couldn't figure you
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: couldn't understand why these kids would didn't get it. It's
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: because you're a natural talent, you know, like you're you know,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and I think Troy Brown's the same way.
• 19:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah, And just all the issues with the route running
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: this year, I'm just is it all because they were
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: having trouble understanding the offense?
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: Or was it because but pop out a good year, right,
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, I agree with what you're saying,
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: but like, you know, well, but.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: A good year.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: But I mean the problems with that, Yeah, I.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Think he lost He didn't have as much time on
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the field early because he wasn't running routes the right way.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, no, but the fumble cost him playing time.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: But I do think that he struggled with his route
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: running at times and that was part of it. But
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I look at it, I'm kind of torn with Troy,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: and maybe it's because I like him so much and
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. But I
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: don't think that the guys that they have, you know,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Nikhil Harriet, it's not like he left here and was
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: like lights out somewhere else. And I don't think they
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: have a lot of really good players at that position.
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: That's why I look at the receiver coach position is
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: also a position of somebody that could bring an eye
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: for the talent as well, like if you're just fair
• 20:42
  Speaker 10: point one of those guys like you know, for example,
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: in Minnesota, Keenan McCardell is somebody they interviewed for the
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: offensive coordinator job, which I think was really kind of
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: a wide receivers coach interview, to be honest with you.
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: But Keenan McCardell, like, there's got they turn out wide
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: receivers like it's going out of style in Minnesota.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Well that's that's the good. That's a good point, because
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you know you need five or six deep in wide receivers.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Not every one of them can be studs in the
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: first or second round. You need to develop guys from
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the fifth to sixth round two.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: So that would be an example of a guy. By
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: the way back to our other topic. You know, if
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: they brought a guy like McCardell in, like, yeah, you'd
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: have some connections to him because Bill coached him, But
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: he's really an out that's an outsider to me. Yeah,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: that's someone outside the organization. I would just love his
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: connection was Bill, not the Patriots.
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: I think that Troy Brown is a is a really
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: good like conceptual coach, and like he understands the playbook.
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: He understands the plays, the schemes, what they're trying to do.
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: But they need somebody that is like a wide receiver guru,
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: like someone that understands and it has an eye for talent,
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: someone that can coach release packages and top of the
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: route and all that different type of stuff. I think
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: Troy is probably pretty good on the whiteboard, but like
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: when you actually get him out there to really develop
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: these guys, I don't think many of these guys have
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: gotten better at like the details of route running. Like
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: I don't think that we watch Pob Douglas from the
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: beginning of the year to now and be like, oh wow,
• 22:10
  Speaker 10: like he's so much more sudden through his break or
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: he's you know, he's cut down on wasted staff. I
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: think Pop Douglas was just is just good. Like I
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: think that he's just good at those types of things,
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: and I don't think it's necessarily developed. And say with Jacoby,
• 22:22
  Speaker 10: I think Jacoby's just a naturally good route runner. I
• 22:25
  Speaker 10: don't think that they made him that much better from
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: start to finish. I think he was always just a
• 22:29
  Speaker 10: pretty good, heady route runner. And I just look at
• 22:32
  Speaker 10: those things as reasons. You know, with Troy that, I'm
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: just like, I'm sure that Troy Brown's a super smart
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: football guy like he was as a player, but he
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: is he someone that can really coach the position and
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: has an eye for talent.
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: You don't know, you know, I just think you're getting
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: a new offense, you need somebody who speaks the language
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: of the offensive coordinator and these like, you know, days
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: of just trying to continue to hold over coaches from
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: system to system to system that you know, it's all
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: getting lost in the wash. It seems like but I
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: would be fine with with a clean offensive break just
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: generally and get on a new track.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: You know, going back to like the staff and you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: was it all just Bill or you know, was it
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: several things? And you know who was Bill listening to?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: As you know, in the later years, I heard something
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: interesting I want to Paul shows about, you know, as
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the brain drain got you know more, you know, took
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: more and more of an effect on the staff, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the staff got younger, and you know, Bill actually started
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: listening less, believe it or not, because you know, people
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: just didn't have the experience that he had. And so
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's true or not, but
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I could understand that being the case. You know, if
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the guys you trust are leaving and you know, you're
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: left with people that you haven't worked with as long
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a time and you you don't trust them, that not
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know I'm talking about their judgment. You know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: you just don't know them as well.
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: I just look at the especially on Offense, and I
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: know they lose Adrian Clem for the health thing, and
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: they lose Ross Douglas towards the end to go to Syracuse.
• 24:04
  Speaker 10: But the size of the staff, Like they just don't
• 24:07
  Speaker 10: have that many coaches compared to other teams, but also
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: compared to what they used to have. You know, you
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: talk about like the staffs that won Super Bowls. I
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: always go back to the twenty fourteen staff because I
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: think that might be one of the best staffs in
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: the modern era of football. And you got guys that
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: are like head coaches now that were like low level
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: offensive assistants on that staff. You know, Matt Patricia is
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: like a defensive assistant, like what is that, you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 10: quality control coach, you know, Brian Dables coaching tight ends
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: on that staff, you know, and all these guys just
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: end up going on to great things, and they were,
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: you know, some of these guys were just low level
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: assistants in twenty fourteen, and now they don't even they
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: don't have that layer of depth on the coaching staff
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: at all. So I do hope that Girod you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: has more coaches.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Did you know Maddy p had one of the greatest
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: calls in the history of the Super Bowl in that
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: game as the d C come on, got to give them,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: got to give them the shops? Yeap, just ask Yeah,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: that was one of the greatest quotes ever. How someone
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: could actually say that out loud.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: Like, well, actually you can't.
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: Well, actually the media like when they're coming.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: For you, like, actually I do, I do have one
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: of the greatest calls. Well the super Bowl.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: You're so smart.
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: Let me tell you about something I did.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So there's a lot to digest, a
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: lot to talk about, a lot to see in the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: next few weeks once we.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Got the weekend. If anybody wants to talk about the playoffs.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Playoffs, yeah, I mean I think I got screwed. Did
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I pick the Steelers?
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: No, you did very well.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Did I pick the Steelers? No, I thought I to
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: cover or something like that. You may have picked because
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I picked that game and the assumption they were going
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to play in snow was just going to be running.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So I think I get a little bit screwed.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: You did pick Pittsburgh to come Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I got screwed in that game.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was kind of unfortunate. That just not great.
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: Not a lot of great games.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Crew they fumbled and said it wasn't a fumbling.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: The Detroit rancrew it was the only good game.
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: First half games like a different sport.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I Dallas losing and oh, by the way,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Zolac stole my line. I always have a line when
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I'm watching the Cowboys and they start to lose, I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: go show Jerry, Show Jerry, Show Jerry. And he took
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that line and he put it on Twitter. He said,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: show Jerry, Show Jerry. Because I told him I did that,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: he stole it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, so now we get it, like you actually
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: told him.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I told him on the bus that I do that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: What was a bigger surprise to you?
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: He probably did steal it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Dallas or Ery Dallas, Oh, Dallas Eagles.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: A lot of people could Yeah.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: He did like that bad.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well not that picked Tampa. Someone else to pick
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Tampa out right, But Fred had a Fred.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: Fred Yeah, Fred had had a weak Yeah.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: No, I Eagles are a mess.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: I think the Eagles. You could see that coming. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: picked him, But it was a blind faith kind of
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: at some point, like you could see it coming. It's
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: gonna be a great thirty for thirty on their twenty
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: twenty three Eagles.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: I just I still in.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Ten years like that. There's something there that there's something
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: happened there that we don't know about.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, I asked Devan this morning and he pointed
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: to you know, the coordinators. I mean, that's as good
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: as I've heard. Like, what what else?
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: I mean, this is an all star team that everybody
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: was both coordinators.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: No, I know that, but they were still ten and one,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: and I know they weren't playing great, but they were
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: still ten and one. Did you see talent wins out?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Did you see the look on Jeffrey Lurry at the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: end of that game in the in the suite, He
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: had the look of an owner about to fire as coach.
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: Oh?
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I'm surprised, Sirianni was on the plane
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: in the back to Kelly.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you heard this one before. This
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: might be I think they all stole it from me, Fred,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: But do you think that maybe Bill was, you know,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: maybe thinking about Dallas at some point Sunday afternoon when
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the Packers were killing him.
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: I didn't see that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Well, I didn't see anybody tweet about that. I didn't
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: see I didn't see it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I texted Zolac while he was on the show yesterday
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and I said, you think there's any chance that Bill
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: put in a call to the Packers And how to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: mix up coverages for Dallas, knowing that if Alice loses
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: that job, at least.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: You bring something a little bit different to the table.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Fight.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Literally four thousand people tweeted the exact same thing, and
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: then yesterday when he interviews with Atlanta, the same four
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: thousand people had to tweet question, what would you have
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: you ever had any experience coming from a big deficit?
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: Boy? I saw I saw that joke made at least
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: twice by.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I tell you, guys, got to fix
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: my Twitter.
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: You guys got to fix my It was very copy paste. Yeah,
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: very copy paste.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: Where do you think Bill wants to go?
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, does he?
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: What do you think he would want to go to Dallas?
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just you know, spitballing. But would that
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: be super appealing to him?
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: You would make more money in Dallas?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think way more much?
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: Well does he more money though?
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Jerry Jones doesn't pay?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Because if you're the coach that can finally bring Dallas
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: back to winning a Super Bowl, that means more than that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: That's the angle I'm looking for.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Just what I think he might look at Atlanta, because
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: I think he looks at Dallas is not a challenge
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: because it's already a good team. I look at Atlanta
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: like they've never won anything there, you know, and I
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: think they're very good. I think it's very similar to Tampa.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: I think there's some pieces in place.
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: But he's not the quarterback. Yeah, that's true, you know,
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: Like I think that it's easy to look at Atlanta
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: and say they're just a quarterback away. Well, he was
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: just a quarterback away here. They No, he was not
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: a quarterback twenty one. They had a good roster, like,
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: they would have been a much better team. I think
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: if they had somebody that was not just a passenger
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: in that quarterback spot.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Well, if they had an elite quarterback, they couldn't like.
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: Like Tampa, Tampa loses Tom Brady last year and they
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: come back this year in the divisional rounds. They're better
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: than they were with Brady last year. They had an
• 29:46
  Speaker 10: actual plan that they went out and executed and got
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: a quarterback.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: He's played well. Let Baker bake.
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: Yes, Oh god.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I was happy for him. Yes, your guy, I was happy.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: I was happy for you a guy last night.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: He's back there.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: He's like running around, he's got that bad ankle. He's
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: running around doing that.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: He's got like first, he's got like a sofa.
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: Cushion on his Do you believe that the notion that
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: they're saying that, you know, Baker Mayfield is everything we
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: wanted Johnny Manzel to be.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, Johnny Manziel is an elite athlete. Baker
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Mayfield is a slug. Manziel would have been running. I'm serious,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: He's not an athlete at all.
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: I saw that tweet like Baker Mayfield is everything we
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: wanted Johnny Manzel to be.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, wow, No, I don't think they're
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: even comparable as player. Now listen, Obviously, Johnny Manzel was
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: a mess off the field, and I don't think Baker
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Mayfield's ever had anything bad in his off field. No, seriously,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: but like, I mean, I don't think I've never heard
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: anything bad about Baker Mayfield. Johnny Manziel was a train
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: wreck off the field, but in terms of playing like styles,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: they're not even close.
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: I also just like whatever Johnny Manzel like, people have
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: overreached Johnny Manzel.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: But Johnny Manziel, I mean, now you know why he
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: was overrated because people saw the talent, but now you
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: know that he was.
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: I never saw I never thought he was all that talented. Okay,
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: I mean he ran around well in college, but like.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: That, he ran around by you know, him and Mike
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Evans basically beat Alabama by themselves.
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: No, I mean like it helps to have Mike Evans
• 31:19
  Speaker 10: who turns out to be a Hall of Fame wide
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: receiver ten straight.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: What about the ten Hall of famers Alabama had on defense?
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: I just think that if you watch, like I think
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: Mike Evans was really good. He was really good the
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: one that was pulling the cart there and Joe.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I know, you got to
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: give props to Manzel.
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: No, I don't.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I think if you just listen, there's nobody at this
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: table that appreciates stubbornness more than refused to acknowledge it.
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: You know, you run around like this and throw fifty
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: to fifty ball to Mike Evans and he mosses a
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: guy like, great throw.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: But you run run around for twenty minutes avoiding seven
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: sacks and then doing it. It's a little different.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: It was incredibly talented. He really incredibly talented.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, eight five five past five hundred. Is
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the a stick and hotline web radio at pages dot com.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Is the email addressed any other news we need to
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: take care of. I mean, there's all.
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: Kind of just so many bullets flying, and they just
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: figured like you just have to wait a few days
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: and let everything kind of settle to see where it lands.
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: Because the sides are sniping at each other.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: I'm just worried that it's settled. Yeah, that's my fear. Yeah,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: you know, we're gonna let it all settle.
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: Well, I think this is the point.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: But if that's, you know, like it, like we said
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: at the outset, if it's gonna be pretty much status
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: quo except for the head coach, then they're saying that
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: we think the head coach was the problem.
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean I'm still holding our hope for the offense.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: I think that's you know, it still seems like things
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: are on the table. I get maybe the ship has
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: sailed with you know, upper management at least through the draft.
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: It is what it is, But I'm at least hopeful
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: that that, you know, there's gonna be some kind of
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: injection on the offense too. There has to be, you
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: know that that that can be coaches and players.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't well, it doesn't have to be play,
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: But I think I think you're gonna get Yeah, I
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: think you're gonna get it because different Listen, if Bill
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: gets a job, I'd almost certainly expect Josh to go
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: with him. And I don't think Billy O'Brien wants any
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: part of being back on that train wreck. So I
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: think you're gonna get what you want. But I think
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Billy Oh was as welcome back. I think they would
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: welcome him back. I don't think Billy Oh wants to
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: be back, and that says a lot, because I think
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: it meant a lot to him to return home to work.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I will be amazed, though, if Bill goes to Atlanta
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and he brings cam Acord with him and and they're fine.
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: But I think I think he will't you think he'll
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: just take no.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: I just think, well, I think he takes both.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, Maddy p will be running the defense too.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: He's gonna take what's familiar to like that. And that's
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: why I'm surprised about Stephen Bryan, you know, I mean
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: I think they you know, you kind of with him
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: to you get kind of the reports of like a
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: little bit of the divided locker room this year, right
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: between Girard and and Bill. And what side do you
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: think Steve was in that? I mean, he's intimately working
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: with Girard.
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: Bill's his dad, you know.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: I mean this part of me just wondering if this like, oh,
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: they offered them to keep their jobs, if that's just so,
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: I think it's just a bluff, Like it's a bluff
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: because we know they're not going to because they're their
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: team Bill.
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: They're going to go with their dad, and.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: You know, and and and I mean and to Paul's point,
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, in some ways I know that they're still
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: with Bill. But for you know, Steve was gonna be
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: the defensive coordinator in Atlanta. He's going to go in
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: and take the defense over. And I mean I think
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: that's a step for him.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: But I think, like I'll say this to Bill Belichick
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and his sons, I think it's a bad move to
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: like bring your son in and make him DC. It's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: just not good for your son.
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, what's what's better than him or and Matt Patricia?
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: You know, like there's like I think somebody else I know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: but that's what's so hard for it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I think, like Falcons or whatever he goes.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: But everything you've seen from.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: Him over the last five ten years is he's gonna
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: stick with guys he knows.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's going to take a staff.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Trust and loyalty is a big part of his psyche.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I get it. But you know, if you if you
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: really want what's best for your sons, they need to
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: go out and make their own way.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, and that's I mean, I said it before.
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: Young kids, young families, they don't want to move. But
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, probably the best case for them is to
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: go to a totally new team where they're you know,
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: hired on and do a different role and they can
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: you know, just kind of work their way up the
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: traditional way that way.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: But but I I think if Gerard Mayo keeps Steve
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Belichick and name some defensive coordinatory, he's telling the world
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: this kid's good. I worked with him side by side.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I know what he does, to the point where it's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: my reputation. I'm the head coach. Now if our defense stinks,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be on me. But I trust him enough
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to run it. But haven't you think that's a huge statement.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Haven't you heard all these stories about how friendly they are. Yeah,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Like I think you could just as easily combat that
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: with well, you know, he went with his buddy. No,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: he went with what he did exactly what coach.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Now now it's now, this is all on me, and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I have to make sure I do what's best for
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: me and if he if he has.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: You could make an argument what's best for Girard is
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: to stick with his friend. You could make that argument.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Not if he's not a good coach.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Well, no one's saying he's not a good coach. I
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: don't think anybody says no.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: And what I'm saying that Gerard's saying he is a
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: good coach if he keeps.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Him, Yeah, I think. But I don't think anybody thinks
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: he's a bad coach.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Some people don't know. Some people have no idea like
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: who was good or who was bad in that Real.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: People feel like the defense has been okay, yes, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: he's been part of that. But why, I don't think people.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Because of Bill Grod or Steve Well.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think people think it's just because of one
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: of them. I mean, but a lot of people bigger
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: like I don't I don't think it's as anywhere near
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: as big as you're making.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think it is. If Gerard names him defensive coordinator,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that's an absolute testimonial to.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: The job for their friendship.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Did No, it's got to be his ability, to his ability,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: because you know if if if he's not a good coach,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: he's going to be hot firing his friend.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: I didn't say he's not a good coach. I don't
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: know how many times I can say that. I don't
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: think he's a bad coach. Okay, but I don't think
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: it's just glowing testimonial to stick with what you know.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's but it's it's I don't think
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: it speaks as many volumes as you.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, if what you know is really good,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you stick with it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: I know he knows what he's doing, and he's my friend.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: You stick with it because I know what I know.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know about the Luba Lubacu Lubica, Luba co Lubica.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know him as intimately as I do Steve.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: He might be a better coach, but I don't know him.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: People like him, Yeah, do you understand what?
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: Like?
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Do you know what My point is, like, if I
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: have my choice, I think you you've been making a
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: comment for the last two months about how easy it
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: would be to just stick with everything right. The easy
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: thing to do would have been just I know Steve,
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: just run it back. I think it's the same thing here.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: I know Steve, I know I work well with him,
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: I know he's good. I'm just going to stick with it.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna This is my problem with the whole
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: process is I think that they cut off potential information,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: They cut off chance to learn more from the outside,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: even though it was already set up. It was contractually
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: set up with Girod and I have no problem with
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Gerard being the head coach. I think by not talking
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: to anybody, you cost yourself an opportunity to gather information.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: And I think it's the same thing here.
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: Like it would have been nice to sit down with
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: a Bobby Slowick and say, how do you like, what
• 38:22
  Speaker 10: are your offensive philosophies? You know what, what do you
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: how do you look at building offense and scheme and
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: all that kind of stuff, and then go and compare
• 38:30
  Speaker 10: it to to the guys that they've had here. Billy
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: O'Brien Josh McDaniels. You know those types of guys, And
• 38:36
  Speaker 10: I'm telling you, I think a lot of the things
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: would be very different fact.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: But you know it's funny though, because let's say, I'm
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: not disagreeing with you, but who's the person here that's
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: sitting down and asking those questions of Bobby Slowick.
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: That's my biggest concern right now.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Well, I would I would like it, you know, to
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: be all of them.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Who's who's them?
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Robert Jonathan, Matt grow Elliott Will.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you're making really Matt Grove a GM.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: In this case, but that I didn't do that. They
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: did because he's in charge, they said, they said they're
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: staying here. Yeah, well can.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I He's not in charge of hiring coaches, can I?
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Can I just do this?
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: He's in charge of getting tough, fast people.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I'm not interested in who's hiring the coach as much
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: as I am finding out information as to why my
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: offense is in the prehistoric gas and I want to
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: know who. I think I think they cost themselves an
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: opportunity to find out maybe why I heard Boomer this morning, right,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Boomer size and not Boomer Berman. Boomer sires and talking
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: about there are really six offenses in football that are
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: worth anything. Did you hear this?
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: No?
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: But San Francisco, Houston was one, you know, Miami, and
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: you know, it's all of the Rams, it's all of
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: the McVeigh Shanahan.
• 39:49
  Speaker 10: It's the Washington coach, Washington coaching staff.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: You know. Let's find out why we couldn't. We tried
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: to implement this two years ago. Let's find out why
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: we failed. Right, That's all I'm saying.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: But you really want Robert Kraft asking those questions.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: I want everybody asking the questions if they're all going
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: to be involved, Fred, I want everybody who's going to
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: be involved to be asking the questions.
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: This is why my my footballs are needs to happen.
• 40:14
  Speaker 10: Like you need to have a football guy in the
• 40:18
  Speaker 10: room that is beyond just the head coach and the
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: personnel people because they're too close to it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: And I want one very small minor thing that backs
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: up what Evan's talking about that I wanted. The Patriots
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: have never had a general manager.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Dear mister Kraft, I have someone on my staff named
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Evan Lazar who is volunteering to be bizarre ry.
• 40:37
  Speaker 10: First of them.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Can I be honest with you. As much as I
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: love to make in the room, I would rather have
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: Evan Lazara in that role.
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: Nothing. Okay, I appreciate that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 10: That's the nicest thing.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Just compared the top the top three you want over nothing?
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: I mean, that's amazing.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: But did you see this stuff over the weekend? The
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Patriots have never had a general man? Like, that's not true?
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Are we just under Belichick?
• 41:04
  Speaker 12: Oh?
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Are we going to be children about this and say,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: because we've never had someone who has Scott Pioli comma
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: general manager but instead it was director of player personnel
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: or whatever the title happened to be for each individual
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: guy that we've never had a guy. Bill Belichick has
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: been the general manager at least since O four. Is
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: that what Robert said the other day? After the third title? Right,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Bill Belichick has been the general manager. Let's not be
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: children about this because they've never had a guy with
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: the title general manager. He was, That's all, of course
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: he was. We didn't need to go on with.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: That, all right, eight five to five pasts five hundred.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Let's open it up to the listeners tomorrow noon introductory
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: press conference with girod Mayo. We'll have it live on
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Patriots dot com until now, let's hear what you have
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to say until then. I mean, Sean's at Vancouver. What's up, Sean?
• 41:56
  Speaker 13: Hello? Everyone. If Megan is listening to she's going to
• 41:59
  Speaker 13: roll her eyes. But I still have my Gerard Mayo
• 42:02
  Speaker 13: jersey from two thousand and eight. I kept it all
• 42:04
  Speaker 13: these years and I don't think I'm getting rid of it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 13: But you know, even though I'm a huge fan, I'm
• 42:11
  Speaker 13: with Evan. I really think they need a GM who's
• 42:15
  Speaker 13: not the head coach. I think they need someone separate
• 42:18
  Speaker 13: to do that job. And I was kind of hoping
• 42:20
  Speaker 13: they'd hire a GM before they announced the head coach's
• 42:24
  Speaker 13: that was my desire.
• 42:25
  Speaker 14: But I don't know.
• 42:26
  Speaker 13: Now I'm worried they won't even do that.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't.
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: I'm not like it's caught up on the order ofs
• 42:32
  Speaker 10: and some other people. But I just this organization has
• 42:38
  Speaker 10: honestly been been blessed, where so many great football players,
• 42:42
  Speaker 10: football minds that have walked through the door that some
• 42:46
  Speaker 10: of these people have to be interested in coming back
• 42:49
  Speaker 10: to bring an experienced football mind to the equation, whether
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: that's a former player like Gerard or it's bringing back
• 42:59
  Speaker 10: a guy like poor Demittrop. And I'm not necessarily saying
• 43:02
  Speaker 10: to make those guys a general manager, but can we
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: get like a consultant in the building too, like Dante whoever,
• 43:09
  Speaker 10: I'm not saying, like make that an official title.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't have to be GM, but a consultant.
• 43:15
  Speaker 10: Right like somebody that is a football person. I don't
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: want business people making football decisions. That's how you get
• 43:22
  Speaker 10: into trouble in any sport. And if they continue down
• 43:25
  Speaker 10: that path, then they're gonna they're not gonna go down
• 43:28
  Speaker 10: a good route because it's gonna be all the you
• 43:30
  Speaker 10: know in the business world, familiarity and all this kind
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: of you know the people, you know, nepotism, all that stuff.
• 43:36
  Speaker 10: That's that's what jives in the business world. In football,
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: you got to hire the best guy that's for the job.
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: And I think right now that you know, there's so
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: many guys that at least yeah they have like you know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 10: the name Zach Robinson's been thrown around a lot.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I'm intrigued.
• 43:51
  Speaker 10: Quarterbacks coach and pass game coordinator right now for the Rams.
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: Obviously drafted by the Patriots, but he's coached under Sean
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: McVay for the past like four or five years, so
• 44:01
  Speaker 10: he will would bring the McVeigh system here while still
• 44:05
  Speaker 10: having some roots and familiarity with how things are run
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: in New England. Like those types of people need to
• 44:11
  Speaker 10: have they need to be considered. And if you're just
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: gonna consider Josh McDaniels or Bill O'Brien, then how do
• 44:16
  Speaker 10: you expect anything to be fit?
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: And to your point, Freddie, like you said, like who's
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: going to be listening, Well, that's the kind of guy
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I want listening to that stuff.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Oh it's fair, Patty and idam, what's up Patty?
• 44:29
  Speaker 15: Okay?
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: Hey hey can you hear me?
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: Okay?
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, unfortunately, sorry, Paul, what's up, Patty?
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah? He's opening his forkar you know.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: I love you, bro.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Paul's food here.
• 44:46
  Speaker 14: I'm excited by the move. Definitely sounded choosing Mayo over Brabel.
• 44:51
  Speaker 14: Probably not that they chose him, it was written into
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: his contract, but to me, it's stills more of like
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: them going towards the more new age approach. And I
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: just want to caution other fans too, because I've already
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: seen a lot of negativity out there about the hire
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: that you know, the offense. There's a lot of glaring
• 45:11
  Speaker 14: holes if you look at like across the board, we
• 45:13
  Speaker 14: have zero tight ends roster next year.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: We know the offense has trouble, but yeah, yeah, we
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: don't need to go down the list. We know the offense.
• 45:23
  Speaker 14: Yeah, might take a couple of years before it looks good.
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: But I just wanted to ask you, guys, if you're
• 45:32
  Speaker 14: making the pick at number three, what direction do you go?
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: Do you take the quarterback? Do you take a tackle?
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: Do you trade down and get more assets? Me personally,
• 45:42
  Speaker 14: the guy that I would like to see them take
• 45:44
  Speaker 14: his seat and Daniels and I'll take it off the.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Aar Okay, Yeah, well, let's say that Caleb Williams is gone,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: but you will be. Let's say Drake may Is we
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: did cry, you know, but you probably will. Do you
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: take a quarterback with the third pack?
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: But my fear right now with Jayden Dandaniels is that
• 46:00
  Speaker 10: we're coping. We're coping at the fact that we can't
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: get the top two right.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: So it's like, this is the guy that's left, he's
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: right right, Yes, that's where I am.
• 46:09
  Speaker 10: And I don't I don't want to take That's how
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: you end up with Zach Wilson is when you just
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: take the guy that's left right or Mac Jones is
• 46:16
  Speaker 10: probably even better example. And I think James Daniels is
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: super talented. There's a lot to really love about his
• 46:22
  Speaker 10: overall game, but as a passer, he needs refinement and
• 46:26
  Speaker 10: he needs work, and I would not throw him into
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: this mess. Like if you're going to tell me that
• 46:31
  Speaker 10: they have all new tackles and all new receivers and
• 46:33
  Speaker 10: a new coordinator and all this, then maybe it's a
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: different conversation. But with the information we have right now,
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: I don't think that that's the type of guy that
• 46:40
  Speaker 10: you throw into a system like this.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: I like what Evan said.
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: I just I mean, I've found myself these last few
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: days looking at the draft now through the lens of
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: a Jerrodmeo, Mac grow Ish, you know, Elliott Wolf type,
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: and it's it's hard for me to sell the tackle
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: pick now. Like I think if Bill were still here,
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: I could feel like I can sell the tackle pick.
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: I just don't know. With a new coach with a
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: new regime looking to put their stamp on it, I
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: almost lean back towards Chitten Daniels or even Marvin Harrison.
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, and last week I would have said, I
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: I'm out on that. I don't think it's a good plan,
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: but I think it could. It could make sense for
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: this carew If.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: You're an owner and you just fired your longtime coach
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and you hired a guy who's never been the head
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: coach before you got all these problems with the offense,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: do you say to him in order so that he's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: not making knee jerk decisions, You've got three years, You've
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: got three years to get us back to be a
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: playoff contender. Or do you say, I want results right now,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and you know, put the pressure on him and now
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: he's making decisions in the short term. What do you
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: say to him?
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think he has to know he has
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: some time. But look, we all know that this this
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: business can change in the drop of a hat, and
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: teams can turn things around. But I just think it's
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: going to take huge cajones to not pick a quarterback.
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: That's what would you what would you for a new
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: regime for three years?
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Two? You got to you got two to make progress.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: You don't have to like get me super Bowl caliber
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: in two years, but you have to make progress in
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: every round and you know second and it's hard.
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: To say, well, hey we're going into your three this.
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: You know Joe Alt, He's he's been great.
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: Our offense is still.
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: Kind of mired because we don't have a quarterback, but
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: there's nobody screaming off the left edge unblocked anymore.
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: It's hard to sell it.
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: It's hard to sell it or Arson.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: I'm with Evan on on Daniels, like I am talking
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: myself into it, and I wonder if I'm doing too
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: much talking myself into it and he's not really worth it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 10: But that because it isn't the fear that, because of
• 48:42
  Speaker 10: all the reasons why you just laid out, you reach
• 48:44
  Speaker 10: on the quarterback because it's the pick that makes the
• 48:46
  Speaker 10: most sense. And if that's what you're gonna do, then
• 48:50
  Speaker 10: you could get yourself into trouble. Whereas if you do
• 48:52
  Speaker 10: give Fred's three years. The methodical approach is what the
• 48:56
  Speaker 10: Lions have done. It's what really the Texans have done
• 48:59
  Speaker 10: when you really think about it. I mean they didn't
• 49:01
  Speaker 10: get the quarterback until this past off season, and Casario
• 49:03
  Speaker 10: has been there for a couple of years already. Like,
• 49:05
  Speaker 10: if you just expect to fix all of it in
• 49:08
  Speaker 10: one off season. I think that you're you're in trouble.
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: I just I threw the scenario at Evan and I
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: was like, look, don't judge me, and like, people don't
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: call in. I'm not telling you that this is what
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: I want to have happened, right, don't.
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: At me with this.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: But I'm just putting this scenario out there into the
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: ether because I've recently kind of made the case of Chicago.
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: Keep Justin fields, build around him. You've got one more
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: year of him. If it doesn't work out, you.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Replaced so that a quarterback could drop to us.
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: So now we're talking, drink.
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: May you bring back Josh, You put Mac back in there,
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: you give him Marvin Harrison, you draft him a tackle
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: at the top of the second round, and then you
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: see what happens.
• 49:44
  Speaker 10: I pointed the door to the door.
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: When he's yeah, that's what I want to do.
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: Come at me when you started to talk. When you
• 49:52
  Speaker 11: started to talk, I was like, okay, you mean quarterback's
• 49:55
  Speaker 11: gonna fall in our lap. But similar to Mike's like theory,
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: my theory was, okay, maybe they'll decide like last minute, Okay,
• 50:02
  Speaker 11: we don't want to keep fields we're gonna trade him,
• 50:04
  Speaker 11: or you know, Arizona, maybe they don't want Murray and
• 50:06
  Speaker 11: you'll they'll trade him. So what if you got one
• 50:08
  Speaker 11: of those guys, but then you were able to get
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: I'm curious, what.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Were you gonna do at three if the if the
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Bears marble barn the fields. Yeah, that's what you said,
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: right that. Your whole thing is predicated on the Bears.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: We're gonna lead on the field.
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: Ye hold on the fields and do the same thing
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: like draft Marvin Harrison for him, get him a tackle,
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean?
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: Just hold around the story.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: What are we doing with Mac Jones.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: We're gonna build around him.
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: We're gonna find Marvin Harrison and the Bears.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always a scenario.
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: I know, but you're time.
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: I mean, I would, I would. That was my joke.
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: So I watched, So I did a lot of wide
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: receivers I did, I know, I did. I watched a
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: bunch of the wide receivers and I made the.
• 50:49
  Speaker 8: Joke and everyone.
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you've heard this kid from LSU, but.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: NA interesting that you say that though, because there's so
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: much talk about Harrison. You got to take Marvin Harrison
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: far and away the best player. He's the generational generator.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: I heard Boomer size and say today you like to
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: say better. Yeah, I don't know about it. D I'm
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: not telling you. I'm not. I'm not a talent evaluate
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: or expert. I don't pretend to be. But all right,
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: so I'll pretend like when Andrew luck was coming out,
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: there weren't a lot of people saying that, you know,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: Fred kirsh was actually better than Andrew Lucky. He was
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: when you're a transcendent, you know, player, right at that level,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: there is really no disagreement, right, And I just was
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I think they're just you know, maybe it's just one
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: voice in the in the wilderness, and Boomer a dude
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: say it's.
• 51:36
  Speaker 10: Saying a dude's ay. I think that's a little recency
• 51:39
  Speaker 10: biased from the college football playoff because those guys didn't
• 51:42
  Speaker 10: play obviously in their bowl games and stuff like that,
• 51:44
  Speaker 10: so you don't have that. I think with Harrison and Neighbors,
• 51:48
  Speaker 10: it's a little bit closer. And that's more just like stylistically,
• 51:52
  Speaker 10: what do you prefer like my conference? Marvin Harrison Junior
• 51:54
  Speaker 10: is Devanta Adams, Right, He's a guy that has a
• 51:57
  Speaker 10: frame of a six foot three, six foot four receiver,
• 52:00
  Speaker 10: but can break down like he's a much smaller guy,
• 52:02
  Speaker 10: whereas Neighbors is really Jamar Chase. Right, it's linear, explosive,
• 52:06
  Speaker 10: down the field type of athlete. So like it's just
• 52:08
  Speaker 10: whichever one you want is I would agree with that.
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: It's sort of like this game it out. So give
• 52:13
  Speaker 10: them Neighbors then, right if Chicago took them. But what
• 52:16
  Speaker 10: I'm saying, like back Jones can't reach Molik Neighbors field
• 52:21
  Speaker 10: they are also, I mean, we'll see what happens.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: I mean those top five receivers, his historically have not
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: been great.
• 52:27
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• 52:29
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• 52:35
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• 53:37
  Speaker 12: Faith yeah, co host, and I'm gonna let her run
• 53:40
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• 53:43
  Speaker 12: So Faith, Yes, let's go for running out.
• 53:45
  Speaker 17: Of questions here, We're runn out of questions we're coming
• 53:48
  Speaker 17: up with stuff. Matisse has given me the honor of
• 53:51
  Speaker 17: having the trivia today. So Matissea, as you always tell me,
• 53:54
  Speaker 17: don't answer the questions, I gotcha. First question, what was
• 53:58
  Speaker 17: the final play in the old Fox for A Stadium?
• 54:02
  Speaker 17: Second question, who was the first opponent to play in
• 54:06
  Speaker 17: the Patriots new stadium, Chalett Stadium? Who did the Patriots
• 54:10
  Speaker 17: play first in Jalette Stadium? And last who did Doug
• 54:15
  Speaker 17: Flutie do his famous last drop kick against? So a
• 54:19
  Speaker 17: lot of opponents.
• 54:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah, all right, and send your answers in the web
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• 54:25
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• 54:25
  Speaker 10: You're gonna win something really good.
• 54:27
  Speaker 12: We have a lot of good use. But Faith, as
• 54:29
  Speaker 12: I said earlier, this has been pushed a week or two,
• 54:33
  Speaker 12: and so I have a little rant about college football
• 54:36
  Speaker 12: and for the listeners, I am a very casual college
• 54:39
  Speaker 12: football fan. I get more into it when it comes
• 54:41
  Speaker 12: to draft season and you know, more highlights. I watched
• 54:45
  Speaker 12: the big games and so we just had Michigan beat
• 54:49
  Speaker 12: University Washington. And Faith is from South Carolina. I am
• 54:53
  Speaker 12: go Game Cocks, and so she's more of a college
• 54:56
  Speaker 12: football guru than I am. And so I'm gonna go
• 54:59
  Speaker 12: through this. I have about seven five takes and I'm
• 55:04
  Speaker 12: gonna let Faith react to them.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 55:06
  Speaker 12: This is for the playoff slash Championship, Okay, all right?
• 55:10
  Speaker 12: And so my first yes and my first rant has
• 55:13
  Speaker 12: been addressed because the issue that four teams, what were
• 55:15
  Speaker 12: we doing now? Just bad to begin. Yes, FSU got screwed,
• 55:19
  Speaker 12: Georgia got screwed, kind of like it's it's it's fixed,
• 55:22
  Speaker 12: that's fixed. That was rant number on.
• 55:24
  Speaker 17: Their game was ridiculous, all.
• 55:25
  Speaker 12: Right, issue won for real. Issue one, the game is
• 55:29
  Speaker 12: too damn late. All right. I'm thirty years old. Yeah,
• 55:34
  Speaker 12: on the week days, I like to be in bed
• 55:37
  Speaker 12: before midnight. They pushed it up this year. I think
• 55:40
  Speaker 12: it started at seven. The ball didn't get kicked off
• 55:42
  Speaker 12: the damn t until late fifteen.
• 55:44
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's it's kind of become not to the level
• 55:47
  Speaker 17: of Army Navy, but there's so much pre game, so
• 55:50
  Speaker 17: much hype around it, so much extra stuff, that you're right,
• 55:53
  Speaker 17: it is kind of pushed.
• 55:55
  Speaker 11: I also had them.
• 55:56
  Speaker 17: I'm twenty three, and I had the complaint that it
• 55:57
  Speaker 17: was too late, like I only stayed up till halftime.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 56:01
  Speaker 12: It's crazy, and so that ties into something else. But
• 56:03
  Speaker 12: that's number one.
• 56:04
  Speaker 11: That's very bad.
• 56:05
  Speaker 12: Okay, number two, the trophy sucks.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I like the the crystal ball.
• 56:11
  Speaker 17: Was great, but you can imagine probably how many times
• 56:15
  Speaker 17: like that's so breakable.
• 56:17
  Speaker 10: That's the problem.
• 56:17
  Speaker 12: It doesn't matter, it's you can get to do it.
• 56:19
  Speaker 12: The trophy stinks. It used to say doctor Pepper on it. Okay,
• 56:22
  Speaker 12: that's a that's a full like, so every other team,
• 56:24
  Speaker 12: every other NCAA winner gets that like weird.
• 56:28
  Speaker 17: See I would rather the college football playoff like the
• 56:31
  Speaker 17: football trophy than what the NCAA gives like every other team.
• 56:35
  Speaker 12: Okay, just it needs to be fixed. You know, maybe
• 56:38
  Speaker 12: when they expand it they get rid of this thing.
• 56:40
  Speaker 10: True.
• 56:40
  Speaker 17: But because I can say from being from South Carolina,
• 56:42
  Speaker 17: I saw plenty of women's basketball national championship trophies and
• 56:45
  Speaker 17: SEC tournament trophies. You know, had to had to flex that.
• 56:48
  Speaker 17: But they're not I would argue they're not as good
• 56:51
  Speaker 17: and or cool as you don't like the.
• 56:53
  Speaker 12: Gold like it's better now that doesn't say doctor Pepper
• 56:56
  Speaker 12: on it.
• 56:56
  Speaker 11: That's fair, but all the doctor Pepper fans probably liked it.
• 56:58
  Speaker 12: Okaynumber three, we got making an event like the super Bowl,
• 57:02
  Speaker 12: like like we need more funny commercials, all right, just
• 57:07
  Speaker 12: like you're putting me through this game, and if you're like,
• 57:10
  Speaker 12: just give me something as a casual fan, you know, oh,
• 57:13
  Speaker 12: like you know, funny commercial.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 57:14
  Speaker 17: Some people who don't like football would still want to
• 57:16
  Speaker 17: time in because there's something else.
• 57:18
  Speaker 12: It's just like a very blend fraud like yeah, like
• 57:22
  Speaker 12: and some of the games are good. Maybe it's just
• 57:24
  Speaker 12: tough because the game we just watched like it had
• 57:26
  Speaker 12: it had moments, but it wasn't that good.
• 57:28
  Speaker 17: I think that's the problem is like the real weekend,
• 57:31
  Speaker 17: the real moment is those like semi final games. Those
• 57:34
  Speaker 17: are the tight games, those are the exciting things. And
• 57:36
  Speaker 17: then it's almost like you make it to the national
• 57:38
  Speaker 17: championship and it's either too late. It's also less late
• 57:41
  Speaker 17: in the season because they play it so late. It's
• 57:43
  Speaker 17: like college football ends it like Thanksgiving.
• 57:46
  Speaker 10: So then you've got this like really long break.
• 57:48
  Speaker 17: Of like bowl games. But you're just like by the
• 57:51
  Speaker 17: time you roll into January. It's not that people don't care,
• 57:54
  Speaker 17: because people certainly care, but it's just there's such a
• 57:57
  Speaker 17: big time period between the last regular season.
• 57:59
  Speaker 12: War depending where you are Michigan. And all right, so
• 58:04
  Speaker 12: part three point five. If there's too many commercials, all right,
• 58:07
  Speaker 12: like like I wanted to, there's too many, Yes, and
• 58:10
  Speaker 12: like that. I think that's that's not just a playoff issue.
• 58:12
  Speaker 12: That's been that's the whole season. They got to fix that.
• 58:16
  Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a lot of TV breaks for sure.
• 58:18
  Speaker 12: Question four, number four, Rant four, This is a big one.
• 58:22
  Speaker 12: Why is it on a Monday?
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Why like like like be on a Friday.
• 58:26
  Speaker 12: Maybe with the new expansion it gets pushed back. Yeah,
• 58:29
  Speaker 12: and maybe like you know, it's the week between the
• 58:31
  Speaker 12: super Bowl. I would love that, you know, having sudden Saturday.
• 58:34
  Speaker 12: But like like I either want to watch it on
• 58:36
  Speaker 12: a Friday or Saturday. You can't do Sunday. And now
• 58:39
  Speaker 12: you can't really do Surday because the NFL. I don't know,
• 58:41
  Speaker 12: it's just Monday. What are we doing?
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: I feel like you.
• 58:44
  Speaker 17: Could really lean into Saturday because that's college football on Saturday. Yes,
• 58:49
  Speaker 17: And it's also tough, like you think about like, okay,
• 58:52
  Speaker 17: like kids having to stay up late on the school night,
• 58:54
  Speaker 17: adults like us, yes, like us having to stay.
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: Up on a work night.
• 58:58
  Speaker 12: If you want to go to a bar.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Who was a bar?
• 59:00
  Speaker 17: The kids aren't going to the bar, but you know
• 59:02
  Speaker 17: we might want to have to one. Yeah, so you
• 59:04
  Speaker 17: agree with that, you're making valid points. I'm not saying
• 59:07
  Speaker 17: the system is perfect.
• 59:08
  Speaker 12: And number number five, and so I wrote this list
• 59:11
  Speaker 12: out at during the game because I was frustrated. Number five,
• 59:15
  Speaker 12: This just goes to off college football. You gotta get
• 59:18
  Speaker 12: rid of the targeting rule, because I said, I said
• 59:20
  Speaker 12: when I sent this to my friend, get rid of
• 59:21
  Speaker 12: the targeting rule because it's the worst rule. And I'm
• 59:23
  Speaker 12: sure it's going to happen this game, and it almost did.
• 59:25
  Speaker 12: It almost happened at the end, and you're throwing a
• 59:28
  Speaker 12: player out and it's just it's just bad. Yeah, that's
• 59:31
  Speaker 12: once again, just for all of college football.
• 59:33
  Speaker 11: I can agree. I feel like there's certain rules.
• 59:36
  Speaker 17: I've always had an interesting thought on the whole, like
• 59:39
  Speaker 17: one toe versus two toes, Like, if you're training college
• 59:42
  Speaker 17: football players don't only get one toe in, how does
• 59:44
  Speaker 17: that fully translate when you have to get two in
• 59:46
  Speaker 17: the NFL?
• 59:47
  Speaker 10: Like I feel like there should.
• 59:49
  Speaker 17: Be more connection so that you're training players to know
• 59:52
  Speaker 17: exactly what's going to happen in the pros even if
• 59:54
  Speaker 17: you don't make it to the pros. God, So, I look,
• 59:57
  Speaker 17: I think you're making valid points. I want some Carolina
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 17: to win the national championship next year.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 12: It's just like, what if what if Michigan's like star
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 12: defensive back gets a targeting play in quarter one?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Done, and then it's done.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 12: Just I don't know it needs to be done, but
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 12: that is that's my rant. I've been saying on that.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: It clearly the game half a while ago. Faith.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 12: Thank you for getting the trivia, of course, and all right,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 12: let's get back to Patriots and filter.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 18: When someone accidentally threw the school play costumes, oh no,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 18: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 18: Everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 18: now it's next for residential delivery.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Only and now great moments in.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: History. You know he was the fish with my grandfather, Yeah? Really?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 12: Wow?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: Please tell I know that he had a twenty eight
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: to three shirt sholder. I don't know that his grandfather.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: They all used Shakespeare Rods Ted Williams.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: So my grandfather was longtime track coach at Tufts.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: From the early thirties all the way until he died
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: in the early seventies and he developed a friendship with
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: Ted Williams. There's there's some interesting newspaper articles that I've
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 7: dug up that it's my grandfather. I never met him
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: die before I was born. Clarence ding Duso. The track
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: of tous is named after him. But they used to
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: go him and Ted would go up to up to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: New Brunswick where my grandfather did all the summers, and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: they would fish together, fly fishing. And this is the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: crazy story. John Henry Duso Williams. They named his middle
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: name is Dusau after my grandfather. You go to newspapers
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: dot com. You can do a lot of searching. I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: found one that's like, you know, du So teaches the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 7: Red Sox how to run. So my grandfather went down
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: to Florida and was talking to them about like speed
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: and stuff. So yeah, so it's he's he's got a
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: he's got a whole story.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: I've got his whole all this st I got a feeling.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of stories that deuces and I'm getting
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: through them slowly but surely.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: But that's one of the better ones.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: That's great.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all those stories, you're kind of a disappointment.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: That's another great moment from.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Now I know the reason you played that is just
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: have an excuse to play the song.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 8: So let's hear.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: People have been saying this has been get stuck in
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: their head face.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 12: Okay, here we go.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: This one's for Mike to, so yeah, there we go.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 11: This one's for Mike or So.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: He made his name and bloggy and he's a youth
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: hockey referee.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: Don't you ever again those.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Twenty eight to three ties. He's lessing the picks and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: he's sneaking negative but he knows his.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: Hood is and he knows them good.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Did you know that he used to live in Hollywood. Okay,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: this one's for Mike to, so yeah, there we go.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: This one's for Mike to so, okay, go he's snaking egg. Okay,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: this one's might do.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: So all right, thank you?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Just stuff just so good.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 8: It's stuff the Okay, that's the.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: Second one that it's just so good.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: And as they ready ported it out since the song,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: you know, the Cowboys haven't haven't won a game yet, so.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: And then they curse the Cowboys. They had the ball
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: for about nine thousand snaps of that game. Trying to
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: come back in the second half too, So okay.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: All the time, and it's so annoying, right, I mean
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: they must annoy everybody.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: Does that annoy everybody? It's all I can hear the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: whole game.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: It's just it just makes me chuckle now every single time.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 10: But you're you curse the Cowboys.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: You're like JJ Reddick and we invented that. You and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: I were the first ones on that. We were like
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: listening to the.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: TV like, is he saying okay, yeah, so that is
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Jill's uh that's the last name again, Jill new Hampshire.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Just Jill from New Hampshire. Yeah, great, great, great song
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: all right before or the break I kind of teased
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit about the sentiment for mac Jones because
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: it's been kind of a roller coaster. Obviously, when he
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: was drafted, it was like, okay, great, we've got this
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: guy from Alabama. Uh, you know, best rookie season, you know,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: a long time for any quarterback and all this stuff,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: and then obviously last year went down, went down even
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: further this year. But is is he starting to get
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit more support now that these stories are
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: coming out and how it was a situation where hardly
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: anyone could have succeeded in. Is he getting a little
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: sympathy these days as compared to like a month ago,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, not for me.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: I mean, I I sense it.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: I mean I haven't heard much I have. I mean,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Macalytes they're still there. They were there
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: during the season. This isn't his fault. Macau have no
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: offensive line.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: We've got to run it back with Mac, run it
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: back with Mac.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: That's why.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: I just, I mean, we're talking about it upstairs a
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: little bit, and it's, you know, it's as hard as
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: things were for Mac Jones.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: I just I think you would have seen something if
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: there was something there.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: And that's why there's still people out there that say, oh,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: you know, and I always go back to what Bill said,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: he can play in this league, like you know. I mean,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: it's it's I think there's still people that think he
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 7: can play in this league. And that's why I brought
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: up that scenario, which was one hundred percent not a
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: real scenario that I'm advocating for everybody who's writing in
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: right now to yell at me, but like trot Nixon
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: over the back right now, I took it back over
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: the break, but I just I think he deserves probably
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: a clean break. But I don't really believe that he's
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: going to go elsewhere and suddenly flourish.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: I think he kind of is what he is.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: So let's just say that they do get you know,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: a quarterback in the first round. Does he deserve at
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: least to get to training camp and fight for a
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: starting job for this year?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 11: No?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, well not.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 10: Because he doesn't like deserve it. I don't know about that,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 10: but I just don't think that him wore Bailey Zappi's
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 10: the right guy for that role. Yeah, Like, if you're
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: going to draft a quarterback three overall, that's your quarterback, right, Like,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 10: it's not like Mac Jones going to beat him out
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 10: in trail.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: But we we've also talked about wouldn't it be nice
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: to just have a veteran so that he doesn't have
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: to be thrown.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 10: Into the ve right, Like if you want to bring
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 10: in Gardner Minshew or that's a veteran now.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 11: No, but I would not want a broken veteran leading
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 11: my young rookie quarterback.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 10: Like, you know, you need you need the Brian Hoyer
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 10: mentor type guy like obviously can be better than Brian Hoyer,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 10: but in terms of actually playing, but you need the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 10: Jacoby Brisseid, the Gardner minshew uh to someone that has
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 10: no there's no notion that he could be starting or
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 10: like think anything differently of I'm here to mentor Jayden Daniel.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. I'm not saying that, you know, if
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: you kept Mac there would be a notion that he
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: would start if you picked somebody in the top three.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that he's a place he's a placeholder.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: I mean, I just would speak also talk to Andy
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: and Fitzi this weekend about this. Is like I mean,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: I always advocate draft a quarterback every year. I mean,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: I'm not in the business of just casting aside quarterbacks
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: unless you really need to. I think it's just you know,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: you never know when you're gonna need one, and you
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: have put a lot into Mac. I'm again I stated
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: at the top, I don't think it's it's there. But
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: at the same time, I think there is an argument
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: to be made of let him come in and fight
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: and let's you know, see what emerges from that. I mean,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 7: I think there I would be against that argument, but
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: I just generally think when you need a quarterback this bad,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: you've got to turn over every single rock that you
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: possibly can and try to figure out not only how
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: to find the guy, but you know, how to bring
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: the best play out of the guys that you saw.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: No one else is sensing like a little bit of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: turning of the time.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, I just so much focused on Bill and
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: back and forth and Mayo and all that.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Certainly, certainly some of the story details cast him as
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: a sympathetic figure a little bit not.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: To me, But I mean there was the thing of
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: hearing multiple voices in his headset. I mean that was
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: one thing I read that you know, I don't know.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 10: That's crazy, Yeah, that one. I just don't really like that.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 10: I need more information, Like I feel like that was
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 10: it's thrown out there, and I just.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: Need the frequencies were and they were talking.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: About they were listening to Scott zoat right, I would say,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: and don't just because I don't think it's been a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: change in the ground swell or anything like that, I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: still hear the occasional calls that are telling you that
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: no one could have succeeded under that scenario. Right, The Macolites.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: That's you know what. I I still think there are
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: people I was on for four hours on Sunday and
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: we got a handful of calls that was saying, don't
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: you think it makes sense? And it's like, no, I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: really don't. Now. I also don't think that Mac will
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: want any part of coming back.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: That's that's probably the best.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: Like, I think probably one of the first orders of
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: business in the off season will be Mac going to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: Robert Craft and in asking to be request to be
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: sent somewhere. And I think that that would be in
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: everybody's best interest to grant that.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 10: I think that I'm with you, Paul, that Mac is
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 10: not the guy, and we would have I think, Deuce
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 10: you said like we would have seen something if we
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 10: felt that way. You know that that like Trevor Lawrence
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 10: in the in the Urban Meyer year, right, no one
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 10: was gonna truly succeed with that Urban Meyer Jaguars team,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 10: and I think it's similar with Mac over the last
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 10: two years. But Trevor Lawrence clearly showed things in that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 10: Urban Meyer year that were like, all right, once he
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 10: gets a stable environment around him, this guy's going to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 10: be pretty good. And I just don't know if we
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 10: ever really saw that level play for mac Jones. But
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 10: I agree with the sentiment that nobody last two years,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 10: nobody was going to succeed with this Matt Patricia calling
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 10: plays and then the talent that they had this year,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 10: No way.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know. I mean, like if the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: stories are true about how it was supposed to be
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: a collaborative pick. But Bill really wanted to wait for
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Davis Mills. He was perfectly content to do that. You know,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: he felt he was pressured and didn't really give him
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: any help. Does he become a sympathetic figure within these walls?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, Bill, you're saying or noh
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: for the craft, I think that happened. Yeah, I think
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: he became a sympathetic figure within these walls over the
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: last two.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Carry over to twenty twenty four, and give him one
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: more shot if they paid attention. Yeah, Like I'm just
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: throwing it out there, like, yeah.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: He's facilitating Like like I'll say, like Trevor Lawrence, right
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: that Evan brought up, He's had his struggles for three years.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: He's been a little up and down. He hasn't he
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: hasn't really established himself, as you know, in that echelon
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: with you know, the other good quarterbacks in the AFC.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: But I haven't seen him handle this stuff like you remember,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: do you remember, like his rookie year when there was
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: a whole thing about the quarterback sneak. Yeah, he didn't
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: kill urban Meyer.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 10: For yeah, I mean he didn't kill He had plenty
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 10: of opportunities to throw urban Meyer.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: He was I'm not a guy, and I'm not telling
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: you he did everything perfectly right like, So you know,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: whenever you say something like that, someone will immediately send
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: you a link to a story from four years ago
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: where he said that urban Meyer's a meanie, you know. Like,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: I just feel like, in general term, he's handled his
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: three years of ups and downs a lot better than
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: Mac Jones has.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 10: I think that's part of it, though, right like, And
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 10: that's why I'm out of the franchise.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: That's why I'm out because I haven't seen the ups, yeah,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: and I only saw the downs.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 10: And to be honest with you, I think if we
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 10: weren't coming off of Mac Jones, then it wouldn't worry
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 10: me as much. But like Caleb Williams, that part of
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 10: it were not the nail painting and the crying and
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 10: all that stuff. But just like the maturity of him
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 10: right now, and like how he's going to handle adversity
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 10: and how he's going to handle you know, the Boston media.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: And here's where I'm a fraud. And I'll be fully
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: bitting that I'm a fraud. I'm not as worried about
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: those things because of the talent. If mac Jones had
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: that kind of talent, I would absolutely be a fraud.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: And tell you that doesn't bother me as much.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: That's why I'd been more forgiving for some magic, laid
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: down magic field.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 10: That's why I'd still take him. But I think that
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 10: there are those concerns I feel like that people have
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 10: about him. If you're if you're talking about it in
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 10: the right way, if you're talking about him painting his nails,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 10: and you lose me. But like if you're talking about
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 10: the maturity the football character of the player in terms
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 10: of his maturity level, then I think that that's a
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 10: legitimate right.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: The Pealisero piece today a tweet talking about him already
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: at one of those He's already in his pre draft.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: You know, I know a lot of the other guys
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: are too. I'm not saying that Caleb Williams is unique,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: but for a guy who supposedly it's not that important
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: and this and that, it seems like I see a.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Little bit of not not from playing ability, but personally,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: I see a little bit of Cam Newton and Caleb.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: Williams, and I would sign up for that in a blink.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ten years of Cam, I take an MVP because
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: he used that playing.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh god, there's I just.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 10: Wish that the conversation not to make this like a
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 10: Caleb Williams show, but like, I just wish the conversation
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 10: around Caleb Williams was actually like talking about the pros
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 10: and cons of him as a football player, because I
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 10: don't he's not a perfect prospect on film and not
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 10: no one is, but like he's not. I don't think
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 10: he's in like the Andrew.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: Luck Yeah, and that's right, that's my benchmark, you know,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: I don't. I never heard one really negative word that
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: draft process about Andrew Luck.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, while I was watching Nabors this weekend
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: along with the rest I watched that. I watched the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: quarterbacks and the interceders. But this was my thought on
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 7: on on on Caleb Williams was like, why do I
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: see so many plays where he drops back good pocket,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: He sits there, he sits there, he breaks the pocket,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: he runs around for a minute, and then he just
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 7: like chucks it and it's like, well.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: With his feet off the ground.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Well maybe not that extreme, but you know it's just
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: like like Jordan Love on Sunday.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 7: That's what the big product, that's what they always like
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 7: A great majority of things when you watch like what
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 7: makes Caleb Williams great, it's like and sometimes it's like
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: he doesn't he breaks the pocket on his own, Like.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: It's not like there's pressure rightnything definitely holds.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: And so you know it's just I mean, it's in
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: and you realize again and I've said this, I'm gonna
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: say this one hundred times this spring. This is what
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 7: I've taken from these last few drafts is that there
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: are one or two quarterbacks in this and I don't
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: know if it's Caleb Williams or not, but there's one
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: or two maybe and the rest of these guys are
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 7: all going to fail. And that like I have this
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: new like negative pessimistic view of the quarterbacks now of
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: why are they all and.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: I would be willing to accept that if you do
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: that all to all the other positions too.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 10: Sure.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: I mean because that Matthew, there will be there will
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: be four or five tackles taken in the first round,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: and one or two of them will be able to play,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: and everybody will ignore the other three that busted because
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: they're tackles and no one everything in Greg Bernard.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: And Matthew Stafford in his prime.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: One wasn't.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: Well, that's I mean, But that's what's funny, is like,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I think I get what you're
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: getting at. I mean, and I'm not really I'm not
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: really trying to use this as an argument. I know
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 7: this was more, but I've almost found myself going more
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: towards wide receiver land then going to tackle land.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: It's just okay, And I would use I would use
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: the same argument there. And I'm not talking about Listen,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: there's going to be thirty forty wide receivers taken and
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: they'll be ten good ones. Yeah, I'm talking about the
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: four or five that are going to go in the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: first round or whatever. Two of them will be good.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: How Kevin White work out?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 8: Who I do?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 10: I do hope that we did, like high for wide
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 10: receivers have changed from the Kevin White years where just
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 10: big man run fast, you know, like I hope that we've.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: I just feel like people you know, it's like Jamar
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: Chase and Justin Jefferson. I mean, this guy's like Jalen Waddle.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: They knocked it out of the park. Yeah, and there
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: are other guys that get taken.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 10: You don't remember Kalen Raker, Quenton.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: Johnston remember him right?
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 10: Not the reason rock did you go to see that?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: Somebody gave him an all provo as a returner. I
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: assume it was as a return makes sense.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 10: He's a good returner.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: That's insane.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 10: But your receiver, the receiver take, like I'm not saying
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 10: calling it, your receiver take is probably a little strong,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 10: and I don't want to put that on you.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: I appreciate that you're gonna answer for that.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 10: You have a quarterback that can throw and an offensive
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 10: line that can't block. But Marvin Harrison Junior is down
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 10: the field wide open, jumping up and down like a
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 10: crazy person, Like I'm just trying to figure out where
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 10: like you cut? Because I look at the Jets and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 10: Garrett Wilson is a thousand yards every single year coming
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 10: off the bus. They can't win a thing. So I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 10: just like don't really see how like how is how
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 10: is that help? Like Marvin Harrison, you just super talented player,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 10: but how does it help your bottom line?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: I'm already on this other side seat.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I would say, I wouldn't just
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: run them down the field if we can't protect so
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: I would probably haven't run a shorter route.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: Crossing.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 10: I would run run. I mean, I'm Lincoln Riley. I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 10: run mesh on every single play.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: I get it, I know, and it's it's this is
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 7: this is good conversation because I mean, and I'm not
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: I'm not fully you know where you're putting me right now,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 7: But I just at least see, you know, some of
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 7: the consideration that you have to have, and especially as
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 7: a new person coming in who wants to put their
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: stamp on the organization, and if you have questions about
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: the quarterback, which I I mean, and admittedly I went
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: into kind of this weekend kind of like on Jayden Daniels,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: but I'm much higher on him now, and you know,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: I I mean, it's a great question.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: You're right, and then film this weekend.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 8: I watched the quarterbacks and some receivers.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 6: You enjoy yourself, the Nabvers guy, and I was just intrigued. No,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: I started watching it.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 11: You have.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: A take stick what you take, don't back.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 10: You've got to watch Room and Wilson.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: I haven't watch him.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 6: What did you guys think of the.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 10: Organ Taekwon Thorn? Yeah, reil thin super fast.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 11: I don't want any more of this.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's get to the phones. We'll go
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: to Tim and Boston.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 10: What you have more to say?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 19: Everyone?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 15: Just to talk to some of these first round quarterbacks
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 15: real quick. Like every one of these guys has a flaw,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 15: you know, as usual. You know, I got to teach
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 15: them how to read a defense. It's this guy's mechanics.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 15: But in the history of like developing quarterbacks, which one
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 15: worked out most often? Like the easier to teach someone
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 15: to throw than it is to.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 10: I would say based off of recent history. Uh, the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 10: Drake May mold has worked out more times than not.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 10: Like that's Drake May is like justin Herbert Josh Allen. Uh,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 10: that type of guy that Drake May has got footwork
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 10: in some lower body mechanical things. That if you get
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 10: him with Jordan Palmer for an offseason, like odds are
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 10: that he's going to probably figure it out, and that
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 10: that's what those guys did. I think that that guy
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 10: usually works out a little bit. Jaden Daniels is like
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 10: the only comp for him really is Lamar, Like there's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 10: a it's just not He's such a unique player that
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 10: I think it's difficult. Like the Caleb Williams one is like,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 10: that's Zach Wilson like that. That guy's got boom er
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 10: bust potential all over the place that I would be
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 10: concerned about. Like, I think Drake may is the guy
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 10: that he understands the position, he knows what he's looking at,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 10: he understands how to you know, work the middle of
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 10: the field. He just needs to fix some of the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 10: refinement of his mechanics and he's going to be fine.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: You good tempt Okay, I guess so, yes, let's go
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: to SPI and Fresnow, what's up?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 20: Speed Mike's new jingle is a thing of beauty? Yeah, uh,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 20: Jill was giving mister Lipp.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: A run for his money.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, man, I agree with what you guys were
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 20: saying earlier. With you know that the decisions so far
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 20: maybe suggest press saw Bill is the problem and the
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 20: plan more or less seems like run it back minus built.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 20: But it's I'm trying to reconcile that because Craft maybe
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 20: slip flop, Like he gives Bill that contract extension in
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 20: late October after losing to the Stants and the Raiders,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 20: and now Bill's the main problem.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: I just that's a little bit of speed. That's when
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: you found out about the contract extension. That's not when
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: he got it. They didn't extend it.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 10: Told what happened I after last season?
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, after the yeah, probably around this time last year.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: Oh okay, yeah, but it was still after they just.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 10: I think out of all the things that since this
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 10: kind of brings it up, like out of all the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 10: things that all this talk about, like the Craft's meddling
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 10: too much and stuff like that, And clearly that's what
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 10: Bill thinks, because that's what's out there, Like the biggest
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 10: thing to me out of all like Craft coming in
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 10: and saying that Matt Patricia is an offensive coordinator Bill,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 10: that that that's not working out. Like that's the job
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 10: of an owner, right is like save you from yourself
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 10: and be like.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: There's a degree of meddling that should be done by
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: the owner.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 10: He's in charge, right, Like it's the voice of reason
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 10: of being like this is not we're not doing this,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 10: like this is crazy, but but putting he's right in
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 10: writing that Gerard Mayo is the successor to Bill Belichick
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 10: when Bill Belichick is still coaching. He made Bill Belichick
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 10: a lame duck. That's what it did. Like they made
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 10: Bill a lame duck.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: Well, he'll probably and I heard this thing on Paul's shows,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: like this whole thing. Well, the plan was he was
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: going to be here for two years and hopefully the
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: team was going in the right direction, and then you
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: hand it over to Gerard instead of where it is now.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking myself, Okay, so if the team's heading
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: in the right direction, why would Bill.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: Want to leave, Like because they were figuring that they
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: would get his he would get his record, and he
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: would probably be looking to step.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Down probably, But what if he wants to keep coaching.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: You know, then you do it for another year. I mean,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: let's face, he's not going to coach that much longer.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I think I think the Crafts were ready to pull
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: the trigger at the beginning of this year.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 10: It didn't work out, but so they made him, but
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 10: they made him a lame duck. And then from everything
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 10: that we've heard, it divided the coaching staff. So and
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 10: it divided the building because at people was the next guy.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: So are you suggesting that maybe it was intentional that
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: it would quick in the pace of the deterior rate.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe, but I do think that they were open to
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think that. In other words, I don't think
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: there was a plan a two year plan. I think
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: there was a plan as soon as it was needed
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: to make the change. Yeah.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: No, I agree with you on that, but I do
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: think they probably looked at it as it wouldn't be
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: this year, it would probably be two years, and it
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: didn't work out that way. But the larger point that
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: I agree with with Evan on is I think unintentionally,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think that Robert knew this was going to happen.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: I think unintentionally they set Bill up to fail and
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: it ended up dividing some within the coaching staff.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 20: Probably, But the original plan was to basically give Bill
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 20: two years so we could get the record and then run.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what people say. I've never heard anyone come
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: from that.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: No, Fred Wright, Fred Right.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 7: Still would have taken two what two nine one seasons?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, yeah, I just I look at that
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 10: set up and when you look back on it now,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 10: like that's a dysfunctional setup. But I can't just you
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 10: can't promise somebody a job when guys.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Still I could people say that they sealed those fate
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: when they wrote the letter to season ticket holders at
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: the end.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: Of last Well, I think it all kind of goes
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: hand in hand. That's when the Mayo thing happened, right.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 10: And then Mayo goes and has the Karen Griggian asked
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 10: the question and he says, the timing is interesting, And
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 10: at first I thought, oh, the timing is interesting. He's
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 10: saying that because they're three and thirteen or what. No,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 10: he was saying that because he knew that he was
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 10: the next guy and people in the building knew it too, So, oh,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 10: the timing is interesting. All of a sudden, now I
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 10: have this contract that I'm the air apparent, and now
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 10: people are starting to talk and talk about me.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: It's like this guy, he loves to throw the word
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: out swear. Yeah, he's a little potty.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 10: If that's a swear word.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Then we have a very low ball is nowadays. Yeah,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: they say that on regularly, they really do.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 7: There's no more like you know, they used to peep
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 7: it out like forget you.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like ESPN last night, you know one of the
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: press conferences, someone did that did a peeper? No, no, no,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: no peeper. Now just that that word is like just
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: a bleep.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 10: If I said the F word, then I'd be mad
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 10: at myself.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: Sean McVay after the Sunday Night game, he might have
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: said something about sugar. That's word sugar, Chris with a T,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: I A N.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Hey, Christian, Hey.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 20: You've been most like a sailor.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: It's crazy.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: Where have you been?
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: Bro?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: What do you got to do? What do you got
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: more important than this?
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Look?
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: It was a very emotional week last week, Paula. It
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: it takes me a while to you know, to call it.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: I gotta get my bearings a boat. Twenty four years
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: is a long.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: Time, you know, Okay, so intimately connected for the past.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: For the past two years and then as soon as
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: I'm going onto the website last week and see Robert,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: see him and Robert walk out. If I was in
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: the room, I probably said no, don't leave, I love
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: you please.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 17: Day.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: It was just it was a surreal moment. Yeah, it's
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: I And I hear everybody these thoughts about the Mayo
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: higher and I get it, Like I would have liked to,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: like prol like for them to have gone outside and
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: and and and look around. But I'm putting my faith
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: back in the ownership. They identified this guy, they clearly
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: like him, and you know, they went ahead and rewrote
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: the contract and and and made him the guy. So
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: and I do like what Robert did last week, coming
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: back out after him and Bill to answer questions. I
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: thought this year he was really getting killed a lot
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: for not commenting on this season and Bill's job, and
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: I thought it was important for him to come out
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: and do what he did. And as a fan, you know,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: it it to me. This may sound kind of corny,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: but it meant a lot. It meant a lot to
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: hear from him and for him to you know, to
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: have that time with the media.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's always important for fans to hear from
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: their owners, especially in times like this thing. Yeah, there
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: is you know, upset or motivated or whatever as you are,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: you know, like they want to win as much as
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: you do.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 8: I have.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 10: I just like and I don't want to speak for everybody,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 10: but Gerard's not the problem with what's going on right now. No,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 10: I'm actually pretty excited about Gerard. I think it's the
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 10: the idea of it is great. I love that he's,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 10: you know, a younger coach that hopefully will have a
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 10: little bit more of a modern spin on it. I
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 10: love that the players love him, Like I think that's
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 10: very very clear. It's all it's everything that's going on
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 10: around him that is that it's concerning right Like there's
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 10: no general manager. You know, you're hearing a lot of stuff,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 10: and I just you know, a lot of people are
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 10: talking by the way, like we're not supposed to say much,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 10: but like this is as much chatter as I've heard
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 10: around the building.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Everyone's lining up, you know where it's still you know,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: the the dust hasn't settled from last week.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 10: So there's a lot of incertain Like there's a lot
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 10: of people in this building on the football side of things.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 10: I don't know if they have a.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: Job or I would agree with with Evan with regard
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: to Mayo. I I don't have any problems with him
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: being the success.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's in all our interests to support him
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: and make sure he got Yeah.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: But even if it wasn't, that would I still I
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: think a lot of Mayo. I think highly of him,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: and I don't think it's a terrible choice. I don't.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: I just think that it didn't need to be done
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: the way it was.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: But I think you well, our pad from Hungary, he
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: disagrees with you, Paul. He says, I don't mind not
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: doing interviews. You know, you make those interviews and at
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: the end it turns out it was Mayo. Anyway, no
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: chance for those coaches who went in for the interview
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: would be a bad look for the Patriots. They'd be
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: losing credibility.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: Disagree.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 10: I also have no problem with the head coaching interview
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 10: is whatever, Like you think Mayo's the guy? Mayo is
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 10: the guy?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: Great?
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 10: What the offensive coordinator? Are we gonna have an actual
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 10: process for that or are we just going to pick
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 10: Bill O'Brien back, you know, like it was last year,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 10: in actual process or was it a sham? Because I
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 10: think it was kind of a sham.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 7: That's where the reporting has been all over the place.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, between the report Josh could be back that
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: without came out early last weekend to Bill O'Brien, could
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 7: be back to you know, and then the guy that
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: in Carolina is defensive right defensive coordinator interviewing him. So
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 7: even that through the lens of could Steve come back?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, is it even necessarily as a defensive coordinator?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 7: Could he just kind of stay as a linebacker's coach site?
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: I think this is the questions we're waiting for.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 17: Now.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 10: What's that intrigued that they're even interviewing people for leadership
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 10: positions on the staff, which means that Gerard is having
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 10: an open mind about these positions, Like if it was
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 10: just going to be Steve, then why bring Tim Lubick
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 10: even in the building right like or virtually or whatever.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 10: So at least like there are some rumblings that it
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 10: that they are there's openings on the staff and he's
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 10: not just filling them with retreads. Like there's a legitimate.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: Special teams thing is legit too, because that's just that's
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 7: another thing that they've gone by the wayside, and this
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 7: is just that's a bad special teams you talk about.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 7: You just could use a fresh start there. This is
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 7: an opportunity to do it.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Sebastian from Clifton, New Jersey said, did you know that
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: lazarre is Spanish for the idea football czars.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 10: I'm you don't even I'm already on peril.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: You don't even need to Claire Rights and everyone. I
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: totally agree with Fred. It would be great for Steve
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Belichick to stay at the Patriots and for and the Patriots,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: and for Steve. Steve gets to prove his worth without
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: his dad, and the defense is so bloody good. I
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: hope Mayo balances bringing back some of the good and
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: finding lots more. As for Bill moving on to another team,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: but running it back, that's kind of why he had
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: to go. He's too much of bringing it all back.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: In that way, no one can move on.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: I don't really have anything against Steve Belichick, but I'd
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 7: love to see DeMarcus Covington get a chance, like I
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: just I think he's outstanding young coach.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: He's just been one of my one of my favorites, and.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 10: He had the team this year. The defensive line was
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 10: by far the best, best prepared, best coach, best play
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 10: all of it.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: So uh, Todd and Garner. I have noticed in multiple
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: reports that male feels that these new kids need to
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: know the why for what they They need to know
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: why for whatever what they have to do. Now, wasn't
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: this the exact complaint coming from Mac regarding the offenses
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: he was asked to engage in after McDaniel's left. Is
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: there a chance that the team feels like Mack was
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: mismanaged and that they owe him another shot?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 10: I think that you can. And the sentence that the
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 10: team thinks Mac is was m mismanaged the other shot
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 10: part of it, I don't. I don't really see how
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 10: that's pert.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: This is a message to the Crafts from mattin framing him.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: I thought the smear campaigned by the Crafts and the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: seth Wickersham piece was total bs. The Crafts made the
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: right decision to send Belichick packing, But for Pete's sake,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: don't be like that dirt bag John Henry with putting
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: the hit pieces, with Terry Francona, with Bob Holer from
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: the Globe. You're better than this. Take your medicine and
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: try to fix the mess Belichick behind.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not going to go all homerrific on you here.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: I think that, But I think that went both ways.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, Yeah.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: I think the hit pieces went both.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: I think there were people talking from both camps yes
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: in that yep, yeah, which.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 10: I wish didn't go on like I wis from both.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: I wish at least it could have gone more than
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: like eighteen hours before we started hearing about it. I mean,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: obviously they both knew what they had already said to
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: to the the authors of those you know Vannatda and
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: Wickersham and right was it right Thompson involved in that one.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Nick from Omaha question for the group one thing we
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: saw this season where the fans and players desired to
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: roll with Greer or Cunningham, and Patriots Unfiltered summarized this
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: phenomenon as simply because it's the other guy, which I agreed,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: because people like talent that isn't tainted.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: Yet.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: If the rumors are true that Mayo's contract terms to
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: be the successor leaked and the influence relationships and it
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: influenced relationships this past year, are we concerned that the
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: players and others like Mayo simply for the same reasons.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: It's not your current bad option and you just want
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: to move on to something untainted, or do you feel
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: more encouraged for Mayo in this situation.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: No, I think he's been upfront doing it.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I think the thing with Malie
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: Cunningham is that fans were just kind of assuming, you know,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 7: that that he'd be great. I mean, and the players
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 7: talked about it in the locker room and kind of
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 7: insinuated that maybe he was. But at least with Mayo,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 7: we've talked to him, we've seen him on the sideline, we.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: You know, know a little bit. But it's fair as
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 6: far as he's.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 7: Not the most experienced guy in the world. This is
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 7: one of the fair criticisms of Draw Mayo. He doesn't have,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 7: you know, this depth of work outside of this organization
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 7: where he's you know, coach multiple position groups and you know,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 7: seeing a lot of different stuff. He's kind of been
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 7: pretty insular here in New England, and you know that's
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 7: that's part of it. So I don't think you're totally wrong.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: I think the Cunningham situation is first, I don't really
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: remember any hue and cry outside of fans for Will Grier.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: I don't remember any players. Sorry, but I think the
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: players looked at Cunningham was they feel some of them
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: feel like he was Une wrong because they didn't let
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: him play quarterback. Yeah, like so that's kind of a
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: different dynamic. It wasn't necessarily that they thought cunning him.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think some I think Trent Brown said
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: it that, you know, maybe who knows, he could have
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: given us a spark and added some electricity to the offense.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: But I think that the biggest problem the players had
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: with that situation was that he wasn't allowed to play quarterbacks. Misused,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: he was misused, mismanner Dasset potentially.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple people emailing they're not happy with the
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: not interviewing people other, you know, other than jirod. So
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: just to get that out there, people are saying that
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Andre from New Jersey says Fred always had have this
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: saying back in the days when the Chargers used to
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: get off the bus and Cole Weather and blah blah blah,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: that's what it was like for the Dolphins in case
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: a high powered offense that only scored seven points. Speaking
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: of Fred, I'm a little disappointed in him. I thought
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: he has all the power the boss man, where he
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: can sit in big meetings on Thursday to talk Robert
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: Kraft out of the decision to fire, the greatest coach
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: of all time. Come on, Fred, if you would have
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: said something, Belichick would still be here. Probably would have said.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: What makes you think you wanted to talk him out
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: of it? Yeah, Miami's problem this year was more than
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: about more than just the weather. So many injuries, but
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: they but that their off their offense basically did that
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: against playoff caliber opponents for most of the year. You know,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: a couple of exceptions here and there. They they played
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: very well against Dallas, but for the most part they
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: got shut down by by good teams.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 11: It was like pretty much like any team over five hundred,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 11: they were not great against.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 10: They're a fascinating team offensively just because they're their efficiency,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 10: like everything's off the charts at that offense, and then
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 10: they get into these games and they can't score.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: I thought they didn't run the ball enough Saturday night
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: early in the game. Yeah, but you know, I do
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: think that their injuries like sort of prevented them from
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: having any chance of Look at.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 10: McDaniel like that that that was a big thing for McVeigh.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 10: And I know, you know when they won the Super
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 10: Bowl with Stafford, they everybody plays that offense very similarly
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 10: structurally defensively, and then McVeigh ended up putting some more
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 10: inside run game into the playbook and like really install
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 10: like a duo run game. And you know all those
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 10: like wide zone defenses that they're facing that put all
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 10: their numbers out on the edges. Now all of a sudden,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 10: they're going right up the middle at you and.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: See Green Bay versus Dallas.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah, And I think that that's where McDaniel's issues is
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 10: right now, is that you know, they're wide zone, wide zone,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 10: wide zone, and they're just running it right into the
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 10: the game plan of the opponent.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: Doesn't kind of frustrate frustrate you a little bit that
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 7: the Patriots didn't have more ability to shut that offense down,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: like because I know that they had they didn't really
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 7: get rolled over by, but they haven't really been able
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 7: to beat tua it.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: You know my answer, So I'll stay out of this.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: It's frustrated.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 7: You know, the other teams seem to give them a
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 7: lot harder time for the Patriots defense that you know
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 7: is pretty is pretty pretty well respectful.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 10: I still think that the Patriots defense has some issues
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 10: with the teams that can horizontally stretch the field.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 6: What they're saying, but I mean to your point, Pa,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know what you're saying, but like they.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: Were better every year. I will say this year I
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: thought they were better against good offenses than they have
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: been in the past, but still kind of average.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just you know, I would just think at
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: the sample size, like you know, even with Josh Allen,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 7: it felt like maybe they started to catch on a little.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 6: Bit this year, like they got to do that with
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: two of next year.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Connor says, what are your thoughts on Cliff Kingsbury for
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and pairing him with a rookie quarterback?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 10: So Cliff Kingsbury is going, I think, going to be
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 10: a coordinator somewhere next year, and it very well could
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 10: be following Caleb Williams because he's at USC now and
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 10: apparently has a pretty good relationship with Caleb Williams. I mean,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 10: if you're one of these teams that's just like desperate
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 10: to get any sort of spark for your franchise and
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 10: you're picking up the top like a Washington or something
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 10: like that, it's attempting pairing.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: Marty writes in with Bill now actively looking to coach somewhere,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Mary do you think some other teams such as the Bears, Jaguars,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: and Jets, are now regretting sticking with their head coach,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: And do you think any of them might change their
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: mind now that Bill's on the market. Personally, I think
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: the Jets are actually the best fit for Bill in
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: terms of roster, and we know he loves Rogers, but
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: I doubt it.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 8: Don't love the Jets.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Jets were a non factor.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 11: I know.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think the other teams are.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 7: You can't fire your coach thinking you're gonna because one
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 7: guy what you don't get them, then.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 10: You're I do find like the whole Bill thing fascinating though,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 10: because you see a lot of Dallas people that are
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 10: kind of pushing back on the notion of Bill going
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 10: there because of his age, and you know, they're looking
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 10: at it like, what do you get Bill for two years?
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 10: You get Bill maybe for three years and then what
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 10: you know? And I like a team like the Falcons
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 10: that's still kind of in the middle of a rebuild there,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 10: it's like.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think that concerned that the Cowboys might
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: have would be the same for any team, even more
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: so for the Falcons because I think the Cowboys are
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: ready to win. They've got all the ingredients.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 11: Maybe they can get you know, their super Bowl win
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 11: and be like okay, cool.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: I mean to me, like, if I was a Cowboys fan,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: it would be worth having Bill Belichick for three years
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: if I knew one of them would be a super Bowl.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Well the last part is the key. Yeah,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: but if I knew one of them was going to
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: be a super Bowl.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 11: But if Falcons needing more helpful, But I.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: Would sign up for it. If I were the Falcons
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: and I only had them for three years and I
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: knew one of them was going to be a super Bowl,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: I don't sign up. But that's if you're not going
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: to get the super Bowl. No, I know, but you're
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: in the same spot.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: But that's a lot more likely. With the Cowboys and
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: the Falcons, it's a little more likely. I think a
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: lot more.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: I think Bill could do something with that Falcons team.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: I'd like to see what Bill did with Michael Parsons.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 7: That would be fun.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you've yeah.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: I mean that's why that's why McCarthy's getting fired, is
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: because they know that they're a hell of a lot
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: better than one and done for everything.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 10: All the crap that Jerry Jones does get they can
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 10: build it. The roster down there in Dallas sold they're
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 10: one of the best talent evaluating teams in the league.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: All I ever hear is that they're meddling owners that
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: think they're the GM. Stephen Jones is the GM. Yeah,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: and they can't keep their minds their noses out of football.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: And then every year they get knocked out of the
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: playoffs in the first round and everybody says they underachieved. Again,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: imagine all that talent and one of those things can't
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: be true, right.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: But if you have the right coach that can mix
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: that talent together, then now you're a super Bowl content.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: Do you think?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: But is he the right coach? Yeah?
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 10: I mean Will McClay is like the he's the real
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 10: hero behind the scenes there in Dallas there is that
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 10: the guy that they won't let player, like the real
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 10: scout on that staff and the Joneses kind of just
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 10: make the final decisions.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: David and Bethlehem Patriots have a dilemma, it says. The
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: subject line is we're number three. It's like Friday night
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: when they put the lights on low and you wonder
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: if you should ask her for that last dance. Hate me,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: but the Patriots have so many needs that trade back
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: makes sense.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: I like that take better than Deuce's. Let's run it back, run.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 8: It back to Mac.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 7: I'm making t shirts you can buy him on that.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, trade down, and don't mix
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: those up with twenty eight to three because Mac would
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: stand no chance.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Let's see Elliott Alex and Mount Holly says, yes, algebra
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: does help you in everyday life after grade school. For example,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: the any piece of track BB from HC and ad
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: JM to equal seven s B. In all seriousness, I
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: hope GIROD could start to build some success in a
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: few years. We make the playoffs soon onto more important news.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: I think Bill landing in Dallas makes sense for both
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: sides to win a title in a small window. Just
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: don't think the working relationship makes sense between Jerry and Bill.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: I think the real team to hire Bill is Philly.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: As for the draft, as a proud North Carolina State
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: alum and hatred for University of Spoiled Children, I would
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: be more than happy to take Daniels at three because
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: I love the upside in him. I think he could
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: be close to what Stroud had for regular for a
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: rookie regular season if the situation doesn't ruin him. And
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: from what I've heard, he has a better work ethic
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: than May and Williams. Back up Joe Alt and take
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: two wide receivers on day two. Finally, my short list
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: for GM is as follows former offensive coordinator assistant Evan Lazar,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Elliott Wolf, Dave Ziegler, Bill's dog, Nike, and a fall
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: else fails. Paul, I.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 10: Haven't talked to me if they if I want to interview.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: Yet, I like the the work, the work ethic.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: What if I say that you're doing.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: Than Drake May and Caleb I.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 10: Can I can double do. I can do both.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, it seems like it seems like a very well
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: sourced Uh yeah, take right.
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  Speaker 8: Well.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 10: In defense of the emailer, Jaden Daniels does have a
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 10: lot of positive buzz about how much better he has got,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 10: you know, like Calebilliams has just been good the whole time,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 10: which I'm cool with that, but that.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: Means he has a bad work ethic. No, Like so
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: those two, he might have the very same work ethic
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: that Jayden Daniels. Has he just started at a higher level.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, But Jaden Daniels, you know, I was talking
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 10: to like Kaysehan Boody for example, in the locker room
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 10: like a couple of months ago about Jayden Daniels and
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 10: he was like, you know he was with him last year.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 10: Obviously he's like last year, you know, like there's a
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 10: lot of to be honest, there's a lot of holes
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 10: in his game. Like there was just things that you know,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 10: you could tell that wasn't all the way there. But
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 10: now watching him now and talking to the guys back there,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 10: he really went to work.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: Okay. Just you know how sometimes we have these asides
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: on journalism in general, like that is a perfect example
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: of why there is a lot of value in being
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: in the locker room and the other talk to players.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 11: You have to evidence in the locker room, he goes
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 11: to work.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: No, Like I know a lot of people think that
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: reporters just want to go in the locker room so
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: they can get the dirt and they can you know,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: they get they cozy up to players and they get
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: their sources and they want to rip everybody. And you know,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: like Parcels used to say, he used to call us
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: commis subvert from within, right, that's what he used to Like.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: That's not generally why everybody wants to do the job,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: but that's an example of how you can get value
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: out of being in the locker room. You get one
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: of Jaden Daniels, not just teammates from last year, but
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: a guy he threw the ball to last year, and
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: you get his take on a guy like that. That's
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: that's valuable information. Yes, that is another compliment and the
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: other one, you know, you can take it if you want.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 10: Really meant a lot to me.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: Boardes used to go in the locker room, speaking of
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: subverting from within.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: They're not using you enough.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not getting enough reps.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 8: This is true.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: You should play more.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: I can't believe they haven't given you an extension yet,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: you know, and just get the guy going.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: That's what they do in New York.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 10: I do really love that though, Like, especially at the
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 10: Patriots locker room, there's a lot of guys in there
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 10: that have played high level college football. And you know,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 10: whether it's talking to guys about BAMA guys, LSU guys,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 10: Michigan guys.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 6: Michigan, Virginia Tech, not just kidding.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 11: There used to be just can I hear anymore?
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 10: Texas Texas got Adrian Phillips in there from Texas School.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 10: Adrian Phillips.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 6: Sorry, one of them wasn't all pro.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: Michigan, wasn't Phillips.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: Eric's in New Jersey? What's up? Eric?
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: I mean school?
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 8: All right?
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 21: The only guess you I had with Craft? Uh with
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 21: Craft Beach the other day when he gave a compliment,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 21: I'm saying that he knew more football than him. I
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 21: just know we're gonna live that. We're not gonna let
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 21: that one down for a while. But the offensive coordinators,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 21: what do you guys think of you know, maybe like
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 21: a the enemy you know in a bag. Maybe Nick Keley,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 21: some of these guys like what is the chance that
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 21: maybe we can get that farmhouse where we once had
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 21: that system where we can just repunished guys up? What
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 21: do you think the GIRO take moving forward? And I'll
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 21: take it off the line.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks, okay, thanks sir.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 6: There, I don't know. I mean what Nick Kelly has
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 6: gone one year.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 7: I mean I like him.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 6: I just I question if that's enough of a shift.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: For people bring him up as an offensive But.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 7: He's gonna come here and teach the new offense to everybody.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 7: After just one year as whatever he was.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 10: There the offense, I had to bring him back as
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 10: Liken's coach again.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: He wasn't it He with the Raiders, Nick Kelly, he
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: didn't go to the he's with the Rams. Oh yeah,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: then that would be even more interested in him.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 10: Yeah no, I mean I'd much rather try to poach
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 10: Zack Robinson.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. And we could always bring back Bill
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: because he would really like Zach Robinson because he covered
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: kicks when he was a rookie. What a back covering kicks.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 10: That's really impressive.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Williams practice.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: Them?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 8: Okay?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 19: How the team going over there?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: Y'all?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 10: Okay, I'm not great, William. Have you seen the football
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 10: team lately?
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: William Evan wants a GM.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 11: I would like to stop stop snow trying.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 10: We're trying together because we're brave, right.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 19: I don't know where to begin because I have so
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 19: many tastes and I know it's like one forty five.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 19: I know you're about to be done, so I'll just
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 19: start with this one day, Evan, you said someone catch
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 19: twenty two that Jayson Daniels is something like justin Fields.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 19: So my take to you is, Okay, if the if
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 19: the Patriots, I'm not saying that I want this to
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 19: happen that I don't want nobody around the but if
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 19: they did take Marvin Harrison Junior, you wouldn't trade see
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 19: what in the second round basically to get a Justin
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 19: Fields seeing you saying Jay and Dan's is almost like
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 19: him or somewhat of it has some of historys Uh.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 10: I don't know. I guess like if it's a second
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 10: maybe I think about it, but I just would Justin Fields,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 10: I just feel like if it was going to click
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 10: for him as a complete passer, it would have clicked.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 10: It's kind of like what we were talking about earlier,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 10: like you would have seen it by now. And I
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 10: just yeah, I just I just don't. It's very rare
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 10: that a guy like five six years in now it happens.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 10: You know, Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith, those guys have done
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 10: it a little bit, I guess, but it's pretty rare
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 10: that it just all of a sudden comes together for
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 10: a guy like that.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 19: Okay, one last question this foot fall. Well, I see
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 19: that you are very much into trading damp Okay, so
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 19: can you give me a scenario what it would look
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 19: like as far as okay, we trade down with whatever team,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 19: what would we get back and return other than they
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 19: are picking the first round? What else would we get?
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it's it's a possibility if you
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: don't have a quarterback. If a quarterback is not there
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: at three, I would be listening to offers. But yeah,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: you get maybe a first round pick next year and
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: a second round pick this year.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: You could.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, depending on how far that team wants to
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: move you can get. Obviously, the bigger jump a team makes,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: the more you're gonna get. But the more then you're
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: gonna drop right right. But like that, that to me
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: is okay because I don't need alt Or for Shanu.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: I can get another tackle, you know, at eleven, I
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: don't need to get the best tackle quarterback. I want
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: my pick of the litter, you know. Like that, that's
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: a little bit different.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: You gotta love them. Thanks will Let's see, But.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily you know, that's gung hope for trading
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: trading down. I just think it's if if Williams and
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: Mago won two and you're not sold on Daniels, I
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: think that's in play.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 6: There might be some interest to that pick. I mean,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: you've got because someone is going to be there.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: Because someone will be interested in Daniels, and a team
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: that maybe already has a quarterback might strongly be interested
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: in Harrison or Nabs.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 10: So last year, the Cardinals traded down exactly from three, right,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 10: they went from three to twelve. Now that's a little
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 10: bit far from me.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the Houston pick.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 10: But right, so that's the Houston pick. So they got
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 10: for number three, they got number twelve, number thirty three,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 10: a twenty twenty four first rounder, and a twenty twenty
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 10: four to third rounder for number three and number one
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 10: oh five.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: That's that's the Hall. But that's what I'm talking about.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: That's nine spots though, But I'd be interested in that
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: if I had decided I don't really like Daniels, Right,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: So what they did, I like Daniels. I'm staying put
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: and taking because then they traded back up from twelve.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: So they used what they got, ycause.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 10: To trade back up like three or four spots to
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 10: take Paris Johnson at like seven or something like that.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: So it sounds good.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 12: That's a hall.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, when you're a team like the Patriots right
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 6: now it's it's and they short on draft pick two
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: first rounders next year.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, I like that.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: Gino from Jersey. Uh just wanted to point out what
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: you guys said earlier about drafting Harrison and ending up
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: like the Jets with Wilson. Why can't we go the
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers route and get the players first for
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: any quarterback to succeed. I know it might be difficult
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: because you'd have to draft right and develop players, but
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: if we're patient enough, the payoff could be amazing. What's
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: your opinion?
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, So that is a possibility, and that is something
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: that a lot of people talk about. So what do
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: you think of Breis Hall as a player? What do
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: you think of Garrett Wilson, Jeremiah Johnson? There's pretty good players,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: Jermaine call them Jeremiah Jermaine Johnson, you know. But Quentin
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: Williams would be another one. So the Jets are an
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: example of the Niners. They're trying to get everything quarterback proof,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: but they don't have a quarterback.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: And how long can you keep the quarterback play together?
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: So they did the same thing that the Niners did,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: only they did it at two instead of three, same draft,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: same bust. It's hard. And if Brock Purdy was no good,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: I'm not arguing with you. If he was no good
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: at all, they would not be a super Bowl threat.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: If he was Zach Wilson playing like Zach Wilson with
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: the Jets, they would not be a threat to go
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: to the super Bowl.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 10: Would have Zach Wilson playing like a kid.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: That's a different argument. I'm just kidding, no, But but
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: that's a different argument. And that might be true. And
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot to be said about these
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks getting in different spots and that can make a
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: big imprint on I think Bill helped Tom. I don't
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: think Brady would have been Brady just anywhere.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 10: I think that that's such a big part of it
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 10: is it's I always say it all like I say
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 10: too much, but like it's nurturing, right, Like it's not
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 10: just all these guys got talent, like Jayden Daniels, Drake
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 10: may Kayla, like all the three of them have an
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 10: immense amount of talent.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: The question is I just feel like everybody talks about, well,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: build the team and then put the quarterback in it.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: And they mentioned San Francisco. They mentioned Philadelphia. No one
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: mentions the other teams that try to do it. It
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: doesn't work like the Jets. The Jets have hit on
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of picks, Sauce Gardner, He
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: any good, all pro like, they've hit on a lot
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: of their picks. They've done what the Niners did. But
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: they don't have a quarterback. So I know they're trying
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: to PLoP Aaron Rodgers in and we'll see what happens.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: It might work, But to.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 10: Douce his point too, like reality is, that's not all
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 10: that sustainable because eventually guys get expensive, the roster starts
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 10: to age out, things happen, and.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: It's really hard to hit every time, right, So it's
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: way harder to do what the Niners did personnel wise
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: than it is to hit on Joe Burrow the Niners.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 10: As much as I make fun of Brock Party, like,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 10: at least brock Purty's young, right, and they have him
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 10: on the rookie contract for the foreseeable future, so they
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 10: get that benefit. But like a team like the Jets,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 10: if it works, it's gonna work for like one year.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Aaron, Because Zach Wilson didn't work right, absolutely.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: All right, it's been a good show. We got to
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: end a little early. But tomorrow at noon is the
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: Girodmeo presser. Do we have playbook tomorrow or no? No playbook,
• 1:53:16
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• 1:53:19
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• 1:53:23
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