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Silicon Valley CEO: The US Social Credit System is ALREADY Here… and It’s WORSE Than China · Man in America Podcast

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Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. We've talked a lot about the social credit score system, and as the great reset rolls out, moves forward, the fourth industrial revolution, all that stuff just keeps pushing forward, a lot more people are discovering the true threat of a digital technocracy, especially especially the social credit score system. Now the country that we've often referenced has been Mainland China. You look at how they live over there, they've got cameras everywhere, they've got a surveillance state like you can't imagine, but at the center of that is that social credit score system in which every person is being monitored as to how well they fit into what the communist government defines as the ideal citizen.
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Now here in America, we look around and think, well, thank goodness we're not communist China. But according to my guest today, Ahman Jabi, who is a Silicon Valley Veteran and a tech entrepreneur, what he's saying is that the social credit score system in the digital prison in America is actually in many ways even more advanced than what it is in China. It's just that most people don't know about it. So this is gonna be an interesting conversation, especially with some of the more recent re you know, revelations coming out about the advancements in CBDC, the unified ledger with the BIS, the Bank of International Settlements, and how it all or settlements and how it all fits in together. So folks, please enjoy this interview with Aman Jabi.
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Aman, thank you so much for joining us today. It's an honor to have you here on the show.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.
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Seth Holehouse: Of course. So I first came across you on an interview you did with Maria Z. And you were going really deep into the actual technology of The Great Reset. And a lot of people talk about The Great Reset. They talk about technocracy, social credit systems, but you were coming at it from a very deep knowledge of this technology and how it would work.
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And so there's obviously a lot that's happened since then that we can be digging into, but why don't you first just give us a brief background of you and your history with especially within technology in Silicon Valley.
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Speaker 2: Happy to do that. So I spent twenty five plus years in Silicon Valley, and I was deeply involved with a lot of the key technologies, that were being developed there from the early nineties. My specialty is in computer vision, computer graphics, imaging, video, and cameras primarily. So my entire professional career was doing things in visual computing. I also founded two camera startup companies that gave me a much better insight into how the money flows from, you know, venture capital into entrepreneurship and startup companies and started to get a much better understanding of, you know, how things actually functioned behind the scenes.
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One of my startup companies also had investment from In Q Tel, a venture capital arm of the CIA. And so I was quite deeply involved in a lot of interesting technologies at the time, from drones to, you know, flying cameras, mobile computing and mobile array cameras. And so I got to see a lot. As the years went by, as I got more mature, I used to ask a lot of questions within myself about why things are happening the way they are. And over the last several years, you know, things have started to come together, and I started to connect the dots as to how tech and Silicon Valley are being used to build our own digital prison, amongst other, you know, markets and sectors just like, you know, Wall Street and fintech and the pharma and medical systems.
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But I think the technology industry is at the heart of it because in order to enslave us in the direction we are going, it's going to be a digital prison and technology is the key pillar that is needed to actually make it happen. Because if the technology fails, everything fails.
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Seth Holehouse: And so So that's
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Speaker 2: how I came to, you know, my understanding of how things are working. And I actually left Silicon Valley 3 Years ago. I moved to Northwest Montana. I noticed people here were more aware, but still they did not have a deep understanding of how it's also going to be implemented in Montana and every other state in America. And so I started to make presentations and have discussions locally here.
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I realized that until I do something different, I wouldn't be able to get my message across, and that's why I started to work on a presentation which was visual and simple and connected the dots. And then as my message started to then, you know, be heard locally, and then with the Maria Z interview, I think I got a lot of interest from people around the world. So here I am now.
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Seth Holehouse: And so this digital prison, you know, how I understand it is that, you know, throughout history, there's always been individuals that get a lot of power. And you know, it's where do you stop? And there's always this aspiration of world control. And with a world of this, you know, many, many billions of people, you wouldn't be able to control this whole world in the same way that say that, you know, the Soviet Union was under control, where you have troops and guns and prisons, that's the way of control. The only way that they could possibly bring this whole world under a central control is through the use of technology.
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And so when you talk about the foundation of this digital prison and how technology is really at the forefront of that, what are the different pillars of how they control us? Because right now, for instance, for me, I'm living in Ohio. And, you know, I use technology all the time. I have an iPhone, I have a Apple TV, I have MacBook, I have new car that has whatever technology the new car has. And I may not feel like I'm in some sort of prison.
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But I think that's part of the idea, right? That we may we don't really even know how far they've led us into this prison. And so what does that prison look like?
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Speaker 2: So the way to think about it is there's a couple of layers. It's a fairly complex thing, but I'm gonna try and simplify it with a couple of layers. At the heart of implementing this prism is your identity, and your identity comes from your unique, facial features. And that is how I kind of started my thought process of presenting last year through facial recognition. And your face and your biometrics in general are going to be mapping to a unique identity, which is your digital identity, which is what the World Economic Forum and the United Nations want to implement for every soul in the world.
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Of course, it's on the pretext of inclusivity and equality, etcetera. But, really, once you have a digital ID and your activities in the world are linked to your digital ID, that can be controlled by virtue of a digital currency. So it is an attempt being done, and it's already started in, you know, so called central banks around the world and the Bank of International Settlements. They call it a central banking digital currency. It's not legitimate, just like the US dollar is not legitimate.
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But by talking about it as a central bank, when most people don't know that central banks are all illegal and illegitimate and fraudulent, they believe that the digital currency will be legitimate. And that digital currency will have multiple components to it, and they'll map again directly to your digital ID. So it'll have social credit scores. So people keep saying, look, China has social credit scores. It's coming to America now.
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It's already here. It's just that we haven't been given an app telling us our social credit scores. So we are being scored right now in real time for the last few years. There's also carbon tracking going on. Right?
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Whatever we consume through our credit cards, through our airline tickets, through shopping, whatever, It's all being tracked, and there is a carbon score being put against you. And with that carbon footprint, it'll be also mapped to your central banking digital currency and potentially your medical status and your jab status, etcetera. So your digital currency linked to your digital ID is a currency of control and a currency of compliance because all these digital currencies will have something called smart contracts, which means it's all about conditional access. So if you have consumed more than so much carbon footprint for the months, you won't be able to access mobility, or you won't be able to call an Uber. You won't be able to buy gas.
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So this digital prison is really about conditional access. Everything is restricted until you can prove otherwise through the currency you have, which is mapped to your digital ID. And everywhere you need access, there will be three d cameras looking at your face. So doors won't open. Your car won't start.
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You know, you may not be able to get out of your apartment by virtue of a smart lock with a camera. So think of it as you're not inside a cell, but everything is a cell that you need to is inside a cell that you need to access. And so it's going to become a society of restrictions and permissions that you always need to to have or do to access anything in life, including communicating with your loved ones or accessing the Internet. So that's the digital prism that I talk about. And so when they talk about digitalization, which is a word being thrown about in the last three years, you know, from the UN and the Sustainable Development Goal think tanks and consulting companies, digitalization is not really about digitizing the world in the real world sense.
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It's about conditional access. It's about a zero trust world. By default, no citizen is to be trusted. So everything is zero trust. And so you have to prove your innocence by virtue of your digital currency to gain access to anything.
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And if I can go a layer deeper if you want, or we can continue in another direction. No. Please do. Go a layer deeper? Okay.
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So if one goes and studies the digital transformation, there's a digital transformation in play right now. Okay? It's a phrase, and everyone thinks it's about moving from low tech to high-tech. It's not really about that. There are five pillars to the digital transformation, and so people should think through this on how data flows from the real world of, you know, light and images and photons to the digital prism.
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Right? So it's it's almost like I was thinking the other day. They have found a way to monetize every photon of light, And it's coming through the IoT and sensors. So the IoT is the Internet of Things. So the first pillar of the transformation is the Internet of Things.
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That means all the sensors, cameras, and radars, and microphones, and every object with a digital ID that can send data through the network via the IoT. So that's the first pillar of the transformation. Where does the data go? It goes into the clouds, which is basically a bunch of servers and computers that you cannot see. Who are the people who run most of the clouds in the world, who own the clouds as Amazon Web Services, Google Cloud, Apple iCloud, Dropbox, Microsoft Azure systems.
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So you can tell who owns the cloud. Cloud is the second pillar of the transformation. What happens in the cloud? Whenever the data goes in the name of security and safety for your data and for everybody else's data on the cloud, they scan that data. And the data is scanned by artificial intelligence software algorithms running in the clouds, and the AI algorithms can do whatever it wants with the data as long as it's not so called leaked to other people or other companies.
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So AI is the third pillar of the transformation. What happens to the data after AI scans it and makes meaning of it? It takes all the sensible stuff from the AI process data and puts it onto a blockchain. And a blockchain is a digital ledger in the clouds, which is the fourth pillar of the digital transformation. So you see how it's going?
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We've gone from IoT to cloud to AI algorithms to blockchain. What happens to that data on the blockchain? It is the data on the blockchain will be mapped to the digital ID of you, me, of every object in the world. So it's kind of an almost like an infinitely increasing data center. It's immutable.
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No human being can look at it. The stakeholders can modify it. They say it's decentralized, but actually, there's a lot of inversion in language even in the blockchain world just like there is in the sustainable development goals. And then once that data is stored, when you want to access something in the real world, the cybersecurity prison guards that implement the Zero Trust algorithm is the fifth pillar of the transformation. So IoT, cloud, AI, blockchain, and cybersecurity.
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So that kind of gives a mapping of what the digital transformation is going to be in this particular world of zero trust.
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Seth Holehouse: Alright, folks. I've got a quick message for you. I have one simple question. If today you could no longer go purchase more food for your family with the food stores that you have in your home how long would you be able to feed your family? Would it be a week, three weeks, a month, two months, a year?
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This is a really important question folks that we have to be very realistic about because the elites are proactively trying to put us into a state of food crisis and a state of famine. I'm sure you've seen all of the different food processing plants and farms that are blowing up. You've got cattle dying by the tens of thousands. They're proactively trying to collapse our food system because they know if they can control our food, they can control us. And so one of the best ways to be outside of their control is to be able to have our own stores of food and to be able to produce our own food.
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So there's really two things I would recommend. One is having heirloom seeds that you can grow your own food with, making sure that they're non GMO heirloom seeds that that way you can harvest your seeds this year, use them next year. You can use these seeds for generations. Literally, it's how it will work. The other thing though is this high quality storable food.
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This is food that's sitting somewhere, it's hidden in your basement, buried in your backyard, whatever it ever it is. So that way if there is a crisis, if there is an emergency, you might have three months set aside to get through that time period. And so for this, I would highly recommend a company called Heaven's Harvest. This is an amazing Christian owned patriot company, and what they're doing is they're making high quality storable food. Again, lot of the food companies, they say these food buckets, they're all about maximizing calories per dollar.
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They're filling the buckets with a bunch of filler and junk like sweet beverages, etcetera. But Heaven's Harvest, they focus on very high quality food that will last up to twenty five years on the shelf. They also sell heirloom seeds. You can buy all of your seed, you can buy all of your restorable food. And look folks, personally, I would recommend having at least three months per person in your household, if not six months or even a year.
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And so basically, how I understand that transformation is that it's almost a cycle of going from the physical, my actions here in this world, which are then being, that data of my actions is being taken through the Internet of Things, cycled up into the cloud, analyzed blockchain, and it comes back into the physical again with a
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Speaker 2: rule saying Excellent. That's a very good, that's a very good way to kind of summarize it.
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Seth Holehouse: And so
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Speaker 2: Now there's Yeah, go ahead. No. What I
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Seth Holehouse: just saying, so I'm basically imagining like that's constantly happening where there's, it's this feedback loop, you know, I'm doing something, maybe I'm having a conversation with you and there's an iPhone sitting on my desk next to me, it's recording our conversations, uploading that data to a cloud, that cloud is being analyzed that data, you know, that it's being interpreted, the AI is saying, okay, this is the conversation, this is the meaning of the word, this is the emotional meaning, it's being interpreted, put in the blockchain, and basically an hour conversation might lead me to then I want to go say tomorrow, I'm going to go buy a house and I go to the loan officer and they play they do a face scan, and that accesses my, the digital kind of ID of me. And it says, Oh, this person because of they may not tell you why, but because of our conversation and our we have keywords in here say we're talking about Orwellian government or anarchy or whatever it is, they might then that feedback loop comes back into that decision where I can no longer access funding to buy a home because of what happened once my data was run through that system.
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Speaker 2: Precisely. Precisely. And those variables which reduce your so called currency of compliance or your social credits within the digital currency, those can be modified to manipulate society and manipulate structures in society. You see, it's kind of what they call a cybernetic loop. And in fact, there's a recent book somebody shared with me on Facebook called Human Computation.
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So you can actually shape societies and structures within society through this feedback loop by just observing data. And that's why data, they say, is the new oil because it has so much information, and that information is being monetized. Right? It's being monitored, managed, monetized, analyzed all the time. So it's it's a new way of how society is going to function in the initial phase of this digital transformation and the great reset.
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Then there's a deeper layer even beyond that, which is if people have studied what the fourth industrial revolution is, right? The fourth industrial revolution is now going to be taking this so called digital transformation, society and move it into a digitized world. So there is a concept of digitalization, which we just spoke about. And there's another concept called digitization, which has been around for decades. And that's taking an analog signal, digitizing it for the digital world, and then you can take the entire mapping of the earth, of cities, of yourself, and build digital twins of everything, of every structure in the world.
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And then the goal is to put on virtual reality or augmented reality headsets and start living a different life within that digitized world. So there there are layers and layers of complexity and, I would say, deception that the world is being nudged into and, in some cases, forced into by virtue of modification of structures within society.
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Seth Holehouse: And so you mentioned that there's this discussion of the social credit score in China, which is something I've talked about quite a bit. And you said that that already exists here in America. So right now, you know, as let's just say I'm a typical American looking around, you know, I might know that Facebook has data on me, Google has data on me, but I look at it in silos. I'm looking at it as, okay, this one company I've interacted with digitally, they've collected information on me they use to sell to advertisers, etc. Or maybe to program the algorithm of Twitter, so I keep scrolling and you know, don't leave the app.
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But what you're saying though, is that there's something it seems to be much, much deeper and more comprehensive so that, I mean, there so my digital profile, are you saying that somewhere it exists, and I've got a social credit score already, I'm already in some sort of category, I'd probably be in some sort of category of extremist that questions the government, right, just by virtue of what I do and the fact that I'm doing my speaking on a digital device. So is that already in existence? And what's that look like? And who has access to that?
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Speaker 2: So I personally, I don't think there is a one single central repository yet. However, the way it'll work is in real time. It's so for instance, I'm associating with you, and since you you've been considered a terrorist, domestic terrorist because you ask questions of the government, my social score is going down. And my social score was already low, and you associated with me, so yours will go down further. So this is something that's happening in real time.
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Right? So as I said, when you go next time now while it's happening in real time, this conversation think of all the stakeholders or private corporations that are currently sucking up data during this conversation. It's the people who own so I'm on an Apple computer, right? So chances are Apple is able to access much of this particular conversation. Zoom servers in China are able to access our conversation.
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If you're on a Microsoft machine, they are able to access our information. So multiple so called stakeholders are in real time updating and recomputing your digital value and your digital currency. So now let's say if I go to Kmart, right, and I want to buy bullets or I want to buy milk, does Kmart have access to my latest information on my digital currency? No. But if they want to sell me something, they need to validate that I'm a good doobie.
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So the Walmart computer then has to pay somebody in the cloud to get my latest information in order to validate their Zero Trust implementation version in their stores or on their websites. So that's how it's going to work. So there's a lot of transactions going on in real time in the cloud whenever you need to access something. And there's a chain of corporations making real time money through this digital transformation. And so the more activities you do, the more data that is sucked up into the cloud through the IoT, the more money various corporations are making.
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It's a very clear, clever way that the new international economic order is also being transformed. Right? The financial system in the world as we know it is in the process of transformation. And this is called the new international economic order. So at a very macro scale, if people want to see what's going on in the world, there's the new international economic order, which is the financial system, and then this is the there's the fourth industrial revolution, which is taking us into this so called biodigital convergence, the merging of, you know, our digital cells, our biological cells, the physical worlds.
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So it's fairly complex, but, you know, it can be broken down. And, you know, there's a lot of information out there now on the web since people have been talking about it, extensively lately.
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Seth Holehouse: And so in America, obviously, we've seen the videos and pictures of China where they've got millions of cameras. Every intersection has dozens of cameras. There's cameras everywhere. But here in America, I'm seeing I'm seeing more cameras showing up. I'm seeing a lot of five gs towers going up everywhere.
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What is what is the infrastructure look like already here in America? Is it is it just as developed as it is in China, only it's more covert and we're not aware of it? Or is China much further ahead? Or how would you describe what we are here in America?
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Speaker 2: So at the back end, at the in terms of cloud and AI, we are as far ahead or even more ahead than China. It's just at the IoT level. China I was in China in 2019, September, in fact, for an optics conference. And I was there for a week, and I noticed the number of cameras everywhere. It was pretty shocking.
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Then in 2020, in San Francisco, I started seeing a similar infrastructure go up. And the few times I've been to a couple of big cities since then, and then I was in India also, The infrastructures everywhere in big cities and dense areas is going up significantly. In the rural areas, it's coming slower, but it's gonna come. It's incrementalism. They're not going to leave anybody outside the digital prison.
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At least they're going to try their very best to keep everybody inside a digital prison. So people should be very aware. If you've got one camera at an intersection in your little village of 5,000 people, The second will come, and then the fifth will come. And before you know it, there'll be cameras and LED lights and other infrastructure in place to capture your data and control you. And it's really important that people push back.
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And in Montana, I've been trying to raise awareness now for quite some time, but there's no fight here, unfortunately. I've been working with a group in Northern Idaho, and they seem to be far more freedom loving people, and they are fighting pretty hard to take down a data center and cameras where they live. So they're having more success than anybody else I've seen around the country. There are pockets here and there in Utah and Florida, but nobody seems to have meaningful success. And part of the reason is because they're trying to undo what's being done within society by the same illegal means as to how it was done in a sense because people don't understand that in America, don't have representative government.
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So this might be kind of taking the conversation to a different direction, but they're all linked because we don't have representative government at, you know, federal, state, or local level. And so one cannot legislate one's way out of what is happening with the infrastructure and the digital prison because it's been done through our US constitution by virtue of the supremacy clause, And I don't know if your viewers are familiar with the agenda 21, which was signed in 1992. It's a treaty with the United Nations. And our supremacy clause of the US constitution says that when treaties are signed, they become supreme law of the land and all state constitution, and the US constitution itself is overridden by treaties. So, essentially, what is being done today is legal and lawful within the framework of our own constitution.
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Seth Holehouse: Now you mentioned the the street lights, which is something I've noticed. You're just driving and you'll see these new street lights, but you'll see a lot of them, they have almost a black light looking color to them, almost a purple bulb. And it's it's not sure if those are exactly what you're talking about. But I know that they're bringing a lot of technology into these everyday items. So the street lamps in particular, what can you tell us about those?
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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of things about these LED streetlights. I have not personally seen any purple streetlights here in Montana or anywhere else. I have seen some videos and pictures that people have posted or sent me. I have a theory why they're doing that, and I suspect I'm right. So my theory is as follows.
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All the LED street or most of the LED streetlights that you will see, they appear to be white in color. However, they are all blue LED lights, which means the blue frequency is approximately four seventy or four eighty nanometer wavelength frequency. And what they do is they can coat it with some sort of filter to give the appearance that it's a yellow LED or a white LED. But really, the frequency is still at a blue frequency, which is really bad for your eyesight. Know, LED lamps, blue LED lights, they cause macular degeneration, they cause retinal damage, and with all the flicker frequency, it's basically an artificial light which is really bad for your health overall.
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Long term, we don't even know how bad it's going to be, but it's going to en masse worldwide, America wide, having LED lights everywhere is basically going to create a population of weak eyesight. And a population with weak eyesight cannot form a resistance long term. So that's one thing. But going back to the theory is, I think they're putting these blue lights every now and then, and then they're coming up with an explanation through mainstream media that those were defective defective batch batch of lights went up. And so blue is bad.
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We'll replace them with white, but nobody knows that the white is actually blue. So this is how they do it. You know? It's kind of they'll throw red herrings, and they'll get a reaction problem reaction solution, and then, you know, they'll solve the problem by putting blue LEDs under a white force, you know, coating.
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Seth Holehouse: I see. I see.
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Speaker 2: So these LED lights are also a critical part of your smart city infrastructure because they are used not only to aid cameras to see well at in dark places and at night. They are also wireless computers unto themselves. And they wirelessly communicate with each other, and they part they form part of the entire wireless network over every city over the earth that is needed to suck up data, right? Then people should do some research on a relatively new technology called LiFi. So Wi Fi, we have Wi Fi as wireless fidelity.
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You know, it's a wireless technology to connect devices and IoT structures along with five gs. Li Fi is going to be within your homes, within offices. External streetlights potentially could also be using LiFi in the future. I don't know about that yet. But LiFi is essentially a two way communication channel between the light and your device.
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They could be communicating with your car, your automobiles and wireless, you know, or your autonomous driving vehicles in the future. So there's a there's a lot of, you know, technology that is in place in The US that is invisible to people. Like, for most people, a streetlight is just a streetlight. But an LED light combined with a radar at an intersection can see a person with an AR fifteen three hundred yards away, and they can do that in microseconds or milliseconds. So there are people that say, oh, we'll just shoot the LED lights.
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They you won't be able to shoot an LED light. The LED light can have such high amplification factors. Some of them could be turned into lasers. Many LED lights specifications have drone charging stations on top of them. So there's a lot of insidious stuff that is happening with the smart city infrastructure.
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So Americans should not be thinking that, oh, we are nowhere near China. In many ways, we are ahead of China in this whole totalitarian, communitarian system that's being set up here too. It's a worldwide it's a worldwide plan. It's coming from the United Nations. It's a sustainable development goals.
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People should study that and, you know, see the inversion in language.
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Seth Holehouse: And so the treaties and and, you know, the pandemic treaty, for instance, the different treaties that have been signed on behalf of our country, you know, to these globalist organizations like the UN, the WHO, etc. That with this infrastructure being in place, that it sounds like that what they've been doing is it's almost as if someone's sleeping, and you're building a cage around them as they're sleeping. And you don't want them to wake up and realize the cage is being built because if you can wait till the until the cage is finished, it doesn't matter if they wake up because the cage is already in place. So it's almost as if what they've been doing is, I think in a lot of ways, distracting us. Everyone's been really focused on the LGBTQ, what's happening in DC, what's happening in Ukraine, which I'm not I'm not saying those are all not important issues, but to me, central bank digital currency, technocracy, you know, some of these items, I think are much greater threats because these are the tools of our own imprisonment.
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And so, do you think that they're just waiting for that right moment, and maybe it's sometime next year or sometime in the future where the next pandemic rolls out, and now all of a sudden, all the structures that COVID allowed them to put into place, all the treaties, all the new legislation, that then it becomes time to activate that and that we might see very quickly that that digital prison that's around us right now all of a sudden becomes a very real, very, very strong reality for people?
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Speaker 2: So I think no. I don't think it's going to happen like that. I think there's not going to be one big switch. There's going to be a series of little switches. And I don't think the majority of the people will realize that they are in that final digital prison when it happens because it's happening incrementally.
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So I suspect less than 1015% of the Americans will even know that they are in a digital prison when it happens. How many people know that they live currently in a different sort of slavery system? Today, we are in a debt slavery system system by virtue of the Federal Reserve Bank, and we are being transitioned into an identity slavery system. That's how I look at it. So let's say, how many people in America today know that they are slaves?
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Because most Americans that I know, they think they live in the freest country in the world. And I don't believe we are a free country at all. We are in a slavery system. We need permission for everything. The difference between the permissions in the current slavery system is we take permission to drive our car once a year, where we go and pay our registration and we give money to the DMV.
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Once a year, we have to do that. And then you can drive for the year. In the new system, through your digital ID, it'll be real time permission to drive your car. Right? You pay taxes once a year to the feds and the state governments, which are also illegal, but anyway, and then you can continue your business for the rest of the year.
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In the identity slavery system, you'll be paying taxes in real time ultimately once the system is in steady state. Right? So we're just going from one slavery system to the next. And so to counter to what you said is, don't believe most people will know that they've arrived in a digital prison when they do. And for those who do know, it will be too late.
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And for those who know now and are not fighting, you are partly responsible for going into that prison. So So the key here is yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.
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Seth Holehouse: It's okay. I'll let you finish with your key. I wanted to to shift a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Okay. So the one of the things, if we go back to the digital transformation, I just wanna bring that up, because it's important to understand where the fight and the resistance can be and what we need to do locally. I talked about the five pillars of the digital transformation from IoT, cloud, AI, blockchain, and cybersecurity. We have no control of the last four. But we can physically see, touch, and undo the hardware infrastructure that is connected as the IoT.
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So that's the cameras, the LED lights, the microwave towers. So locally, if you want to live free outside a digital prison, what can we do? It's to undo all the hardware infrastructure of the smart cities. And that's where the fight needs to be. Everything else in the digital world is impossible to crack because it's software owned by private corporations.
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Now, are other angles that we can fight against the insidious, creeping, sustainable development goals, that are being implemented locally through organizations like EQUI and other NGOs. And that is by understanding all the contracts that have been put in place under the guise of public private partnerships, which is one of the ways that the corporate law takes over our local governments that we think represent us. And so it's really important locally to start educating yourselves on how local governments are being usurped by private public corporations and really getting converted into private corporations. And once you are inside the private corporation, essentially, it becomes part of the universal commercial code or corporate law, and you can't win there.
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Seth Holehouse: So I wanted to talk about central bank digital currency and and get your just your perspective about currency. They can generate, you know, a hundred trillion tokens if they want to, and they can give them out to everybody and say, you know, 10 tokens will buy you a loaf of bread. Right? So it gives them complete control of this programmable currency that these with these tokens they can distribute. But right now, especially here in America, you know, we're to having our assets, our bank account, our four zero one k, etcetera.
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So for this, I know that for this technocracy to really be working and to really be put into place, and I've been studying recently a lot the, the BIS, the, I think it's the what is it called? The ledger, something ledger. Anyway, their their ledger system, right? I forget the first word, where it's really it's built off the back of central bank digital currency. And they talk about that in their papers for it.
44:46
So how do you what how do you think that they're gonna force people away from really having sovereign independent money, you know, like a silver coin, for instance, that I can use to trade for, know, two gallons of milk, hypothetically? How would they force people into this central bank digital currency?
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Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna force anyone. I think it's going to be done incrementally. Although, I should I wouldn't shouldn't say I it they won't force anyone. They did so in India with a system called Aadhaar. Are you familiar with the Aadhaar system?
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Seth Holehouse: No. I know some of the African countries, what they did, but I wasn't familiar with what they did in India.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. What they did was they had a big monetary shock system a few years ago in India where they basically disallowed certain currency notes in the system, and then people couldn't buy on a regular basis. There was bank runs, they didn't have enough notes of other currencies and stuff. So they used that to give a free application for money transfer between cell phones to be able to buy at the local market. And then from there, slowly and surely, they started making that a requirement to open a bank account to pay your taxes and stuff.
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So they, in a sense, forced people there. Like, I can't have a bank account in India because I refuse to take their version of a digital identity. So a lot of stuff like that. But locally, they are going to do it through different methods. They're going to use multiple means of introducing this transfer and transition from the current currency system to the digital currency or CBDC system.
46:38
You must be familiar that there's been talk of UBI going on for a long time, universal basic income. So in early last year, in March, at the beginning of the Ukraine stuff war, they gave all the Ukrainians got an app, and they got a UBI equivalent so that they could make donations to the Ukrainian military people who are fighting for them. So they'll give you free money. So they started giving UBI in parts of California. For instance, if you declare yourself a trans in San Francisco or Palm Beach, California, you will get some universal basic income of $800 or something.
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Now over time, as the quarters go by, they'll just say, now we're going to give it to you in tokens. And those tokens will be digital. And then eventually, the tokens will be linked to you being a good social doobie. It may be linked to your water usage. It may be linked to your carbon usage.
47:36
It may be linked to your social behavior or any other thing. Right? They introduced this movie recently, which has become a big blockbuster film. What is that all about? They've been amplifying the child traffic child trafficking movie.
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What was it called?
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Seth Holehouse: Sound of Freedom.
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Speaker 2: Sound of Freedom. Right? And that's become very popular. And it's just another Trojan horse. It has nothing to do with child trafficking.
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It has everything to do with fear pawn, with parents who will then accept the digital ID for their kids so that the kids can be tracked. And then for adults, because they'll say, hey, that person is a pedophile. We need to track all adults. So that movie has nothing to do with freedom or child trafficking. It's a Trojan horse to get a digital identity.
48:29
Now, what are they doing with I just saw an ad a couple of days ago by T Mobile, where they show this little girl when she's in the future when she's, say, 20 years old. And AI has made a 20 year old model of her face and her body based on predictions based on all the social media data that the parents were posting. Right? And so T Mobile says AI is going to now create a lot of problems for for all your children. So guess what?
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Digital ID for your safety and security. And once you get a digital ID, it'll be linked to tokens and a CBDC. So this is how they'll bring it in. Tomorrow, they're gonna have another they had CyberPolygon a couple of years ago. Right?
49:19
It's about crashing the Internet, and they're going to have a lot of false flag operations where data is being hacked through your bank or through your hospitals and your medical data is being hacked. These are all false flag operations to create a fear pawn and justification so that the corporations that you go through for your Internet access, for your banking, for your medical centers, they will start pushing the digital ID. It's not central banks. I think central CBDC is really, again, a red herring to give people the illusion that you have legitimate banking, whether it's in the Federal Reserve current system or in the future system. These are all private corporations.
50:03
BIS, United Nations, Federal Reserve Bank, the Bank of England, they're all private corporations. They're not legitimate representative bodies of government. So people need to reverse engineer their understanding of money and government before they can understand how to resist it effectively.
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Seth Holehouse: And that's one of the big questions that I have. So my wife and I were quite aware of these things. We're following a lot of what you're doing and just, you know, we've got Klaus Schwab's book and we were really trying to fight back in the ways that we can. You know, for one thing is we don't buy smart objects, whether it's a smart fridge or, you know, they wanted us to get a nest installed for our air control and said, No, I want a dumb one. I've got a smartphone, unfortunately.
51:01
But, you know, we're trying in the ways that we can within our household to not allow those things into our household. So for everyday people just going about their life, obviously getting involved at a local level, you're trying to push back about the installation of these things in our communities. But in terms of our everyday life, what are the ways that we can resist? And what are some of things that you're doing to resist, especially this encroachment of the IoT, which seems to be like the the battle that we can fight is in this realm, which is the fight against the IoT. Right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So at at a personal level, minimize your use of smart devices and, you know, these wireless it's like avoid using Wi Fi in your house because it'll make you sick long term. Right? Minimize your use of smartphone. I usually just carry a Faraday bag most of the time when I'm unless I really need to use my phone.
52:01
You know? A Faraday bag is something that basically cuts off all the wireless communication between your phone and whether it's a Wi Fi router or a cell signal. So at a personal level, we can do a few things, but I think what I'm doing is trying to focus on raising awareness and building a freedom loving movement here in order to raise awareness about the smart city and hardware infrastructure and get in the faces of, you know, all the so called authorities who are allowing this to happen. I've gone as far as giving presentations to, you know, all the or most of the state senators in Montana. I've spoken to city council and county commissioners in two counties here.
52:44
Unfortunately, they are not really on our side. I think they've signed away the rights of Montanans. And probably everywhere in every state, it's the same thing. So what do we need to do to get rid of the hardware infrastructure? Obviously, raise awareness, but we we need numbers.
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Like, 10 people being aware and doing something is not good enough. You need a thousand. Right? We need 2,000. We need 5,000.
53:14
Like, if we should be in the faces of all these people so that we can do undo this infrastructure. I believe it can be undone. The probability seems minuscule given how Americans are not rising up, unfortunately. They're still folk most of the peep many of the people that I know locally, they are still focused on Trump versus Biden and all that stuff. And they don't understand that it's not gonna make one iota of a difference.
53:45
It's it's all theater for keeping them looking the other way. So it's really important, I think, that Americans wake up and understand that they don't have representative government, and China and Russia are not the enemy. The enemy is the United Nations and the other, you know, so called globalist agencies, which are all private corporations who are run behind by international bankers who we are indebted to unto eternity. So, I mean, there's maybe another time when we speak, but there's another thing I just wanted to throw a little teaser out there is that part of the transformation that we are going from the current system to the next system, financial system, is because that debt can never be paid off to the international bankers anymore. So they need to collapse the system and then transition everyone into a new slavery system so that they can monetize everybody again.
54:58
And the monetization in this so called new international economic order is not only about humans. We are the resource. We are the resource which we are giving data. Data is the new oil, and then we are the product also. And so we are being monetized in the new system.
55:16
We are the product of manipulation. And then every bit of nature and all animals, they are also being monetized. So every tree, everything that can be mapped in the digitized world is going to have a digital ID of sorts, and it will be monetized. And that is why carbon is an essential piece of the new currency, because there's an exchange of carbon dioxide between animals and plants and all that stuff. So they're they're literally using nature and human beings and animals to create this new financial system.
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It's linked to why corporations and trillionaires and billionaires are buying land by the wazoo. Because the more land you have and the more trees you have, the more carbon credits you have or the more carbon you can expend and all that stuff.
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Seth Holehouse: Yeah. It's it's, it's crazy. And just to comment on what you've talking about the financial system is that's what I've been seeing as well. See, the dollars run its course, the the fiat system has run its course. They've, you know, kind of milked and that's why I think right now they're sending so much money to Ukraine is they're trying to milk as much money out of this system as they can before the whole system explodes.
56:47
And then, you know, then they come in again, you know, project, problem reaction solution, they create reaction is, oh my goodness. And then they say, know, the financial system has collapsed, the banks are collapsing. And all of a sudden, come in and say, hey, here's the perfect solution. We'll give you this central bank digital currency, this digital wallet, you know, the dollar is a failed experiment. We'll never do that again.
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And that's how they do it. That's how
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Speaker 2: they do Yeah. And there's another thought I have is I think what they're gonna do is like, if you go to the grocery store tomorrow, right? As the dollar so the dollar is asymptotically approaching zero, right? And it has like, we've lost 99% of the value since 1913, since the Federal Reserve, so they're coming for the last 1% now. Today, maybe a gallon of milk is, say, $6 in the grocery store.
57:41
Right? Fifteen, twenty years ago, it was $2. Tomorrow, it'll be $10. Now imagine you go to the store, and you can see it'll be either US dollars 10 or digital US dollar 2. And they'll give you a UBI of, say, a thousand or $2,000 a month.
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And you through that, you can buy it through 2 digital dollars UBI, or you spend your hard earned so called 10 US dollars fiat currency. Guess what? You're not being forced to do this. You'll be sucked into doing this. And I think this is how it's going to happen.
58:19
There's going to be tokens. They might call it tokens. They might call it UBI, whatever. They might call it CBDC, digital dollar. Take your pick.
58:29
But really, everything is going to be tokenized, and that token is going to be used for exchanging goods and services linked to your digital ID, which is linked to your various credits. So this is how it's going to happen. In state governments, I know that unemployment benefits or unemployment benefits and social security benefits and some other veteran benefits are now going through a company called ID.me, where ID.me, you need to take a video selfie of your face and upload it before you can start accessing all your services through the websites. And so they're going to keep finding ways to, sneak in CBDC as well as, digital ID.
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Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Here's the website for ID.me, the digital wallet that puts you in control. The thing is they always Control. It's always this Orwellian doublespeak puts you in No, no, no. It puts you under our control.
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Speaker 2: Under control. Yeah. It's under control. My
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Seth Holehouse: goodness. Well, Aman, it's been such a pleasure having you on and I feel like we could just keep going for hours on this because this subject there, it really fascinates me. And I think it's also, it's extremely important. And so as I mentioned in the intro, as I do the intro, but also now like for people that are watching or listening, this is the kind of interview, there's nothing political in this, share it with friends and family doesn't matter what their political orientation is because this affects all of us. And I think that this is something that we need to unite around.
1:00:23
Doesn't matter if you're straight or gay, black or white, left or right, this is something that we should all be able to get behind and say, you know what, I want my own freedom, I cherish my freedom, and I don't trust the government to administer freedom based upon how well I fit into their mold. Because we know that mold always changes, and it always gets smaller and smaller and smaller until it's just the government that fits into the mold. Everybody else is a slave.
1:00:48
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Yeah, you said it well.
1:00:52
Seth Holehouse: Yes. Well, thank you. And I look forward to next time. Take care.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: Thank you. Take care. Bye bye.
1:00:58
Seth Holehouse: Alright, folks. I hope you enjoyed that interview. Obviously, we're talking about some pretty serious things happening with especially these financial systems and the digital control systems. And so to follow-up on this, I've now got Kirk Elliott coming on because he's really living specifically in the financial realm. But as you know, he's not just your normal finance guy that just, well, I'm following what the stocks are doing and here's what the bonds are doing and he knows that stuff but he's someone that really puts together the bigger picture of geopolitics because if there's a financial advisor that's not considering what happens when CBDCs roll out, What about this BIS ledger system?
1:01:35
What's happening to you know, de dollarization? It's really limited. That's what I really enjoy about Kirk is that he's almost like a Todd calendar of sorts where he's just got so many such a rounded perspective that he can bring together. So I hope you enjoy this interview with Doctor. Kirk Elliott.
1:01:53
Kirk, it's great to have you on, man. How are you doing?
1:01:57
Speaker 3: Oh, man, it's so great to be on doing well, doing doing really well. And I think my eyeballs might look like saucers because I've been doing so much research over the last forty eight hours. There's a lot of stuff happening right now, like it at a supernatural type speed.
1:02:13
Seth Holehouse: Yeah, it just it seems like we're on the cusp of something big changing. I'm not, you know, I don't want to say whether it's a really good thing or really bad thing or it's probably a combination, you know, they always come to it comes together with the bad comes the good. But one thing that, like, to me, it wasn't really until those past week that I really started kind of honing in on it. And the more I've dug into it, the more I've been alarmed. And that's this this BIS, Bank of International Settlements, centralized ledger.
1:02:45
So I'm gonna run through a couple different web pages here. And then I want to just really hear your thoughts on this. I mean, this is where you live. This is probably where you've been spending a lot of time researching lately. So I'll start with this tweet from attorney Tom Rins.
1:03:01
And he says, this might be the most terrifying thing I've seen. Now now keep in mind, this is Tom Rins saying this, right, someone who's on the front line of like suing the the government and you know, he's involved in very terrifying things. So those are strong words for him and he's also he's also an attorney, he's not so that mince his words. He says the Bank of International Settlements BIS is literally laying out how you will own nothing. Central banks will own your house, your car, your bank account, etc.
1:03:34
You'll be able to do things if you comply with their mandates. Understand that this is not just a war on freedom, it's a war on humanity. Even your health care could be dependent on how compliant you are with government mandates. Combine this with CBDCs and you have the recipe for the great reset. You will own nothing and like it.
1:03:53
So he's referring to this, the BIS centralized ledger, and so or unified ledger. So I'm gonna go in this other article I have here that just gives a decent summary of it. And then I'm gonna go into their actual documents. I've got a few highlighted points so we can read what they've actually written about this. So this article Unified Ledger Globalist Release Blueprint for Future Monetary System.
1:04:20
So it says the new unified ledger agenda has been released by the Bank for International Settlements, BIS, also known as the Bank of Central Banks. The plan found on this bis.org link, which I'll go go to is entitled, quote, blueprint for the future monetary system improving the old enabling the new. And so so they give a summary here. This new plan describes a globalist run quote unified ledger that records the ownership of all assets, checking accounts, real estate, bonds, stocks, etc. On a centralized exchange run by globalists.
1:04:59
All assets will be tokenized, a process that the BIS describes as recording claims on financial or real assets that exist on a traditional ledger on a programmable platform. The unified ledger will feature programmable entries meaning that your ownership of assets can be revoked or altered at any time. The BIS sees its new unified ledger tracking all the assets issued by central banks. This is even larger than CBDCs. It combines the assets of all central banks while also tokenizing and controlling real estate assets, stocks, bonds, pensions, and anything else that can be represented through digital records.
1:05:44
The BIS document goes on to state that all tokenized assets can be subjected to regular regulatory rules by governments. These would include or these could include regulations involving speech, climate change, acceptance of LGBT narratives, conformity to vaccine demands, and so on. So from the paper quote, this dual nature of tokens could be used to good effect in a supervisory and compliance setting by directly embedding supervisory features into the token itself, which can be tailored to specific rules. Now, that's the frightening part to me is them saying that yeah, these tokens could be tailored to match the rules of the governing body. Meaning like in China, for instance, if you they can seize your real estate, you know, or in America, you know, the same thing.
1:06:39
So just to kind of continue setting up the stage for our discussion, I'll just read through a handful of things from their actual report. And this is like this is a massive report, so you know, 34 page PDF, but I've gone through and highlighted a few things I think that are really key. So they're saying that tokenization money has a an assets has great potential, a new type of financial market infrastructure, a unified ledger could capture the full benefits of tokenization by combining central bank money, tokenized deposits and tokenized assets on a programmable platform. And I'll just give a few of my own words here in saying that basically through my like third grade understanding of these things, it's like your your assets will be tracked on a central digital platform, tracked and controlled. That's what they're proposing.
1:07:28
Anything that is an asset in their mind, it starts off as being real estate, automobile, stock market stuff, it could eventually become food, maybe that even the food that you're given is tracked as an asset on this. So coming down here, actually, I'll scroll through down and I want to read a few points. Okay, so this is the okay, this is really important here. It says, this chapter presents a blueprint for a future monetary system that harnesses the potential of tokenization to improve the old enable the new. The key this is critical.
1:08:03
The key elements of the blueprint are central bank digital currencies, tokenized deposits, and other tokenized claims on financial and real assets. The blueprint envisages these elements being brought together in a new type of financial market infrastructure, a unified ledger. So I think there's some things I can go through here, but I want to I'll pull those up as we're talking. But, I mean, first off, is this as frightening as it seems? I mean, when you've been tracking this for some time.
1:08:34
But what do you make of this, Kirk?
1:08:37
Speaker 3: It I agree with Attorney Renz. It's like this is when I saw this, it's like, man, this is the scariest thing I think I've ever seen. And the reason I say that is you added up with everything else that we know about central bank digital currencies, what the BIS has said before. And so we connect some of those dots, right? So we go back to last year and the World Economic Forum, they said, Doctor.
1:09:09
Pippa Malmgren said that central bank digital currency is basically programmable money, just like what we're talking here, same words, same meaning, right? The ability to cut you off from buying or selling if your digital social profile, basically, which is the mirror image of you to the world. What you spend your money on doesn't match up with what they want you to be. Then you have these other two Bank of International settlements projects, Project Icebreaker and Aurora, which we've discussed on the last couple of shows, which is the ability to cut off bank wires if the use of funds doesn't match up with your ideology. And then real then then Aurora is real time transaction monitoring from every person, company, at every bank in every country.
1:09:55
Right? All of that added together. Why? So they can see if your spending matches their ideology, which matches up with your digital social profile. Right?
1:10:05
So then you go one step backwards to 2019 when the original Fed Now app legislation or it's not an act, it's not a legislation, it's a ruling from the Federal Reserve, right? Found in the Federal Register, this is when they originally penned it and what they want to do. And they said this was going to come become in effect in 2023 to 2024. And it's the conduit from your your Apple phone, your Android phone to you and your central bank digital currency, the repository, the debit and credit system, is attached to your digital social profile. Right?
1:10:47
So in in those documents at the fed, they talk about a new mechanism of money being that of social control, not just a unit of exchange, not just to hold the value, but of social control. So when you add all of those pieces together and apply them to this new unified ledger, this is what makes it so scary because the concept of of or the details of tokenization are in layman's terms, would say it's just collecting of all your financial data or any data, you know, jumbling it all up, putting it into a package. Right? So now it's all collected in one spot. It's not like it's a token like a coin.
1:11:29
It's just the technical word for collecting all of your data, putting it into a package. Now, Bitcoin is tokenization on a decentralized platform. So on blockchain that's decentralized, actually very private. It's immutable and non programmable, meaning you can't change the ownership and you can't look back or change anything. Once this thing is tokenized, it is what it is.
1:11:59
It's completely private ownership. You don't know where the funds came from. You don't know where the funds are going, right? It's an amazing concept of privacy, which is why central banks are pooh poohing decentralized cryptocurrency like it's nobody's business. Right?
1:12:16
It's like, no, this is terrible. Look what's happening. Look what happened to BlockFi. Look what happened to FTX. Look what what greedy, greedy cryptocurrency people, and you're only going after profit and boy, they're going to jail and all this.
1:12:33
Right? Well, they're doing the same thing with actually a big, huge twist, and that is they're centralizing all the data. So they own the data. They know the source, know what the funds are going to be used for. They know the owner, that it's you because it's all centralized, it's not decentralized.
1:12:54
So imagine putting into the hands of the globalist your real estate, your cash, your brokerage accounts, every asset that you have into one package, that then when you tokenize that basically under a central bank digital currency, it's the opposite of what we saw with Bitcoin, where it's immutable and non programmable. They can program it to do numerous things, shut you off from even being able to access it for all kinds of social engineering reasons. Right? Let's just say you like what that article was saying, let's say you spoke out against child. Boy, we don't we don't like what you're saying.
1:13:41
What if you spoke out against global warming or your carbon footprint or you spoke out against the banking system or politics or religion or anything? It's like, if we don't like you, we're going to cut you off. This is the social control aspect that's in the Federal Register, right, or the Federal Reserve initial documents. You add that to all this digital social profile stuff, the ability to cut you off if your ideology doesn't match up, they won't even allow for a bank wire. You can see where all this is coming into play.
1:14:13
But the the one thing that's almost as scary as a unified ledger is the whole concept of programmable money is that they can also program a time element into it, you know, because real currency, paper money, there's not necessarily a time element. It has value, it's a hold of value, and it's a unit of exchange. So digital money, they can cut it off whenever they want to if they don't like whatever reason. Right? So let's say they were trying to stimulate the economy and they wanted everybody to spend money and and put money into the system to grow the economy.
1:14:58
And let's just say, Seth, you had a hundred thousand dollars in your bank account. They could say with a time factor on money, it's like, hey, Seth, use it or lose it, it's going away December 31. If you don't use it, it's gone. So what are you gonna do? You're gonna try to buy as much as you can of your money.
1:15:19
What if this is your retirement? You're going to eat away at your retirement, your life savings, your nest egg, which is what most prudent people do is they save up for a rainy day, right? So this whole concept of putting a timetable on your money with programmable money, which is easy to do under this unified ledger system, is get you separated from your money. So why? You don't have money for a rainy day.
1:15:44
You don't have money for your retirement. Therefore, it makes you enslaved into their system forever. Moving forward, you have to be dependent on the debit and credit system that they say that you can have the money and when, right? So you add all of that up, it's like, oh my word, this is one of the most scary financial things ever. It's like one of those monumental moments in history of America.
1:16:13
You could say Kennedy getting assassinated is one of them. Maybe Nixon taking us off the gold standard from in 1971 and is, you know, a or the the start of the Federal Reserve in the early nineteen hundreds or nineeleven, right? There's things that changed in society that always caused something big and massive to follow. Like nineeleven, we got the Patriot Act, right? It's like you look at these things, huge massive crisis, huge overreach of a response that changed life forever.
1:16:48
This is one of those things that they're going to use a banking crisis to actually strip away our freedoms possibly forever. The ability to buy or sell on what you want, when you want, where you want, with whom you want, it's gone. And the whole concept of ownership, you you don't own your house. Under under unified ledger, in their own words, you don't own it. They do.
1:17:17
Why would I say that they own it if you actually do? Well, because it's programmable, and they can cut you off from actually doing anything with it unless you agree with them on everything. It's like that's not ownership. Ownership equals control. You don't control your own financial destiny anymore unless you do you act the way that they want you to act.
1:17:40
If not, they're going to cut you off from buying or selling. To me, that's not ownership. You give away ownership to the Bank of International Settlements by going into this system. That's what we just gave up, is ownership of our assets under the system. That's why I think this is one of the most dangerous things I've ever seen.
1:18:00
Seth Holehouse: Well, and part of it is that, you know, we look at, say, a savings account, and for someone to think that, you know, we've talked about CBDC and so say, one day they say, okay, as of today, all assets in checking and savings accounts are being converted to CBDC tokens, right? That's a frightening scenario. But someone might say, Well, okay, I've also got my land, I've got my four zero one ks, I've got money in the stock market, I've got a Vanguard IRA. So that they're thinking, Okay, well, I still have these other backups, but this is almost turning all those things into CBDC. And so I'm going to read, a few more parts of this this, this document that they released about this because it helps paint the overall picture because you can see that what they're doing with this is they're trying to build that same narrative that the only thing you can trust is the central bank, right?
1:18:53
That they're the ones that you can trust to handle this. And that's exactly what every government does when they come in, it starts off as a good thing. And then before you know it, it's communist China or communist, you know, Soviet Union, is they say, look, it's actually, you know, these small state run governments, you know, these 50 states, that's not really gonna work anymore. So it's gonna be one super central federal government overseeing everything. And so, I'll pull this back up.
1:19:18
There's a few things to read here. So one here they say is that central banks could work with regulated private entities to develop technological solutions and standards to meet specific case uses. But here here's the key, but with their public interest mandate, central banks are the best place to establish a common venue for each use case by interlinking the monetary system. And here's their key, proper oversight and supervision will be a prerequisite for this endeavor. So again, they're positioning and saying, well, this is a great system, but only if it all runs through the central bank.
1:19:57
So it's imagine if now the central bank is monitoring where you own land or where you have assets. But then I'll continue down here. This is a really detailed document. So here's where they're saying that for this ledger, for this unified ledger to work, you must have a central bank digital currency. Right?
1:20:20
And this is the key. So they say that the full potential of tokenization needs a monetary unit of account that denom denominates transactions as well as the accompanying means of payment. However, for the reasons highlighted above, central bank money in the settlement finality that it brings is a much firmer foundation for tokenization than crypto, they're saying. The full potential of tokenization is therefore best harnessed by having central bank money reside in the same venue as their tokenized claims. They continue, this is the key part of this, for this reason, the development of a wholesale CBDC is core to the functioning of a tokenized environment.
1:21:02
As a tokenized means of settlement, wholesale CBDs CBDCs would serve a similar role as reserves in the current system, but with the added functionalities enabled by tokenization. So that's the that's the key part there is that this whole platform is built on central bank digital currency, which is centralized and fully programmable.
1:21:28
Speaker 3: I mean, people people possibly don't understand what fully programmable means. Right? I mean, it's a very innocuous word. It's like, cool. It can be flexible.
1:21:38
They can change things three sixty five, 20 fourseven, make life easier. No. Programmable in this context means changing ownership, changing your access to it, changing because it's digital. Right? They could they could say, okay, Seth, you might have a couple hundred thousand here and there, you know, but we're only gonna allow you to take out $50 a day.
1:22:02
Well, if it's everything is digital, there's nothing you can do about it. Right? It's coded in there. You can't get it out. This is why something that's digital is so bad for for freedom.
1:22:14
Either you you ultimately lose privacy completely. I don't care what anybody says. You will you will lose privacy, and you're gonna lose your ability to actually own it and control it because you're not basically coding in when you can put it in and when you can take it out. Right? Somebody else is.
1:22:30
They could change it on a whim. I mean, this is this is pretty scary. Just like they can make it really easy to pay taxes. Right? It's like, okay, you don't even fill out a tax return anymore.
1:22:41
If everything's completely visible, everything's completely transparent, they know how much money came in an income, they know what you sent out, you don't even have to fill out tax returns. They'll just take whatever they want. Right? They're gonna push this as being really, really easy, simple, safe. It's gonna fight crime.
1:22:59
It's gonna fight laundering, all this stuff, but it's not what they want. They don't want that stuff. They want complete control over you, and that's the goal. That is absolutely the goal of this. There's no other way around it when you read the actual source document that you can actually come to another conclusion that this is all about control.
1:23:20
Seth Holehouse: Well, I mean, when everyone knows by now, the saying of you will own nothing and be happy. Well, like, this actually makes sense of that. Because I was I saw that and I think, okay, what's that mean? You will own nothing and be happy. Does it mean that we're all living in these little cubes and smart city like something out of Fifth Element where, you know, everything is controlled and maybe that's the long learn long term goal.
1:23:45
But what it could actually mean is that I could maybe live the exact same life I have right now. I've got a house, I've got a truck, I've got a minivan, I've got you know, this these various assets that I have. And I right now I feel like at least I own them, though I'm paying property tax on my land. If I don't pay that property tax, seizes it. So that's a whole different discussion.
1:24:07
Do I really own my land? The key with this is that you will own nothing. It's like, if my house is basically granted to me via a token that's programmable, that's owned by that's really fundamentally owned by a central bank authority, a centralized one world authority. That what that means is though I'm staying here in this house or though I'm driving that car, You mentioned it being programmable, meaning it can change. It can change ownership.
1:24:37
The rules surrounding it can be changed. They might say for instance that you can only have a car if your carbon footprint is less than x. If they're tracking all this or you can only have access to the stock account, your stock account if your social credit score is above a 700, Right? So that's exactly what this is. I mean, this is like this is in the game for them in terms of their control system.
1:25:08
And so I guess, you know, there's there's a lot of things, a lot of questions that arise out of this. I'm thinking about how this ties into bricks and, you know, that's a whole just massive discussion to unpack with this. But obviously, I know that a lot of our discussions end up discussing precious metals, gold and silver, because that's I mean, the same way that I discuss food a lot. Say, Hey, look, folks, make sure you got your food. But like, you know, right here, this is an ounce of silver.
1:25:37
Okay. And, you know, even right now, actually, I just got done with a contractor. He said, can I pay you in some silver? He goes, Yeah, that'd be great. So I gave him two tubes of silver, you know, little one ounce rounds and that covered all this work on my house.
1:25:52
So that's the thing like with this is that because this is a global asset, right? It's not like it's a US dollar tied to the US dollar, it's demand and everything. How do you think gold and silver would play into this? Because in my thinking, it's like, they've got to have some plan to make sure we can't use this to bypass their system. Or or is it something that that's like outside of their control because it's outside of their digital sphere where they're building all their control mechanisms?
1:26:23
I mean, how do you make sense of that?
1:26:27
Speaker 3: I would say the latter is probably true. It's outside of their sphere. Now, if you were to use it as currency at a grocery store, right, maybe they would come up with something like that, but you're not going to, you're going to be using it for barter or things of that nature. Right? So it's basically out of their control and purview.
1:26:43
But but why would you want it? Well, because if nothing else is is available, nothing else that you would want. For example, I think they're gonna make it very difficult to not take central bank digital currency. I I think they're gonna make it really difficult. For example, say you're retired and you get your Social Security, that's $2,700 a month.
1:27:04
It's like, well, how is it gonna come? Probably from the FedNow app because it's coming from the government. This is their government banking thing. It's like, you said, if you want your $2,700 a month Social Security, you better get on with the FedNow app. There is no other way to get it.
1:27:20
Right? Or or they could force the issue at gas pumps. It's like, well, unless you put in your FedNow app, you're not gonna get gas. We don't take any other forms of payment. Right?
1:27:30
They're gonna well, then what are you gonna do? Not drive? Well, if you're not gonna live in a house, you live in a tent under a bridge somewhere. Right? If you can't make mortgage payments because it's not in their version of currency that they want, they won't take anything else.
1:27:46
So this is where I I believe I think there's going to be alternative currency systems that rise up like almost on day one. Like where there's a will, there's a way. Somebody will see it because somebody's going to realize, well, good grief, like every Christian evangelical Catholic on the planet, right? It's like don't want to take this system because they think it's the mark of the beast, which it probably is, right? So so therefore you start living off the grid.
1:28:12
Right? So so there's there's alternative systems that will establish themselves overnight. Now, that was kind of a a rogue zombie apocalypse kind of a scenario. Right? But but what's more mainstream?
1:28:25
Simple. States like Texas and our and Alaska saying we want a state chartered central bank that's backed by gold. It's like, sweet. So state chartered means you're not FDIC. It means you're not federally insured.
1:28:39
You're not a federal bank. Right? So so you get out of all of that nonsense with the Fed now. State chartered bank, they have their own money. They have their own possible backing of the currency.
1:28:50
They could back their currency with gold. Right? So so I think there's gonna be alternative systems that rise up in addition to other countries now potentially leaving the CBDC BRICS system. Right? You know, news news from July 3 that the Indian foreign affairs minister was saying, I don't know about the CBDC and thing with the BRICS nations.
1:29:16
Right? It's like our currency, we have the strongest GDP in all the BRICS nations, and our economy is is kind of booming a little bit. We don't we don't wanna drag it down with some kind of European, you know, euro currency, central bank digital currency. So what do they do? Well, they pull out of the system.
1:29:34
So about two days ago, it was noted on, oh, India. There was a news site on Twitter from from India. So basically, decided along with that statement that they made on July 3 that India was not going to support or recognize the BRICS Central Bank digital currency. They're not even gonna recognize it, which means they're not gonna be a part of it. So So it's not like they were kicked out of bricks.
1:30:03
No, they're still in bricks. They're just not going to use the currency, which means they'll probably be kicked out of bricks at some point. Right? So you look at those kind of things that are happening, whether it's a country like India or whether it's oh, boy. It was either Hong Kong or Singapore that told China, it's like, we're not gonna accept any kind of Chinese central bank digital currency or BRICS currency for anything.
1:30:24
Right? So you've got countries opposing the system. You've got states rising up opposing the system. You've got states that say gold is legal tender, like Arkansas, Wyoming, Utah, Oklahoma. All of them say gold is legal tender.
1:30:42
So here's where we don't have to settle, Seth. We don't have to settle for this fear that's consuming most people thinking this is the mark of the beast, what am I going to do? It's like, no, you can allocate outside of that. Maybe move your money to a bank that's not FDIC insured, that's more of a state chartered bank. There's not a lot of options right now, but you know what?
1:31:07
There will be. That where there's a will, there's a way. I think there is going to be. So I would I would move that then. In the meantime, I would allocate into strength, allocate into safety.
1:31:17
We never know when these things are gonna start happening, to get a put a smile on your face and get out of harm's way. So you've got
1:31:25
Speaker 2: all of that.
1:31:26
Seth Holehouse: So one question I have Kirk is, as I'm thinking through this, once right now, let's just say I said Kirk, I want 100 ounces of silver, you could say okay, Seth, it's going to cost you, you know, dollars 3,000 or whatever. And I say, Okay, I will bank wire or I'll mail you a check and you get that you deposit, you sit, you ship it to me. Now, once this system rolls especially once a CBDC system rolls out, we already know they're talking about limiting purchasing of ammunition. They're talking about it openly. Do you think that because they see this as a threat to their system because it is, that once those assets are converted to CBDC, do you think they will ban the purchase of precious metals?
1:32:12
Like once it's kind of like if you don't get out before that system gets put into place, that you may have lost your window to move your assets into something like precious metals?
1:32:23
Speaker 3: I actually do. I mean, this is this is part of their goal. It's part of their agenda to get everybody into their programmable money. Anything that stands in their way, they're gonna demonize. We're already and the reason I said it is because we're already starting to see it.
1:32:38
Right? Where there's they're demonizing decentralized cryptocurrency like Bitcoin and and Dogecoin and things like that. Why? Because it is an attack against what they're doing. But that's easy to actually say, okay.
1:32:53
Look at all these greedy companies, right, taking advantage of everybody. That's their angle. But so or you could you could have oh, that's that's just one extreme. But what about getting your Social Security payments? Right?
1:33:08
What about the the thing that it's like, how are they gonna collect all this stuff into a tokenized client or tokenized token? Right? Your real estate, your other assets. Well, I think they're just going to start asking. You know, under perjury on a tax return for maybe next year, say, we'll list out all of your assets.
1:33:29
You don't do it now, you're in huge trouble. Right? So so or maybe huge penalties or maybe jail time. Right? I don't think there's going to be a way to once you're in the system to get money out.
1:33:43
Why? Because they control the purse strings. So don't put your ass I don't know how this is gonna come out to how it's gonna play out. Right? All I know is that where there's a will, there's a way throughout history.
1:33:54
People have always there's always something that rises up that can people invest in into safety. Right? But but I don't know what it would be right at this point other than gold or silver because it's tangible. You take delivery of it. You can legitimately use it for a barter.
1:34:10
So so the fact that they're gonna probably ask you, I would say on a tax return, what's what else do you have? Other than your money here that you're claiming, what what real estate do you have? What other investments do you have? What I mean, they're just gonna have to be intrusive on it because a lot of the stuff is dealer nonreportable, private transactions. They don't know that you have it or not.
1:34:33
So they're relying on most of the population to actually tell them.
1:34:39
Seth Holehouse: Well, one funny point is I was talking to a I was in a different state. I won't go into any details. And it's a state that has very different gun laws than Ohio. And I was talking to a local police officer. And just saying I was I was just curious.
1:34:54
I was like, gun registration and whatnot. And in this particular state, you know, like your typical AR 15 is not allowed. And so I asked him, I said, like, what do what do people do here? Are they complying? And he he said, look, he goes, 90% of the AR fifteens in this state were never registered.
1:35:17
And it's same thing happened with the, the ATF. They they made a ruling about pistol braces. Right? You can't have a gun with a full roll pistol brace. I think only 10% of the pistol brace owners actually registered their their guns with the ATF.
1:35:31
So I think that shows you like that's an indicator you're talking about how, you know, where there's a will there's a way, this parallel system is that yeah, I think that like, are the people with with a bucket full of this stuff buried in their backyard gonna say, you know what? Yes, you know, Joe Biden, here's a map of where it's buried, or here's where it's hidden in my house. They're gonna say, there's no way I'm reporting that, you know?
1:35:52
Speaker 3: Right. Right. I mean, this this is world that we're entering into. Right? It's like brave new world.
1:35:59
Forget about anything being private, right? Unless you actually have a private asset. So what's not going to be private? Anything that you claim, right? All your digital assets, your paper assets, those are, you know, it's not digital, right?
1:36:14
If you have something that's digital, people are going to know about it. If you have something that's not, they won't. This is why I love tangible assets like gold, like silver, that you can put in your pocket, that you can walk around, trade back and forth. You just conducted commerce. You just traded that for something that you wanted from somebody that something that they had, and you didn't have to engage in the central bank digital currency system, right?
1:36:41
This is one way out. The the other way out is structure change, like the states moving out of the FDIC, out of a federally insured system. And, you know, just barter. Gold and silver for barter. It's like, I don't know what else you could do at this point because you need something that has personal ownership.
1:37:05
Right? Something that you have on you or that you store that you can get right away. Right? Because lot of my clients have big monster IRAs that they moved into into silver. You can't take delivery of that until you cash out, until you take a distribution.
1:37:19
In the meantime, it's safe. When push comes to shove, things start changing. It's like, hey, take your stuff at home, right? But until then, I would hold it safely because the world's changing quick. I mean, literally right underneath our nose, it's happening.
1:37:34
Things that we talked about three weeks, a month ago, seems like a distant memory at this point with everything that's happened since then. So I would encourage everybody before these things start to come into motion, once they're here, I think it's too late, you you reallocate into safety. You reallocate out of your paper, out of your stocks, your bonds, your mutual funds, and go into physical silver. It's the smartest thing to do given the world that we're living in right now because it's the last of the private transactions.
1:38:03
Seth Holehouse: Exactly. And so if folks want to do that with you and your company, so I've got the website here. So it's just goldwithseth.com. That's the website there. Goldwithseth.com.
1:38:15
And then when you scroll down, there is a form they can fill out. Also, your phone number (720) 605-3900. Those are going to be in the description as well. And as I've said before, look like, like honestly, Kirk, you're the reason I do this full time, that my wife can do this full time. We've got people helping out with us.
1:38:36
I'm an independent journalist. I'm not, you know, you don't go collect some big paycheck from Fox News, nor am I getting ad, you know, ad revenue from YouTube. So this is what allows me to do this. And so I just I thank you for what you're doing. I actually I really do think that in the future, lot of people will look back and be like, gosh, I'm so glad I didn't miss that window.
1:38:59
Because I think that as much as it feels like we always have time, it's like you always have time to buy toilet paper until you go to Costco, and there's 500 people waiting outside, and they're limiting you to one roll apiece. Do you know what I mean? It's like, those things happen. You know, it's like I'd rather be six months early than one day late on something like that.
1:39:19
Speaker 3: 100%, yes. And so we just simply have to, the world is different. If you don't change with a changing world, then you're going to sink with the ship, right? So it's very, very, very, very important. I've never been a sense of urgency kind of a guy, never have until now.
1:39:39
I mean, this is the most egregious attack on our freedoms financially that I've ever seen. It's not that I'm a spring chicken. I mean, I'm not old, I'm not young. I'm like my 50s, I've seen thirty years of growth. I'm still a young guy.
1:39:53
But thirty years in this business, I've seen a lot. I've seen two thousand, I've seen Y2K, I've seen the towers, I've seen two thousand and nine, right? It's like, boy, there's a lot to have seen and a lot to have learned in all of that. What did I realize? Companies can go out of business overnight.
1:40:14
If you don't want somebody to know about something, well, then don't put it online. Ultimately, that's what digital money is. So you have to always be private. Privacy comes through tangible assets you take delivery of. We're not talking about just significant growth right now, Seth, which is what we are seeing in silver.
1:40:33
I mean, in the last well, let's see. Wednesday and Thursday last week, silver was up about a buck 80 in two days. I mean, already up about I mean, that's incredible, right? So our goal then is to be wise stewards, take advantage of these moves so they don't take advantage of us. That is how you'll grow.
1:40:56
That is how you'll thrive moving forward.
1:40:59
Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Well, thanks, Kirk, and I'll I'll see you again next week.
1:41:04
Speaker 3: Sounds good, brother. You have a good