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The Aesthetic Industry Is Changing: Are You Evolving? · Aesthetics Unscripted

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Aesthetics Unscripted.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Kim, and joining me today, uh, one of my passion subjects, longevity and how to do it right.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's co-founder of Evolve Anti-Aging and Wellness, Michael Zagikian.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for coming today, Michael.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me, Kim.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let me know first of all, where are you located?
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  SPEAKER_00: Where is Evolve Anti-Aging and Wellness?
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  SPEAKER_01: Evolve Anti-Aging Wellness is located in Encino, California.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is a suburb of Los Angeles.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So instead of stealing all your thunder, I want you to be able to tell the viewers who you are and what was this passion project for yourself?
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  SPEAKER_00: I know your co-founder is also your brother and your medical director.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the three of you, uh, where did the idea come from to open up your own clinic?
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, there must have been holes in the system, and you saw a way to do it better.
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  SPEAKER_00: So please share your journey with us.
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  SPEAKER_01: You took the words out of my mouth.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um, so my brother and I, Edward, uh, we've been using testosterone since hold on, really almost 14 years I've been on testosterone.
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  SPEAKER_01: I started when I was 27.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had low testosterone.
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  SPEAKER_01: My testosterone was 220.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when you looked at me, you couldn't tell.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was training Muay Thai, I was working out, I had energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: The only main severe side effect, uh negative symptom that I had was brain fog.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just couldn't focus.
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  SPEAKER_01: Walk into a room and I forgot why I walked in there.
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  SPEAKER_01: My brother had the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're both athletes, we don't look like we don't have low testosterone.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we jumped on testosterone, and our family business is medical practice management, and that that business spreads around a lot of specialties.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there is a provider, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Vingueba, who's a reproductive endocrinologist and an obstetrician.
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  SPEAKER_01: This man is so charming, such a nice man, so easy to work with and so insightful because he knows we're on hormones and he's an endocrinologist, so he's giving us all the all the details about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the the place that we're going to, it was not a good fit and finish for the type of treatments that we wanted.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we wanted testosterone, we wanted to optimize things, and their approach was a lot more pro science, I would say.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was from a from a medical uh doctor, but it just wasn't what we wanted, it wasn't the quality experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, us having background in medical practice management, we reached out to Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bill and Guevo and said, hey, we have this idea of opening up our own spot, but we want it to be a high elevation feel for people.
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  SPEAKER_01: We want to have a more optimization approach.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we started that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was in 2019.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of the things that we wanted to have with our own clinic was to be our own laboratory, and not just like a quick testosterone panel.
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  SPEAKER_01: We wanted a full laboratory, a high complexity laboratory, so we can check the CMP, CBC, thyroid, hormones, glutinizing hormones, the signal for you to produce your hormones, FSH, all these excellent markers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so when we built the clinic, we also built the laboratory.
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  SPEAKER_01: And just around the corner was COVID.
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  SPEAKER_01: And since we are a laboratory, we had access to these COVID tests.
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  SPEAKER_01: We started doing COVID testing since we couldn't operate as a hormone clinic anymore for the time being.
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  SPEAKER_01: And next thing you know, we uh were we're in this parking lot in our friend's restaurant because we needed to keep six feet apart, and so our clinic was too small for the high volume of people that we were testing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's a couple of music video producers that came to get tested, they saw our efficiency, they asked us to do some COVID testing for the unions.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we were the the template for the unions in Los Angeles to restart the movie industry, and so that kind of propelled us into a different direction.
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  SPEAKER_01: But with that experience, we also saw, oh, there's there's a lot of inefficiencies in how people are being treated when it comes to diseases.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the treatment is, oh, you you're you have a deceit disease, here's a treatment.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we're like, well, this could have been prevented.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lifestyle factors, hormone optimization, all these things could have been could have helped this person deal with this disease in a much more efficient way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, and that's one of our biggest problems here in the United States.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel that, and I preach about this all the time, we are so ver well-versed and so stuck in treating the symptom, not the cause, that I'm excited to see, not just in medicine but in medical aesthetics, we're really evolving finally, and it's happening quickly, where we are starting to treat the cause and the symptom, not just the endpoint.
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  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when we saw that, and as we saw the sun setting for COVID testing, we're like, finally, we can go back to what we wanted to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so now we have so much more insights because we were hormone optimization, and then when we saw there's a much bigger picture here that's not just hormones, there's a very, very granular um details that people are being overlooked for.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we shifted into bringing in genetic testing because the genetics can influence how your body is responding.
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  SPEAKER_01: Also, lifestyle that has a lot to do with that too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so we wanted to get as much data as possible before treating people for longevity, because there's nothing in this world, in this industry, that is one size fits all.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: And if somebody's saying it's one size fits all, you've got to run away from them.
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  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
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  SPEAKER_00: You absolutely have to run away from somebody that thinks they can give you a quick fix because that's the the easiest way to make yourself sick or have massive side effects that might lead to an illness.
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  SPEAKER_01: One thing that we've noticed in LA is there's a lot of aesthetics practices here, and a lot of them are extremely superficial.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't talk about inflammation and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the skin is an organ, and the skin gives us a symptom.
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  SPEAKER_01: Somebody is looking more aged.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a symptom.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not just like a process of life.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when we're doing aesthetics, we really want to work on the inside too.
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  SPEAKER_01: We want to manage inflammation, we want to see what the inflammatory influence is from the genes.
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  SPEAKER_01: When we have that data, now we can kind of do the right job, you know, uh be more patient-specific.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like I jumped a few years in my my story from COVID to present day, but just through our practice and having our own laboratory and our deeper understanding of biological signals, like peptides and things like that, we're we're able to take in a patient, see what's going on genetically, understand their lifestyle, see what's going on today with our labs, and it's our laboratory, so we get the results in about 45 minutes.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, somebody will have an idea of what they should be on, peptide-wise, because they saw it on TikTok or Instagram or something, and they have this idea that, oh, this is what my symptom is.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when we look at the labs, it's a completely different story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I love the fact that um you and your brother evolved into Evolve Anti-aging Wellness.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: What a great name.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's perfect, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a natural evolution for your longevity throughout your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's also your evolution story because there are so many people now that are self-medicating on peptides.
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  SPEAKER_00: I find it wildly alarming.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a pandemic.
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  SPEAKER_00: People don't understand that you could really harm yourself doing this.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: There have been some recent deaths associated with the same.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, please don't self-medicate.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is not like your Fred Flintstone vitamin supplement that you're just gonna chew and pee out in four hours.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is the real deal.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: These are medical treatments, and you need to come to someplace like your Evolve Anti-Aging and Wellness because you're not just doing blood tests to get those blood panels back.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: You're doing, like you said, you're you have your own laboratory and you're doing genetic testing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you're going to the extreme to find out exactly what it is that your patient needs.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I definitely commend you on that.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, to go even more extreme, we started testing the peptides for endotoxins.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: So we're doing bacteria testing for the peptides in-house and we're getting it back in about three hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have a bacterial scan, so instead of waiting four days, we're getting back in three hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's an advanced test.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when people are bringing on bringing their own peptides in that they got for$45 from the internet, and we'll test it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, our machine sounds all the alarms of like this is garbage.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're we even tested the product itself here.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's really the extreme level that we need to go to because of all of the social media trends and and like I said, a pandemic of uh the individual persons thinking that it's okay and it's safe to self-medicate with peptides.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, definitely 1,000% against it myself.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: I actually saw an interview on CNN recently with Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: DeBro, also, as you know, out in California, and he was saying the same thing that you just pointed out that the most of these peptides that individuals are buying on their own off of, you know, wherever on the internet are testing up to 70% to not have the ingredients listed on the label.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: And most of those ingredients are either toxic or they're they're just like basically bacteria set water, so they're not giving you any benefit.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you're wasting your money and you're taking a big chance with your health.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: Very scary.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and a much higher level view, too.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: People are gonna catch on to all these bunk peptide manufacturers.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, people are selling it in their in the parking lot from their car.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna get such a bad rap that peptides are just gonna be pulled and we're not gonna have access to it anymore because too many people are gonna harm themselves with it.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: See, and that's the biggest problem, too, because a few people are going to ruin it for the masses because we're we're fighting medically as a community, uh, responsible providers such as yourself and your clinic and your laboratory.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: We're fighting across the country to get a list of peptides removed from the no-fly list on the FDA.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're starting to finally make a little headway with the FDA taking a look at these other peptides and saying, you know what, there are probably some of these that are very beneficial.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to make them be allowed to be sold and prescribed here in the United States.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: But the keyword is prescribed.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, not like buying it out some corner store or at a in a parking lot.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: This is just absurd.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even understand why a person would put so much weight into, you know, like the clothes that they buy or a luxury item, and they don't do any research and they don't care what you stick in their or they themselves stick in their bodies.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's bizarre to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: The amount of information that they're getting, all the information is from social media.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: And these are people who what drives me crazy is there's people that just left the gym and they're recording this information in their car and they're reading it from like a chat GPT prop.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: So they don't even know what they're talking about, they're just parroting the information.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Now they're giving medical advice on social media, and those people come to the clinic, and our practitioners are doing the consultation, they're like, Where did you get this information?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you doing 20 milligrams of mozzie in an injection?
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's it's it's wild.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so when when people come in and they're like, Why would I go to a VOL when I could just buy it from the guy selling at the parking lot in Target?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this is why, because we know what we're we study this biological signaling and all that stuff.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, Michael, I want to talk about the physiology behind fatigue, burnout, poor recovery, and weight gain.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: So, where does your clinic come into play with those factors that we all battle with our lives and our lifestyle, especially if we're trying to lose weight and stay fit at the same time, or we just want to feel better about ourselves on a daily basis?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very broad subject, and there's many reasons why people can enter that.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Let's let's just pick one which is burnout, the the fatigue and burnout.
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  SPEAKER_01: That that's the most common one that we're dealing with, uh, primarily because we got these things.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: And we're when we're supposed to be winding down, we are looking at things like peptides on social media, and we're getting we're getting more information to the nervous system to activate.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so the nervous system is activated, you're activating the sympathetic tone, and now you're supposed to go to sleep after you activated that part of your of your anatomy.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: And the way I like to describe it is the it starts when when you go to sleep, if your body's a computer, you just turned off the monitor, you didn't shut down the computer, so your eyes are closed, but the nervous system is not in a parasympathetic tone.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so what's happening is people are waking up around two to four o'clock in the morning, circus is on, their eyes are open, they can't go back to sleep.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: That is one of that's like the first thing, that's the first leak in the boat.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like to call it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then there's compensation after that.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's more sugar because you need the energy, there's more coffee.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when you wake up in the morning, you're reaching for the caffeine and all these quick fixes that are just making things worse.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those things are also activating sympathetic tone.
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  SPEAKER_01: So now you're compounding the initial issue of why you couldn't get restful sleep.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: So that's just one example of how this can kind of start.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: And where does evolve come into this?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what happens is you become stress adapted, and when there's an adaptation, there's also a prediction.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so your body starts to predict, hey, it's two o'clock in the morning, I'm supposed to wake up right now.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Boom, I'm up.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And this is this is the adaptation and prediction.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then when there's a prediction, this is wild.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: When there's a prediction, there's another adaptation to that prediction.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: You're constantly creating a cycle.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: We get people that come to us and they're their guesstimation is I'm low on hormones.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: So we do a hormone.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we check it, we check everything at uh at the same time.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like, oh, we feel this person has a hormone deficiency.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just check the hormones.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, we we want the entire picture, and typically we'll see inflammatory markers elevated.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: That opens up a whole other conversation of inflammation, and and now you need to figure out which is the most appropriate direction to go to.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because we're also human beings, yeah.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: We're talking about oxidative stress and inflammation is gonna show up on your face, it's gonna show up in your muscles and your cells.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: So you're gonna look older, you're gonna feel older, you're gonna perform like you're older.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And as you said, it's a can of worms that turns into a big snowball.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: You end up in that hamster wheel and you just can't get out.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: So evolve, your company evolve is how you get out, correct?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yes.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, our genetics, our labs, and our own IP, we're we're helping people daily get out of these funks.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: And this is this is my favorite part about this, is because the amount of gratitude they just come up and hug you, you know, during that process, like as they're feeling better and better, that's that's such a great feeling for us.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I love to hear that too, because there's we live in such a money-made motivated world.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: And hey, listen, we ought to keep our doors open, a roof over our heads, have a lifestyle ourselves, you know, besides outside of the clinic.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, I love it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: There is such a thing.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's such a thing as life outside the clinic.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: But you I know it's like, what is that?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: But your motivation behind like the root cause motivation behind Evolve is uh what you just said about the paying it forward, giving it back when your patient's so happy they run over and hug you.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now that to the viewers, this is the kind of location you're looking for when you're looking to have medically guided weight loss or longevity and wellness or workout, whatever it is, um a plan.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: When you want to start that new plan and reset, you want to find practitioners that are at the top of their top of the food chain for education, but also have the passion, like Michael, that they want to see you so happy, you want to hug them, not just empty your wallet.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: But let the viewers know like, what are we doing?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm coming in, I'm doing a consultation, and I'm signing up now.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm happy with what I hear.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: So you said blood testing, genetic testing, you're gonna go over my wants and you're gonna tell me what I shouldn't be doing.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Very important, right?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so what's the process like?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: A big piece of the process is looking at the patient, not their body structure, like how if they're you know, if they're out of shape or not.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's just how are they sitting?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Are they are they self-soothing?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Are they stressed out?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Are they breathing from up here?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Are they breathing from their from the diaphragm?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: These are these are really important factors because if we see somebody's you know, they're they're they're breathing so superficially and almost like panting, okay, there's a much bigger issue than uh I need some peptides.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's a completely different conversation.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: So this gives us some things that maybe even the patient's not even aware of.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then we of course have a confident consultation of what brings you in, what are your goals, how's your lifestyle?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then we would do labs.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: And during the uh during the lab process, which takes about 45 minutes to an hour for the labs to come back, we will continue that conversation of what can we do for you?
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: What do you what are your main issues?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um when we get the labs, they're analyzed with the patient, and then we know which direction to go towards.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: So if somebody has, let's say it's a male who's in his 40s and he has strong glutenizing hormone, which is a signal from from the pituitary to the lighting cells to make experimental testosterone, and there's low testosterone, and he's not sleeping well, he's he's inflamed, all these things into consideration.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: Now we know what direction we go to.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Even if we give this man testosterone, he'll feel better for a few weeks, and then he's gonna go back to that slump because there's a lifestyle pattern that needs to be addressed, the sleep, the inflammation, all those things.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: So that is just like a small little snippet.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's also genetic testing that we we really encourage people to do.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's a once-in-a-lifetime test.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: You do it once, genes don't change, and we see how your body's influenced by your genetics.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: So when it comes to sleep, mood and behavior, um, metabolization of certain foods, carbohydrates, fats.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we have people coming in that have been doing the carnivore diet, and you're like, wow, I feel great.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then when we check their APOB and it's astronomically high, and we also have their genetics, we can see why that happened.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: We can see the influence of how his body metabolized that.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's it's very nuanced, again, patient specific, but once we have your genes, I mean, we make everything for you.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Make your daily habits, what time you should be waking up, what you should be eating, when you should be eating, all that awesome, awesome information that we supply for people.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: So with Evolve, anti-aging and wellness, I know you're not just about peptides.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: I love that you have your own lab.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's just outstanding.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is something that is so far above and beyond most of the services, because as you know better than I do, normally we would come to a longevity clinic, we would do our intake, then we would have to go to a lab uh with your script of what we should have pulled.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then we have to wait up to two weeks to get those results to reschedule with that longevity clinic, to bring the copy of the labs or email over the labs.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully they didn't get lost in the emails and they're there the day we show up.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my God, that's just it's such a long process with so many potential um pitfalls for, like I said, losing the labs, patient forgot to get the labs or whatever.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you just cut through all of that.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: So um kudos to you.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a fantastic business model.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I've said this to so many guests.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: I wish you were in New York.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: One day, one day we will be.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: But besides the peptides, um, what else?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: What is your just run me through your whole list of what you provide at Evolve?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: All these treatments are tools.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: We you know, we don't have one tool that's a hammer and everything is a nail.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: We have, of course, we have hormones, we have um IVs, we have a lot of not to be the dead horse, but our biggest tool is the genetic test because now we know what tools to use in that in that sphere.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, peptides, of course, micronutrients, IVs.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: We also have EBU machine.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Which is because we want to make sure that the viewers understand what it is.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: So it's uh extracorporal blood, ozone, and oxygenation.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't help you at all because just a bunch of words sprung up together.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: But essentially, um, we for a lack of a better term, we like to call it blood purification because it's just what we do is we take a line of blood from one arm, we run it through a repurposed dialysis filter, we infuse it with ozone and oxygen.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the blood is then run through UAV UV light, and that's put back in the body.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: But sometimes what happens is during that filtration process, some um particles are extracted from the blood that shouldn't necessarily be there.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm being very strategic with my words because this is it's not something that is studied heavily.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: We have taken the extracts from the blood and we have tested it, and there has been bacteria in it.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um there are other facilities that are doing something similar where they're they're they're investigating what's come out of people.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Some have said that there's COVID vaccine related issue things that have been extracted from it.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm being again, I'm being super, super high level on it because I can't get granular with this stuff.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: It would just be so imperfect to do that.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: And microplastics, too.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: We're finding a lot of micro plastics.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Plastics coming out in testing what your blood, correct?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's what we've been hearing.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we've been seeing.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: We have seen some blood clots.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's been really interesting.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: One of them was out of me.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I do have high hemoglobin.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: I am, I've just always had high hemoglobin, so it's not it's not too surprising, but it's still really interesting.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so usually what happens is when people are done with the EPU, man, do they feel amazing?
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: The next day they wake up with so much energy, the brain fog is lifted, especially if they have sleep apnea.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a completely different person that you're speaking to.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um some people have something called a Herx reaction, which is the body just kind of uh dealing with the transition after the eBu.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of toxins and things that the body's trying to kick out, and so people feel like a little bit like flu-like symptoms, and that's normal, that's sometimes expected.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: But for the most part, people feel much more energetic, they're sleeping better, inflammation is down, cognitive functions improved, their eyesight's better, they feel much more euphoric.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: EBU is excellent for somebody who feels dragged down, like that burnout patient that we're talking about.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: This is a nice little boost that people feel after doing an EBU and it lasts for a few weeks, actually.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: So you have GLP1s, um, peptides, blood purification.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: This is all based on genetic testing and blood tests and your lifestyle and a really big, long, intensive intake, which I love because this is not just treat and street.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: And um, did I miss anything?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: What else are you uh providing over there if I missed something?
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things that that we we do with the eboo, just to touch back on that, is we do labs before and labs after.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: And what we've seen with nearly every single patient that we've done, and we've done plus to a thousand patients, is that their metabolic profile improves after we do an eBU.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not like we just test once we test continuously because we want to see the trend, we want to see the pattern.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing research on this.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: EBU doesn't have any research on it, really.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, and since we're a laboratory, I mean, why not?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's like having your own set of Legos, you can just do whatever you want.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you can break the grounds and have the clinical trials yourself, so that's fantastic.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so beyond that, we do have Plaque X, which is excellent for um cardiovascular health when somebody has you know um their lipid profile needs some significant attention.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um as far as the the treatments, we don't have every single treatment available.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: We get the things that are that we could we know how to use and we use them effectively.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: We also have food inflammation testing, so um we see the immune response to foods that could lead to inflammation.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so, of course, we have the tools to deal with something that's happened, but we also want to prevent that thing from happening in the first place, and it's always with what we're putting in the body.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: If your body was in a vacuum, nothing would really happen.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're putting things into your body, these endotoxins and all these uh food proteins that maybe your body doesn't agree with, you're gonna have a potential inflammatory response.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: We want to see what those foods are, and we want to be strategic in removing those foods, redetermining how the patient's feeling, readminister those foods, and now see if there was a difference.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so this is step one, in our opinion, of if you want true longevity, you gotta know what you're putting in your body and how your body's responding to it.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: From your consultation to your lab testing to your follow-up and your um taking your patients by the hand throughout their journey, I think it's fantastic.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I greatly appreciate that.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, can I ask you a question?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: I know this is your podcast, but I always want to know if you had a magic wand and you had the ability to kind of design a template for people to live healthy from your perspective, from your world, what would what would that look like for us?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we would have no single-use plastics anymore at all.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, our parents' generation was food shopping with a non-disposable bag, and they would walk quite often there and walk back, and they would socialize along the way, and we drank out of hoses, and the water was more pure, and our food was not wrapped in plastic, and it was okay.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody died, nobody got sick, our immune systems were actually stronger, people were actually happier, um, children would run from house to house, nobody locked their doors in your neighborhoods.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was just it was a different lifestyle.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I feel like if we could take a step back to make a big leap forward, I think society is a in general, we would be so much happier and healthier for it.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: That was so poetic.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Take a step back, take a leap forward.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's poetry.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's excellent.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love that.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds that sounds like my childhood.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: I know, right?
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like great days.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: But um, for the viewers, please like and subscribe.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you're going to have questions.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: You could reach out to us privately at au.thepod at gmail, or you could leave your questions right here.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: And Michael, for evolve for yourself for questions, for potential patients coming to you.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: How do they find you?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: What's your social media?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Our social media is Evolve Anti-Aging.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you can find us at Evolve Antiaging.com.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, our we're you know, we're listed.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: You just Google us, you'll you'll find us.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um thank you so much for having us.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: It was an absolute pleasure.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, thank you.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I definitely want to circle back.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to have you on in the future.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if I ever am out in your way, I'm gonna call ahead of time and book an appointment.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to come out and meet you, but also I I'd love to come in and get my testing done.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: And there's nothing like that around here that I personally know of that has an incorporated lab here in Manhattan.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I cannot say it enough.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: I keep meeting amazing people such as yourself, and none of y'all are here in Manhattan.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: So call me if you're coming.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: We can talk.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for having us.