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133. Gwen Jorgensen, Runner & Olympic Gold Medalist · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, Emily Abadi here bringing you Episode one thirty
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  Speaker 2: three of Hurdle, a wellness of focused podcast where I
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  Speaker 2: To inspire you to be your best self, move with intention,
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  Speaker 2: and have some fun along the way. For today's episode,
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  Speaker 2: I am chatting with the ever lovely Gwen Jorgensen. She
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  Speaker 2: is an American distance runner and former pro triathlete. We
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  Speaker 2: met shortly after she won gold at the twenty sixteen
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  Speaker 2: Olympics in Rio. I was still working at Self magazine
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  Speaker 2: at the time, and honestly, I've just been such a
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  Speaker 2: fair girl ever since. In today's episode, we talk about
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  Speaker 2: how Gwen had very very different career aspirations. She wanted
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  Speaker 2: to be a CPA after attending college at the University
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  Speaker 2: of Wisconsin, and about a year into that career she
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  Speaker 2: attempted her first triathlon, doing well enough to achieve elite status.
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  Speaker 2: Before she knew it, she had qualified for the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty Olympics and life was never the same. Gwen talks
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  Speaker 2: to me about the hurdle moment of navigating a flat
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  Speaker 2: tire situation in London caused her to come in thirty
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  Speaker 2: eighth place and inspiring her to work harder than ever
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  Speaker 2: to make it back to the Olympic stage in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about the big a life decision she had
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  Speaker 2: to make to follow that a dream, including a move
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  Speaker 2: abroad and the relentless support of her partner Patrick, and
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  Speaker 2: what it was like also to be the first American
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  Speaker 2: woman to win Olympic gold in the triathlon. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: we also get into her more recent decision to leave
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  Speaker 2: triathlon for distance running and what life is like in
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  Speaker 2: Portland right now and how she feels about training with
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  Speaker 2: the Barronman Track Club. This episode is full of goodness,
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  Speaker 3: And that's it for now. With that, let's get to
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  Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Gwen Jorgensenji's an Olympic a
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  Speaker 2: gold medalist in the triathlon. She's also just a household
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  Speaker 2: name when it comes to female athletes.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing today, I'm doing really well. How are you?
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  Speaker 3: I I'm good. I'm like so ready for this heat
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  Speaker 3: to die down, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it has been pretty hot. I actually really like
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  Speaker 1: the heat though, but with all the smoke from the fires,
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  Speaker 1: that's been probably the most difficult thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, talk to me about how that's kind of impacting
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  Speaker 3: you guys right now.
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  Speaker 1: So Portland, I'm in Portland, Oregon, and this folk hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been too bad. But last night we had winds of
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  Speaker 1: sixty miles per hour and the air quality went up
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  Speaker 1: to over two hundred, which is pretty extreme, and you
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  Speaker 1: just would step outside and it smelled like somebody had
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  Speaker 1: a campfire or something in your backyard. So thankfully the
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  Speaker 1: winds kept blowing and blew it all kind of out
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  Speaker 1: and it's back to normal, but it's just so sad.
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  Speaker 1: I think so many places Colorado, California just have super
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  Speaker 1: bad air quality and you can you have to really
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  Speaker 1: be cautious to work out and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: But you guys are doing well regardless, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, really well. Actually, my son is three and he
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  Speaker 1: is starting school today, which is pretty unique. Just one
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  Speaker 1: to be in COVID, but two, it's just he's so
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  Speaker 1: old now and it's just a little sad to see
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  Speaker 1: him grow up.
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  Speaker 3: So is he in school physically?
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  Speaker 1: So he's going to a Yes, he's going to a school.
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  Speaker 1: It's an outdoor school. Oh yeah, yeah, so they spend it.
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  Speaker 1: We actually wanted to join what we knew this last
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  Speaker 1: year and we like pre applied and then we didn't
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  Speaker 1: know what would happened with COVID. But because it's an
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  Speaker 1: outdoor school, there's one teacher and there's only eight kids,
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  Speaker 1: so it's super small group. So it's like their own
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  Speaker 1: little pod, which I think a lot of people are doing.
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  Speaker 1: They have some neighbors and they create these pods, but
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  Speaker 1: this is just what they normally do. The school is
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  Speaker 1: called Forest Friends, and it's just about like exploring the outdoors.
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  Speaker 1: And that's something we're really into with my son, Stanley
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  Speaker 1: is just kind of letting them explore and being outside.
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  Speaker 1: And I do think, you know, just for me, I
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  Speaker 1: get so much joy from being outside that hopefully he
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  Speaker 1: does too.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to me kind of funny.
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  Speaker 2: Recently, you took a little time away from Portland and
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  Speaker 2: went on a little bit of vacation. I think I
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  Speaker 2: saw at one point like people were tweeting about it.
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  Speaker 2: Someone wrote about it. Is it weird to be in
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  Speaker 2: a place where people are like writing about you going
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  Speaker 2: on occasion?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, I yeah, I spent some time as
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Stanley and I we had some downtime and we
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  Speaker 1: went to visit Pat's parents and they have a lake house,
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  Speaker 1: and the local newspaper there did a little article and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, this olympian is training for the Olympics
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  Speaker 1: in our lake because I did some swimming in their lake,
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  Speaker 1: and I just found it funny, comical, But it was
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  Speaker 1: really nice to just recharge. I actually, since I've started
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  Speaker 1: running professionally, which is four years ago now, I have
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  Speaker 1: never taken a break where I either haven't been recovering
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  Speaker 1: from giving birth or injured, and so to have that
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  Speaker 1: break was just so refreshing, and I think it really
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  Speaker 1: recharged me and just made me even more motivated than
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  Speaker 1: I had been.
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  Speaker 2: So, as you mentioned, you're in Portland now, but you
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  Speaker 2: did not grow up there, So why don't we dial
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  Speaker 2: it back and you talk to me a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about what life was like for you growing up.
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  Speaker 1: Life growing up was pretty awesome. I had two parents
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  Speaker 1: that just supported me unconditionally. I had an older sister
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  Speaker 1: who I wanted to be like. So I remember growing
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  Speaker 1: up my parents they made us choose one musical instrument
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  Speaker 1: and one sport and we had to do that from
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  Speaker 1: like age five until all the way through high school.
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  Speaker 1: And when I was little, I picked the violin to
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  Speaker 1: play because that's what my sister played, and I thought
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  Speaker 1: she was the coolest person. I still think she's the
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  Speaker 1: coolest person. And so I did that. And then I
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  Speaker 1: picked swimming for my sport, which my parents, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't know anything about swimming, and swimming was my thing.
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  Speaker 1: My sister did basketball, she did track, but no one
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  Speaker 1: in our family had a history of swimming, and it
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  Speaker 1: was just something that was my own. And so that's
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  Speaker 1: what I did. And it would say, you know, growing
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  Speaker 1: up as I got older, swimming became too obsessive for me,
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  Speaker 1: and I put all my self worth and everything I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do into swimming. And I remember having probably
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  Speaker 1: some anger towards my mom because I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: play the violin because sometimes it overlapped was swimming. And
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  Speaker 1: I just think back to those times and I'm so
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  Speaker 1: thankful I did do violin and I did do swimming,
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  Speaker 1: and I had this well rounded background. You know. They
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  Speaker 1: also my parents put me in track when my sister
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  Speaker 1: was going to track camp because it was just easy
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  Speaker 1: to drop us both off in the summertime together and
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  Speaker 1: pick us up at the same time. And I did
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  Speaker 1: a little basketball as well. But I think me growing up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I lived in Waukeshaw, Wisconsin. There's super cold winters.
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  Speaker 1: But for me, I was, you know, mostly just in
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  Speaker 1: the pool every day because that's where my heart was at.
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  Speaker 3: What were you swimming at the time.
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  Speaker 1: So when I grew up, I was swimming like long
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  Speaker 1: distance freestyle events. But you know, when I was first started,
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  Speaker 1: obviously it was like doing twenty five meters and all
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  Speaker 1: just about fun. And I think my competitive nature came
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  Speaker 1: out pretty quickly. I by the age of like nine
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  Speaker 1: and ten. You know, I was trying to make the
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  Speaker 1: state need and had these big goals when I was
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  Speaker 1: a little child. Actually I dreamed of going to the
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  Speaker 1: Olympics and swimming when I was younger, but I quickly
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  Speaker 1: realized that I wasn't good enough in swimming to make
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  Speaker 1: it professionally.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned being a little bit obsessive.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, aside from getting a little frustrated about it
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  Speaker 2: cutting into your other extracurriculars with the violin and everything,
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  Speaker 2: what behaviors or what can you really identify that was
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  Speaker 2: kind of a red flag for you in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just I think my identity was too
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  Speaker 1: much in swimming. I think it was really good for
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  Speaker 1: me that I had swimming as a sport that was
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  Speaker 1: my own. It wasn't something somebody else had told me
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  Speaker 1: to do or thought I should do. And I've always
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  Speaker 1: been kind of really independent and really stubborn and growing up.
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  Speaker 1: I looking back, I just realized I was too immersed
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  Speaker 1: in it, and I put too much self worth attached
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  Speaker 1: to my performances. And you know, it was every day
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  Speaker 1: in the pool. I'd look at those times and I
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  Speaker 1: if I wasn't getting faster every day. I would just
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  Speaker 1: be really down on myself. I let it affect my moods.
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  Speaker 1: I would say I got a little depressed at times
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  Speaker 1: because I was sad if I didn't go a pr
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  Speaker 1: and I actually noticed my performances, you know, looking back,
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  Speaker 1: I was somebody who would perform my best in training
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  Speaker 1: and not in racing. And I think it's because I
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  Speaker 1: put so much pressure on myself. I put all my
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  Speaker 1: self worth into how I would perform, and looking back
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  Speaker 1: that silly. You know, your friends and family don't love
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  Speaker 1: you based on how you well you do in athletics.
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  Speaker 1: But I was just so young, and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I realized that, even though my parents were so supportive
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  Speaker 1: no matter what. I just remember i'd have like a
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  Speaker 1: a good race looking back, and I would think, oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, that was horrible, and my dad and mom
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  Speaker 1: would be like that was great, Quinn, good job, Like
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  Speaker 1: how did you feel? And I would just be grumpy,
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  Speaker 1: a grumpy teenage girl. I'd be like, oh, it was horrible,
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  Speaker 1: I know, and I'd just storm off. And it was
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  Speaker 1: really bad back then, I think, But that's just growing
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  Speaker 1: up and kind of learning, you know, how to handle sport.
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  Speaker 1: And how to handle failures and how to handle success.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting that you bring that up.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't want to bounce around too much here,
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  Speaker 2: but I know, for example, like when you took on
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  Speaker 2: Chicago for your first official marathon, I'm sure you had
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of disappointment in that as well. So
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  Speaker 2: what changes then from a mindset perspective when we talk
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  Speaker 2: about how to handle those you know, races or competitions
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  Speaker 2: that didn't go as you had hoped back in swimming
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  Speaker 2: to now in this next chapter which we will get
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  Speaker 2: to of being a professional athlete.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the biggest change for me that helped
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  Speaker 1: me was is focusing more on the process instead of
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  Speaker 1: the outcome. So even in training, you know, just knowing
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  Speaker 1: that you're always going to be at different cycles, So
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  Speaker 1: you can't compare this week's workouts to last weeks, even
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  Speaker 1: if you're doing the same thing. If you did mile
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  Speaker 1: repeats last week and you're doing mile repeats this week,
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  Speaker 1: you can't compare your times. And if you go slower
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  Speaker 1: this week, you can't say, oh, I'm a worse athlete.
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  Speaker 1: You go faster, you can't say I'm a better athlete.
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  Speaker 1: It's this big picture, and it's knowing that you know
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  Speaker 1: what if this week maybe I was a little more
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  Speaker 1: fatigued and I went slower, but I executed. I'm keeping
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  Speaker 1: my cadence high and I had you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: activating my glutes and I was making sure that my
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  Speaker 1: arms were relaxed. That is more of a win than
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  Speaker 1: what the clock says. And so for me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you brought up Chicago. It was a huge disappointment for
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  Speaker 1: me and my training leading into that race, I felt
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  Speaker 1: like was good I had. There was one workout in
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  Speaker 1: an entire you know, four month cycle that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: hit the time. Otherwise I was hitting my times or
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  Speaker 1: going below and keeping my mileage up and keeping my form.
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  Speaker 1: And Chicago, I actually I had a fever when I
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  Speaker 1: ran it and wasn't feeling well. I was sick, And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think looking back, I just realized, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well I've built this base, and this base doesn't disappear.
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  Speaker 1: Even if the result of that race wasn't what I wanted.
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  Speaker 1: I still have this foundation that I built that I
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  Speaker 1: can build on in future years. And so you know,
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  Speaker 1: for me, I look at races and I think, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I still look at what can I improve upon? Where
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  Speaker 1: could I make some changes? But I don't dwell on it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I give myself twenty four hours to be upset,
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  Speaker 1: and I move on and realize what I can change.
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  Speaker 1: And I also look at the positives. I think for me,
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  Speaker 1: I learned I tend to always look at the negatives,
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  Speaker 1: and so I started a journal where I just write
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  Speaker 1: down three positives every day of what I've done, process based,
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  Speaker 1: like what are some processes the techniques that I worked
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  Speaker 1: on day and that were a good thing. And that's
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  Speaker 1: something that's really gave me more confidence and allowed me
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  Speaker 1: to believe in myself and become a better athlete.
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  Speaker 3: I love that piece of advice.
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  Speaker 2: I also think before what you were saying about this
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  Speaker 2: idea of associating your worth with how you were performing
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  Speaker 2: and really identifying back then as a swimmer. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is something that comes up time and time again
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  Speaker 2: in these conversations that I'm having here on the show,
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  Speaker 2: where especially with injury, it's like when you get injured
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  Speaker 2: and you can't execute on this thing that you identify with,
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  Speaker 2: it's so it's tough, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, it's super tough. And when you're a professional athlete
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  Speaker 1: and you're getting paid to do something and you can't
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  Speaker 1: do it, you feel even worse. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: do think having something outside of sport is something that's
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  Speaker 1: super important and something I learned in my professional career
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  Speaker 1: very early on. You know, I came out of college
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  Speaker 1: and did travel on and they actually recruited me into
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  Speaker 1: this sport and so it wasn't it wasn't what I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do. I wanted to be a CPA and
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  Speaker 1: I was still working as a as a Certified Public accountant.
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  Speaker 1: And I think having something outside of sport taught me
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  Speaker 1: that I wasn't just sport, and that I realized really
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  Speaker 1: helped me perform long term. It was less stress and
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, you know, perform to perform, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty basic. You got to do the training and
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  Speaker 1: you have to eliminate other stressors. And for me, having
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  Speaker 1: things outside of sport is something that relieves stress for
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  Speaker 1: me and just allowed me to do sport.
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  Speaker 2: Talk to me about college. You went to the University
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  Speaker 2: of Wisconsin, right.
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  Speaker 1: That's correct, yep, go Badgers.
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  Speaker 3: So talk to me.
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  Speaker 2: Talk me through what college was like for you, because
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  Speaker 2: you said you were really enthusiastic about graduating and being
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  Speaker 2: a CPA.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I in swimming in my high school years. I
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  Speaker 1: think I realized that's when I realized a touch on
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  Speaker 1: this earlier, that I wasn't gonna be a professional swimmer.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't making nationals or anything like that.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: But I loved swimming, and I really wanted to swim
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: in college. And so I begged swimming teams to let
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: me swim on their teams. And I decided I wanted
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: to go to the University of Wisconsin, and I just
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: begged the coaches over and over again to let me
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: be a walk on. I had no place being there,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: but they let me come on the team. And I
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: swam my freshman, sophomore, and junior year. And you know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I was never making NC double a's, I wasn't scoring
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: in the Conference Big Ten, and I loved it, but
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I also realized, like it became a little frustrating, I'd say,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: seeing all of my teammates and my best friends and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: my roommates who were all swimmers, they were all improving,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: and they were all going to NC double a's, and
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: my junior year, I when all my teammates were training
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: for NC double a's and I was on break because
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I hadn't qualified. I remember talking to my high school
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: track coach and he was like, when you should run
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: at Wisconsin and I just laughed. I was like, I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: know the difference between high school and college level sport
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: because I've done it in swimming, and I was like,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I haven't run in three years, like and even when
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I did run, I wasn't that good, Like, you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I never broke five minutes in a mile or anything
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: even close to that. And my high school coach just
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: made a call. And I remember the track coach at
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin sent me an email and said, hey, come out
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and do a time trial this week. And I was like, oh,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: what do I have to lose? So I went and
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: did time trial, did some four hundreds, and he's like,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: all right, let's go to a meet this weekend. And
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: my jow just dropped to the ground. I'm like, what
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in the world. And so my junior year, I actually
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: ended up after a swim season, I joined the track
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: team midway through their outdoor season and had some success,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Like I think I was one or two people off
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: of making NCAA's that first season, and I spent the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: summer really thinking, you know what am I going to do?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Am I going to try to do swimming and running
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: next year? And the more I thought about it, the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: more I really wanted a team sport, and I knew
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: cross country it was something where it's this team sport,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: everyone comes together, you're working towards a bigger goal, and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be a part of something like that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: So I decided to quit swimming and I did cross
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: country that next year and became a full time runner.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Did you have an area when you were triathlon ing?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Is that how we say it triathlunning? Sure that was
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: your favorite versus your least favorite?
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely running was my favorite. So you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I ran in college and I wanted to do I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: was like, oh man, professional running would be so cool.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: But I just felt like I couldn't support myself if
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I was a professional runner. And I remember my parents saying,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: we'll pay for you, know you to be a professional runner,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: and I was just like no, Like, I'm this independent
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: woman and I want to support myself. I'm not going
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: to do anything unless I can do it myself. And
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I think that's a big reason why as well. I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: wanted to be a CPA and have my accounting job
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: out of college. Is I wanted just that independence and
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to know that I am this strong woman.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I dig that. I love that vibe for you.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: So, Okay, so you loved running and then you leave
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: swimming in favor of running, and so how does that
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: pan out for you when you really really commit yourself
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah? For running, you know, I ended up being NCAA
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: All American and you know Big ten champion three k,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: five k, and you know some top times in Wisconsin
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: history running, which is pretty phenomenal just knowing the history
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of Wisconsin running. And for me, I think what really
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: gave me a big edge was knowing what it was
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: like to be the worst on a team in swimming,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and then I come to this sport and I can
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: see the other side of it. And I just loved
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: being able to kind of understand and relate to some
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: of my teammates who were working their butts off same
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: as me, but maybe weren't getting those performances that they
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to. And I feel like I was able to
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: really just enjoy the team atmosphere because I felt like
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I could connect with everyone and kind of understand where
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: people were coming from and you know, for me, it
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: was a huge shock the success I was having and running,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: but it was also super fun. And I'm sure the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: years of my swim training aerobically gave me a boost
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in my running. But it was just something that you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I'd been working my whole life in sport, and maybe
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: it was a different sport than running, but to have
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that success with something that was it was enjoyable. I mean,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: when you do well, it's enjoyable.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, totally.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And I mean in that process for you, as you
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: were transitioning to mostly running and away from swimming, did
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: any of the coaches that you were working with on
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the run side comment on that perhaps like complimentary effect
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: for example? And I asked this because people are asking
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: me this. I've been cycling a lot more lately, and
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I've been as a result, I would argue running faster
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: than I ever have. Yeah, So did you notice like
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: complimentary effects on one or the other?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think I swam a little bit throughout,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: especially the first year of running. I was only running
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: like thirty miles a week, and so just having that base,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I was definitely doing that. But you know, and then
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: in Traflon. Actually, when I was doing Traughlon, I noticed
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: that my run times were getting faster than they were
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: in college. And I'm like, this is weird because in
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: college I was just running and like, I'm running way
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: last as a trathlete, but my times were improving. So
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I definitely think if your body can't handle the high mileage,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: supplementing it with with swimming and biking definitely can improve
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: your run times.
• 24:05
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• 26:02
  Speaker 2: be a CPA, but you said the calls kind of
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: start coming in.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Talk to me about that.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Barblinquist was with USA Traflon College recruitment program,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and she had talked to me in when I was
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: still going to school, and she just kind of became
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a mentor. She said, you know, Gwen, on paper, you're
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: better than me. And I was an Olympian, I think
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you could be great at this. And the first time
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: she called, I actually just laughed. I was like, I
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: didn't even know Traflon was an Olympic sport, Like I
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: thought she was recruiting me into iron Man and I
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: just was clueless about the whole thing. And she didn't
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: give up. And I think the you know, for me,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I always wanted I needed to make decisions on my
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: own terms. I could never have somebody tell me I'm
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: good at something and I should just do it, like
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: it needed to be my decision. And she never really
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: forced it on me. She just had these weekly calls
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and she became a really great mentor from me. She
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: talked to me about, you know, transitioning from school to
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: after college and working and all these things. And she
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: just called me weekly and was a mentor a friend.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And I just remember one time she called and she
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: normally she wouldn't even talk about Traflon and this one
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: time she said, well, one, you know, are you are
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you going to work out still when you're working at
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Ernstein Young the coming firm, And I said, yeah, I'm
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: still going to keep active. And she said, well, you know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: we could get to a bike for free and a
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: coach and you could just do this part time, you know,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: when you want. And I was like, okay, Like I'll
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: give Traflon a shot. And within the year I qualified
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: for my first Olympics.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Casual talk to me about qualifying for the Olympics.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: You know, that was actually probably one of the hardest
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: parts of my career because I was so new to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the sport. I qualified, and I felt guilty. I went
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: into this race. I think I was ranked like fifty
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: third out of sixty athletes and I ended up getting
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: second at the race and that qualified me for the Olympics,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: and I just remember feeling guilty. You know. There was
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: some talks, some rumors, some people on the team, the
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: USA team who said, you know, the only reason g
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: One qualified was because it was a running race. It
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't a true triathlon. She can't bike, she's not that
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: great at swimming, and all these comments, and you know,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: for me, I really was like, oh man, maybe that
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: is true. Like I've only been doing this sport for
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a year, and it was actually a really tough couple
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of weeks for me. And I think a couple things
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: helped me, and one was my parents were actually there
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: in Europe when it happened, and we had planned this
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: trip after that qualifying event. We were going to go
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: to Denmark because my heritage Jorgensen is from Denmark, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: my dad really wanted to see it, and so it
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: was just kind of like this fun family vacation and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: just having my parents there and getting away from Traflon
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: for a week and just talking about family stuff and
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: nothing sport related really helped me. And as well, I
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: had a friend who said to me his name was
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Chad Hartley. It was actually Patrick, my husband's friend, who
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: was my boy boyfriend at the time. His friend just said,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: when you know, you may not have been doing travel
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: on your whole life, but you've been swimming and running
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: your whole life, and it's not like you just haven't
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: been doing anything and just within a year qualified like
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you've been preparing your whole life. You just didn't realize it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And I think that gave me the confidence to think,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you know what, I do deserve this, and I want
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to do this, and I've had dreams of going to
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the Olympics and this is a dream of mine and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I want to do well and represent our country at
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the highest level.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: How do you move forward and quote unquote put the
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: blinders on when criticism comes in.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, back in those early days of Traflon,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I had a more difficult time with it. But something
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: that Traflon, as well as sport in general, and then
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: as well my husband, have given me is just confidence
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: in myself. And especially in this day and age when
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: everything's on social media, everything you post, everything you say
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: is you know, up for criticism. You know you're going
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: to post a picture and for some reason, if you're
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a female, people are going to comment on the way
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you look. And it's just funny because each camera angle
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: is so different and a lot of times when you
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: post pictures, they're not even from that day, they're from
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: previous times. And I think for me, I've just gained
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: so much confidence through sport and through my husband loving
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: me as I am, that I've learned that it just
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. People are always going to say negative things
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: comes with the territory. It's something that it's hard to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: learn to not listen to that. But I a lot
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of times just find it comical. You know. All through
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: my traflon career, people said I wasn't a good biker,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I was never going to do well and I ended
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: up winning a gold medal at on a course that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: was really technical and hard on the bike. And you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I think people are they love to be armed. What
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: is it called sofa armchair critics? What's that?
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I think? Armchair?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, people they just you know, sit back
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: in their homes and they're not doing it, but they
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: think they know what's best for us. And I've learned
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I'm confident in who I am. I know that I'm
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: doing my best on a on a daily basis. Yes
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not perfect. Yes I can improve in many areas,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: but I know what I need to work on, and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: for me, I just focus on myself and knowing that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I'm confident in myself has given me the ability to
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: not let those negative comments affect me.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Have you worked with sports psychologists.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have many times over the years, and you
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: know that that's probably helped me as well. You know,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: gain that confidence and to realize how to focus on myself.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: But I really think the two biggest things have just
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: been the confidence that sports gives me. So you know,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: focusing on those processes instead of the outcome has given
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: me confidence in myself knowing that I'm working on these
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: techniques today and yeah, maybe that won't show in today's execution,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: but long term, if I keep working on these correct
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: techniques and correct process, long term, the outcome is going
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to be there. And so that's given me confidence. And
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: as well, just having people that accept me for who
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I am outside of sport is something that has given
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: me a ton of confidence as well.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Really important stuff.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, so then chat me through your first Olympics and
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: what that was like for you.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, my first Olympics. So you know, I got second
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: in the test event, which was the same people, same
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: course the year before, and so I had high hopes
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that you know, I wouldn't say I was the favorite,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: but I would say I was. I was talked about
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: in the in the metal mix, and I went to
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: it with high hopes. And I had a okay swim,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: not a great swim, got in the bike and had
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a flat tire which I've never gotten in a race,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: never previous, never after, And I just remember I was
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: so new to this sport. I was asking people, some
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: of the competitors around me. I was like, do I
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: have a flat tire? I was like, oh, my gosh,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: do I really? And They're like, yes, you have a
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: flat tire. And so in Trothlon you have to stop
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: at these you have to make it to these tire
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: pit stops basically, and people can't help you, so you
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: have to get off your bike, you have to change
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the wheel yourself, and then get on your way. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I just remember thinking there was so many times in
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: that race when I after that flat tire, I had
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: negative thoughts of like, oh should I just stop, like
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I'm so far behind, And being at the Olympics, I
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: think gave me the motivation to give in my all
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and to continue on. And I had, you know, one
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: of the fastest runs of the day. I think I
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: ended up like mid thirties. And I finished that race though,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and just thought, Wow, I want to do this again.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I think I can win a gold medal, and I'm
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: going to spend the next four years trying to hone
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: in on this.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Draft for those that aren't completely familiar. Let's just recap
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the distances involved in an Olympic triathlon.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yep. So it's a fifteen hundred meter swim, a forty
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: k bike, and a ten k run and it takes
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: about two hours to complete the entire event.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: And that's two hours for someone your level.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: So if you're if you were like a because I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: feel like, for an example, like if the goal the
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: coveted goal for like marathon ers beginners, like they always
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: say like I want to sub four. So if you're
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: going into an Olympic level triathlon and you're like a
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: regular human, good, what's a good benchmark? Oh?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Man, I don't even know.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Is there not like a sub for equivalent?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: No? I mean so it's interesting in traflon, and I
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: think this is another reason I've gotten so good at
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: not focusing on times like in so many and I
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: used to be so honed in on like the pace
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: clock and always looking at times, And same with runners,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I think you're always looking at like pace and in
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: travelon there's no like world record for times, there's no
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: just time is not really a focal point, which I love.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I love that too.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: It's just I think it really hones in on you
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: doing your best, and you know, every course is so different,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: same with marathons, Like some are hilly, some are flat,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's windy, and so I don't know, I just
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I would be totally guessing. If I said, like a time,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: maybe double what I would do, So maybe like three
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: or four hours. I have no idea.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Lasting over here. Just just double my normal, you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: for like the coverage.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Feel like I sound bad.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: No, you don't sound bad. You just sound like an
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: elite level athlete.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, if like I don't know, pick like any
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: sport and they were like, oh, a normal person to
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: probably do double that, I would say, that's pretty pretty
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: damn good. Okay, So you make this decision for yourself.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: The next four years of your life leading up to
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen in Rio are going to be you dedicated
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: to being the best triathlete you can be.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, my husband Patrick, I think the only,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: definitely the only reason I was able to do this
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: was that was my boyfriend at the time, and I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: knew that in order to do this, I needed to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: be in a daily training environment, so where my coach
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: was there and I had a group of basically competitors
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that I was training with every single day, so I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: could kind of push myself see where I was at
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: be confronted with the world standard on a day basis.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: And so in order to do that, I needed to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: move abroad for like nine months of the year. And
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I'm a homebody. I didn't want to leave home. And
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Patrick said, well, you know what, I will move with you.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Would you do it then? And I was like, oh
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: my goodness, like we are not at this point in
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: our relationship, but okay, yes, like thanks to it, And
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: so he moved abroad with me. I think that's when
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: really everything, you know, really changed dramatically. Pat became basically
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: he used to be a professional cyclist and he quit
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: that to support me, and he knew what I needed
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: because he came from a sporting background. And I think
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: him being able to support me in that way allowed
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: me to overcome the challenges of being away from home.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: And you know, I was in this group where I
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: didn't have any friends. I just moved across the country,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: or not across the country, to a new country. I
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: was in Australia, didn't have any friends there. Everything was different.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: People drove on the opposite side of the road, like
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: nothing was east. And then we spent the second half
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: of the year in Spain, actually in the Basque region
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: where they speak Basque, not even Spanish, so I couldn't
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: understand anything. And just having Pat there was something that
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: allowed me to really focus on just my job, which
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: was Traslon.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Was that hard for you to like accept that next
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: level amount of like I want to be here for you,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: this is going to be good. He wants to like
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: literally just put to the side what he's doing to
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: show up. I feel like, I mean, I think about
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: like my love languages, and I would be like, I
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: don't even know how I would handle it.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when when he told me he was going to
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: quit being a professional cyclist, I really was taken aback
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and I was like, no, don't do this, like you're
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: gonna basically hate me long term, because you're gonna regret
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: not pursuing your dream to follow mine. And Pat's he's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: a caretaker. He gets joy out of caring for others,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: and so you know, I didn't really know that at
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the time, And it's so funny to think back because
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: now I'm always like, continue to care for me, like
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I've gotten so used to him just being there for
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: me and doing everything that I'm like, no, no, never
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: go back. But you know, I think for him, he
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: got a lot of joy out of it, and he
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: saw my potential and he wanted to be a part
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: of something of being an Olympic champion, Like he knew
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I could do that, and so he knew that I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: needed help as well to do that, and so him,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: he got a lot of joy out of out of
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: doing it as well. And it was our journey, our
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: metal and it wasn't just me. He knew that it
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: was him as well, and that I couldn't have done
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: it without him. So yeah, it was super scary at
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the beginning. I really didn't want him to do it
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, but I'm so so thankful. You know.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: It took a couple of months to definitely adjust and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: figure out what our roles would be and how he
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: would do that within our relationship, But I loved it,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and I continue to love his support and everything he does.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: It's a great perspective when you think about, aside from
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: moving abroad, when you think about the ways that you
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: may have had to pivot or how life had to
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: change when you really shifted your focus and had this big,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: solid goal. Do you reflect on anything in particular that
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: was like the biggest change you had to make in
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: that process.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I think it was a mental shift. Something my trathlon
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: coach Jamie Turner told me was to view things as
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: an investment instead of a sacrifice. So originally, when I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: talked to him about moving abroad, I was like, that's
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: too big of a sacrifice. I'm never going to see
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: my family. I can't come home for weddings, I can't
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: come home for holidays. And you know, he kept saying, well,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: is it a sacrifice or is it an investment? Are
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you putting money in the bank for this metal that
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you're going to earn that will pay off and pay dividends?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: And that really was a huge shift in my mental
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: state that allowed me, I think, to put in the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: efforts and to keep me sane in what I was
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: doing during that time, just knowing that everything I'm doing
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: is an investment in myself and we're working towards this goal.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: And you know, skipping a friends party or going to
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: bed early, or you know, not being able to talk
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: to my mom for a week because I'm abroad is
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: an investment. It's not a sacrifice. And that's something that
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I think just allowed me to really enjoy the process more,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: enjoy the process more, and realize that I was doing
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: something to I was doing something to make it a
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: bigger goal and something almost bigger than myself.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to in my head. I love that perspective
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: and that approach to it. So I'm thinking about that
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: in relevance to I guess other life things like an
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: investment when you have to set boundaries with other people,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: like I personally, I feel like twenty twenty is the
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: year that I'm really working to have better boundaries for
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: self care. And so when I think about these boundaries
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: being an investment in myself rather than me like diminishing
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the way that someone.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Else might feel. I don't know, it's just like a
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: really interesting approach for sure.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like as well, like when you do things
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: for yourself, it's actually more fair to other people as
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: well if you're upfront and you say what you need.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to say what I need. And you know,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: when people ask me to do stuff, I used to
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: be a yes woman, and now I'm actually more like
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: a no, but that I think is almost respectful in
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: other people of respectful of other people's times, Like if
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: you're not going to enjoy it, the other person's going
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: to kind of kind of get that on their end
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and they're going to not enjoy it as much either.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: And I think it's really good to have those boundaries.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: And I think we all have our own stuff in
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: our life and we can't worry about trying to please others.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I think if we have the right heart and intentions,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: you don't need to say yes to everything. You need
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: to do what's best with your long term goals and
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: self and well.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Being for sure. For sure.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're in a four year training cycle here, we're
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: gearing up for the Olympics, and things are going well,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: question Mark.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely ups and downs, you know. I remember
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I wasn't I had like one sponsor at the time
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: when I first went over to Australia. I think I
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: was making like fifteen grand for the year, which did
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: not caught Like that did not even cover patent my
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: living expenses, Like it was super expensive to live in
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Australia and in Spain, and we had all these plane
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: tickets and like I had to pay for pat plane
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: tickets and which I'm not complaining about, but you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it was this huge investment that we were making. And
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I knew when I quit accounting that I had money
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: in the bank to do trathlon for like two years.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: And I was working really hard. Training was going super well,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and I in my first race and I DNF. It
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: was my first DNF, and I just remember I was
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: like out on the course. I got out of the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: swim and the in the Olympic distance, the traathlons I do,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: everything's looped, so it was like the eight laps on
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: the bike course, you know, four laps on the run,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: so you pass people every time. And I got out
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: and the first lap of the bike my coach and
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: my husband are just on the sidelines and they're like
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: stop stop, like doing like the cut of like your
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: neck symbol. And I was like, oh, I'm going to
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: prove them wrong. I can still do this. And I
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: go around and another lap and they're like stop stop,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and I'm just like no, I'm going to do this.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like in shape, I'm ready come around the third
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: lap and I was like I need to be done,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: and so I pull off the course where they were,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: and this man on the side of the street's like,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: were you looking for those two men that kept yelling
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: at you? And I was like yeah, and he said, oh,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: they're in the bar having a drink and I was like,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: oh no. I was questioning everything I was doing, like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: can I do this? What's going to happen? And my
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: coach had a very important conversation with me, and it
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: was you know, I think it comes back to this
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: theme of focusing on the process. And he's like, when
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you're doing everything right, you don't need to go back
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: to the drawing board and change everything, which is what
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I initially thought. I'm like, we need to change everything
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and he's like, no, no, like you're on the right track.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Just continue along. Things will fall into place. It just
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: takes time. And my very next race I won. It
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: was the first World Travelon Series, which is the highest
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: level of racing and traugh on. It was my first win,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: first American female win ever, and so I think that's
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: something that taught me a lot. And you know, from there,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: it wasn't all roses. There was another point in that quad,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: like a year later, when I wanted to quit. I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: had three races in a row that just went horribly.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I had a bunch of crashes and so I was crashing.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I crashed out of a race. One race I crashed,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and then I continue to finish, but I was just like,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: oh my god, it's like my skills aren't good enough.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I get too scared. I can't do this. Then there
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: was another race where, you know, looking back, it sounds
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: silly because I got third, which getting third place is amazing,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: but to me, I knew that I had more in me.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: And I think the reason I wanted to quit after
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: that race was because mentally I wasn't engaged in that race,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: and I thought, I don't have mentally what it takes
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: to win and to get the most out of myself.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: And I think that's really when I used a psychologist
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and as well, I took a break. I did like
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: two weeks, Pat and I just went We were in Europe,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: we were living in Spain, so we just went on
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: this two week like European vacation. I stopped journaling, I
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: stopped thinking about Traflon. I just kind of gave myself
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: a reset and a break, and you know, I realized, Okay,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I have been doing all these processes, right, and I
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: think with a little bit of work, I can get
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: my mental game back into this, you know, my heart
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: back into this. And yeah, so I was able to
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: overcome that, and I think in any quad it's hard.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: You know, four years is a long time to focus
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: on one event, and you're gonna have ups and downs.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: And when people look at my career, they only talk
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: about I had this big winning streak, and it seems,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I was world champion and like the two
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: years leading up to the Olympics, and people only see
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: those positives and they forget like, oh, well, one of
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the years for the World Championship, I was supposed to
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: be world champion and I crashed out and didn't finish
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and ended up getting like fifth in the series. And
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: there's just these negative times where you know, I wanted
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to quit and I wasn't, you know, really invested in it,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: and you have these ups and downs, and I think
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: it's important to know that, especially I guess right now
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I'm comparing it to my running career, and it's frustrating
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: because I expect so much of myself because I have
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: been an Olympic gold medalist, like I've been the best,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: and so I'm comparing myself to that, and it's really
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: easy to forget all those negative and all those hard
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: times and all those times when you didn't win, because
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: even in the media, I think people remember the good
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and they don't necessarily remember those hard times.
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  Speaker 2: Than what in all of this difficulty, throughout all of
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: these hurdles, what is the thread that keeps you going
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: forward and keeps you positive.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: There's a few things, I think, you know. One is
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: just the journaling I started when I started with my
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: uh trathlon coach in twenty thirteen, which was just writing
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: three positive things a day. And there are days when
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I write like I drink enough water today, Like it's
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: like the most ridiculous positive thing, because I'm just like
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: in a bad mood and don't want to write something positive.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: But I look back at these journals when I'm struggling,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and it gives me so much confidence knowing that every
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: day I'm working towards my bigger goal. And I think
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: what keeps me motivated is wanting to find my best.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: So you know, a big reason why I quit Traflon
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and started running was because I haven't found my potential
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: in running. I felt like I found my potential in Traflon,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: And for me, something that's really motivating is knowing I
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: haven't reached my potential and I want to see what
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: is there inside of me, Like how good can I
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: how fast can I run? And I think the challenge
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: of like having to overcome those hurdles, having to overcome
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: them times when mentally you're not motivated, or mentally you
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: feel like you can't do it, or physically you know
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: it's really hot out and you're just like, oh my gosh,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I just feel like my legs are two thousand pounds.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: And those are the times that I think really motivate
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: me because I think I just want to know, like
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: can I do this for sure?
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: And I think I mean, obviously, the big takeaway often
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: is that we learn more from these hurdles and these
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: quote unquote failures than we might win from our victories.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: But I'm curious to know now.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: As we segue into chatting about the twenty sixteen Olympics,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: which was such a huge moment in your career, what
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: did you take away from that big victorious experience.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I took away a lot. I think my biggest takeaway
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: is that I could never do this on my own.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I had such a big support system, and I had
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: people that believed in me before I believed in myself.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: I had my husband who was basically gave up everything
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: to support me, my coach who has invested, my teammates,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: and you know, I think, like, you can't do this
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: on your own. And I think I also realized, you know,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: it's so incredibly hard to focus for four years on
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: one day, one event, and that one day comes and
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: it's like, what is the likelihood that that day's going
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: to come and you're going to feel amazing? Like, yeah,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you kind of like you can taper and you can
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: like do these things to hopefully like make your body
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: feel good. But the likelihood of you waking up on
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: race day at the Olympics and feeling amazing is very low.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: You're probably going to be stressed. Everything's different, everything's new.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: You've been focusing on it for so long, and I
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: think being able to overcome that and to perform on
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: one day that's been like on the calendar for four
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: years it's just so incredibly difficult. And I think I
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: learned that I can stand up to these big challenges
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: and I know how to mentally get on my game,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: and knowing that I have people supporting me and that
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I can rely on is something that can really be
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: It's what makes a successful team is making it a
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: team and not just about yourself.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Right, And so when you're on the podium or when
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: you cross the finish line, talk to me about what
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: you remember from those moments.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. I it's interesting. My mom's actually writing
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: a book about me for like middle school, like an
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: autobiography for middle schoolers, and she just had this conversation
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: with me, and she really wanted me to say more.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: But for me, all I remember is like I crossed
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the finish line. I was in tears. I was just
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: brawling and I like never cry at the end of
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: a race. And I think for me it was I
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: was holding it together for four years and finally I
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: just like, oh my gosh, I did it. I can
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: just let everything go. It was this huge, just like
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: cry of relief that I had done it. And all
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I remember is I just wanted to see Patrick, my husband,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and my coach Jamie, and I couldn't like get to
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: them because there's so much security. And I remember I
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: saw my coach Jamie and I was like, I'm going
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: over there, and the race officials are like, you have
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: to stay here, you can't move, and I just remember
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I just was like, I want a hug. I want
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: to like thank the people that have helped me, Like
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: just just let me like see my people, like I
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: just did it. Let me do like what I want
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: to do. I just want to give a hug, Like
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: what's the big deal. And so all I remember from
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: those moments is like just wanting to be with Patrick
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: and my coach and just celebrate with them because they
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: were the ones that got me there. And that's how
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I felt on the metal ceremony as well. That's how
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I felt doing my interviews, as like I just want
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Pat and Jamie.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: And I think it's interesting what you said about, you know,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: waking up and that day could be can go so
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: many different ways, and it's really this bigger idea that
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: the journey is so important because if you put all
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: of your emphasis on that one day on the calendar,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: then you almost could miss out.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Really if you're not paying attention to all the other stuff.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I think, you know, race day
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: for me, it was interesting. I actually am normally nervous,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: and looking back, I'm like, oh man, I should have
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: been even more nervous, because I wasn't nervous. I remember
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Pat and I were so relaxed. We just felt like,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: you know what, we did everything we could these past
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: four years, and what's going to happen is going to happen.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: And it was just interesting because the I was so
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: much more nervous for the twenty sixteen Olympic trials, Like
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: my biggest fear was I won't even make the team
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: and I won't even have a s to get a medal,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and I remember being so so nervous, and then the
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: actual day of the Olympics, I was just relaxed. I
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: was like, well, it'll be what it'll be like, get
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: a flat, I don't know, I don't care, like I
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: have the tools in my toolbox to do this. And
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: so it's just like an interesting thing that that day
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: of the Olympics for me. And actually there's this photo
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: of me on the bike in the race and I
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: everyone's like, has this suffering face on and I have
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: this huge smile and I'm like, oh man, looking back
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: at the photo, I was like, I was so cocky.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: That is so bad, like something could have happened, like,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: but I was just like happy. I was like, you
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: know what, I feel strong, I can do this. I'm prepared,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: and it brought a smile to my face. And that
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: that's something that I think I'll never forget.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: It's this mentality that I try to I try a
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: solid attempt every day to wake up and just say
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: to myself, like, well.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: All it takes this all you've got, So that's all
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: you can do here.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And I think, like you said, it's it's
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: really hard, and I rarely have days like that, but
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: somehow I just had that on that Olympic day.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: When they hit like that, it's it's extra special. Okay.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: So then you mentioned your transition into running and how
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: it feels like you're in the pursuit of finding out
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: just how good you can be at it. You had
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: to make a pretty tough decision earlier in the year
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: when you decided not to go through with the marathon trial.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: So talk to me about that decision and how that
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: really weighed on you.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. I I'm somebody who sets big goals
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: and I'm very vocal about them. And I had said
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I wanted to win gold in the marathon in twenty twenty.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: And I like saying goals out loud because I think
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: it holds not only myself accountable, but my team. It
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: lets my team know, my coaches, the people that are
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: investing in me what I want to do, and it
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: helps them achieve my goals. And it also keeps me
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: just accountable. Like if I say it, I have to basically,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: you know, every day I'm motivated to do it because
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: it's out there in the universe. And when I made
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: my transition from trothlon to running, it was it's been
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: really hard. I had a son, which I knew I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: always wanted to do, was have a family, But coming
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: back from that giving birth was way more difficult than
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I thought. I thought I'd be able to run like
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: seven days later, but anyone who's had a kid just
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: knows that's like impossible. And then I had this Hagelund's
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: deformity and I had to have surgery for it. I
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: tried to run through it for a long time and
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I was able to hit all the workouts, due all
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: the mileage, but my quality of life and I think
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: my running, you know, I was operating on run level.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I would say at like eighty to ninety percent, and
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I just knew, like I need to be at one
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: hundred percent if I'm going to make the team and
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go after a medal. And so I
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: had surgery, and just coming back from surgery is when
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I think I was super smart. I was like, Okay,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I put time into the surgery. I'm not going to
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: look at the calendar. I'm not going to look at races.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to plan out. You know.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Normally it's like, okay, Olympic trials for the marathon, it's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: in February, so four months back, that's when I need
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: to be training. So I need to be fit a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: month before, like normally, that's how my mentality works. And
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: after surgery, I was like, Nope, not looking at a calendar,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: not looking at how many weeks I have. I'm just
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: going to listen to my body. Is that as a
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: pro athlete, you know your body really well, and I'm
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: going to, you know, let it recover in its own time.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: So I did that and then, you know, it was
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: like three months out from the Olympic Trials and I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: just realized, you know, I won't be able to be
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: running these one hundred and twenty mile weeks which I'll
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: need to make the team and the marathon, and I
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: don't want to go into the marathon trials hoping that
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I qualify. I want to go into an Olympic trials
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: knowing I have the ability to qualify. And so it
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: was kind of an easy decision in that regard. You know,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I'm really and I think because I have so much
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: confidence in my in myself and I don't worry about
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: what other people think of me, it was a pretty
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: easy decision to just go, you know what, I don't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: want to hope and wish. I want to know, and
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to forego doing the marathon Olympic trials.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, my coach Jerry in the Bronment track field,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: they actually think I'm better on the track anyway. And
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: so having that belief and having that support was something
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: that made it an easy decision. You know. Obviously it
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: was really difficult to then have to publicly say, oh,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: I put this big goal out there not going to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: do it, not even going to try to do it.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: But for me, it was an easy decision knowing that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: I am becoming a better athlete doing this route and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: that this is what's best for my health.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: And I think what you were saying, I'm the same
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: way about putting out big goals. It's like saying it
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: makes you accountable kind of puts you into this atmosphere.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: It's in the world, there's no taking it back. I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: would imagine for sure that having to say that, despite
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: your decision being easy to be made, was definitely a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: struggle for you.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, like it's weird, Like it almost
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: was freeing in the sense that I knew that I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to be prepared, so it was just like, Okay,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I can't do this. And you know, we talked about
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: earlier a little bit about how everyone has negative things
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: to say, and especially in social media world, and so
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you know, I just I'm really good at not letting
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: what other people say affect me. Well except for this
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: one area. When people start attacking my son. Oh, I'm like,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I need to learn how to somehow not let that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: affect me. But when people attack me, I'm totally cool
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: with it. I'm like, you know what, I know, I'm
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: doing my best. I know I'm doing what's best for me,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: And so it actually wasn't that difficult for me. I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: think it was, you know, more difficult for me to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: make the decision to have surgery, which was way more necessary, just.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: To recap what is a Hanglu's deform?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Me?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Yep. So it's a bone overgrowth or a bone spur
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: basically on your heel, and it grows and it becomes
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: super painful, so like it makes your makes it hard
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: to walk. It the bone rubs against your achilles, like
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: every time you take a step. So then it like
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: it's basically this sword just cutting into your achilles and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: having damage. And so that's it affects your achilles. And
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: then as well, it's super tender to the touch, like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: putting a sock on and putting a sock and taking
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: a sock off was painful. Like that's how sensitive it's
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: sensitive it can get to the touch.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: And how is it now post surgery?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Oh so good, just to be able to run without pain.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I had been running with pain
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: for so long that I then I forgot what it
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: was like, and it's just so much more enjoyable.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Which is so good, So speaking is enjoyable.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, talk to me about how it's been to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: be training with Barrelman.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: I feel so fortunate that I am able to train
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: with the Bowerman Track Club. You know, there I believe
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: the best in the world. You know, Jerry's uh, you know,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: he's an extremely talented coach. He's I like to think
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: of him as like a mad scientist, but he always
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: has things going on in his head of like how
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: to improve and you know, it's a very clean coach
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: as well, which is something that I was looking for.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: But I'm running with the best runners in the world,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and it's it's difficult at times, but it's what I
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: like is being confronted with this world standard on a
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: daily basis. You know. This last year with COVID, we
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: did some inner squad racing, so just our squad, and
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: we ended up doing some shorter races. So I'm you know,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: racing the Shelby Hulahan who's a world champion in the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: fifteen hundred, and I'm like, nowhere near a sprinter and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: we're like racing eight hundreds and I'm like, oh, my goodness,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: this is just like embarrassing and it's so bad because
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: she's like, I'm not a sprinter. She is, and it's
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: just those times can sometimes just be like almost comical.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: But for me, every day being in practice, knowing that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I'm pushing myself against the world's best, against the world's standard,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: that's something that I want and something I need in
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: order to become my best athlete. I think it's difficult
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people to put themselves in those situations,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: especially if you're not at that level, like trying to
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: build yourself up to that level. You can feel like
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: maybe you're getting worn down. But honestly, for me, it's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: what I enjoy. I love working up on workout days
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: and trying to just put the hammer down. And this
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: is the first year I would say I've been able
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: to you know, really, I've been able to hold on
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: in the past, but this is the first year I've
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: been able to push others as well, which has been
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: super exciting for me.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: What excites you right now?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Ugh, just I love running. I love my job so much.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: And me, what's exciting for me is knowing I can
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: still go prs. I haven't even come close to my prs.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: I believe in the running events and that's what really
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: keeps me motivated. And and then as well, my son
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: obviously makes me super excited. He's super cute, he's he's
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: got a lot of personality like me. He's very stubborn
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: and strong willed, and you know, he does things like
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: he'll you know, we got him a harmonica and he
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: opened it and he went in a different room to
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: practice before coming out to show us, because yes, he
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: wanted to like do it perfectly for us before, you know,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: and he wanted to like test out before. So it
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: was just like, oh, I love little things like that.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: And just being able to watch a human grow and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: mature and change.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Biggest lesson you have learned in this training cycle, I.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Think, to be patient. And then as well, this is
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: the first time I've had an injury, and so just
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: learning how to overcome that injury, I think a lot
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: of times it's just yeah, I've never had like a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: bigger injury before. So learning how to overcome that and
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: to listen to my body maybe earlier and give myself
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: the time and space it needs to heal, I think
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: was something that was super important.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Someone goes to your Instagram page, they see a mom,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: a wife, a twenty sixteen Olympic gold medalist. When you
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: look in the mirror, what is it that you see
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: looking back at you.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: I just I see a mom. You know, I've my
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: entire life, I've wanted to be a mom, and Patrick
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: and I want we want to have a big family
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: and can't have another kid now obviously, but in the future.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's what we want. And I think
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: just being a mom encompasses so much to me. It's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: you know, you're a role model for this little human
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: and they repeat and emulate like everything you do. And
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: so that's who I see and what I see, and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: I think what motivates me to be a better person
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: and to be a better athlete as well.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Right now, you have an opportunity to look back on
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: your career thus far as an athlete and give yourself
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: some advice. When we think back to some of your
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: biggest hurdle moments, maybe it's finally making a decision to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: get that surgery, or perhaps it's back when you were
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: training for that twenty sixteen Olympics and had those few
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: that string of tough events, when you have the opportunity
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: to offer yourself one piece of advice. Looking back on
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: those hurdle moments, right now, what do you tell yourself?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: It's such a hard question, right and there's not just
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: one answer. But I think, you know, focusing on the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: process is something that's super important. That's taught me a lot,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: and not just focusing on that outcome. And I think
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: that encompasses as well, putting yourself worth in yourself as
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: a human being and not as an athlete. It is
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: something that I think allows me to overcome hurdles knowing
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: that I'm more than just an athlete. So it allowed
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: me to have the belief in having surgery. You know,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: there's always this risk when you have surgery that you
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: may never come back as an athlete. But I knew
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: I needed it to be my best athlete. So it's
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: allowed me to take risks. It's allowed me as well,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: during those tough times, to realize I have a support crew,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: I have people in my life, and I'm more than
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: just an athlete. You know, a lot of times when
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I come home from Irun or in Trothlin, when I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: come home from workouts, I don't talk about the workouts
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: or about sport with my husband, and it's super easy
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  Speaker 1: now that I have Stanley, Like he doesn't care what
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  Speaker 1: I did in a workout, so like I come home
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  Speaker 1: and I play Superheroes where you have a game you
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  Speaker 1: play Hi Ho, Cherio or whatever it is. And I
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  Speaker 1: think having something outside of sport really allows me to
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  Speaker 1: overcome those hurdles.
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  Speaker 3: What a great takeaway.
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  Speaker 2: Last thing, I do want to ask you book that
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  Speaker 2: you can recommend to me because the Hurdle Squad just
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  Speaker 2: started a book club or reading mindset by Carol Dweck
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  Speaker 2: right now and we're in the home stretch.
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  Speaker 3: So what should our next book club pick be?
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a couple, so I really
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  Speaker 1: if you like like science stuff. I really liked the
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  Speaker 1: book Endure, okay, and then I really liked Andre Agacy's book.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was called Open.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like the way your voice went up,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you like turned around to look for
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  Speaker 2: a book.
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 3: I knew it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting next to mine as well, so I heard
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  Speaker 2: the I was like, she's totally looking for the book.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, these are picks.
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  Speaker 1: There one more though, because Bauermann Track Club our ladies
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  Speaker 1: just started a book club and this month it like
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  Speaker 1: just started two days ago, so I didn't even have
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  Speaker 1: the book yet, but we're reading The Mamba Mentality.
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  Speaker 3: Oh maybe that'll be the next Hurdle book club pick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, thanks for therek. Thanks so much for your time today, Gwen.
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  Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much for having me. It's been
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  Speaker 1: The hour went by very quickly, so hopefully people enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: listening as much as I like talking.
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  Speaker 3: Just as speedy as you.
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  Speaker 3: We all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to
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  Speaker 3: the details?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Emily, I actually have a great YouTube that
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  Speaker 1: That's just Gwen Jorgenson. And then as well Instagram, Facebook
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  Speaker 2: Perfect I am at Emily a body at Hurdle Podcast,
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  Speaker 2: Another hurdle conquered.
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  Speaker 3: Catch you guys next
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  Speaker 1: Time to to my al