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Nick UnderHill Joins The Show, Could The Jets Make A Massive Trade !? · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Raising Kine studio.
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  Speaker 5: It's off the Bench.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back again, Oh TB here live from
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  Speaker 3: the Raising Caines studio.
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  Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, it is nine am.
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  Speaker 3: So let's get to our guy, Nick Underhill, New Orleans
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  Speaker 3: stuff football joins us.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Nicholas, how we doing this week, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Going great man?
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  Speaker 1: How you guys doing doing fantastic?
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  Speaker 3: I had a chance to catch up with you quickly
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  Speaker 3: there in Indianapolis at the scouting combine, So didn't get
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  Speaker 3: a chance to recap it with you. Yes, so very
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  Speaker 3: excited for that conversation. Maybe some of your takeaways, some
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  Speaker 3: initial takeaways from Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, where do we want to say specific or prospect
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  Speaker 2: stuff must go?
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  Speaker 3: Just prospects like guys that were highly intriguing to you,
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  Speaker 3: that certainly caught your attention or just like confirmed what
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  Speaker 3: you already thought about him going in.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm incredibly disappointed that, like my he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't really a sleeper, but he's like a top ten sleeper,
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  Speaker 2: like Sonny Stoles was my sleeper guy, and like I
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  Speaker 2: would name drop him all the time. And it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if you could take
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  Speaker 2: a linebacker eight, you can take a linebacker at eight.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm disappointed that I watched my guy me too
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  Speaker 2: no longer like.
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  Speaker 5: To like, you know, the guy on the underground artist, Like.
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  Speaker 2: I just watched him blow up and get the commercial hit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, like I don't know if I liked this,
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  Speaker 2: but man, like he's it's an incredibly exciting player, like
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  Speaker 2: and I think, like in the right place, like he
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  Speaker 2: could be incredibly intriguing, Like I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff you can do with the safety background, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think I think he could be a real chess
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  Speaker 2: piece for a creative defensive coordinator. And I guess the
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  Speaker 2: whole league is creative now.
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  Speaker 5: So it's not like, who's the guy that went to
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  Speaker 5: Arizona years ago that he was kind of like positionless
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  Speaker 5: and they never figured out.
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  Speaker 1: How to use them like that, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like like that like they didn't really like.
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  Speaker 2: I think he was a little bit ahead of his
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  Speaker 2: time and they never figured it out, Like I feel
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  Speaker 2: like Sonny Styles could really be like a guy that
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  Speaker 2: does everything. I mean, Sadique I think put himself like
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  Speaker 2: really on that that upper tier radar, Like I think
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  Speaker 2: he was like mid back half of the first round.
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  Speaker 2: And now you're looking at it and you're like man
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  Speaker 2: pour three nine and all that size and ability like that,
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty that's pretty intriguing. It's It's one of them
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  Speaker 2: drafts where I feel like all the prospects that are
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  Speaker 2: the most exciting or like a positions that typically aren't
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  Speaker 2: traditionally valued very highly, Like you got the running back,
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  Speaker 2: you got the linebacker. You know, Caleb Downs at stafety
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  Speaker 2: safety's not traditionally valued. Tight end is usually like you
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  Speaker 2: don't see him creep into that top ten conversation. And
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  Speaker 2: I feel like all the guys this year that that
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  Speaker 2: really feel like special or at those positions, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I think David Bailey he kind of did out there
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  Speaker 2: changes maybe that conversation a little bit too, Like obviously
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  Speaker 2: he was like either be one or two, but I
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  Speaker 2: think just kind of seeing some of those testing numbers
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  Speaker 2: that that maybe maybe that makes somebody fall in love
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  Speaker 2: with them a little bit. And then you know, obviously
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  Speaker 2: the Ruben Bay stuff like he measured him where he
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  Speaker 2: measured in. But interestingly enough, like everybody I talked to
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  Speaker 2: about him like that, nobody cares.
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  Speaker 5: Like if you like him, you like him.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't, you don't. It's like you know that
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  Speaker 2: there is a measurement out there, kind of sent August
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  Speaker 2: quoting around and I think what came in confirmed it.
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  Speaker 2: So he's just kind of kind.
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  Speaker 5: Of is what he is.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I talked to a few teams that have
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  Speaker 2: in is the number one guy like on their their
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  Speaker 2: top prospect in the draft. So I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: affected in anything at all. I was wondering what it
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  Speaker 2: would what it would do, and I wonder, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of going into it like is this
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  Speaker 2: gonna be something that defines the draft because it's a
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  Speaker 2: guy that can tilt the top pay No, he was in,
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  Speaker 2: and I think he's staying in, And you know, I
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  Speaker 2: was wondering if he saw that. I don't think he
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  Speaker 2: can stay like. I think he's just kind of I
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  Speaker 2: think he's gone. Like I think people love him and
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  Speaker 2: they think he's special, and I think the conversations about
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  Speaker 2: moving m off the edge or not not warranted, at
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  Speaker 2: least in certain places. So yeah, I mean those are
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  Speaker 2: kind of the big takeaways for me.
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  Speaker 4: Nick. Let's talk more about Saints prospects. You people that
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  Speaker 4: you've been eyeballing for, potential draft picks, trade, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 4: Is there anything you learned at the combine about these
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  Speaker 4: specific anybody specific that you didn't already know beforehand. I know,
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  Speaker 4: you get your ear to the ground pretty good, but
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  Speaker 4: from a measurable standpoint for what they did on the field,
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  Speaker 4: how they interviewed, is there anything that you learned from
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  Speaker 4: a potential target for the Saints that you didn't know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think kind of what what happens now is that
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  Speaker 5: it goes back and another.
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  Speaker 2: Coaches, Like they do all the scouting meetings before the combine,
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  Speaker 2: and then they have the combine, and then the coaches
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  Speaker 2: get involved and then the board starts to start. So
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  Speaker 2: everything we always say, it's like, always get the caveat
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  Speaker 2: that things can change. Like, I don't think I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: feel like, yes, I know, this is exactly what they're
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  Speaker 2: doing until probably probably the end of the month, early April,
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  Speaker 2: Like I think that's usually where those things start coming
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  Speaker 2: back a little bit more firm. But you know, I
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  Speaker 2: would say right now, like as I sit here and
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  Speaker 2: I and I projected, like, I don't think it's wide
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  Speaker 2: receiver at eight, and I don't think it's running back
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  Speaker 2: at eight. I don't think those two things are going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. My guess is when this free agency start Monday,
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  Speaker 2: the Campering cauriage starts, I think, Eliven, I'm guessing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe by Tuesday morning and of the end of the
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  Speaker 2: next week, like there's probably going to be a running
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  Speaker 2: back in the fold. I think that's probably how it's
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  Speaker 2: going to play out. I think they want to address
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  Speaker 2: that in free agency. I think they they probably feel
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  Speaker 2: like forty two is a better spot for wide receiver
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  Speaker 2: than eight. I think eight's gonna I think if in
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  Speaker 2: a perfect world is just sitting at eight, I think
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  Speaker 2: you have your choice between Baine and Downs, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that's probably probably where they would want it to fall.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know where Jeremiah Love falls in
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  Speaker 2: this mix. Like I, like I said, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: I think it's running back in free agency, and if
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  Speaker 2: that happens, like I think that kind of takes them
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  Speaker 2: out of the out of the running there I could
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  Speaker 2: be super wrong and this could shift on us, and
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  Speaker 2: I might come back in a month and a feel
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  Speaker 2: like I never said this, but like that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: my feel for the landscape right now, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: it's a live process, like you got in information. Someone
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  Speaker 2: could come in and have a terrible meeting and you know,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're taking off, you know, Caleb Downs,
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  Speaker 2: I think I was like a little ACL thing that
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  Speaker 2: that's you know, degenerative or something like people are worried
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  Speaker 2: about his ACL thing. If that check the recheck comes
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  Speaker 2: back super negative, that could shift the thinking. And now
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're looking at a wide receiver
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  Speaker 2: or something and play there at eight. But if I
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  Speaker 2: had the guest today, like, I think that's where the
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  Speaker 2: chips kind of fall, you know. And I thought I
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  Speaker 2: thought the wind was blowing forwards love earlier. Like you know,
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  Speaker 2: these things kind of change it and they get more
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  Speaker 2: to found as it goes on. But I think coming
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  Speaker 2: out of here, that's how it looks, man, And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's it's faking any any guy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think.
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  Speaker 2: It's Donner Bines down put that back Downs or Bane
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  Speaker 2: right now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you with the receiver take.
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  Speaker 3: And look, as much as I want Tyler Schuck to
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  Speaker 3: get a new weapon, you look at Jordan Tyson injury history,
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  Speaker 3: You look at Carnel Tait, never been a one in college,
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  Speaker 3: and you're gonna take him at eight. That's tough for
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  Speaker 3: me to get behind. Denzel Balston's not a top ten pick.
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  Speaker 3: McKay Lemon's not the receiver type that you're looking for,
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  Speaker 3: and uh not great stuff coming out about his interviews
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  Speaker 3: at the Combine. I love Omar Cooper Junior, but he's
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  Speaker 3: more at forty two, he would not be at eight
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Malchi Fields runs a four to six.
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  Speaker 3: So to your point, like, I don't know that there's
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  Speaker 3: a receiver at eight that I would even think about
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  Speaker 3: taking right now. And so if that conversation's off the table,
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned Kenyon Sadik there out of Oregon the tight end.
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  Speaker 3: Is he an option at eight because he can do
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  Speaker 3: so many different things for you? He blew the combine
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  Speaker 3: out of the water. You're losing a couple of titands.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe in the free agent process you got a couple
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  Speaker 3: that are up right now.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you put him on the Saints radar.
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  Speaker 5: I hope he's on it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: can change an offense like dramatically with how you operate
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  Speaker 2: is tight end. And I've always been a little bit
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  Speaker 2: confused why it's an undervalue position. I guess maybe because
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  Speaker 2: there aren't a lot of them that can actually change
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  Speaker 2: your team.
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  Speaker 5: But when you get a good.
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  Speaker 2: One that's actually like one of them guys, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like it changes your whole offense, ave I identity, and
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  Speaker 2: it becomes the biggest cheat code in football. And I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you guys play it on the side of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell me if I'm way over statanists, but
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  Speaker 2: just every time you see one of these guys come
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  Speaker 2: in that that's actually great, I just think it changes
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  Speaker 2: your team. I've sat down on Kelsey Gronk. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Bowers is trying to do it a little bit. Todd Warren,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I thought change their offense a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe not all the way, but if you feel like
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  Speaker 5: the deep can be one of those.
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  Speaker 2: Those shifters, like I don't have a problem with taking
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  Speaker 2: them in a ten, especially in this draft. You know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously you got to have the well, I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 2: you don't even have to have the putt. But like
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  Speaker 2: Kelsey couldn't block for you know, anything really early in
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  Speaker 2: his career. And it kind of shit to thinks Jimmy
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  Speaker 2: Graham changes your offense. I mean, if you think he
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  Speaker 2: can be one of those guys, I just think it
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  Speaker 2: changes your offensive identity.
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  Speaker 5: More than anything. And you know, I remember having.
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  Speaker 2: The conversation with Sean Payton sixteen seventeen somewhere around there,
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  Speaker 2: just going through, like you know, the different forms of
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  Speaker 2: his offense and how it evolved and how it changed.
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  Speaker 2: And he just he told me like, look, I start
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  Speaker 2: with my tight end and I built my identity back
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  Speaker 2: from that based on what they can do that figures
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  Speaker 2: out how all the other pieces kind of come together.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, that just kind of was always something
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  Speaker 2: that that stuck with me. And I might I might
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  Speaker 2: have a bias here because you know, I covered the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots when they drafted Grock and Hernandez, and I just
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  Speaker 2: watched how that transformed everything. And look, the league's going back.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there there's a Dantagers, all the Kobe stuff,
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  Speaker 2: like all those teams run run twelve, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: you kind of get the defense and the set you want,
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  Speaker 2: and then you can open them up and create mismatches
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  Speaker 2: and exploits and all this stuff. Like if you went
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  Speaker 2: out you got yourself a tight end, you sign a
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  Speaker 2: running back and you get a good guard. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like that just changes your offense like overnight, and there's
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  Speaker 2: just so much stuff you can do. I would hope
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  Speaker 2: he's in the next set.
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  Speaker 4: And the problem is is though, like Sean Payton said that,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't think he's ever drafted a tight end
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  Speaker 4: for I'd have to check in the first round, like
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  Speaker 4: it's and we're talking about a single digit draft pick.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't know if you can do it. I
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  Speaker 4: agree with everything you said. Tight ends incredibly important.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's the problem, Like, like I think they're just
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  Speaker 2: done a lot better often worth it, Like there aren't
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  Speaker 2: a lot of there aren't a lot of guys that can,
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  Speaker 2: you know, change your team. But I was a little
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  Speaker 2: surprised that like Warren wasn't wasn't and hired a man
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  Speaker 2: last year. But I guess it was a stock draft
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  Speaker 2: that like positions of value, I think where it changes
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  Speaker 2: a little bit this year is that your top defensive
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  Speaker 2: end has thirty inch arms and people love him yes,
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  Speaker 2: but in a traditional draft where you might have a
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  Speaker 2: few prop stucks, I don't know if he's going there.
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  Speaker 2: You usually have at least quarterbacks that are worthwhile going
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  Speaker 2: in the top. The tackles aren't very great this year
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  Speaker 2: that there is anyone that you're like, man, theust tackle
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  Speaker 2: should be in consideration at the number one pick. So like,
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  Speaker 2: I think that the big three that usually the final draft,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's a little bit tough, Like there aren't a
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  Speaker 2: lot of franchise changing talents in this in this draft,
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  Speaker 2: so that's kind of where you know, normally i'd like, man,
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  Speaker 2: no way I take a running back at eight, No way,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'd probably prefer something else today it's tight ends.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about the safety at eight, Like they're
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  Speaker 2: kind of low impact players, and this year is just
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  Speaker 2: kind of like, well, like you draft somebody just because
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  Speaker 2: they play a position that costs a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: in free agency, Like if they get there and it
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  Speaker 2: staves you money, Like what's the actual advantage there, right
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  Speaker 2: if they aren't actually one of those guys that changes
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  Speaker 2: your team and also the same sort of place where
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  Speaker 2: they have cast space going forward.
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  Speaker 5: So I think it's just about getting the.
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  Speaker 2: Best players right now, and then you know, three years
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  Speaker 2: down the road it Shuck's actually worth fifty million dollars
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  Speaker 2: a year or whatever it's going to be. At that time,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's when you start going back to man,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what, Like you kind of got to
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  Speaker 2: get the tackle here because you can't afford to go
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  Speaker 2: out and sign one. No, you can draft a safety
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  Speaker 2: at eight and go out sign your tackle or sign
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  Speaker 2: your pass preshure because you don't really have any contrasts
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  Speaker 2: on the books after this year. So you know, I
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  Speaker 2: just think there's a lot of stuff you got to
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  Speaker 2: consider in your team building.
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  Speaker 5: But I agree with you. Traditionally a lot of these
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  Speaker 5: conditions were going.
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  Speaker 2: To be talking about this year, Like I would stop
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  Speaker 2: myself in the face for being no, take a running
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  Speaker 2: back over the tackle, like No, I would never say that.
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  Speaker 2: But this year I think is a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: an exception.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned Sunny Styles a little bit earlier, Nick, and
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  Speaker 3: I mean talked about him for thirty minutes yesterday. I
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  Speaker 3: had a chance to catch up with him at the combine.
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  Speaker 3: Incredibly impressive on the field. Off the field started over
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  Speaker 3: forty something games at Ohio State played in fifties, twenty
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  Speaker 3: one years old, still with that kind of production. His
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  Speaker 3: dad played in the league. His brother ran a four
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  Speaker 3: to two eight the next day. There's so much to
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  Speaker 3: love and played at Ohio State. Played it on three
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  Speaker 3: different levels at Ohio State. Like that's a player that
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you'll be there at eight anymore.
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  Speaker 3: But to the you can't take an off the ball
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  Speaker 3: linebacker at eight, even if that was true, which I
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  Speaker 3: think if it's a game changer, like you do it,
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  Speaker 3: like if Luke Keigley was there at eight, you think
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  Speaker 3: teams would take that guy now, Like yeah, Patrick Willis, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: So when you have a situation that where a guy
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  Speaker 3: can do so many different things. He wore the green
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  Speaker 3: dot for Matt Patricia last year, which he's been pretty
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  Speaker 3: decent at, you know, coordinating defenses in the National Football League. Like,
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  Speaker 3: that's a different cat than we're talking about Jacob Rodriguez,
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  Speaker 3: who I love. I love Jaco Rodriguez in this draft,
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  Speaker 3: But that's an off the ball linebacker that you know
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  Speaker 3: what he is, Sunny styles is something way different than
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  Speaker 3: any other off the ball linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I agree, totally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, Look the other thing too, I should have said.
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  Speaker 2: It the top, Like I think people are looking at uh,
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  Speaker 2: I got these rail reas now no longer are Belleries,
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  Speaker 2: but ral they're looking at him as an inside linebacker two.
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  Speaker 2: And now I think that conversation is interesting because like,
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  Speaker 2: is Reefs actually better than a Sunny Styles?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like that he's played eighteen games, how
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  Speaker 1: do we know?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like you're doing a lot of projecting there. And he
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  Speaker 2: started out the season really hot off the edge, and
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  Speaker 2: then it kind of waned a little bit as the
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  Speaker 2: year went on. I think he's more of an idea
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  Speaker 2: than than like an actual thing, and Sonny Styles has
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more production and then he also, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, you start seeing these numbers and like the
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  Speaker 2: idea of what he can do I think grows too,
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: so like you have production plus the upside. Man again,
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: weird draft, Like what I take a linebacker at eight?
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: No? I'm like no, But like this year, man, he's
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: just kind of maybe the.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: Most intriguing guy there is to me. Like it soups
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: up version of like Matt Malano a little bit in Buffalo,
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: but it's like not hurt and healthy, like former safety
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: moved the linebacker can really play in space, you know,
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: and I think you could probably get him in in
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: you know, some explosive stuff.
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: You know, on third down if you wanted him to blitz.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: I just think there's so much stuff he can do.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: I think he can contribute like a little bit at
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: all three levels. And now that you've been moving around
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: and really really DHS piece with with some of the
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: stuff he can do. Have you ever, by the way,
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: totally off of have you ever seen Matt Patricia out
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: in the wild, like just in a normal setting?
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, pencil and pencil in the ear like, yeah, yeah.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: I interviewed him at the Super Bowl in New Orleans.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: I think he had no job at the time. He
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: wasn't on anybody staff. It's right before he got hired
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: at Ohio State Pennsylvan ear.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the crazy is the play sheets laminated?
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: So what's he right now?
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: If you would have like a flair tip pin that
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: would write on the lemonade sheet.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: True.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: You know, uh, I got a question for you, and
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: hopefully you can squash some of these slanderous rumors that
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: are floating around the interwebs right now because they can't
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: be true. The rumor is that nobody has called the
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: Saints about trading for Derek Carr. But this can't be true.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: What I think that's true. I think that's true. I mean,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: dare it was it was. I checked it on it
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: up Monday, Monday, Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday, and it was
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: it was true as of Tuesday as a Tuesday last week,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: it was true. You haven't it called yet? Interesting? Yeah?
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I mean look that. Yeah. The trade value there too,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I think is really going to be I mean, it's
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: it's a fascinating situation because like, let's say, look, I.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: Think Derek Carr is probably somebody you.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Call on maybe after that first wave a free agency
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: goes and it's like, well, do I actually want to
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: give up a draft picked.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: And money or do I just want to give up
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: money for somebody?
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Because I think if you're looking at at Derek Carr, you're.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: Probably looking at you know, there's other guys that are
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: going to be.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Out there that are comparable and value and stature and
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. So I kind of think maybe when
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: the music stops, he's the guy that that's there. And
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: then it's it's interesting because like he's kind of in
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: total control of this situation. He has a no trade
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: clause and even effectively just coming back from from retirement,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: like he can kind of, you know, dictate, hey, look
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not going there or not. Here's the thing though,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: like and again, like this will get really really mess
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: and I don't think it would ever get here. Like
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Derek can just say I'm coming back and they have
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: to you have to reinstate his contract, so he could
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: he could theoretically say I want to go to Minnesota.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I don't want them to pay too much, and if
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: you stand in my way, I'm just gonna reactate. My
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: contract is going to blow up your count. I don't
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: think that would ever happen, But like, there is that
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: that red button scenario, so it makes it it makes
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: it hard to gauge. I think, seeing how everything played
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: out last year, the willingness to surrender the money and
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: all that, Like, I don't think anything like that would
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: ever happen. I think that they would be in lockstep
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: on trying to figure something out. I don't think he'd
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: get ugly, but I mean, there isn't a lot of
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: control here on the Saints side of things, so negotiating
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: this is going to be fascinating. Like, I think it
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: probably ends up the thing where maybe you get like
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a Day three pick, and if they make the playoffs,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: like it improves to like a thurd or report round
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: pick or something like that. I don't think it's going
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to be like a massive win for the Saints. I
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: don't think they get a lot. I don't think they're
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: in a position where they can really grind it out.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: And if there's no market for the guy, like what's
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: his actual value too? So that's another thing. So I
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be anything that's like, man,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: they traded Derek Carr and they got a third rounder, Like,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen. Maybe you're from nowt
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Imprus or something like that, but yeah, I don't I
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: don't see it going like that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Completely hypothetical question here just for fun, We're not going
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: to like quote you on this. You don't have to
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: put your whole name behind this, your whole business behind this.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: But the Jets, we were talking about how like these
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: fun trades that the Jets could make because I think
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: they have six first rounders at their disposal right now.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: On draft. I think it is a seven because they
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: get another one for the four years ahead. How many
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: first round draft picks would you have to give for you,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Nick Underhill to trade Tyler Shuck?
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, like.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Everybody's got a price.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Where are the Jets hat? You know, like, where are
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: they picking up at the top?
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Probably at the top of that, I guess.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: So we're talking Arch man, I.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Mean, where do the Jets pick every single year?
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: So I don't know, man like that.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: That's fascinating.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have for Tyler Shock if they
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: offered it to you next week.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean like we're kind of talking like a
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: one for one, like like you know, you get Arch
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Banning or something.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Like that, and then maybe maybe like a sweet nurse
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: like a one in and two or something like that.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I would have seriously consider it. If I'm actually a
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: GM and I've seen this guy play football and I
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: feel like he has a chance. I don't think I
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: risked my job on it, But like I thought, were
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: if I were playing Madden and you get me a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: dance and I get like I get a couple, I
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: get a couple of first round picks, you know, and
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I can get Arch or Dante or someone like that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I might consider it. It'd be tough, like it in actual.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Real life, it would be very It would be very hard.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: To trade a quarterback that you've seen something from because
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: so many of them don't see something from them, and
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: number one picks in the draft to these guys who
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: always talk about, you know, there's like a sixty percent
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: success rate or worse. So like you would probably be
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: in saying the trade a guy that can actually win
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: you some games, can burn on three down and all
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: this stuff.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: But it's an interesting conversation to have that. I think
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: somebody is going to It would be fun if somebody
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: had to make that decision somewhere in the NFL. Because
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: the Jets have so many assets, they could put a
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: package together that could buy almost anybody.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they really could, you know, I don't know. Do
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you guys see Aaron sleeping hopefully hopefully the quarterback stuff? Yeah?
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Sleep in the combines? Not well, it's very own brand.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: So anyways, Uh, Nick, you're the man. We appreciate it,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Nick Underhill, new orlds Stuffootball joins us every single Tuesday,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Hero on ot B.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, sir. We'll catch up next week.
• 20:40
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• 20:42
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were playing out this hypothetical situation during the break,
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  Speaker 4: just like we just asked Nick. I asked him the
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: hypothetical fun question, like how many first rounders would it
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: take for you to trade Tyler Schuck like your what
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: you believe is your future at quarterback, because there is
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: a price for everything, and we were just kind of
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: looking at comps we threw around. We were talking about,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: like I asked the chat, would you trade Tylers shake
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: for five first round picks? I think everyone was like, yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: I think so.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's anybody.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Boss Taylor said he would trade anybody for four first
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: round picks. I asked some Tom Brady, No, he'd be
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: the only He'd be the only one. I gave him
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Tom Brady at thirty five years old too, he still
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: has nine years left.
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: Tom played until he was what forty five? So that's
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: the one that you wouldn't trade for four, the only person.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: But I didn't. You were talking about the Stafford and
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Golf trade. I thought it was more kind of like
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: equal at that because they were this is pretty is
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: a pretty juicy one. In twenty January twenty twenty one,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: the Rams traded Jared Goff plus a third round pick
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: plus first round picks in twenty two and twenty three
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: to the Detroit Lions for quarterback Matthew Stafford. Yep, that's
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: two first rounders, a third and your quarterback.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and golf was.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: He's certainly played better since he's gotten to Detroit. He
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: wasn't as consistent in LA, but still that's it got
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to a super Bowl.
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: The players yet, I know they've been drafted, but who
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: pays I got it.
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: It's Jamiir Gibbs, Jamison Williams, and I can't remember the
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: third round pick, but the first.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: The first Gibbs, the two for most of their team.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: They got their quarterback that they wanted when Jared got.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: Two weapons, Like I don't know who the third was,
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: but it was the two first were Gibbs and Jamison Williams.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Gibbs was part of the Stafford.
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: I mean it worked out like that was one trade
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: that you can look back and be like, that was
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: great for both of them because you was the first
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: twenty three and twenty four.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Twenty two and twenty three.
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Gibbs just completed what it's third year, so Yeah,
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: he would have been a rookie in twenty three, so
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: that was his draft.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: So and that was a quarterback in the with Stafford
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: and the kind of getting close to the twilight of
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: his career. I know quarterbacks can play for a long
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: time now, but yeah, that's pretty wild, that's pretty steep.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: So we're talking about this hypothetical with Tyler Shuck, a
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: guy that's played what eight games now, who but you
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: believe is your guy. But it's just a fun little hypothetical.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Just think in your brain, if you're listening to us
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: out there, if you're watching us on YouTube, whatever it is,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: just think what would you give up? What would it
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: take for you to have to give up Tyler Shuck.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Not that it's e forgoten, don't do it, just but
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: if the Jets get crazy, they get a little squirrely
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: out there. We just talked about earlier in the show
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: about how terrible the free agent market is, how there
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: is not really a somebody that is deserving of like
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: a number two draft pick at quarterback.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: What quarterback in the National Football League, though, do you
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: actually think is available that would be worthy of you
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: giving up two first round picks that would actually be
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: available right now.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Well, I mentioned it earlier. I think that you could
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: go out and make an offer to get Joe Burrow.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I think you make an offer to get Lamar Jackson.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Those two Dak Prescott.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I think Jerry. I think Jerry would do it. Yeah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: I think Jerry would do it. He traded Mike, took
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: him forever and even paid Dak. I thought he paid
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: him a year late, which is why he's having to
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: pay him so much money.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: He's coming off a career year.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Everybody's looking for him, but there's not a lot out
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: there because you're either no way in hell, I'm giving
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: up my guy, Patrick Mahomes. Nobody's given like no, Justin Herbert, no, right,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: you go down this Drake May No, Josh Allen no.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: So like the other one.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Hjalen Hurts. They played really well with mac John. I'm
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: not saying Mak Jones is their answer, just saying Shannan
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: has that type offense that you can plug in a dude.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: But the Super Bowl with Garoppolo, mm hmm.
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: I think there was trade party at the price is right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: That makes sense just because like you said, Shanahan can
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: make anybody.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: That's why it makes this situation with the Jets so
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: intriguing because they're a dumb organization, they're crazy, and they
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: have more assets than that anybody. We've never seen anybody
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: offer like and they can do it and still have
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: first rounders in their back pocket. Yeah, why do you trade?
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Why do you make that trade with Sauscott or mid
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: season to get assets? What do you use those assets for?
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: You can build a roster and hope that you hit
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: or you can.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Go because even like it got like Trevor Lawrence Wait
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: had a hell of a year. Yeah, so like now,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: like a year ago, you probably could have now probably not.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: So like you have all these assets, you have all
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: these things that you're disposable, Like what is realistic out there?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: And that's probably the two you gave, or probably only two.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't know that anybody else worth what
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: we're talking about would be available.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Let's just think about this from like an elementary standpoint.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: You take five first round picks, you draft them. You
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: you're doing pretty good if three of them hit, so
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: you got two wasted. So you take those two that
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: are wasted that you're thinking in your head like statistically,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna miss on two. Take those two, then
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: you add that a third one, which is somebody you
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: would take that would hit. Yeah, now you got three
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: draft picks, three first rounders. The trade you're gonna who's
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: giving up. Everybody's gonna be giving up somebody.
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: And honestly, like it depends on how hard one of
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: those picks hit you. Unit the rest of really don't
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: even matter. Like if you if you netted like a
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: Michael Parsons out of one of those trades, like one
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: of those picks is like well, I mean we end
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: up getting a generational pass rusher. So it's like, depending
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: how hard one of those picks become. It's like, well,
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: even though these next two guys are jags, like this
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: guy was an all time great, just a guy.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I call this naph as non athletic dudes.
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: Non athletic dudes. I mean, what is there an ADS
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: in an NFL.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe the standard of what we're talking about, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: to the NFL standard. Yeah, I love it, I guess
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I mean like pretty good I do. I yeah, I
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: will say I agree with you there, Like even even
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: when my sons are like that guy's terrible, I'm like, hey, bud.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: He's the one percent of the one percent. Yeah, you
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: should probably hold off on Sandy's terrible.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: That guy's got his uh jersey hanging in high school
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: for sure, unless unless you're me, it's me, it's me.
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  Speaker 7: He's sitting on the couch on Sunday. The guy drops
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  Speaker 7: some past I'm like, you gotta cut him. You gotta
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  Speaker 7: move on from this guy. Can't do Anything's terrible. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: how do you even make it real?
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: He's like, yeah, this guy ran for three thousand yards
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  Speaker 8: and one season in high school. Is like, yeah, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 4: Wish just family a lifetime of failures. Man.
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  Speaker 3: I only say that to people who are card breakers
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  Speaker 3: who don't give me a hit. I don't say at
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the football players. I might have wished some bad things
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  Speaker 3: on a couple of card breakers or too.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's not their fault.
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  Speaker 1: It is trying.
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  Speaker 3: It's their fault, always their fault. All Right, we gotta
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  Speaker 3: play catch up. Great stuff though by Nick Underhill. I
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: did get a chance to see him and Mike Triplet
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: in Indianapolis, and Saints are in a I think a
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: good spot.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: They're in a good spot. Just what they need is
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: going to be available at some position.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know where they're leaning right now, but they
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: can quickly audible to another person that can help them
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: win football games. And I think they're in the sweet
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: spot of having the number eight overall pick and somebody's
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: going to fall to them that they probably didn't expect,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: and they're probably gonna select that player, and I don't
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: think it's gonna be an offensive player.
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: It's scary though. It's scary because this we're actually in
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: the situation where we're having expectations for the Saints to
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: not threw it up. Like last year, there really was
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: no expectations like Okay, you know, we'll see what we
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: got in Ridler, we'll see what we got in Shucked.
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: But it wasn't like like now that you even were saying,
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: it's about the teen of my five games, like like
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: they over It feels weird though, like the grand scheme,
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: the only want five games, but it feels like they
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: want a little bit more.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they want down stretch.
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's just like now it's the lights are
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: on you, Mickey, all the eyes are back on you.
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: So it's like you have to know this pick. And
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  Speaker 8: that's that's where we're at.
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  Speaker 2: With it.
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  Speaker 3: All right, We'll take a break more ot B when
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  Speaker 8: Off the bench, it's fox man.
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: I'm just saying I was talking to the girls, you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 9: and we don't put enough emphasis on the ladies sometimes.
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: You know, I was talking to this girl.
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: She was talking about the music all fast in the club.
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: You know, she got drink water because she's thirsty. She
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: didn't dance like ninety two hundred songs back to back.
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: But ain't nobody, you know, really try to find out
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: what she feeling like, how she feels you know, you know, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know what she told me blocked in on LSU Football
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  Speaker 6: She wants some more some U banjos a little but
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  Speaker 6: definitely said this plenty around, some new.
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  Speaker 1: All right, as I said, welcome back in OTB.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting here and I'm looking at some of the
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: different combined times and some of the different things that
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: we saw. And I'm just sitting here looking at the
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: multiple LSU receivers that and incredibly well they're in India.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: It's like, man, that's gonna be one of those teams
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: that we talk about that just underachieved. Certainly on the
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: offensive side of the football. The defense held their own.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: The defense was on the field all the time, all
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: day every day. It felt like, I mean, when you
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: have that kind of talent and receiver and you can't
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: figure out how to get them the football, when you
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: can't have route concepts that are real route concepts, when
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: you don't have screens that are real screens, I get.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: It's so frustrating when you have an offense that doesn't
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: run gap schemes at all. You just say, we can't
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: do it, We're not going to do it, and you
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: are hard headed about it. I don't know what this
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: team ceiling really was, but with the personnel that they have,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: and I look up and I see a tight end
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: at the combine. I see five receivers at the combine.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I see a quarterback at the combine. It's like, I know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: there wasn't any offensive line, and it was a young
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: group and those guys you know, either at LSU still
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: have gone elsewhere. But even going back to the group
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: that they had where all five of them got drafted,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I think we're gonna look back at these years of
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Lustrue football and say you had to get more out
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: of that group, and you let a lot of talent
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: go out the window and set you back.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we've given, of course, the we given the
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: coaching staff a hard time this year. Certainly they got
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: they got fired, so rightfully we gave them a hard
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: time because we called out the weaknesses and scheme. Now
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: now more information obviously always comes out, and you got
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: to think that it probably was a challenging situation for
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: them when your quarterback injures himself in the second day
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: of training camp and affects the way he plays, but
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: not affected it to the way like, Okay, he's injured,
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: clear doesn't need to play. Put the backup input van
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Buren in. Because you can't tell me that Garrett still
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: didn't give you the best opportunity to win against Clemton.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: He didn't give you the best opportunity to win throughout
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: the season. Now at some point it just got worse
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: and worse and worse. And the bad habits formed. But
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: like you got to look back at some of the
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: coaching and you know, we hit him hard, but how
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: much was it, you know, having to adjust the scheme
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: based on like what we didn't know at the time,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: which was Garry mus was hurt and he was playing
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: through it and he couldn't throw the ball. Like, it's
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: probably pretty tough to formulate that game plan. And how
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: about this, if you want to have the butterfly effect
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: and go back and look at it. Garrett hurt getting
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: hurt in the second game of the season. It's probably
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: the only reason lang kiv is a head coach. It's true,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Brian Kelly is still probably your head coach if Garrett
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Nutsmeyer does not get hurt in training camp. So it's
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: a butterfly effect. You can do that with every team.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: You can do that with every draft pick. You can
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: do that with everything in sports and in life. I
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: get it he's looking back, but just think about that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: If it doesn't happen, we probably have a much more
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: successful season. And Brian Kelly, who's got this massive buyout,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: there's not the public push, public and governmental push to
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: get your head coach fired. And that the appetite is
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: probably not there to pay that buyout and then of
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: course ay more to bring a new head coach. So
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: what a wild world and wild like way to think
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: about it. But you do have to say you can't,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: just like you can't can't. We can't stand on the
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: on the soapbox to say they were terrible, terrible, terrible table.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: It's probably pretty hard for me that game plan when
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: your quarterback can't really throw like you can for since
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: day two of training camp.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you, but I'll just.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: But I am also on you that if that is
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: the case, you've got to come up with something. You
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: get paid millions of dollars to come up with something
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: that you can do that you can get done that
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: tries to mask what your injury was and not try
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: so you fit the square peg in the round.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: They got fired. They should have been fired. Yeah, it's bad.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: It's just it's frustrating covering an event like that. And
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I look up and I'm like, I hear all these
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: NFL people Matt talk about, oh my god, Monsort delaying
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: and watch that guy's taping like I have called all
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: his games. He J Hawsey, you gotta go watch that
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: guy I did called his games, saw him, and then
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: they start talking about man save on Toms watch.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I'll not use that guy more. It's like, that's a
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: great question. We asked that question a lot.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: It's like all these all these guys, all these scouts
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: that I've known for decades, are coming up to me
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: asking me these questions, talking about these players, and I'm like, no,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: you're right, I know yep, I've seen them.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I've seen what they're capable of.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: And well you can you can say that talent, that
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: type of talent the year before and gart and that's
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: aby how good he actually is and the talent he
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: has masked a lot of that, a lot of that
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: crappy game planning. Yeah, so you just couldn't mask it
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: this year. And so let's.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Bad coaching can make a really good player.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Terrible, very bad, or disappear, or he can make him
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: very average or you know, there's different.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Levels to it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Like in football, you can just make him disappear because
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: you don't understand conceptual football. You don't understand how to
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: create a matchup advantages and get the guy the football
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: and open space. You get the guy the football. Well,
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: he I gave him twelve touches and you didn't do anything. Well, yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: because it sucks everywhere else.
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Uls, you literally just had a guy like that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: I mean, Jake talks about him all the time, but
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: Omar Spate's like.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: This dude was just about to bring him up.
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: But are you the one that made me realize about
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: Omar Space? Like, this guy's starting on a round and LSU, Yeah,
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: like one of the best teams in the NFL. That's
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: their their lead scout. Yeah, he is a Green, their
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: lead scout.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Came up to our table found I was an LSU go, oh, man,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: we love Omar Spates. I said, yeah, I did too,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: and I try to tell people about how good he
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: was at Oregon State. Then all of a sudden, his
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: nickname was slow Mare Spates in bad ruge. That wasn't
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: because he forgot how to play football. He was a
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Pack ten defensive Player of the Year. He got into
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Matt House the system, and he played slow because it
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: didn't make sense. The math wasn't adding up on some
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: of the stuff that they had to try to do.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Right to your point, you said his name, I was like, hey,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: the start the middle linebacker for the l a Rams
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: that came to l s U for a year and
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: number one in and out kind of the line up
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: a little bit because they said he couldn't play.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: No, the defense was set up for failure.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: And so like that's some of the things that you know,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: you kind of lose sight of when you're in the moment, Like, man,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this guy can play.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, he wasn't put in a position to succeed.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: He didn't understand the assignment because it wasn't taught to him.
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: Nobody succeeded on that defense, No, nobody.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: They're still there's still guys in the Jay Ward's still
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. There's guys a week with you in
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: the league defense. So make no mistake about it. The
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: scheme matters as much as anything when it comes to college.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: I just remember, like anybody at any level of authority,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: not everybody knows what they're doing. Like at the top,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: there's bad coaches in the NFL. There's really bad coaches
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: in college. And when you sprinkle them in and you
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: give the wrong guy power, you give the wrong guy
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: authority just because that's the next step in their career.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: And like he was good at one thing doesn't mean
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: he's gonna be good another thing. And they're as bad
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: managers out there in business that are in powers positions
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: of power. They're like, well, yet he knows what he's doing.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: He's a coach at LSU. I mean, sometimes there's some
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: huge idiots out there, may.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Have big dumb dumbsh fans.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: I'm a dumb dumb so really good.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: You said it well, a lot of people abably said that,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: but I will I will tell you this. I will
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: tell you this LSU fans. Joe Brady walked by me.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I was on the podium, so I was. I was
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: on the show, and he knew I couldn't like take
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: my head set off.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: He hit me with the go.
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: Tigers, see you up by real I want to sugar
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: his hand like thank you.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I end up talking to him later, but it's funny.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: It made me laugh on air, as he's other now
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: head coach at the Buffalo Bills. As you all know,
• 41:11
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