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Thank you. Now here are the hosts of the
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United We Scan Podcast. Welcome back, everybody.
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Episode 42. We titled it oh, what a Wrecks
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it is because we just got our evaluations back.
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Well, some people did. Some people didn't.
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They're supposed to be giving them out Saturday.
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But a lot of managers, when I'm not in on Saturday, I'm not
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going to do it. So some people will get them
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Monday, and if you have Monday off, you'll end up getting them
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on Tuesday. If you don't get them by then,
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you'll have to contact your designated union representative.
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But I've given you the title, so it's going to be a fun one.
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But let's start with Josh. How was your week?
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My week was fairly well I suppose, ended up having to
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work. My kday even though I have a
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newer sub because you know the sub had to have a day off for
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the week so I file file filed on that one.
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My birthday was Friday so been doing the birthdayish things
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through the weekend. My sister-in-law who lives right
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around the corner. Made me breakfast this morning.
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Well, brunch and dinner tonight. And a cake.
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So that was nice. That was your week, James.
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Well, aside from biting my nails and worrying about what's going
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on with the evaluations and things like that, mail volume
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was down. There's no argument about that.
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It was low volume every day. Even Monday, we didn't have our
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box holder that we have every week anymore.
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They've gotten rid of that or marriage mail.
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So that's been a hit to our counts.
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And of course package volumes are down because everybody's
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worried in this area because we're the home of the big three
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and the big three are striking, so everybody's holding their
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money. A lot of people are on strike
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pay when they're out there on the picket line, so they aren't
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making as much as they normally do on the factory line, so
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they're not ordering as much stuff as they normally do.
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Plus stuff's gotten a lot more expensive.
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So it's it's been very, very bad for us and good.
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Notice that it the economy is not stable right now.
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Other than that we the weekend was really nice.
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Ended up going to the Tigers game today, the last game of the
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season for them and the last game for Miguel Cabrera.
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So they did a nice little send off for him and everything, but
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he's not done with the Tigers. He's going to actually move to
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the front office and work for the Tigers in a front office
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capacity now that he's retired and they're hoping to put him in
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the Hall of Fame. So that's what we were doing
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today and that's why I was running behind coming here, but
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apparently I made it in time to do the podcast.
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We're still waiting on Bill to finally get here, but one of the
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things I wanted to tell everybody about me is my route.
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Mr. Positive, the whole time actually went down an hour.
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I went from a 42K to A41K and that's okay for me because my
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route has sat on that 4142 K precipice since I took it over
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and cleared out all of the extra loading that the carrier before
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me had done on it. So there were addresses on there
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that were vacant, that were still active, things like that.
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And you know, just getting everything squared away and put
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up for, you know what I needed for the route.
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So being on the Precipice 4142, I'm going to definitely have to
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go over my 4240 ones with a fine tooth comb and find if they
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messed things up. How did your route fare, Josh?
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Well, I went up another two standard hours and I look back
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at a picture I took of my 4240 back in March.
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I was at 5850. I'm sorry, 5849 standard hours.
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In May I went to 6105 and now I'm at.
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I think it was 6253. So I'm just giving them more to
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cut when they actually figure out how to do it.
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And I know that's a big question that I've been seeing the last
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couple days is when and how are they cutting routes?
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Yeah, I just had my district, my local district meeting this last
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week. And the I knew they were testing
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in a small area, I think in Alabama and the ADR said that it
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failed miserably. So they have to go back to the
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drawing board to try and figure out how to do round adjustments.
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So I know I will be able to maintain this pay for a little
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while. Bill, the bill has joined us.
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How was your week, Bill? There's an asshole in the house.
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Oh God, thank God the rain's over.
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Thank God the the anticipation for the evaluations is over.
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And thank God for management, because I feel smarter every
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time I talk to them. Typical week, lots of bundled
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flats with WSH in there with no WS S's.
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Parcels were kind of heavy this week.
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Mail was minimal. You know and and you know our
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our president-elect now tells us that well you don't understand
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that the mail volumes have decreased over the years.
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Well, well, we've delivered our routes, so we know the mail has
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decreased. But since the recs institution
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DPS isn't worth spit, so it doesn't matter if you had two
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trays or 7 trays, it really has no bearing on your true
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evaluation. I was off yesterday, so I didn't
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get my evaluation, but other carriers in our office did and
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and it, you know, according to my projections, it it went
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almost the way I thought it would.
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We only had one major increase because she went from a a a drop
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for a retirement home to an incurring 219 cluster box units.
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So she went up, but almost everybody in the office went
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went down an hour to two hours. One route did go down five
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hours, and we know why that is because they don't pay attention
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to wrecks. And yesterday was my birthday.
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Friday was Josh's. Birthday.
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So my son's is next to Saturday. So we we were out.
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This is why I'm late. We were out having a family
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birthday dinner. So thank you for your patience
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standing by. Remember it's God family, then
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your job. Nah, God family, then the then
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the craft. God family, then the craft.
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And the job is, you got your customers and the customers are
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the people we take care of. And the dogs and the kids and
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the elderly. Yeah, everybody.
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Everybody on our route. Best part of our job is out in
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the route. Yep, Yep.
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So going through our comments that we've gotten on both our
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Facebook page and other groups that we belong to that we've put
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out how people did. A lot of the comments we got
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were all over the board, but it seems like it's hit and miss on
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who went up, who went down. It doesn't look like it was a
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massive amount that went down this time compared to the first
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time, but I just wanted to go over a few comments that people
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did like this one. Still don't understand how my
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true rural route is a 44-H and the ones that are in town are 44
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K and are done before 1300. Every day they get paid 44 K
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money and work 36 H hours. I did every scan and everything
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I was supposed to, yet they gained an hour and I'm still the
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same. This damn system is a joke.
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I'm tired, frustrated, and ready to throw in the towel.
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I do feel very bad for our very rural routes, especially those
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in areas that they have to travel long distances to get to
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their mailboxes because they're the ones that got screwed over
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the most in this system. Even more than CBU routes.
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But the worst ones are the ones that have long miles and CBU
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neighborhoods. Those are the ones that got
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really shafted in this rec system.
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Do you guys agree? Oh definitely.
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Because the old adage was miles is a good thing.
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But since they put the speed matrix in there miles are no is
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no longer a good thing and you don't know whether you're
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getting zipped the zilch when it comes to a CBU unit.
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So you know and and they they still have to fight that one so
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I mean. If you're going to sit there and
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tell me that the you know they're they're going to not
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allow coverage for your CBU because the first one didn't get
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mail and the mail is dictated, you know getting mail is
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dictated by what's on the DP in your D, PS:.
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Well folks, that doesn't account for all your raw mail your miss
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throws, your miss sorts that you're getting from other
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carriers as well as the bundles that are coming in because those
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aren't accounted for it in the coverage factor for that day.
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Or any other type of item you know that you're delivering to
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the CBU's every day the same way, you know, I've seen the
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comments where people are going, you know, shouldn't I have a
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dismount for, you know, a CBU no matter how many trips I make and
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and they have none and they've got 22 CBU's.
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This system is so flawed. The only thing worse than that
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is the US government. Well, supposedly they fix the
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issue with the. If the first slut doesn't get
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mail, you don't get credit. I'm just going to leave that
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where that one right there as it is and I know they said they
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were separating the coverage factor.
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I didn't see take notice to it on my A yet but I haven't had a
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chance to really look look at it.
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But on the MIG C3 separate line three or four separate lines for
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coverage factors and all of them say 74% so.
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I don't know how they calculated that, but that's better than the
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71% I had last time. But how can that be that you're
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benchmarking again? Yep, average percentage is a
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benchmark to me. Well, it's saying that, yeah, I
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don't know. Because you can have how that
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plays into it. You can have 100% coverage one
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day, have 60% coverage the rest of the week, and you get that
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76%. Yep, you have 100% coverage on
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Monday and 60% coverage Tuesday. Through Saturday.
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You get 78%. Yep.
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So it's stupid, but that's what they wanted.
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Our next comment. Love the podcast.
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You all have been a lifesaver with the rec system.
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I'm one of those crazies that printed the manual and tried to
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learn learned more from just a couple of of your episodes 45 to
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43. First evaluation gained an hour.
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However, I didn't take the route till the 1st of the year.
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There's proof that getting the information, understanding the
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information, and learning how to do it all benefited the route.
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And if anybody had taken the time to break it down, as this
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podcast did for The Craft, a lot more people probably would have
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paid attention, especially if it came from somebody in a position
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of leadership. You guys agree?
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Oh, 100%, yeah. But if you don't carry your
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route, how would you know? If you don't work mail, how
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would you know? There's no way that anybody on
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the national board has a clue on as to how to deliver mail.
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Or you know everything else in regards to wrecks.
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I bet you if they had gone into an office that was a test office
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for a few days and I don't care if they charge that, travel back
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to the union on that, that's fine with me.
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They've gone into a test office for three days and seeing how it
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worked, then went back, talked about changing the things that
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needed to be changed and fixing the things that need to be
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fixed, waited a few months and then went out and checked again
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at another office. They probably would have had a
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better system than just sitting in an office saying, well, it's
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fine. They're telling us it's fine.
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Management's telling us it's working OK.
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Kind of like when they put out that notice about the
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unprocessed and management turned around and told them that
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they fully investigated and all data has processed and been
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recorded properly. I don't think all data has been
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recorded properly, but we'll get into that later.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, my, my, my, my first dispute on this
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whole mini mail survey for my office in particular is that we
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sign in and out our arrow keys which makes them an accountable.
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Yet we don't have credit for an accountable every day.
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I'm sorry, folks. I want to get paid for it.
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If you're making me accountable for it by, you know, having my
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signature on there. I want to get paid.
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Or once the union and the post office agree on how to
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compensate us, you'll have to scan the key out and scan it
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back in, which they already started doing in my office with
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the on the City side, which is a penny.
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Yes, because you need you have to have a supervisor.
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Barcode to quit, you know to clear you, which would be fun to
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figure out how they. How they're going to do this?
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They had a long time to figure all this stuff out, but they
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were too busy dealing with other things they wanted to focus on
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than wrecks. Yeah, like getting reelected to
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their positions, holding on to power, decertifying stewards and
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Adr's talk, helping people on social media.
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Hold it. They need decertified stewards.
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Why would they do that? They don't pay the stewards.
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That's not a financially sound move and they decertified in
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ADR. Well, are you talking about the
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one I know? No.
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Or, you know, they had another one.
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I'm talking about the one they decertified for for giving help.
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Clicking the Social Media Policy.
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Oh, OK. Yeah, they were for more focused
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on that than getting management to actually fix recs before the
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very first mini mail survey. But anyways, next comment we
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have. This is one of the issues that a
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lot of people have with our pay system that we have.
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They said love the podcast Time went up but lost one hour of pay
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42K to A45J. Now a 44 K to too high for the
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46 J. So they probably could take the
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high option, but they can't get the high J so they have to be a
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low K At 44 they're still higher than when they started.
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They started out of 42K. And if you can enjoy your days
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off, Yes, days off are a big thing, you know, Especially
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nowadays when Subs are a premium.
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So having a lot of K routes in an office does allow you to go
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into the formula situation where you could have a have two days
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off. They just won't be consecutive.
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It's a pain in the butt, but at least it gives you two days off
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in a way. Plus, you get a day off during
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the week. You can schedule doctor's
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appointments and things like that.
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Which segues right into the next topic of the Subs and training
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them and assisting them, mentoring them.
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We've gone over that on three of our episodes already, Bill.
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I know it, but it doesn't hurt. The repeat is Kristen is our
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resident RCA and she decided to enjoy herself.
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And we fully support that at a concert.
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So she gets to do that. Bill went out for his birthday.
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I went to a baseball game. Kristen's at a concert.
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It just happens. The concert interferes with
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doing the recording of the podcast.
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I'll just dock her play later. Yeah, there we go.
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All right, next comment I have. My route actually went up and I
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think I owe it totally to this podcast.
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The podcast saved me. I was out recovering from open
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heart surgery last count and I missed so much information.
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Upon returning to work I stumbled upon the podcast and it
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has educated me more than any union page or any other guide.
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I am so grateful for this podcast.
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I look forward to it Every Monday I go back and listen to
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old episodes all the other days of the week as well.
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I'm so grateful that the members take time out of their own life
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to educate us. I have suggested it to the other
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carriers in my office as well. It is truly a godsend for me.
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First and foremost, congratulations on surviving
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open heart surgery and I'm glad you're doing very well and we
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appreciate the kind comments to us.
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I'm glad that it helped your route go up.
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I just want to say I almost take offense to that.
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They are implying I have a life. But yes, I am definitely glad to
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hear that you're doing well and or we're able to come back to
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the job. Thank you for the discussion.
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Any information is better than the Nationals neglect.
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Ouch. 46 K to 41 J Now 45 K Wrecked.
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Wrecked my retirement. My state stopped supporting
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local involvement when national brought us all in line.
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I'm glad I found the podcast. Thanks.
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I think they said it first perfectly, don't you guys?
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Well, yeah. This is where, like my comment,
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the couple weeks ago said, where everybody in in every state is
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trying to align themselves to the policies of the national
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board. It doesn't make it right just
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because it's the national board. And the reason we have our
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different states in the in the territory of Puerto Rico is that
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you have your own lines. You can make up your own
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decisions as far as your constitution, your bylaws, your
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state assembly requirements. You don't have to mirror the
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national board, because, folks, they don't have it right yet
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either. Well, I understand.
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I'm gonna say I understand there are some things you want to keep
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in line, but yeah, each state and territory should be their
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own. You know, should have their own
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guidelines and they should be state specific.
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Right. Because what goes goes in
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Virginia doesn't work in Montana or Wyoming.
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Yeah, you know what? What happens in California has
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no reflection on Alaska or Hawaii.
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I can't see why not. Really.
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Then open your eyes. Oh, this one actually goes to
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the two articles that our Director of Labor Relations and
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our Director of Stewart Operations put out in August,
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National Magazine. I started at 42 H, went down to
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38 H and with this evaluation. With this evaluation I am a 41 H
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Love the podcast. It is extremely helpful and
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informative. Please keep up the great content
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and thank you. Thank you all for the
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encouragement and support. That's the exact point I was
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trying to make when I made my comments about this.
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When we went over the last evaluation in the episode, what
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was it called? Was that aftermath or the other
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one? The aftermath?
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The aftermath. When we break down the 4241 A
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for everyone and we talk about what happened, this is exactly
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what I was talking about. These routes that dropped into
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excise territory went so low because of the fact that
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management was pushing the six scans and because they listened
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to the aftermath in our episode carrier discussion activity
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scans, Yeah, And they listened to those two episodes, big
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episodes that we had about the mini mail survey, and then the
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activity scans you're supposed to be doing.
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These carriers have turned around and moved their routes
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into a position that they're no longer going to be excised
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because 40H is the lowest you can go as a regular route and
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not have the risk of being excised.
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So being a 41 H benefits the carriers because they no longer
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are in the excise category. Plus with that change they're
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going up three hours. That route could go up another
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two as we get a full 52 weeks of actual inputs in there.
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That's what I was talking about. That's my positivity right
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there. I'm positive.
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I want whatever you smoke. Well, we we, we had a difference
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of opinions in me and you in regards to how this evaluation
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would go and I don't want to toot my own horn, but it does
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sound like people stayed in that mid range that I said that
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there's going to be marginal change.
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And my office that, you know, was a perfect example of it.
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I had the one outlier of, you know, throwing out for adding on
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219 CBU units and the other outlier of somebody dropping
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from A46K to A43J because of the fact that he just doesn't put
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the effort into it. And and then, you know, wants to
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complain to me about it and say, well, I don't understand.
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I said, well, you know, it's because we don't see you at the
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meetings. We don't see you, you know, on
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any of the Facebook pages. We don't see you as a
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participant in the United. We scan podcasts.
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You know, we've we've got an open book where you can post
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questions, everything. I said, I've never seen your
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name up there and the only time this guy ever, ever approaches
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me is when he has a problem. Not looking for information has
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a problem. And by that time.
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The information he he could have had would have avoided the
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problem. And though, although I'm no
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longer a local steward, I still assess that all the carriers in
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my office, that's this what you do as a union member.
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That's what you do as a craft member, period.
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That's what we're supposed to do.
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Well this is one of the ones that hurts though.
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My route went up to 6808 hours and my wife went up to 72.
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No help because of no Subs. Feeling forgotten by the Union?
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Remember the old? Remember the old saying you
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don't get paid for everything you do?
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And then they created wrecks and now you're supposed to get paid
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for everything that you do. Explain to me how they're going
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to get paid for what they do. Between the two of them, they
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have a whole other route. Yeah, and and don't give me the
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horseshit about FSLA because of the fact that that does that.
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That argument doesn't hold water.
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And. They're probably working their
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hours too. Yeah.
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And I would say the well, what's your favorite thing, Bill?
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File file file. Because if they can't give you
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auxiliary assistance, they should be giving you time and
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1/2 for anything over the 48 hours in five days.
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We're 54 hours over 6. I do have a correction to make.
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I was just informed of exercising occurs at 35 or less
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hours, not 39 like I said, but once you go below 40 hours,
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you're into guaranteed pay. So if you go under, you go to 39
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H you go into guaranteed 40 hour pay.
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So anything below 30? 9 Next I believe it's until the
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next guarantee period. They have two years, didn't
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guarantee for the contract, but it's each each guarantee year
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they have to reevaluate it. And if you don't know what?
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Guaranteed pay is Ladies and gentlemen, look to the lower
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right hand corner at the smaller number.
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That's what the guaranteed pay is on your 4241 A.
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Yep, and that was discussed in the Aftermath episode All the
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boxes on the 4241 A from the first mini mail survey.
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Now there are a couple new boxes on this one, so we may have to
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do another episode on that, but I haven't gotten my 4241 A yet
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because I had Saturday off so. Oh, you did it tomorrow.
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I know, I know. So where do carriers go from
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here, guys? What's What's the next step that
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they have to do? Any mail survey dispute?
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Yep, I'm going to say review your 4241.
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A. And if you got the M, compare
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them. If something doesn't match up,
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dispute it. If you're not seeing something
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on there at all that you know you should have added credit
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for, dispute it. We were, you know, like Kristen
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was saying that the one route she's a sub for.
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At her at her office, they he disputed the mileage and he got
31:03
it and they backdated it to the beginning of the new evaluation.
31:09
So unfortunately it came through just in time for the new
31:17
evaluations to come through. But you want to dispute it.
31:23
Make sure you're being vigilant. In doing your scans still
31:32
because it is 52 weeks of data, so some of these that recoup
31:39
sometime from the April survey to now still have 26 weeks of
31:48
data where they weren't doing stuff, so they potentially might
31:53
will go up next. April, May timeframe, if they
32:00
continue being vigilant and diligent and doing the scan, you
32:05
know what stands they're able to correct, get credit for.
32:13
Well, here's an interesting question.
32:14
How do you dispute the speed matrix off your whole route?
32:19
With a measuring wheel, measure the distance between every stop
32:28
sign, every yield sign, every you turn you make make it every
32:34
mailbox. And then you have to calculate
32:36
out what your speed matrix is on that measurement using the speed
32:41
matrix table in the 99 page guide.
32:45
Well, plus you have to put your traffic control points in there.
32:48
So I said every stop sign, yeah. Yeah, plus plus you have to have
32:52
your speed limits in there too, because of the fact that.
32:56
Routes such as mine, over 60% of my route is 25 mile an hour
33:00
speed limit, which is favorable for me versus the people with
33:07
the mileage. Routes.
33:09
Who are getting hit, what, 48 miles an hour?
33:12
Well, it's the speed of the road doesn't matter in Rex.
33:19
Excuse me, the speed of the road does not matter to Rex.
33:26
It is the start and stop point. It is.
33:31
The start and stop point for each stretch only measured on
33:36
your LTM, your map where you watch the little car run along.
33:41
It measured each distance between your traffic control
33:43
points from your startup post office until you end at the post
33:47
office. Every traffic control point,
33:49
every mailbox adjusted your speed matrix.
33:55
Every turn you made actually adjust your speed matrix.
33:58
But if you have over 5030 feet of travel distance, you better
34:05
be averaging 48 miles an hour on that road.
34:11
And if you're not, you're losing money.
34:16
Now I do know for a fact that you can actually get a Google
34:22
Map API that actually downloads the road speed limits to do
34:29
mapping programs like that, but would they pay for that or
34:33
implement something like that? Hell no, it doesn't benefit
34:36
management. It doesn't benefit management,
34:40
especially if you're coming out of a SD&C that they want to push
34:43
all these carriers into that have to travel 20 miles to their
34:46
route on 25 and 35 mile an hour roads with long distances
34:51
between stop signs. That's going to be a benefit
34:56
majorly to the post office. So you may have a 40H route, but
35:02
under the original count speed matrix you'd actually be a 48K.
35:10
There's a lot of problems with the speed matrix, and one of
35:13
them is this the minimum speed you have to maintain in order to
35:19
break even on your route. But James, realistically what?
35:28
Let's pretend that they would invest in such a program for all
35:36
these true rural routes with this deadhead time from boxing,
35:43
you know, one to two miles potentially between each box.
35:50
Would that? Even make a difference or that
35:54
much of a difference. OK, so say you have a route that
36:00
you're on a very rural Rd. It's a 55 mile an hour two lane
36:04
blacktop Rd. We'll use that as an example.
36:07
The 55 mile an hour speed limit would benefit the post office in
36:12
Rex. What would hurt them is all
36:15
these carriers leaving out of SD and C's because all those roads
36:21
are 2535 miles an hour. It would also benefit even more
36:27
the carriers who work within city limits and may have to
36:30
travel a mile and a half two miles to the route.
36:33
Case in point myself, it's 3 1/2 miles from the office to the
36:38
first mailbox on my route and 2 1/2 miles from my last mailbox
36:42
back to the office. That would benefit me a little
36:46
bit, but I've got 50 mile an hour roads all the way to my
36:50
first mailbox so I can make the speed matrix.
36:56
Now Kristen, her route has 25 and 35 mile an hour stretches in
37:04
her area that she's losing money on.
37:07
On those routes. She's talking about the 93 mile
37:10
route. That's the one that got hurt a
37:12
lot by the speed matrix. And if they had done the speed
37:16
with the road speed limits, it would have been fair, honest and
37:23
accurate for the carriers. And that's what we wanted with
37:26
the system was to be fair and honest and accurate.
37:31
Right. Well, that's, you know, I'm, you
37:36
know, we're preaching to the same choir.
37:39
I'm just saying if they went by the what the posted speed limit
37:43
was calculated to, it's this many.
37:47
This much time for this much distance, would it make that
37:55
much more of a difference, I think in the grand scheme of
38:02
things For long rural routes, maybe, maybe not, you know,
38:08
depending on road, the roads themselves.
38:12
But then you also have to think about areas like Michigan or
38:16
North Dakota. Will you get a crap ton of snow?
38:21
You're not going to be doing 48 miles an hour on snow covered
38:26
roads if you are. If you are, you better be a very
38:31
good driver and you better have very good snow tires on your
38:34
vehicle. I guarantee you I'm not doing 48
38:37
miles an hour in an LLV in the snow.
38:41
Yeah, you're lucky if you're doing 4.8 miles.
38:45
Well, my my LLV has gotten through a lot of snow that I
38:49
didn't think it would. I will give it that.
38:54
It's it gets through a lot more snow than a mattress I'll get.
38:58
I'll also say that just a dusting makes the mattress sit
39:01
in one spot with the traction control it has.
39:04
Well, this is true. We've talked about that before.
39:07
Yep, the the mattress. I think the mattress treats snow
39:13
like it's living in Texas. If it snows a little bit, Nope,
39:17
I'm not going out. Yep.
39:21
No offense, Texas people, but you know it's true.
39:26
And and we got a comment about gravel roads.
39:28
How many people have roads like that where they're traveling the
39:33
better part of their route on beat up dirt and gravel roads in
39:37
the truly, truly rural areas of America?
39:40
How the hell does that affect them exactly?
39:44
You know, you have my route, you have my route.
39:46
For example, half my route is, is there are roads, and 3/4 of
39:50
those are private roads that don't get maintained by the
39:53
county. And even the ones that get
39:55
maintained by the county is once every two or three months
39:58
between gradings. And in that time frame they get
40:01
all sorts of messed up. I've gone down the road sideways
40:05
from the bouncing in my LV. So it's it's yeah, I think,
40:11
honestly. The driving part should be.
40:14
The driving part should literally be calculated by how
40:17
long it takes you to go between box and box.
40:20
It shouldn't be a benchmark average that some engineer in an
40:26
office cooked up. Well, that's the problem.
40:30
Yeah, the same way with our national board.
40:32
These engineers didn't go out and drive these routes.
40:36
They didn't take a sampling. They did the test offices, but
40:39
they didn't go to. Every example of offices, which
40:43
there's probably at least maybe 100 to 150 different types of
40:47
routes in the rule carrier craft, yeah.
40:55
Yeah, you've got people like Josh and Josh.
40:57
How many miles do you do a day? Josh, 20 OK, how many?
41:02
How many units do you serve? 900 and. 80 something Yeah, I
41:12
have 1000. OK, now now go find a route that
41:17
matches his or or or match that one route where they they drive
41:21
a total of 3 miles. I have 1100 boxes.
41:26
Yeah, or they're driving 147 miles and they're servicing 349
41:31
boxes. Each route is is specific unto
41:35
itself. That's why invention working
41:37
can't, cannot be allowed. To be enforced because of the
41:41
fact that no two routes are exactly the same.
41:45
Yep, I was talking to on Facebook and on a post with a
41:50
girl who has 1400 addresses on her route.
41:58
I hate to see that at Christmas. Yeah, I have one in my office
42:03
with 1368. But yeah, you were talking about
42:07
like with. Gravel roads.
42:09
I remember when I was in high school me and some buddies took
42:12
a road trip and we ended up staying at this one town.
42:17
The main road was the one with the least amount of rocks in it.
42:21
All right, this question was asked in our in our stage chat.
42:26
I have a question. I've been off for both mail
42:29
counts due to having surgery. If I am available to come back
42:33
to my route, do I have to wait until the next mail count to get
42:37
it changed? If I get reading this right,
42:41
you're asking if you go back to your route and they haven't done
42:45
any of the scams, done any of the stuff that they're supposed
42:47
to be doing, or you find things that are wrong.
42:50
The minute you recognize a problem, you can grieve it,
42:54
dispute it, things like that, depending on which part of it
42:58
you're dealing with. The dispute process is supposed
43:01
to be turned in at a specific date so they can go over the
43:04
disputes and fix everything. But with you being out on
43:08
injury, ever having a surgery, the time you have to notice is
43:16
the first time you're back to work, right Bill?
43:19
Correct and and in that time you can sit down during specific
43:24
times of the month to go over your DPM and your LPM.
43:28
And question vacant boxes, stops, dismounts, the the
43:33
footage for dismount collection, box unit, parcel lockers and
43:37
such. If you have any hardships and
43:40
dismounts whatsoever, all those things can be contested at that
43:44
time and put into your VPM and your LTMS so that it can be
43:50
corrected. It may take them some time to
43:54
get it corrected. But they should be able to do it
43:56
within a two to four week period and that's about the only time
44:00
you're going to get any type of adjustment there.
44:05
Otherwise all the other factors including your scans and there
44:08
and all are going to have to be calculated with the next mini
44:12
mail survey and the previous 52 weeks data collected.
44:18
I was just going to say now if you're talking about just the
44:21
two week mini survey. Then that the only thing that
44:28
they were counting during that was raw mail which is less than
44:34
5% of the evaluation where the bill and James were talking
44:38
about if you were out for an extended period and it was
44:42
whoever they had available to run the route that day to get
44:47
you know to correct the things. And that's when you sit down
44:51
with a facilitator to make sure that your your mapping is done
44:55
correctly. That's the only time you're
44:58
going to make any change. And you know, on top of learning
45:01
your scans and everything else until the next mini mail survey,
45:05
and I don't know why everybody keeps changing, Percentage is 6%
45:08
according to the post office, but 6% according to the 99 page
45:14
guide as well. Yeah.
45:16
So the the thing of it is that. You're going to make minimal
45:20
changes, you know, depending on how bad your your route's been
45:24
abused since since you've been out with your surgery.
45:28
But the thing of it is, is that when it comes to the actual data
45:32
collection it it'll have to wait until the next mini mail survey
45:37
and then that will be average with the previous 52 weeks data
45:40
collected including the time that you were off.
45:47
Another question we got. I would say you are right Bill.
45:51
They say it is 6 percent. 1% of that is your walking distances
45:55
in the office, which leaves the 5% left.
46:02
So the next question we have is if we deliver packages to doors
46:06
where they are over the one mile round trip, what should we be
46:09
scanning to make sure we are getting credit?
46:12
If we are scanning left at door or with customers, does that
46:15
give the credit for the extra time and mileage it takes to get
46:18
there? There's two things you get when
46:22
you do a trick, the door delivery, garage, delivery left
46:27
with customer and so on and that is out of route miles and out of
46:32
route feet. The out of route miles goes from
46:36
your mail stop to your park point in a straight line.
46:41
Your out of route feet goes from your park point to your door and
46:46
back in a straight line. Those two will show up on your
46:50
4241 M You'll find them on there as 00 R miles and 00 R feet.
46:59
That's where you'll find those on your evaluations that you got
47:03
back. And that's where Bill Bill
47:08
cusses out. The one particular customer has
47:10
a windy sidewalk all the way up to their front door, which adds
47:15
another, you know, 60 feet of travel.
47:18
Instead of this straight line to the damn door.
47:22
Very nice, very nice landscaping.
47:25
But you know, it just adds time to my ass.
47:32
And don't edit that. I'm going to say if it's over a
47:38
mile round trip, which means it's over 1/2 mile one way you
47:43
get credit for the skin on the 3849.
47:48
Left notice due to the distance for them to come pick it up.
47:53
That's just me. Yeah, but how many, how many
47:57
carriers do that Josh, don't. Don't we all all feel the
48:01
obligation to deliver? The product I also I think my
48:07
largest distance is 200 feet, so I can't say I probably would do
48:15
it. If I wasn't on a route that had
48:19
that but me personally, I do it unless the the driveway was
48:26
covered in snow. OK, you your name is Bill.
48:32
You have a purple mattress in the back of your truck.
48:35
It's, you know, 8 foot long by 8 foot wide.
48:40
It's probably over the the damn 70 pounds.
48:44
And you take it out and the driveway is five, five, 6/10 of
48:50
a mile away from the mailbox. Now does Bill want to sit there
48:55
and shuffle that box around all day long while trying to work
48:58
the rest of his mail and then turn around and leave at 3849,
49:02
take it out and bring it back in the office where there is no
49:05
storage for it? Or does Bill want to be customer
49:08
service oriented and drop it off at the customer's house and eat
49:12
this the 10th of a mile? I think Bill would deliver it
49:17
just because he's that kind of a person.
49:19
Damn straight. Well, that's what I said.
49:22
If I if I had that, I probably would be delivering it, you
49:25
know, but it's the but it's mapping, it's mapping.
49:33
So wherever you put the points, it's going to give you that
49:36
distance, even if it's over a half a mile.
49:41
Yes, mapping is the most important aspect of this member.
49:45
Yeah, mapping is the most important aspect to any office
49:48
that hasn't mapped should be grieving with their district
49:50
representative. That's according to the union
49:53
itself. Another question.
49:57
Boxes are on a major highway pull off to service.
50:01
Have to wait to get back on said road to go to next box.
50:04
Should we be using yield? It's not an actual stop sign,
50:07
but I can't continue. If traffic doesn't allow another
50:12
part of the speed matrix. That's the problem.
50:15
Traffic is not a factor. Construction is not a factor.
50:22
Any type of slowdown is not a factor, right guys?
50:28
You don't get paid for everything you do.
50:33
They tried to sell it to us, but they still haven't worked it
50:36
out. So the biggest thing that's
50:39
coming up now is they're going to open up the ability to
50:43
dispute. And we talked about disputes in
50:47
the last episode. We've talked about disputes
50:50
multiple times and what's going on with them.
50:54
And the fact that a lot of people haven't gotten back
50:55
disputes from the first mini mail survey, which is a shame on
51:01
our Director of Labor relations. She should have been in there
51:05
making them get these disputes done.
51:11
Should have been pushing management to get this done.
51:18
When you have carriers whose money their pay depends on these
51:25
evaluations, you should be doing everything in your power to get
51:30
these disputes resolved in a positive manner.
51:33
For these carriers, not telling them the information has been
51:37
available since April of 2022, Now telling them that we'll have
51:43
management do the mapping. We'll have management correct
51:46
this, Pay the carriers, make them pay a set amount for each
51:57
violation they've done. Shouldn't be just saying, oh,
52:05
just get it done. Oh, just do it.
52:09
They didn't do it. They're already in violation.
52:14
That's like somebody driving drunk.
52:18
They go into court and the judge goes, just don't do it again.
52:24
We'll not put this on your record.
52:26
Just don't do it again. Well, guess what?
52:31
You have now just sent them back out.
52:33
They're now going to drink and drive again because there was no
52:36
punishment for that. But but but but yeah I I didn't
52:42
remember because I was drunk in court so so I I have plausible
52:49
not not not Nile ability. Sounds like you went through
52:59
this once before. I don't remember.
53:06
All right, people are getting a little carried away with my
53:09
thongs here in the. Chat.
53:14
You're the one that keeps bringing it up.
53:19
You know the biggest things that are going to happen now is
53:22
you've got to dispute. You've got to keep on it.
53:27
You've got to find all the problems with your 4241 A and
53:31
your 4241 M management is not required to give you the 4241 M
53:37
You have to ask for it. Some good managers will print it
53:40
out for you anyway. But yeah, I have.
53:44
If you ask, yeah. If you ask for it and they don't
53:47
give it to you, get with your designated junior
53:50
representative, because they're supposed to give them to you
53:54
upon request. Yeah, I actually have mine when
54:00
I got off the route yesterday. Both the A and the M are on my
54:05
case, so. Well, I I'm waiting with a bated
54:13
breath in regards to what I'm going to discover tomorrow, what
54:16
my route is, because I only had seven hours to play with to stay
54:20
at 48 K I'm a 63.34 hour route now.
54:31
Or was. We'll see.
54:33
Lucky. Lucky.
54:38
I'm waiting for the back pay. Yeah.
54:43
So that brings up another point that I wanted to come up with
54:46
and this is what I want to close the show on, is this change,
54:52
especially a lot of carriers going up right now is going to
54:56
reinvigorate upper management to get on lower management.
55:01
The push benchmarking and harassing carriers, it's going
55:07
to happen. You guys know it as well as I do
55:14
that management is pushing for benchmarking big time because
55:18
they've seen how low your routes can be without any of those
55:22
scans. The ones that went up are the
55:26
ones that are going to be getting a lot more talking to
55:28
ones that went down probably aren't as much, but we cannot
55:34
let them harass you. What do we do when they start
55:39
harassing us, Bill? Oh, we file, file, file.
55:43
And then we go for the EEO. You know the the biggest thing
55:51
is management wants the benchmarking because it benefits
55:57
them to keep the numbers down because it looks good on a
56:03
spreadsheet. It looks all pretty when none of
56:06
the numbers are red. Well, I want to add something in
56:14
here before we get the closing here and I found this off of
56:18
Facebook, it's all and it has the United States Postal Service
56:22
official letterhead and it's addressed to the rule carriers
56:26
and what it says is that because they management.
56:32
Are being pulled on the carpet for all their scans and entries
56:36
that effective as of tomorrow, Monday the 2nd.
56:40
All second trips must be documented.
56:44
The date of delivery, the addresses and the reason for the
56:47
additional trips must be documented and available for
56:50
revision upon request. If you need a pen or paper, see
56:54
management. All parcels picked up on the
56:58
route must be verified by management prior.
57:02
To being placed in the outgoing mail.
57:04
If management is not available, have a witness review the
57:07
parcels. Count the number of parcels at
57:11
picked up. Write this in the same piece of
57:14
paper with the date with the initials of management or the
57:17
witness. There's a tracking number or
57:20
two. It is to be added to the sheet
57:24
where that would be helpful too if the parcels picked up.
57:30
Are for my post office pickup request form must be completed.
57:35
I don't know how you completed except for on the scanner in in
57:38
in its entirety and return to management.
57:41
Nothing more needs to be done. Isn't that nice of them?
57:45
Occasionally a wrong button could be hit or an enter could
57:49
be made. Well, if you hit the wrong
57:51
button that would be an error, correct folks?
57:54
So this is normal and shouldn't be for common, Shouldn't be a
57:58
common occurrence. Well, if it's normal, how could
58:02
it not be a common occurrence? Please document these
58:07
occurrences with this data and brief description of your alert.
58:15
By the way, please be honest with your entries, hold yourself
58:18
accountable. If you're having any questions
58:21
or anything isn't completely clear, please ask management
58:25
now. I hate to tell you folks, I
58:28
responded to this both and it started out with piss my ass.
58:34
We're not required to do this. We're not getting paid to do
58:37
this. This is another type of
58:39
micromanaging and harassment in regards to Metro Marketing and
58:44
keeping all our numbers down. If they want this type of, you
58:48
know, clarity, let them ride with you every damn day.
58:54
Get in the back of the truck and see what I do every damn day.
58:58
And then after we're done that for a week, then I'm going to
59:00
file harassment charges. This has got to stop.
59:07
I I got called on the carpet last week because I had 18
59:10
unscanned parcels in one day. Well, I I was delivering the
59:15
Restoration Hardware catalogs which were ten 16th of an inch
59:21
thick and wouldn't fit into my slots with the mail.
59:26
Therefore they were unscanned parcels at the carrier's
59:29
discretion. 2 days later I asked to see my PTR report to make
59:34
sure they were still on there. They were on there because of
59:38
the fact that I had the information available and I
59:40
challenged them in regards to why they would or would not be
59:43
classified as an unscanned parcel.
59:46
If you don't check up on these things folks, they will
59:50
disappear. Same way the gentleman commented
59:53
that you know my keys, being accountable is not. 100 other
59:56
items that they, you know, say that they've already collected.
59:59
No, I want to see where that specifically is.
1:00:03
Challenge. Challenge them on everything and
1:00:07
then file. This bullshit has got to stop,
1:00:13
and it stops when you stand up for yourself.
1:00:18
And that's proof that management is benchmarking, harassing and
1:00:25
finding ways to micromanage every single carrier under their
1:00:29
purview. And the problem with that is
1:00:34
that's not part of our end of shift duties.
1:00:37
That's not part of our second trip duties.
1:00:41
Second trip duties. You only get paid load time and
1:00:47
three minutes per mile. You don't get paid time to to
1:00:51
write down the addresses of every parcel you're delivering
1:00:54
on your second trip. You don't get paid to do
1:00:59
anything else other than pick up those parcels, load them in your
1:01:02
truck and go deliver them. Now the returning parcel part,
1:01:08
that's fine. That's into shift duties.
1:01:10
That's part of that into shift time.
1:01:12
That's straight time on your evaluation.
1:01:14
It's benefiting you. Sure.
1:01:17
Take your time. Make sure you write down every
1:01:19
address and tracking number on each of these parcels.
1:01:21
Mr. Manager. Oh, please take your time.
1:01:24
I'll wait. No worries.
1:01:26
You know, we can stand here for 45 minutes while you go through
1:01:29
the 37 parcels that I have and write down every single tracking
1:01:32
number. That's fine.
1:01:34
I'll stand right here and watch you.
1:01:35
It's not my job to write them down.
1:01:39
Nope, it's your job. You want these numbers?
1:01:43
You write them down. You want this information, you
1:01:47
write it down. Hey, if you want the addresses
1:01:50
of the parcels I run for second trip, guess what?
1:01:53
They're going to be sitting by my case while I'm delivering my
1:01:55
route. Go on over there and write down
1:01:57
the addresses while I'm out of the office.
1:02:01
I'm not writing them down for you.
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I don't get paid to do that. I want a fair wage for Fair
1:02:08
Work. Could you imagine on a white
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day? The girl next to me or pick up
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on a light day is a little over 100 pieces.
1:02:26
Well, I want to be pissed off quick.
1:02:29
I want them to be there today, And this is Tuttle.
1:02:31
He has a slip in her mailbox saying pick up packages at the
1:02:35
mailbox or at the garage. And I back up and I put in five
1:02:39
large containers. I take them back and there's
1:02:42
502. USPS packages in there and I'm
1:02:48
going to stand there going. I'm going to write these down
1:02:51
now. Your manager is going to write
1:02:55
them down, not you. Oh no, no.
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I'm a much slower writer. Oh, OK.
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I use crayon do. You get the sharpener on the
1:03:08
side of your box. Damn straight.
1:03:10
I got the 64 color box. Nice.
1:03:14
You can do them in rainbow colors.
1:03:16
Grab one, write the first number, grab a next one, write
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the next number. Well, no.
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I'm going to color code it for the different cities.
1:03:25
There you go. See, I'm thoughtful.
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Yeah, I think last year at Christmas time they had to send
1:03:34
a two ton out to do the one pickup.
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By the way, this this was out of.
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Campton Post Office. Wherever Campton is, don't let
1:03:48
management bully you. Nope.
1:03:51
Don't let them tell you that you have to do things unless they
1:03:55
give it to you in writing, round dated and signed with their
1:03:58
name. Now if their boss wants to send
1:04:03
it down with his name on it and your manager rounds dates it,
1:04:07
that's fine too. His boss is giving you a direct
1:04:10
order. Sure.
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I'll take that round date and I'll also take an 8191 grievance
1:04:14
form. And get a copy of the boss's
1:04:18
order, too. Yeah, because you want every
1:04:23
piece of evidence you can get against management.
1:04:26
Because like from 8, arbitration says.
1:04:29
And we've said on here before, management would rather climb a
1:04:33
tree to lie than stand on the ground to tell the truth.
1:04:38
And this right here, this sheet that's going around, is a lie.
1:04:46
They don't need that information.
1:04:48
They just want to see how much you're willing to put up that
1:04:53
you're not part of your job responsibilities.
1:05:01
So remember, take care of yourself first.
1:05:09
Make sure you're doing your job to the best of your ability,
1:05:12
because management's not going to management's not going to
1:05:16
care if you're doing the job correctly.
1:05:18
They just want specific items to be the specific way that their
1:05:21
boss is telling them to do it. And on that note, Josh, what's
1:05:29
your final thoughts for this episode?
1:05:34
Go through them 40 to 40 ones or find 2 comb, find what?
1:05:41
If any errors, dispute, dispute, dispute.
1:05:46
Don't get yourself overwhelmed. If you do, take a step back,
1:05:50
take a deep breath and step back in.
1:05:55
Have a good week. We'll see you next time.
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Bill, what are your thoughts? Oh, I'm thinking that they have
1:06:07
nothing better to do with their time than harass us.
1:06:10
I think they have nothing better to do than try to steal from us.
1:06:14
I I always find it ironic that the dumbest people in the world
1:06:19
are in management of the post office, and especially when it
1:06:23
comes to experience or the contract or labor laws or even
1:06:28
common sense, I want everybody to understand that we're here
1:06:32
for you. You need to educate yourself.
1:06:35
You need to stand up for yourself.
1:06:37
They need to help others in your office who are unwilling or
1:06:40
unable to stand up for themselves because they they've
1:06:44
been basically bullied into submission.
1:06:46
It's time to step up, folks. It's time to step up and and
1:06:51
challenge them. You know, it doesn't matter
1:06:53
whether you're right or wrong. You're putting them on notice
1:06:56
that you're not going to tolerate this type of treatment,
1:06:59
this type of harassment, the micromanagement, the threats,
1:07:05
the benchmarking. This is your paycheck.
1:07:07
This is your livelihood. This is your career and the
1:07:10
person who has the most interest in it is you and us.
1:07:15
That's why we do this. So you know, get your mini mail
1:07:20
dispute forms ready and file, file, file, everybody go out.
1:07:25
Have a good safe week. Be careful out there, do the job
1:07:29
the best your ability and get home safely to your loved ones
1:07:33
because you're the most important delivery of the day.
1:07:36
And even if I don't know you personally, I mean it.
1:07:39
I it it breaks my heart when I see things where carriers you
1:07:43
know, have to put their lives on the line for this job.
1:07:49
Thank you guys both for doing this and Kristen for taking the
1:07:53
day off for us to run it on our own.
1:07:55
Boys will be boys here. Like everybody said, the biggest
1:08:00
thing here you. Know we actually did really good
1:08:05
today. Actually.
1:08:06
That's the that's the good thing.
1:08:08
We didn't go down too many rabbit holes or any of that
1:08:11
stuff. But that's the important thing
1:08:13
for us is just getting information out to you guys so
1:08:16
you can make an educated decision and contact your local
1:08:20
designated union representative with questions that you have.
1:08:24
Because the most important part of any union is the craft
1:08:29
employees. At the bottom, they are the
1:08:32
union. You listening to this podcast,
1:08:36
if you're a real carrier, you are the union each and every one
1:08:40
of us, and participation in that union is the most important part
1:08:46
of being a union member. Whether you're dues paying or
1:08:49
non dues paying, it doesn't matter to us because this craft
1:08:55
has both in it. By law, it has to.
1:09:00
And the only way we can make this union better is with more
1:09:04
participation. And that means that our dues
1:09:08
paying members get involved getting involved in your local,
1:09:13
your state or even the national level of the union and stepping
1:09:18
up and using your voice. And it starts by keeping
1:09:24
management in line with grievances.
1:09:27
Even if they settle it just for language, or if they settle it
1:09:30
for something less than what you think it should be, they
1:09:33
shouldn't, but they are. That shouldn't matter.
1:09:36
Filing the grievances starts a paper trail on management.
1:09:42
It starts with the disputes. It goes up to grievances from
1:09:46
there for the harassment. And then from there, it can go
1:09:50
up even to the labor board eventually.
1:09:55
So everybody have a safe week out there like Bill said and
1:09:58
Josh said, because every day I want to be able to speak with
1:10:03
you guys online. So take care of yourselves and
1:10:07
we'll see you next week.