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What Do Demons Look Like in the Modern Age_(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Do you think technology is inherently demonic?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God. I mean, you, it, okay. So first, like,
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  Speaker 2: let's define demonic. Okay. So what is your definition of demonic?
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  Speaker 1: With intent to harm, to, let me see, demonic. I
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  Speaker 1: would say of Satan's will.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: With intent to be a succubus. To the godliness that,
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  Speaker 1: to the nature and morality and godliness that exists inside
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  Speaker 1: of us as a group and as individuals.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make sense or not?
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  Speaker 2: Did you have Bishop Robert Barron on your show yet? No.
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  Speaker 2: Cool guy? You gotta have him on.
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  Speaker 1: BRB?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Damn, dude. You guys will hit up.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy though. Crazy initials to have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really cool. Sign him up, all right, Zach?
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  Speaker 3: I had him on my podcast, and he was telling me, well,
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  Speaker 3: what is the definition of Satan? What is the actual
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  Speaker 3: definition of Satan? What is it described as? And he said,
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  Speaker 3: it is the accuser, the scatterer, that which scatters. So
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  Speaker 3: if we're going to come up with a definition of
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  Speaker 3: the demonic, and the question is, is this technology demonic?
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  Speaker 3: And let's just throw the word Satan out for a
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  Speaker 3: second because that does create a knee-jerk reaction in people.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people do have like religious trauma for real.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that word gets thrown around a lot,
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  Speaker 3: but some people are born into highly abusive households where
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  Speaker 3: religion is used as an excuse to fuck with the
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  Speaker 3: rational mind or people.
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  Speaker 1: It's not when- Right, I'm being a little bit flippant
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think you're being flippant. I think you're,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just- But you're just clarifying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but- So for some people it's useful to throw
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  Speaker 3: out words like that and just, you don't have to
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  Speaker 3: use that word. If you, I think it's a useful word, but.
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  Speaker 1: Um, I could mean the devil, the dark energy.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever you want to, you know, but Satan does have
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  Speaker 3: like some specific definitions, the scatterer and the accuser.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: What is technology doing?
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  Speaker 3: It's accusing one group or another group of being the
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  Speaker 3: source of of all the suffering in the world. I agree.
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  Speaker 2: The accuser.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen you, Theo, accused of, you know, because of
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  Speaker 3: the people you have in your podcast.
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  Speaker 2: It's all your fucking fault, dude. Look what you've done.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: But it's not just you. It's not just you.
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  Speaker 3: It's what technology is doing, what the algorithm seems to
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  Speaker 3: be doing is creating these very clear distorted distinctions between
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  Speaker 3: groups of people.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Which is Anytime you have direct one-on-one contact with most people,
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  Speaker 3: they're awesome.
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  Speaker 2: They might be annoying. They might disagree with you.
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  Speaker 1: Might be chatty or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Chatty. But in general, they all. They're good. People want
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  Speaker 2: to help.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: People actually really want to help. It's very sweet. Did
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  Speaker 2: you have Bishop Robert Barron on your show?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Cool guy. You got to have him on.
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  Speaker 1: BRB?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Damn, dude. You guys will hit it up.
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  Speaker 1: What a crazy though.
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  Speaker 2: You guys will hit it up.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy initials to have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, having him on my podcast got me more interested
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  Speaker 3: in Christianity than any other time in my life. And
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  Speaker 3: the reason was not necessarily what he told me, though.
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  Speaker 3: He's a really cool guy, and obviously he's brilliant. He's
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  Speaker 3: a bishop, and he's obviously a theologian.
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  Speaker 1: He's Orthodox? Greek Orthodox?
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  Speaker 2: He's Catholic.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But what was really weird is I've had so many
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  Speaker 3: guests of all kinds of religions, I've had Satanists on
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  Speaker 3: the podcast. I've had witches on the podcast. I've had Hindus, Buddhists,
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  Speaker 3: New Age people, LSD chemists. I've had all kinds of,
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  Speaker 3: you know, generally.
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  Speaker 2: Wiggins?
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  Speaker 1: God's Dalmatians.
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  Speaker 3: Never.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't?
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  Speaker 2: Not yet.
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  Speaker 1: Bro, that's a road to go down. That's the eclipse, dude.
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  Speaker 1: That's the eclipse.
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  Speaker 2: No, I probably have. I have to go back and
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  Speaker 2: look at the catalog.
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  Speaker 1: That's a human eclipse.
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  Speaker 2: But, dude, I have one Catholic bishop on. And, man.
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  Speaker 3: People got so mad at me and it was really
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  Speaker 3: interesting because it's like, wait a minute, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 3: Like you guys didn't care when I had like.
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  Speaker 1: People who were trying to demonize the guy, why'd they
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  Speaker 1: get mad?
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  Speaker 3: Well, because like the, basically what started bubbling up was
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  Speaker 3: that I moved to Texas.
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  Speaker 2: I'm having a bunch of fucking kids.
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  Speaker 3: I've become some kind of fundamentalist Christian. I, All this, like,
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  Speaker 3: I love religion. And I love Christianity. I love, like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by it. And the New Testament is so
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  Speaker 3: beautiful and so different from what most people think it is. Like,
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  Speaker 3: when you sit down and actually read it yourself, if
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  Speaker 3: you have an idea of what Christianity is, you realize
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  Speaker 3: whatever that was is not what this is, which is,
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  Speaker 3: to me, a really sort of thrilling moment in studying
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  Speaker 3: any religion. Like, if you're going to critique religion, a
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  Speaker 3: religion or a philosophy, you really, I think need to
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  Speaker 3: study it deeply.
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  Speaker 2: Amen. And then you can then go for it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: We got to start doing that more. I think on
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  Speaker 1: here is learning about some of the depths of different religions.
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  Speaker 1: Cause you see a lot of stuff online that can
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  Speaker 1: lead you in certain ways.
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  Speaker 2: Um, but demons.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Satan, Satan and demons. I believe that Satan is
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  Speaker 1: way more active than we think. I think we got
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  Speaker 1: into this lush period of like, um, of self believing
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  Speaker 1: that something was taking care of us. Not that something
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  Speaker 1: doesn't love us, I believe that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But we believe that something was taking care of us,
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  Speaker 1: that we didn't have to show up for our own
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  Speaker 1: like salvation, not just, uh, religiously, but for our own
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  Speaker 1: salvation as human beings as well for our own day
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  Speaker 1: to day salvation. Do you think that, um, do you
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  Speaker 1: think that we are strong enough or care enough to
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  Speaker 1: save ourselves?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I hear what you're saying, and that's
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  Speaker 3: a really good question because I think you're pointing towards
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  Speaker 3: a misconception, or in Buddhism, what would be considered a
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  Speaker 3: distortion when it comes to what people think they are.
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  Speaker 3: So in Buddhism, this shows up as something called interdependency
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  Speaker 3: or dependent co-origination, which means that we're all connected, that
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  Speaker 3: the clothes that you're wearing.
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  Speaker 3: Everything that you are, everything around you, everything is there
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  Speaker 3: because of causes and conditions that created the situation that
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  Speaker 3: we're in. So in other words, when you ask, are
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  Speaker 3: we enough to save ourselves? It points to a distortion,
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  Speaker 3: which is we think we are an individual self disconnected
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  Speaker 3: from the system.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And Of course, we're not enough to save ourselves. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't just mean in a spiritual sense. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: everything that we considered that we need for survival around
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  Speaker 3: us right now is there because of the labor and
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  Speaker 3: work and energy of people you're never going to meet.
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  Speaker 3: The food was hauled in on trucks, the plastic in
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  Speaker 3: the Fiji bottle, your clothes, everything. Your books, the trees
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  Speaker 3: that grew to make the wood for your sign, all
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  Speaker 3: of these things point to a complete tapestry of existence,
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  Speaker 3: meaning there isn't such a self anyway. But if you
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  Speaker 3: think that you're a self, then if you're foolish enough
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  Speaker 3: to think you're all you need, it's like, look around you.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but no, I mean, I agree. But do you
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  Speaker 1: think we as a, do you think we are strong
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  Speaker 1: enough to show up and save ourselves?
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  Speaker 2: You mean as a species?
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  Speaker 1: As a species. Because I feel like we're kind of
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  Speaker 1: on the brink of this place where something could happen
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  Speaker 1: or like, were this like, like they're like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like darkness is trying to defeat us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it feels like, are we strong enough to save ourselves?
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  Speaker 1: Because some days it feels like maybe, and some days
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  Speaker 1: it feels like maybe not.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think a lot of people's suffering is related to self-cherishing.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people's suffering is related to being misdirected.
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  Speaker 3: There is a misdirected force.
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  Speaker 2: In the universe.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I'm not saying that there isn't obviously real evil
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  Speaker 3: happening in the world right now. But this moment right now,
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  Speaker 3: wherever you may be, this moment right now, it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: This is the kingdom of God. This is what I
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  Speaker 3: think Jesus was talking about. The kingdom of God is
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  Speaker 3: here right now. This is why the symbol of blindness
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  Speaker 3: appears again and again. Saul of Tarsus, Saul of Tarsus,
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  Speaker 3: stoning fucking Christians, which to this day is very popular.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they're one of the most persecuted Christians It's
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  Speaker 3: one of the most persecuted religions to this day. And
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  Speaker 3: people get mad at me for saying that, but you
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  Speaker 3: can look it up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Christianity?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. There's a lot of videos recently that
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  Speaker 1: you'll see. It's still happening in a lot of places.
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  Speaker 2: Very popular.
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  Speaker 1: Can you bring up the Saul of Tarsus story, please?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Saul of Tarsus. It's a great story.
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  Speaker 2: He became Paul.
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  Speaker 1: Saul of Tarsus. Thank you. Saul of Tarsus was a
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  Speaker 1: key observer and a proving bystander at the execution of Stephen,
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  Speaker 1: the first Christian martyr, rather than casting stones himself. Saul
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  Speaker 1: guarded the heavy cloaks of the witnesses while they carried
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  Speaker 1: out the stoning.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. And then who did he become? Saul of Tarsus,
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  Speaker 3: the road to Damascus. He's walking, has a vision of Christ.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus says, Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? He's
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  Speaker 3: had a conversion experience.
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  Speaker 1: The story of Saul in road to Damascus is a
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  Speaker 1: pivotal event in Christian history, describing Saul of Tarsus' dramatic
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  Speaker 1: conversion and the apostle Paul traveling to Damascus to arrest
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  Speaker 1: and persecute Christians. He was blinded by a divine light
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  Speaker 1: and heard the voice of Jesus. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Now, Now, there's a lot of interpretations of
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  Speaker 2: this event. Who knows?
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  Speaker 3: But this idea of blindness, Jesus curing the blind man,
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  Speaker 3: all this stuff, the blindness.