Latest / Karl and Crew / The Music of the Old Testament with Dr. Jim Coakley & Motivating Kids Without Nagging with Dr. Kathy Koch
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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond its cast
- 0:06S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
- 0:10S1: what seems impossible and live. As you never imagined delivering
- 0:16S1: the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every. Worldly gain available
- 0:21S2: and you're forfeiting your soul, there's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Karl
- 0:48S1: and crew.
- 0:49S2: I have a bit of a conundrum. Maybe you have
- 0:52S2: this as well. If you have a school aged child, okay,
- 0:56S2: very quickly they age out of your ability to assist
- 1:02S2: them with many subjects.
- 1:06S3: Okay, so they're not getting any.
- 1:07S4: Help from fair. That's fair.
- 1:09S2: My son had a algebra packet that he had the
- 1:15S2: whole summer to complete. This was the end of seventh
- 1:18S2: grade algebra packet that needed to be done before he
- 1:23S2: went back for eighth grade.
- 1:24S3: Was he doing getting so much homework in the summer?
- 1:26S2: It was just one packet.
- 1:28S3: That's. Yeah, that's more than enough.
- 1:30S4: Yeah, that's.
- 1:30S3: You shouldn't be getting any too many.
- 1:33S2: Well, that's probably what he thought. Which is maybe why
- 1:35S2: he didn't get it finished until the 11th hour.
- 1:39S3: I support his decision.
- 1:40S2: And so as he grew more and more frustrated, then
- 1:44S2: it became. Mom, I need your help. And then I
- 1:47S2: started to get frustrated because I looked at this sheet,
- 1:49S2: which mines what might as well have been written in Mandarin. Sure.
- 1:53S2: I said, I can't help you with this. And he
- 1:56S2: was like, how can you not help me with this?
- 1:59S2: This is seventh grade math. I said, I haven't done
- 2:02S2: seventh grade math since.
- 2:03S3: Seventh.
- 2:04S2: Grade. Seventh grade. And so he was frustrated because he
- 2:09S2: felt like I was letting him down. And I feel like,
- 2:12S2: how am I supposed to solve like a squared plus
- 2:15S2: B squared equals c squared. That's been a lot of years.
- 2:19S3: Yeah.
- 2:20S2: A lot of it's changed.
- 2:22S3: It's changed. Yeah. New math. You were talking about yesterday.
- 2:26S3: You got new math now and I. Yeah. No, you
- 2:29S3: shouldn't have to understand any of that. And he'll get it.
- 2:32S3: It'll take him a little while, but he'll understand that.
- 2:34S3: Of course, you're not gonna know any of that stuff.
- 2:35S2: He eventually. I mean, it was probably 9:00 the night
- 2:39S2: before the first day of school, and he was still
- 2:41S2: doing this. And I said, you.
- 2:44S4: Know what, man?
- 2:46S2: You had all this time and it didn't get done.
- 2:49S2: Turn in what you have. Just turn in what you have. Exactly.
- 2:53S2: We're not gonna all be held hostage by this summer workout.
- 2:58S4: Just call it. Just call it. We're done.
- 3:00S2: And but I really I don't know what you do
- 3:03S2: as a parent because you this the math is just
- 3:07S2: it's not something that you keep up with if you
- 3:09S2: don't use it.
- 3:10S3: Exactly.
- 3:10S2: Writing papers, I can provide some assistance reading English, those
- 3:16S2: kind of things. I can still help, but I just those.
- 3:20S2: The math problems beyond just like the basic functions, addition, subtraction, multiplication,
- 3:26S2: division even gets a little dicey division. Well, okay, when
- 3:31S2: you have to actually write it out and there's a,
- 3:34S2: there's a remainder, you're telling me you can solve a
- 3:37S2: long division problem.
- 3:38S3: I don't know what a remainder is anymore.
- 3:40S2: Okay, well then super nice eyes bug out.
- 3:44S3: What's a remainder?
- 3:45S2: You wanted to shame me for not knowing long division.
- 3:48S3: No no no no no, you said. You said division.
- 3:51S3: You didn't say long division with remainders.
- 3:54S4: If you divide nine by three, it's clear it's three.
- 3:58S4: Divide ten by three. There's a remainder. Remainder of one. See,
- 4:02S4: three goes into ten three times. And then there's one
- 4:04S4: left over.
- 4:05S3: See? Oh that's dumb.
- 4:07S4: But that's what I mean.
- 4:08S3: But that's. No no no no no no no. You
- 4:10S3: know what you should just say it doesn't. You can't
- 4:12S3: divide ten by three. It doesn't work. You don't need remainders.
- 4:16S3: You can just say it doesn't work.
- 4:19S4: Oh no I think.
- 4:20S3: I opened up.
- 4:20S2: Just wait Jonathan. And you even have a couple years before.
- 4:24S2: Before your daughter.
- 4:24S3: I know it's going to change kindergarten math.
- 4:26S2: You'll be able to.
- 4:27S3: Assist.
- 4:28S2: First, maybe even second grade. But mark my words.
- 4:31S4: Gonna get a little dicey.
- 4:33S2: By third grade, you're gonna start to feel like you're
- 4:36S2: in over your head a little bit. When it comes
- 4:38S2: to the math stuff. Parents, are you with me? Are
- 4:41S2: you still able to assist with math? Maybe if you're
- 4:44S2: in accounting or a math field, or if you're a teacher.
- 4:48S2: The rest of us. I'm convinced of it. No shot,
- 4:52S2: No shot without using ChatGPT.
- 4:55S3: I haven't. I didn't even take a math class in college.
- 4:58S3: I haven't taken a math class since. Really since senior
- 5:01S3: year of high school. I took a test to test
- 5:03S3: out of math classes in college. And then I was fine.
- 5:06S2: And they said, you're.
- 5:07S3: Said you're good. And you know what I got on
- 5:09S3: that test? Bare minimum, baby.
- 5:13S2: What's a remainder? Oh, boy. If you can do math,
- 5:20S2: hats off to you. Let me know. Maybe it's just me. Hey.
- 5:23S2: Good morning. This is Carlin crew.
- 5:25S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 5:28S2: Well, it doesn't take long. The school year starts, the
- 5:31S2: floors are still squeaky, the notebooks are still fresh, and
- 5:35S2: then the feeling of pressure hits. The homework starts to
- 5:39S2: pile up. The after school activities. The schedule starts to
- 5:43S2: feel very full, and before you know it, everybody in
- 5:46S2: the house parents, kids, maybe even pets. Everybody's feeling a
- 5:51S2: little bit stressed out. We want to say this doesn't
- 5:54S2: really matter as much as we are making it matter,
- 5:57S2: but it doesn't feel like it in the moment. Doctor
- 5:59S2: Kathy Cook I'm speaking from experience. This is a battle
- 6:03S2: that we have in our own household of. We want
- 6:05S2: to make sure that our kids are set up for success.
- 6:08S2: We want to have them in the activities that are
- 6:09S2: going to help them grow and flourish. The grades, all
- 6:13S2: of that stuff feels like there's a push earlier and earlier,
- 6:16S2: and this idea of having a high achieving kid, you
- 6:19S2: don't want to raise an average kid. At least that's
- 6:22S2: what they tell you. Kathy, speak to that a little bit.
- 6:25S2: Founder and CEO of Celebrate Kids, Inc. You're speaking to
- 6:29S2: many parents, even grandparents, aunts and uncles who want to
- 6:32S2: get it right. They want their kids to be successful,
- 6:34S2: but not at the expense of their joy, their sanity.
- 6:38S5: Right? Man, I love this. You know what? If I
- 6:40S5: actually suggested that average is really good? There's some new
- 6:44S5: evidence that average kids will pivot easier. Average kids can
- 6:50S5: be all things to all people, which would be Jesus,
- 6:53S5: if you will. They can adapt to the changing culture.
- 6:56S5: And what our listeners might not know is, according to
- 6:59S5: research by the really respected George Barna, many of today's
- 7:03S5: children will have seven careers, not seven jobs, but seven
- 7:07S5: different careers because they're so multitask, multi-talented and multi able,
- 7:12S5: multi concerned and multi skilled. And so although I know
- 7:15S5: that achievement matters, I think a generalist is a really
- 7:19S5: beautiful thing. A kid who's enjoying reading and writing and
- 7:23S5: science and math, a kid who can handle Spanish economics,
- 7:27S5: computers and writing an essay. So yes, achievement according to
- 7:33S5: that child's ability, not achievement that you want, but achievement
- 7:37S5: according to what that child's been created to be able
- 7:40S5: to accomplish.
- 7:41S2: So define what you mean by average in this sense
- 7:44S2: that an average kid sometimes turn out the best. Do
- 7:48S2: you mean that they're not pushing themselves? They're settling for
- 7:51S2: less than what they're fully capable of. They're staying at
- 7:54S2: the middle of the pack because they just don't care
- 7:57S2: that much. My guess is that's not what you mean,
- 7:59S2: but define it a little bit further for me.
- 8:01S5: That's really a good question. I appreciate the chance to
- 8:03S5: be clarifying here. I don't mean that. I don't mean lazy.
- 8:06S5: I don't mean easily satisfied. And they don't want to
- 8:09S5: do the bonus work. What I mean is a kid
- 8:12S5: who works hard, perseveres, is diligent, is teachable and humble,
- 8:16S5: takes direction well and earns a B, and the B
- 8:19S5: is there a, and if we don't celebrate the B,
- 8:21S5: it'll become a C. And so I would say the
- 8:23S5: parents and grandparents, you know, do you know your kids
- 8:25S5: well enough? Do you know the grandkids well enough to
- 8:28S5: know what is a realistic expectation? Because if kids feel
- 8:31S5: like our expectations for them are unrealistic and too high
- 8:35S5: and something they can't achieve, it won't go well. They'll
- 8:38S5: end up quitting because it's easier for them to quit
- 8:40S5: than it is to try hard and disappoint a parent.
- 8:43S2: You know, I think it's easy to look and see
- 8:45S2: where other parents are missing it. It's very easy to
- 8:49S2: see where, you know, I was at a sporting event
- 8:51S2: recently and I saw a mom absolutely unleash on her
- 8:55S2: daughter for how she had not performed well on the court.
- 8:59S2: And it was it was heartbreaking to watch. And so
- 9:02S2: it's easy to sit back and go, oh, man, that's
- 9:04S2: I never want to do that to my kid or
- 9:06S2: the parent who, you know, has to have the musical
- 9:09S2: prodigy or who can never have be less than number
- 9:12S2: one in their class. And so I think we can
- 9:14S2: look at the extremes. What's obviously pretty destructive and then
- 9:18S2: kind of give ourselves a pass. Like, I am a
- 9:21S2: good Christian parent. I would never I would never do that.
- 9:24S2: But there are subtle ways that I think as Christian parents,
- 9:27S2: we can put pressure on our kids. That's maybe not
- 9:30S2: as demonstrative, but can be no less destructive. What do
- 9:34S2: you say?
- 9:35S5: I think you're very wise to bring that up. Here's
- 9:38S5: something to avoid. When you empty the backpack, or you
- 9:41S5: empty the school folder and the kids are coming home,
- 9:43S5: you know, with their daily work or with a quiz
- 9:45S5: or a test score. Please don't say how did the
- 9:47S5: other kids do?
- 9:48S2: Oh.
- 9:49S5: Right. Because we all do it. First of all, let
- 9:51S5: me say to our listeners, we all do it, you know,
- 9:53S5: but we don't need to do it because now we've
- 9:55S5: put that kid, you know, in a comparison space. And
- 9:58S5: one of the dangers for today's children is that comparison
- 10:01S5: space that's been created by most likely social media, whether
- 10:05S5: they're on it or not, it's in the air we breathe.
- 10:07S5: If they've earned a 97 and you say, how do
- 10:10S5: the other kids do they know you're asking, did anybody
- 10:12S5: get 100? And now they're 97 isn't as good as
- 10:16S5: it could have been. Um, if they earn, you know,
- 10:18S5: an 85, you know, how do the other kids do?
- 10:20S5: Or another question that kids tell me is really hard
- 10:23S5: is when we say, did you do your best? Because
- 10:25S5: I don't know about you, but I don't know when
- 10:27S5: I've done my best. Like, I don't think that's an
- 10:29S5: easy question, certainly for a child or a teenager to answer.
- 10:33S5: So have you paid attention to how they've been studying?
- 10:35S5: Have they asked you for help? You know, do they
- 10:37S5: appear to be taking school seriously? And again, it's the beginning.
- 10:40S5: They're finding a rhythm. They're trying to figure out the
- 10:42S5: teacher's expectations and, you know, the teacher's content and how
- 10:45S5: the teacher grades, etc.. And so let's be supportive, you know,
- 10:49S5: and let's remember too, if I can say this, that
- 10:51S5: school isn't all about grades. School isn't all about the
- 10:55S5: academic excellence. There's the relationship component there. There's, you know,
- 10:58S5: emotional health. Are they handling things well? So let's make
- 11:02S5: sure we're also asking questions about those kinds of things.
- 11:04S2: You know, whether you have kids who are at home
- 11:06S2: and who are littles all the way up to having
- 11:09S2: young adults who are maybe in college or a trade
- 11:11S2: school or trying to launch into the world. One thing
- 11:14S2: that I think that is a source of maybe frustration
- 11:17S2: and confusion for many parents is that we, we can
- 11:20S2: say this next generation doesn't seem as motivated as the
- 11:25S2: previous generations. They don't seem like they want to go
- 11:28S2: out and work for it. And this is a broad brush.
- 11:31S2: But I would say even in with my own kids,
- 11:34S2: there are times when I'm like, I want you to
- 11:37S2: be more motivated in this area. I want you to
- 11:40S2: want this and not me. Have to come behind you
- 11:43S2: and say, did you do this or did you do this?
- 11:46S2: How do we inspire motivation in our kids without nagging them?
- 11:51S5: That's so good. Every parent is like, yes, you know,
- 11:53S5: bring it on. So this is really hard. But let
- 11:56S5: me say this. Everyone's motivated. I wrote a whole book
- 11:59S5: about this. Everyone's motivated. There's no such thing as a
- 12:02S5: non motivated kid. So it's not how do I get
- 12:05S5: my kid motivated? It's how do I redirect my kids
- 12:07S5: motivational energy? Like if you're motivated for apathy, you can
- 12:10S5: be very successful if you're right. I mean, and if
- 12:13S5: you're motivated to earn a C because, you know, if
- 12:17S5: I earn an A, mom and dad are going to
- 12:18S5: expect it all the time. This is what kids tell me.
- 12:20S5: If I earn an A, they're going to expect it
- 12:22S5: all the time. And that's a lot of pressure. And
- 12:24S5: I'm not sure I'm going to always want to work
- 12:25S5: that hard. So I'm going to go for, you know, A,
- 12:27S5: B or C, because it takes off a lot of pressure.
- 12:30S5: So they're motivated to, you know, keep you happy but
- 12:33S5: not put too much stress on themselves. So watch your
- 12:36S5: kids and talk to them, you know? What was your goal?
- 12:38S5: What were you hoping to accomplish? And if you believe
- 12:41S5: that they're capable of more, you got to prove it.
- 12:43S5: You know, you're the mom, so you have to say
- 12:44S5: you can do better. Or, you know, again, is this
- 12:47S5: your best? I don't recommend that question, but I know
- 12:49S5: where your heart is when you ask it. But I
- 12:51S5: think to say to the kids, hey, I noticed that
- 12:53S5: you only studied for 20 minutes and you're unhappy with
- 12:56S5: your grade, you know, let's ramp it up. Let's do
- 12:58S5: 25 minutes and see what happens. Or I wonder if
- 13:01S5: you would be wise to study with me or very
- 13:03S5: people smart if we talked it back and forth, got
- 13:06S5: it out of your head, into your head, out of
- 13:07S5: your head, into your head. Then maybe you would do better.
- 13:10S5: So I think for us to, to look carefully at
- 13:12S5: what's going on would be a really profitable thing.
- 13:15S2: Keeping on that kind of same theme of pressure. The
- 13:18S2: other subtle one, maybe the most dangerous, is sometimes we
- 13:21S2: can put spiritual pressure on our kids. We talk a
- 13:24S2: lot about, on this show about how many kids experience
- 13:27S2: kind of a performance Christianity, where there's they learn how
- 13:31S2: to do the youth group thing. They know that mom
- 13:34S2: wants them or dad wants them to. Maybe you should
- 13:37S2: lift your hands in worship like, uh, like so and
- 13:39S2: so does. It looks like they're going on Wednesday and
- 13:43S2: Friday nights. Maybe you should do that, too. And it
- 13:46S2: comes from a good place of wanting our kids to
- 13:48S2: grow and flourish spiritually. But it can feel like, again,
- 13:52S2: the pressure you have to perform. I need you to
- 13:54S2: do better. I need you to look better. And sometimes
- 13:57S2: in churches, it's so that I look like I'm doing
- 14:00S2: a good job as a parent.
- 14:02S5: Yes. Thank you for being very brave. I like being
- 14:05S5: on your show because you guys, you don't hold back.
- 14:07S5: It's exactly right. That's what kids tell us. So no,
- 14:10S5: it's about relationship. Do they love the Lord?
- 14:12S2: Mhm.
- 14:13S5: Do they know Jesus? Do they put him on display?
- 14:15S5: Are they pursuing Christ? I mean, it's not a competition.
- 14:19S5: You know, we all are different. You know, people who
- 14:21S5: know my smarts that I've talked about here on the show,
- 14:24S5: you know, if somebody has self smart, they're going to
- 14:26S5: be quieter in their relationship with Christ. They're not going
- 14:29S5: to proclaim it and declare it and need to interact
- 14:32S5: as often as somebody who's maybe more people smart, etc.
- 14:35S5: body smart children relate more physically in their relationship with Christ,
- 14:39S5: so they may more naturally raise their hands or kneel spontaneously,
- 14:43S5: or whatever the situation might be. But to know our
- 14:46S5: kids like, why do you love the Lord? How do
- 14:48S5: you love the Lord? You know, what have you learned
- 14:50S5: from him recently this week? How do you want to
- 14:52S5: serve him this week? If you could get grandma on
- 14:54S5: a FaceTime call, what would you tell her about what
- 14:57S5: you've learned recently with Christ? You know, to ask a kid,
- 15:00S5: have you prayed spontaneously? When did you do that? Like
- 15:03S5: to ask a kid at the end of the day, hey,
- 15:05S5: when did you pray? Today. And if they look at
- 15:06S5: you like they're, you know, I didn't pray they might
- 15:09S5: not have the guts to say it, but you can
- 15:11S5: tell by their eye contact, you know, then that's a
- 15:12S5: conversation to have. Did you not think that he could
- 15:15S5: have helped you in a situation? Was there nothing going
- 15:17S5: on today where you thought, man, I need Jesus? So
- 15:20S5: I think we got to ask better questions. And I
- 15:22S5: think again, you guys, you're not parenting anybody but your kid.
- 15:25S5: And now if you think that there's apathy, I would
- 15:28S5: also ask why, like if your kid is going to
- 15:30S5: youth group but is in the back row, isn't engaging,
- 15:33S5: has never volunteered, doesn't want to play the games. I
- 15:36S5: think to you call the youth pastor. You call the
- 15:38S5: life group leader if you will, and you say, hey,
- 15:40S5: you know, how is Jennifer showing up in church? Like
- 15:42S5: we're a little bit concerned about some apathy, disinterest. She
- 15:46S5: seems to be kind of not pursuing Christ. Have you
- 15:50S5: noticed that? And, and let them know that you you
- 15:52S5: want their help.
- 15:54S2: I love it, Kathy Cook, you have so many resources.
- 15:56S2: I want to point people to your website. You mentioned
- 15:59S2: the eight great smarts and also start with the heart.
- 16:03S2: Five to thrive. Just a couple. Just text kids to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
- 16:09S2: We'll get you connected with more from our guest doctor,
- 16:11S2: Kathy Cook. Just text kids to 805 557898.
- 16:16S1: You're listening to Curl and Crew on Moody Radio.
- 16:20S2: It's back to school week here on Carl and Crew,
- 16:22S2: our next professor up. I hope you're enjoying these conversations
- 16:25S2: where these Moody Bible Institute professors have given up some
- 16:28S2: of their day so that they can teach a little
- 16:30S2: bit of what they're teaching this semester to you, to me,
- 16:33S2: to our radio audience, doctor Jim Coakley with us. He
- 16:36S2: is a professor here at Moody Professor of Bible. He's
- 16:39S2: been awarded the Faculty Citation Award, which was awarded a
- 16:43S2: Founders Week 2025. Doctor Coakley, before we get to why
- 16:46S2: the first four books of the Bible are like a musical,
- 16:49S2: do you have any musical experience in your background?
- 16:52S6: Not at all. I detested music, I was more an
- 16:55S6: action guy, you know. And so yeah, music. My my
- 16:58S6: father was into it. He watched all those musicals, you know,
- 17:01S6: South Pacific, Oklahoma. But me, I could I wanted nothing
- 17:05S6: to do with that. I wanted to be outside. I
- 17:07S6: wanted to see action, you know? But music. No.
- 17:11S2: Fair enough. Okay. So you teach one of the classes
- 17:14S2: you're teaching is Old Testament survey. And as soon as
- 17:18S2: you start talking about Old Testament, a lot of people go, oh,
- 17:21S2: it's hard to understand. But before we even get to
- 17:24S2: start to break down the course, talk, give me this
- 17:27S2: musical analogy because this is fascinating to me.
- 17:30S6: Well, you know, I'm always looking for ways I can
- 17:32S6: communicate what the scriptures are all about. And so when
- 17:35S6: we think about the Old Testament, like you say, it's long,
- 17:37S6: it's 77% of our Bibles and we get kind of
- 17:40S6: bogged down in certain portions of it. So I'm looking
- 17:42S6: for ways to kind of communicate how we can stay
- 17:44S6: into the big picture. How can we make sure that
- 17:46S6: we understand it's not just isolated stories, but there's a storyline,
- 17:51S6: there's a melody line that's going through it again. Perfect
- 17:53S6: segue for music. And then seeing that there's injections of
- 17:57S6: music or lyrical or poetical elements in the storytelling. And
- 18:01S6: so just now, picking up on where those are included,
- 18:04S6: it's been fascinating to see that they actually help you
- 18:07S6: understand the big picture of what the Pentateuch is all about.
- 18:10S2: Okay. So take us through that, that arc of, of
- 18:13S2: how it builds. You said there's moments where they're breaking
- 18:16S2: into song, right?
- 18:18S6: Well, you even see it in the first chapter of Genesis.
- 18:20S6: You know, we have the whole creation story. And then
- 18:22S6: it gets down to, hey, in the image of God,
- 18:25S6: you know, man was made. And that's lyrical thing. So
- 18:27S6: there's a little poetic insert right there at the end.
- 18:30S6: And that's same in chapter two. Uh, Adam sings about
- 18:33S6: his wife, uh, and his woo hoo, you know, bone
- 18:36S6: of my bones, flesh, my flesh. And so we have
- 18:38S6: these stories narrative, and then we break into these lyrical components.
- 18:42S6: But it's not only happening on the small level, like
- 18:45S6: the chapter level, it happens on the book level. So
- 18:47S6: you come to the end of Genesis, and we have
- 18:49S6: the blessing that Jacob is giving to his 12 boys,
- 18:53S6: and that's lyrical. And then also you go to Exodus
- 18:55S6: and you have the song of the sea. After you
- 18:57S6: get them out, you have a little, you know, song.
- 19:00S6: Celebration of the event, uh, next year's chapter 15. We'll
- 19:03S6: skip over Leviticus for the moment, but then you get
- 19:06S6: to numbers and you have the wilderness wanderings, and then
- 19:08S6: you have the oracles of Balaam. And that's very lyrical.
- 19:12S6: And then you come to the end of Deuteronomy. Not
- 19:13S6: only do you have one song, you have two songs. Uh,
- 19:16S6: so there's Deuteronomy 3233 are both songs. And so you
- 19:20S6: notice that there's a narrative story. Then you have a
- 19:24S6: kind of a poetic content that's after that. Yeah. And
- 19:27S6: then this is a pattern that follows, but it's not just, again,
- 19:30S6: for aesthetics. There's purpose for it. And that's really what
- 19:33S6: I want to really dive into.
- 19:34S2: Okay. So let's talk about then the purpose of it,
- 19:37S2: of just the different, the story arc.
- 19:39S6: So if we look at the Pentateuch as a musical
- 19:42S6: and we see these patterns going on here, and we
- 19:45S6: look at the playbill. So what are the songs in
- 19:47S6: this musical? Well, you come to the end of Genesis
- 19:49S6: and it's the blessing that Jacob has. And one of
- 19:53S6: the things that I've noticed that was, I think it's
- 19:55S6: just coincidental compared to that one of the big musicals
- 19:58S6: I remember going when I went to London one time,
- 20:00S6: my wife and I went to go see The Lion
- 20:02S6: King musical. Oh, the London Theater District. Well, believe it
- 20:05S6: or not, the Bible has The Lion King musical because
- 20:09S6: in Genesis 49 we have the mention of lion. And
- 20:13S6: then also we have the mention of lion at the
- 20:16S6: end of Deuteronomy. And so this lion theme is really
- 20:20S6: embedded throughout these musicals. So they're using animal, the animal
- 20:23S6: imagery of lion. And then of course, you fast forward
- 20:26S6: even to the last book of the Bible. There's the,
- 20:28S6: you know, again, the lion of the tribe of Judah
- 20:30S6: and the song of Moses, the song of the Lamb.
- 20:33S6: And so there's musical components all the way through the Bible,
- 20:37S6: but they in the Pentateuch, and this is what is
- 20:40S6: really fun is to see they have a purpose. They're
- 20:43S6: looking forward. It's not just telling a history of the past.
- 20:46S6: It's also looking forward to a Messiah like figure. And
- 20:50S6: so all the major messianic prophecies in the Pentateuch are
- 20:54S6: in these musical elements. And so you start to see, oh,
- 20:57S6: it's Messiah the musical, it's Moses the musical. And you
- 21:01S6: see how it points to his person, to his work.
- 21:03S6: He's the royal figure. He's the king. But he is
- 21:07S6: also again coming again. And we need to be prepared
- 21:10S6: for this one. We're looking for one and that's the expectation.
- 21:14S6: Hope so. We're looking forward to what the the real
- 21:18S6: Lion King, the lion of the tribe of Judah is
- 21:20S6: going to be doing awesome.
- 21:22S2: Doctor Jim Coakley with us this morning. Okay. So you
- 21:24S2: skipped over Leviticus. Let's jump back to Leviticus because it
- 21:27S2: is a it's a challenging book to read.
- 21:29S6: It sure is. And like, sometimes I kind of joke
- 21:32S6: with students, what should I get out of Leviticus? Professor?
- 21:35S6: And I say, well, get out of Leviticus as soon
- 21:36S6: as you can, because it's where Bible reading plans typically
- 21:40S6: go to die. Uh, and so he's like, yeah, it's
- 21:43S6: not the easiest read, especially for us Western, you know,
- 21:46S6: moderns to have about animal sacrifices and parts of this
- 21:49S6: and this story and mildew and all these kind of things.
- 21:53S6: But again, if we go for the big picture and
- 21:55S6: we see, we notice that Genesis, Exodus, numbers, Deuteronomy all
- 21:59S6: have these musical components. But the middle book out of
- 22:02S6: the five, number three doesn't have this musical thing, but
- 22:07S6: it has something in the middle of it which is
- 22:09S6: very messianic as well. And that's Yom Kippur or Day
- 22:13S6: of Atonement. And in that it almost sounds like Handel's Messiah. Uh,
- 22:17S6: and so when you look at what it says, when
- 22:19S6: we think about what's going on with Leviticus, it's amazing that,
- 22:23S6: you know, his kingdom shall have no end. It's almost
- 22:25S6: like Handel's Messiah is playing through your mind as you're
- 22:28S6: reading through Leviticus 16. And so that middle portion is
- 22:32S6: really then talking about his work. The other ones really
- 22:35S6: talk more about the person of Messiah, but the fact
- 22:37S6: that he's going to provide atonement for us. And so
- 22:40S6: the whole scheme of the Pentateuch is really seen, beautifully
- 22:44S6: laid out. If you see it just like we do
- 22:46S6: a Broadway musical.
- 22:47S2: I love that. You know, I think one of the
- 22:49S2: things that people find challenging is that it's when you
- 22:52S2: are reading through the New Testament, obviously the story, the
- 22:56S2: narrative is can be easier to follow. Also, the application
- 23:00S2: seems like sometimes it's more direct. Like I can read
- 23:03S2: a passage of scripture and I can see a little
- 23:06S2: bit more clearly how this applies to me. And sometimes
- 23:09S2: that can be challenging in parts of the Old Testament.
- 23:12S2: And that's where I think you said where reading plans
- 23:14S2: go to die. Right. When we struggle to see how
- 23:17S2: does this apply to me? How does how do I, um,
- 23:20S2: make this relevant for my day to day life?
- 23:24S6: Right. Well, even here when we think about what is
- 23:26S6: our songs, what are our songs like? Are they forward
- 23:29S6: looking like the songs in the Pentateuch? Are they focused
- 23:33S6: on the Messiah? Are they are they focused on Jesus? Uh.
- 23:36S6: Do they again teach us more about the person and
- 23:38S6: work of who he is? You know, we have a
- 23:40S6: lot of choruses and things like that, but we we
- 23:42S6: got to get back to the more meaningful songs that
- 23:45S6: really point us upward and, and to the Messiah. And
- 23:49S6: so these are the things I think we need to
- 23:51S6: incorporate more music. I mean, you guys use music in
- 23:54S6: your program. You have segments and then music, and you're
- 23:57S6: hoping that the what the music fits the narrative. And
- 24:00S6: that's really what's beautiful about the Pentateuch as a musical
- 24:03S6: is that the the songs really then kind of put
- 24:06S6: together the peaks or the themes of what the narrative
- 24:09S6: is all about. It's forward looking to Jesus. And then
- 24:12S6: when you come to the Jesus on the road to Emmaus.
- 24:15S6: Everyone's always mystified by what he says. Beginning with Moses,
- 24:18S6: he opened the scriptures concerning himself. Well, now I know
- 24:22S6: a little bit of what that conversation might like. I
- 24:24S6: don't want to claim that I know, but I can
- 24:26S6: just say, hey, remember the songs in the Pentateuch? How
- 24:29S6: they all were looking forward to a Lion King like
- 24:32S6: figure looking forward. And you are to, you know, kind
- 24:35S6: of work in honor of that. You know, then I
- 24:38S6: can begin to see, oh, I can see how Jesus
- 24:41S6: is there just by even looking at the musical components
- 24:44S6: in the Pentateuch.
- 24:45S2: Doctor Jim Coakley with us this morning coming up. Let's
- 24:48S2: give you some takeaways. Maybe you have started and stopped
- 24:51S2: Bible reading plans. You've gotten stuck in some of these passages.
- 24:54S2: What are some practical ways that you can master master
- 24:59S2: that reading plan this year, not just for completion's sake,
- 25:01S2: but so that you are being transformed by the Word
- 25:04S2: of God? Yes, even the Old Testament. Coming up.
- 25:07S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then
- 25:10S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl
- 25:15S1: and crew on Moody Radio.
- 25:16S2: You're reading through the Old Testament. Maybe you're doing a
- 25:20S2: Bible reading plan. Look for the songs just like in
- 25:24S2: a musical. Doctor Jim Coakley, professor here at Moody Bible Institute.
- 25:27S2: I love this analogy of thinking through it like a
- 25:30S2: musical and looking for those songs, those that always point forward.
- 25:35S2: Just give us a quick sum up of where we've been.
- 25:37S2: I mean, that pointing forward, looking toward the Messiah. It's
- 25:40S2: not like Jesus is just in the New Testament, right?
- 25:43S6: Well, you look at these major songs, these little poetic,
- 25:46S6: like Playbill songs that are in the Pentateuch. They all
- 25:49S6: have the same kind of setup. Come, let's gather around,
- 25:52S6: listen to me. So this is something important. And so
- 25:54S6: paying attention to the music is really, really critical for
- 25:57S6: us as Bible readers where it occurs. Why is it
- 26:00S6: there and what theme is being foregrounded? But then also
- 26:04S6: it's forward looking. So it's what I call millennial. It's
- 26:06S6: looking forward to the future because we get kind of
- 26:09S6: lost in the day to day kind of things, and
- 26:12S6: we need hope for the future. And that's what these
- 26:14S6: songs are doing. But they're also focused on Messiah and Jesus.
- 26:18S6: And so we have this kind of, you know, hope
- 26:20S6: that we're looking at these kind of things, and then
- 26:22S6: they have certain things that also kind of unite them
- 26:25S6: as well. And that's the beauty, is that the Bible
- 26:26S6: is not fragmented stories. It's really one unity story. And
- 26:30S6: so we start with these lion themes in Genesis 49.
- 26:34S6: It's in numbers 22 to 24, and then also at
- 26:38S6: the end of Deuteronomy. So the Lion King theme is
- 26:41S6: really very, very clear. And then, you know, John picks
- 26:44S6: it up in the book of revelation. This is the
- 26:46S6: lion of the tribe of Judah. And so it's like,
- 26:48S6: where did John get that from? Well, he read the Pentateuch.
- 26:51S6: He read the musical. He watched that play, as it were,
- 26:54S6: and he saw it all play out. But then he
- 26:56S6: also says he's a lamb. I mean, look at that
- 26:58S6: lion and lamb, the contrast there. And so all these
- 27:02S6: things are there. And the songs that are there at
- 27:04S6: the end of the the revelation as well, we actually
- 27:07S6: are going to sing the song of Moses. And so
- 27:10S6: Moses is very much associated with music. And so I
- 27:13S6: want to speak to the guys out there because a
- 27:14S6: lot of guys are probably like me. I could care
- 27:16S6: less about musicals. You know, when I was watching Sound
- 27:19S6: of Music growing up, I am 16 going on 17.
- 27:23S2: Hey, don't be. Don't be coming for that movie. That's
- 27:25S2: my favorite.
- 27:26S6: You know, I'm going to go out of the room, make,
- 27:28S6: make a, get a snack or something. You know, I
- 27:30S6: want the action. But for us guys, especially, we sometimes
- 27:34S6: you don't appreciate lyric and poetry and music. I think
- 27:38S6: if we're going to really get more out of the Bible,
- 27:40S6: especially for us guys, we need to pay attention more
- 27:43S6: to the lyrical component of the scriptures.
- 27:45S2: So let's talk some of the practical takeaways, because our
- 27:49S2: goal in reading the Bible is not just to consume information.
- 27:53S2: It's not even just to understand it. I mean, the
- 27:55S2: Word of God is living and active, so we want
- 27:58S2: the Word of God to transform us. But many people
- 28:00S2: do get bogged down in the Old Testament. You mentioned
- 28:03S2: earlier 77% of the Bible. Yes. I mean, if you're
- 28:06S2: doing a Bible reading plan that starts on January 1st,
- 28:10S2: you don't get to the New Testament until October.
- 28:12S6: That's right. That's amazing. And I'm teaching Old Testament survey
- 28:16S6: for them to read it in the course of a
- 28:18S6: three four month semester. It's eight chapters a day.
- 28:21S2: Wow.
- 28:21S6: To read through the Old Testament. So that kind of
- 28:23S6: gives you a little bit of, okay, you got to keep,
- 28:25S6: you know, keep going through the content there. But it's
- 28:29S6: not just reading the content. And, you know, me, we've been,
- 28:31S6: you know, done a number of interviews over the years.
- 28:34S6: It's like, I'm not just there to read the data
- 28:36S6: to get the facts, the people, the places and events
- 28:38S6: that's there. It's historical. There's no doubt about it. But
- 28:41S6: I want to get to the why. And so where
- 28:44S6: we have how is the Scripture given to us? And
- 28:46S6: we see these structures, we see these inserts of narrative
- 28:50S6: and poetry and how they really help us to then
- 28:53S6: gather what the theme is, what the peaks are. And
- 28:55S6: so you go to Genesis one, you have the narrative
- 28:58S6: of creation, and then what's the peak? Well, we sing
- 29:00S6: about it. The fact that we are made in God's image.
- 29:03S6: You come to chapter two and it's all about relationships
- 29:05S6: and what's going to help man in this new environment.
- 29:08S6: And all of a sudden, lo and behold, he makes
- 29:10S6: woman for Adam and he sings about it. And so
- 29:12S6: marriage is the worthy of song. And so these things
- 29:16S6: are all the way through. And then chapter three, sadly,
- 29:19S6: we fall and we sing the blues. And then sadly,
- 29:22S6: we get to chapter four. We have the whole narrative
- 29:25S6: of Cain and Abel, violence and death. And it's like, ah,
- 29:28S6: this is this world has gone amuck. But then we
- 29:31S6: have Lamech and he's singing, but he's singing what I
- 29:34S6: call gangster rap. I have killed a man for wounded me,
- 29:37S6: a young man for hurting me. I could almost hear
- 29:38S6: him jumping up on the stage. And it's like, look
- 29:41S6: at what happens. We start with him. Then we go
- 29:44S6: to a love ballad, then we go to the blues
- 29:46S6: and then we're singing gangster rap and look at the
- 29:49S6: music and how it changes and look at why do
- 29:53S6: we go into gangster rap? Because of the fall. Sin
- 29:55S6: has so corrupted even music. And so we need to gather,
- 29:59S6: regather music around back to focus on the Messiah and
- 30:02S6: looking for his person in his work.
- 30:05S2: Doctor Jim Coakley. You want. Lastly, why do you love
- 30:08S2: teaching old testament survey? Because you. It's clear you light
- 30:11S2: up even as you try to describe it to us
- 30:13S2: and to your students.
- 30:15S6: Yeah. No, I mean, you know, when I went to seminary,
- 30:18S6: I focused on Old Testament and it's because, you know,
- 30:20S6: I could always feel like I could understand a New Testament. It's,
- 30:23S6: you know, Gospels and the epistles. It's pretty what I
- 30:25S6: call straight line communication. Old Testament was a huge mystery
- 30:29S6: box to me. So I said, I'm going to try
- 30:31S6: to unpack as much as I can. And I've just
- 30:33S6: had the privilege over the years of saying, hey, if
- 30:35S6: I struggled with it, how can I help others? Students,
- 30:39S6: people in the church, listeners of Moody Radio, how can
- 30:42S6: I help them get more out of their Bible? And so,
- 30:45S6: you know me, I'm a trainer, I'm a teacher. So
- 30:47S6: I'm always teaching people how to get more out of
- 30:49S6: the Bible. And that's really the background behind why I
- 30:52S6: wrote the book that I did is to get people
- 30:54S6: more engaged as they read the Bible.
- 30:56S2: If you want more from Doctor Jim Coakley, he's got
- 30:58S2: a great book. We didn't mention it, but it's worth
- 31:00S2: mentioning if you are wanting more out of your Bible.
- 31:03S2: 14 Fresh Ways to Enjoy the Bible. It's a Moody
- 31:06S2: Publishers title. Just text fresh to 805 557898, text fresh
- 31:12S2: to 805 557898. And our thanks to Doctor Jim Coakley,
- 31:17S2: along with so many great professors spending their time here
- 31:21S2: with us this morning. Text fresh to 805 557898.
- 31:26S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
- 31:30S1: and Crew.
- 31:31S2: When's the last time you changed your mind on something?
- 31:35S2: Maybe you had made a decision, and then when presented
- 31:39S2: with additional evidence or information, you made a different decision.
- 31:46S3: That's a good question.
- 31:48S2: You can change your mind on a lot of things. Jonathan,
- 31:49S2: you changed your mind on on food.
- 31:52S3: Yeah.
- 31:53S2: Because you're you were anti a lot of foods.
- 31:55S3: I grew up a very picky eater. And so it
- 31:57S3: took me a while to get, you know, through. I mean,
- 32:00S3: I remember so the level of picky here is pretty crazy.
- 32:04S3: I remember the first time, you know, you drive through
- 32:07S3: McDonald's as a kid and I didn't get chicken nuggets.
- 32:11S3: I had like a cheeseburger. And I thought I was
- 32:13S3: discovering something that no one knew. I was like, have
- 32:17S3: you guys ever had this.
- 32:19S2: Cheeseburger from McDonald's?
- 32:20S3: This is incredible. And it was because I was that picky. Like,
- 32:23S3: if it wasn't chicken nuggets, I wasn't gonna touch it. And,
- 32:27S3: and so obviously it got a little better over time
- 32:29S3: as I got older, but I was still picky. Even
- 32:31S3: when I met my now wife, uh, 11 years ago, uh,
- 32:35S3: we started dating and I went over to her house
- 32:39S3: and I did not want to get caught not eating food,
- 32:42S3: so I was just gonna eat it to be nice. Yeah.
- 32:45S3: And it was all normal food. Like, let's, let's be
- 32:48S3: clear here. It was all very normal food. And I
- 32:52S3: ate it and I was like, oh my goodness, I've
- 32:54S3: been missing out on this stuff for a long time.
- 32:56S3: I was like, this ain't half bad. And so I've
- 33:00S3: had a lot of those discoveries over the years.
- 33:02S2: You know, there's something I think there's something pretty powerful
- 33:04S2: that happens when you're when you change your mind on something.
- 33:07S2: I think it takes a level of humility.
- 33:10S3: Yeah, absolutely. You know, from the spiritual aspect of things. Uh,
- 33:15S3: you know, because my, my story is that I, I
- 33:19S3: thought I was saved, I wasn't saved, you guys know that. Uh,
- 33:22S3: I've shared it a lot, but I remember in, in
- 33:25S3: one of those times I wasn't saved my buddy who
- 33:28S3: also wasn't saved, uh, we were driving in the car
- 33:31S3: and he was talking with me about, man, I don't
- 33:34S3: really know if I know Jesus. And he was having
- 33:36S3: that conversation with me, but I wasn't saved yet. And
- 33:39S3: so I was like, man, do you believe that he
- 33:42S3: that he died on the, on the cross? He goes, well, yeah,
- 33:45S3: I believe that. And I was like, well, then you're
- 33:47S3: all fine. You ain't got nothing to worry about. And
- 33:49S3: I had no life change. No, you know, further talking
- 33:52S3: about it, I was like, you're good. Whatever. Just leave
- 33:54S3: it be. And then later, after I came to Faith.
- 33:58S3: And he did too. Uh, separately, uh, we met up
- 34:02S3: again and I was like, hey, I was like, I
- 34:04S3: know this was a while ago. And I was like,
- 34:05S3: I know we're both here now. And I was like,
- 34:06S3: but I'm really sorry. I was like, I had that
- 34:08S3: conversation with you. I was like, I did not tell
- 34:10S3: you the right stuff. And, and I was like, I
- 34:13S3: should have told you this. And I was like, and
- 34:15S3: I didn't. And so it was cool to be able
- 34:17S3: to come back and say, like, I did that wrong.
- 34:19S3: And I've changed my mind on this and I'm sorry
- 34:22S3: for giving you bad information.
- 34:24S2: Proud of you, young Thunder.
- 34:25S3: It was fun.
- 34:26S4: That's the way to go.
- 34:27S2: That does take some humility.
- 34:29S4: Because.
- 34:30S2: A lot of times we don't want to admit that
- 34:33S2: we were wrong about something.
- 34:34S3: Totally. It's hard. Hard to admit you were wrong about something.
- 34:38S2: You get into that argument where you're so convinced you're right,
- 34:40S2: and then you later go, oh, wait, maybe I didn't
- 34:45S2: have the full picture.
- 34:46S4: Yeah, everything's in a minute.
- 34:47S2: Back to school week. We've been looking at some of
- 34:49S2: the parables, and I want to take you to Matthew 21,
- 34:52S2: the parable of the two sons. Now, Jesus. The audience
- 34:55S2: here are the religious leaders, the chief priests, the elders
- 34:59S2: who have been challenging his authority, asking him basically, what
- 35:04S2: gives you the authority to come into the temple and
- 35:07S2: be flipping tables and teaching and healing people? Who do
- 35:11S2: you get that kind of authority with? So he has
- 35:14S2: kind of a back and forth exchange where he poses
- 35:16S2: a question to them, and then he tells them this parable.
- 35:21S2: What do you think? A man had two sons, and
- 35:24S2: he went to the first and said, son, go and
- 35:26S2: work in the vineyard today. And he answered, I will not.
- 35:31S2: But afterward he changed his mind and went. And he
- 35:34S2: went to the other son and said the same. And
- 35:37S2: he answered, I will, sir, but did not go. Which
- 35:41S2: of the two did the will of the father? They
- 35:44S2: said the first. Jesus said to them, truly I say
- 35:48S2: to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into
- 35:51S2: the kingdom of God before you. For John came to
- 35:54S2: you in the way of righteousness, and you did not
- 35:56S2: believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him.
- 36:00S2: And even when you saw it, you did not afterward
- 36:04S2: change your minds and believe. So the parable we have
- 36:09S2: a vineyard owner, landowner. We have two sons. The first son,
- 36:15S2: when told to go work in the vineyard, says, I
- 36:18S2: will not. But then later goes out and does. It
- 36:23S2: later obeys.
- 36:24S4: Exactly.
- 36:24S2: And then we have the second son who says, I'll go, yes, sir,
- 36:30S2: but doesn't actually get up and do anything. So this
- 36:34S2: parable I had found kind of puzzling because it was like,
- 36:38S2: what is what do you mean? Which one did the
- 36:39S2: will of the father? I mean, did either one of.
- 36:42S3: Them, they both kind of not listened for a time.
- 36:44S4: Because.
- 36:45S2: The first one who said, I won't then obeyed. I mean,
- 36:48S2: delayed obedience is disobedience, right?
- 36:50S4: Sure.
- 36:51S2: Right. We've heard that one. And then for sure, the
- 36:53S2: second son who said I will go but did not. Well,
- 36:57S2: any parent who's ever been told by a child, yes,
- 37:00S2: I'm going to clean this room. Doesn't get points for
- 37:04S2: saying I'll clean the room, but then not actually cleaning
- 37:07S2: the room.
- 37:08S3: Exactly.
- 37:09S2: Did their profession of. I will do it matter if
- 37:12S2: the room remains a mess?
- 37:15S3: Not so much.
- 37:16S2: So what's Jesus trying to get at here? I'll break
- 37:20S2: it down. Coming up.
- 37:21S1: Whether it's in the pool or on the stage, she's
- 37:25S1: making a splash. Super di is in the crew. You're
- 37:29S1: listening to Carl and crew.
- 37:32S2: Jesus tells this parable the parable of the two sons,
- 37:35S2: two chief priests, elders, religious leaders who were challenging his authority,
- 37:41S2: asking him, who gives you the right to come in
- 37:45S2: and turn tables in the temple and to heal people
- 37:48S2: and to teach. It's clear that they are not positioned
- 37:55S2: to try to receive from him. Right?
- 37:58S3: Totally.
- 37:59S4: Not at all.
- 38:00S2: They want to try to expose him in some way.
- 38:03S2: And so that's the audience of this parable. So he
- 38:07S2: tells them about a man with two sons. And the
- 38:12S2: man tells both of his sons to go and work
- 38:14S2: in the vineyard. The first son says, no, I'm not
- 38:20S2: going to do it. But then later goes out and
- 38:22S2: works in the vineyard. The second son says, yeah, I'll
- 38:26S2: do it, and then doesn't actually go. And then after
- 38:30S2: he tells them this parable, he asks them to interpret it.
- 38:34S2: He says, which of the two did the will of
- 38:36S2: his father? And they say the first. Which is the
- 38:44S2: correct answer?
- 38:45S3: Sure. Yeah.
- 38:46S2: The one who actually did what the father said to do.
- 38:52S2: Despite their initial reply of no. Yeah. And so they
- 38:56S2: don't realize that in answering correctly, that the first son
- 39:01S2: is the one who did the will of the father,
- 39:02S2: that they are implicating themselves. Here's why. The moody Bible
- 39:08S2: commentary was really helpful in bringing some understanding here, because
- 39:11S2: this one is was a bit of a puzzle for me.
- 39:14S2: The first son, the one who said I will not,
- 39:18S2: but then obeyed. That son represents the tax collectors, the prostitutes,
- 39:23S2: the other obvious sinners, the one that Jesus tells them
- 39:26S2: are going to enter the kingdom of heaven before the
- 39:28S2: religious leaders. Why? Well, because that initial I will not
- 39:35S2: represents the fact that these were people who were undoubtedly
- 39:39S2: living a sinful lifestyle contrary to the will of God.
- 39:45S2: But when John comes preaching a baptism of repentance, preparing
- 39:49S2: the way for Jesus, they turn. They believe. Unlike the
- 39:57S2: religious leaders represented by the second son in this parable,
- 40:01S2: these were the ones who claimed to know the way
- 40:04S2: to obey and follow God's word. But when John comes,
- 40:10S2: the one who was sent by God, by the way,
- 40:13S2: they reject him. They profess obedience and then reject the
- 40:18S2: very one declaring the message of Jesus, their. The son
- 40:24S2: who says, I'll go. But doesn't actually follow through. So
- 40:29S2: the first son is the one who ultimately does the
- 40:32S2: will of the father. These are the people who, when
- 40:36S2: confronted with their sin when presented with Jesus, they had
- 40:41S2: a change of heart.
- 40:42S3: It changed their mind.
- 40:43S2: They changed their mind. The religious leaders did not. They
- 40:48S2: did not change their mind. They rejected John. And even
- 40:54S2: when they saw the tax collectors and the prostitutes believe.
- 40:59S2: They didn't change their minds. No. This is fascinating to
- 41:04S2: me because I think about what it takes back to
- 41:06S2: where we started, the humility that it takes to change
- 41:09S2: your mind on something.
- 41:11S3: It's hard. It's hard to change your mind and admit
- 41:14S3: sometimes when you're wrong, especially when you're so vocal about
- 41:18S3: being right. You know, for the Pharisees, let's just continue
- 41:22S3: to use them as the example here. They were very
- 41:25S3: vocal about how their way was the right way of
- 41:29S3: doing things. And I'm sure it would have been very
- 41:33S3: difficult for them to admit that they were wrong, even
- 41:36S3: if they felt like they.
- 41:38S2: Felt like they did. And the John coming was not
- 41:43S2: what was expected.
- 41:44S4: No.
- 41:45S2: I mean the prophecy about the coming Messiah. It it
- 41:49S2: none of it happened, although it all fulfilled prophecy.
- 41:52S3: Yeah, it does blow my mind. Something different. It does
- 41:54S3: blow my mind a little bit about how clear Old
- 41:57S3: Testament prophecy is, about what is going to come and
- 42:00S3: how misunderstood it was. And, and John's a part of that.
- 42:05S3: And Jesus is a part of that, obviously. And they
- 42:08S3: saw it and they were like, no, we don't want that.
- 42:10S3: That's not what we were expecting. And that's not what
- 42:13S3: I want to follow.
- 42:14S2: In rejecting John's message. They're rejecting Jesus.
- 42:17S3: Absolutely.
- 42:19S2: Verse 32, For John came to you in the way
- 42:22S2: of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the
- 42:24S2: tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when
- 42:28S2: you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds
- 42:31S2: and believe him. This is an indictment on them 100%.
- 42:35S2: So while they're questioning his authority, who gives you the
- 42:38S2: right to do this or that. He's exposing their hearts.
- 42:43S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stand for anything you
- 42:46S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
- 42:50S1: curl and crew on Moody radio.
- 42:53S2: Thank you, young Thunder. You know what time it is.
- 42:57S1: Making herself laugh no matter who joins her, it's time for.
- 43:01S1: Allie thinks it's funny.
- 43:04S2: Hey, pet owners. Today's jokes are just for you, particularly
- 43:09S2: if you are a dog owner, dog owner, young thunder
- 43:13S2: dog owner, dog owner.
- 43:15S4: No, not right now. Right now.
- 43:17S2: But you have had dogs.
- 43:18S4: Always have dogs.
- 43:19S2: That you have loved over the years. Okay, so what
- 43:23S2: do you call a dog who sneezes all the time? Oh,
- 43:28S2: allergy dog just constantly sneezing.
- 43:32S7: MM.
- 43:32S4: Don't know.
- 43:34S2: Ah choo wah wah.
- 43:37S4: AWA.
- 43:39S3: Ooh. Okay. It kind of hurts your bones a little
- 43:43S3: bit when you hear it.
- 43:47S2: Hurts your bones.
- 43:48S3: Hurts your bones just a little bit.
- 43:49S2: Okay. Next up next up for the dog jokes stat. Man,
- 43:53S2: you will love this one. Did you know that dogs
- 43:56S2: can bark up to 500 times a day?
- 43:59S3: That's a lot of barking. I believe it from my dog.
- 44:02S2: Yeah, up to 500 times per day for the average dog.
- 44:06S2: But that's just a rough estimate.
- 44:10S8: Who let the dogs out? Who let the dogs out?
- 44:17S9: I'll give you some points for the music.
- 44:19S2: Thank you.
- 44:20S3: That was good. I like I like the second one.
- 44:22S3: You ended strong.
- 44:23S2: Play the music. When you tell the joke, it helps
- 44:26S2: every time.
- 44:26S4: A little.
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