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Chuck’s Commentary - Americans Have Become Numb To Trump’s Horrific Behavior + Trump Has Mainstreamed “Mobster Politics” · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of the Chuck Podcast. I've got
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  Speaker 1: a fascinating interview today with somebody who's been in politics
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  Speaker 1: a long time. And for some of you who be
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  Speaker 1: a familiar name and others you might say, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't heard from him in a while.
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  Speaker 2: It's Jack dan Forth.
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  Speaker 1: He was a long time I'm senator from the state
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  Speaker 1: of Missouri, very much a sort of kind of would
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  Speaker 1: I would have referred to him as almost like Bob Dole,
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  Speaker 1: not quite mister Republican, but close. And in fact, he
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  Speaker 1: runs a project now that essentially about trying to recapture
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  Speaker 1: the Republican Party, away from away from Donald Trump, away
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  Speaker 1: from the Mega movement, but in particular the reason he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to have a conversation with me. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: you'll hear when I tell you he's eighty nine years old.
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  Speaker 1: You most of you will be surprised. And I think
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  Speaker 1: all of you will hope that you are is nimble,
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  Speaker 1: and is and is smart, and is coherent and is
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  Speaker 1: you know, on top of things, as Senator dan Forth
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  Speaker 1: is in our conversation, it is you'd forget that it's
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  Speaker 1: been nearly thirty years since he's been in the Senate.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel that when you have that conversation with him.
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  Speaker 1: But those that know Jack dan Forth, well, he's always
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  Speaker 1: been on this. He's, like I said, a very much
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  Speaker 1: a you know, when George W. Bush used the phrase
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  Speaker 1: compassionate conservative, I think that's exactly what Jack dan Forth
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  Speaker 1: would have described his type of conservatism. He's an episcopal
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  Speaker 1: he was an ordained episcopal priest, so his faith is
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  Speaker 1: very important to him and he's believed that faith in
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  Speaker 1: general can be a unifier. But he's deeply troubled by
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  Speaker 1: the lack of empathy in this version of the Republican Party.
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  Speaker 1: He's also troubled by the loss of the definition of conservative.
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  Speaker 1: It struck me in many ways, like versions of conversations
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  Speaker 1: I've had with George Will over the last couple of
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  Speaker 1: years since the Trump era of court. George will famously
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  Speaker 1: left the Republican Party and said it's no longer a
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  Speaker 1: conservative party. So he left and registered reregistered as an independent.
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  Speaker 1: But the biggest thing that disturbs him is the character
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  Speaker 1: and decency aspect of the Trump movement. And it actually
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  Speaker 1: I did the interview a couple of days ago before
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  Speaker 1: the President made it is just heinous remarks about Somalian
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  Speaker 1: immigrants at that cabinet meeting earlier this week, and it
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  Speaker 1: was one of those moments and where you know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: we're all exhausted from outrage, right, and there's this collective
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  Speaker 1: you feel it in sort of the legacy press corps. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you Mayan, You're like, oh God, really,
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  Speaker 1: here he goes again.
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  Speaker 2: And my immediate reaction was.
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  Speaker 1: Public's not going to care. They're going to shrug their shoulders.
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  Speaker 1: But then I sat there and said, no, I think
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  Speaker 1: the public does care. They just don't know how to
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  Speaker 1: express it.
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  Speaker 2: Anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Right, We don't know, we don't quite know how to.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the inability to shame people in the Trump
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  Speaker 1: era has taken away I think the public's best tool
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  Speaker 1: to keep politicians from totally misbehaving.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a big part of this.
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  Speaker 1: But you'll hear this in the conversation with Jack Danforth
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  Speaker 1: and we'll get to it. I've got a few other
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  Speaker 1: things on there. But to me, it really dovetails well
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  Speaker 1: with this conversation with what the president's behavior because he
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  Speaker 1: asked this question and he really believes if you took
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  Speaker 1: it to the voters. I'm a little more skeptical about this,
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  Speaker 1: but he believes if you basically say, is this who
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  Speaker 1: we are? Is this who you want to be? Essentially
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  Speaker 1: holding up examples of Donald Trump attacking people, calling reporters piggy,
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  Speaker 1: particularly the harsh words he uses for any woman that
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  Speaker 1: pushes back on him, what he says about anybody who's
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  Speaker 1: not white, who's an immigrant in this country, the dehumanizing
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  Speaker 1: and demeaning way, I mean, using the word garbage. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is what inspires hate attacks on members
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  Speaker 1: of various immigrant communities. Is when you have somebody with
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  Speaker 1: a platform that Donald Trump has referring to the referring
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  Speaker 1: to people in this dehumanizing way. And you know, this
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  Speaker 1: is where I share in some ways Danforth's optimism in
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  Speaker 1: that I don't believe a majority of Americans want or
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  Speaker 1: accept behavior that the President showed this week. Now we've
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  Speaker 1: had this conversations before. He has, you know, demeaned people
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  Speaker 1: with disabilities. He has mocked you know, where does it end. Right,
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  Speaker 1: He mocked John McCain for being a prisoner of war
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  Speaker 1: during Vietnam. His his he's called soldiers suckers and losers,
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  Speaker 1: those that died in battle and combat because, as he
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  Speaker 1: essentially is making clear, he wouldn't have allowed himself to
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  Speaker 1: be stuck having to fight in the military and be drafted.
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  Speaker 1: Pick whichever foot you want to pick to find out
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  Speaker 1: whether he can whether he was eligible or not for
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  Speaker 1: the draft, or whether his deferment was honest. But he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't alone on that, and so that's why it hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been a penalty. But this is why I'm a I
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  Speaker 1: used the phrase Trump fatigue, and that I think Trump
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  Speaker 1: fatigue is.
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  Speaker 2: A much more.
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  Speaker 1: Is a much bigger accelerant to what I think is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a tough election in a tough political
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  Speaker 1: environment for Republicans in twenty six that there's just an
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  Speaker 1: exhaustion from Trump's antics and the more and in some
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  Speaker 1: ways right, we're on reruns, but we're on like crappy
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  Speaker 1: ring runs. You're like, I don't want to watch this
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  Speaker 1: show again. I don't want to see another version of
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  Speaker 1: this again. You know, I'll confess it makes me even angrier.
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  Speaker 1: It's sort of how poor Biden led this country. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I do. I hope that a better leader would have
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  Speaker 1: would have helped the country move on from Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 1: but we didn't have that, and we are where we are.
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  Speaker 1: But there are moments like this week where you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I can't I can't believe we went back to this
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  Speaker 1: because I don't think individually anybody that that a large man.
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  Speaker 1: And perhaps you know this is this has been a
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  Speaker 1: question that I've had uncomfortable conversations with people I trust.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps some of you out there have had similar that
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've used the phrase others, We're not this way,
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  Speaker 1: this is not who we are. What if it is right?
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  Speaker 1: What if we're in the minority, What if the deed,
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  Speaker 1: what if there is such a belief and I and
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  Speaker 1: I do. I've had conversations with people who I think
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  Speaker 1: are high character people who shrug their shoulders at Trump's behavior,
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  Speaker 1: and they shrugged their shoulders for a variety of reasons.
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  Speaker 1: One is they believe, Hey, politics is a tough business.
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  Speaker 1: You kind of need an asshole in there. I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of you no voters like that, who are
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  Speaker 1: so cynical about how politics works, so cynical about Washington,
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  Speaker 1: and I understand it. But what I try to remind
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  Speaker 1: people is that the cynicism that is driving the Trump
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  Speaker 1: movement about Washington is a perception that while there are
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  Speaker 1: nuggets of reality, for the most part, this isn't what
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  Speaker 1: it is. But eventually perception does but become reality because
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  Speaker 1: we have seen in the Trump era, Donald Trump has
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  Speaker 1: mainstream kleptocracy.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that Washington is for sale is not controversial.
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  Speaker 1: It's just how you do business. Every fortune five hundred
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  Speaker 1: company in America knows that if they want favorable treatment
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  Speaker 1: from government regulators, there's an easy way to do this.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to go to Congress, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to go to the agency. You go to Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: and you simply say what can you do about this?
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, we'd love to become a tributor
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  Speaker 1: to pick whatever slush fund he's got going on. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's a public sector slush fund like the East Wing
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  Speaker 1: building or his inaugural fund, or maybe it's his library
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it is. And you know, I say, I
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  Speaker 1: don't say this to just throw it out there.
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  Speaker 2: This is a fact.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you. This is currently how the influence
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  Speaker 1: game in Washington is working. It is so efficient right
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  Speaker 1: now because there is there's no complicating factor. Everybody knows
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  Speaker 1: if you're right, a big enough check and you get
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  Speaker 1: in front of him, you can get whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: Right Look at the pardon situation. I mean, he just
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  Speaker 1: pardoned this pardon of the former president of Honduras who
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  Speaker 1: was a massive cocaine trafficker. I mean, this is one
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  Speaker 1: of those where and if you've noticed, nobody is defending
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  Speaker 1: this publicly, and quite a few Republicans are expressing discomfort
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  Speaker 1: with this one and are going ahead when caught by
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  Speaker 1: reporters with sticking the microphone in their face. Aren't willing
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  Speaker 1: to just ignore this one, aren't willing to just say well,
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  Speaker 1: Trump's Trump are actually going this now? This certainly sends
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  Speaker 1: a mixed message, given supposedly the focus of what we're
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  Speaker 1: up to with Maduro and in Venezuela. But the fact
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  Speaker 1: of the matter is the former president of Honduras had
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  Speaker 1: figured out the game, so he hires roger Stone, pays him,
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  Speaker 1: and roger Stone gets in front of the president and
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  Speaker 1: a base probably calls in a favor or two. You know,
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  Speaker 1: who knows how much the price was right. We don't
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  Speaker 1: have any transparency on that. We have transparency on the
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  Speaker 1: pardon itself. We have transparency on the on the request
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  Speaker 1: for the pardon from from the former president himself, but
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  Speaker 1: we don't know how much he paid. Essentially an influencer,
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  Speaker 1: which roger Stone essentially is a I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: if he would have to register to lobby I might argue,
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  Speaker 1: did he violate I'm curious if if this is since
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  Speaker 1: he's representing a foreigner in this pardon request, whether he
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  Speaker 1: filled out the proper paperwork, which many a lobbyist has
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  Speaker 1: failed to do, which actually is a crime if you
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  Speaker 1: didn't register as a foreign agent. Whether somebody would have
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  Speaker 1: to register as a foreign agent in order to represent
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  Speaker 1: that given I think that at a minimum, given that
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  Speaker 1: Roger Stone back in the days of black Manift and Stone,
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  Speaker 1: since they kind of invented, or certainly they didn't invent
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  Speaker 1: the influence game, but they certainly expanded the reach of
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  Speaker 1: the influence game when they had when they first came
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  Speaker 1: to prominence in the eighties during the Reagan era.
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  Speaker 2: He knows the rules.
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  Speaker 1: So my guess is if on this front he likely
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  Speaker 1: followed them, filled out the correct paperwork because he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: care if he's fingered as a foreign lobbyist. He's not
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  Speaker 1: running for office or he's not going to be up
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  Speaker 1: for any Senate confirmed position. But the point is is
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  Speaker 1: that we it is it is we all know how
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  Speaker 1: this works, and it is it is that sort of
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  Speaker 1: craven on that front, and you know at what point?
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  Speaker 1: And I do think that there is this This is
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  Speaker 1: where I believe the exhaustion comes in in that when
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  Speaker 1: you talk to people individually, many of who may be
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  Speaker 1: Trump supporters, and you ask ask them if this is
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  Speaker 1: something that they would want to support in a politician,
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  Speaker 1: they'd all say no. And then when you ask them
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  Speaker 1: why do they tolerate it in Trump? It is they
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  Speaker 1: will come back to this perception that somehow will politics
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  Speaker 1: is a dirty business, and you kind of need a
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  Speaker 1: dirty representative sometimes in order to accomplish this. The problem is,
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  Speaker 1: this is exactly what Donald Trump wants people to think,
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  Speaker 1: and he's trying. I mean, and this to me is
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  Speaker 1: the explanation of how did Henry quay Are, a Democratic
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  Speaker 1: Member of Congress from South Texas, end up getting a
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  Speaker 1: pardon from Donald Trump. You know, there are certain crimes
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  Speaker 1: that the Justice Department prosecutes that Donald Trump doesn't think
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  Speaker 1: should be criminal, you know, whether it's you know, being influenced.
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  Speaker 1: He essentially pardons anybody who commits a crime that he
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  Speaker 1: is committing. So I guess you could say is at
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  Speaker 1: least he's being generous with that, right, Henry Quaart took
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  Speaker 1: money out of being to be influenced. Well, Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: is taking money all over the place and being influenced
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  Speaker 1: to sign pardons, to agree to grease the wheels on regulation,
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  Speaker 1: to look the other way on a merger and acquisition.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look look at the game they're playing with
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  Speaker 1: the with Warner Brothers right now. I'm following this pretty closely.
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  Speaker 1: This is a former employer with Comcasts trying to get
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  Speaker 1: their hands on Warner Brothers. Netflix, and then of course
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  Speaker 1: there's you know, what's the future of CNN since that's
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  Speaker 1: part of the Warner Brothers.
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  Speaker 2: Organization.
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  Speaker 1: Is the Ellison family going to become essentially the new
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  Speaker 1: m and they're going to consolidate and try to control
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  Speaker 1: as much of the news ecosystem as they can with
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  Speaker 1: CNN and CBS. In any normal administration, there's no way
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  Speaker 1: any of these mergers could happen. Netflix wouldn't get regulatory approval,
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  Speaker 1: Comcasts wouldn't get regulatory.
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  Speaker 2: Approval, neither would Warner Brothers.
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  Speaker 1: Already we're seeing that the administration is raising eyebrows about Netflix,
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  Speaker 1: raising eyebrows about Comcast because of the President not liking
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  Speaker 1: Brian Robertson still mad over all things NBC, MSNBC. Trust
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  Speaker 1: me on this one. His obsession over Comcast is all
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  Speaker 1: about his failure as host of The Apprentice. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: what this is about. His leftover anger at NBC is that.
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  Speaker 2: Trust me.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard it a.
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  Speaker 2: Million times from him.
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  Speaker 1: He believed that show was much more successful than it
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  Speaker 1: actually was because he used to say things, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Apprentice pays your salary, and it's like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think so, brother, but you keep telling yourself that, so
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  Speaker 1: there's this weird sort of he's so angry at NBC
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  Speaker 1: that he's just going to punish comcasts. Right, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: really less about NBC News and MSNBC. It really is
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  Speaker 1: all about the Apprentice. It's also his anger with Jeff Zucker, Right,
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  Speaker 1: It's weirdly it all comes back to it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: You've got to remember, ultimately, if he's got a grievance,
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  Speaker 1: it's usually something personal and in this case, uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's about the apprentice because obviously the Apprentice has
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  Speaker 1: become part of his identity.
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  Speaker 2: But when you're.
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  Speaker 1: Watching this, the government's plain favorites. They're basically saying, look,
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  Speaker 1: there won't be any regulatory you know, shouting basically at
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  Speaker 1: Warner Brothers shareholders and the board of directors. Listen, if
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  Speaker 1: you take the Ellison deal, won't be a problem at all.
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  Speaker 1: You decide you wanna you wanna greenlight a acquisition by
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  Speaker 1: Netflix or Comcast, well you know there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of regulatory interest in looking at this deal.
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  Speaker 1: This may take a year, maybe it takes two years.
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  Speaker 2: How long.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the value suddenly goes down and and and this
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  Speaker 1: doesn't happen and et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you know, we'll.
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  Speaker 1: See if if the private sector can kentuck business based
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  Speaker 1: on the private sector without government interference. But it seems
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump wants to decide who gets to own
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  Speaker 1: Warner Brothers in CNN, and so here we are. This
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  Speaker 1: is what's really striking to me is how normal this
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  Speaker 1: is all being portrayed, that this is just Trump's Washington.
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  Speaker 2: This is how it works.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the pardon of Henry Quayart, you know where
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  Speaker 1: nobody's even blinking at this point about him once again
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  Speaker 1: likely selling a parton I mean, now let's see what
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  Speaker 1: what what was the price for Henry Quaar? Is it
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  Speaker 1: a party switch?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Do we see that in the next Is it a
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  Speaker 1: promise to party switch if they need that vote to
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  Speaker 1: control the House of Representatives?
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  Speaker 2: Who knows?
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  Speaker 1: Right, But let's just say Donald Trump has leverage over
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  Speaker 1: Henry Kluar. Now I question obviously, you know Quaar was
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  Speaker 1: in a was was vulnerable to a deal like this,
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  Speaker 1: and and this is what Trump does. This is just
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  Speaker 1: like the mafia, right it is.
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  Speaker 2: You know it's a kid.
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  Speaker 1: I used to tell a version of this story, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so a criminal, criminal organization comes into a shopping district
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  Speaker 1: and says, hey, good news, we've got some we're we're
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're going to be able to provide security
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  Speaker 1: for you now. And you, as the shopkeeper, say, well,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't ask for any new security. Oh
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  Speaker 1: so you don't want any security for your shop?
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  Speaker 2: Well, anyway, if you.
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  Speaker 1: Do want security, this is what it's going to cause.
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  Speaker 1: And then the next morning the shopkeeper comes back and
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  Speaker 1: believe you're innocent, maybe you did commit a crime, but
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  Speaker 1: you certainly have this hanging over your head. There comes
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, he doesn't do these things or zero. So
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  Speaker 1: I think we're all just wondering what is you know,
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  Speaker 1: what is it that Henry Kuayar has either agreed to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: or perhaps Donald Trump hasn't called in his favor yet.
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  Speaker 1: But the point is is that this is this is
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  Speaker 1: now everyday business. And this is kind of the point.
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  Speaker 1: It goes back to, wy are we so numb when
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the president of the United States attacks fellow human beings
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  Speaker 1: and calls them garbage? Why are we so numb when
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  Speaker 1: one of the largest cocaine traffickers in the history of
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  Speaker 1: this country is set free due to a presidential pardon?
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  Speaker 1: Why are we so numb when a foreign country hands
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  Speaker 1: a nearly billion dollar plane personal gift to the president
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  Speaker 1: and in return gets a NATO like security agreement for
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: a country that is not necessarily worked in America's best interest.
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  Speaker 1: When it comes to Afghanistan or Israel or other parts
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: in the Middle East, we're just shrugging our shoulders and
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I look at the pardon situation. So again to sort
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: of circle it back to why I do think while
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the individual items here don't cause the political feeding frenzy
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and don't create this sort of moment of pressure, and
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I'll get to why I think that isn't happening for
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. I do think now that with
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: this crummy economy, sort of exhaustion from ten years of this,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: that this stuff doesn't play well the way he thinks
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: it plays well. And so you have a base of
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: his party that's sort of tired of the same old
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: antics and exhausted from having to somehow rationalize their support
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: for him when he couldn't be a more low life
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: character morally or ethically right. If any other politician behave
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: this way, particularly if they had a D next to
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: their name, all of these Republicans that are looking the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: other way on Donald Trump would be filing articles of impeachment.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: The only upside out of this pardon business is that
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I do think we're going to reform. There's I think
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: in the next ten years there's going to be a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: constitutional amendment that puts some guardrails around presidential pardons, perhaps
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: creates a pardon board where the president is not the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: final say, but is part of a group that has
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a final say. But what is happening now is just
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: totally delegitimizing the Justice Department as a whole. I mean,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: this guy, and you know it was funny. Is the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: new the US attorney in charge of the of the
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Sovereign District of New York, the Southern District of New York, right,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: perhaps the most important district within the Justice Department, arguably
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: its own many Justice Department.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: That's who prosecuted.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: This, this former hundorn president. And oh, by the way,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the prosecution actually happened during the Trumpet first Trump administration.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: He was finally extraduided in the United States, and the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: sentencing took place during the Biden era. So there's not
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: even this way makes this even more of a head scratcher. Right,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: This was an investigation and a prosecution that in theory
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: started and took place during Trump's first term, was completed
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: during Biden's term. And now Trump obviously has decided, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he will decide who gets punished, and he will decide
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: who gets set free. This is the stuff that I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: think is the is the extra anchor that is going
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: to drag Republicans down because it's it works two ways.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: It demoralizes sort of Trump supporters that are like, you know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you know, my kids keep asking me, you know why
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I vote for him? How do I defend you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: him attacking fellow human beings and calling them garbage and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: all of this corruption with the pardons and oh, by
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the way, the economy sucks.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: That's why I think this is this is real weight
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: this time, and that this isn't something that's going to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: go away. But there is another reason why this stuff
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: isn't sticking in the immediate and that is the fragmentation
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: of the US media. I mean, take the take the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: current situation at the Pentagon. So HAIG SATs successfully essentially
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: got rid of the professional journalists from covering the Pentagon
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: because they you know, forced some you know, frankly, something
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: that was against the First Amendment. I don't think was
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: constitutional what they did. I you know, I got to
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: think there's going to be a a I think having
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to sign that sign that is unconstitutional, and I got
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: to think there's going to be a lawsuit that has
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: some success on this. I'm not active in the first
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Amendment legal community. Because I'm not a lawyer, but if
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I were, that certainly would be something I'd be advocating
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and would be working on. But you know, so now
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: it's a whole bunch of you know influencers. Right, You've
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: got lawer Lumer, you got that white that sort of
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: want to be white superbat. There's a poor man's Tucker Carlson,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: what's his name, Jack pro probacyak or whatever, sort of
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: a truly sort of irrational clown. And you know they're
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: also kind of sicko fan tea. But it says, you know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: hag Seth hasn't had to face a barrage of questions.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: We even have this new Inspector General report out that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: says exactly what everybody said he did during Signal Gate,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: which is he risked the lives of folks involved in
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: that mission. Yes, he technically had the power to declassify
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: those things, but apparently he could not come up with
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: the could not come up with paperwork or prove that
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: he had done anything to declassified other than I guess
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: magically thinking about it in his head. It's kind of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like the Donald Trump defense during the during that investigation
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of the classified documents that he had just said, I
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: just thought about declassifying it, so therefore they're declassified. But two,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: but you look at the fact that there's no sort
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of media pressure on hag Seth the way we would
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: have had twenty years ago, right where you've had. If
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: any of you remember Bobby ray Enman, who was a
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: nominee for Defense Secretary during Clinton, had some things in
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: his background, it became kind of a feeding frenzy and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: he was ended up, uh pulling the nomination. We don't
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: have these moments because we have such a fragmented media.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I think if if part if, if if we had
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the less splintered media and you had more of a
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and everybody were focused on what's going on with pardons,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: it would create I think national urgency. It would force
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: attention and there I think then you would have more
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: members of Congress, regardless of party, being forced to go
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: on the record on how they feel about these things.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: But we don't have that right now. Because this is
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: another thing. In some ways Trump has accelerated this, but
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: his attacks on the mainstream press to delegitimize the mainstream press,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and he's done a terrific job of doing this, you know,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the help of a of a legacy entity like Fox
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: News Who's who who sort of character assassinated many a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: journalist in their day. By doing all of this fragmenting,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: it's it makes it so no one thing becomes the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: focal point for the for the sort of entire political
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: press court. I would argue these pardons are among the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: most criminal things we've had a president do. In fact,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna one of my tododcast time Machine is
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: going to uh stories as soon as the anniversaries come up,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: is going to be about the story of Lamar Alexander
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: having to be sworn in early as governor of Tennessee
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: because the person he was replacing was literally selling pardons
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: as he was out the door. And it was such
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that Democrats joined Republicans and and essentially impeach getting rid
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: of the guy. It It happened in the seventies. Will
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I will have the more of the details, but the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: basic story was the Tennessee Legislature, which was Democratic controlled,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: essentially they accelerated the timeline to swear in Lamar Alexander
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to stop the outgoing governor from selling pardons. It's actually
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: how Fred Thompson got his acting career because they did
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a movie about this loosely, and the movie maker couldn't
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: find anybody to play Fred Thompson, who was the lawyer
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: at the time for Lamar Alexander during during this period.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So Fred Thompson played himself and lo and behold, it
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: started a career. But the point was there was a
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: time when selling pardons like Donald Trump is doing with
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: something that outraged left and right, that it was just
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: this isn't what you do in a free country. This
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: isn't what you do in a democracy, and if you
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: do do it, it's criminal.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: And it should be stopped.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: And I think the lack of focus, the frag mened media, right,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: there isn't this one. And he does plenty of things
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: that que the outrage, right, the attack on Somali immigrants,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: what he does to elin Omar all the time, how
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: he goes after personally goes after people that in some
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: ways there's distractions. Right, Venezuela story is a big story.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: So maybe the pardon, you know, takes a back seat.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: And it's not.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: New, right, Donald Trump selling a pardon is no longer
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: a shock anymore. And look, Joe Biden didn't help the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: pardon story when he did his versions of preemptive pardons
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and gave all these pardons to his family members. It's
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to me one of the just worst things he could
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: have done, because he essentially provided a provided cover and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: a permission slip for Donald Trump to abuse the process
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: even further. And look, I'm no fan of what about ism,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: but when you can give your opponent material that allows
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: them to say what about then you're not in the
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: best place on that front. But I do think we've
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: totally are under we're under angered by this pardon situation,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: and I don't think we fully appreciate the long term
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: impact this is going to have on our ability to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: convince another country to combat corruption, our ability to convince
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: another country to extradite bad actors that we want to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: prosecute because our rule of law is so ironclad and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: so well respected. He is totally damaged the perception of
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: America as an honest place for the rule of law,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and that has long that can have a long tail
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: effect that makes businesses less comfortable doing business in this country.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: One of the reasons why we're supposed to be a
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: safe haven to start a business or bring money into here.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Is is the strength of our rule of law? But
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: if it is now this manipulable And that's the thing, Like,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: are the people that follow Donald Trump, if we we
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: are not outraged by the selling of pardons in this administration,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: are we going to be outraged when the next president
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: decides to do it? So our inability collectively to enforce
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: some sort of guardrail on this, to seek to to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: sort of I mean it is it has become so
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: normal for him to do this that it's being treated
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: like another plane landing safely at National Airport. And I'm
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: just here to tell you that, you know, to repeat
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: an old Bob doleism, where's the outrage? There should be
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: real outrage here. You know, I've spent a lot of
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: time on pardons on this my podcast, but hey, I
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: know I'm part of the fragmentation now. But this is
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: an extraordinarily important story. And if you're somebody with some
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: influence listening to this, know, I don't. I don't think
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: there's any over selling the importance of what we're seeing
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: take place in the in the slow destruction of what
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the United States of America is supposed to represent when
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: it comes to the rule of law, when it comes
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to freedom, when it comes to honesty, what he is eroding,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you don't just automatically get it back when he walks
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: out the door. And certainly if JD. Vance is his
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: successor or somebody, they're going to see what he got
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: away with.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And we know this.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Every president sees what a previous president gets away with
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: and tries it a little bit more themselves. We've yet
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: to see a president voluntarily give up power voluntarily, like
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: give you know, hand power back that We've heard rhetoric
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: claiming they would, but they're never signing legislation that would.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: So it's going to probably take a constantutiontional amendment. But
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: this what we're seeing with the pardon, with the use
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: of the pardons, this is dictatorial. This is the one
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: dictatorial power he actually has, and he is I don't
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: think every anybody realizes how much damage this is going
• 34:22
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• 34:25
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• 34:32
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• 34:37
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• 34:37
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  Speaker 1: and perspective with regard to the National Guard soldiers shot
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  Speaker 1: in Washington, DC. Is there any indication that the FBI
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: missed information in advance of this heinous act because they
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: were distracted by immigration enforcement? Well, Mike, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: an excellent question. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that
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  Speaker 1: deportation policy and focus on trying to essentially find anybody
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• 36:43
  Speaker 1: clear that we know this that FBI resources from counter
• 36:48
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  Speaker 1: been diverted into all things ice and essentially tracking down
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: anybody that may be in this country that's undocumented. There's
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: been plenty of anecdotal that we you know, you'd have
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: to almost rely on more and more whistleblowers telling us
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: what's not being investigated versus what is being investigated. I
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: think over the next it's probably going to take us
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a couple of years to know this for sure. Now,
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  Speaker 1: maybe this investigation on sort of okay, what was you
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  Speaker 1: know what what did we know about this? Should there
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: have been a unit of the FBI and counter in
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the counterintelligence unit that was sort of constantly keeping an
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: eye on some of these Afghan refugees, considering that we
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: were concerned that that Taliba or essentially enemies of of
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: of of the.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: West, we're going to infiltrate.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: It's clear that the vetting process fell down somewhere, but
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think it should get lost on anybody that
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you know, we're you know, we do this with there's
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: not a shooting that happens now where we don't look
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: for another reason to not talk about the gun issue, right,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: So it's in this case we want to talk about, oh,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: vetting these Afghan nationals. We're not talking about mental health.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: And yet it does seem as if this was a
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: huge mental health issue.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: This guy.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: You know, it is not easy going from the Afghan
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: culture to the American culture. It sounds like he was
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: having a lot of trouble. Sounds like people are you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and you know, how much help do some of these
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: refugee communities need.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: In making sure they can.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Assimilate or if they're leaving a war torn area that
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: they're not experiencing PTSD and things like this.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not looking for.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: An excuse as to why this guy did it to me.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: You know, he should be off the streets period. Right,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that's not the issue. But I hope we do a
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: real after action report here because I want to know
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: all of those things, right. I want to know, has
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: there been a unit of the FBI that was a
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: little a bit more aggressive about keeping track in some
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: of these refugee communities that have come from some of
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: these places where we've been conducting counter terrorism measures.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I want to know that. I want to know.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: What resources when we do settle these settle folks in
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: these refugee communities, in these various communities that are willing
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to take refugees, whether it's the Twin Cities with Somali,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: this was Bellingham, Washington. What kind of resources are we
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: going back, are we checking in? Are we making sure
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: these folks are able to assimilate to our culture as
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: best they can, navigate our culture as best they can?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: You know, how are we helping to integrate them?
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: What does that look like?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: So I hope it's say, you know, I hope our
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Congress looks at this in a sort of three hundred
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and sixty degrees rather than just look looking for the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: easiest path here, and the easiest path here is let's
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: go vetting Afghanis and kick all immigrants out of the country, right,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: don't let anymore asylum seekers in.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: That that kind of obviously isn't it's sort of go.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: And by the way, if we want to live in
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: a free country, you know, living in a free country
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: means there's you know, if you want to live in
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: a less free country, we can have people constantly harassed, invented. Right,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: what's the line that we want to have of having
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: our own freedom and privacy and having security. Right, you
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: can have you can guarantee security, but it takes away freedom.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: So what's that line that you're willing to do?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And we don't.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: We don't always have that whole conversation, you know, I
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: always say that's why, That's why God invented libertarians to
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: force us to have those conversations. Next question comes from
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Chris C and he writes, love the longer podcast form.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: It feels like I actually learned something. Oh, I appreciate it,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: unlike the up and fire style of most news shows.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: As a Washington State grad go Koog's, I can't help
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: but feel like college football is totally broken.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I think about you guys all the time. I think
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: it drives me nuts. Well, let me finish your question.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Between realignment and il chaos, coaching turnover, and players constantly transferring,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: it's getting harder for fans to say connected. Maybe it's
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: just my Pacific Northwest perspective, but something feels like it
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: has to give before the sport loses its core appeal.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: You know, Chris, this is what frustrates me about. First
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: of all, they're obviously college football has to you know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: we need a commissioner, right There needs to be somebody
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: looking out for the sport, not entities looking out for
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: universities and conferences. Right in theory, that's what they president
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: of the NCAA could have been should have been that
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: ship sailed and that ship shalled decades ago. I think
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Charlie Baker could be a terrific overseer of all this.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: But you know, the NCAA has no power over FBS football.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: They have some power over to Vision two and Division
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: one f FCS Division one Double A, they have no
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: power over over that. Now, imagine if Congress said conferences,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you know what that that you know, Congress intervenes, and
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I do think your concerns. I do think this is
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: begging for congressional intervention. And that's the thing, right, the
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: beauty of a representative democracy is you have a Congressman
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: in Spokane who is seen that not you know, there
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: was you know, just willy nilly, the Big Ten, USC
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: and Oregon got into bed together, YadA, YadA, YadA. Suddenly
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Washington State can't compete on the highest level for college football?
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Why why is there burier entry suddenly higher because of
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: a decision that USC made, a decision that Oregon made,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and a decision that the Big Ten made. And I
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: guess we could say Oregon would have stayed had Washington stay, right,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I know a couple of versions of that backstory.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: But the point is I've long thought that the strength
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: of college football and why college football was different, and
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I always thought kind of better than the NFL. I mean,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: trust me, the game itself is great in the NFL,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. But what the beauty of college
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: football is. It felt like more people had more teams.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: You know, there was sort of it just was it
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: was both more local and more accessible. And so yeah,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: fifty thousand people would show up in Spokane to see
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: to see Washington State and Ryan Leaf play in a
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: game that gets into the Rose Bowl. You know, I'm
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: old enough to remember Mike Leach having a lot of
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: fun as the coach of Washington State. Spokane is a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: great market for college football. The advantage of college football
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: over the NFL is the NFL probably couldn't support a
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: team and spoken, but college football can't. Right, The NFL
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: can't support a team in a team in is it
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Beaverton or Corvallis. Excuse me, Corvallis, Oregon. But college football
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: can Tallahassee, Florida, Tuscaloose, Alabama, Oxford, Mississippi, Fayetteville, Arkansas, Champagne, Illinois.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: You see where I'm going here. That's what's so great
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: about college football, and frankly, the advantage that college football has,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: right they have more markets where they have more devoted
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: fans in a variety of ways. And instead the powers
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: that be and the and the greed that's there with
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: with with what the conference has done is that it's
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: every conference for themselves and they're trying to hoard the value.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: They're hoarding players, they're holding hoarding TV money, and the
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: irony is what it doing is. And this is where
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I love this guy. I think his name's Cody Campbell.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: This is the.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Gentleman that's won the Sugar Daddy for the Texas Tech
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: football team. But too he's the one that's been running
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: these ads about about the old broadcast media rate. He's
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: basically trying to get the TV negotiate to have all
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: college football programs in Division one and FBS pool their
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: TV rights together and it be negotiated as one right,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: just like the NFL negotiates as one and NBC gets
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a piece of the NFL, CBS gets a piece, Fox
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: gets a piece, Amazon gets a piece, Netflix gets a piece, etc.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: And if college football did it that way, well, the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Washington State could get more TV revenue if it was
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: in the same negotiation pool of money as Oregon, Ohio
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: State and Alabama and Notre Dame, and it's one entity,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: and certainly yes and all these different media entities would
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: get a piece of the action. But what you would
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: have is you would actually have more revenue coming in.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: You'd probably get collectively more money the more you spliced
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: it up. And instead, the SEC negotiates and then ESPN
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: plays them off of and then of course they're willing
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: to pay a premium for the SEC. So they're going
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to try to cheap out on what they'll pay the
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: American Conference or what they'll pay the ACC, or they'll
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: lock the ACC into this long term deal because they
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: realize because you know, they pulled one over on the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: ACC commissioner who didn't realize how quickly the valuation of
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: these media rights were going to grow, and ESPN was
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: going to be sitting with a bargain while they spent
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the money they saved from paying the ACC to go
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: ahead and pay the SEC. So look, I hate this.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: What really frustrates me is that there's a simple solution.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Pull all the TV money together, and I promise you
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: everybody would have more money. Every program would have more
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: money than they have right now coming from TV revenue,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: every single one, And that would and then I think
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you would have the best of both worlds. You'd get
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: relevant college football back and Spokane and Greg Sanktye and
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: the SEC would has still have a whole bunch of
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: cash to jump into, like Donald Duck jumping into his
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: vat of money back in the old cartoon days. All right,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Next question, it's anonymous, but from a Notre Dame fan.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: With Trump's approval ratings continuing to slip and the midterms
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: looking more and more bleak for Republicans, do you think
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: we will start to see some justices of the Supreme
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Court announced their retirement. Thanks and go Irish. By the way,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those who thinks Notre Dame in Miami
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: both should be in the playoff Oklahoma and Alabama should
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: be the ones fighting for the last stop. But I will,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I will, I will digress. I one hundred percent believe this.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I think that I will be shocked if Clarence Thomas
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: is a Supreme Court justice in twenty twenty seven. I
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: think given the current political environment, and frankly, if I'm
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: going to be you know, I'm going to play political
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: strategists for Republicans in the White House. I would love
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: nothing more to fire up the Republican base than to
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: have a open, have a Supreme Court justice debate and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: to be able to sort of soak up sort of,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: you know, especially if this is going to be not
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the best economic environment, not the best foreign policy environment,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: not the best moral and ethical environment, having you know,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: to go back to a sort of a core, having
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a fighting for somebody to be a Supreme Court justice,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: hoping that it, you know, bates the laft into going,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of picking a fight that showcases parts
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: of the left that are less popular with swing voters.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons. Oh, by the way, the
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: age of Thomas. But do you want to risk a
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Democratic Senate coming in in twenty seven, right? You know,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the chances of that are about if you believe the
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: political markets, the prediction market's about one and three chance
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: that that's going to happen. So if you want to
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: guarantee this advantage that you currently have in the Supreme Court,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: this you know, this is the calendar year twenty twenty six,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: particularly the first essentially six months, so I think this
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: is a really smart question. I wish you'd put your
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: name in there. I'm going to give you extra credit
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: because I think you have your spot on and you know,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: both Thomas and Alito are in the in the in
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: the retirement zone. I think Thomas is more likely to
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: do this. Alito, I think, really enjoys the job, so
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I think he's going to be harder to pry to
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: convince to do this.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I think Clarence Thomas will be.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Perfectly happy getting into his RV and driving around the
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: country to be if he thinks he can be semi anonymous,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: which I think you might enjoy that. So now I'm
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: sorry I haven't thought about this, but I think you're
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: onto something. And again you're remaining nameless, but extra credit.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you for the great nugget.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Next question comes from Chase Carmichael Little Rock, Arkansas. Hey, Chuck,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: you and Sarah Essker recently said that dismantling political parties
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: has actually increased partisanship, which sounds backwards from here in
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Red state country, where everything still feels very party driven.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Can you walk us through how weaker parties lead to
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: stronger partisans If you take this one, I'm declaring myself
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the charter member of the ash Chuck five Timers Club.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And yes I'm buying a jacket.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I love it. And yes we've taken this question. So congratulations,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: welcome to the Ashchuck five Timers Club. Like I said,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I can't wait till my friend Sarah Esker.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Becomes in five timer.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I think I'm go back to I Meet the Press
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: podcasting days. I think we're up to She's been on
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: three times, so I appreciate you asking this so that
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: we could clarify. So here's what we mean by weaker parties.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: So when McCain fine Gold passed, this was the Bipartisan
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Campaign finance Reform. It's the biggest reform it made was
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: limiting the amount of money political parties could raise in
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: large chunks. Okay, it was called soft money. Back then
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: you'll hear references to soft money and hard money. And
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: hard money means you can essentially coordinate with campaigns and candidates.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Soft money you can't spend directly on candidate advocacy, but
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: you can spend it on like operations. You know, you
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: can spend it on get out the vote.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Costs. You can spend it on office supply.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Stuff, I mean early, you know, anything other than direct
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: advocacy for the candidate. And so when the when the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: parties were so here's here's why it turned out to
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: weaken the parties when you were when you're a candidate
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: running for office, and look, I understand what you're saying
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: in Arkansas and that if you're in this, look, parties have.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: The more local a political party is, there are places
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: where it is still strong because you've got to go
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: through the party if you want to maybe get ballot access,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: or you've got to go through the local party if
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: you want to you know, get make sure you're getting
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: invited to all the key you know, because some of
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: these are you know, you've got to talk to the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: super advocates, activists and the super voters in a local community.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: So parties certainly have. I mean, I think about the county.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I live in Arlington County. The Arlington County Democrats, UH
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: are are a pretty powerful local entity, sometimes behaving a
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: little small, d undemocratic and some of their aggressive tactics.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: But the point is the party is if you want
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: to run for local office and you want to be
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: on the county board, you try to go around the party,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have a hard time. Well, the national parties
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: had that kind of hold for a long time before
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the passage of McCain. Fine, Goald, this is one of
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: those where good intentions. So when you're a Senate Canader,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: a presidential candidate and you needed money, you had to
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: go through the party. So what does that mean, Well,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: that gives the party leverage over you. So take Donald
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Trump's attack on John McCain and writes previous at the
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: time was chairman of the RNC, and he denounced Donald
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Trump for that, and he said that republic you know,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: John McCain's a publicly in good standing. You know, if
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump knew he had to go through the party
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: in order to get, you know, access to donors and
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: get these things, the party could say, you know, no,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: we're not going to fund your candidacy. And if you
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: could get funded and you had to your reliance was
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: unfunding or volunteers was through the party, and the party
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: was not going to help you, then you've essentially been
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: purged by the party. Right, Yes, you can go around,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: but it's much harder to run third party. It's much
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: harder to get on a ballot in a place where
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: the party controls access to the ballot and things like that.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: And when they took away the biggest thing that the
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: parties had to offer candidates money and access to it,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: when it became where the candidates themselves, where essentially could
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: go find their own essentially build their own political parties, right,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: find their own sugar daddy. We call them super PACs now.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: But that's essentially what happened. So it doesn't change like
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: we you know, it's still the red versus the blue,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: but it weakened parties. I mean, it is the strangest
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: conundrum to me. Right, we've were more polarized today, right,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: And as part of it is because our politics is
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: very negative, meaning you're constantly being told who you shouldn't
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: vote for. Nobody's being nobody really is running for officing
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: what they want to do for you. Instead they're running
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: for office telling you what that other person's going to
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: you know, screw how that other person's going to screw you.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: So it created you know, we're sort of negative. We
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: have negative partisanship where people don't like the two parties
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: but they but they're really devoted.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: To not liking one of the two parties, right, and
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: that's there there.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: It's almost like bizarro Superman, right, you have Superman, Bizarro Superman.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: You're on the bizarro You're a bizarro Democrat. You're not
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: pro Democrat, you're just anti Republican. You're a bizarro Republican.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: You're not pro Republican, you're just anti Democrat.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: And that's what we've become.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: But taking money away from the party as an institution
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: or as an organization where you had to go through
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: the party to get access to ballot and it gave
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: the party the ability to essentially keep the David Dukes
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: out or keep the the Lindon Laruschi's out right. And
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: every once in a while those those people did sneak in,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, that is what's allowed party,
• 56:01
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  Speaker 1: I love that my college football rants have have have
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: seeped into enough of my little ecosystem here that I
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: feel like almost every question that we get has I'm
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: reference to college football these days. So obviously I expressed
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: before my frustration and anger at the ACC because ultimately
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I cannot believe the position that the ACC finds them in,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: and as a is somebody who's a supporter, a donor,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: a booster of the University of Miami Athletic department. I am, Okay,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: I'm putting all my cards out there.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I've loved them since I was a kid. I've my
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: daughter is going to be a graduating scene, so I yeah,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I am, and.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, I write checks. Okay, I I am. I am
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: a booster.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I am not a I'm for those of you that
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: know Miami football, I'm not Nevian Shapiro level booster.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm I'm.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: A middle class booster. Uh in the in that world
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: so I consider myself though a shareholder.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: This is the way I would look at it.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I feel that kind of I feel like I have
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: some and I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm sure other
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: people who support their support college, their favorite college football
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: program may feel the same way. And I'm just appalled
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: at the treatment the ACC has given its members. It
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: is I think the ACC's lack of you know, they
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: didn't just not support Florida State when Florida State got
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: jobbed by ESPN two years ago, and.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I love there was this y're in.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: The there's a question about whether Old miss should be
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: dropped out of the playoffs since they lost their head
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: coach and Lane Kiffin, and the chairman of the committee said, well,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: we don't have a data point. We can't see how
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: they play. Yeah, because they're not going to play another
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: GA unless they play in the playoff. Well, Florida State
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: played two games one both of their games without their quarterback.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: But they said, well even though they won, and we
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: still don't think they can be competitive. It was look,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I know what they were worried about. They were worried
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: that Florida State was actually going to beat Michigan in
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: a game that was nine to seven because the Florida
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: State defense was so good and the Michigan defense was
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: so good that it wasn't gonna be very entertaining, and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: that if they ended up winning, they probably wouldn't be
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: able to keep up with the Georgia or keep up
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: with And I think that was the other the other
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: team in that one. Oh they did, they took Alabama
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: in Texas instead of Florida State. But you know it
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: is the ACC did really barely lifted a finger in
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: defending that with Florida State. And remember, everybody in the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: conference gets a piece of this postseason Bowl money. So
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the ACC really this is why I hold the leadership
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: so account. I mean, look, no offense to do by
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: the way, I love man ideas, I know him a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: little bit, I think the way that I hate the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: way he was a show the door down in Miami.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: He basically, you know, and so I know he is
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: you know, he loves the karma that he got to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: the ACC title game before Crystal Ball did. But basically,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: all these donors said they weren't going to donate money
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: if many Diaz was a coach, but they would donate
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: money if Mario Cristo Baal was the coach. So it's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: just I hated the way that that happened. I'm glad
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: to see that there's real money now being invested in
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: this football program.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: There hasn't been for twenty years.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: So but I've been torn about it because I think
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: many Diaz is a good dude. I think he loves
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: that university. I know he loves you know, And yeah,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I felt I felt my own little connection. You know,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I are about the same age we both grew up,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: you know. Our our love for the nursery of Miami
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: was sort of kate because we were we were of
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: that age when we were kids growing up in Miami.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't know him growing up, but I did. I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: always felt a bit of a bond with him. So
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm personally really happy for Manidaz And I'm like,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm small ailing for him because I know
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: he's you know, there's a there's a little bit of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: you know, how do you like me now? Type of
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: mindset there. So I don't want to denigrate Duke's football program,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to denigrate.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Duke's football program. They have no they have.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: No business being in this game. And I think deep
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: down inside manadiez No's they have no business being in
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: this game. Now, look, the rules are the rules, and
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: the ridiculous tiebreakers that the conference decided to create to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: deal with their seventeen teams and their conference is.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: What it was. Well, what are you thinking?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: You had an opportunity to have your two ten and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: two teams face off in here, but you created a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: convoluted system where your overall strength of schedule, your non
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: conference schedule, has no impact over in a tiebreaker situation.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: That's just stupid. It really is stupid. And I have
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: to tell you if the ACC ends up getting completely
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: shut out of the college Football Playoff because Duke wins
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: this game and then James Madison and Tulane both end
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: up in the playoff, because it's the five highest ranked
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: conference champions, there's no guarantee for the Power four conferences.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: The assumption was all the Power four conferences would have
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: somebody that would be in that top five. Remember last year,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Clemson didn't get the buy the five conference champions. The
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: buys went to the four highest ranked conference champions in
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Boise State, I believe got the buy, not Clemson, right
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: because Clemson shouldn't have been in there. That's another one
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: for they're weird tiebreaker situation. Last year's the two highest
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: ranked ACC teams were Miami and SMU. They should have
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: faced off, but they created a system that a lot.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: And what I want to say to the ACC is,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: do you want to make your members any money? Do
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: you want to have to stop ESPN screwing you all
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: the time with its coverage of the SEC versus how
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: they treat you as a business partner. And that's what
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I don't get and I have to tell you. I
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: think there's a strong argument to be made that Miami,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Florida State, SMU, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia Tech to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: say we're out. Maybe I'd bring a Georgia Tech in
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Atlanta and Callen Stanford. I go and just get out
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: of the s ACC. Form your own sort of negotiate
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: your own TV contract. There's other TV contracts out there.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I think you can get a.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Better deal.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Each Each school would get more money than what they're
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: getting out of there because you wouldn't have to have
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: the the you know, the the weaker football programs that
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: don't generate much revenue from the for the ACC and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: just get out of the ACC because the ACC is
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: not looking. Miami can't sustain being a major power in
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: football stuck in the ACC. They either have to get
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: out and become an independent again, go join one of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: the two major conferences, or see if there's a third
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: way here. Because it's clear and less you know that
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: unless nless the university asency ACC realize that they have
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: that this has been a catastrophic failure of leadership by
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the conference. Just catastrophic costing every school millions of dollars.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: That's the thing here. This is not just angry fan
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Chuck Todd here, I'm looking. This is a financial thing.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: This is hurting the bottom line. This is costing every
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: member of the conference money and that trickles down. It's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: going to hurt in your ability to compete for players.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: It's going to hurt your ability to convince players to
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: come if they be getting into the college football playoff matters.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: None of it is helpful, and I'd like to see
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: a little little bit more urgency from the university presidents
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: of the of the football programs that care in the ACEC.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: And that's part of the problem. It's only about half
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: the conference that does the other half doesn't give a shit,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: which is why you know there isn't more anger at
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: at the leader of the at the commissioner of the ACEC.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: But that's got to change. Now let's go to the rankings.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: I you know, the perception of the SEC versus the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: reality the SEC really frustrates me. Oklahoma, I mean, oklahw
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: and Alabama are just being automatically assumed to be you know,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: there they are their locks, but Notre Dame in Miami less,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: So what's the what? Where where is Alabama? They've played
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: one good half of football, the first half against Georgia.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: They almost pissed that game away. I think they scored
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: three points the entire second half of that game, or
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: maybe zero if memory serves. Let's just say I'm I'm
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: hoping for a two or three score Georgia win on
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: this one. If I think, if they expose Alabama for
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: being who they've mostly been, which is kind of a
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: more like they were last year. You know, they've shown
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: flashes of being a good playoff caliber team, but not
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: that many. But again, they carry a brand name Oklahoma.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: My god, all right, look, they've got some good wins,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: right it? But who wants to watch that putrid offense,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: and you know, kind of like Miami last year, the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: you know, the best on the field. You know, the
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: best argument against Miami was, yeah, they have a great offense,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: they don't have a championship defense. So if they're on
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: the bubble, no, well, that to me is Oklahoma. They
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: have a championship defense, but they don't have a championship offense.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: And it's not even close, and they're you know there
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: may might win a game, but you know, depending on
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: a matchup, that's it. So if you're gonna hold Miami
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: to account like that, that's the way Oklahoma should be
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: held to account. But they've got their magical victory against Alabama,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: and it's like pay no attention, you know, you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: it's like a Jedi mind trick, right, just like Alabama
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: has this victor over Georgia and it's like never mind
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: the Jedi mind trick. And then there's this total like
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: perception that the ACC is garbage. Well this garbage conference.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Georgia Tech was one score game, had a chance to
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: win that game. Last five minutes of the fourth quarter
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: against Georgia, Louisville blows out Kentucky a team that took
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Texas to overtime, you had Clemson whipping South Carolina. You've
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: had If you compare Miami in Alabama, they have one
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: common opponent, Florida State. Miami b Florida State. Alabama lost
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Florida State. So it is frustrating to me that it
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: is Miami and Notre Dame that are in this sort
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: of shootout with each other when realistically they both probably belong.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: And in fact, you want to know the single highest
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: rated first round game you would have in the playoff.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, if this truly is a TV show and
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: ESPN executives are just thinking about ratings, how about an
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: eight to nine matchup of Notre Dame at Miami at
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: South Bend and let's settle it. Let's settle this debate
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: right here and there. Now, the possibility of that, I
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: think is very very low. It does appear that. Look,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: if Alabama and BYU get blown out, you know, both
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: lose by two or more scores. I think there's a
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: scenario that both Miami and Notre Dame get in.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: But that's in.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: That's I think that's that's a long shot. Now, if
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: you tell me that Notre Dame and Miami are ranked
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: right next to each other. Let's say Alabama gets blown
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: out and it's it's Notre Dame at ten Miami at eleven,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: or they're back to back, and.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Let's say Duke does win.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: That game and they're not going to make the playoff,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: and and ACC is going to get shut out, and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and they're leaving Miami on the cutting room floor and
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: taking Notre Dame. I think that's going I actually think
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: that won't happen, right. I think that there's a So
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm optimistic Mimai's go to make the playoff,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: but I think the chances are about one. I saw
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: the odds are sort of five to one. I think
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: the odd should be about three to one because I
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: think under you know, shoot, if I'm not I'm not
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: convinced that if BYU beats Texas Tech, that Texas Tech
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: is a playoff team. I know some people are, so
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: I think regardless, I think if the loser of the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Big twelve game has a shot at not making it
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: the playoff at all, it all depends, I think, on
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: the margin of Georgia and Alabama. So I'm I am
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: I'm frustrated. I don't know what these what this committee
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: is watching. I think if you set the precedent that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: that head to head doesn't matter, then what the hell
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: are we doing? It will make scheduling interconference games that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: much harder if you make these head to heads not
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: only not matter as a positive, but end up like
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: it feels like it's a negative. Right, you risk a
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: loss where the loss could punish you, but the wind
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't get you anything. I mean, this is the logic
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: of the college Football Playoff Committee just drives me nuts.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: The idea that a loss matters more than a win,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: because basically, in all of these scenarios, when they're differentiating
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: these teams, they're trying to make the case, well, this
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: is a better loss. Your losses are crappier than their losses. Well,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: you know this is like I rolled my eyes when
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: the rationale the guy gave for Alabama for Alabama getting
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: moved ahead of Notre Dame was boy, they were in
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: a tough rivalry game on the road against Auburn. Well,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: you know what frustrates me is Mimi just gets you know,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: their two losses are just getting well, they just lost
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: to a couple of medio gracc teams. Well, maybe what
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: you don't know is that the Louisville game is a
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: freaking trophy game, all right. And it's a trophy because
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Louisville wanted to make a trophy game. It's for the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Howard Schnellenberger Trophy because Howard Snellenberger coach both teams. Well, look,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Miami doesn't, Miami does not see Louisville's arrival.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Louisville.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Literally, Miami is the second most important football program they
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: play after Kentucky. And I would bet that the Louisville
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: football partisans would say the Miami game means more to them.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: They lobbied the ACC to make Miami one.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Of their every year opponents.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: That's how important Miami is this to Louisville's status. So
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: sorry if you don't think much of the ACC. But
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Louisville cared so much about that game. They put everything.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: You know, half their season was devoted to trying to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: win the Miami game. Did it with SMU, So you know,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna look, Miami should have won
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: both games. They blew it, Okay, they absolutely blew it.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: But if you're going to sit here and rationalize all
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: these other you know, oh boy, the SEC and these
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: tough games, and boy boy Texas A and m good
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: for them for pulling out a game against South Carolina
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: team that loses to Clemson, who's one of you know,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: a mid level sort of you know, wasn't even good
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: enough to tie Duke in the conference in the conference standings.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: That it's this is because we have created this perception
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: that whatever happens in the SEC is amazing, and if
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: the same things happen in other conferences is proof that
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: that conference is weak. But when it happens in the SEC,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: it's proof that the SEC is tough. It's just a
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: bunch of nonsense. And when you're not a member of
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: the and every one of my friends who are SEC people,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: they all drink this SEC kool aid, and you're just like, Okay,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: you know what, Miami just went on the road beat
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Pitt in cold weather. Yeah, often Miami's done that. I
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: can't remember them ever playing a game that well in
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: that cold weather.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: But did this.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Committee think that was an impressive showing.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Anyway?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: It's just it's it's a bunch of bias bullshit. This
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: committee is not using metrics. They're they're sort of And
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: that's another thing. Right, if they didn't rank any of
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: these teams at all all year long, and the first
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: ranking they put together was the one going into this week,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I promise you Oklahoma is not in the top ten
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: because when you look at Oklahoma into totality and you
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: compare them. But the problem is they release these rankings
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: every week, and in some ways they're stuck with the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: ranking that they initially give. When you realize the body
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: of work, the longer you go, you're like, Oklahoma's not
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: a top ten team. They have a record, good for them,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: but they're not a top ten team, and it's you.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: It's just this whole thing sucks, and it sucks. And
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the only thing the reason I complain about it so
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: much is there is a pattern that win in doubt,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: this committee screws the acc They did it in twenty three,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: they did it in twenty four, and it looks like
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: they're going to do it again in twenty five. And
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see somebody, whether it's university presidents or
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: somebody else, stand up and demand some accountability from.
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  Speaker 2: The leadership of the ACCI.
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  Speaker 1: Now should be a fun weekend of college football champions Championships.
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I actually think Friday is going to be amazing. I
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: can't wait to watch Tulane in North Texas get ready
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  Speaker 1: to be fully entertained.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pulling.
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  Speaker 1: I got more of my son's friends are at Tulane
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  Speaker 1: and my daughter's friends are Tulane, so we're Toulane advocates
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  Speaker 1: in this house. I couldn't be a bigger Georgia Bulldog fan,
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  Speaker 1: so let's go Georgia Bulldogs over Alabama. I think I'm
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: rooting for Texas Tech. I don't or it may not
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  Speaker 1: matter if it's if b YU or Texas Tech wins,
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  Speaker 1: as long as whoever wins wins by margin. I don't
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: think what Mimy could afford as a close game, and
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  Speaker 1: considering what this committee is doing and the big disappointment
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: for me, and by the way, there's a part of
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: me that is pulling for Duke to win this championship game.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, I know it's better for the conference
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  Speaker 1: if to guarantee a spot in the playoff for UVA
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  Speaker 1: to win, And I got friends that love their who's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but I kind of want the
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  Speaker 1: leadership of the ACC to have to eat this shit sandwich.
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  Speaker 1: So and you know there's something like I said, I'm
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: happy for Manny Das that he gets this, that he's
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  Speaker 1: having this moment considering the uncomfortable way that I think
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: and the kind of shoddy way that I think the
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: University of Miami forced him out the door. So the
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  Speaker 1: big thing I wish the Ohio State Indiana game meant
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: something like, we should be more excited about this game
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  Speaker 1: than any game all season long. It's one versus two,
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  Speaker 1: undefeated versus undefeated, But honestly, do you put everything you
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: need to in that game knowing that you have the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: playoff coming up? So this is a reminder. I have
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: a new idea. I think these conference championship games shouldn't
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: go to the top if you're going to be in
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  Speaker 1: the playoff. We should instead go ahead and keep the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: conference titles, but match up your bubble teams, right, So
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: let's put Alabama and Oklahoma and the SEC title game.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Let's put Miami and UVA and the ACC title game.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Let's put USC and I guess you would say Oregon
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: in the Big Ten title game, right, like you do
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: it so that it is the bubble teams, you get
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: to either play your way in, and winning the conference
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: means you don't have to play that.
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  Speaker 2: Extra conference championship game. Just a thought. We certainly got
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: to do something about those championship games. All right.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy the weekend. I really want to
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: enjoy the game on the field. I am petrified of
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  Speaker 1: noon on Sunday when we hear what the ESPN Invitational
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  Speaker 1: Committee decides to do. But with that, have a great weekend.