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what a welcome to the show. Tyd Bullock, who is a pretty successful
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developer of properties, businesses, et cetera on Charleston's website, and he joins
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us. Now, good morning, sir, how are you? Hey?
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Good morning Dave? I'm will How are you? Thank you for being here?
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Okay, I got to ask you a quick question for those that may
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not know, what is the difference in the name between west Side and Elk
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City. Explain it? I get this question. Yeah, I bet you
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do. Go ahead, and the first thing I would say is just you
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know, it doesn't matter what you call it. It's all part of Charleston.
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It's all part of our community. Just come down and come shop and
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come say hi. But the history of the neighborhood. You know, just
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like other major cities, Charleston's a major city. Were one of fifty capitals.
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We have micro districts, you know, just like there's Greenwich Village or
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Hell's Kitchen or other places in New York, we have micro districts on the
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west side. Elk City used to be its own city, had its own
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charter with the legislature, had its own mayor, had its own city council.
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It was annexed by Charleston in the late eighteen nineties, and it tells
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part of our story. It was designed differently. It was designed to be
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its own city. So it kind of has its own main street, straddles
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route what was the original Route sixty. And so the Elk City Historic District
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sort of celebrates that history and honors it and helps tell our story as a
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city. See, I've learned something today. I didn't know the history.
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I didn't know that it was that it was its own city. At one
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time, I did not know that. How has the gas situation been over
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there? I've got some more info on the gas situation to get to a
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little bit later on overall house. How you folks coping with that over there?
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Yeah? Luckily, I mean it's it's a it's a bad situation.
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Luckily for at least the tenants on we were on the right side of the
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or the the the side that wasn't affected by the and then the by the
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gas water issue. But I said it before and I'll say it now if
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anybody we we have we have a couple of empty spaces is the former Books
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and Bruce space at two two two and so it's got a full kitchen,
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it's warm, you know. I invite people to give me a shout if
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they need, especially organizations, if they're looking to cook or help help with
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this situation, Please give me a shout and let me know how I can
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help with that. It's been an amazing tie. And I had Angie uh
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Settle on from Health right yesterday talking about a little bit she given and giving
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out some thanks. But the organizations and the individuals that have come together in
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that situation over there. But as I said yesterday, that's what West Virginians
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do. Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, we'll talk about the development on the
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White Side. That's why you're here today. You were someone along time with
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a few others that have sort of led the rebirth of the West Side.
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Why do you believe in that area so much? Well, so, I'm
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from a small coal town in southern West Virginia, Thurmond, West Virginia,
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and growing up I kind of saw that communities, folks moving away, the
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mines were closing down and getting further further away from from Thurmond. And so
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I watched my community kind of fall apart around me, and it kind of
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led this drive for me to want to affect positive change in the communities that
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I live in. And so when we moved to Charleston, we moved to
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the West. I lived on Somerset above the Cave on Edgewood, and driving
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back and forth to school or soccer practice, you know, it reminded me
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of my hometown in Thurman that I said to myself, Thurmond is Thurmant is
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probably too gone for for you know, true development or redevelopment as I like
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to call it. But you know, we're in the capital city here,
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there's no reason why these buildings should be like this. There's all kinds of
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opportunities here, and so, you know, I'm just a construction worker.
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We have a successful construction company. It's really the people that the tenants that
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the kinship goods, the bully trapped barber shops, echo lit. I'm gonna
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get in trouble if I if I don't mention everybody, always do just do
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the best you can. Yeah. Yeah, but those are the people that
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really make the neighborhood. They're the ones that go and open those doors every
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day and engage with customers and build our tax base, and so they're really
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the ones that are doing this. I think I just kind of saw an
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opportunity and I like working with my hands, and that's kind of how it
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started. What has been the response from those that were in the community when
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you came in and you said, look, I want to want to help
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to redevelop this area. What was the response from some of the people that
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were there. Generally positive? There has been some some discussions, and you
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know, there's always the G word, as I call it gentrification, which
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it's crazy how some people will view that in a positive light. Some people
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use that word in a negative of light. I think it's it's kind of
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lost its meaning. It's sort of empty. The gentrification is in Charleston,
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per se. I can't speak to other people's experiences and what goes on in
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other cities. But all the buildings that we've done were empty. We've this
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was an under underinvested area of our community, and these were these were buildings
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that needed new roofs, needed new storefronts, needed complete upgrades on things.
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But I'm always trying to always trying to learn more. I'm always trying to
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meet with community members and see if I'm missing anything or if there's any way
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that I can I can help. I don't want this to be a project
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of just like a playground for for wealthy people that come and spend money and
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quickly in the area and then leave, you know, I think that would
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be a failure for the vision of what I'd like to see. I want
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to see true community engagement, like the community coming together, both commercial and
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residential components of that. And uh. And so I'm always learning, but
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I think overall it's been a positive reception. And uh. But again,
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you know, I invite anybody to give me a shout and let me know
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if I'm missing something or if that there's something that we can do more over
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there. Talking to Ty Bullock again, a developer on the west side of
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Charleston, what would you like to see in the future or what are you
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hearing from people maybe over there that that that's needed in that area. I
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mean, obviously you want to continue what you've already started, but what are
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some particular things that that you'd like to see over there? Oh, right
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off the bat, you know, I always hear about a laundromat. Everybody
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wants a laundry maat, but no, but you know, I've never built
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one before. It can be difficult to operate. But if somebody came along
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and wanted to operate one, we put a business plan together, be happy
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to do that. But I do hear laundrom out a lot. Recently,
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we have engaged with Legal Aid of West Virginia. They're currently located on Quarrier
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Street downtown, but they're they're up and and I, you know, I
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want to caveat. I can't speak for Legal Aid and I won't speak for
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Legal Aid, but they uh, they're in a they're in a place that
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that they're they're ready for their next move, their next big iteration of of
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of of their mission statement. And I think moving to the West Side is
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going to be a huge game changer both for UH the community and for Legal
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Aid because now they'll also have that. Right now, they're they're on like
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the third or fourth floor of this building downtown. With this new move,
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they'll have a clinical aspect to they'll be on the ground floor. They'll be
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able to engage directly with the community. Legal Aid offers pro bono legal services
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to UH folks that are most in need in our in our communities, and
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so locating at two five three oh two, which is our area code over
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there, it's the highest concentration of population, it's the highest concentration of poverty,
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it's the highest concentration of minorities in our whole state and UH. And
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so I see some really positive changes with with that being with that move,
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they should we're shooting for about a year from now to get them into that
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space. It's in the old STATS Hospital, which everyone knows that that's been
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the white elephant in the room over there, but one of them. And
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so it just feels really good to be able to finally figure out what that
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next iteration of that building is. But I'm always looking for the next project
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too. I'm always looking to see what's next, What can we build next?
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What do you think? Tie is the biggest misconception about the West Side
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and about that part of town that is dangerous. It's not dangerous. We
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have we have one of the safest cities in America. And you know there
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there are crimes of opportunity. You know, you might get uh, you
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might get something if you leave a tool out on the sidewalk, you know,
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you might not come back in a couple hours, might be gone.
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But generally speaking, there's no like smashing grabs. We don't have a lot
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of violent crime. You know, you see in the comments section oftentimes when
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there's a west Side story about oh well, watch out for the bullets or
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something like that. It's just those are silly statements. You know, we
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live in a very safe, tight knit community. People look out for each
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other. I live over on Indiana Avenue. Me and my neighbors all look
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out for each other. Never had any problems, So that's that's that's a
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big misconception. The west Side is a it's a good place. To live
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and to raise a family. I had a text here for the show about
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the funding for all the development over there. Has it mainly been private capital?
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What's come in? Yeah, mainly private, but there have been I
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have two, well now I have three development companies. My first, my
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main one is Bullet Properties. That one deals with traditional market rate arms length
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transactions. If the numbers work, they're bankable, we do it through Bulleck
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Properties. If there's a historic building or a project that just for some reason
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isn't bankable, but there's a great community need for it. The Staffs Building
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is one of those examples, then all it goes into Crawford Holdings. Crawford's
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my middle name, and uh and so we we we put those into Crawford.
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If they have a little I call it, have a little bit of
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hair on the deal, but but they need to be and so we figure
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out we get the project done. We do a public private partnership. Oftentimes,
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the Charleston Area Alliance has been tremendous in their help. The Charleston Urban
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Renewal Authority has been tremendous. We work with an organization formerly known as Natural
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Capital Investment Fund, now called Partner Community Capital they're based out of Shepherd's Town.
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They're a nonprofit lender. They're not FDIC insured, so they're able to
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infuse cash into these projects that have a little bit of hair on them,
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and then we get them healthy, we get some historic numbers on those projects,
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and then we roll them into a more bankable deal and then we move
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on to the next one. So so it's been a it's been an amalgamation
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of private funding, bank funding, tax credits. UH. The City of
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Charleston has been incredible with some of the FASAG grant programs they have. So
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it's just kind of the Schmorcas board of of of putting creative financing together.
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Todd, do you have a place where people could learn more? If somebody's
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listening today, they'd like to maybe get involved with what you and the others
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are doing over on the west side, you have a like a website or
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a phone number you can give out or something like that, look like more
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information. Yeah, I'm an open book. My phone number is all over
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the four rent signs that are down there. Three oh four five five three
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six three four three. Give me a shout anytime, call me, text
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me, just reach out. I'm like I said earlier. I'm I'm all
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ears for and I'm an open book for for trying to figure out, how
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how can we uh, how can you know? We've got to We've got
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a declining population in our city, We've got a declining population in our state,
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and we need to do something about about these kind of things, and
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we need to we need to invest in our downtowns. That's what i'd say.
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I think it's really interesting too, and I've had and we'll let you
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go after this. I've had discussions with other economic development officials, not only
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here in Charleston, but across the country. With the younger generation. You
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have the those just beginning of the workforce, maybe just out of college or
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even you know whatever, young people. Whereas my general I'm a GenAm,
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classic Gen X, you know, we wanted to be raised families, whatever
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kind of away from the city. We want to be in the suburbs.
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And maybe the generation just ahead of us, you know, the baby boomers
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did that as well. But with the younger generation, I'm talking early twenties
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to maybe or early thirties, they seem to want to be downtown. And
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I'm not talking about just in Charles I'm talking about nationwide. They want to
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be where they can walk to things. Automobiles are a big deal, but
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maybe not as big a deal as what it was for us. We wanted
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to be able to have a two car garage, you know, and cardboard
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or whatever. But a lot of these people they want to be able to
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ride their bike. They want to be able to walk to these places.
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Breweries are huge, art is huge, experiences are huge. It's just kind
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of a I'm kind of a geek about this stuff. I guess it's just
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kind of different in the different in the different age groups. And that's what
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we need more of in West virgin I'm fifty three, not me. You
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need people that are a lot younger than that to want to come in,
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and it seems like you're kind of offering that on the West Side. Yeah.
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Yeah, I think, you know, cities go through life cycles,
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and uh, you know, post World War Two, we we as you
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say, we have sort of the cul de Sac movement, white picket fences
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and people. Yeah, they we sort of left our downtowns, we disinvested
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in our downtowns. And I think we're we're moving back and we in some
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ways we kind of ignored thousands of years of city development, you know,
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heuristic things that we learned just through natural, organic downtown living, kind of
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living next to each other, walking to work, walking to the parks.
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So yeah, I like to I'd like to think that I'm helping us in
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this part of our community. Sort of get back to that. You know,
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we we do a lot of mixed use components. We have apartments above
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these these shops that we have. That's how it used to be. So
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sometimes you'll have the shop owner living upstairs, so the lights don't turn off
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after five o'clock. The neighborhood doesn't die after five o'clock. You still got
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people walking their dogs, cooking dinner on the second, third floors of these
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buildings. And that's the way it used to be. And uh, and
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so you know, i'd like to I'd like to help our our city with
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its next iteration ty interesting stuff. I could spend an entire show talk about
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stuff, because I said, I'm kind of a geek about this stuff.
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I'm kind of a geek in general. But I appreciate you being here.
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Man, thanks a lot. He's here, and I have a happy holiday
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and what I was reading and hearing yesterday and this morning. Jeff's going to
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join us with the newsroom. There have been some developments in that story in
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Jeff will join us to talk about that a little bit later on. Rob
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Corneli Us is here. I never know how to address you, Rob.
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Are you Republican, operative, Republican strategists all around? Good guys? Advocate
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for America, Advocate for America. Rob Corneli, I like that. You
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know that's fair. We've done that a few times, and Robbie reached out
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to me last week about coming on today to share a story. Now we
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can add investigative reporter at least investigative investigator to your title. Well, I
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mean I'm always working on something. I'll put it in the hands of Brad
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or one of the other able journalists in the state. But I think a
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big turn is a big story about month, month and a half ago in
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Charleston that I don't think anybody's really followed up on a going forward on.
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There was a dude who was working through COVID at DHHR and related departments,
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got federally indicted about six weeks ago, and the charge was for effectively line
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to the Feds lined no grand jury. But the underlying stuff was the state
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had been cheated by a vendor on COVID tests. State had sent him about
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forty plus million to an out of state vendor called Maverick Labs, which didn't
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really seem to have any history or basis other than a couple of corporate filings.
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And this guy, pretty tim pretty as a dude works for the government,
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was let go from this job and was accused by the FEDS of lying
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to them because apparently he invoice let this company in voice the state for forty
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million of our dollars and only had proof they had done about ten fifteen percent
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of the tests which the state had been built at eighty to one hundred dollars
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a crack. And it's it's kind of a bigger thing. I think it
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was going to be a lot more prosecutions coming from this US attorney down here.
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Over all the money slashing around during COVID and how a lot of it's
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gone into money heaven and local pockets and out of state pockets. But this
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is just really really fascinating. And this this company seemed to appear out of
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nowhere, this Maverick Health, Maverick Labs, out of Florida. There's no
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real ties here. There's no obvious tie except for one if you start going
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back through their corporate filings, one of two things is true. They are
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either an arm or a wing of United Health and a company called Optum who
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provides all the state health insurance PIA is one of the biggest state contracts in
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the state, or they're faking it and they're using their information to start this
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business and run all this lab testing with the US traorne As says, the
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state's already been cheated out or probably in the area of forty million dollars just
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for starters. I mean, how did you stumble onto this? I mean,
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what are the idea for you to look into this? I read the
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indictment of this tim pretty guy again. He was a mid level staffer at
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DHHR and apparently his pay doubled and tripled during COVID because he was working a
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ton of overtime. There prayers be some questions about that as well, but
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doesn't appear to be any sort of criminal mastermind or anything like that. But
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all through this indictment that references to this company a that he was doing business
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with, that he was in communications with, and while he got in trouble,
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he apparently, based on what we're reading the indictment of the allegations,
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he just basically lied to the FBI and said he was doing his job checking
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all these contracts. If we send out ten million dollars, then there is
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you know, ten thousand COVID tests to go with it or over to match,
22:30
and apparently none of that was getting done, but he told him it
22:33
was. It's classic. This guy apparently was doing a terrible job at his
22:36
job and didn't want to tell Spior someone who asked him problems me a lie
22:40
to the FEDS you're a line of the FEDS. That's felony. Well,
22:42
why I was in Company A is listed all through this indictment, and the
22:45
indictment is clearly telling you a story. More is coming. Company A is
22:48
in trouble. Who the heck is Company A? And Maverick Labs is a
22:52
company It just started in West Virginia. I think that the formation date in
22:56
max office was into twenty twenty and was all of a sudden immediately k new
23:00
business in twenty twenty one. In other states, Maverick Labs had operated under
23:03
the name Optum Labs. Optum is the biggest division of United Health. So
23:10
why would then all this testing with whose state being done at you know,
23:12
VFDs, drug stores everywhere, you know, back when we're doing like Obama
23:17
Obama phone tents, but for testing everywhere? Why was an out of state
23:21
provider on an emergency contract getting the bulk of the work over three or four
23:26
local vendors who also are I think the states still not paying to some extent
23:30
a lot there are a lot of money a lot of the local vendors and
23:33
people obviously questions for everybody, you know, what's what's going on, Who's
23:37
cheating the government. But if you have an out of state concern getting all
23:40
this stuff and they're tied to somebody much bigger, United Health and Florida,
23:44
there's a lab number, there's an NPI number. If you're a doctor or
23:47
a nurse, an NPI. Basically every health facility, pharmacy, doctor,
23:51
clinic, van kind has an NPI, which is like an EI NI so
23:53
security number for your medical office. The NPI all these tests go back to,
23:57
and all their corporate funds go back to is to a United Health lab
24:02
and a medical building in West Palm. So your your prediction would be that
24:07
eventually there are going to be some major heads going to roll in this and
24:10
some men dive as Will Thompson's gonna get involved with that. What you're saying,
24:12
I think so, and this this company, all the names, it
24:15
goes back to his three or four dudes in Florida who have New York ties.
24:18
A couple of guys went to Columbia. But guys have no ties here,
24:21
No no plot thickens. I mean, there's there's they have no obvious
24:23
tie here other than one of two things. They're they're they're cheating, they're
24:27
where they're attempting to cheat, you know, rip off simps here or someone
24:33
if they are with United Health, someone directed that contract, because the United
24:36
Health is a huge provider here in the state, huge, the biggest.
24:38
If you're ever going to p I A and I file with p I A,
24:41
that card in your wallet, that's United Health. That's your health management
24:45
organization or more equivalent. Are other you mentioned, you know, having talks
24:48
of Brad and some other folks in the and in the media. I do
24:52
a lot of things outside you know that when you know a lot of I
24:55
won't speak for them, but a lot of times when a Brad or a
24:56
Steve Adams or somebody has something good, I probably done something like work.
25:00
And I've been doing this for twenty years. Usually it's political. Usually it's
25:03
you know, break somebody's jaw. But this is just interesting. Not literally,
25:07
No, it's a metaphor. Everything was a metaphor, Dave, everything's
25:10
a metal. But this is this is very, very curious. And I
25:12
think Will Thompson and and the FEDS, the guys down the street understand who
25:18
company is beyond just Maverick Labs and Maverick Health. I mean it's a comedy
25:22
company. One of their websites literally is one of those like pre format of
25:26
websites. We just take what's there, says they do line care, trash
25:29
removal, oh and medical testing. Well yeah, that it makes perfect sense.
25:33
It's like we use that Latin in your word press or whatever. You
25:36
can tell it's fake. How fake. They already know. It's probably thirty
25:38
five or forty million dollars fake. At least that's what the indictment says.
25:41
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you don't know can't hurt you. I want to get you your take on
26:02
some political things here with mister Corneliyes. What do you think of Senator Mansion
26:06
not running for reelection. I think he's going to go fight windmills for a
26:08
couple of months and be a celebrity and have people want him calling Mitt Romney
26:14
get a lot of attention, But I don't think that third party thing goes
26:17
very far. If you understand the mechanics of how hard it is to get
26:18
people on a ballot in fifty states plus territories where they're all asynchronous, they
26:23
all operate on different schedules, different requirements, so many petitions, some need
26:27
money, some have a different calendar. I think the odds of getting anyone
26:32
on that many ballots is hard. And again, how do you agree on
26:34
three guys that nobody really likes but we always kind of think okay? And
26:38
that being like say him Romney and that Maryland governor, who are all playing
26:41
around in this process? Yah, Larry. I mean, the whole thing
26:44
about the middle is people don't have strong feelings about the middle. How do
26:47
you get folks to vote for someone who is branding themselves in the middle,
26:51
you know, if you're not forced to make some sort of comprorise, people
26:53
go to one pole or the other. It seems to me that the middle,
26:59
and maybe I kind of fall in that category sometimes, but the middle
27:02
just seems like people that are just poed at the other two sides, right,
27:06
and The problem is when you give them a middle choice, one of
27:08
these three guys with some other vanilla choice, it's not a very strong magnet.
27:11
It doesn't pull people along. People will say to you in a poll,
27:15
yeah, I want a nice moderate position, but they never choose that.
27:17
When you give them three ice cream flavors, they never pick vanilla or
27:19
beige or whatever metaphor you have for boring or mental. People say that's what
27:23
they want. They really have the courage to vote for it. What about
27:26
the Senate race between Governor Justice and Congressman Alex Money, Well, you saw
27:30
the spin start up a million bucks in for Mooney. Mitch mcconnel's people are
27:36
coming in with about four hundred k for Justice, which they need to do
27:38
because he doesn't have the ability to spend money. That's the bigger issue.
27:44
I mean, if there's a fastball coming in that race, it's five days
27:47
away. It's in a court in Martinsville, Virginia on Monday, where they're
27:51
going to tell Carter Bank, who the governor owes hundreds and millions of dollars
27:53
to, whether they can take his stuff or not. You know, if
27:56
you want to buy the Greenbrier booth Goodwin's numbers in the boat firms down the
28:00
street. But that's what this is down to. Like there's long, story
28:04
is short. The very vast simplification of this is does Carter Bank get to
28:07
sell the Governor's stuff or not? And that's on Monday, and Carter Bank
28:11
is in real trouble because they can't sell the governor's stuff and get a three
28:14
hundred million plus he owes them in the first trunch. Ten percent of their
28:18
assets, ten percent of their loans are with the governor like that three hundred
28:22
million. That's the entire value of their stock. If they don't get that,
28:25
their post regularly should come in a long time ago. So they need
28:27
this process to speed up, and they if they're looking for buyers of the
28:32
Greenbrier, I guess i'd call Booth Stuart Stuart versus mccusky for ag mccusky one
28:40
hundred percent. There's not a worse person on our side than Make Stewart.
28:42
Why do you say them? Who wants to talk to him, who wants
28:47
to be around him? Is there a worst clubhouse guy who talks more than
28:49
Max Stewart? No? He is absolutely well harsh, don't you think rong
28:56
worst clubhouse guy I've ever met. Period. Okay, people don't want to
29:00
be around him. Find some friends of his. I'm sure he's got friends,
29:03
are you sure? Well? I mean I would think keep looking.
29:08
Greg Thomas when he's on the show, says that Patrick Morrise is the worst
29:11
human being ever. Yeah. Well Greg's wrong sometimes too, so am I
29:15
That's going to be an interesting race, But I think it's Patrick's to win
29:18
New Pole yesterday as a plus plus fifteen plus sixteen. What do you think
29:22
of him not taking part in the debate tonight? Doesn't matter, doesn't need
29:26
to be there. See, I got I got issues with it. I
29:27
got issues with Trump not being in the presidential debate too, But I have
29:30
issues with Trump. So the only people that complain about the debates and people
29:33
who aren't winning on any side, well a, but people that are on
29:36
the outside though, I mean, like you get people that are just regular
29:38
dudes, you know, that want to want to hear what he has to
29:41
say, and he's not giving them that. I'm not saying he won't.
29:42
He will eventually, but no how I figure he will. He's certainly not
29:47
going to hide from hide from a camera. He doesn't do that. I'll
29:49
give you that, but no, the problem is people are not going to
29:52
make the decision based on whether someone doesn't debate. They're clearly not going to.
29:56
That's not that's not a deciding factor. Going to signing these candidates based
30:00
on policy if they care enough to vote. And again, a primary voter
30:03
cares enough to find out. People who just vote in the general in an
30:07
every four year presidentially are a different voter than people who are going to show
30:10
up for this one. Talk about then, I keep hearing that Chris Miller
30:12
goes Chris Miller is a very wealthy individual. He's not going to run from
30:15
that. I mean, he'll tell you that. I mean that Chris Miller
30:18
is going to put a whole lot of money into this race after the first
30:22
of the year, and that it could be enough to hop he was talking
30:25
about cliches or to move the needle. Do you think that that that's the
30:29
case. I think he's the only one in that race with any room to
30:32
grow substantially more. Patrick can grow to fifty. Miller can clearly grow much
30:37
higher than the ten or whatever he is in the most recent racket polling.
30:41
The issue with that is you're in a four way race, there's not a
30:45
lot of undecided. His newest poll came out yesterday as undecided. I went
30:48
fifteen sixteen seventeen in that area. It's not forty or seventy like in these
30:52
down ticket races. No one's ever heard of these people running for ouditor or
30:55
actimission or whatever. You have less room to grow, you have a shorter
30:57
runway, and you have a narrower one becausehen people were already committed to Mac
31:02
or Patrick or somebody else. You've got to make the sale to one,
31:06
strip them away, bring them through undecided or a middle unaffiliated, and then
31:11
bring them through to you. And that's not an instant process. It's not
31:14
like one ad for Chris Miller will all of a sudden twenty people off of
31:17
Patrick directly to Chris Miller. That's impossible. That's not how this works.
31:22
It's never one piece of information unless it's something ludicrous like folks and cheap or
31:26
whatever. It is. Literally, it's a process. The cheap reference we've
31:30
had on the show in a lot fair No, but you have to start
31:33
early, and you have to move people through independent, around affiliated to give
31:36
them to you. And a race where eighty five percent of people at least
31:38
have a horse already or at least starting with one that's harder to do.
31:42
This is not a Bill Maloney a twenty eleven situation where seven er cent of
31:47
people have no idea before the race starts. What do you think of Steve
31:51
Williams, the Huntington mayor, former legislator. He is going to be the
31:55
Democratic nominee. My take on Steve Williams, I think Steve has been an
32:00
effective mayor in Huntington. I spent a lot of time in Huntington. If
32:04
you see Huntington now compared to what Huntington used to be, it's got its
32:07
issues, but it's way better now that it used to be. I think
32:10
he's probably I mean he's not Steven Smith, which is a good thing.
32:13
I think he's probably going to be the best, the best option that they
32:17
have on the Democratic side. It still has no chance in my opinion.
32:21
But your take on Steve Williams, he's he's a very nice man. I'm
32:25
glad he's taking this opportunity to run and fill the ballot. You know,
32:29
there's a little bit of mansion there. He'll do better with women because women
32:30
will think he's pretty. The older women love Joe Mansion. Older women will
32:36
love Steve Williams, but not enough to move the needle. This is still
32:37
a sixty five thirty five and two to one kind of race. But I'm
32:40
glad they're at least putting on someone who's not insane. So that is really
32:45
nice progress. So you think, as it stands right now, you think
32:46
Patrick Morris will be the next governor West Virginia. Yeah, barring barring some
32:51
sort of huge externalities. Yes see, because I know a lot of the
32:54
Chamber of Commerce type folks. I don't mean necessarily the Chamber of Commerce,
32:58
but I mean a lot of those type business people. They're wrong a lot.
33:02
Well, but they're hitching their wagon to Chris Miller because he's a businessman.
33:06
Well, no, they're hitching their wagon to work, happitough. But
33:07
what I've been a lot of are hitching their wagon to car dealers. Chris
33:12
millerber card dealer's another chamber. That's a different issue. I'll put it this
33:15
way. Anything you hear from anyone in Charleston that lives in two five three
33:19
one four that's the zip code up the hill up around GW, ignore it.
33:22
Because it's almost always wrong politically. I've said that for twenty years.
33:24
I've been writing a lot. Don't listen to those people. All they do
33:28
is talk to each other and don't have any sense for what's going on in
33:30
Jane lou period. All right, let me get this one in here,
33:32
Secretary of States race. It's crowded field. Putnam County Clerk Brian Wood,
33:37
Delegate Chris Pritt, former Delegate Ken Reid, former House Minority later Democrat turned
33:40
Republican dougts Cat tomorrow night, expected during an event at the Culture Center on
33:44
the Capitol grounds at former state Party chair Chris Warner, brother of Mac current
33:49
holder of that office, is expected to announce he's going to run for that
33:52
seat that his brother currently holds. Yeah, it was amazing when he bankrupted
33:57
the state Republican Party. The time they let him be in charge. I'm
34:00
not sure necessarily the winners in that field. Yet the strongest hand to play
34:04
and hands me a little to say this is a scaffhand because I know it
34:07
can spend the money. I don't know that anyone else there can or will
34:10
spend the money. Read spend a little bit of money. When he ran
34:13
for Congress in fourteen, if you brought that level of money into it again,
34:17
maybe he's got a shot, so he's from panhandled person. But in
34:22
my mind, the hand I'd want is the scaff hand. What about Brian
34:27
would? I mean Brian Wood? Here's there's really to know about Brian Wood.
34:29
He's county clerk. Yep, he's going to have the support of the
34:31
other county course because he's one of them, you know, probably down a
34:36
little bit on the money. He can't compete with the money wise, but
34:38
I don't think anybody's going to outwork the guy. I mean your thoughts.
34:42
It's a very southern West Virginia thought. What's the value of everyone in the
34:45
courthouse knowing everybody to every other the courthouse? How much influence those people have?
34:49
And the problem is once some money hits this race and someone's willing to
34:53
spend low six figures and that changes everything period. You know. I wish
34:59
it was that. I wish everyone. I wish we could have a nice
35:01
four hundred level poly syd class chat every day on the show. I wish
35:05
we could just meet people and win with reality. If someone slaps four and
35:07
a grand on a table and move to the front of that line. It's
35:09
a money gang because it's any money is speech. Yeah, like it or
35:14
not, money is speech. It is rare that anyone is clever enough or
35:17
good enough at this to get enough free media. The only person can do
35:22
that's Trump doesn't need to spend. I like the governor doesn't have to spend.
35:25
All right, let me get your take on this. And it's about
35:29
you. Oh cool, there is because I know you love you some you
35:30
sometimes you don't love yourself. Who will? All right? So there has
35:36
been some speculation that you yourself, mister Canelius. Last year were at a
35:39
time you were on the show, you kind of alluded that you might look
35:44
at running for some sort of an office. At some point we talked about
35:46
auditor. As good as I would be at that, I'm probably not in.
35:51
Again, you need to be able to self finance that. I'm not
35:52
sure the winners in that field yet, I don't know. Again, someone
35:58
shows up and slaps low six figures on table, moved to the front of
36:00
the line, and no one's in that race. He has done that or
36:02
showing the ability to do that. When they do, they move to the
36:06
front of the line. The one complicating factor personally, of the three householder
36:10
by far the best. He's an adult, you know, he's got experience
36:14
doing this. He wants to do the right stuff. But he's not going
36:16
to have all the Eastern Panhandle vote. If the lady from Jefferson County stays
36:19
in, that's gonna be split. If you can come out in that race,
36:22
it raises no money. Got six people no money. If you're the
36:23
only person with the Eastern Panhandle, that's a great start. If we're all
36:29
playing with no resources. But if they're going to split the EP and that
36:30
that really weakens him. So you're out though, basically, that's what I'm
36:35
saying. You've did at this point. You've got some other here's the thing
36:37
moving. You have some other things that you can't because you're like me.
36:40
You've got like fifteen other jobs, fifty others that you do. Yeah,
36:44
one one, I do some radio in another state, and the second I
36:46
announced for something. I'm off that. But the bigger picture is, frankly,
36:52
money and timing. If if I get a check between now and January
36:55
twenty sixth or whatever, so listening funds, yeah, I'm not so listening
37:00
no check, but yes I get it all right. Well, you know,
37:02
I know you do a lot with Ohio University. Tonight you sound state
37:06
basketball. Well, let me just say you need to do something about your
37:08
highway patrol officers. I got because I got my first speeding ticket in thirty
37:13
seven years of driving on my way to Ohio University's campus, and I'm not
37:16
happy about it. Oh yeah, because you were there to film a couple
37:19
of West Virginia kids that are playing on our teams. Yes, we have
37:22
a gwkd on men's basketball. He's red shirting this year. Ben and gull
37:25
on women's basket team for Parkersburg. Maddie. Yeah, well maybe I shouldn't
37:30
have been doing seventy three and a fifty five. It was a little hot
37:31
in Meg's County. They have nothing to do but ticket on that super too,
37:36
Just just trust well for what it's worth, the comprovise. The couple
37:37
was super super nice about op pros. He said, oh, he said,
37:42
I got to give you a citation and I said, I'll accept that.
37:44
Ohps, total pros. I wish we had that setup. Are our
37:46
state troopers get stuck doing off the map stuff like the glorified shaff stuff OHP's
37:52
a good operation. Yeah, well they got they got this. They got
37:54
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A man is in custody after allegedly stabbing his mother and a ten year old
41:16
boy to Death's a bizarre story. Jeff Jenkins joins us from the newsroom to
41:21
talk about it. Jeff, Good Morning, The story's posted on the website.
41:24
What do we know this morning? Okay, so what's new this morning,
41:27
Dave is now Charleston Police have released the name of the mother, who
41:32
is cost sixty two year old Sherry Gene Russell. And so it's a lessa.
41:39
That's her son. And you've got his name right there in front of
41:42
you. He allegedly got it right there. Yeah. Actually I don't have
41:47
it right in front of maybe. Okay, okay, I'm sorry, I
41:50
didn't bring up No, actually been saying it all morning. Yeah, I
41:52
don't have it just anyway. She So he is charged with killing his mother
42:00
and a ten year old boy. Now we don't have really much beyond that
42:07
other than he's charged with killing. And what we do know, according to
42:09
the criminal complaint, is that he showed up at Dutch Miller Auto down on
42:15
a Corcor Avenue in South Charleston yesterday afternoon and told a worker there he was
42:22
looking for a car because he had just killed somebody or killed a couple of
42:25
people. So, of course police responded. They found out where that was,
42:31
where he said that was, They responded, and this is folks are
42:37
familiar, this is Vandalia Terrace. So Vendelia Terrace apartments are basically right off
42:45
Canal Turnpike right on the South Charleston Charleston line, so it's like a stone's
42:51
throw from Joplin Park in South Charleston, so it's kind of in. It's
42:53
in that and you access those actually from Canau Turnpike right there near South Trust,
43:00
although they were in Charles's Trust's City police are investigating. That's where the
43:04
bodies were found in one of the apartments and criminal complaints say that both of
43:08
them were stabbed, the mother up in the neck area and it just didn't
43:14
give a lot of details on the boy but just saying that he died of
43:16
stab wound. So and his name has not been real Yeah, the person,
43:22
the perpetrator, this is Nicholas David Hanshaw. That was his name.
43:25
And I can't imagine Jeff just trying to be, you know, somebody working
43:29
there in Dutch Miller and just you know, normal normal day at the car
43:31
dealership when somebody comes in covered in blood, was splattered splattered in what it
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was saying, I need to buy a car because I just killed someone.
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And we find out later it's Shulman's mother and a ten year old and obviously
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there's no motive at this point. We don't have it from Charleston police.
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I don't know if they exactly know. I mean, I'm sure they're trying
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to, you know, trying to investigate to see what that was. I
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don't know right now, the ten year old boys connection, was it,
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you know, A grandson, a son. I mean, we just you
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know, we don't know that. You know, we don't know that right
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now. So hopefully there'll be more information. But you know, it was
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actually pretty quick, pretty quick work by police, and I mean they only
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found out about because he shows up at this dealership Hanshaw does and that's how,
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you know, everybody kind of got on it. But it's tragic and
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to say the least. And so we'll find out more information. He's he's
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in jail without bail. He was arraigned, and so that's that's where it
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is, all right, Jeff's a bizarre, tragic story. I appreciate you
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joined us man. We'll following up the city, the place open and get
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some more information. You're going to be available on the air and on all
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the websites of the socials, all right, Jeff, I appreciate it man.
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Remember there's power and privilege in the d uh Texas. Chris Miller is
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mccusky that in the race for Attorney general. And Stuart has zero friends.
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Man, people hate nothing Mike Stewart and his friends. He's got friends,
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I'm sure he does. Texas, very few people actually like Mike Stewart.
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