Latest / Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood / 175. The Texarkana Moonlight Murders - Part II
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- 0:12Speaker 1: Hello delicious friends, and welcome back to Who Did What Now?
- 0:16Speaker 1: The history podcast that is not your history class with
- 0:20Speaker 1: me your host Katie Charlewood, history hard and reader of books.
- 0:26Speaker 1: And this is part two of the Texarkana Moonlight Murders
- 0:32Speaker 1: when in nineteen forty six, over a span of ten weeks,
- 0:36Speaker 1: a killer or killers stocked lover's lenes, spreading fear and
- 0:43Speaker 1: panic throughout the region, which of course was spurred on
- 0:47Speaker 1: unsurprisingly by the press. Now, this again is part two,
- 0:52Speaker 1: So if you haven't listened to part one, you're gonna
- 0:55Speaker 1: want to go do that because that gives us our
- 0:58Speaker 1: context and the first attacks. Now again this is our
- 1:04Speaker 1: blanket blanket warning. It's just best to do it again,
- 1:07Speaker 1: your blanket trigger warning. This is a series of attacks
- 1:12Speaker 1: and murders from nineteen forty six. I am going to
- 1:16Speaker 1: be as clinical as possible when discussing attacks and injuries. However,
- 1:24Speaker 1: if you feel uncomfortable, if you feel like this is
- 1:27Speaker 1: going to cause you any distress whatsoever, with the discussion
- 1:30Speaker 1: of murder, violence against men, women, children, sexual assault and suicide,
- 1:37Speaker 1: these are all going to be discussed in this episode.
- 1:40Speaker 1: And if this is going to cause you any issues,
- 1:42Speaker 1: I'm going to suggest gently that you exit stage left
- 1:47Speaker 1: and we'll catch you next time. That being said, this
- 1:50Speaker 1: is a series on nineteen forties crime that we are
- 1:53Speaker 1: covering this month because what better way to start the
- 1:56Speaker 1: new year than with nineteen forties crime. Specifically, mainly so
- 2:01Speaker 1: I can do this voice, and a few other reasons.
- 2:05Speaker 1: There's actually considerably less gibber jabber in this episode, specifically
- 2:11Speaker 1: because specifically because I have a lot to get through.
- 2:14Speaker 1: This is information dense, So get a snack, get a blanket,
- 2:19Speaker 1: curl up. If you've got a task that's gonna require
- 2:24Speaker 1: an hour or more to do, then roll on up.
- 2:27Speaker 1: Because this is this is this is gonna be a lot. Okay,
- 2:36Speaker 1: So without further ado, I know, okay, quit you're not gibble
- 2:40Speaker 1: jabble and fact me and fact you. I will because
- 2:45Speaker 1: all the sources are listed in the previous episode. Now,
- 2:50Speaker 1: without further ado, I also did comfortably good. Then let's
- 2:56Speaker 1: begin to Tixarcana was still celebrating the end of the
- 3:02Speaker 1: war as spring approached in nineteen forty six, the town
- 3:07Speaker 1: quickly letting the attack on the couple on Lover's Lane,
- 3:10Speaker 1: Mary Jean Larry and Jimmy Hollis fade into a convenient memory,
- 3:17Speaker 1: something from the past by a stranger passing through, perhaps,
- 3:21Speaker 1: or even a targeted attack on the couple. But yeah,
- 3:26Speaker 1: it was in the past. Spring was nearly here, and
- 3:29Speaker 1: the general consensus amongst townsfolk and police alike was peaceful
- 3:34Speaker 1: and somewhat optimistic. Even the Texarcana Gazette would write in
- 3:41Speaker 1: good weather, families in nice residential sections sit on the
- 3:45Speaker 1: front podges with supper sipping as teas. They swung on
- 3:50Speaker 1: porch swings, rocked in ruckers, and spoke to neighbors walking
- 3:55Speaker 1: home from a movie or from church. Few people locked
- 3:59Speaker 1: doors or window The only shades pulled down were in
- 4:02Speaker 1: bedrooms or bedrooms. All in all, it was just a
- 4:08Speaker 1: normal springtime in Texarcana. It was the twenty fourth of
- 4:15Speaker 1: March nineteen forty six, and rain had been bucketing down
- 4:19Speaker 1: in Texarcana since the night before with no intention of stopping.
- 4:25Speaker 1: A lone motorist who for the record, was never publicly identified,
- 4:33Speaker 1: and he is braving the downpour at around quarter past
- 4:38Speaker 1: eight so eight fifteen that Sunday morning, most likely heading
- 4:42Speaker 1: to work or to church. It's Sunday, you know, or
- 4:46Speaker 1: perhaps because he didn't want to be identified. He was
- 4:50Speaker 1: leaving somewhere slightly more unsavory, like a brothel on the
- 4:55Speaker 1: outskirtsled down. I'm just floating the idea. Okay, okay, listen,
- 5:00Speaker 1: things are about to get dark, so let's have a
- 5:03Speaker 1: moment of humor. So, as he's traveling, he sees a
- 5:07Speaker 1: car parked beside rich Road, which is now South Robinson,
- 5:12Speaker 1: which is about like three hundred feet away from Highway
- 5:15Speaker 1: sixty seven West for people who like their geography. At first,
- 5:20Speaker 1: he thinks the nineteen forty one old mobile sedan is
- 5:24Speaker 1: stuck in the mud, you know, because they're rain and all.
- 5:29Speaker 1: Then as he's approaching the vehicle, he sees a couple
- 5:34Speaker 1: who appear to be asleep, and, being a good Samaritan,
- 5:38Speaker 1: he parks up, gets out of his car, and goes
- 5:41Speaker 1: on to check on what he believes are a stranded couple.
- 5:45Speaker 1: Maybe they need a lift into town, maybe they need
- 5:48Speaker 1: a toe who knows the would be rescuers concern soon
- 5:53Speaker 1: turned to shock when he finally got close enough to
- 5:56Speaker 1: see the couple slumped in the sedan. The sight of
- 6:01Speaker 1: blood forced the man to retreat back to his own
- 6:04Speaker 1: car and speed into town. Where he alerted the police.
- 6:08Speaker 1: So because the Oldsmobile was parked about a mile outside
- 6:13Speaker 1: the city limits, this fell under the jurisdiction of County
- 6:17Speaker 1: Sheriff Bill Presley. William H. Presley from the previous episode
- 6:23Speaker 1: we've met him before, and he is accompanied to the
- 6:28Speaker 1: scene by Jackson Neeley Runnelds the Texarkhan, a chief of
- 6:33Speaker 1: police on the Texas side. Sheriff Presley made his way
- 6:37Speaker 1: to the crime scene on Rich Road with the Chief
- 6:40Speaker 1: in Toll. When they arrived at the scene, they found
- 6:44Speaker 1: two victims in the blood stained Oldsmobiles sedan's back compartment sidebar.
- 6:52Speaker 1: There were going to be very few sidebars in this
- 6:54Speaker 1: because I don't simply have time, so I tried to
- 6:59Speaker 1: find a crime scene photo because like this is the
- 7:03Speaker 1: time period where you get crime scene photos. They're everywhere, right,
- 7:07Speaker 1: and I was looking not for any sense of morbidity
- 7:11Speaker 1: or to look at the bodies, but honestly to have
- 7:15Speaker 1: a better understanding of the car. Because the old Medial Sedan,
- 7:20Speaker 1: the one that's the nineteen forty one, it had three
- 7:23Speaker 1: versions and they were all slightly different. So I was
- 7:28Speaker 1: trying to like understand the positioning in the car because
- 7:33Speaker 1: they're different, and that's it kind of threw me off
- 7:35Speaker 1: because I don't know vehicles that well. So in the sedan,
- 7:44Speaker 1: the male victim's body was in a kneeling position on
- 7:47Speaker 1: the floorboard between the front and back seats. His forehead
- 7:52Speaker 1: was resting on crossed hands, his pockets were outturned as
- 7:57Speaker 1: if emptied. The female victim was faced down on top
- 8:03Speaker 1: of a blanket on the back seat, and beside her
- 8:07Speaker 1: was her open purse or handbag. Both of the victims
- 8:12Speaker 1: appeared to be fully dressed, and both had been shot
- 8:15Speaker 1: in the back of the head. Blood from the pair
- 8:19Speaker 1: had seeped from one of the sedan's rear doors and
- 8:23Speaker 1: stained the running board. No evidence collection It was always
- 8:29Speaker 1: going to be difficult with the rain, but even more
- 8:32Speaker 1: so it was hindered by the crowd that was amassing
- 8:36Speaker 1: at the crime Zne. Good news travels fast, but bad
- 8:41Speaker 1: news travels faster. Even still, the two lawmen were able
- 8:46Speaker 1: to spot bloodstains some twenty feet away from the vehicle,
- 8:50Speaker 1: enough not to have been washed away by the downpour,
- 8:55Speaker 1: so much, in fact, that Presley and Reynolds determined that
- 8:59Speaker 1: one or both of the victims were slain on the
- 9:03Speaker 1: sandy loam and then put back in the car. So
- 9:09Speaker 1: this would mean that the crime scene was staged. But
- 9:13Speaker 1: for why to cover up the motive with the outturned
- 9:17Speaker 1: pockets and open parts, it could easily be assumed to
- 9:20Speaker 1: be a robbery. Was it to delay discovery of the bodies?
- 9:25Speaker 1: Or was there any relevance to the manner in which
- 9:28Speaker 1: the victims were posed? The lack of details in this
- 9:33Speaker 1: is frustrating, and that's without more discrepancies that we will
- 9:38Speaker 1: get to in a minute. So the female victim, she
- 9:43Speaker 1: was faced down? Was she in a specific position? Was
- 9:48Speaker 1: she splayed? Was she curled up? Was she posed in
- 9:53Speaker 1: a manner that was meant to embarrass or shame her?
- 9:57Speaker 1: Or was she posed in a manner to cover up
- 10:00Speaker 1: and save her dignity? Was their shame? Was their fear right?
- 10:06Speaker 1: The male victim was in a kneeling position with his
- 10:10Speaker 1: head resting on his crossed hands, Like does that symbolize
- 10:15Speaker 1: remorse or shame? Like on your knees facing your hands?
- 10:19Speaker 1: Like again, is it remorse? Is it dignity? Why? Like?
- 10:26Speaker 1: We don't have enough description of how the female victim's
- 10:30Speaker 1: body was positioned, and that to me is an issue.
- 10:38Speaker 1: But I feel like it's one of those things where
- 10:40Speaker 1: old timey cops were like, well, let's not be too
- 10:42Speaker 1: graphic about this. It did not take long for the
- 10:48Speaker 1: sheriff and the police chief to identify the victims, probably
- 10:52Speaker 1: because there was a massive crowd who went I know
- 10:55Speaker 1: that car Richard Griffin was a twenty nine year old
- 11:01Speaker 1: veteran who had served in the usc b's Construction Battalion
- 11:06Speaker 1: and was discharged in November nineteen forty five, two months
- 11:10Speaker 1: after the war had ended. Richard, at the time of
- 11:13Speaker 1: his death, had been living at home with his mother
- 11:16Speaker 1: on Robinson's Court on Texarkana's Walnut Street. Pollyanne Moore was
- 11:22Speaker 1: seventeen years old, a recent graduate of Atlanta High School.
- 11:26Speaker 1: She had been working at the Red River Arsenal as
- 11:29Speaker 1: a checker since July nineteen forty five. Pollyanne had not
- 11:34Speaker 1: been living at home. She had actually moved to Texarkana
- 11:38Speaker 1: and was staying with her cousin Ardell at a boarding
- 11:41Speaker 1: house on Magnolia Street. Now, staying in a boarding house
- 11:45Speaker 1: or a rooming house was very common for young women
- 11:49Speaker 1: at the time because it gave them somewhat level of
- 11:53Speaker 1: independence but also protection, like they were supposed to be
- 11:57Speaker 1: respectable if they were staying in these in these places
- 12:00Speaker 1: is now Polly Anne and Richard had been dating for
- 12:06Speaker 1: around six weeks since early nineteen forty six, and before
- 12:10Speaker 1: you ask no, no one thought the twelve year age difference.
- 12:14Speaker 1: Was it all an issue. The couple had spent much
- 12:19Speaker 1: of Saturday, the twenty third of March together. They had
- 12:23Speaker 1: been spotted at a cafe around two pm on West
- 12:26Speaker 1: Seventh Street. Later that evening, they visited another cafe on
- 12:32Speaker 1: the same street, this time with Richard's sister Eleanor and
- 12:36Speaker 1: herbo Ja Proctor. Now I did read in one of
- 12:46Speaker 1: the many many articles and reports that after that, like
- 12:52Speaker 1: even later on, that the couple had gone to a
- 12:55Speaker 1: midnight movie and then to a diner for a snack,
- 12:59Speaker 1: after which they left. Now, I couldn't find like corroborating
- 13:07Speaker 1: evidence for that in any of the official files, but
- 13:12Speaker 1: like I have seen it in two or three places,
- 13:16Speaker 1: so we don't know. What we do know is that
- 13:19Speaker 1: their date ended Sunday morning, with Richard Griffin and Pollyanne
- 13:25Speaker 1: Moore leaving separately. Both were loaded up into ambulances. Richard
- 13:32Speaker 1: was brought to the TEXA Connor funeral home and Pollyanne
- 13:36Speaker 1: was taken to the Hanner Funeral Home in Atlanta, Texas,
- 13:40Speaker 1: and they were thirty two miles apart. Pollyanne was taken
- 13:45Speaker 1: to the Hanner Funeral Home in Atlanta, Texas, and they
- 13:49Speaker 1: were thirty two miles apart. Now, remember when I mentioned
- 13:54Speaker 1: discrepancies earlier, Well strap in. What everyone does agree on
- 14:02Speaker 1: is that both victims were shot in the back of
- 14:04Speaker 1: the head with a thirty two caliber pistol. There was
- 14:08Speaker 1: no weapon found at the scene, and as such, a
- 14:10Speaker 1: murder suicide could be ruled out. However, Elviier report stated
- 14:18Speaker 1: that each victim was shot once, but later reports claimed
- 14:24Speaker 1: that Richard had in fact been shot twice. Then there
- 14:30Speaker 1: was another report, published decades later and filled with so
- 14:35Speaker 1: many errors consecutively, one after another in a row. It
- 14:42Speaker 1: says that they were both shot twice, which is like
- 14:47Speaker 1: nothing contemporary. Nothing contemporary even suggests that both of them
- 14:52Speaker 1: were shot twice. But of course it's it's in so
- 14:55Speaker 1: many podcasts and articles because it's more dramatic, I guess.
- 15:02Speaker 1: But wait, there's more. The ballistic accounts include one, two
- 15:09Speaker 1: and several cartridge cases found in and around the vehicle,
- 15:15Speaker 1: but an FBI memo states that only two shellcasings and
- 15:19Speaker 1: one slug were recovered from the scene. I'm not done.
- 15:26Speaker 1: There was an FBI memo from the fifteenth of May
- 15:29Speaker 1: nineteen forty six that stated no useful fingerprints were retrieved
- 15:33Speaker 1: from the car. However, seven months later, another FBI document
- 15:41Speaker 1: requests a comparison of suspect prints with the and I
- 15:46Speaker 1: quote unidentified lightens found it that crime scene. And if
- 15:53Speaker 1: you guess that the forensic confusion would end there, you
- 15:57Speaker 1: guessed incorrectly. Try again next time. There were conflicting reports
- 16:04Speaker 1: regarding the possible sexual assault of Polly Anne Mooor. An
- 16:09Speaker 1: FBI memo said that her corpse was delivered two morticians
- 16:13Speaker 1: for embombing without any tests for sexual assault. The seventeen
- 16:19Speaker 1: year old was discovered in a state of well dress
- 16:23Speaker 1: as opposed to undress, and the Texarkana Gazette reported that
- 16:27Speaker 1: her corpse was examined by a local physician who ascertained
- 16:31Speaker 1: that she had not been and I quote criminally assaulted.
- 16:38Speaker 1: Criminal assault was a common euphemism for rape back in
- 16:41Speaker 1: the day. However, there were four Texas Ranger files that
- 16:50Speaker 1: state the girl was in fact raped, and later articles
- 16:54Speaker 1: would suggest even for the injuries. Two months after her death,
- 16:59Speaker 1: news paper articles would claim that Polly Ann had been
- 17:03Speaker 1: horribly mutilated by a sex maniacal killer. In nineteen fifty four,
- 17:09Speaker 1: journalists would report that the girl had been where they
- 17:13Speaker 1: got the information? Well, whom's to say? Maybe they got
- 17:18Speaker 1: it from one of the rangers, Maybe they pulled it
- 17:21Speaker 1: out their arses. Whoms to say? Then, of course we
- 17:26Speaker 1: have the FBI report, which, yeah, it says that both
- 17:32Speaker 1: victims were shot in the vehicle, but local authorities, their
- 17:37Speaker 1: reports say that they were shot outside the vehicle and
- 17:41Speaker 1: then brought back in. But of course, and Allegedli's. The
- 17:49Speaker 1: blood found on the sandy loam was tested and it
- 17:52Speaker 1: was concluded that it could only have been Polly Anmour's,
- 17:56Speaker 1: not Richard Griffin's. But here's the thing. We don't have
- 18:04Speaker 1: an autopsy report, so we can't confirm what happened to
- 18:07Speaker 1: that poor girl. What we do know is that the
- 18:10Speaker 1: authorities believed the local authorities at least believed that she
- 18:15Speaker 1: had been wrapped, and the amount of hiplas surrounding the
- 18:20Speaker 1: crime scene meant that it was compromised, which was par
- 18:24Speaker 1: for the course back then. But with a double murder
- 18:28Speaker 1: on their hands, the Texarkana authorities knew that they were
- 18:31Speaker 1: in above their heads and they needed help. It became
- 18:37Speaker 1: a multi agency endeavor. Bowie County teamed up with Miller
- 18:42Speaker 1: County Police Force, and the Texas Rangers sent one of
- 18:45Speaker 1: their top men. You heard me, top men. Texas sent
- 18:53Speaker 1: in Jimmy Gear Texas Ranger the day after the bodies
- 18:57Speaker 1: were discovered. Naturally, everyone was shocked at the double murder,
- 19:03Speaker 1: but it hadn't been connected to the earlier crimes, the
- 19:08Speaker 1: attacks on Mary Jean Larry and Jimmy Hollis not yet
- 19:15Speaker 1: and it hadn't really affected people on a grand scale.
- 19:19Speaker 1: They were still out and about living their lives, and
- 19:24Speaker 1: the authorities were searching for leeds like They questioned nearly
- 19:29Speaker 1: sixty potential witnesses in three days, including the staff and
- 19:34Speaker 1: patrons of the nearby Club Dallas, and they even put
- 19:38Speaker 1: up a five hundred dollars reward for useful information. Unfortunately,
- 19:45Speaker 1: as we know, money is a great incentive for people
- 19:49Speaker 1: to lie, and the police here they're swimming upstream against
- 19:54Speaker 1: one hundred false leads. The inquest merely stated the couples
- 20:00Speaker 1: were murdered for reasons unknown by people or persons unknown,
- 20:07Speaker 1: and then everyone just moved on with their lives. It
- 20:15Speaker 1: was Pam Sunday nineteen forty six, so that's the Sunday
- 20:19Speaker 1: before Easter, so during Lent Heathens sorry cradle Catholic. So
- 20:26Speaker 1: just after April the fourteenth, G. H. Weaver was traveling
- 20:30Speaker 1: with his wife and their son from their home in
- 20:32Speaker 1: Summer Hill Road and were heading to Prescott, some forty
- 20:35Speaker 1: miles northeast of Texarkana. The family had not gotten far
- 20:41Speaker 1: when they were met with the sight of a man's
- 20:43Speaker 1: body laying on the north shoulder of the North Park Road.
- 20:48Speaker 1: The bloody clothes and lack of movement left no doubt
- 20:50Speaker 1: in their minds that the man was dead, and so
- 20:53Speaker 1: they continued on just six hundred feet up the road
- 20:55Speaker 1: to the house of Harvey Ward, who immediately called Bowie
- 20:59Speaker 1: County Sheriff's office. The officers arrived on the scene and
- 21:05Speaker 1: quickly confirmed that the man was in fact dead and
- 21:09Speaker 1: a victim of homicide. The victim was carrying his ID
- 21:14Speaker 1: in his pocket and as such was easily identified, and
- 21:20Speaker 1: he wasn't a man. He was a boy, sixteen year
- 21:25Speaker 1: old James Paul Martin from Kilgore in Texas, had been
- 21:29Speaker 1: shot four times. Now discrepancies sometimes you will see his
- 21:38Speaker 1: age listed as seventeen. He was three weeks shy of
- 21:43Speaker 1: his seventeenth birthday. He was still sixteen when he was murdered,
- 21:50Speaker 1: and he had been shot four times. One bullet entered
- 21:54Speaker 1: his face just to the left of his nose. Another
- 21:58Speaker 1: had gone through the back of his neck and exited
- 22:00Speaker 1: through the front of his head near his right ear.
- 22:04Speaker 1: A third bullet had pierced his shoulder from behind, and
- 22:07Speaker 1: there was a final bullet wound in his right hand.
- 22:11Speaker 1: Like that, that's a defensive wound. Police reconstructed the scene,
- 22:16Speaker 1: concluding that James Paul Martin had raised his hand in defense.
- 22:20Speaker 1: He was shot in the face first and then he
- 22:23Speaker 1: had been shot from behind as he tried to flee.
- 22:28Speaker 1: Police were able to follow a trail of blood that
- 22:31Speaker 1: led to a roadside fence across North Park Road and
- 22:36Speaker 1: into Spring Lake Park. The teenage boy had managed to
- 22:42Speaker 1: crawl towards the road trying to escape, trying to find
- 22:46Speaker 1: safety when he did not survive, and he had only
- 22:53Speaker 1: been in town since Friday, like this is Sunday morning. See,
- 22:58Speaker 1: his family had moved to kilgarl but they had previously
- 23:01Speaker 1: lived in Texarcana for years, and so he was in
- 23:06Speaker 1: visiting and he was staying with his friend Tom Albatrin
- 23:10Speaker 1: on Locust Street. Now Tom informed investigators that his friend
- 23:15Speaker 1: had what he called a date the night before with
- 23:18Speaker 1: longtime friend Betty Joe Booker. That same morning, fifteen year
- 23:25Speaker 1: old Betty Joe Booker's mother, Bessie, was worried. She was
- 23:29Speaker 1: supposed to have been at a sleepover with friends, but
- 23:33Speaker 1: she hadn't arrived. At six o'clock that morning, her friends
- 23:39Speaker 1: had called Betty Joe's bandleader and her mother trying to
- 23:43Speaker 1: figure out where she was. Betty Joe had been playing
- 23:48Speaker 1: saxophone with the local band, the Rhythmires, at a dance
- 23:52Speaker 1: of the Veterans of Foreign Wars Building. Whenever she played
- 23:56Speaker 1: and was heading anywhere afterwards, she always dropped her saxophone
- 23:59Speaker 1: at home. This time she had not, and so her
- 24:05Speaker 1: anxious mother called the authorities, and Tom Alberton confirmed that
- 24:11Speaker 1: James Paul Martin was supposed to pick Berry Joe from
- 24:14Speaker 1: the dance and bring her to the sleepover, and he
- 24:18Speaker 1: referred to this as the date. I'm I'm not sure
- 24:23Speaker 1: that's much not going to it anyway. With the teenager missing,
- 24:28Speaker 1: police and volunteers alike searched for her. The body of
- 24:33Speaker 1: Berry Joe Booker was discovered by three of her friends
- 24:37Speaker 1: several hours later, brothers George and James Boyd and Ted Shawby.
- 24:44Speaker 1: The boys found their friend behind a tree near Morris Lane,
- 24:49Speaker 1: which connects Summer Hill and Richmond Roads. Now, this was
- 24:54Speaker 1: about a mile and three quarters from where her date
- 24:58Speaker 1: had been found Betty Joe. She had been shot twice.
- 25:03Speaker 1: One bullet had penetrated her face just like Martin's, to
- 25:08Speaker 1: the left of the nose, the other through her chest.
- 25:13Speaker 1: Betty Joe was fully dressed, Her coat was buttoned all
- 25:17Speaker 1: the way up, and her right hand was in her pocket.
- 25:22Speaker 1: That girl was posed. That is a pause, but it's
- 25:27Speaker 1: more respectful in her pose, like it's very casual on
- 25:32Speaker 1: my hands in my pocket. James Paul Martin's car was
- 25:37Speaker 1: discovered near the main entrance of spring Lake Park, three
- 25:41Speaker 1: miles from Beery Joe's crime scene and a mile and
- 25:44Speaker 1: a quarter from his. The keys were still in the ignition.
- 25:51Speaker 1: Unlike the previous murder, the police had a more accurate
- 25:55Speaker 1: time frame. The couple had last been seen at the
- 25:58Speaker 1: end of the dance the v W Hall at two am,
- 26:03Speaker 1: and a resident of Morris Lane had heard a gunshot
- 26:06Speaker 1: around five thirty am. Now here's the thing about gunshots
- 26:14Speaker 1: in Texas and Arkansas, that's not that surprising, so it
- 26:21Speaker 1: wouldn't have specifically raised any flags at the time, But
- 26:24Speaker 1: in conjunction with this other information, it all marries together.
- 26:30Speaker 1: So that's like three and a half hours. Almost six
- 26:36Speaker 1: cartridge cases and four projectiles were discovered around the teenage
- 26:39Speaker 1: boys car, all from a thirty two caliber pistol and
- 26:43Speaker 1: all with the same markings as the weapon used to
- 26:47Speaker 1: kill Richard Griffin and Polly Anne Moore some three weeks prior.
- 26:52Speaker 1: Several unidentified fingerprints were discovered on the car as well,
- 26:58Speaker 1: but the FBI could not firm if they had the
- 27:01Speaker 1: killer's prints on file, but they had enough markers that
- 27:04Speaker 1: if the police had a suspect they could compare and
- 27:08Speaker 1: possibly catch. So unsurprisingly, things get messy when it comes
- 27:16Speaker 1: to info with Betty Joe's body. Sheriff Bill Presley had
- 27:21Speaker 1: told the papers that apart from being shot, the body
- 27:25Speaker 1: had not been abused. However, other papers would share that
- 27:31Speaker 1: both victims showed signs of struggle, and one even claimed
- 27:35Speaker 1: that the girl had been bruised and lacerated. If you
- 27:42Speaker 1: look at the crime scene photos of this case, there
- 27:47Speaker 1: is no way to know that from the photos alone. Anyway,
- 27:54Speaker 1: what the sheriff was trying to do was notake details
- 27:58Speaker 1: to the press as do not impede the investigation because
- 28:02Speaker 1: whatever happened with Pollyanne Beery. Joe's body was examined by pathologists.
- 28:11Speaker 1: Betty Joe Booker's vagina was swabbed and tested positive for semen.
- 28:16Speaker 1: No foreign pubic hairs were discovered amongst her own. However,
- 28:20Speaker 1: semen was found on her pubic region. A sealine solution
- 28:25Speaker 1: wash of James Paul Martin's penis showed that he had
- 28:28Speaker 1: not ejaculated, and as such, the semen found on and
- 28:32Speaker 1: in Betty Joe's body could not be his. With this information,
- 28:37Speaker 1: authorities ruled out consensual sex and concluded that the teenage
- 28:42Speaker 1: girl had been raped by her murderer. The assault had
- 28:47Speaker 1: been withheld from press along with the discovery of the
- 28:51Speaker 1: young man's pocket book. It wasn't even withheld. I mean
- 28:57Speaker 1: it was withheld from the press, but it wasn't just
- 28:59Speaker 1: with held from the press right the pocketbook. Sheriff Presley
- 29:05Speaker 1: found it and then didn't tell anyone else about it,
- 29:10Speaker 1: Like very few investigators knew about the existence of this
- 29:14Speaker 1: because he was keeping things very close to his chest.
- 29:21Speaker 1: What was not discovered, however, was Betty Joe's e flat
- 29:25Speaker 1: alto saxophone, a Bundy model serial number five two five
- 29:30Speaker 1: three five. The description was sent to pawn shops and
- 29:34Speaker 1: music stores across the Tri state area just in case
- 29:38Speaker 1: it surfaced, like it's it's an instrument, Like that's worth money,
- 29:44Speaker 1: you know, if you're short in cash, it makes sense
- 29:47Speaker 1: to just pawn it off get something from it, you know.
- 30:01Speaker 1: Now I'm going to take a minute to talk about
- 30:03Speaker 1: the victims, because they're often mentioned, like just to further
- 30:07Speaker 1: the story of the killer, like they become footnotes in
- 30:12Speaker 1: their own murders. But these were real, living people, teenagers
- 30:19Speaker 1: whose lives were cut short because some arshoul wanted to
- 30:22Speaker 1: cause pain to fuel his fantasies. Like it's not a
- 30:27Speaker 1: simple robbery or a crime of convenience, Like there's nothing
- 30:32Speaker 1: to gain here except his own gratification. So James Ball Martin,
- 30:39Speaker 1: he was born in Smackover, Arkansas. He had three older
- 30:43Speaker 1: brothers like he was the baby of the family. His
- 30:47Speaker 1: family ran an ice business, but they located to Texarcana
- 30:51Speaker 1: because his mother felt it was a safer place to
- 30:53Speaker 1: raise a family. And this boy, he was quiet, a
- 30:58Speaker 1: hard worker, and he even went to the same elementary
- 31:01Speaker 1: school as Berry Joe, and they both attended the same church,
- 31:06Speaker 1: the Beech Street Baptist Church every single Sunday. They knew
- 31:11Speaker 1: each other since kindergarten. Now, a lot of the times
- 31:15Speaker 1: when they frame this, they say he was seventeen and
- 31:19Speaker 1: she was fifteen. He was sixteen. He was three weeks
- 31:23Speaker 1: off his seventeenth birthday and she was about two months
- 31:27Speaker 1: off of her sixteenth birthday. They were sixteen and fifteen,
- 31:31Speaker 1: and they were really close in age. After completing ninth
- 31:37Speaker 1: grade at Arkansas Junior High School, he transferred to the
- 31:40Speaker 1: Gulf Coast Military Academy and then he enrolled in the
- 31:45Speaker 1: Kilgough High School in nineteen forty five. Classmates would say
- 31:50Speaker 1: that he was incredibly sweet in kind and that he
- 31:56Speaker 1: had no enemies. Betty Joe Booker would have been sixteen
- 32:02Speaker 1: in the June of that year. A milestone. This amazing
- 32:07Speaker 1: girl was stopped from reaching. She was a junior at
- 32:11Speaker 1: Texas High School, a member of the Delta Beta Sigma sorority.
- 32:16Speaker 1: And she was friendly and outgoing and popular. She's the
- 32:21Speaker 1: definition of she'd light up her room, you know. She
- 32:24Speaker 1: was a straight a student and a gifted musician. Like
- 32:28Speaker 1: she was such an accomplished saxophone player that professional musicians
- 32:33Speaker 1: were encouraging her to enter a career in music. But
- 32:38Speaker 1: Beery Joe, she was more practical in her consideration for
- 32:41Speaker 1: career choices. She wanted to be a medical technician. She
- 32:46Speaker 1: played sax because she loved music, she enjoyed it, but
- 32:51Speaker 1: she wanted a career that was more stable. Unlike James
- 32:57Speaker 1: Paul Martin, she hadn't moved much with regards to text Arcana.
- 33:02Speaker 1: A year earlier, her widowed mother, Bessie, had remarried and
- 33:06Speaker 1: they moved in with her stepfather, Clark Brown, crossing the
- 33:11Speaker 1: border from Texas to Arkansas. Like still in Texarcana, but
- 33:17Speaker 1: just on the other side of the street. Really, friends, family,
- 33:23Speaker 1: and fellow musicians were all a bit surprised that the
- 33:27Speaker 1: teenagers had driven to spring Lake Park because like typically
- 33:33Speaker 1: Jerry Aitkins of Jerry Aitkins and the Rhythmayres would drive
- 33:37Speaker 1: the female band member's hope right. That was sort of
- 33:41Speaker 1: a deal that he had with their parents. They were like,
- 33:43Speaker 1: you can play, but he is to get you back. Occasionally,
- 33:48Speaker 1: Ernie Holcombe, who was another saxophone player on the Rhythmayres,
- 33:52Speaker 1: would take that responsibility. On April thirteenth, that Saturday night,
- 34:00Speaker 1: Ernie was supposed to drive all four female players home,
- 34:04Speaker 1: but Beery Joe declined, saying that she was waiting for
- 34:07Speaker 1: a friend, and earlier in the day she had told
- 34:12Speaker 1: friends that she didn't really want to go out with Martin,
- 34:15Speaker 1: but she felt like she had to see him because
- 34:17Speaker 1: they'd been friends since they were kids. So he picked
- 34:22Speaker 1: her up and was supposed to drive her home to
- 34:26Speaker 1: drop off her saxophone and then onto the slumber party.
- 34:31Speaker 1: Like he told his friend that it was a date,
- 34:33Speaker 1: and she told her friends that she wasn't romantically interested
- 34:37Speaker 1: in him. Now there's so much we don't know. Was
- 34:42Speaker 1: she trying to be nice and just accept a ride
- 34:45Speaker 1: from him. Was he actually into him but didn't want
- 34:48Speaker 1: to say because of propriety and social standards regarding women
- 34:52Speaker 1: and girls at the time. Was he just being friendly
- 34:57Speaker 1: or was he hoping to take this crush to the
- 34:59Speaker 1: p and show how the stars and maybe get a
- 35:02Speaker 1: smooth or two like Was he just trying to do
- 35:06Speaker 1: a nice thing or was he expecting more? Or did he,
- 35:11Speaker 1: as the quiet, shy guy, not think there was ever
- 35:14Speaker 1: going to be any more of it. Did they deliberately
- 35:18Speaker 1: go to the park or were they forced there? Again,
- 35:23Speaker 1: we don't know, because these two kids were murdered. The
- 35:31Speaker 1: double murder a month prior barely had a ripple effect
- 35:34Speaker 1: on the twin city, but this, the attack and murder
- 35:39Speaker 1: of these teenagers, sent shock waves through Texarkana. After the
- 35:45Speaker 1: homicides at Spring Lake Park, everything changed. Teens who had
- 35:50Speaker 1: been so far unfazed were no longer sneaking out or
- 35:54Speaker 1: parking in their father's cars. People were locking their doors,
- 35:59Speaker 1: and those associated with the victims were thinking and overthinking,
- 36:05Speaker 1: searching for some clue about who could have done this.
- 36:09Speaker 1: Even Jerry Aitkins and the Rhythmaires dissolved, and after the
- 36:14Speaker 1: loss of Berry Joe Booker, they never played together again.
- 36:20Speaker 1: The second double homicide had riddled tix Arkana with panic
- 36:23Speaker 1: and fear. It was now that the press gave the
- 36:26Speaker 1: assailant his moniker, the Phantom Killer. Like I mentioned locking doors,
- 36:34Speaker 1: but This went even further. Actually, stores were sold out
- 36:38Speaker 1: of dead bolts and locks and screen door braces. Like
- 36:44Speaker 1: every gun, every piece of ammunition was gone from the shelves.
- 36:50Speaker 1: Hardware stores were cleared out. Anywhere you could get guns
- 36:54Speaker 1: or ammal that was cleared out too. I assume everywhere,
- 36:58Speaker 1: and I don't that's in your gun laws are not
- 37:02Speaker 1: the strictest, and I feel like even less. So back
- 37:06Speaker 1: in nineteen forty six, some people even went full on
- 37:12Speaker 1: boy Scout and rigged up makeshift alarm systems like full
- 37:17Speaker 1: on Maguiva. You know, people were terrified and ready to
- 37:22Speaker 1: shoot at anyone who showed up unannounced. This was common.
- 37:30Speaker 1: So I don't have an exact and exact date for this,
- 37:33Speaker 1: but at some point after Pam Sunday and before May third,
- 37:37Speaker 1: nineteen forty six, Immagen West and her husband Harold, they
- 37:42Speaker 1: were at home one evening on the corner of East
- 37:45Speaker 1: third and Walnut Street. Yeah there's Walnut Street again. They're
- 37:50Speaker 1: doing whatever couples do in the evening, and Harold spot
- 37:55Speaker 1: someone looking through their window. Without gepping a beat, Harold
- 38:01Speaker 1: grabs his gun and rushes to the kitchen door. But
- 38:05Speaker 1: like gun in hand, he's fumbling with the latch and
- 38:08Speaker 1: his gun goes off. Now no one was hurt, but
- 38:13Speaker 1: by the time he got outside, the prowler was gone.
- 38:19Speaker 1: There's a panic, there's a self imposed curfew, like people
- 38:26Speaker 1: are bolting the doors and shooting at anyone unidentified right,
- 38:31Speaker 1: like they're terrified. Like the bustling streets, you know, any
- 38:39Speaker 1: sort of you know, dances or bars or movie theaters,
- 38:44Speaker 1: like people just stop going, like they force themselves into
- 38:49Speaker 1: their home after dark, like they're just gone. And even
- 38:56Speaker 1: the police, if they were showing up anywhere, they would
- 38:59Speaker 1: show like it's the fuzz, Like they would like let
- 39:03Speaker 1: people know that they were there and they weren't to
- 39:06Speaker 1: some random person, even if they were going out to
- 39:09Speaker 1: a call out that had happened. Right, Sometimes they would
- 39:13Speaker 1: just blare their sirens to show it was them and
- 39:17Speaker 1: not a murderer, which fair, very fair. Now, the cops
- 39:26Speaker 1: they they were admittedly struggling. They had a city on
- 39:30Speaker 1: high alert, fear seeping through every corner of the community,
- 39:35Speaker 1: and they had zero leans in this manhunt, but help
- 39:40Speaker 1: was on the way. When it gets to the point
- 39:43Speaker 1: that you've got two double murderers and a masked attack,
- 39:48Speaker 1: people start start paying attention, and the lone Star State
- 39:53Speaker 1: would provide seven additional Texas Rangers, four technical experts, and
- 40:00Speaker 1: eight highway patrolmen. Last, but certainly not least, they sent
- 40:07Speaker 1: the ranger Captain Manuel trasazas lone Wolf Gonzanis. I am
- 40:17Speaker 1: going to cliff notes him a bit here. He was
- 40:22Speaker 1: born in Spain to a Spanish father and Canadian mother
- 40:26Speaker 1: who were both naturalized American citizens living in Texas, but
- 40:30Speaker 1: had gone on holiday to Spain and out he popped.
- 40:34Speaker 1: And he he is a very interesting man, but honestly,
- 40:40Speaker 1: we simply do not have the time to delve into
- 40:43Speaker 1: his life. But basically he was a big shot. He
- 40:47Speaker 1: was known for entering fights alone and exiting them alone.
- 40:54Speaker 1: Now he's called the lone Wolf right in this throughout
- 40:59Speaker 1: the but like his nickname was originally given in Spanish,
- 41:04Speaker 1: which is illobo solo, which I for one thinks sounds
- 41:09Speaker 1: much cooler. Like. For the record, my Spanish impression is
- 41:15Speaker 1: based entirely off of Antonio Banderis, who is a Spanish man.
- 41:19Speaker 1: So yeah, just so you know, this is me in
- 41:24Speaker 1: my Spanish Antonio Bandera's impression. So Gonzalez, he had a
- 41:29Speaker 1: name for himself already and he was causing a star
- 41:33Speaker 1: when he arrived in Texarcana. He had and I'm gonna
- 41:37Speaker 1: say it, big dick energy. He was take charge, and
- 41:42Speaker 1: his sheer force of personality did take charge of anyone
- 41:46Speaker 1: who got too close. The man also like to fit
- 41:52Speaker 1: like we respect the drip in this household like. He
- 41:57Speaker 1: was not a tall man. He was five foot ten
- 41:59Speaker 1: and a half inches, because apparently that half matters. He
- 42:04Speaker 1: was adorned in his stetson, tailored Western attire and custom
- 42:09Speaker 1: made boots. Listen, I'm not into that think is you
- 42:17Speaker 1: know cops, but hmmm, he does. It does sound quite
- 42:23Speaker 1: quite an interesting character to look upon. On each hip.
- 42:28Speaker 1: He wore an ornate sex shooter, a Coult single action
- 42:33Speaker 1: Army Model one eight seven to three peacemakers and to
- 42:38Speaker 1: enable fast raw shooting from spring loaded holsters, the trigger
- 42:42Speaker 1: guards had been cut away. El Lobo Solo told journalists
- 42:48Speaker 1: that he would stay in Texarkana until the madmen had
- 42:52Speaker 1: been caged or killed. And of course the press are
- 42:58Speaker 1: eating this up like media is just fueling the city's hysteria,
- 43:07Speaker 1: writing headlines about sex maniac and phantom killer goes on
- 43:12Speaker 1: killing spree, right and then Waltz's Gonzales, Texas Ranger with
- 43:20Speaker 1: a commanding personality and a sweet sense of style, just
- 43:25Speaker 1: foreign enough to be exotic, but not so foreign as
- 43:29Speaker 1: to be scary. Some colleagues, I said what I said, right,
- 43:34Speaker 1: I said what I said. This is the South of
- 43:37Speaker 1: nineteen forty six. I said what I said. So, by
- 43:44Speaker 1: the way, also, I hear that Texas would not like me,
- 43:47Speaker 1: but Austin and Texas would like me. And so please
- 43:50Speaker 1: please don't ban me from your states. I still want
- 43:53Speaker 1: to come visit you and your rich, rich history. Back
- 43:58Speaker 1: to Gonzalez. Some colleagues felt that the Ranger Captain was
- 44:02Speaker 1: a publicity whore, more interested in looking good for the
- 44:06Speaker 1: press than doing any actual investigating. He was often photographed
- 44:11Speaker 1: at the scene of a crime, and some locals grumbled
- 44:14Speaker 1: that he seemed more interested in escoring pretty female reporters
- 44:18Speaker 1: around than doing any actual detective work. But for all
- 44:24Speaker 1: of the limelight loving, he was actually contributing to the case,
- 44:28Speaker 1: like he wasn't just said in because he was pretty.
- 44:33Speaker 1: At this point, the case had not just caught the
- 44:36Speaker 1: ear of local media. No no, no no, no. Journalists traveled
- 44:41Speaker 1: in and the story like the story of the crimes
- 44:45Speaker 1: went not just national, but international. The press descended on
- 44:51Speaker 1: the town like vulture circling a carcass and just waiting
- 44:56Speaker 1: to get a nibble. They kept eyes on the case
- 44:59Speaker 1: of but the media's circus just helped fuel paranoia and
- 45:04Speaker 1: panic in the town. The lone wolf ranger warned the
- 45:10Speaker 1: Textacana townfolk to not involve themselves in vigilanteism because like
- 45:16Speaker 1: everyone and their granny were armed, and groups of teenage
- 45:20Speaker 1: boys armed with deer rifles and a shipload of Bravardo
- 45:24Speaker 1: patrolled the back roads, driving around ready to confront the phantom,
- 45:30Speaker 1: which for the record, was a damn stupid thing to do,
- 45:37Speaker 1: Like once to stop a panicky teenager shooting someone checking
- 45:41Speaker 1: on their cows at night? Like this is springtime? Is
- 45:44Speaker 1: it not like lambing season? And shit like people are
- 45:48Speaker 1: out you know. Anyway, the thing about paranoia is that
- 45:56Speaker 1: it bred rumor propagation. Right the mill was toning, and
- 46:01Speaker 1: I tell you so many tall tales spread around town.
- 46:05Speaker 1: The killer had been caught, he was hiding in jail.
- 46:09Speaker 1: He had died somehow on the outskirts of town. Like
- 46:12Speaker 1: it got to the point that the police actually had
- 46:15Speaker 1: to hold a press conference telling people to shot the
- 46:19Speaker 1: fuck up, like stop gossiping. But this is a city
- 46:26Speaker 1: gripped by fear? Was the self imposed curfew? Enough? Were
- 46:32Speaker 1: their home secure? Could they drive to work safely? Did
- 46:35Speaker 1: they have enough firepower to stop an attack? And of
- 46:38Speaker 1: course when would the phantom killer strike next? Friday, the
- 46:47Speaker 1: third of me nineteen days since the double murder of
- 46:50Speaker 1: the teenagers, it was unusually dark for eight thirty pm
- 46:54Speaker 1: in May. The evening was warm in Miller County, just
- 46:58Speaker 1: ten miles northeast of TEXASNA, and by nine pm, Virgil
- 47:03Speaker 1: and Katie Stark's farm was pitch black. The five hundred
- 47:09Speaker 1: acre farm and their home sat along Highway sixty seven.
- 47:13Speaker 1: It was a fairly isolated farmhouse in rural Arkansas. Thirty
- 47:18Speaker 1: seven year old Walter Virgil Starks tended the farm with
- 47:22Speaker 1: his wife, Catherine Aila Strickland Starks, who was thirty six.
- 47:28Speaker 1: He would go by Virgil and she would go by Katie.
- 47:33Speaker 1: Virgil also had a welding shop on the property. Neighbors
- 47:39Speaker 1: would often bring their broken farm equipment to Virgil to fix,
- 47:43Speaker 1: and because he clearly wasn't busy enough, Virgil had a
- 47:46Speaker 1: side hustle as a shade tree mechanic, basically doing car
- 47:51Speaker 1: repairs under the table, and like they're a farming family,
- 47:56Speaker 1: it's May, it's springtime. They have clearly been up early
- 48:00Speaker 1: like farmers. They're up at the crackodolan and it is hard,
- 48:05Speaker 1: heavy work. So by nighttime nine pm, Katie is in
- 48:10Speaker 1: her nightgown, lying in bed in the bedroom sort of
- 48:14Speaker 1: adjacent to the sitting room, and Virgil is sitting in
- 48:18Speaker 1: his armchair. He's got a heating pad on his back.
- 48:21Speaker 1: It's aching, listen. He's already in his thirties and he's
- 48:25Speaker 1: doing heavy labor. He needs the heating pad all right.
- 48:29Speaker 1: He's got the radio on, music is playing, and he's
- 48:31Speaker 1: settling in for the night, ready to read the paper,
- 48:35Speaker 1: the text Arcana Gazette. And Katie she thinks she hears
- 48:40Speaker 1: a noise coming from the backyard of again, they're fairly
- 48:44Speaker 1: isolated farmhouse. But she's not sure if she's hearing something
- 48:49Speaker 1: or other. It's just in her head, and so she
- 48:52Speaker 1: calls to Virgil to turn the radio down so she
- 48:55Speaker 1: can listen. But before he gets it's the chance, she
- 49:01Speaker 1: hears the sound of what she thinks is glass breaking,
- 49:05Speaker 1: thinking that Virgil has dropped something. She gets up and
- 49:09Speaker 1: goes through to the living room, and when she reaches
- 49:13Speaker 1: the doorway, her husband is standing up and then suddenly
- 49:18Speaker 1: his body is slumped in the chair. Then she saw
- 49:22Speaker 1: the blood. She rushed over to her husband so that
- 49:26Speaker 1: he was dead, and in a split second, ran to
- 49:30Speaker 1: the telephone. Virgil Starks had been shot twice in the
- 49:35Speaker 1: back of the head by a gunman on the front
- 49:37Speaker 1: porch of the farmhouse. He had shot through the screen
- 49:40Speaker 1: and glass of the window. Kerry didn't see the shutter.
- 49:45Speaker 1: She had gone straight from Virgil to the landline. The
- 49:49Speaker 1: phone was a crank model that was mounted on the
- 49:52Speaker 1: kitchen wall. She got to the phone, lifted the receiver,
- 49:57Speaker 1: cranked the handle twice before two bills it's hit the
- 50:00Speaker 1: left side of her face. One bullet entered through her
- 50:05Speaker 1: cheek and exited by her ear, and another went through
- 50:11Speaker 1: her teeth, shattering them and lodging under her tongue. The
- 50:18Speaker 1: impact caused her to stumble and fall on the floor,
- 50:22Speaker 1: where several of her teeth lay shattered and in a moment,
- 50:29Speaker 1: I'm going to just assume, Fueled by adrenaline, she gets
- 50:33Speaker 1: on all four and manages to grab one of her
- 50:37Speaker 1: teeth with its gold filling intact. The killer was trying
- 50:42Speaker 1: to batter his way in through the kitchen window, and Katie,
- 50:46Speaker 1: with a bullet lodged in her face and vision impaired
- 50:49Speaker 1: by her own blood, said fuck this for a game
- 50:53Speaker 1: of soldiers. It was run or die. She first turned
- 50:58Speaker 1: to run out of the kitchen, but the killers there, well,
- 51:01Speaker 1: he is currently breaking in through that window, and so
- 51:06Speaker 1: she lunged, like knowing her own house, like this is
- 51:10Speaker 1: where they say that in your own home you always
- 51:12Speaker 1: have the advantage because you know it. She lunged through
- 51:16Speaker 1: the master bedroom, along a hallway, through a second bedroom,
- 51:20Speaker 1: out through the living room, across the front porch, and
- 51:23Speaker 1: out through the front door and into the yard, leaving
- 51:27Speaker 1: a trail of blood and broken teeth behind her. She ran.
- 51:33Speaker 1: Katie ran to the highway barefoot, her nightgown drenched in
- 51:37Speaker 1: her own blood. She ran across the pitch black highway
- 51:41Speaker 1: to the nearest house, that of her sister Betty Iona
- 51:45Speaker 1: and her brother in law, Jeff. She banged on the
- 51:50Speaker 1: island's door, but there was no sign of life, and
- 51:53Speaker 1: instead of waiting, she ran to the next house. One
- 51:57Speaker 1: hundred and fifty feet away that of Av Prayter. So
- 52:02Speaker 1: she had lost a lot of blood at this point,
- 52:04Speaker 1: and so she was weakly knocking on the door. Av
- 52:09Speaker 1: answered the door, rifle in hand. Katie managed to gasp
- 52:14Speaker 1: Virgil Is dead before collapsing. AV shot his rifle into
- 52:20Speaker 1: the air, a signal amongst the home and community. A
- 52:23Speaker 1: neighboring farmer, Elma Taylor, showed pretty soon after, and together
- 52:28Speaker 1: they took the semi conscious Katie to Michael Meagher Hospital.
- 52:34Speaker 1: Katie Starks would survive the ordeal, but she didn't see
- 52:39Speaker 1: her attacker and as such couldn't provide a description to
- 52:43Speaker 1: the authorities at the crime scene. The trail of blood
- 52:48Speaker 1: gave the authorities a path to follow. The blood evidence
- 52:53Speaker 1: allowed investigators to reconstruct how the shooting unfolded and also
- 52:57Speaker 1: the position the gunman had been outside. In his rush
- 53:02Speaker 1: to leave the scene, The killer had dropped a two
- 53:05Speaker 1: cell flashlight with a red handle on the ground outside
- 53:09Speaker 1: the window. There were also fingerprints and a palm print
- 53:13Speaker 1: found on the scene, along with shoe prints in the linoleum,
- 53:18Speaker 1: along with three cartage cases and two bullets from a
- 53:21Speaker 1: twenty two caliber rifle that were sent to the FBI.
- 53:26Speaker 1: For testing, and some of these prints on the wall,
- 53:31Speaker 1: like it's noted that there are handprints, as if the
- 53:37Speaker 1: killer had put his hands on the blood, like on
- 53:41Speaker 1: Virgil's blood and then touched the wall, which is I
- 53:46Speaker 1: have a theory, but it's I'm not going to get
- 53:48Speaker 1: into it right now. So when authorities arrived, like the
- 53:55Speaker 1: room was smoky, because when Virtil was shot, the heat
- 54:00Speaker 1: pack shorted, burst into flames and scorched part of the
- 54:04Speaker 1: chair and sort of smoldered into the room. And even
- 54:09Speaker 1: like the Arkansas State Police, like they had reported seeing
- 54:14Speaker 1: like a car on the side of the road, like nearby,
- 54:18Speaker 1: but they didn't think it was anything like that important
- 54:21Speaker 1: because when they returned the next morning, that car was gone,
- 54:25Speaker 1: Like they just didn't think about it or check on
- 54:29Speaker 1: it anyway. Bloodhounds, there's blood. They bring in the bloodhounds,
- 54:38Speaker 1: led by Chief Henny from Hope in Arkansas. He led
- 54:43Speaker 1: with the bloodhounds. They led investigators from the Starks farmhouse
- 54:47Speaker 1: to the highway, then across the pavement and another half
- 54:51Speaker 1: mile away where the scent suddenly stopped right and here
- 54:59Speaker 1: like is they'd seen this car, like it's still far
- 55:02Speaker 1: enough away from all of these sort of houses and
- 55:07Speaker 1: buildings that nobody thought to check anyway. So here where
- 55:16Speaker 1: the scent ended, they found tire impressions in the mud,
- 55:21Speaker 1: and so they took plaster casts of the impressions of
- 55:24Speaker 1: the tracks of the killers get away vehicles, and the authorities.
- 55:30Speaker 1: They ruled out robbery, I mean apart from like, there's
- 55:34Speaker 1: blood prints all over the walls and the furniture, but
- 55:39Speaker 1: there was and the quote is a considerable amount of
- 55:43Speaker 1: cash in the house untouched, along with Katie's jewelry. Right.
- 55:51Speaker 1: The police were puzzled though, like because this attack it
- 55:55Speaker 1: didn't match the previous sprees, like the mo the modus operandi.
- 55:59Speaker 1: It was like, this was an older, married couple at home,
- 56:05Speaker 1: not young lovebirds out in a secluded area. And the
- 56:10Speaker 1: gun used was different like before it was a thirty
- 56:15Speaker 1: two pistol and this was a twenty two caliber rifle,
- 56:20Speaker 1: and the killer shot Katie instead of raping her. This
- 56:26Speaker 1: led to some investigators and later on officials believing this
- 56:31Speaker 1: to be a standalone case. That being said, this is
- 56:38Speaker 1: like pre mind Hunter formal profiling here, like the term
- 56:43Speaker 1: serial killer didn't even exist yet, Like I'm fairly certain now,
- 56:49Speaker 1: doctor Anthony Lapala. He was a psychiatrist at Texarkana's Federal
- 56:56Speaker 1: Correctional Institution, and he believed that the killer was one
- 57:00Speaker 1: and the same for all of the Texarcana slayings, and
- 57:05Speaker 1: that he said, he changed his method of execution, like
- 57:10Speaker 1: from the secluded rendezvous spots because they were being patrolled,
- 57:16Speaker 1: like between that and the self imposed city curfew and
- 57:19Speaker 1: the mounting police pressure. Like that, he changed it because
- 57:27Speaker 1: his hunting ground was no longer available, so he changed
- 57:30Speaker 1: it to a different hunting ground. Like The doctor profiled
- 57:37Speaker 1: the gunman as a white man around thirty to forty
- 57:40Speaker 1: years old, a sexual sadist who was clever, intelligent, and shrewd. See,
- 57:51Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that because even when you take
- 57:56Speaker 1: someone like the Golden State killer, he wasn't necessarily very clever.
- 58:00Speaker 1: He just had a routine that he practiced until he
- 58:05Speaker 1: got it really good, you know what I mean, Like
- 58:07Speaker 1: it wasn't this amazing, And again I'm not. I don't
- 58:12Speaker 1: have time. I don't have time for side bus. So
- 58:19Speaker 1: doctor Lapla also ruled out that the suspect could have
- 58:22Speaker 1: been a black man on the grounds that an African
- 58:24Speaker 1: American criminal could not be that clever. Well, it wouldn't
- 58:30Speaker 1: be old timey psychiatre without a good old dose of
- 58:33Speaker 1: racism in there, eh. Like. Typically when it comes to crime,
- 58:41Speaker 1: a lot of criminals, especially those involved in sexual assault,
- 58:44Speaker 1: tend to do so within their own race, like that
- 58:48Speaker 1: tends to be. But a lot of that is like
- 58:51Speaker 1: social and cultural because it's closer to proximity and ease,
- 58:55Speaker 1: you know. But anyway, regardless, Ell and also so back
- 59:05Speaker 1: to the killer. Now, there's an assumption that even now,
- 59:12Speaker 1: the killer has to have a set routine, like this
- 59:16Speaker 1: is how they kill. This is how they do it.
- 59:19Speaker 1: Like you see it with things like BTK. You see
- 59:21Speaker 1: it with like the way that Dhalmer and Ted Bundy,
- 59:26Speaker 1: like Tim Bundy legs his you know, middle parted brunettes,
- 59:30Speaker 1: and like that's not always the case, right when you
- 59:35Speaker 1: think about the manner in which like he found his victims,
- 59:42Speaker 1: they were secluded, which I think is the main goal.
- 59:48Speaker 1: Like he wants them to be alone to make it
- 59:51Speaker 1: easier for him to do what he wants to do.
- 59:54Speaker 1: He wants to reduce the risk of being stopped, prevented,
- 59:59Speaker 1: et cetera. And like many killers, they adapt in by
- 1:00:04Speaker 1: their mo o's, like for a whole host of reasons.
- 1:00:08Speaker 1: In this case, his usual hunting grounds are barren. And
- 1:00:13Speaker 1: you may ask, why didn't he assault missus Stark's Well,
- 1:00:17Speaker 1: maybe he didn't mean to shoot her in the face.
- 1:00:20Speaker 1: Maybe he was hoping to play with her right, maybe
- 1:00:22Speaker 1: he was hoping to cat and mouse like he'd done before,
- 1:00:25Speaker 1: like we saw with Mary g Now, remember, if he
- 1:00:31Speaker 1: had been prowling around the house, he would have seen
- 1:00:34Speaker 1: that she was laying in bed in her nightgown. He
- 1:00:37Speaker 1: may not have accounted for her getting out of bed
- 1:00:40Speaker 1: so quickly. And then she ran to the phone like
- 1:00:46Speaker 1: that's when she was shot. She was shot when she
- 1:00:50Speaker 1: ran to the phone, like at this point, it's self
- 1:00:53Speaker 1: preservation above gratification. He didn't shoot her when she ran
- 1:00:58Speaker 1: to her husband's side. It was when she had the
- 1:01:01Speaker 1: phone in her hand and was cranking like like he
- 1:01:08Speaker 1: had to stop. Like I think he was hoping to
- 1:01:11Speaker 1: have an easier access route into the house. But like
- 1:01:16Speaker 1: my theory, my personal theory is that he didn't like
- 1:01:20Speaker 1: anyone combating him, so that's why he always removed his
- 1:01:27Speaker 1: sort of primary obstacle, like so he always killed the
- 1:01:31Speaker 1: men first so that they couldn't be involved and he
- 1:01:35Speaker 1: would have more time to play with his victim, and
- 1:01:39Speaker 1: he didn't like it when Mary Jean stood up to him.
- 1:01:43Speaker 1: And I feel like, and I think it's that thing
- 1:01:46Speaker 1: when he isolates his victims. It's so that he has
- 1:01:49Speaker 1: control and power, and he has that level of authority
- 1:01:53Speaker 1: and fear, and so he wants them to whimper and
- 1:01:58Speaker 1: be weak. He wants to have that power and control.
- 1:02:01Speaker 1: But like, here's yet again another woman who's going absolutely
- 1:02:07Speaker 1: fucking not. And so when it comes to the gun
- 1:02:13Speaker 1: as well, Like about the gun, we're in Texas in Arkansas,
- 1:02:19Speaker 1: and I feel like anybody down there post war would
- 1:02:23Speaker 1: have more than one gun. It just feels like if
- 1:02:27Speaker 1: you've got one, you probably have a second right now.
- 1:02:31Speaker 1: And I'm sure people were buying Ammo up, but maybe
- 1:02:35Speaker 1: maybe buying those thirty two calibers might raise some suspicion,
- 1:02:38Speaker 1: or they could have been worried about raising suspicion, and
- 1:02:42Speaker 1: so they just went everybody knows in all the papers, right,
- 1:02:46Speaker 1: everyone knows what kind of gun, so let's switch it up.
- 1:02:50Speaker 1: Or maybe because he knew he would have to attack
- 1:02:55Speaker 1: people in their homes, their rifle was a better I'm
- 1:02:58Speaker 1: a gun expert, but like would a rifle will be
- 1:03:01Speaker 1: better shoulding from the distance? Like would that be a
- 1:03:03Speaker 1: better option for them? Anyway, the killer may have been
- 1:03:10Speaker 1: bolder like during an attack, but that doesn't stop him
- 1:03:13Speaker 1: being paranoid like. And also this is like the first attack,
- 1:03:18Speaker 1: which is on the Arkansas side of Texarkana and the
- 1:03:25Speaker 1: Starks farmhouse, right, it's fairly isolated. If Katie hadn't been
- 1:03:30Speaker 1: a woman of action, who knows, you know, when they
- 1:03:35Speaker 1: would have been discovered. And one more thing, right, I'm
- 1:03:41Speaker 1: gonna columbo it right. I don't know if this is
- 1:03:46Speaker 1: relevant in any way, because I was looking up all
- 1:03:49Speaker 1: of the photos of the victims and one thing I
- 1:03:53Speaker 1: noticed is that all of the women were brunette. Again,
- 1:03:59Speaker 1: I don't know if that's any relevance whatsoever, but it's
- 1:04:02Speaker 1: just something I noticed. But anyway, here authorities they're worried
- 1:04:11Speaker 1: is it a copycat? Or is the phantom killer murdering
- 1:04:16Speaker 1: people in their homes? Has the killer escalated? And does
- 1:04:21Speaker 1: anyone in their town safe? Walter Virgil Starks was laid
- 1:04:35Speaker 1: to rest at two thirty pm on Monday, the sixth
- 1:04:38Speaker 1: of May in Hillcrest Cemetery. Bowie County. Katie, still recovering
- 1:04:44Speaker 1: in hospital, was unable to attend the service. The Starks
- 1:04:49Speaker 1: had been married for fourteen years, and as far as
- 1:04:52Speaker 1: I could discover, they had no children. Katie she survived
- 1:05:00Speaker 1: and even remarried some nine years later to Forest Jerome Sudden.
- 1:05:05Speaker 1: She would continue to live in Bowie County until her
- 1:05:07Speaker 1: death at the age of eighty four, after which she
- 1:05:12Speaker 1: was buried next to Virgil in Hillquest Cemetery. After the
- 1:05:19Speaker 1: attack on the Starks, the investigation turned into one of
- 1:05:23Speaker 1: the largest manhunts in the region's history. There were forty
- 1:05:30Speaker 1: seven officials all together, like from county sheriff departments, Texas Rangers,
- 1:05:38Speaker 1: state police, and even FBI agents and state troopers too.
- 1:05:44Speaker 1: So you have all of these different forces coming together
- 1:05:48Speaker 1: and trying to work together to solve this crime and
- 1:05:50Speaker 1: to prevent more from happening. However, all of these authorities
- 1:05:56Speaker 1: and agencies were on different radio frequencies and communication was slow,
- 1:06:03Speaker 1: which is which is not ideal. So to combat this,
- 1:06:08Speaker 1: they brought in a teletype machine and a mobile radio
- 1:06:12Speaker 1: station into Texarkana to improve coordination. Like this was cutting
- 1:06:17Speaker 1: edge technology at the time, which shows like just how
- 1:06:21Speaker 1: seriously the government was taking it like this was not cheap, right,
- 1:06:26Speaker 1: they were there were spending money for this. The reward
- 1:06:30Speaker 1: fund kept growing, like Virgil's father Jack even offered a
- 1:06:36Speaker 1: five hundred dollars reward for info on his son's death
- 1:06:40Speaker 1: or that would lead to the capture of those who
- 1:06:43Speaker 1: committed it. Now, the reward fund itself for all of
- 1:06:49Speaker 1: the crimes, it had gone to ten thousand dollars like
- 1:06:57Speaker 1: which in today's money one hundred dred and sixty six thousand,
- 1:07:01Speaker 1: two hundred and sixteen dollars and forty one cents. That's
- 1:07:07Speaker 1: that's a lot of mullah, in't it. Right? So this,
- 1:07:10Speaker 1: for the record went unclaimed. So right, Tips and leads
- 1:07:18Speaker 1: were pouring in from all across the nation, and investigators
- 1:07:22Speaker 1: are checking everything by hand. This is analog like the
- 1:07:29Speaker 1: FBI were checking bullet casings and fingerprints against their data.
- 1:07:35Speaker 1: And of course, like so you're trying to compare and
- 1:07:38Speaker 1: contrast all across the entire country, and like you've got
- 1:07:42Speaker 1: jurisdiction issues. You've got all this red tape. Now now
- 1:07:47Speaker 1: see say sidebar, sidebar, You're getting a sidebar because I
- 1:07:52Speaker 1: read all one thousand, one hundred and eighteen FBI memos
- 1:07:57Speaker 1: and documents pertaining to the case. And let me tell you,
- 1:08:03Speaker 1: let me tell you the buroc we say, the bureaucer say,
- 1:08:06Speaker 1: on top of all the paper records checking by aye,
- 1:08:10Speaker 1: it's it's it's a lot of work. And to make
- 1:08:13Speaker 1: mattals worse, right, the lads are coming in, false leads
- 1:08:17Speaker 1: are coming in because again, money is a great incentive
- 1:08:22Speaker 1: for people to lie. So money breeds greed, and so
- 1:08:26Speaker 1: you've got false info, false confessions, the whole shebang. And
- 1:08:31Speaker 1: at one point a neighbor sees lights flashing at the
- 1:08:36Speaker 1: Stark's farmhouse, which at this point has been abandoned, and
- 1:08:41Speaker 1: so he calls the police. They arrive, right, So a
- 1:08:45Speaker 1: bunch of police officers arrive, and they arrive, guns are drawn,
- 1:08:52Speaker 1: and they surround the farmhouse. So yeah, they're surrounding the farmhouse,
- 1:08:57Speaker 1: guns drawn, like, come out with their up situation and downsteps.
- 1:09:02Speaker 1: I swear to fuck Lorne Wolf himself with a lady
- 1:09:07Speaker 1: photographer from Time Life because he's re enacting the crime
- 1:09:12Speaker 1: scene observation for the magazine. But now now I see
- 1:09:19Speaker 1: why people were getting mad at But anyway, Elbo Solo
- 1:09:25Speaker 1: has an idea utilizing all of these teens in the area, right,
- 1:09:32Speaker 1: So they decided it would be a great idea because
- 1:09:36Speaker 1: what they noticed is that these crimes were happening in
- 1:09:39Speaker 1: roughly three week intervals, and they were always at the weekend,
- 1:09:43Speaker 1: sort of Friday Saturday. These were yeah, Friday Saturday. These
- 1:09:47Speaker 1: are the prime killing spots, right, Like, these weren't happening
- 1:09:51Speaker 1: on a Wednesday. They were happening at the weekend. Right,
- 1:09:56Speaker 1: So what they decided to do, because you've got these
- 1:10:00Speaker 1: teenagers ready to throw themselves in the line of fire. Anyway,
- 1:10:04Speaker 1: they had the teenagers act as bait, right, acting as couples.
- 1:10:09Speaker 1: They would park in lovers lane spots right all throughout Texarkana, like,
- 1:10:17Speaker 1: and so they're trying to lure the killer out. So
- 1:10:21Speaker 1: they're just like pretending to be a couple and so
- 1:10:26Speaker 1: like the cops would sort of park a little bit
- 1:10:29Speaker 1: away and watch, or sometimes they'd be hiding in the
- 1:10:33Speaker 1: trees above, which they that party really love them, Like
- 1:10:40Speaker 1: they're just up there in the trees. What are they
- 1:10:42Speaker 1: going to do? Jump down on them like assassin's creed,
- 1:10:44Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? Anyway, They're just they're really
- 1:10:49Speaker 1: good at clemming trees down down that side of the country.
- 1:10:54Speaker 1: So the police, that being said, thought that this idea
- 1:11:02Speaker 1: was a bit risky to, you know, use actual children
- 1:11:05Speaker 1: as bait, and so they use dummies instead. Now, they
- 1:11:12Speaker 1: were doing this sort of from that three week period
- 1:11:15Speaker 1: after the last killing, and they were doing it night
- 1:11:17Speaker 1: after night, and they kept trying this trick, but no vail. Like,
- 1:11:25Speaker 1: first of all, who's to say that this guy, you know,
- 1:11:28Speaker 1: isn't a cop? Right, I'm just spitballing here, Like what
- 1:11:32Speaker 1: if he knows how the authorities are working and that's
- 1:11:36Speaker 1: how he knows how to get away with it. Also,
- 1:11:41Speaker 1: he's been doing this for a while, so he might
- 1:11:44Speaker 1: be well aware if someone is a couple, like if
- 1:11:49Speaker 1: he's stalking couples to find the right ones to kill,
- 1:11:53Speaker 1: Like obviously he doesn't want those who are going to
- 1:11:56Speaker 1: give him too much resistance. So if he's watching them
- 1:12:01Speaker 1: and they're just not properly acting the way he wants
- 1:12:06Speaker 1: them to act, Like yeah, ohso when they're getting these
- 1:12:11Speaker 1: teenagers to act as bait, are they just sitting in
- 1:12:14Speaker 1: the car or are they making teenagers make out in
- 1:12:17Speaker 1: a car to catch a killer? Like what are they doing? Like? What? Oh,
- 1:12:24Speaker 1: is they whip though like the Twin City, it's crawling
- 1:12:27Speaker 1: with plain clothes detectives, you've got rangers, you've got patrol cars,
- 1:12:32Speaker 1: like everyone's on high alert. So it's no wonder that
- 1:12:37Speaker 1: the person might not do that right now, Like the
- 1:12:42Speaker 1: assumption was that he'd gone dormant like a moth in winter,
- 1:12:48Speaker 1: like maybe he'd skip down, or maybe he was injured
- 1:12:51Speaker 1: or in jail or x y z. So by the
- 1:12:55Speaker 1: autumn fall of nineteen forty six, the panic had died
- 1:12:59Speaker 1: down in town, but the search it was always a lot, right,
- 1:13:04Speaker 1: and these officers like they are sifting through buckets and
- 1:13:09Speaker 1: buckets of paperwork, which brings me to Detective Max Andrew
- 1:13:15Speaker 1: tack It from Arkansas State Police, an analytical investigator with
- 1:13:20Speaker 1: a great sense of pattern recognition. Now Detective Max here
- 1:13:26Speaker 1: he had picked up on a trend that no one
- 1:13:28Speaker 1: else had noticed. He spotted that in the days leading
- 1:13:33Speaker 1: up to a major attack, a car had been reported
- 1:13:36Speaker 1: stolen from a and then after each attack, the stolen
- 1:13:42Speaker 1: car was discovered abandoned, like in the same area in Tixar,
- 1:13:48Speaker 1: Canada that they had gone missing from, which is weirdly specific. Right.
- 1:13:56Speaker 1: For example, a car was stolen and returned to Robinson's Street,
- 1:14:00Speaker 1: which is around Robert Griffin's murder, right and around Berry
- 1:14:06Speaker 1: Joe Booker's murder. A car was stolen from a friend
- 1:14:09Speaker 1: of her parents and was later abandoned, right. And there's
- 1:14:13Speaker 1: a few more cases where this occurs, but those were
- 1:14:16Speaker 1: the two was that stuck out to me because these
- 1:14:20Speaker 1: have connections to the victims because Robert Griffins was living
- 1:14:25Speaker 1: on Robinson Street and Berry Joe Bicker it's a friend
- 1:14:28Speaker 1: of her parents. Like there, there's connections there, So tack it.
- 1:14:34Speaker 1: He had a hunch and he followed it. He sticked
- 1:14:39Speaker 1: out a car that was stolen or reported stolen, with
- 1:14:43Speaker 1: the help of Milton Mosier from Hope, Arkansas. And what
- 1:14:47Speaker 1: do you know, a lady came to retrieve the car.
- 1:14:52Speaker 1: A one Peggy Lois Swinney. Missus Peggy Lois Swinney. Her
- 1:14:59Speaker 1: surname was a new one knew that day. In fact,
- 1:15:03Speaker 1: June twenty eighth, nineteen forty six, she had married ewle
- 1:15:07Speaker 1: Lee Swinney in Shreveport, Louisiana. Twenty nine year old Yule
- 1:15:15Speaker 1: Sweeney was a petty criminal known to police for theft, burglary,
- 1:15:20Speaker 1: selling counterfeit coins, et cetera, and his father, this may
- 1:15:25Speaker 1: shock you, was a Baptist minister, which really just added
- 1:15:31Speaker 1: scandal to the whole affair. Yule was six foot tall, stocky,
- 1:15:37Speaker 1: with a light hand and like so he fit the
- 1:15:42Speaker 1: description of who it could be, and authorities were how
- 1:15:46Speaker 1: bit skeptical about him because his crimes that he was
- 1:15:50Speaker 1: involved in her known for weren't necessarily violent crimes, and
- 1:15:56Speaker 1: all the evidence they had was circumstantial. But what they
- 1:16:01Speaker 1: do have right now was twenty one year old Peggy
- 1:16:05Speaker 1: in a stolen car. So Peggy was his wife now,
- 1:16:12Speaker 1: and they were like, let's let's lock her up. Basically,
- 1:16:15Speaker 1: she was detained in lieu of bond and they thought
- 1:16:18Speaker 1: holding her in a cell her husband would come and
- 1:16:22Speaker 1: get her. Spoiler alert, he did not. So she was
- 1:16:28Speaker 1: asked where he was and she said, oh, he was
- 1:16:31Speaker 1: looking to see about a car in Atlanta. Now there
- 1:16:37Speaker 1: is the possibility that Yosweeney married Peggy, so the fuzz
- 1:16:43Speaker 1: couldn't make her testify against him because there's a thing
- 1:16:47Speaker 1: called marital privilege. Right. So he was the prime suspect,
- 1:16:52Speaker 1: and he was in areas where crimes occurred, and he
- 1:16:55Speaker 1: had the right attributes, but Texas lost. Marital privilege can
- 1:17:01Speaker 1: be invoked by a spouse of a criminal, meaning you
- 1:17:05Speaker 1: cannot force a wife or husband to testify against their spouse,
- 1:17:12Speaker 1: like you cannot comply them to do so. It is
- 1:17:14Speaker 1: a marital privilege to withhold any right to testify, right,
- 1:17:20Speaker 1: And so, yeah, it wasn't that much of an issue
- 1:17:25Speaker 1: because like he just left her in jail and they
- 1:17:30Speaker 1: basically catch him like hot, like he's stealing a car
- 1:17:34Speaker 1: or they catch him, right, and when he's arrested, like
- 1:17:38Speaker 1: he asked the deputy. He's in the car and he
- 1:17:41Speaker 1: asks him, and this is really suspicious, right, He's like,
- 1:17:45Speaker 1: what do you think they'll do to me for this?
- 1:17:48Speaker 1: Which implies, it does imply that he did something worse
- 1:17:54Speaker 1: than just steal cars. While he was in custody, Active
- 1:18:00Speaker 1: searched his previous residencies. In a rooming house where they
- 1:18:05Speaker 1: had stayed, they found a shirt with a welding slag
- 1:18:08Speaker 1: on it and the names Stark. Right now, again, what
- 1:18:16Speaker 1: an interesting connection. It's got welding slag on it and
- 1:18:22Speaker 1: it appears to have been taken from Virgil Stark's welding shop,
- 1:18:26Speaker 1: and it has part of his name on it. They
- 1:18:30Speaker 1: found other items that they believed belonged to the victims,
- 1:18:34Speaker 1: trophies if you will, now Peggy, Peggy, she I'm not
- 1:18:42Speaker 1: gonna say she was singing like a canary. Like. She
- 1:18:45Speaker 1: told police a lot of stories that sort of supported
- 1:18:49Speaker 1: the idea that Ule was the phantom killer. Like again
- 1:18:54Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's all circumstantial, but it did paint
- 1:18:58Speaker 1: quite a picture. She told them that he had previously
- 1:19:01Speaker 1: owned a thirty two caliber pistol that was now missing,
- 1:19:05Speaker 1: and that he had used it to threaten her. Now, Peggy,
- 1:19:12Speaker 1: she had a troubled upbringing, like she was one of
- 1:19:14Speaker 1: nine children. And so there were two stories that come out.
- 1:19:23Speaker 1: There's one that Peggy said, and there's one that the
- 1:19:25Speaker 1: investigators say. Peggy says that she met Yule when she
- 1:19:29Speaker 1: was in jail and he was visiting another girl, and
- 1:19:34Speaker 1: that you know, sparks flu investigators or one investigator says
- 1:19:41Speaker 1: that Peggy was a twenty one year old sex worker
- 1:19:45Speaker 1: in Texarkana, like working in a brothel and that's where
- 1:19:48Speaker 1: she met him. So Peggy's stories they wobbled a little,
- 1:19:55Speaker 1: and she didn't directly say that Yule was the murderer.
- 1:19:58Speaker 1: And she never incriminated herself the first time she gave
- 1:20:04Speaker 1: a statement. When he was arrested, however, Peggy told police
- 1:20:12Speaker 1: that you had left her in a car in near
- 1:20:15Speaker 1: spring Lake Park on the evening of April's or thirteenth
- 1:20:20Speaker 1: and fourteenth. They had bought twelve bottles of beer on
- 1:20:23Speaker 1: the wet side, and they had been drinking before they
- 1:20:27Speaker 1: went to spring Lake Park to rob someone. And so
- 1:20:32Speaker 1: that's where this goes. Now. On the third statement, she
- 1:20:40Speaker 1: gives like there's a time where Peggy leads officials to
- 1:20:46Speaker 1: like an area like not bang On, but very very
- 1:20:52Speaker 1: close to where James Paul Martin's car had been, and
- 1:21:00Speaker 1: she was able to lead them over to this clump
- 1:21:02Speaker 1: of trees where they'd found like a heal impression from
- 1:21:05Speaker 1: a heigled shoe, Like she was like, oh, and I
- 1:21:07Speaker 1: was over here, so like in that second statement, actually,
- 1:21:11Speaker 1: so she claimed that you'll had you know, she was
- 1:21:14Speaker 1: in the car, she was drinking, and he had taken
- 1:21:17Speaker 1: the little boy and little girl off somewhere while she
- 1:21:20Speaker 1: stayed drinking in the car, where she fell asleep only
- 1:21:25Speaker 1: to be woken by gunshots. And You'll had returned to
- 1:21:29Speaker 1: the car excited and wet, to the knees. So she
- 1:21:36Speaker 1: talks about on the third of May, the couple were
- 1:21:38Speaker 1: staying in a motel and you'll had left only to
- 1:21:41Speaker 1: return with blood over him. Right, He whipt himself with
- 1:21:45Speaker 1: a towel and put it under the mattress. The police
- 1:21:50Speaker 1: found the bloody towel. Now they didn't actually test it
- 1:21:55Speaker 1: for like blood type or anything, but they found a hill.
- 1:22:00Speaker 1: Oh yeah, actually actually initially doing the During the second statement,
- 1:22:04Speaker 1: she said that he had taken the saxophone and then
- 1:22:09Speaker 1: he had sold it in Corpus Christie. Now it wasn't
- 1:22:13Speaker 1: news that the saxophone had been had been missing, like
- 1:22:17Speaker 1: everyone was looking for it, but there was no record
- 1:22:21Speaker 1: of ever being sold because like the Samur numbers a
- 1:22:24Speaker 1: right there. So when she makes her final statement, however, right,
- 1:22:31Speaker 1: she told investigators that the saxophone had been discarded, right,
- 1:22:36Speaker 1: so effectively he threw it over a fence. She's like,
- 1:22:40Speaker 1: here's where he threw it. He was thinking maybe going
- 1:22:42Speaker 1: back for it later. The saxophone was found months later
- 1:22:50Speaker 1: in the area where she said it was, and it
- 1:22:52Speaker 1: was close to where Berry Joe Bicker's body was discovered.
- 1:22:56Speaker 1: But it was like hidden under like leaves and brush.
- 1:23:00Speaker 1: So she also incriminated herself at this point because Peggy
- 1:23:06Speaker 1: told investigators that she had robbed the teenage boy, she
- 1:23:11Speaker 1: had emptied his pockets and discarded like what was in
- 1:23:16Speaker 1: them into a nearby ditch because there wasn't anything of value,
- 1:23:21Speaker 1: and she included in this statement Martin's pocketbook, something that
- 1:23:28Speaker 1: Bill Presley hadn't even shared with other officers. Here's the thing, however,
- 1:23:36Speaker 1: Peggy didn't know about Mardle privilege, and once she did,
- 1:23:40Speaker 1: she recanted everything and claimed that she had made it
- 1:23:43Speaker 1: all up because she was scared of you all, and
- 1:23:46Speaker 1: that she told the cops what they wanted to hear.
- 1:23:51Speaker 1: Without Peggy's testimony, the evidence against her new husband was
- 1:23:54Speaker 1: purely circumstantial. It was strong with his suspicious statements and
- 1:23:59Speaker 1: the theft part, but without the guns involved in the crime,
- 1:24:03Speaker 1: or a confession or an eyewitness statement, the DA didn't
- 1:24:08Speaker 1: feel that the case was strong enough for a jury,
- 1:24:12Speaker 1: and if they tried to use Peggy's previous statements, the
- 1:24:14Speaker 1: defense had the angle of this was an abused woman
- 1:24:17Speaker 1: coerced into lying out of fear. Now. One investigator said
- 1:24:23Speaker 1: basically that Peggy wasn't smart enough to invent consistent lies.
- 1:24:29Speaker 1: What he actually said was a line that I'm going
- 1:24:31Speaker 1: to be using in the future when people say stupid
- 1:24:34Speaker 1: things to me, because I think it's funny. Peggy's bread
- 1:24:39Speaker 1: wasn't baked, the elevator didn't go to the top, like like,
- 1:24:45Speaker 1: it's it's funny. It's mean, but it's funny. So like,
- 1:24:50Speaker 1: the idea is that she was either telling the truth
- 1:24:53Speaker 1: or she was being fed the information. So the authorities
- 1:25:00Speaker 1: they wanted to put Yullswiney away, but they didn't have
- 1:25:03Speaker 1: enough evidence to convict him for the Moonlight murders. They
- 1:25:08Speaker 1: were convinced, or some were convinced, that he was the
- 1:25:10Speaker 1: phantom killer, but they didn't want to risk an acquittal,
- 1:25:14Speaker 1: and of course double jeopardy. Double jeopardy basically means that
- 1:25:19Speaker 1: if you are acquitted of a crime, you cannot be
- 1:25:23Speaker 1: tried for the same crime twice, right, So they charged
- 1:25:28Speaker 1: him with the biggest charge they could against grand larceny,
- 1:25:34Speaker 1: grand theft, oro car theft. He was an habitual car
- 1:25:39Speaker 1: thief and that's not all. He had previously violated parole
- 1:25:46Speaker 1: what was it back in forty five, which he had
- 1:25:51Speaker 1: also violated from a crime that he'd had in nineteen
- 1:25:55Speaker 1: forty one. This is what I'm going to call a
- 1:25:59Speaker 1: back or conviction. This was a way of putting him
- 1:26:02Speaker 1: behind bars. Not quite the justice they wanted, but putting
- 1:26:07Speaker 1: him away. And in nineteen forty seven, and you repeat,
- 1:26:12Speaker 1: a funeral law carried a life sentence. So basically, yeah,
- 1:26:18Speaker 1: if you do it a lot where you're going to
- 1:26:20Speaker 1: the clink. And on April eighteenth, nineteen forty seven, you'll
- 1:26:25Speaker 1: Lee Swinney was pronounced a habitual offender and sentenced to life.
- 1:26:30Speaker 1: And so he returned to Huntsville Prison. And Peggy she
- 1:26:38Speaker 1: wasn't charged. She was granted a divorce from Mule Swiney,
- 1:26:41Speaker 1: and she disappeared into the wind. But she passed away
- 1:26:47Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight in Dallas, and she was buried
- 1:26:51Speaker 1: under her maiden name, Peggy Lois Stevens. She never did remarry,
- 1:26:58Speaker 1: I guess sometimes once enough. Yuo Sweeney, for the record,
- 1:27:05Speaker 1: did not spend the rest of his life behind bars,
- 1:27:07Speaker 1: because after twenty six years in prison, his conviction was
- 1:27:12Speaker 1: overturned on appeal via habbyas Corpus in nineteen seventy three. Basically,
- 1:27:20Speaker 1: he didn't have proper representation back in nineteen forty one
- 1:27:24Speaker 1: for one of his earlier sentences, and as such the
- 1:27:28Speaker 1: habitual offender like that was now void. So he managed
- 1:27:36Speaker 1: to remarry like in prison, of course he did, right,
- 1:27:39Speaker 1: So he remarries and he ends up dying in a
- 1:27:43Speaker 1: nursing home in nineteen ninety four from cancer. AnyWho with
- 1:27:50Speaker 1: YOUO behind bars? Authorities breathed a sigh of relief. They
- 1:27:54Speaker 1: had caught their man, or had they will Lone Wolf Gonzalez,
- 1:28:02Speaker 1: He certainly didn't think so. Like he continued searching for
- 1:28:06Speaker 1: the fantom as late as nineteen sixty, Like, there is
- 1:28:12Speaker 1: a lot, there's a lot of documents in this and
- 1:28:15Speaker 1: like one of the files of correspondence, like it has
- 1:28:20Speaker 1: a person's of interest list of one forty seven names. Now,
- 1:28:26Speaker 1: of course there was a master list on which Yu'll
- 1:28:29Speaker 1: Sweeney is on it, but he's like one of the sixty.
- 1:28:33Speaker 1: Like the thing with this is it's like a jigsaw
- 1:28:36Speaker 1: with a piece that's like almost right, but it's not
- 1:28:39Speaker 1: quite because there are issues with this. Yule's Prince didn't
- 1:28:45Speaker 1: match any of the crime scenes. In fact, the fingerprints
- 1:28:49Speaker 1: at the murder sites are still unidentified to this day. Right,
- 1:28:56Speaker 1: I I have a consideration of a theory, though we
- 1:28:59Speaker 1: do have a theory, especially with the earlier prince. It's
- 1:29:06Speaker 1: that what if it's just terrible police work and compromised
- 1:29:12Speaker 1: crime scenes, Like what if the fingerprints are just people
- 1:29:17Speaker 1: who don't know better and you are like, oh, I've
- 1:29:20Speaker 1: touched this and then I've leaned against the wall, Like
- 1:29:23Speaker 1: what if it's just the cops, or what if it's
- 1:29:27Speaker 1: an onlooker who accidentally leaned against the car, like you know,
- 1:29:32Speaker 1: that's where I think, Like that's that. I'm just saying
- 1:29:35Speaker 1: it's a possibility due to the contamination of the crime scene. Okay,
- 1:29:40Speaker 1: I'm just I'm floating the idea. But here's an interesting one.
- 1:29:49Speaker 1: In May nineteen forty six, twenty one year old ex
- 1:29:53Speaker 1: Army Air Force machine gunner Ralph Bowman turned himself into
- 1:29:58Speaker 1: the LAPD worry that he was the Phantom killer. So
- 1:30:03Speaker 1: he had woken up on May third in San Francisco,
- 1:30:06Speaker 1: his rifle was missing and no recollection of the previous day,
- 1:30:12Speaker 1: and so panicked hearing basically information on the news that
- 1:30:19Speaker 1: described him like six blah blah, and he was like, oh,
- 1:30:22Speaker 1: that sounds like me. What if I did this? He
- 1:30:24Speaker 1: basically blacked out, and so he ended up hitchhiking to
- 1:30:29Speaker 1: La so that he could tell the laped in anyway,
- 1:30:33Speaker 1: I told you I went national, so Bowman. He had
- 1:30:38Speaker 1: previously been diagnosed with psycho as psycho neurotic, and he
- 1:30:43Speaker 1: suffered combat trauma from the Second World War, so it's
- 1:30:47Speaker 1: more that he was just disturbed. Then on the seventh
- 1:30:53Speaker 1: of May, a man's mutilated body was found sprawled along
- 1:30:57Speaker 1: the Kansas City Southern Railroad track about sixteen miles north
- 1:31:02Speaker 1: of Texarkana Errow Clifton mcspadden. He had been run over
- 1:31:07Speaker 1: by a freight train, severing an arm and a leg.
- 1:31:12Speaker 1: Rumor spread. Was he fleeing the phantom or was he
- 1:31:17Speaker 1: the phantom? So unsurprisingly there's an autopsy. The coroner's inquest
- 1:31:26Speaker 1: showed a puncture wound in his head that was either
- 1:31:29Speaker 1: a stab or a gunshot. It was one or the other,
- 1:31:34Speaker 1: and due to the lack of bleeding, his body had
- 1:31:37Speaker 1: been placed on the tracks after death, right, so clearly
- 1:31:43Speaker 1: someone was trying to cover up this. So those are
- 1:31:50Speaker 1: like some considerations. Two years after the murder, there would
- 1:31:56Speaker 1: be another odd turn in the Phantom case. On November fifth,
- 1:32:03Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight, Henry Booker Doody Tennyson was an eighteen
- 1:32:09Speaker 1: year old freshman at the University of Arkansas of Fayetteville,
- 1:32:14Speaker 1: and he had swallowed a lethal dose of poison, thus
- 1:32:18Speaker 1: ending his life. He left behind three notes, none of
- 1:32:24Speaker 1: which have ever been published in full, and he left
- 1:32:28Speaker 1: them for whomsoever found his body. So he ended his life,
- 1:32:37Speaker 1: but he did not do so in his own room.
- 1:32:43Speaker 1: He was in a bedroom, just wasn't his own. So
- 1:32:49Speaker 1: the first note left a top addresser like in the
- 1:32:53Speaker 1: bedroom he was found in, was a poem slash riddle
- 1:32:56Speaker 1: titled My Final Word. Within it were cryptic clues to
- 1:33:01Speaker 1: opening a strong box that had been found in Tennyson's
- 1:33:05Speaker 1: room because it had no key year lockin. There was
- 1:33:10Speaker 1: like a whittle and a puzzle and a scavenger hunt,
- 1:33:12Speaker 1: but the police decided not to bother with that and
- 1:33:16Speaker 1: just smashed it open instead. The second note confessed to
- 1:33:20Speaker 1: the Phantom Killer shootings, including the Starks. A third note,
- 1:33:27Speaker 1: a typed third note found a while later by one
- 1:33:32Speaker 1: of the sheriffs, contradicted everything in the previous notes and
- 1:33:37Speaker 1: said to disregard all previous notes, and that he was
- 1:33:40Speaker 1: looking for a way or a reason for ending his life,
- 1:33:45Speaker 1: and that he really loved comics and pulp fiction as
- 1:33:50Speaker 1: in pulp books, not as in Quentin Tarantino's movie. So
- 1:33:57Speaker 1: Tennyson was from a wealthy family and they did not
- 1:34:01Speaker 1: ever make a public statement. But here's the thing if
- 1:34:04Speaker 1: you're a wealthy family in the South is you don't
- 1:34:07Speaker 1: make statements. That wasn't a thing back then. You just
- 1:34:11Speaker 1: kind of swept it under the rug and stay quiet.
- 1:34:16Speaker 1: But here's the kicker. Doody had an alibi for the
- 1:34:20Speaker 1: night of the Starks crime. He was playing checkers with
- 1:34:25Speaker 1: his friend James Freeman. And also his prince didn't match
- 1:34:30Speaker 1: any found at the scene, and he couldn't drive at
- 1:34:34Speaker 1: the time of the murders. His brother only taught him
- 1:34:37Speaker 1: to drive the summer of forty seven, like over a
- 1:34:40Speaker 1: year after the Phantom struck. Now that's not to say
- 1:34:46Speaker 1: that he couldn't have an accomplice. And it's six foot three.
- 1:34:51Speaker 1: He was the right height and build. So he and
- 1:34:57Speaker 1: his friend James were oddballs and games actually lived near
- 1:35:01Speaker 1: the Starks residents, and Dudy here he was vaguely connected
- 1:35:08Speaker 1: to some victims, right, So he worked as an usher
- 1:35:13Speaker 1: at the Paramount theater which Mary Jean Leary and Jimmy
- 1:35:17Speaker 1: Hollis had attended. And also he had played in the
- 1:35:23Speaker 1: same band as Betty Joe Like he played trombone like.
- 1:35:27Speaker 1: They weren't friends, but they were close in age they
- 1:35:30Speaker 1: sort of knew each other. Even with these tenuous connections,
- 1:35:35Speaker 1: In all likelihood, Henry was just a troubled young man
- 1:35:40Speaker 1: who was possibly gay in an era that just didn't
- 1:35:44Speaker 1: accept it. Many referred to him as strange, a euphemism
- 1:35:50Speaker 1: for homosexual at the time. This, along with whatever demon's
- 1:35:54Speaker 1: he was battling in his own head, may have caused
- 1:35:58Speaker 1: him to end his life. Over the years, many suspects
- 1:36:02Speaker 1: and leads were chased in the Phantom case, and even
- 1:36:06Speaker 1: when they had someone behind bars, they still weren't sure,
- 1:36:10Speaker 1: and to this day, the texarkanomen like murders are still
- 1:36:14Speaker 1: unsolved and in a move that surprises absolutely no one.
- 1:36:21Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy six, a slasher sort of docu drama
- 1:36:25Speaker 1: movie was produced by a Texa, Kanda born filmmaker and
- 1:36:30Speaker 1: was even filmed in the area right It was called
- 1:36:35Speaker 1: The Town That Dreaded Sundown. It's okay, We'll call it
- 1:36:41Speaker 1: a docudrama. Is being kind. It's it's vaguely adjacent to
- 1:36:47Speaker 1: the truth, and there are many many liberties taken with
- 1:36:52Speaker 1: the story, but of course none of us are shocked.
- 1:36:59Speaker 1: But to this day, no one has been charged or
- 1:37:05Speaker 1: definitively named as the Phantom Killer, and the text a
- 1:37:10Speaker 1: Kana Moonlight Murders are now just another one of America's
- 1:37:15Speaker 1: cold cases. Mary Jean Larry, Jimmy Hollis, Polly Anne Moore,
- 1:37:25Speaker 1: Richard Griffin, Berry, Joe Booker, James Paul Martin, Walter Virgil Starks,
- 1:37:33Speaker 1: and Katie Strickland Stark Sutton still haven't received justice, and
- 1:37:42Speaker 1: they might never, and so ends our story of the
- 1:37:47Speaker 1: Textar Khan of Modlight Murders feel free to rate and
- 1:37:51Speaker 1: review five stars if you liked my retelling of the tale.
- 1:37:54Speaker 1: If you didn't like it, you can keep it to yourself.
- 1:37:58Speaker 1: Now what's interesting is this? I mean, I thought it
- 1:38:03Speaker 1: was going to be longer. It's actually not as long
- 1:38:05Speaker 1: as I was anticipating. But I deliberately reduced sidebars, and
- 1:38:10Speaker 1: I there's certain things I didn't talk about here as well,
- 1:38:16Speaker 1: like there was a whole poison letter thing going on,
- 1:38:20Speaker 1: where like very Joe's stepdad was receiving letters, and so
- 1:38:27Speaker 1: was Gonzales and it was like a whole thing. But again,
- 1:38:31Speaker 1: a lot of people try and insert themselves into investigations
- 1:38:34Speaker 1: and some people are just oursehols. So here's the thing.
- 1:38:40Speaker 1: I think it's a disservice to victims to only discuss
- 1:38:44Speaker 1: them and the footnotes of their own crime, like we
- 1:38:49Speaker 1: should have something about them. And yeah, this isn't as
- 1:38:53Speaker 1: long as I was initially anticipating it to be. That
- 1:38:57Speaker 1: being said, the original one would have been two and
- 1:39:00Speaker 1: a half hours, and I'm I am not recording a
- 1:39:03Speaker 1: two and a half hour podcast for y'all, because like,
- 1:39:06Speaker 1: that's that's not fair. I mean I could. I'm already
- 1:39:10Speaker 1: starting to lose my voice after this because I've been
- 1:39:12Speaker 1: talking for at least three hours trying to get this together,
- 1:39:17Speaker 1: because there's a lot of work behind the scenes that
- 1:39:19Speaker 1: gets to this because the amount of pronunciations I have
- 1:39:24Speaker 1: probably messed up, but I would like you to know
- 1:39:27Speaker 1: that I did try, and I did ask people from
- 1:39:30Speaker 1: the South, so if if I've got it wrong, I'm
- 1:39:33Speaker 1: gonna blame them. Although I'm pretty sure I pronounced kill
- 1:39:37Speaker 1: God is killed girl is something at one point. But yeah,
- 1:39:41Speaker 1: that being said, I hope you enjoy this month of
- 1:39:45Speaker 1: nineteen forties crime because we're gonna be talking about nineteen
- 1:39:47Speaker 1: bodies crime and some gum true detective work and so
- 1:39:51Speaker 1: on and so forth. And I guess it's a recommendation
- 1:39:54Speaker 1: time and again, still supporting friends and their stuff. So
- 1:39:59Speaker 1: if you know what, if you like D and D,
- 1:40:02Speaker 1: there's a friend of mine, he has made a source book.
- 1:40:05Speaker 1: It's in the beta right now. I'll put a link
- 1:40:07Speaker 1: down below. Actually it's a source book for crafting in
- 1:40:11Speaker 1: D and D. But it's about making crafting good, right.
- 1:40:16Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting, so there's access to the better I'll
- 1:40:19Speaker 1: put the link in for that's your reading, and that
- 1:40:23Speaker 1: counts for watching. You know what I watched recently because
- 1:40:29Speaker 1: I needed something that was not murder related in my head.
- 1:40:32Speaker 1: The Emperor's New Groove. You know what that film holds up.
- 1:40:36Speaker 1: I enjoy it. It's a good film. I like it.
- 1:40:39Speaker 1: Eartha Kit's in it. She's amazing, and so I forgot
- 1:40:43Speaker 1: how much of the movie I could quote, but yeah,
- 1:40:46Speaker 1: watch The Emperor's New Group. It's fun. And for listening,
- 1:40:51Speaker 1: apart from my dulcet tones, you know what I started
- 1:40:54Speaker 1: to listen to which was totally reasonable and definitely gonna
- 1:40:57Speaker 1: help me sleep better at night. Sick to death, like
- 1:41:01Speaker 1: it's one of those doctor death stories, and since they
- 1:41:06Speaker 1: haven't updated doctor death in a while, I was like, oh,
- 1:41:10Speaker 1: this is interesting because it's not as if they don't exist.
- 1:41:12Speaker 1: There's loads anyway, another point. Anyway, this is by The
- 1:41:15Speaker 1: Australian and it's it's been captivating thus far. Did I
- 1:41:21Speaker 1: say watching I did say watching the already impersonal groove. Okay, great,
- 1:41:25Speaker 1: that is that And with that, I am going to
- 1:41:29Speaker 1: bid you good day Adios au revoir of is my Friends,
- 1:41:36Speaker 1: bye bye