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Red Sox checkup w/ Jonathan Papelbon: Trade deadline plans, Youth heat, Aroldis Chapman’s a beast · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Man, we all make mistake.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know I thought that too, But now
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  Speaker 2: I've moved on to say, Don's my guy.
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  Speaker 3: He's the man of the people.
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  Speaker 4: Jonathan Paplebon joining us right now with some bright orange
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  Speaker 4: I like that, Pap.
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  Speaker 3: Good to see you.
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  Speaker 4: You're basically our Red Sox insider too, so I want
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  Speaker 4: to give you the heavy hitter right right up top here.
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  Speaker 4: Jaron Duran, Alex Bregman. Any of the big boys getting
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  Speaker 4: traded at the deadline by Craig breslowan company or are
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  Speaker 4: they pushing chips in what's happening out there?
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  Speaker 3: Man, I hope not.
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  Speaker 2: If they want to make a run at this, you
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  Speaker 2: better keep bregmant, you better keep Duran. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: hoping this is just part of the gamesmanship that you
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  Speaker 2: play at the trade deadline, just seeing what you could
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  Speaker 2: possibly maybe get, or throwing a name out there. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, but you know, I get this weird feeling
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  Speaker 2: like they're gonna be sellers buyers and try to create
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  Speaker 2: this perfect deadline acquisition with this guy and that guy.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just real, you know, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: Bresla needs to get too complicated with this, just it's
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  Speaker 2: real simple. What they need and they need another stud
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  Speaker 2: pitcher in that lineup. If they want to have a
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  Speaker 2: postseason contending roster.
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  Speaker 3: They need that.
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  Speaker 2: And they need another right handed bat. You know, Bregman's
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  Speaker 2: gonna come back, but they also need another right handed bat.
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  Speaker 2: And hopefully this you know, Hicks kid can come through
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  Speaker 2: in the bullpen, and they've already added that piece in
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  Speaker 2: the bullpen, so they won't need that with Chapman and
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  Speaker 2: Hicks setting each other up on obviously closed situations.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't know, man, I mean, is a five
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  Speaker 5: hundred team going to be able to make a run?
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  Speaker 5: Are you really expecting this?
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  Speaker 3: Or are you? Are you full? Are you full?
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  Speaker 4: Did you?
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  Speaker 5: Is it payday?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 5: It's not the fifteenth yet, so I just didn't know.
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  Speaker 5: If you just open one of your paychecks from Nessen.
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  Speaker 2: No. Look, they've been they've been playing teams that suck,
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  Speaker 2: Let's be honest, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm going up.
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  Speaker 2: Tomorrow for the series to do the series with the
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  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Series before the All Star break, and if
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  Speaker 2: they continue to do what they're doing against teams like Tampa.
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  Speaker 3: Bay, then I will say yes.
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  Speaker 2: But this series, believe it or not, to me is
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  Speaker 2: one of the biggest series that they will have this
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  Speaker 2: year because number one, you're going into All Star Break,
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  Speaker 2: you get to see what you have before that. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, number two, Bregman may or may not play.
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  Speaker 2: My guess is he's going to end up playing at
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  Speaker 2: this series at some point before the All Star Break.
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  Speaker 2: So he's a big catalyst to this team. And right
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  Speaker 2: now he's coaching from the bench and you can only
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  Speaker 2: do so much. But you know, the two big things
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  Speaker 2: are how are they gonna play against good teams?
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  Speaker 3: And what are they gonna be like when Bregman comes back.
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  Speaker 5: Are they gonna extend Bregman before he becomes a free agent,
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  Speaker 5: because don't forget, he's a Boris client and they pretty
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  Speaker 5: much need to because he's about the only veterans veteran
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  Speaker 5: presidents that they have in that position player corps.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're gonna try to, but you know
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  Speaker 2: how it is dealing with Boris, you never know.
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  Speaker 3: I think that is one of their goals. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's one of Breslo's and Sam.
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy's goals to get someone like him who is a
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  Speaker 2: leader in the clubhouse and a leader on and off
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  Speaker 2: the field, which they desperately need.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, and hopefully they can get it done.
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  Speaker 2: You know, but I have a feeling this is gonna
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  Speaker 2: spill into the offseason, and you know, he may be
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  Speaker 2: looking for more years than what he's going to try
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  Speaker 2: to then what the Red Sox are going to try
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  Speaker 2: to give them?
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  Speaker 5: Are the Red Sox afraid of older players in the
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  Speaker 5: sense of leadership? You look at this team. I was
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  Speaker 5: just at the field two days ago and somebody asked me.
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  Speaker 5: They were like, oh, did you play with any of
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  Speaker 5: these guys? And I was like, this whole rosters like
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  Speaker 5: twenty four and below, and the Red Sox have constantly,
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  Speaker 5: this front office has constantly been like, don't buck against us.
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  Speaker 5: We know what is right to do on the field. Analytically,
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  Speaker 5: you need to listen to us, pitch calling stuff, you
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  Speaker 5: need to do all this stuff. So now they have
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of yes men because they're all young on
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  Speaker 5: this roster. Do you feel like that could be a
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  Speaker 5: detriment because some of these guys are coming up, they
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  Speaker 5: don't know how to play defense, they don't know how
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  Speaker 5: to put a bats together consistently, and they're just constantly
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  Speaker 5: a talented team that plays five hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Kratz, I think you hit the nail on
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  Speaker 2: the head, really.
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  Speaker 3: And truthfully, they.
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  Speaker 2: Are one of the younger teams and it shows. It
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  Speaker 2: shows when they play Hell, they lead the they lead
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  Speaker 2: an entire baseball and errors.
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  Speaker 3: So it is a detriment.
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  Speaker 2: It already is It been a detriment this season, and
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  Speaker 2: they're trying every day to overcome those types of situations,
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  Speaker 2: including you know, it seems like every hitter you look
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  Speaker 2: up every night, all these young hitters, and I watch
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  Speaker 2: it and from the perspective of a pitcher, but it
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  Speaker 2: seems like these hitters are O two from the on
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  Speaker 2: deck circle. Most of these young hitters, say Don william
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  Speaker 2: a BRAHW. They just seem to fall oh two right
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  Speaker 2: out the gate. And you know, to me, that's that's
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  Speaker 2: not passing the baton, that's not putting at bats together
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  Speaker 2: and trying to get the lineup through so that your
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  Speaker 2: damaged guys can come up with men on base and
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  Speaker 2: situations like that.
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  Speaker 3: So, yes, they're already suffering from.
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  Speaker 2: It, and I'm afraid my the biggest thing I'm afraid
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  Speaker 2: of is this is what's going to keep them out
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  Speaker 2: of playoff contention.
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  Speaker 6: This year, but the defense was Dever's fault. I thought
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  Speaker 6: they blamed the whole Wait didn't they just but he's
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  Speaker 6: not there anymore, so the defense hasn't gotten better. But anyways,
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  Speaker 6: but the other night, I want to talk to you
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  Speaker 6: about pitching. Brian Beao pitched awesome the other night, right,
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  Speaker 6: first complete game of his career. Is this him maybe
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  Speaker 6: taking the next step? I know is against the Rockies.
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  Speaker 6: I don't really care. Though it was a CG the
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  Speaker 6: first career one. Could he take the next step because
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  Speaker 6: a couple of years ago, this was the guy the
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  Speaker 6: Red Sox were counting on a long term and he's
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  Speaker 6: kind of taking a step back. Is this him going
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  Speaker 6: back the other way?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, AJ.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they've they've they've paid him, and they expect.
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  Speaker 3: A lot out of him now.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I go, I don't go back to
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  Speaker 2: his last start. I know his last start was phenomenal,
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  Speaker 2: but the start before that even.
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  Speaker 3: Was where I saw.
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  Speaker 2: Him start to change in the way he used his fastball.
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  Speaker 2: He was early on the season nitpicking with his fastball
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  Speaker 2: early in the accounts, and now he's going straight after hitters.
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  Speaker 3: He's getting ahead of hitters, and you know as well
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  Speaker 3: as I do.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, anytime you get ahead of hitters, you have a
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  Speaker 2: hitter on his heels and advantages to the pitcher anytime
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  Speaker 2: you get ahead of them.
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  Speaker 3: So he's doing that more. But I tell you what.
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  Speaker 2: To me, it's a it's an attitude that a difference
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  Speaker 2: in his attitude that.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen him come out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he used to guys would get on and
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  Speaker 2: he'd kind of bitch and complain and you know, shrugged
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  Speaker 2: his shoulders. Now it's like, bow my neck, let me
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  Speaker 2: go out there, let me give the team what I want,
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  Speaker 2: let me give him everything I got. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a different approach in him mentally and the way
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  Speaker 2: he's taking these games on each and every start. But
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna need him. And also on the other end
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  Speaker 2: of it, you got Giolito who held his last seven
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  Speaker 2: or eight starts have all been quality. But it's got
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  Speaker 2: to continue, and you have another guy, and how hopefully
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  Speaker 2: that can come back. If Out doesn't come back the
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  Speaker 2: way how it used to be, he's pitching the minor
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  Speaker 2: leagues right now. If he doesn't come back like the
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  Speaker 2: old Hout come up, then they have to go get
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  Speaker 2: somebody else. And that's that's gonna be the difference maker there.
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  Speaker 3: Aj.
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  Speaker 4: a lot of time.
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  Speaker 6: Get after it all, right, Pab you mentioned Gilito. What
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  Speaker 6: about Walker Buel? What do they do with him? Because
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  Speaker 6: he hasn't been that great this year either. You know,
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  Speaker 6: they're getting to the point now where it's put up
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  Speaker 6: or shut up.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, there's no question about that.
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  Speaker 7: AJ And you know you gotta you commend him because
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  Speaker 7: you know, every time he gets interviewed after a postgame interview,
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  Speaker 7: you know, he says that, you know, hey, this is.
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  Speaker 3: Not me, this is not my stuff. I'm searching.
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  Speaker 2: I'm searching right now to try to find my fastball,
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  Speaker 2: try to find my my slider.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, to me, it's a mechanical thing with
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  Speaker 3: him right now. It's And they.
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  Speaker 2: Asked him if he was injured at all, and he
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  Speaker 2: said he didn't want to discuss that. So I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: there's little tweaks and stuff going on with him right now.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, it's more mechanical. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it's a lead leg mechanic thing where I what
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  Speaker 2: I personally think is it strides a little bit too long.
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  Speaker 2: He's just cut a stride down just a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Get back on top of the baseball, so he commanded
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more. But I don't think he has
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  Speaker 2: a long rope, There's no question about that, because you're
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  Speaker 2: getting to the point of the season where you can't
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  Speaker 2: afford to have these starts where your star goes out,
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  Speaker 2: it pitches to two and a third and then you
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  Speaker 2: waste your bullpen for the entire series.
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  Speaker 3: So the rope is definitely short for Walker Brewler, all right.
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  Speaker 6: And then there's another guy that we mentioned. You're talking
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  Speaker 6: about all these young guys, Christian Campbell. They signed him
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  Speaker 6: to a deal. He's not even on the team anymore.
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  Speaker 6: What's the long term prognosis, whatever you want to call
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  Speaker 6: it for him, what's the long term look ahead to
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  Speaker 6: see where he's gonna be and what he's gonna do
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  Speaker 6: for the Red Sox because they paid him and then
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  Speaker 6: all of a sudden he couldn't hit at all. Now
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  Speaker 6: that he's back in Wooster or wherever he is working
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  Speaker 6: on a swing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in Worcester, but that's your typical Yes, we
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  Speaker 2: made a mistake, you know, we called this guy up
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  Speaker 2: too early, and I don't think that he's going to
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  Speaker 2: be called up back to the big leagues anytime soon.
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  Speaker 3: So they one know that he is ready. You know
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  Speaker 3: that was.
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  Speaker 1: That was the guy coming out of spring training. That
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  Speaker 1: was your Rookie of the year, your MVP, mister Redzock.
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  Speaker 1: He was going to the Hall of Fame. Now he's
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  Speaker 1: in Wooster in there. You just said he's not. Man,
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  Speaker 1: we all make mistakes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, you know I thought that too, But now
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  Speaker 2: I've moved on to say Doan say Don's my guy now?
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so say Done's my guy now.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just you know, they they look hey
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  Speaker 2: J and Cratzy, you know as well as I do. Man,
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  Speaker 2: when a kid comes up to the big leagues, the
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  Speaker 2: moment he walks through those doors, you can look at him,
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  Speaker 2: have a two second conversation, look in his eyes and know, man,
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  Speaker 2: this kid is ready for the big leagues, or man,
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  Speaker 2: his eyes are big and look out, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Think he's ready. And that was the case for it. Man.
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  Speaker 3: I could look at him and be like, oh no,
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  Speaker 3: oh damn, he don't. He don't have that look in
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  Speaker 3: his eyes, you know. And he had it, and so
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna have to regain it. It's gonna be a while,
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  Speaker 3: that's for sure. Pa.
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  Speaker 5: You look around the League right now. And it's Christian
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  Speaker 5: Campbell too. It's you know, it's it's your Nettos, it's
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  Speaker 5: your Shannon Wells. There's teams that are calling guys up
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  Speaker 5: Wilang for Dylan Cruz, calling them up with like a year,
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  Speaker 5: less than a year minor league time when you played.
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  Speaker 5: There's a handful of guys that got called up with
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  Speaker 5: less than a year of minor league time because and
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  Speaker 5: those guys are Hall of famers. Fringe hall of famers
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  Speaker 5: are the Red Sox because the teams that do this,
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  Speaker 5: they're trying to just like capture lightning in a bottle
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  Speaker 5: and like, hope this works. Should the Red Sox be
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  Speaker 5: a team that hope things work because I've seen their
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  Speaker 5: minor league development and they can develop players if they're
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  Speaker 5: left down there. Did they do him a disservice by
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  Speaker 5: calling him up because of you know what, we locked
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  Speaker 5: him up and now it's an opportunity for him to
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  Speaker 5: be in the shows?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, had he had an amazing spring training against
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  Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of troops, I'm sure, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: oh the eyes get big, and oh we got this
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  Speaker 2: new grand.
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  Speaker 3: Prospect and everything is great.
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  Speaker 2: But look at the end of the day, he was
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  Speaker 2: not ready, and the Red Sox were in a situation
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  Speaker 2: where they needed somebody at second base, right, so they
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  Speaker 2: I fully blame Breslo for doing this, And like he
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  Speaker 2: knows this. Bres is not dumb. He knows that they
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  Speaker 2: called him up too early. But the thing is is
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  Speaker 2: that there's still potential there. I believe in the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 2: Believe it.
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  Speaker 3: So you know in a Meyer and rom and Anthony too. Hell,
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  Speaker 3: they're just now kind of starting to come into their own.
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  Speaker 3: They were, in my opinion, they were called.
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  Speaker 2: Up too early as well. It was, oh, look at
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  Speaker 2: these shiny new tools we have. Let's hurry up and
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  Speaker 2: call them up. And you know, just now they're starting
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  Speaker 2: to get going. But this is throughout major League Baseball
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  Speaker 2: and you see it. So to me, it's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's a lot tougher on the player when you
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  Speaker 2: get caught up that early and you're not ready.
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  Speaker 4: Pap last one Heraldus Chapman showing everyone how easy it
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  Speaker 4: is to be a closer at a late stage of
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  Speaker 4: your career. So how incredible is he to watch? Do
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  Speaker 4: you notice anything about how he's able to do this
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  Speaker 4: for such a long period of time. We all know
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  Speaker 4: he's jacked and he's a gym machine, but so are you.
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  Speaker 4: So what do you notice?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so everything on.
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  Speaker 2: The one thing I noticed is that he lifts every day.
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  Speaker 2: I try to lift every day, but regardless, there's some
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  Speaker 2: days where you do need rest. But he actually doesn't
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  Speaker 2: eat at the field at all. So when he gets
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  Speaker 2: to the field, he doesn't. He only eats his these
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  Speaker 2: drinks and he's shakes, so he doesn't eat food while
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  Speaker 2: he's there. So I'm not sure what he's doing on
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  Speaker 2: or off the field. But his work ethic, to me
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  Speaker 2: is what is what you hear.
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  Speaker 3: From everybody around him? Right, man, this guy is an animal.
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  Speaker 3: When he works out, he works out in the morning,
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  Speaker 3: he gets up, takes a nap. He reminds me a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of Mariano Rivera. That's not Jack.
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  Speaker 2: He works out, takes a nap, works out, does something else,
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  Speaker 2: takes another now, and that's how he goes about his day.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, it's it's obviously working. But to see
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  Speaker 2: a guy still doing this at his age, it's incredible
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  Speaker 2: and I enjoy watching it every night.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's he is a specimen to watch.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so there you go, kids, pitch lift, nap, repeat it.