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COCKTALES PODCAST'S KIKI - Gangsta Ramen Stir Fry · Eating While Broke

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have very
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  Speaker 1: special guests Kiki from Cocktails Podcasts in the building. Hey
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  Speaker 1: you guys, thank.
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  Speaker 2: You for coming.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah for having me. Yeah. We are in Atlanta today,
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  Speaker 1: hanging out at eighty five South Studio. Shout outs to y'all. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: thank you guys for that. So what are you going
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  Speaker 1: to have me eating today? Today? We are going to
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  Speaker 1: have a ramen noodle sturfry Ramen noodlef with chicken and
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  Speaker 1: some vegetables. I love this because I usually hate ramen
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  Speaker 1: on the show to death. Yeah, m in again. No, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so this is a stuff fry, so I'm not eating soup.
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  Speaker 1: Show me how it's done. What are the ingredients? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so water?
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I'm gonna season the water before I end
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  Speaker 3: up adding the noodles, just waiting for it to get
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  Speaker 3: a little hotter, and then I like to add more seasonings.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm still gonna put that little seasoning packet in there.
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  Speaker 3: So I won't add any more salt because it's pretty
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  Speaker 3: salty to me, a little soy sauce siracha, so like
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  Speaker 3: a little spice, garlic powder, onion powder, and pepper. And
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  Speaker 3: then like when I was making this, I would just whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I had like some leftover chiyokey sauce from Chinese food,
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  Speaker 3: or hoisten or oyster if I was lucky. I had
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  Speaker 3: to be really, I probably came from a date if
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  Speaker 3: I had some oyster sauce left. But I would just
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  Speaker 3: use whatever kind of Asian flavors I might have on hand.
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  Speaker 3: That's how it started. And then I was just mixing
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  Speaker 3: stuff up, okay, and so yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then I noticed on your original on the original
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  Speaker 1: crawl sheet, you said, bro oh, yeah, I like to
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  Speaker 1: use chicken broth.
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  Speaker 3: An that instead of the water mm hmm instead of
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  Speaker 3: the water, or sometimes I'll add it to the water.
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  Speaker 3: It just makes it more flavorful. I do it with rice,
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  Speaker 3: I do it with grits. I do it with all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I learned that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm probably watching Food Network. But yeah, I like to
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  Speaker 3: put a little broth in it so it's flavorful. I
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  Speaker 3: don't want it to just taste like salt and noodles.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever done like coconut milk added to rice?
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  Speaker 1: It is so random? Yes, how did it come out good.
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  Speaker 1: It was good.
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  Speaker 3: It tastes like coconut.
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  Speaker 1: You added a lot, yeah, okay, not like a little bit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like my mom's just making and she'll put a little
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  Speaker 1: bit in. Yeah. Let me guess that would.
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  Speaker 3: Be my phone.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know how to silence those films? Okay? I made.
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  Speaker 3: Like jerk chicken or something really spicy, and I decided
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to try coconut milk in the rice so
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  Speaker 3: that the rice would be a little sweeter to like
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  Speaker 3: work with that. One day I was trying something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and once that water does.
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  Speaker 3: Boil, you know, noodles only take a couple of minutes.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go ahead and put some butter in
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  Speaker 3: this other skillet so that we can stir fry the veggies.
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  Speaker 1: I'll call a stirf far.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of stir fry. I like that.
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  Speaker 1: So take me back to what was going on in
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  Speaker 1: the life of Gangsteren Surfry.
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  Speaker 3: So when I first started making this, I was so broke.
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  Speaker 3: I was at college and I was far away from home.
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  Speaker 3: I was all the way in DC. I graduated high
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  Speaker 3: school in Texas, and it was just really hard. My
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  Speaker 3: rent was really high. I was working, I was a
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  Speaker 3: full time student. I ate a lot of noodles, and
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  Speaker 3: it gets boring and I don't really like leftovers. And sometimes,
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  Speaker 3: as irresponsible as this was, I would spend money on
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  Speaker 3: better quality foods. But sometimes you know, the account is
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  Speaker 3: already overdrawn and the bank is only gonna let you
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  Speaker 3: do it so much. So it's in the gree store
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  Speaker 3: one day and I was getting some noodles, like one
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  Speaker 3: of the little value packs with multiples in there, because
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I guess this is what I'm eating for
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  Speaker 3: the week until I get paid. And I saw this little,
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  Speaker 3: this little cookbook at the register. It was like a dollar,
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  Speaker 3: so I bought it. It was like one hundred and one
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  Speaker 3: ways to make ramen. So I was like, oh, good,
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  Speaker 3: because I need some inspiration. So I get home, I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking at it, and so a lot of the recipes
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  Speaker 3: it was just stuff I already had in the cabinet,
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  Speaker 3: or stuff I could get eventually that was cheap, and
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  Speaker 3: so that's what I came up with it. But college
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  Speaker 3: was just so rough, and there were so many times
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  Speaker 3: where I was scared, like I wasn't going to graduate.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't. I was going to have to move back home.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to be embarrassed. Most of my family
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  Speaker 3: has gone to college and at least gotten their bachelor's degree,
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  Speaker 3: and then I'm the oldest of my siblings. Not only
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  Speaker 3: did I want to make my parents proud, I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to be proud of myself. I wanted my siblings to
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  Speaker 3: be proud of me. And I just I was stressed.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, college was fun. I had some amazing times,
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  Speaker 3: but I did not a lot in college. And I
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  Speaker 3: remember one of my best friends. I made this and
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  Speaker 3: then we ate it at my apartment and then we
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  Speaker 3: went to school because I had like a project do.
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  Speaker 1: I stayed up in the lab.
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  Speaker 3: I was editing a news REORP project and well news package,
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  Speaker 3: and we were up for probably like we probably went
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  Speaker 3: down there at like nine pm. I was there till
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  Speaker 3: like noon the next day, and he stayed with me
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  Speaker 3: so that I would get it done, because if I
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  Speaker 3: didn't get it turned in by that afternoon, I was
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  Speaker 3: not going to graduate. And I went to Howard. They
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  Speaker 3: don't do that whole Oh you got six credits left.
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  Speaker 3: You can still walk the stage, so you don't have
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  Speaker 3: to be shame in front of your family. No, if
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  Speaker 3: you don't have all your credits, you are not going.
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  Speaker 1: So oh yeah, it was a stressful time, okay, but
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  Speaker 1: I made it. I made make it okay good, So
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  Speaker 1: family was proud. Did all your siblings end up following
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  Speaker 1: your footsteps?
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  Speaker 3: And you know what, not a single one of them
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  Speaker 3: followed in my footsteps. Now, some of my siblings did
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  Speaker 3: start school, nobody has finished. One of my sisters, the
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  Speaker 3: one that is next in age to me, she went
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  Speaker 3: to cosmetology school, so she did finish that, and then
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  Speaker 3: she even went back to becoming an instructor. Decided she
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to, but she did that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, none of them did.
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  Speaker 3: I tried to convince everybody to go to Howard. I
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  Speaker 3: tried to convince like my Ottle cousins to go.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to go. Did your parents end up using
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  Speaker 1: you as the example to your siblings? Like why can't
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  Speaker 1: you be more?
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  Speaker 3: All the time?
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  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I went through all that. Yeah, all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's something about being the oldest and I'm
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  Speaker 3: a daughter, so even like I remember wanting to learn
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  Speaker 3: how to cook because I didn't like what my mama
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  Speaker 3: was making We had a lot of broke muals growing up,
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  Speaker 3: like hamburger helper, not like horrible, like we were fed
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  Speaker 3: and everything, but like, how many ways can you make
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  Speaker 3: hamburger helper? Hamburger helper, there's tudor helper, there's chicken helper.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know that we had all these helpers in
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  Speaker 3: the kitchen and it was still tasting like mush.
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  Speaker 1: And then what else?
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  Speaker 3: Did we have a lot of spaghetti? For a very
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  Speaker 3: long time as an adult, I would not cook spaghetti.
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  Speaker 3: I won't buy any sort of help or nothing. I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to eat it. I just it's just like
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  Speaker 3: it was too much in sandwiches.
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  Speaker 1: You sound like. We had Country Wade on the show
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  Speaker 1: and he was like, how many different recipes can go
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  Speaker 1: with hot dogs? It's all a dog.
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  Speaker 3: I just have a hot dog, chili dog grill it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was like, no matter what your name is,
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  Speaker 1: still the same thing, right, Like, Okay, so.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna add a little bit of butter to the water.
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  Speaker 1: And to the water. M okay, this is different.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna add a little butter to the water,
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  Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna add the garlic powder and the
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  Speaker 3: onion powder to the water, okay in the little season.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of real chefs talk about you got
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  Speaker 1: a season of water, yeah, but they usually talking just salt.
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  Speaker 3: But we're gonna get the salt, like, but you add
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  Speaker 3: a lot of garlic powder. Okay. You don't have an
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  Speaker 3: allergy to you like?
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  Speaker 1: No, okay, The only I have is uh, I can't
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  Speaker 1: eve red me. I guess sick. Oh really, I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: allergic and I ignored it for like fifteen years, and
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  Speaker 1: I said, girl, grow up, this doesn't feel good anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Just stop going. Oh, you put the seasoning packet in first.
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  Speaker 3: Because I want the water to be seasoned up.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but are we going to keep some of the
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  Speaker 1: water in the stir fry? Not really, not a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I think some of this will boil down and it
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  Speaker 3: looks kind of like a lot, I.
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  Speaker 1: Guess because it's halfway. But I feel like this is.
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  Speaker 3: A small pan, let's see. But I'm gonna use the
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  Speaker 3: and pull it out, yeah, so it won't be soupy.
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  Speaker 1: Did you end up making money off your degree.
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  Speaker 3: In a way, Yes, because my degree was broadcast journalism,
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  Speaker 3: and so a big part of what I had to
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  Speaker 3: learn and what I was doing in there was learning
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  Speaker 3: how to edit videos, and like on cocktails, I still.
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  Speaker 1: Edit all of our videos. You edit all of them.
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  Speaker 3: I used to set up. I bought a camera. I
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  Speaker 3: used to set the camera up and it was a cannon.
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  Speaker 3: So the cannon stopped at like twenty nine minutes in
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  Speaker 3: some seconds, so we had to pause, hop up, switch
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  Speaker 3: the stuff, well, start and restart, do the clap again,
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  Speaker 3: and then keep it going. But yeah, I still edit
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  Speaker 3: the episodes. I don't do the clips, have somebody else
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  Speaker 3: who does the clips that we post on social media.
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  Speaker 3: But the full episodes I do that. And I had
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  Speaker 3: to learn how to edit audio. I had to learn
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  Speaker 3: how to shoot. I had to learn about lighting and
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  Speaker 3: like the conditions, what's actually really good for you? Just
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  Speaker 3: because it's really right outside might not be the best
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  Speaker 3: lighting for you, probably gonna look washed out. Cloudy days
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  Speaker 3: are great. So I did. I never worked as an
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  Speaker 3: actual journalist, and then I decided somewhere in my college
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  Speaker 3: career I wanted to go the radio route because I
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  Speaker 3: didn't really want I wanted to give my opinion, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, journalists, you're supposed to tell the story. It's
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  Speaker 3: not about you. I wanted it to be about me
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, you know, and I wanted to be
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  Speaker 3: able to say what I thought about the things that
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  Speaker 3: were happening or.
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  Speaker 1: What whether it was pop culture or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So I started working at the radio station when I
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  Speaker 3: was at Howard, and then when I came here, I
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  Speaker 3: did like an AM radio station for a minute, and
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  Speaker 3: then I was working a bunch of different temp jobs.
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  Speaker 3: I had a lot of different jobs, and then eventually
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  Speaker 3: I started working at a radio station.
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  Speaker 1: Here and it's at in.
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta, like an actual FM station, and that.
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  Speaker 1: What role did you have over there?
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  Speaker 3: So when I went there, I was trying to get
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  Speaker 3: in where I fit in, and so I was like
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  Speaker 3: assisting with the the remote. So like when they would
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  Speaker 3: be at clubs or a grand opening of like T
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  Speaker 3: Mobile or something like that, I would be there assisting,
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  Speaker 3: and then.
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  Speaker 1: Like the on air assist like call in and you
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  Speaker 1: give your yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But I wasn't doing the on air part. I'm doing
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  Speaker 3: like I got the box, I'm making sure the signal
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  Speaker 3: is getting back to the station, I'm grabbing the personality.
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  Speaker 3: But I was like whatever, because I've always felt like
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  Speaker 3: I learned this in school and I've always felt this,
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  Speaker 3: you need to learn to do everything. Even if you
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  Speaker 3: don't end up doing everything, know how to do it
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  Speaker 3: because the first time somebody can't make it or they
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: don't do it, are you going to.
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  Speaker 1: Let that stop you? You know? Like that?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, So I was doing that and then one
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  Speaker 3: oh girl I became friends with. She was an on
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  Speaker 3: air personality, and I think she was really getting sick
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  Speaker 3: of not getting opportunities she felt she deserved right, so
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  Speaker 3: she had like taken some time off. Well when she
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  Speaker 3: took the time off, I got to fill in for her.
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  Speaker 3: So I was doing the afternoon drive show with somebody
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  Speaker 3: else who was it at the time, Jtech.
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  Speaker 1: So I was feeling in.
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  Speaker 3: There, and then I got to do my own remotes,
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  Speaker 3: and so then I was doing better. And then I
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  Speaker 3: ended up, oddly enough in the business manager position from that,
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  Speaker 3: which is not something I was qualified for, not something
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  Speaker 3: I really knew exactly how to do. But it's supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be temporary because literally someone got sick the person
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  Speaker 3: who had that position. I got that position. It was
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be only for a couple of months, and
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  Speaker 3: they did not hire somebody to actually do that job
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  Speaker 3: until last year. And I still do work for them,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't go to the station anymore. I don't
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  Speaker 3: do any of that, but I still do work for them.
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  Speaker 3: But in a weird way, I'm so glad that I
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  Speaker 3: did get that. I was complaining. I felt like I'm
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  Speaker 3: stuck in this office. I don't care that this is
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  Speaker 3: making more money. I don't care about any of that.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't what I came here to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, I'm in the office and I'm seeing how the
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  Speaker 3: money is made in a business that I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: start a podcast. And so the way that podcasts go
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: and the way that radio sells with advertising is very similar.
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  Speaker 3: So I was able to onions, Yeah, to pull out
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna pull some out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh can I explain what can you explain to explain
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  Speaker 1: how the world of advertising in radio and podcasting is alike.
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  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of these companies you're going to be buying,
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  Speaker 3: they're selling, Well, you're selling advertising. You have this space
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  Speaker 3: on your show show, right.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 3: Whenever you have this space on your show, sometimes you
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  Speaker 3: need somebody to sell it for you.
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  Speaker 1: So they're gonna pitch you.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna know that these people want to know your
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  Speaker 3: numbers or they want to know the.
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  Speaker 1: Reach and all of that.
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  Speaker 3: And you have a salesperson on your team, and then
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  Speaker 3: there's somebody that you're communicating with that doesn't actually work
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  Speaker 3: for the product you're going to advertise for, but they're
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  Speaker 3: working for an agency and so they're just putting these
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  Speaker 3: deals together. They tell you this is the ad that
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  Speaker 3: needs to run. Either you have to get one of
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  Speaker 3: your hosts to read the script that we send, or
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  Speaker 3: we're going to send you something already produced.
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  Speaker 1: But all of that is sellable. If we got to.
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  Speaker 3: Produce a commercial. If somebody has to specifically do an
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  Speaker 3: endorsement and say their name in, it is different prices
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  Speaker 3: for different people. So seeing how everybody doesn't have to
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  Speaker 3: cost the same, so I'll learned that.
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  Speaker 1: And then also making.
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  Speaker 3: Sure that you stick to doing what you said you
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  Speaker 3: were going to do because it might not happen every time.
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  Speaker 3: But like in radio, they'll ask for an affidavit showing
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  Speaker 3: the times that your ads ran. Podcasting, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: not live, so they're going to go back and make
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  Speaker 3: sure you did the ad and that you did it right.
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  Speaker 3: And if something's wrong, they're gonna ask for like a
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  Speaker 3: make good, which would be you got to do it
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  Speaker 3: again for free to make good on the agreement. And
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  Speaker 3: so then that's like a spot in your show on
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  Speaker 3: another episode that you could have sold potentially, and so
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  Speaker 3: now it's not there. You just have to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that you stay on top of that and that you're
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  Speaker 3: timely and you stick to the schedule, like both of them.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, podcasts is a little bit more relaxed.
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  Speaker 1: With the schedule.
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  Speaker 3: You might just have like a week of it's not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily a time of day, even though the listeners get
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  Speaker 3: mad if it's not early enough for them, But you
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  Speaker 3: do have to stick to a schedule.
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  Speaker 1: And so I learned about that.
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  Speaker 3: I learned about how these agencies will lie and say
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  Speaker 3: that they don't have the money yet, because really the
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  Speaker 3: money is funneling from a bunch of different agencies. So
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  Speaker 3: then they have you wait on your check for months
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  Speaker 3: and months and months. But really you got the money
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  Speaker 3: in your account, you want to use it, your float
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  Speaker 3: money or whatever's going on. It's just a lot of
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  Speaker 3: things happen that way.
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  Speaker 1: And you learn that all working at the radio. Awesome,
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  Speaker 1: did you ever learn how to actually sell? No?
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  Speaker 3: But I just watched other people and then whenever we
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  Speaker 3: were after I felt like we were getting like a
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  Speaker 3: decent consistent amount of listeners, like maybe a couple of thousand.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, we can sell this because I read
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  Speaker 3: that when I'm researching how I can make some money,
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  Speaker 3: I read that, you know, they sell it for every thousand.
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  Speaker 1: This is the accuracy. They call it the CPN right
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  Speaker 1: count for a thousand. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, Okay, well I can make some money
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  Speaker 3: somewhere along the way. If we got a thousand, even
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  Speaker 3: if I'm only making twenty five dollars, that's some income
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: we can build up from there.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Oh girl, gokiky. Yeah. So I was like, how do
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: you do this?
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: I'm like basically like cold calling, but cold emailing all
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: these companies, trying to find a contact and then realizing,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: you know, the smaller companies, you could get a response,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: but they they're wanting like major influencers, and I didn't
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: really know how to tell them, Hey, I'm not a
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: major influencer, but we do have an audience and let's
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: just see.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: And I think that.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: The product that I endorsed that really made other small
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: businesses that were doing stuff they didn't have an agency
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: representing them. I'm probably talking to whoever runs the business,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: but make them want to take a chance. Was there's
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: a company. It's an herbal supplement for women for your
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: sex drive.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: And the girl was running a blog and I read
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: the blog. I wanted to get her on the show.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: She lived in Charlotte, and I invited her on, and
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: I had talked about the pills.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I had ordered them, but I.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Hadn't actually tried them yet, but even just talking about them,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: she said that she realized later after I had talked
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: about him, people went and bought some. And then when
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: she came on the show and we did an episode,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: she said the next month she was making so much money,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: and then not too much. Long after that, maybe like
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: a year or two, she was able to quit her
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: job and she worked as like did something in biology.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I was like, damn, I haven't
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: been able to quit my job.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You know. So I was like, dang, I'm happy for her.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Did you ever end up trying the pills? I'm just curious. Yeah.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I did try the pills, and I do think they
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: work really Yeah.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I mean they helped increase the sex drive, your sex drive,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the wetness. Yeah.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: And everybody says it don't need help, I know.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: But it does help.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: And even I had a friend who was taking them
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: and she said, I don't really use it for that,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: but I do like the way that they make me
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: feel just overall because it has other stuff that might
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: be in a multi vitamin or something, but it does
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: help with that. It's not like the little pussycat pill,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: the pink pill thing that they sell at gas stations.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: It's not like that.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: But it did help, and she things took off for
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: her after she came on the show, and I'm like,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: we have something because our.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Listeners are tuned in, they're listening to us.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: They want to know what we think, and we're telling
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: them this and this is just one product, like this
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: could be you. So I'm telling them that she gave
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: me a little testimonial and she sponsored several of our
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: live shows, not like the whole thing. But I was like, Okay, well,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: how can I put these sponsorship packages together? What are
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: we actually selling? I found a website online I think
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: it might still be there, advertised cast and it's like
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: a marketplace for advertisers and they can see the shows,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: they see the numbers. It's all verified and people can
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: you can make money that way because people will buy
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: the spots. You log into your portal and you see
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: you're not really talking to a rep like that.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: But that was one of the things that we did.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: So I'm cold calling.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I learn that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I learned how to do that from the salespeople at
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: the radio. Then just I'm constantly searching for stuff I
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: knew I had an idea, and I'm looking at these
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: other shows and listening to other shows, and it's like
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: people are really making money, like they're doing this for
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: a living and it's low overhead. I gotta figure this
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: thing out, Yeah, Because I'm always trying to figure out
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: how do people make money? I just I just always
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: want to know.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: So what were some of the early on mistakes you
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: like you made when you first started that Later you
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: look back and you're like, I could have dodged a
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: bullet easily. There were so many.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: The first one listening to somebody else and allowing them
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: to tell me what their idea was and it was
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: different than mine, and go on with that instead of
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: standing my ground and saying, well, this is my idea
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: and I want to do it this way. And when
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I started the show, I had.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Different co hosts.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: There were three other people, two guys and a girl,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: And we had a woman who was working as a
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: producer and her idea and I'd work with her and
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: other with other stuff. But her idea was that it
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: should be more balanced conversations. And I'm like, all these
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: people are lying on the show.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: This isn't what the show is about. We don't need.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Another roundtable of people telling everybody how to date, how
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: to have successful relationships.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: That's not what this is.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: This is supposed to be people telling their own experiences.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: And we were all different, Like I was the youngest
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: and single, never been married, no children, still the same
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: and that was almost.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Ten years ago.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: And then the other chick on the show, she was married,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: she was divorced and had a young child. Like in
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: kindergartener first grade, there was a guy who was single
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: and in a relationship, and somebody else was happily married.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: So it's like we have these different opinions, but nobody
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: really wanted to tell anything about their lives. They wanted
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: to speak in a ton of generalizations.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: And then I hate that. I hate that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like people don't you're just regurgitating things that
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: other people have already said, what actually happened to you?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: What do you actually think?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean that anybody has to live their
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: life that way, but like, come on, I was bored,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: so I'm gonna.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Put this brain child. You're pulling it together, but you're
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: still allowing other opinions to kind of overs because then I'm.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Second guessing myself, like, well, maybe they're right, Maybe nobody wants.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: To listen to this.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Maybe it'll sound a little whiny. I don't know, maybe
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: it'll just sound like we're all complaining. I don't have
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: good experiences right now. So I let that happen, and
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: then slowly but surely, all those people were gone. So
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: the guy who was happily married, he he wouldn't telling
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: his wife where he was going every week whenever we
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: were recording, and nothing bad was going on, but he
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: wasn't telling her, and so she was pissed and he
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: got in trouble and he couldn't come back anymore.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: That's probably why he wasn't telling to begin with.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he had other things going on,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: and she just felt like this is not a priority,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: and this isn't making you money right now?
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So what are you doing?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: You need to be home with us. And then the
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: other guy who was on the show, he was just
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: lying every week about experience, well not lying, he was
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: telling the truth on the show. Then he would forget, Oh,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: this is gonna go out. I don't want my girl
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: to hear these because I told her x y Z
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: and the stories aren't gonna add up.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: So can you edit that out?
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: No, we did the whole episode around what you said.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: And then they were trying to get like a lot
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: of celebrities, and you know, I'm sure those people it's
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: no shade to them, but it's like they did something
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: in their time when they were at their prime. But
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: this isn't their prime, so there's no draw there. And
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: they're they're speaking in generalizations too.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: We don't.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: There's nothing, there's no reason for this. And then so
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: the two guys are gone, so then it's just me
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: and the girl. And so then my current co host, Medina.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: We've known each other since freshman year of high school.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So as a great co host, you got a freshman, ok,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: we have we've.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Known each other for so we can talk about anything. Yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: And so like we were best friends and she was
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: in Dallas at the time. Yeah, she was in Dallas
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: at the time. It's like end of twenty sixteen, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: she was saying that she was ready to move back
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: to Atlanta, and she had lived here, she went to
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: school here, but she had left some time ago. Because honestly,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: if she would have been here when I started the show,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I probably would have just started with her, of course,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: but she wasn't here. So she was doing another podcast
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: in Dallas. That one that experience wasn't working out for her,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: and she was tired of being in Dallas. She wanted
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: to be back in Atlanta, and she was talking about moving.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I said, well, she had been a guest on the show.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I said, would you want to come on and be
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: my co host? I don't think that my current co
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: host is going to work out, but I would like
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: to bring you on. We'll try it with the three
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: of us and see how that goes. And if things
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: don't work out either way, you don't have to stick
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: it out. But I mean, here we are. That was
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: twenty sixteen into twenty sixteen. She was like, yeah, when
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I moved there, So in twenty seventeen she started officially
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: being on the show, and then somewhere along the lines
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: my original co host, she decided she didn't want to
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: do it anymore. She didn't want to be vulnerable, And
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I remember feeling I don't even know what the word
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: is for my feeling, but we were.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Having a conversation.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I was like, why don't you share the content like
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: on your Facebook, Like you're more active on Facebook than Instagram.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Why don't you post anything about the show or share
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: any links or like promoted? How are people gonna find it? Like, girl,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: and neither one of us famous. Yeah, all we can
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: do is like I'm literally calling my friends, like will
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: you please listen to the podcast and then give me
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: honest feedback, Like I'm trying to make this happen. And
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: she was like, well, if it was bigger, I wouldn't
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: have a problem doing it, Like if we were at
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: the level of like lip service, I would be cool
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: with it. But like I come from a political family
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: and blah blah blah blah blah.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: And I was just you should have thought about that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: all a long time ago. And how am I right?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Girl?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Right? Or did you just calmly say okay, I get
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: it in life?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I was just like, so, how are we ever gonna
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: get there. It's just supposed to be me posting all
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: day and then you read benefits like what and so
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: she was like, I'm just saying like just certain things,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: and even like the name.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Of the show.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, girl, you help me come up with the
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: name of the show. And why is contail so alarming
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: to you? We don't have like a big penis on anything.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: And it's like she kept saying, well, it's the cock
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: park and I'm like, if it was just cocktail spelled
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: normal like a cocktail, it is the same. The CCK
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: is still there. What are you're talking about?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And you have a kid?
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: We know you have been on one before. So that
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: was just like I was like, you know what, this
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: is just really not gonna work out. This is not
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: gonna work out.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: What am I going to do? Did you really see
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the kid line?
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, because I'm like, girl, like come on, and like
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: this this act that you put on, I wouldn't bust
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: you out on the show, but it's like, I know
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: that this character you're portraying is not who you are.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Who are you hiding from and what's going on? And hey,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: it's fine because I don't mind being the wilder person. Yeah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, you want to downplay some things whatever,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: we just want to be entertained.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna add the chicken out.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: It was a little bit frozen.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, so but I think this has some heat now,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: so you'll put down that looks good. It looks like
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: real legit stir fry and it's a couple bucks meals.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, super easy because this chicken is cooked already and
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: that makes it easier. Especially like when I was in
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: college that did not have a lot of pots and pants.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I think I had the same set.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: But like not all these pieces. You got a lot
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: of pieces I had, like you know, the three piece
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: fry pants set. That's what I got. Has wit with
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: hand for us. We love them. Yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so I forgot the question even But I
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: just remember starting the show and that was really rough
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and getting to a point where Okay, I feel like
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: I found my groove and now we can work from here.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And now let's I always said, let's focus on making
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: sure we have a good show because no matter what,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: like we could get a sponsor, but if nobody's listening
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: because the show's not good, they're not gonna see anything,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: We're gonna lose listeners.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: We gotta concentrate and make sure we have a good product.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I don't want the show to be based on guests,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: because I'm not doing the show alone. It's two of us.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: We have guests, but it's like if a guest cancels
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: or like, I'm always thinking not to be negative, but
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I just think about the what ifs of what could
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: happen in a day, and it's like, Okay, we book
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: our studio time because now we have left my living
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: room and we're in a studio, so we got to
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: pay for this by the hour. I'm lugging all my
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: equipment in there on days when I feel like doing
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: the video because we weren't doing video at.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: First, you were. We start out all audio.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: All audio, and even now the majority of our audience
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: is still audio.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, but I enjoy the good though it's less pressure.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: It is less pressure, And I like that she thought
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: about the guest thing, because I know, even with our
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: show that guest hurdle can be a real hurdle. We
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: have to pretape so many just in case.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've had we had times where like I'm
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: gonna have some more better. I feel like that lady
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: that got canceled who was always adding better on the
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Food Network. I won't even say her name.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: You know she got canceled for always adding butter, not.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: For always atting butter. She was doing some races. Some
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: racist comments were made. But that's why I feel like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: because she was always adding butter. And I don't want
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: my arms to do that thing in the back later?
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Is that where we need? But let me tell you something.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Butter is a steap on my house. I love faces
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: of it, but like the boxes. I buy boxes of
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: it in both because I use that much butter. I
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: can go through a stick of butter once every two days.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Maybe not every two days, but in a week, I've
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: been butter.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I love butter.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: But my daughter she's too. She will eat it like
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it's a candy bar. Really, it's disgusting. She literally come
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: in the kids and she'd be like, mommy, butter, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: then she'll go and you'll see the little finger reach
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: up and she'll see it. I'll leave it on the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: end and you'll see a little finger like carvings in
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the butter, and then she'd be so happy.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I'll be like, that's funny because what.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: She'll literally be like mouthful of butter eating it, Like
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I did try it by itself.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: One disgusting it is, and it's so crazy how like
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: something that can add flavor to something else alone is
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: absolutely terrible.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it needs some help. But you know, before this show,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I used to eat like, I guess, fake butter. But
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: then it wasn't. No, it was like you know, the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: like butter that comes in a bucket and it's all smooth.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, that's real butter. It wasn't until the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: CEO while I'm Out was on our show and he
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: like was like, don't put that fake shit, get real butter.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And I was like and then I like was like, okay,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: what's real butter? And then I was like, yo, I've
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: never cooked with real butter. Oh really? And then I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: tried it and it was absolutely amazing, and I never
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: went back to the fake stuff.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I used to use the fake stuff because I
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: had to, but I couldn't wait.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: To like actually buy real butter. Yeah, because it makes
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it salted too.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I don't always buy salted only because I have more
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: control of how much salt I add and.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: If you have the stuff.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And then if I'm baking, a lot of recipes call
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: for unsalted better.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Oh that's all. I never baked though. Yeah, if my
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: little brother put me onto the like the cookie toe
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: house where it's like little squares. Oh mm hm. He
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: put me onto that, and I was like, wait what Yeah,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: you have real nice cookies in ten minutes flat. Mm hmm. Yeah.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I was never again. Never did I bake ever again
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, I wasn't a big baker.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: But there's like a few desserts, like like I love
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: sweet potato pie, Like Thanksgiving is my time. I love
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: making sweet potato pie over and over again.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I like, do you make the crust? No, I'm by
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the crust. That's too much work. But okay, okay, but
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I just I just want I was trying to test how.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Thorough you were, oh the crust, But I don't because
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I also still don't have an actual pie dish.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Oh so I would.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Need something to put it in.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but I'm like, you know, whenever cocktails or
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: whatever whatever else I do makes me enough money to
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: buy my house with my big kitchen, because I.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Do really love to cook.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I want all the stuff Okay, I would love to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: be like somebody who's always cooking yet and stuff.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I love when I have house guests.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I love the holidays because I really like to cook. Okay, yeah, okay,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Well your stir fry looks great. So when do you
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: start to take on the next challenge in podcasting, which
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I think is the ultimate challenge versus live shows.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Live shows. So I was really nervous to do our
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: first one. We did our first one in May of
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. I wasn't sure if we had enough listeners.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Like first, I was like, well, I want the listeners
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: to start reaching out to saying it right, and I
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: need them to do it kind of often so that
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I can feel like people are actually gonna buy the tickets,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: because still it's like a bit of imposter syndrome, I
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: guess where it's like people really want to come and
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: pay their hard earned money to sit in a room
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: with no drinks, including this ticket price, to listen to
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: me talk about my horrible or my embarrassing experiences with
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: these men. Y'all are that entertained? Even though I'm probably
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: gonna repeat a story I said on the show, and
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: when I tell you they came out, they came out,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: we did our first show. I was watching our numbers.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I'm always looking at the numbers, the analytics of like who's.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Actually listening to our show? And at this time we had.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: A few episodes that were video, but we were still
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: heavily audio based. So I'm looking at the numbers, and.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: We're getting to a better spot. We're getting a few ads.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Here and there, We're making a little money. Then I
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: started meeting people just out and about and they'd be like, hey,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: do you do cocktails.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so you like the show.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: You and to follow me on Instagram and see what
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I look like, because you don't even know what I
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: look like from listening to the show. And so when
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: people were reaching out that were total strangers, not the
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: friends I had been begging to listen to the show,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, we got something, and it was
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: happening with both of us, and so I was like, Okay, well,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: let's let's look at venues and see how much this
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: is really gonna cost, because we're gonna have to front
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: the money. We didn't have a big network behind us
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: then and even today we don't. We have an ad
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: network that does sell advertising for us, but we didn't
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: have any help. And did you ever end up selling
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: your own?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Oh? I guess you did the sponsorship of the till right, Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: The sponsorship with a pill like she bought some ads
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: and she sponsored some live shows. But then too, just
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: reaching out to different companies. We did like a small
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: vodka company and a couple of other small businesses, a
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: lot of them services.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: A lot of them were local, but some.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Weren't even in Atlanta, And it's like, we have listeners
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: other places and we can see where they are.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: So we did sell on our own.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: But it was so much easier when I could focus
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: on the show and then like that whole advertised cash.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Once I found out about that and got us hooked
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: up on there, that was great. It made the world
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: of difference because then you just get the email that hey,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: somebody has placed an order on your show, and that
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: felt good.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, So going back to the live shows. Okay, So
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: take me to through that whole process for you. So
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: we're going to all these different venues. I'm at work
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: at the radio station at the time. What was my
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: co host doing?
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: She was working at this real estate company. I think
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: she was like an office manager or something there. I
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: don't know, but we're like trying to coordinate in our schedules.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: At one point she was, what's she a flight no,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: the flight attendant one step.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: So we're coordinating our schedules, trying to go to all
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: these different places, trying to find somebody first that we
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: can reach out to to buy the venues. Some of
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: these venues are really expensive. So we found this place
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: downtown Atlanta, and she told us how much it would be,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, I'm thinking, we how is
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: a deposit? When do we have to pay the balance?
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: If we can put, we should put. We need to
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: give everybody ninety days to get their tickets and like
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: to promote the thing. So we put the tickets on
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: sale in February and then I was like, we do
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: it with event, right, they'll pay us out. I think
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: it's like every week or every other week something like that.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Then we'll just take that money that we're getting from
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: ticket sales and put it up. I think I don't
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: remember if we split it or if I just paid
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: what the deposit was, but we had something for the deposit,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: and then we just use that ticket sales like sweating bullets,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: like fuck yeah, until I put the tickets on sale
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: because it sold out in two weeks, and I was
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, I sold the tickets for
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: too like they were too cheat your tickets. They started
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: at twenty five dollars. You never see a twenty five
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: dollars ticket again unless we're at a comedy club, because
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: they make us do that, and I'd be mad, but
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Why, because they want the drink money. Yeah, they don't
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: at the comedy clubs. They don't do a different split
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: or is it just what.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: So at the comedy clubs they will sell the tickets
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: at a certain price. But what I've learned is you're
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: gonna get different deals depending on if somebody. If you're
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: working with somebody else versus representing yourself, makes a big difference.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Because we got a booking agent. Later in twenty twenty
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: we got a booking agent. We didn't do another show
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: until twenty twenty two, but that made a difference. And
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: so we have somebody representing us. It just makes it
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: look better. And then once we were able to sell
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: out a show at this comedy club, then the next
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: go around they're offering us way more money, so it's
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: like they're not getting money, yeah, because we're not selling
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the tickets.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: They sell the tickets.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: So the first four shows that we did in twenty nineteen,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: we sold the tickets ourselves on event right. We were
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: gonna tour in twenty twenty, but the world shut down.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Somebody reached out to us in twenty twenty about working
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: together and he said he could represent us, and he
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: had done like all these different rock bands, but he
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: was trying to do podcasts.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: So he sets up what was the first show we did?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Was it here? Wait? This is wait before before you
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: get to him, explain some of the hurdles of the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: mindset and everything going on at the time doing your
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: first show.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: People bought tickets, but they were cheap, so will they come?
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Are there going to be empty seats? Then it was like, okay,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: the actual show itself, Like, I'm worried about all this
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: other show, but we have to come up with something
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: to make it entertaining so that people have like a memorable.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Experience with us.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: We don't want them to feel like they wasted their money,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: even if the ticket was five dollars, Like you I
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: want you to come and have a great time. So
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: figuring that out, trying to figure out the order of things,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: whether to incorporate people or not. Then it's like little
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: stuff at the venue, extra security. I think we need
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: that security, Yes we do, because these girls get drunk
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: and wild, you know, extra security did. And then I
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: learned after the first show, we're.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Like, okay, more security. And then how long was it
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: your first How do you try to do at least
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: two hours or no?
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I felt like people get bored by then. So we
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: had another podcast open up for us. We gave them
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. Then we had a fifteen minutes and so
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: they came out like right at showtime, storry right. So
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: we gave them fifteen minutes, and then we had a
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: host who was a comedian, a friend of ours.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: He did like another tenige minutes.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: He came out, introduced them, then he came back out,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: did a little set, played some games to get the
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: people hype, and then we came out. I think we
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: were out there for like an hour and a.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Half, and so the whole show was like two hours,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: but us.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Being on stage was not. And I felt like we
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: could have cut it down they had a blast, but
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, you just never want to have
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: that moment where you're dragging some hurdles. Don't take too
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: many good luck show shots ahead of the show because
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: you might get a little too loose lips, and it
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: is there is no editing that people are right in
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: front of your face.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like for your show, it's better though that way, right,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: the looselip no okay?
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: For me, I get slurry, So then it's like it's
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: not funny because you don't know what I'm saying. I
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: just look like a drunk mess. Now my co host
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I don't be knowing she's drunk sometimes until she says
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: something I know she wouldn't have said, and I'm like,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: I wish I could do that, But this mouth gets
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: real relaxed. Yeah, I'll say anything. Okay, it can work
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: out good and other times not so much so. Learning
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: that what other hurdles just crowd control, and I think
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: we're pretty good at that overall. But the first show,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: even like I cried a little bit before we went
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: out because I was like, this is just an idea
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: in my head listening to the read, and now people
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: are actually paying to.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Come see me, and it's years later, yes, how many years?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: So this is?
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: This is so the show had been out for three
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: years at that point. This is twenty nineteen. So I'm like, Okay,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: people are coming out and they're gonna spend money, and
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: they're excited to see us, like they are like jumping
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: up and down happy, they want to take pictures.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I just cried a little.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Bit on the side of the stage and I have
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: fixed my makeup and come back. But and then I
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: just thought about it. It was like all the naysayers, everybody's saying,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: you need to focus on a real job, you need
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: to be applying.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: For jobs and their little podcast at this time, are
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: you working any side jobs?
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: No side jobs, it's just the podcast and the radio station.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: That's it. Okay, And yeah, you're dealing with a lot
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: mm hmm. And so I just okay, at this point,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: is your co host also in one hundred percent or she.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: She's in one hundred percent and she was enjoying it.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Now the difference was with us.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Is like.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: What would I say would be a big difference. Sometimes
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I think that she didn't really how much work I
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: was doing because I wasn't asking for help and I
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: enjoy it. I can be a bit of a workaholic,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: but at times it felt like, Okay, just because I
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: don't need your help with these things doesn't mean that
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I don't want some help in places where I'm not
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: so great at, you know. Yeah, so that was a
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: bit of a struggle. But as far as like feeling
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: all in and really wanting this to be a thing,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: she was definitely all in. She always has been, and
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: so that was something. It's like we were friends first
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: and then being all in about the show, and then
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: just like talking to each other and again both of
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: us not listening to what other people say about who's
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: doing what and all of that, because everybody can feel
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: how they want to feel, but this.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Is our work situation.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what I'm good at, I know what
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: she's good at, and a lot of the things are
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: not the same, which to me is ideal because then
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: we can, you know, cover so much ground. And then
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: just getting comfortable with that. Once we got into that groove,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: it was just like, Okay, things are really going on.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: All right. So after you do your first successful show,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: m hmm, okay, then you get you come across the booker.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so then come across the booker, and so then
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I see like, not only were we selling our tickets
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: kind of low, it's a lot easier with him representing us.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: And he was only taking uh still, he only takes
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: ten percent. And I was like, okay, good, because I
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: was also afraid he's ten of the grocer, the ten
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: percent of the gross if it's if we get a guarantee,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: ten percent of the net. If it's no guarantee. Okay,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: So what does that mean? So like a ven you
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: might say, we're going to give you fifteen thousand dollars
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: to do this show, so we're not worried about to
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: sales or nothing, because no matter what, we getting fifteen
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars, Like, we still want it to be a
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: packed house, but we're getting fifteen thousand dollars to do
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: this venue, we don't have to worry about it. Another
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: venue might say, well, you've never done this market before,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: we don't know. We'll sell your tickets at these prices,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: these different levels, and then you will get seventy percent
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: or you get seventy five percent after all of these expenses.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: So it just depends. But the guaranteed deals, I mean,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: sometimes you get more. Sometimes you don't. It just depends
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: on what your rep is able to work out for you.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: But then even like because I have friends who are
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: in this industry and we'll talk, you find out other
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: people are getting way different offers and it just comes
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: with your numbers. They do matter, And have you done
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: this venue? Who's representing you? Are they fighting for you?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Things like that, because even in some venues, like we
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: had to talk to our agent, like you need to
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: talk to the venues to make sure that they are
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: upholding their end of the bargain. If they say there's
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: going to be security and stuff, we don't think anybody's
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: gonna come in and shoot the place up. But the
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: girls get a little over zealous sometimes and they want
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: to come hang out backstage because I don't know what happens.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's alcohol or just feeling like
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: we're all best friends because you've been listening to us,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: but we actually haven't met you. You've only met us,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: and they're trying to come backstage or just moving around
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: backstage where all of our personal belongings are. And sometimes
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: it's like, okay, after being on for so many people,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: we need a second to decompress. We do meet and
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: greets and stuff, and they just kind of let anybody
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: who says, oh, we're going back to see kikim Adina,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: They'll just let them go. And we don't have like
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: a big team. So then what's like, the scariest experience
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: you had. Scariest experience was here in Atlanta. There was
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: a guy who have been dming me on Instagram. He
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: was deming the cocktails page, he was sending emails, he
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: had contacted the venue, he bought a ticket to come
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: to the live show. But then he was just getting
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: carried away with all of the messages and the stuff
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: that he said he wanted to do to me, and
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: it was all sexual in nature. And then he was
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: asking me like how much he could pay me to
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: FaceTime him or let him.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Instagram call me and all this other stuff.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, I know that we talk about sex,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: but that's not what I'm selling. I'm selling as on
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: this show and that's it. And so it was scary
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: because he bought a ticket. He emailed a screenshot of
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: his confirmation showing that he was coming out. Just I
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: felt like he was a huge guy. He's like six '
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: six and I'm like, you just you do too much.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: And I think this curious kind of little at the
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: City Winery, which is where the live show was, and
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I was just like, what if he gets aggressive or
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: just does too much, or it's like trying to follow
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: me out to the car.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: That was probably the scariest Okay, and they actually let
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: him into the venue or so he didn't show up,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: thank goodness, but he did buy a ticket and they
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: said that they've had problems with him before with other
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: shows that have come through.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, so people like already knew his face and there
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: was yeah, I said, just refund the ticket. He can't come.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: He's doing too much. Yeah, And I don't know. I'm
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: sure it's like some mental issues going on there, but
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: it's just too pushy and that makes people feel uncomfortable.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: And sometimes, even like when people are really excited, sometimes
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: people do too much and it does make you a
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: little concerned, and then you have to remember, like, Okay,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: people will know a lot about you because of what
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: you're sharing, and it just makes you nervous. When you
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: watch shows like what's that show on Netflix? You and
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: that guy is like telling all of this stuff from
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: like a little Facebook status or tweet or something, or
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: looking at a picture and looking at the background, and
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: so it just makes you a little nervous because you
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: never know who's paying attention to you, and you just hope, like,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: nothing bad happens. Fortunately, nothing is bad has happened. But
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: that was like a scary situation.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was sharing with you prior that we had
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Wheezy on mm hmm. Loved her episode, but what came
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: with her episode was there was like a stalker guy
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: that was like, at first it was like okay, then
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: it got like a hundred messages. It would be like
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: all these alerts from the same guy, and if you
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: didn't respond, it just got excessively bad. But I remember
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: he was following our show for a while, commenting on everyone.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: But when Weezy had showed up, it was like the
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: type of stuff he was saying that he wanted to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: do to her, and I was like, brother, like you can't,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: you can't. And then it would just go from like
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the eating while broke damns to like my DMNs and
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: then at one point I just reached out to her like, Yo,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: this guy knows everybody in your camp. He's dropping names
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: like he knows addresses like, and she was like, man,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that stalker won't stop. And I'm like, yo, I'm gonna
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: save all this stuff in the DM. So if you
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: ever need to get a red, like your restraining orders
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: reinstated or need help, yeah, I got like, yeah, I
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: got a lot, like too much. And I was like realizing,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: like even in that kind of similar like what he
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: was saying, it was like, Yo, you're objectifying this woman
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: who was actually on my shoul So you got to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: actually see who she was and what she was about
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: and all she's learning in her career. But your brain
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: won't even accept who she is. You're just you've made
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: this idea of who she is in your brain, And
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: if you heard the episode, you would have walked away
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: knowing that this is not the way you would approach her,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you know, right. But I could see like that sickness,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: like where someone can see you online and just kind
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: of assume.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they assume that this piece of content that we're
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: putting out, which is very niche, but this is what
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: our show is about. So yes, that's all we're talking about. Yeah,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: but that's not all you are about.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Like, am my everyday life? That's not what I'm talking about. No,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: you're definitely seeing more of like an entrepreneur, and you
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: were sharing with me like a lot of the stuff
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you looked up was like how you make money and
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. So I would say more so you're
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: impressive podcaster, but definitely more of an entrepreneur.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I'm always thinking about it, and just like
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: I like to learn, I'm constantly trying to learn something
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: different and how things work and what are other ways
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: to do things, and what are things I haven't thought of?
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: And that's really what I'm talking about with people outside
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: of the show.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: It's not about men. How's your dating life now? Girl?
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: You know, I really don't participate in it much. You
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: don't like you're not actively pursuing it anymore, not right now.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Like there was someone I was seeing, but right now
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I feel like I can't focus on that. He's not
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: totally gone, but it's just not something that is at
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: the forefront of my mind. I have this show, of course,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: but then I have some other things, some other projects
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: that I want to get off the ground. If I
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: could do it with this and get this success, and
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I could start at you know, a better starting.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Point with other things.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I really need to put my energy into that, and
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: if you need me too much, I'm not gonna be
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: a good partner to you. And I can recognize that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: So it's like no love loss there. But I just
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: really can't focus on the dating right now. And I
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: think that people either don't believe that or they have
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: a hard time understanding that because many women are boy
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: crazy or you know, at my age, you want.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: To be married and have kids and all that stuff, and.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: It's just like why would you not actively do it?
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: But it's just not a top priority. And I'm okay
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: with not going on dates all the time because I'm
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: still gonna go out to eat. I'm still gonna do
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: all the fun things and have the experiences. You know,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: are you at the place where you date yourself more
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: like you? Yeah, I'm a great dater. What do you
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: mean like when I'm dating myself? Okay, I take great
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: care of myself. I'm gonna paan for myself. I'm going
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: to great restaurants. I'm gonna have good experiences, and it's
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: fun when I can share that with somebody else. But
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: if it's just me, it's okay because I also I'm
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: fearful that like I'll turn into a person where they
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: always have to be attached to somebody. Yeah, and I
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: don't want that. And it's like make sure that I'm
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: happy with who I am and what I have going on,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: and you'll be way more interesting for somebody else.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: To Yeah that way, I agree. Yeah, I was little
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: like serial daters, like never single. It's a miracle if
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: you can get me single for like three months, like
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: it's bad. Like my I remember my pastor during one
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: of my breakups, was like just one year, if you
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: can make it one year, no kissing, no touching, no boyfriend.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I made it about a month and a half with
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: no kissing. I like fought like hell to make it
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to a year with no boyfriend because you know, the
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: person I was kissing I was like, yoh.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: What's up.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: And I was like I'm trying something, So they didn't
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: really count. And then it wasn't until I had my daughter.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you know what at this point. Yeah,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: now it's just like if I'm available for an hour
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: and I call them slots, Like if a dude's like
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: trying to holler, I'd be like you get a slot,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: and they'd be like a slot. I'll be like on
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: this day, at this time, there's about a two hour window.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: You know, this is what I want to do. If
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: you don't want to join me, that's fine. Well I'm
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: gonna do what I want to do during my slot.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: And so it's all about me. It's really when you
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: think about So the one time the guy tried to
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: hit me back, well I have a slot, and I
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: was like, he was like, these are all the options
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: for my slot and I was just like, you know,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: like the do do and he was like, all right,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I get it, Like yeah, it's like I don't. I'm
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: at the point where it's like it's me and I
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: don't have room to care about you.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Feeling once you get to feeling okay with your own
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: company and putting yourself first, because I think people need
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: periods of time like that where you are a priority
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: to yourself, because sometimes people are always thinking about what
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: they're doing with somebody else, and I just don't want
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: to regret maybe putting somebody else's needs first way too much.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I did my regrets, men. Yeah, all my regrets is men. Now.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: I used to say I regret a lot of the
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: men that I dated, like in college and when I
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: first moved to Atlanta, because I came here right after
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: I graduated. But I don't anymore because it was their
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: stories that catapulted the show. And so I'm forever grateful
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: to all of those horrible men out there that gave
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: me some great stories to tell. And so I can
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: laugh about it now, but it was not funny. I
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: used to be crying walslide and listening to Mariah Carey
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: wall sliding, sliding on the wall, sing R and B
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: in the shower, and then it's like, girl, you don't
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: even have an audience, this is not a music video.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? I used to do some really
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: dramatic thing, yeah, and stare at myself in the mirror,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: crying like you look stupid. After a minute, pick yourself up.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever done that.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I'm a rebounder though, I'm a rebounder, like it'd be like, oh,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: that ball ain't working out, let's pick up a different ball.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I get tired of meeting somebody new because a lot
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: of times I don't find a lot of guys very interesting.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to meet somebody new. There's always
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: like I used to always have like a if you
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: fuck up, there's thirty niggas that want to take that
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: CM and I'd be like they in the background somewhere.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: But the background ones were always more of like a
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: physical connection than somebody who I would really really date,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: because the physical I mean, I don't now that whole
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: a year without kissing and all.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: That I ever do that? Well?
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Did I?
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe I did a year without kissing or sex or
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: anything like that. I was probably coming out of a heartbreak.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: I can't even remember. But sometimes you do have those
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: physical needs, but it's not as often. But a year
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: could I do a year now?
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, here's a long time. That's a long time.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. All right, Well, what are some tid
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: beds of advice you would give to someone else trying
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to get into your seat?
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: I would say, you know, if podcasting is what you're
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: interested in, don't be discouraged by the fact that there's
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: millions of podcasts, because most of these podcasts will not
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: be here in a year. Most people don't make it
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: very far. They give up. It might be a minute
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: before you make money, and you have to make sure
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: that you pick a subject matter that you are okay
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: with talking about for a while and make sure that
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: you I think people should structure their show. Have some structure,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: because everybody doesn't and you don't have to, but I
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: would say try it out just to see and then
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: that way it helps you so that you don't have
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: those lulls in your conversation and just stay focused and like,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: don't listen to a lot of negativity, take constructive criticism.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: But when people are telling you shouldn't do it because
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: everybody else is doing it, and why you don't listen
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: to that, just keep going. It doesn't matter if you're
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: popular online already or not, because you can really turn
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: it into something like I was not popular online. I
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: didn't I was just a girl and her friends who
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: were doing a show about their own experiences and organically
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: growing the show into what it is now. And we've
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: been able to secure a lot of sponsorships, We've been
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: able to do live shows all across the country. We
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: even got to do one in Canada last year. I
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: was really excited about that because now feeling like Candy
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Birds when she was like I'm world wide, bitch, and
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: it's not really worldwide, but I'm gonna say it.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I was about to ask that, but I'm glad you
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: said that.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was exciting because it's like, Wow, even though
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: it's right up the street, it's still like, there's all
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: these people over here that are paying to come see us,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: and we get to have this experience and we get
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: to go travel to different places that maybe we can
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: go and meet different people. It's just been really cool.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: So stay focused and just keep trying and don't be
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: afraid to switch things up. But I also tell people like,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: don't just expect people to just come knocking at your
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: door for anything, whether it be guests or advertisers or anything.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: And don't be afraid to reach out like there have
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: been shows where it's like or smaller shows that have
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: reached out to us, for example, not that we're super huge,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: but we've done all right, and they'll be scared to
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: even ask to come on the show, and it's like,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: well why not, Yeah, Like come on, can't you talk
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: or you're gonna get shy. That's really what I'm worried about.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: I don't care who you are. If one person listens
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: to your podcast that is okay, can you hold a
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: conversation and can we laugh about something together? Okay, come on, Like,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: don't be scared. I think I do it still. But
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: operating in fear a lot of times will hold you
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: back from so much and you just never know what
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: could happen if you just ask, or you just try,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: or you don't give up.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: How what advice would you give in regards to consistency.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: You've got to be consistent. If you got issues with consistency,
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know if podcasting.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Is really what you should do.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Maybe you should work behind the scenes, because it's very
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: important to be consistent because this is a thing. People
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: start to listen to podcasts or watch them and it
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: becomes a part of their routine. Right if you go
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: too long without uploading, they might forget you. And just
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: like you were talking about your slots with dating, people
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: have slots for free time or to listen to the podcast.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: So if they find another show when you haven't been uploading,
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: you haven't said anything. That can be hard. And to
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: get those people back it's hard. It's like even when
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: you don't post on social media, you've got to stay consistent.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: And you gotta keep pushing stuff out and if you
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: need a break, you know, let your audience know, or
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: if it's I know, some people do seasons instead of
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: going straight through. We've never done seasons, and that has
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: been taxing, but I'm glad that we haven't because sometimes
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: if you take too long of a break, you might
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: not come back. And it's just like TV shows, like
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: I can't think of the show's name even right now,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: but I saw people talking on Twitter. They were saying
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: the show was going to come back next year, and
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: people are like, don't even worry about it because it's
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: been too long. We've forgot about the story and it's
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: a new show every day. You really gotta you gotta
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: be consistent.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, even with our side we are with
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: the Black Effect Network, but for a long time we
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: posted East Coast time and then every once in a while, man,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: they'll slip up at that time. So I'm like, you
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: don't understand. People take jogs whatever the heck, that's their routine,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: and we can someone to take that slot because we
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: didn't show up at that time. But I do know
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: what us where we have to do season based because
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: we're so heavily guessed that we have to pre tape
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, we pre tape a lot. Yeah.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: We usually do like two episodes in a day, and
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: then we might record for three weeks and then take
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: a week or two off or two weeks and then
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: a week off two weeks, and then we can take
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: like a longer break because we also travel a lot,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: and so sometimes it can be hard, and then it's
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: also just easier to have to go to the studio
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: and knock this out in a day to do two
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: episodes in one Yeah, yeah, yep.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for your time and feeding
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: me and blessing me. Shout out to where everyone could
• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:08
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• 1:00:09
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• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: You can check it out and also our website I'm
• 1:00:23
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• 1:00:24
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• 1:00:28
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• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: one hundred and ten different questions to ask if you're
• 1:00:33
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• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: hard to you know, spark up a conversation or you're
• 1:00:38
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• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: You can even play with your friends.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: And that's something that even when the show is done
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: and we don't want to do it anymore, that's a
• 1:00:43
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• 1:00:47
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• 1:00:51
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• 1:00:52
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