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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the Republican Party have been shitting the
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  Speaker 1: bed in nearly every poll for the last few months.
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  Speaker 1: But now, Nate Cohn and the New York Times have
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  Speaker 1: come down from the mountaintop with a stone tablet. that
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  Speaker 1: confirms how screwed they are. Trump's approval is at 37%
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  Speaker 1: in their new poll. That is a record low for
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  Speaker 1: him for both terms in all New York Times Siena polls.
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  Speaker 1: And midterm voters also favor Democrats by 11 points, 50
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  Speaker 1: to 39% over Republicans. The president's biggest liability in the
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  Speaker 1: poll remains his handling of the cost of living, which
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  Speaker 1: his political strategists keep hoping he'll pretend to care about.
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  Speaker 1: as evidenced by Monday's White House event on his discount
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  Speaker 1: drug website, TrumpRx. Let's see how it went.
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  Speaker 5: I think outside of maybe a cure itself, it's the
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  Speaker 5: biggest thing to happen to healthcare and everything having to
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  Speaker 5: do with medical in any way, shape, or form. There's
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  Speaker 5: never been anything like this.
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  Speaker 1: Really sold it, huh?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: What does that even mean? Really sold it. TrumpRx is
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  Speaker 1: the biggest thing in medical.
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  Speaker 3: It's the biggest thing in medical. Biggest thing in medical.
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  Speaker 3: You can tell because there's a doctor here. You could
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  Speaker 3: tell he didn't like the event because he cut it
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  Speaker 3: really short.
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  Speaker 1: Because it kind of looked like.
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  Speaker 3: Where were they? It looked like TEDxToledo or something. It
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  Speaker 3: was just like Joe Gebbia in front of a giant screen.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing was embarrassing. Mark Cuban was there. TrumpRx,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, it's not a platform for buying medications.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know that? It's a facilitator. You go to
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  Speaker 1: the website. It directs you to the other websites to
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  Speaker 1: buy the drugs. And sometimes it gives you coupons.
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  Speaker 3: Just redirects you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically. And then Amazon and Cuban's thing. What's his
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  Speaker 1: thing called?
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  Speaker 3: Cost Plus Drugs.
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  Speaker 1: Cost Plus Drugs. Um, you know, they work with the
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  Speaker 1: federal government to have some discounts on some extra drugs,
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  Speaker 1: but also if you have insurance doesn't help you, meaning
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  Speaker 1: it's cheaper to buy the drugs if you have insurance
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  Speaker 1: because the insurance covers the drugs. So really it's for
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  Speaker 1: people who don't have insurance sometimes get some discounts on
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  Speaker 1: some drugs. So it's not a bad thing, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not a, it's not weird. It's not, it's certainly not
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  Speaker 1: the biggest thing since medical.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: Um, what stood out to you guys in the New
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  Speaker 1: York times poll?
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  Speaker 2: So whenever we're talking about a poll that looks good
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  Speaker 2: for Democrats, you got to go down and find the
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  Speaker 2: part where it's terrible for Democrats.
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  Speaker 3: And this was a new one, I think.
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  Speaker 2: They said, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the Democratic Party?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm used to seeing that voters may be really
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  Speaker 2: unhappy with Republicans and planning to vote for Democrats, but
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  Speaker 2: then are ultimately not super satisfied with Democrats either.
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  Speaker 3: I was surprised to see that.
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  Speaker 2: 70% of people say they are dissatisfied with the Democratic
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  Speaker 2: Party and only 5% are very satisfied, which is a
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  Speaker 2: third of the number of people that are very satisfied
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  Speaker 2: with Trump.
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  Speaker 3: And I get being, look, Republicans are in power.
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  Speaker 2: This is representing people that hate Democrats. It's represented by
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  Speaker 2: people that wish Democrats would fight more. It's represented by Democrat.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone who has a criticism of the Democrats is represented
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  Speaker 2: in that number.
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  Speaker 1: But the fact that- Where would you be in that
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  Speaker 1: when someone asks you? I would be- I would be unsatisfied.
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  Speaker 3: I'm unsatisfied, baby.
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  Speaker 1: I'm unsatisfied. But then when they gave me the generic
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  Speaker 1: ballot thing, I'd be right there. I'd be right there.
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  Speaker 2: But just the fact that like right now, if this
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  Speaker 2: whole big, beautiful country of ours, there's only 5% of
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  Speaker 2: people that just love the democratic party.
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  Speaker 3: Like we talk a lot about the base. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: we don't really have, you know, the Trump has a
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  Speaker 3: base that is, who are those people?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Who are those 5%? I love everything they're doing. Can't
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  Speaker 3: wait to see him on tour.
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  Speaker 1: Like some of the, some of the staffers, maybe.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Relatives, a couple of folks on blue sky. I don't know. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so anyway, that was, that's what stood out to you.
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  Speaker 3: That stood out to me.
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  Speaker 2: And then there was, uh, uh, There was a number
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  Speaker 2: on AI that I thought was just interesting that only
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  Speaker 2: 16% of people think AI is more good than bad.
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  Speaker 2: The vast majority are either undecided or think it's more
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  Speaker 2: bad than good.
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  Speaker 3: And it comes in a weekend where there's all these
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  Speaker 3: commencement addresses where students are booing the mere mention of
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  Speaker 3: AI by the speakers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I love.
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  Speaker 3: You can tell there's something afoot there.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there is. Yes, there is. Tommy, what did you think?
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  Speaker 1: I liked that.
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  Speaker 3: I noticed that 64% in the Times poll said, They
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  Speaker 3: think that going to war with Iran was the wrong decision,
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  Speaker 3: including 73% of independents. That is pretty clear cut. And
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  Speaker 3: it's not going to get better as this thing kind
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  Speaker 3: of drags out and the straightover moves remains closed and
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  Speaker 3: the price of gas goes up. 76% rate economic conditions
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  Speaker 3: today is only fair or poor. That is quite bad.
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  Speaker 3: And then, you know, the glass half full thing of
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  Speaker 3: the Democratic Party was 50% say they will vote Democrat,
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  Speaker 3: 39% say they will vote Republican in the midterms. So
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  Speaker 3: it's one of the better numbers today. of that nature
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  Speaker 3: I think we've seen in a while.
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  Speaker 1: We've been saying Trump bad for so long now that
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  Speaker 1: when there's a poll this bad, it's almost like there's
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  Speaker 1: a crying wolf thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Or like, you know, not Trump's, I mean, Trump's always
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  Speaker 1: been bad, but like, this is it for Trump. The
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  Speaker 1: walls are closing in. But Nate Cohn points out in
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  Speaker 1: his write-up of the poll, no president's approval rating has
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  Speaker 1: been under 38% for more than a few days in
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  Speaker 1: the last 17 years, according to our average. Now we've
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  Speaker 1: got Donald Trump. And then he realized 17 years is
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  Speaker 1: George W. Bush, which just makes us really old. But
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  Speaker 1: that is the last president to be this unpopular for
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  Speaker 1: this long. The fact that this is worse than January
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  Speaker 1: 6th now for him.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the economic indicators are just so bad. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: 76% say they're concerned about their personal finances, the CBS poll.
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  Speaker 3: 67% say they're stressed. Both of those have been ticked
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  Speaker 3: up at the last year. Only 29% in the CBS,
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  Speaker 3: recent CBS poll said the economy is good. 77% say
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  Speaker 3: their income is not keeping up with inflation. So like
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  Speaker 3: gas prices are just killing everybody. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: To me, like you look at it too, what's hidden
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  Speaker 2: is just how many people have just, they're done, right?
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  Speaker 2: You get, look at this poll and it's, basically almost half,
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  Speaker 2: not quite half the country. They don't approve on Iran.
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  Speaker 2: They don't approve on the economy. They don't approve on
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  Speaker 2: cost of living. They don't approve on immigration.
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  Speaker 1: They are done.
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  Speaker 2: And the number of people who now say Trump has
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  Speaker 2: personally made their economic circumstances worse, 44%, which has gone
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  Speaker 2: up by like eight points since the last time. Like,
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  Speaker 2: so it's gone up from out of the third of
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  Speaker 2: the country. It's rising up to nearly half are no
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  Speaker 2: longer saying just, I don't just disapprove. Like I'm feeling
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  Speaker 2: personally that he's not doing what he said he was
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  Speaker 2: going to do. So that to me was, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: stood out. One other thing that stood out just about
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  Speaker 2: what's happening with Iran, that we had a lot of
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  Speaker 2: internet debates about the anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism and the Democrats'
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  Speaker 2: position on Israel. Meanwhile, opposition to economic and military support
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  Speaker 2: to Israel has gone from 38% to 57% over the
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  Speaker 2: last two and a half to three years. Support has
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  Speaker 2: gone from 54% to 37%. Same number as Trump's approval.
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  Speaker 2: Support for Israel, financial aid, support for.
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  Speaker 1: Israel is the is just about as popular as Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump in this country.
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  Speaker 2: And so, look, this is not an argument that's being
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  Speaker 2: lost on the margins, and it's not an argument that's
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  Speaker 2: being lost based on who gets platformed and who doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: There's a huge shift that has happened. I think you
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  Speaker 2: can lay that at the feet of Benjamin Netanyahu and
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden and Donald Trump. But the sooner people make
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  Speaker 2: this less about the specific individuals they dislike, often with
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  Speaker 2: good reason, and more about the deeper shift that is happening...
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  Speaker 2: I think the sooner people can actually reckon with what
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  Speaker 2: is a real and lasting damage that has happened to
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  Speaker 2: America's relationship with Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Axios wrote a story this morning about
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  Speaker 1: just the horrific anti-Semitism being directed towards members of Congress
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  Speaker 1: and voicemails and threats and all that. And it's horrible.
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  Speaker 1: And I would just say that I do think it's
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  Speaker 1: important to separate virulent anti-Semitism from people who are pro-Israel
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  Speaker 1: and making the case for supporting Israel. I think we
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  Speaker 1: talked about this last week, but Josh Gottheimer's op-ed about
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  Speaker 1: anti-Semitism and my party has a problem too. It starts
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  Speaker 1: with talking about actual anti-Semitism and then halfway through it
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  Speaker 1: suddenly veers into, oh, and also Democrats are voting against
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  Speaker 1: funding military aid to Israel.
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  Speaker 3: Which is now a majority position.
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  Speaker 1: That should not be in the same op-ed.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Netanyahu says that he wants to wean off military
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  Speaker 3: support for Israel, so yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I would say the only other thing that stood out
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  Speaker 1: to me is on the generic ballot, there's real movement
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  Speaker 1: just within the Times poll, right? Because every poll is
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  Speaker 1: a single poll, snapshot in time, but you take a
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  Speaker 1: poll over time and it was D plus two to
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  Speaker 1: D plus five for the beginning part of Trump's term,
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  Speaker 1: second term in the Times-Siena polls. And now it's D
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  Speaker 1: plus 11. It's a big shift. And then when they
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  Speaker 1: take it to only almost certain or very likely voters,
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  Speaker 1: it's D plus 14. So- even that D plus 11
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  Speaker 1: is like, may not be what we ultimately see because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the most motivated voters end up turning out
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  Speaker 1: in a midterm more so than in a general election.
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  Speaker 1: So that's, it's pretty big. And it's late May, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not a ton of time left.
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  Speaker 3: Knock on wood.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, Trump still has time to become
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  Speaker 3: a different person.
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  Speaker 1: The bigger news from the White House on Monday was
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: the announcement that President Trump's Justice Department is settling Donald
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Trump's lawsuit against the IRS for $ 1. 776 billion. Get it?
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  Speaker 1: Get it? Get it? That is money that will be
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  Speaker 1: taken directly from taxpayers and funneled into a slush fund
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  Speaker 1: that apparently exists to pay Trump supporters who were investigated
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  Speaker 1: or indicted or convicted... during the Biden administration, or I
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  Speaker 1: guess none of those things, because there's really no guardrails whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like they did this so Trump wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: attacked for directly pocketing taxpayer dollars, but I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: this move is as clever as they think. What about
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  Speaker 1: you guys?
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  Speaker 3: Trump's second term is a political smash and grab job,
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  Speaker 3: where he and his family and the people around him,
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  Speaker 3: people who do his bidding, just take what they want,
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  Speaker 3: get rewarded. They take it from taxpayers, they trade on polymarket,
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  Speaker 3: they front run the stock market, and I think the
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  Speaker 3: fact that Trump is doing this before the midterms just
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  Speaker 3: shows that he doesn't give a shit about politics anymore.
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  Speaker 3: It's all about money and it's all about building monuments
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  Speaker 3: to himself and ingratiating, you know, enriching himself. And they
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  Speaker 3: made an end run around the judge in this case
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  Speaker 3: and they just cut a deal with another political appointee
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  Speaker 3: that he had named to create the slush fund. And
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: do you think they thought it was cute saying it
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  Speaker 3: was 1.776? Doesn't that just make the whole thing feel
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  Speaker 3: like made up and arbitrary? More than anything else?
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  Speaker 1: They think it's like, oh, we've got patriotism and America's
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  Speaker 1: 250 is coming up. And so if we call it
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  Speaker 1: a patriotic fund for patriots, then no one will get
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  Speaker 1: mad at us.
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  Speaker 3: Shouldn't a fund to pay out restitution to people harmed
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  Speaker 3: be based on like metrics.
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  Speaker 2: And not an anniversary? Where's the number coming from? How
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: much earnings did you lose when you were at the
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Capitol on January 6th?
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: I will say.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: Congress passed a law.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: To give the Department of Justice basically an unlimited fund
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: for restitution for anyone who sues the federal government. And
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: so that's how they ended up doing this. So it's like,
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: it is a, one of those technically legal, but extremely
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: corrupt things that we have because of a stupid law
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: that was passed that no one, no one thought to themselves,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: maybe there'll be an administration that just has the fund
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: being unlimited because the president will sue himself. We'll see
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: what's on.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Well, in fairness to people that wrote that law, you
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: would also assume that if it were to be so
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: completely and obviously and brazenly abused by a president, who's
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: basically just going into the treasury and stuffing his pockets
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: and leaving that there might be a Congress that would
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: care about that, uh, which we, we don't have just
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: like to Tommy's point, the judge was like, Hey, before
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: this lawsuit by Trump against his own administration, which is unprecedented,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: that's being administered by his, uh, personal attorney, former personal
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: attorney at the department of justice. I want you to
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: come in and explain to me how you're actually parties
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: in opposition, how you're not on the same side of
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: this thing.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: And they're like, Oh, the deadline's May 20th. That's when
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: now it's May 18th.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: And so basically proving the point that the judge was
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: worried about, uh, they have decided to reach a, reach
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: a deal beforehand. Now the justice department If it was
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: actually advocating on behalf of taxpayers, the American people, which
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: is what it's supposed to do, it would fight this
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: thing to the bitter end or at the very least
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: settle for $ 0, which has happened in not exactly similar,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: but cases that are akin to this in the past.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: But instead they're doing this.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Ken Griffin.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, doing this.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: He settled the same case. His taxpayer info was leaked
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: and he settled it for $ 0.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: For $ 0.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: He's got a public apology from the IRS.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Because he didn't pay. And that is something that could
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: have come of this. But it said, no, they are
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: proving that they are in cahoots here. by doing this
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: kind of a settlement. They're using a ridiculous justification based
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: on something that happened in the Obama administration, which even
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: conservative legal scholars have batted down because that had actual
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: specific people who were harmed by an actual specific policy
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: unlike this. My pitch is James Comey, Tish James, LaMonica McIver,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Lisa Cook, Jerome Powell, they should all be submitting when
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: this thing comes out. They should put their names in
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: to get money from this fund. And if they do
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: not receive a fair hearing, they should sue the federal government.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Like there are people that are being politically prosecuted by
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the government. As far as we know publicly, nobody on
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: that list would not be kind of at least potentially
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: included in the people hurt that could receive from this 1776.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: My pitch is no one gets it. Give us the
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: fucking money back. That's our money.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: To be clear, I don't think James Comey should get
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: money from the federal government, but I think we should
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: put this thing through its paces.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Trump appoints the board. It's five people. He gets to
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: hire and fire the board. It's going to be five
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: cronies dishing out money. This thing doesn't even have to
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, and here was my case, and it
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: was tried incorrectly. Someone just can go to fucking whoever
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Todd Blanche puts on the commission and be like, hey,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I want $ 10, 000 because I donated to the president. And
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I'm mad that Joe Biden sent the FBI after me.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Do you have proof of that? No, but I just
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: know they were watching me.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. They're at the point where they're just saying,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: we're going to take money from the treasury.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Give it to whoever we want.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: And give it to our friends.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Particularly people who are maybe criminals. To let everyone else
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: know that if you commit a crime on Trump's behalf,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: not only do you not go to jail, but perhaps
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: you might get some compensation for it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was asked at the press conference today,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: could this potentially go to people who committed violence on
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: January 6th? He said, oh, it's going to be up
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: to the committee. Absolutely, those people would be eligible, could
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: totally receive money from this fund.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: He pretends he doesn't know about it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. Also, it's a danger going forward, too, as we're
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: heading into 2028 and Donald Trump and J.D. Vance or
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: whoever the fuck it is tries to stay in the
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: White House after they lose an election and a bunch
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: of people do their bidding for them to help them out.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: What do you think they're going to think? They're going
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to be like, well, if he stays in there and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I help him out, I'm going to be okay. I'm
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: going to get a pardon, might get paid. Great.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: You guys don't like my idea that James Comey tries
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: to get into that fund? Come on. Yeah, I mean,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I see what you're saying. I think he should write
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: out the amount he wants. In shells. Yeah. Any shell-based
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: crime should apply.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of Trump allies getting away with crimes, what do
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you guys make of Jared Polis, governor of Colorado, Democrat,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: commuting the prison sentence of election denier Tina Peters? She
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: is the former county clerk from Mesa County, Colorado. She
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: was in jail for orchestrating a security breach of her
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: county's voting system. Trump has been publicly and privately pressuring
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Polis to pardon her completely. They also tried to transfer
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: her from state prison to federal prison so that Trump
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: could pardon her. Didn't do that. But now Polis has
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: commuted her sentence. She was sentenced to nine years. He
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: cut it to four and a half years with parole
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: next month.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I have to be honest. I know this is not
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: a great answer for the purposes of a talk show.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I just couldn't give less of a shit. I know
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: people are like outraged about this. I read JBL's long
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: piece on this. I don't give a shit.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I have so much to be outraged or to worry about.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I just can't even get myself to engage with this person.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I may even go a step further. I think Poulos
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: might've done the right thing.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: By cutting your sentence down? Wow. I gotta go. Excuse me, boys.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: If you need me, I'll be at the fucking bulwark.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Where the real libs are now.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Go on. I'm not, I don't feel strongly. I'm, I'm
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: more into, I'm closer to Tommy's camp, but like, here's
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the thing. Um, she was sentenced to nine years, right? She's,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: so she's a nonviolent first time offender and, uh, three
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: appellate judges who were appointed by a Democrat. They were
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: democratic judges. They all just ruled that they threw out
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the sentence, the nine year sentence. So that was never
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: going to happen. And the reason they threw it out
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: is because they thought that the judge, um, basically in
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: giving her a nine year sentence as opposed to a
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: smaller sentence, violated her free speech rights because the judge
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: basically said the reason I'm making your sentence longer is
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: because you spouted election conspiracy theories. Which is a horrible
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: thing to do, spouting election conspiracy theories, but that is
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: protected First Amendment speech. I thought we have to be consistent.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: But anyway.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: But hold on, hold on.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that, but we understand that if someone were
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: to say, hit somebody with their car, and then publicly say,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that bitch deserved it, that is free speech. You have
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the right to say that, but it does, Potentially inform
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the sentence.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Does it?
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Of course it does.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Of course we allow remorse in people's motivations and feelings
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: about the crimes they committed, what they've learned from it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: That's the. Well, she was she was I mean, but
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the no remorse thing was already factored in because she
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: didn't she she was not remorseful. Right. She was sentenced.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: But he didn't say you didn't show remorse. He said
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: it's because you have these theories.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that we take people's motivations and expressions.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I agree that people have the right to believe elections
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: are stolen. I'm just saying it's a little bit more
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: than just the first.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Continue, sorry.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm saying if we believe that there is
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: an incarceration problem in this country and that people are
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: incarcerated for too long and that prison is a deterrent,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and yes, people should be jailed and they should be
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: kept from society, but that unusually long sentences... are bad,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: especially for first-time nonviolent offenders, don't we have to extend
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that belief to people whose political beliefs we detest?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So I would say the answer is we should allow
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a process to play out. She would have been resentenced.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Why did this become a big public controversy? It is
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: because the president of the United States is publicly pressuring
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the governor of Colorado to commute Tina Peters' sentence. Now, look,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I am sure Jared Polis would say that the pressure
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: had nothing to do with it. Obviously, the fact that
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump was threatening Colorado unless he did something. Donald
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Trump was saying this woman should be pardoned. He is
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: saying it's some kind of pushback against Trump, that it's
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: only a commutation. She has kind of done the bare
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: minimum of acknowledging that what she did was wrong. But
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: if you go to her Twitter feed, her allies were saying,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: as recently as I believe last week, I have to
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: go look at the exact timing, that if Trump... that
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: if Tina Peters isn't released, Trump should invade the state
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: of Colorado. It is a nonviolent offense.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that should happen.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Well, right, but it just, it goes to, like, the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: reason somebody who even commits a, look, there are a
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: lot of first-time offenders who do something that are part
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: of a, that are part of something so dangerous that
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: you have to say, wait a second, yes, it's a
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: nonviolent offense, but it goes to the core of what
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: we are as a society, the safety of our democracy.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: And so he has given into that pressure from Trump
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: rather than.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Let the process happen. play out.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: So that, I think, is a huge problem. I don't
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: know that we'd be having this conversation if Donald Trump
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: hadn't personally intervened to try to get the governor to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: do something.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: And then it seems as though he did it. After
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: listening to this thoughtful debate, I still don't give a shit.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I might care less, actually, than when we said he's kidding.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It is interesting. I would say that it's more interesting
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to me in that I think he might have been
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the right thing. I do think I would like to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: hear Jared Polis answer the question why didn't you just
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: wait for the resentencing of the three appellate judges? Like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: what made you not want to just wait for their
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: decision if they were going to throw out the sentence anyway?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I would like to know that question.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I'd also say, too, that the Republican prosecutor was against
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: this and said that you should talk to the people
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that were impacted by Tina Peter's schemes before you'd make
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: this decision.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: He's also a prosecutor. Well, sure. That's how prosecutors are.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: But community.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: There's also a defendant who pled guilty to almost the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: same charges in the Georgia Rico case.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: And.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: was sentenced no time and probation.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, there's all kinds of unfairnesses and
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: unequal application of sentences all across the country all the time.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: If that were the case, you'd go and say, oh, well,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: there's somebody else who was given less. You can commute
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: most sentences that way.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: But I think, look, in this one case.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And he commuted it. It wasn't just her. He commuted
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: like 35 or 50 commutations or something like that in
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the same day.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I think he has to answer for whether or not
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: he gave in to Trump's political pressure. And we are
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: in a moment where, like, Donald Trump is threatening elections again. Like,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: this is a grave threat to the republic. Why does
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: our generosity, our sense of justice, our empathy turn for
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Tina Peters when there are so many others who deserve it?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: That's all. And I don't think it should. I don't
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: think it should. I don't think we should be generous
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: or empathetic at all. I think we should just be like,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: what is the standard? Like, is there a process to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: reach the decision? Did it meet a standard? I do
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: think that like criticizing polls for it is completely fine.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Like you can criticize them for it. You can say
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: it's fine. Some people are, and people who I like
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: in politics too and support are like calling for his
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: impeachment over this. And I'm like, I don't, I just,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I do not think it rises to the level of it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Everybody's at a nine all the time these days.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I can't get there. I can get there. I can get,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I can get to like your criticism for sure. I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: can't get to, he should be impeached over this. I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw that, uh, Trump's latest
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: financial disclosures show that he and or his financial advisors
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: made more than 3,700 stock trades in the first quarter
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of this year, uh, bought $ 1 million each in companies
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: with business before his administration, like Nvidia, Oracle, Microsoft, Boeing,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and Palantir, which he bought right before he praised the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: company on truth social in a post that if you recall,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: even included the company's ticker symbol. Um, Now, I know
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: this may look suspicious, but the White House did say
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that Trump's assets are in a blind trust managed by
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: his children. So there are, quote, no conflicts of interest.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Seems fine, right?
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: This is, did they really? I thought there was no
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: blind trust. I thought they'd already previously said there wasn't
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: a blind trust.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Either way, managed by your children. It's a blind trust management.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense. Again, this is part of
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: the political smash and grab job. I mean, they're making
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: money everywhere.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: This is crazy.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: So Bloomberg reported Trump had trades that involved, Tesla, Nvidia, Apple, Meta, Visa, Citi, Boeing, Qualcomm,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: and GE, top executives from all of those companies were
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: on his trip to Beijing to meet with Chinese President
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Xi Jinping. So you don't think he's getting insider information?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Having that access, talking to them, cutting deals with them.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Some of the stock trades included up to 680 grand
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: worth of Eli Lilly right as the administration was preparing
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: policies that would benefit their GLP-1 business. He took a
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: couple of huge positions in NVIDIA right before they announced
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: major news. There was a $ 1 to $ 5 million position
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: a week before they announced a partnership with Meta. Then
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: there was a half a million to a million dollar
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: position a week before the Commerce Department announced some determinations
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: to do with NVIDIA. They're buying and selling Intel stock,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: which the US government took a 10% stake in the company.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: This is insanity.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: This is such a coincidence.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Paul Pelosi somewhere is like, what the fuck, man? I
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: could have been doing this so much better. We're sort
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: of past. Every single... Well, Jesus. I'm like Jim Cramer now.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Did you see the clip of Jim Cramer? He just
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: glitched out for six weeks.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Can we drop it in here? Let's drop in the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Jim Cramer clip.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: The president's been trading some intel in the quarter.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He's trading.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Got nothing to say about it?
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: But....
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right. Don't worry.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: We're not having technical difficulties here, everybody.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: What's funny about the Jim Cramer clip is that it's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: like people are like, oh, wow, he's so he's stammering
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: because he can't figure out what to say about this.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: But when I was watching, I was like, is he
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: stammering because he can't figure out what to say about this?
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Or is he making a joke about how it's so
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: beyond the pale, but he doesn't want to be critical
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: of Trump in this moment?
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Like, I didn't know.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: What what are we what are we what why is
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: he stammering?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: He knows what's going on, but get in Jim Cramer's head.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: But we're just no.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Don't live and run free inside of Jim Cramer's head.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: But the, the, like the, we're at a new level
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: of brazen corruption because every step along the way, nobody
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: has stopped him to get to this point.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Like he can't, the thing that I find stunning about
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: all this is that there's no, um, like the level
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: of brazenness is going up, but the dollar amount isn't always,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: it's like, why are we doing 500 grand stock trades?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: billion dollar crypto theft and the watches.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Like why?
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Like why? You know what I mean?
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Like, it just, it's just all of it's like leftover
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: from the old world. Right. You had to just do corruption. Well,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: like the watches, the hotel rooms, we're getting you the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Trump phones, but they're not coming. Yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: That part doesn't make sense. But the aggregate stock trades
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: was a range between 211 and $ 687 million. So that's
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: a pretty good quarter.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: It's also like the, just the volume of trading. Bloomberg
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: interviewed this guy, Eric Dighton, who's the president manager director
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: at the Wealth Alliance. And he said, I'm baffled. In
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the 40 plus years of my time on Wall Street,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: this is an unusual amount of trading by any standards.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: We need to see the actual trades to try and
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: understand why anyone would want to do that much trading.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: It's just like, what's happening? Like the practical way in
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: which this is being done. Like, is there a team
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: that is doing this? Is it Suns through their, like,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: it feels like they've got like, like Christopher Moltisanti trying
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: to like push Webistics. Like he's got like some fucking
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: back office in New Jersey somewhere with computers.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: No, it's just Baron Trump in the outer oval with
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: a shitload of Adderall.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Just like minority reporting it. Like I can see the future.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I know what's going to happen at the commerce meeting
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: next week. I know that I have the BLS data.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: That's just because he's got the briefing book.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: They took like seven transactions related to Boeing. One was
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: between one to $ 5 million. Like the biggest deliverable of
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: the China trip was to get the Chinese to buy
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: a bunch of Boeing planes. And by the way, the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: announcement was so underwhelming that the stock went down because
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: they did a shitty job.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Which still uses proof that, see, it wasn't a good announcement.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you thought it was. You tried to
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: trade on inside information. It just turns out you suck
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: at diplomacy. That was the problem.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: You're good at the crimes. You're bad at diplomacy. Got
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to deliver on that shit. All right. So Trump's also
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: doing his best to drag the Republican Party down with him.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: On Saturday, he sent yet another message that dissent will
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: not be tolerated when his chosen primary challenger, Congresswoman Julia Letlow,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: took out Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy, whose sin was voting
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to convict Trump in the January 6th impeachment trial. Cassidy
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: went down in flames. He got third in Louisiana's primary,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the first time an incumbent senator has come in lower
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: than second place since 1944. Trump's next target is Thomas Massey,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: who's trying to unseat in Tuesday's Kentucky primary. Massey has
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: been the strongest and kind of the only Republican in
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the House breaking with Trump on Epstein, Iran, and the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: big beautiful bill. Trump has been posting about Massey nonstop.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I think right before he recorded, he did like a
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: video from the Oval, which is very legal and normal.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to just tell people to vote against Thomas Massey.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: We're going to run the midterms on the Hatch Act,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I assume.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah. He's grabbing the $ 2 billion for his slush
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: fund and then trading on NVIDIA and Boeing.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Pete Hegseth was doing an event in Kentucky today.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: His personal capacity. His personal capacity.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: And then Trump announces that he's delayed an imminent military
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: assault on Iran that.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Was supposed to happen tomorrow. Yeah, what was Pete going
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: to do?
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: That seems like bad timing. Feels like you need him
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: for that. Yeah. Maybe you don't. Maybe you don't. Who's
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: going to drink the booze?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Too early to say what will happen in the Massey race,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: but it certainly seems like Massey himself is staying loose.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Here he is on Sunday doing his best Trump impression.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Whenever I call him, I got to schedule a minute
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: for the first thing he tells me every time I
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: call him. Massey, you're a sharp cookie. You went to MIT.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: You know my professor was... My uncle was Professor John G. Trump.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: He was at MIT 41 years. It's a record. And,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: you know, I went to Wharton, which is basically the
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: hardest school in the world to get into. So I've
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: got even better genetics than you.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I kind of want him to lose now. I was
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: rooting for him until just then.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: He's going for it, you know.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: You've got to be wary of the Trump impression. Don't
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: do it unless you really feel good about it.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: There's just too many people doing it and it's too
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: big a target.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Anyone have thoughts on the primary? How big of a
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: deal this is?
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: On Bill Cassidy, fuck that guy. He thought he could
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: appease MAGA by voting for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: end up selling his soul and his credentials as a
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: doctor and being worst of all worlds. And he knew better,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: and we know it because he told us as much
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: before he flip-flopped. And so would I rather have him
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: in the Senate than his replacement? Yes, I would. But ultimately,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: I don't think it'll make a big difference. Thomas Massey
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: is a different story. He's the reason we have the
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Epstein files, because he worked with Ro Khanna to get
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: him released. He's a principled vote against wars and militarism
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: and lots of other things. I don't agree with him
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: on everything. We don't share the same worldview. I don't
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: send out Christmas cards with me and my kids with
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: machine guns like I think he did one time. But, um, yeah,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: you know, it would be a big loss. And I
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: think it tells you everything you need to know about
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump's political worldview, that he will not lift a
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: finger to help his party build, but he will take
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: down anyone who criticizes him. It was all about punishing
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: his own critics and the cult of personality and protecting
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: his personal power and not about the party or doing anything.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I think he's far more passionate about defeating his enemies
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: than he is about helping his friends. Yeah. With Cassidy,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: you go back to that, to him, uh, uh, approving
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: RFK Jr. and accepting his fake assurances in his private meetings,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: pretending that RFK didn't believe what he obviously believed.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: And like, no, you can't, you can't sell half your soul.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: He doesn't work like that. They're not divisible in that way.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: And so these guys that end up being reluctantly for Trump,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: they don't, they're not better politicians.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: They're just worse whores, you know? So our, you know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Good riddance, I suppose.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I will say there's a lot being made because we
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: had Indiana and then Cassidy and then Massey. But this
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: is sort of the last gasp of this forever. I mean,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: it's Louisiana, too. What do you expect is going to happen?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: This is Trump's last midterms.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And do we think he's going to be spending time
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: in 28 going around doing primary challenges? I mean, maybe.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: But also, does it lose its force at some point?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He's already a lame duck. He clearly
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: has the juice to do it now. but as we
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: get to 28 and then beyond that, like what is,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: this is, it's a, what did we, what did we
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: learn from that?
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: That he's a vindictive prick who only cares about himself and,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: And I think we also learned that like, you know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: nothing's breaking the fever in the Republican party. The party's
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: broken and you've got to massively, you've just got to
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: defeat them at every level because all the ones who
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: are left are completely loyal to dear leader. And that's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: about that. And I do think also he might've, he
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: might've fucked himself a little cause now you got, angry Cassidy,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: who's still got votes left to take between now and
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the end of the year. Massey loses. Tillis has already
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: been doing it. And so they can make his life
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: more difficult. And I do wonder now, between now and November,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: if this makes it harder for Republicans to break away
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: from Trump, even though primaries are over, because they worry
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: that they're going to get punished. I don't know.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: It's just it look it remains sort of extraordinary right
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: bill Cassidy like Could not persuade his own voters He
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: would have voted for him multiple times in the past
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: to stick with him once Trump turned right like it
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: just tells you something about the the voter showing up
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: in these Republican primaries and what they What they want
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: and there was no the fact that Cassidy was a
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: vote for impeachment and that Trump had fully turned against
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: him There was nothing he could do to convince them
• 39:07
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• 41:02
  Speaker 1: It's been a bit since we talked about the stalemate
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: in Iran. Trump posted on Sunday that, quote, the clock
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: is ticking for Iran to make a deal. But by Monday,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the clock apparently restarted. Trump posted that the U.S., quote,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: will not be doing the scheduled attack of Iran tomorrow, a.k.a. Tuesday,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the day you're listening to this, because the leaders of Qatar,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, and the UAE asked him to hold off
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: due to serious negotiations that are now taking place. Trump
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: did add that the U.S. is prepared to attack Iran, quote,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: on a moment's notice, in the event that an acceptable
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: deal is not reached. On Monday, it was also reported
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that Iran sent its latest peace proposal through Pakistan to
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the U.S., which the White House seems likely to reject,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: even as the Pentagon and Israel are, quote, engaged in
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: intense preparations, the largest since the ceasefire took effect for
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: the possible resumption of attacks against Iran, according to the
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: New York Times. What do you make of the back
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and forth here, Tommy? Like, any chance that Trump's latest
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: threat to destroy Iran got them closer to a deal,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: scared them into it?
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think so, but can we just talk about
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: these statements where he name checks a bunch of autocrats?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: They're so weird.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: You don't have to do that, but he's always like,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: on behalf of the great and highly respected field marshal
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Asim Mounir, I've decided not to exterminate Iran.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: The delivery date for that plane was supposed to be
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: the 4th, but he moved up for his birthday. So
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: he wants the Qataris to get that plane there fast.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: It's the same way that he does the....
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Uh, personality stuff with G like he enjoys the idea
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: that governing doesn't involve anyone except the people in the room.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Like there's no people deciding, right.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: They're just great men making big decisions together at a
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: collaboration and friendship. And so he's not doing it for
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the good of the country. He's doing it because he
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: was He has this great rapport with these leaders.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: The Pakistanis in particular, they cut a big crypto deal
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: with the World Liberty Financial, so that's why he likes them.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: But you do five seconds of research into the great
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and respected Field Marshal, and you find the UK authorities
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: have charged him with torture and crimes against humanity. That's
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: the guy he's name-checking.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: But regardless, big picture. Sounds like a guy you'd like.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're any closer to a deal.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I assume we're in the same place. Iran thinks they
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: have a lot of leverage because they can close straight
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: over Moose. They know Trump is weakened politically. They know
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: that he wants out of this. He doesn't want to
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: go back to war. And so they're going to wait
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: for the United States to walk back some of the
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: more maximalist positions or just get sick of the shit
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: and move on.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Just imagine some sort of Iranian underling kind of going
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: down the stairs into the bunker where the. where the
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: recuperating Ayatollah is pointing at the Siena numbers and saying, look, look.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: We got them. We got them right where we want them.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: We got Nekom. Diving into the crosstabs. Iran, there's all
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: these leaks still. Iran reportedly has up to 75% of
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: its missile stockpile. Almost all of its infrastructure along the
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Strait of Hormuz is operational for them to shut it down.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: They could always make things worse.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: The Strait of Hormuz also now has its own Twitter account.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Does it? Yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Like Carl the Fog in San Francisco? Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: No, they're calling it something more official, but it's like
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the Iranian government. Oh, it's the Iranian government doing it? Yeah, yeah.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Are we doing it in Lego? No, they just made
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: an official Twitter account so we can get updates from
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the straight.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Just personifying the straight.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of cool.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Like sort of red, green, yellow.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: A lot of red.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Like sort of when you get the like sig alerts
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: in like California traffic, it's like, oh my God, the
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: straighter moves is red today.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Fuck.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be late. Honey, I'm going to be late.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: You're going to have traffic helicopters over it. reporting on
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the nines and fives uh nbc reported last week that
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: the administration is considering changing the name of the war
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: from operation epic fury to operation sledgehammer we have to
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: get a little more phallic again uh or something else
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: entirely in order to quote effectively restart the clock with
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: congress is that how it works new operation name now
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: they can't get you no now you can do whatever
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: wars you want like it's i love.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: This idea that you know the War Powers Act is
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: such a weak piece of legislation that you can just
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: do like a bureaucratic tweak and get around it. I mean,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: it's just crazy. It's obviously the same conflict, like changing
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the name doesn't matter. Every president since Nixon has claimed
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: the War Powers Act is unconstitutional. They all hate it,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: but it was enacted over Nixon's veto in 1973. And
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: so Congress has leverage here if they want to use it.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Republicans refuse to use it. Maybe they'll man up now,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: but we'll see.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Trump also wants us to know that he's not just
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: focused on Wars far away from home. He's focused on
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: wars right in our own backyard still. There have been
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: a bunch of rumblings about the long-rumored regime change move
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: in Cuba. Sources told the AP last week that the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: administration is looking to indict former Cuban President Raul Castro,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: brother of Fidel, even though he's no longer in power.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Then over the weekend, Marco Puto reported that according to
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: classified U.S. intel, Cuba has over 300 drones and has
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: recently considered launching them against U.S. military targets in even
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Key West, Florida. which could serve as a handy pretext
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: for an invasion. Cuba's current president, Miguel Diaz-Canel, responded on
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: social media on Monday, writing the quote, Cuba poses no threat,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: nor does it have aggressive plans or intentions against any country,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: including the U.S., and that a U.S. attack would, quote,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: trigger a bloodbath. What do you make of the Cuba stuff?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: It seems like he's gearing up. You want to kick
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: us off on Cuba?
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think we should go to war with Cuba
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: right now. In the Times poll, there was a question
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: that was something like, when do you believe the U.S.,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: should launch a war against countries that have not attacked us.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: And it was like 70% are like, don't do that.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Never. Don't do that. Unless someone has attacked us, we
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: shouldn't go to war.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good idea.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Whatever Trump had come to believe about killing Soleimani, getting
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Maduro out of Venezuela, and how fun that was, he
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: sees the polls showing how unpopular the war in Iran is.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I hope that that has at the very least chastened
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: them from their kind of idea that they can be
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: regime topplers without it kind of consuming their politics.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: But it's terrifying.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: It's terrifying to imagine that they were going to see
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: what they're doing in the Middle East and decide that
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: it needs to be brought closer down.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I read the story. It was
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: such an obvious pretext to me. But I mean, look,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: I don't doubt the intel. Like, is Cuba acquiring drones? Well,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: it's 2026 and every military has or is acquiring drones.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: It would be like not getting rifles or, you know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: machine guns in World War I. So it also says
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: like the intelligence suggests the Cubans would respond to a U.S.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: attack with drones.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say this Axios story, you
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: have to get way down to reality check, which is
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: three paragraphs, four paragraphs from the bottom till you find
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: out that. Oh, by the way, the intel is that
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: it's retaliatory.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: This is not a preemptive strike on Miami. This is
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: what they would do if we attacked them, because we
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: all know if they did a preemptive strike on Miami,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: that would be suicidal, because it would fucking flatten the country.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I also just would like to think that if we
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: are on the verge of going to war with another country,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: that the evidence would not be laundered through anonymous sources
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: into a daily tip sheet, that perhaps there'd be more information.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I have bad news for you. Judy Miller would
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: like a word with you, pal.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: But that was the New York Times.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Sorry, you're right, you're right.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: I do think, though, every indicator light is flashing... when
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: it comes to possible regime change operations, because there's this leak,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: which creates the pretext of this being an imminent threat.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: There was CIA director John Ratcliffe just went to Cuba
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: and had this message from Trump. There is the indictment,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: the rumored indictment of Raul Castro, which was a very
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: important part of the case for why they had to
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: do what they did against Maduro, which was extract him
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: from Venezuela and bring him to New York for prosecution.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: There's been all these reports of a huge increase of
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: intelligence overflights.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: By the US.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: So I would be very worried if I were a
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Cuban official. And meanwhile, if you're a Cuban human being
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: or citizen, like the United States has a blockade on
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: that's allowed no oil and gas into your country and
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: people are starving to death. They have one to two
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: hours of electricity a day. Hospitals can't operate. What we
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: are doing is criminal. It is absolutely evil. You're starving
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: a population of people to death. And the most likely
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: outcome is that the government collapses and there is a
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: mass exodus and migration crisis to the United States, which
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: MAGA has told us they do not want to happen.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I don't understand what these lunatics are fucking doing here,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: but it is just, it is utterly immoral, just a horrific,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: horrific policy right now.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I think that the insane thought running through Donald Trump's
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: head is his response to launching a disastrous war in
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Iran that is unpopular, that has cost us billions of dollars,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that has spiked gas prices everywhere is, I got to
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: launch a war that's more popular and easy. I got
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: to go back to the Venezuela model because they all
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: think that Venezuela was some big fucking success, right? And
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: so it's like- that was an easy one, so I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: got to get my mojo back by going to invade
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Cuba now that Iran's a big fucking mess, which is insane.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Did you see Rubio in his Maduro tracksuits?
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Like, it's all just a game. It's all just trolling.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: It's all content.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was that flattering.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: No, I think it was, I talked about this and
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I'll never leave it, but I do think... maduro wore
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: it better but the uh i'm not even joking like
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: it just looked more comfortable like rubio looked like the
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: suit was wearing him but i was looking at that
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: like why are you doing this i forget like.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: He was a little posed too it wasn't like there was.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: A lot of pose a lot of pose but but
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: like i was looking at what what are we supposed
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: to okay look what is this meant to but boy
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: you're tough you're wearing the same clothes like who what
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: what what was the message and i i now i'm
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: like oh was this about how how we'll do this again.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: We're going to do this. Is it a Cuba thing?
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: What the fuck was the outfit? What am I meant
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: to take from this photo, Stephen Chung? Yeah, that's a
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: good question. I agree with you. I do think Trump
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: wants to change the channel and get us onto a
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: new topic that isn't Iran that makes him sound tough again.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: I do think, though, that Cuba falls in the Venezuela-Iran-Cuba
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: axis of evil bucket of neocons telling him, sir, you'll
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: be a historic figure, sir, if you make big changes here.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: And he's down, it will gargle your balls.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Uh, well, I mean, you don't need to do something
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: else to get that, that that's already happening. That's priced in,
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: but you know, he's also in Florida surrounded by a
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: bunch of very like rich hard line, you know, Miami
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Cubans who, you know, have been waiting for this for
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: a long time and, you know, want their real estate
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: assets back on the Island. So I don't, I hope
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong. Maybe he'll fucking Cubano or like whatever Wall
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Street will make up a new term for it. It's
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: not going to be stupid, but, It does seem like
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: it's nerve wracking.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Well, if he doesn't do Cuba, then there's always Greenland.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Remember the critical national security issue of Greenland? A quick
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: refresher that back in January, after threatening to invade, Trump
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: did a taco and announced the, quote, framework of a
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: future deal with respect to Greenland and, in fact, the
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: entire Arctic region. Well, the New York Times is now
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: reporting that the negotiations around that framework have Greenlandic officials, quote, worried.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: as U.S. proposals, quote, amount to a major imposition on
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Greenland's sovereignty. Yeah, I bet. Greenland's specifically concerned about Trump's
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: June 14th birthday and July 4th as upcoming dates where
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Trump's attention could swing back around to them as he
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: starts thinking about his legacy. Un-fucking-real. What do you think?
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Are those concerns well-founded? What do you think about the
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Greenlandic concerns expressed in the New York Times piece?
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Let's just pause and sit in the idea that... The
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Danes are concerned that Trump will get more bellicose around
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: his birthday.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: That's where we're at.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: That's what we do. He's turning 80. You never know.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: America's turning 250. They're not going to be content with
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: just the fireworks.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: You're going to want to get some.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: No, they want Greenland.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Somebody's got to give him a little. Look, he wants
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: the great at the end of his name. He knows
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: that when the Russians got more territory, they got to
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: be the great. So we just got to find some fucking...
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Chunk of land somewhere.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Get me Cuba. Get me Greenland.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Just somewhere.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Make Venezuela the 51st state.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Something. We got to expand the map. I can't believe
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: we're talking about this again. This sucks. It sucks. It's
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: so crazy. It's like, do you guys see the Tim
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Dillon bit? We said we're not the high school bully anymore.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: We're the weird kid who may or may not have
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: a gun. Yes. We're not the quarterback. We're not the jock.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: We're the college kid who keeps going to high school parties.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Might be a pedophile. Freaked out by us. And has
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: a gun. That is us.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: That is the country.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Good work, everybody. That is it. That is it.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: I think we made a mistake electing this guy.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well.
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• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Now that we just talked about Trump potentially trying to
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: conquer several additional nations, possibly because it would look cool
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: on a map, it's probably a good time to mention
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: that there's been a revival of the debate about Trump's
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: age and fitness for the job and whether Democrats should
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: be making a bigger deal about it. Lauren Egan at
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: the Bulwark and Jonathan Lemire at the Atlantic are both
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: out with big pieces, arguing that it's time for Democrats
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: to make it a bigger issue. We get subscriber questions
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: about this a lot. We also see a lot of
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: folks on social media making the argument that if you're
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: not making as big of a deal about Trump's age
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: as you were about Biden's, You're being hypocritical. So in
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the spirit of open dialogue, I guess we're going to
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: debate it.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Let's debate it.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Let's debate.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: It.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Austin, Austin's bringing out a Vote Save America mug with
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: three positions in it.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: So I'm not going to, I'm not going to look
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: till we all, let's all open at the same time.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Pro, meaning it's something we should talk about more. Anti,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: you can guess what that means. And moderator.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, great. Ugh.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I am the moderator.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: I am anti.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Fuck. Wow. I'm pro.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Let's go, bitch. Okay. It's fucking owned. Can I get
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: a little like NBC music tonight? All right.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I'll be moderating this debate. John, you will be arguing
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: that Democrats must make a greater issue out of Donald
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Trump's age. Tommy will take the con. You have the
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: opening statement of 30 seconds.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Did Joe Biden lose the last election or have to
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: drop out of the last election because he was too old?
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Was it the biggest concern of every voter everywhere because
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: everyone made a big issue and Republicans made a big
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: issue of his age?
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Yep. So Donald Trump's hands are falling off right now.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: He looks like, he looks like it was like a
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: fucking bad, uh, morgue job on his hands before he
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: got in the casket.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: He's basically melting before our eyes. He's got all kinds
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: of bruises all over the place. Aaron Ruppar's feeds full.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Of it all.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: It's just purple. Okay. Just all of her. And yet,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: And yet Democrats are out there just talking about affordability
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: and not talking about the fact that the president of
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the United States is decomposing before our eyes. And Democrats
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: won't talk about it, even though these are the same
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Democrats that tried to push Joe Biden out of the race.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Wow. A powerful argument. Tommy, your counter.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: John, you ignorant slut.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: I don't want to get in between you and Aaron
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Ruppar's feed and your little handjob issue there with the Trump.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: But Trump is not running again. So none of this matters.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Democrats have zero credibility on this issue after spending years
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: pretending that they couldn't see Joe Biden's physical decline as
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: he was shuffling around in sneakers and falling over sandbags.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Every minute we spend talking about makeup on this decrepit
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: old man's hands is a minute we are not spending
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: talking about stock trades, the ballroom, Medicare cuts, things that
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: actually matter to people. And yeah, the napping is weird.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Admittedly.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: It's also very funny when the White House says that
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: he blinked for 10 seconds. Yeah, long blinks. These are
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: long blinks.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Admittedly, that's weird.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: But he still does a lot of events. He's out
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: there all the time. He's doing rallies. He looks vibrant.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: He's a big- Looks vibrant?
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You can't even stand up
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: and do events anymore. You can't make him a martyr.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: So let me just throw some questions in each of
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: your directions. I'll start with you, Tommy. You do notice
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: that there's a significant decline in how he communicates from
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: today to to how he communicated even four or eight
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: years ago. That his cadence has changed, that he's not
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: as clear, he is more meandering, he's posting all hours
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: of the night. Like these are things that are, should
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: be a liability.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I think he's always done these things.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: I think he's always been kind of incoherent. I think
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: he's always posted, he's never slept. But I'm curious how
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: you would explain the difference, right? Like he is, yes,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: you're right.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: He has always been this way, but I think it's
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: indisputable that it is all worse.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Like he is rambling more. He is- It's the weave.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: It's the weave. But the weave is getting worse. Do
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: you think it's getting, like, he is changing. Or better.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Depending on your perspective.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: I think, like, jokes aside, I think, I don't know
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: that I notice him that much more rambly than he
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: used to be.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Because I think he's always been rambly.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Like, he does look tired. He's legitimately falling asleep in events.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: It's noticeable.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: The hand stuff is weird. And by the way, they're
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: clearly lying about the hand stuff. Because they initially said
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: it was his handshaking hand. And then the other hand
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: had the bruising too.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: He also keeps going to the dentist.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: Dude, how many annual dentist trips are you going to have, pal?
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: He's doing a lot of dentist trips. He's doing a
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: lot of physicals. I've gone twice in two weeks, by
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the way. No one's telling us why his health is
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: the way it is. No one's asking questions about his health.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: And there's a doctor's office in the West Wing. So
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: you would only go to Walter Reed or Bethesda or
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: wherever he's going now to get specialized equipment.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: There's also the dentist's office in the White House. So
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: you've got to go to a special dentist. So John,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: question to you. How would a Democrat... who was somebody
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: who defended Joe Biden's ability to run again, make this
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: argument without seeming like they're full of shit.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I was wrong about you. Biden. And I should have
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: said something earlier. And that's what I'm doing this time around,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: because Donald Trump is in bad shape and he should
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: not be leading the country. And any Republican that still
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: supports him and that doesn't want to, you know, pressure
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: the cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment, then they are
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: just feeding into this cover up for Donald Trump's age
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: and his dementia and And he is just putting us
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: all at risk and Republicans won't do anything about it.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: And so even though he's not running again, when we
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: go into the midterms, we know that Donald Trump's approval
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: rating is highly correlated with how Republicans are going to
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: do in the midterms. And by talking more about how
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: he has dementia and he is losing his marbles, then
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: we could get his approval even lower and the Democrats
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: can then do better in the midterms.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Last question for you, Tommy. Joe Biden's age and Joe
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Biden's disapproval of the economy became linked. The fact that
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: the economy was bad was a sign he wasn't up
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: for the job. The fact that he was up for
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: the job made people doubt that he could fix the economy.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: We're trying to make an argument that Republicans, we have
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: to win the House and the Senate, and that Republicans
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: refuse to tell the truth about Donald Trump. Shouldn't the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: fact that Donald Trump is decomposing before our eyes, rambling
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: at all hours, falling asleep in meetings, shouldn't we be
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: saying these Republicans won't be honest about that hoot? Why
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: are they not telling the truth about this? What are
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: we not knowing about this? Shouldn't we be making this
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: one of the lines of argument that we use when
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: we try to accuse Republicans of not holding Trump accountable?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so allow me to flip-flop on the issue to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: respond to your leading question. Clearly, they're covering up something, right? Like,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: the guys, the multiple annual doctor visits, like, this is crazy.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: It's all pretext.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: We should push for more information. There is muscle memory here, right? Like,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: I think if we get people to, like, a critical
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: mass of concern about this, they can, they will care.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: I also just, I think Trump will hate it. If
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: we call him a sad, sick old man, he would
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: hate that. So just working that in there could be fun.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Now you argue the other side.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'll argue the other side because I think
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Tommy's best point was he's not running again. Like, and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: so what difference, as Hillary Clinton once said, what difference
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: does it make if he is decrepit, if they are
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: covering something up? He's like, the reason this was a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: potent argument against Joe Biden is because Joe Biden was
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: asking voters for four more years in office. Donald Trump,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: will never ask voters for four more years in office. No,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: he won't. He might try to stay in office, but
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: he's not going to ask voters for four more years.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, he might run for a third term.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. He's going to try to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: just sit there and be like, I got the military.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Just park? Yeah, no one's going to let him run.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: But so he's not going to ask for it. So
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: what is the purpose of Trump? If we're trying to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: win a midterm, what is the story we're trying to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: tell about Donald Trump that is most true? And the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: story that is most true is what you said at
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the beginning of this episode, which is, This whole term
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: is a smash and grab. He wants to make as
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: much money as he can. He's a megalomaniac who thinks
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: that now he needs this legacy in history where he
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: like conquers half the globe. And he doesn't give a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: shit about people. He doesn't give a shit about people.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: And he's never given a shit about people. And that's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: a consistent story through time. And whether he has dementia
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: now or he's losing his marbles or not, like doesn't
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: really matter.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: So I think the way that I would square this is,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's right. Democrats- when people had concerns about
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: his age, even after he dropped out, because it came
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: to be evidence that Democrats couldn't be trusted more broadly.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: And my argument would only be, no, age should not
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: be the central argument we make against Donald Trump. But
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: if we can make the fact that Republicans refuse to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: be honest about not just Trump's corruption and unaccountability and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: brazen theft, but also just his rambling and crazy nonsense,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: and you make every time he does that part of
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: a story about how he's unfit in, including because he's
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: getting old, then that's part of why these Republicans can't
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: be trusted.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: That's the best. I'm not, that's the best I can
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: do for it.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Even that, as you say that, like you, you kind
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: of just like threw in corruption there, but it's like,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: so he's, he doesn't know what he's doing. He's crazy,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: but he's also smart enough to be out there stealing
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: all the money.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: I just think like the incoherence is priced in like the,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: the weave is a thing that's like a joke, but
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: it's also not a joke.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: Like people know he's a goofball. He's all over the place.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: He says weird shit. But also like he's funny. He's
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: big and imposing. He seems sharp at events a lot
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: of times. And like the hand shit is very odd.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: But like it's also weird.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: It's weird to make an argument that he used to
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: be sharp when we were all saying he's been fucking
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: crazy since he came on the scene in 2016. Yeah,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: it's weird. It's weird for Democrats to be in the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: position to be like, you know what, he's just not
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: up for the job. He used to be, but now
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: he's not up for the job.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: I think, look, I don't think anyone should make that argument.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I think if you go back and look at the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: debates with Jeb Bush versus the debate with Kamala Harris,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: there's been a crazy decline. But even putting that aside,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: here's the thing that I find very annoying about all this.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: It's the same kind of.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Practiced obtuseness that some people on our side love to do.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: How could you say this?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: If you won't say the same exact thing about Trump
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: that you said about Joe Biden, then you're being a hypocrite.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: As if we can't see the difference between the way
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden looked and the way Donald Trump looked. The
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: fact that Joe Biden was disappearing from the public. Look,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: if you think Donald Trump is too old for the job,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: I totally agree.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: He's too old. He's too mean. He's too selfish. He's
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: too much of a fucking dictator for the job.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: He's also the most accessible president we have ever had.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: He is on camera every fucking day. He's answering questions
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: every day. and he seems vital. Yeah, nuts, loses the thread,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: all the ways in which he's terrible and shouldn't be
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: in office. He should be impeached and removed immediately. I'm
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: not in charge of this. But to act as if
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: there isn't a big difference between the way Donald Trump
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: is aging and the way Joe Biden is aging is
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: to once again deny what we can see with our
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: own fucking eyes.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but to me, that is all beside the point.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: You can argue that back and forth, whoever thinks Joe
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Biden was worse or Trump was worse, whatever. But again,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: the question is, To what end?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: To what end?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: He is a second term president. If Donald Trump was
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: sitting here saying, I'm going for more years and we're
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to defeat Donald Trump.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: The to what end answer is you try to drive
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: down his negativism or you make it an issue that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: other Republicans need to speak to. And like suddenly they're
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: vouching for him not being senile or old or whatever.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: I think we're a long way from here to there. Yeah.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: And because we would. If you had a choice between
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: what Republicans need to answer for, would you rather it
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: be they're covering up for Donald Trump being too old,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: or they're saying nothing about the fact that he's literally
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: stealing from taxpayers out of their pocket and launched a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: war that's shot up gas prices. Hand make-up or theft.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I think you'd rather do that one.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: And if he really does... Why not both?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, you only have so many things that you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: can say out of your mouth.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: And if it was so clear, right? Like, if he
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: was real.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Like, look, I agree he's in decline. There's not some
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: magic words that Democrats can use to make something more...
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: They can make it more of an issue, but they
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: can't make it the issue. If Donald Trump was having
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: the kind of muttering debate that Joe Biden had, I
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: guarantee you it would be a big political issue and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't be because Chuck Schumer decided it was on
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: some given day. That's a calm, sad, sick old man.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Let's go to town.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Let's go to town. Get a man.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Figure out if you got the right words.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: I won.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Okay. Congrats. Good for you. Congrats to our winner, John Lovett.
• 1:06:05
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• 1:06:07
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