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The 2026 April Mass Tort Power Rankings: Who Takes the Top Spot? · The Jon and Marc Podcast

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  Welcome to Tor Talk. We are one week away from MCMP
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  in Vegas next week at The Win, and today we are celebrating the
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  Michigan Wolverines National Championship in basketball.
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  Go blue. Thank you.
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  Thank you very much. I'm a very, very happy man this
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  morning, even though I only got about four hours of sleep today.
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  We are going to be doing the power rankings for April.
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  It has been about a month since we did our power rankings and
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  there has been so much going on in the world of mass torts that
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  we needed to go through all the different mass torts that you
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  potentially should be looking at gaining cases.
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  And these are specifically based around the case types that you
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  should consider potentially looking at acquiring more cases
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  for. Joe is going to talk to you
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  about each of these one by one and we're going to go through
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  the pros and cons of each. What is trending up, what's
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  trending down and what may be coming soon and be discussed at
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  MTMP next week and mass towards Puerto Rico in just about a
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  month. Mark, Are you ready for it?
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  I'm ready. I prefer this.
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  There's some new mass towards making the list that we're not
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  on here the past a week, so I'm very excited to for the audience
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  to learn what they are. Congratulations, John on your
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  big win there. I I know it must feel good to be
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  on top of the world. We'll see what next toward ends
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  Back to the pod. We are going to get started at
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  #10 at #10 We have Bear Hugger still staying in the top 10 from
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  last month. There's a trial scheduled for
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  2026. This has been around for about a
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  decade. Can the pressure from that trial
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  bring about a potential settlement, Joe?
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  That's we're all hoping. So this is one of the legacy
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  mass torts. I think it's one of two legacy
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  mass torts in the top ten. We have more than 9000 cases and
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  what's going on in this litigation is the pressors
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  really coming outside of the MDL.
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  So there's a lot of state court proceedings that are hopefully
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  on track for trials in 2026, maybe towards the end of the
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  year or trial in Philadelphia. We have hopefully trials coming
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  up in Minnesota State court. The cases are getting worked up
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  in the MDL. The cases then are supposed
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  supposed to get remanded. So hopefully this pressure can
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  get these bear hugger cases resolved.
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  We haven't seen large groups of cases settled.
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  There's been a few cases that have settled so far, but
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  hopefully we can get this pressure on three M and and get
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  this whole inventory resolved later this year.
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  That's a tort we're really looking to see some progress
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  made on in 2026 #9 We have the opposite of Bear Hugger, which
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  has been around for a while. We have Dupixent, which is a
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  newbie on our power rankings, a pending motion to consolidate
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  and form an MDL that was filed a couple months ago, February
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  13th. Do you think Dupixent really
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  will be the next mass toward? I do John, but with this one I
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  want to cost is everybody. I don't think we're going to
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  have a huge, huge number of mass torts cases like we typically
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  see and maybe talc, a roundup or even get to the 10,000 threshold
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  and bear hugger. I think we're going to have a
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  couple 1000 cases. It's right for an MDL.
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  The injuries are significant. The science seems to be pretty
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  strong. So this is one that everybody's
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  definitely going to be talking about at MTMP.
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  Not a lot of buzz about it right now.
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  We'll probably have an MDL formed after the next JPML
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  hearing later this year, but this is one that's going to be
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  with us for a couple years I'd imagine.
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  Be very interesting to hear what people are saying at MTNP on
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  this one. It is so fresh, so new, and with
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  a limited amount of potential cases.
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  We'll see how far it goes. Coming in at #8 we have the
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  largest mass tort in the world, talcum powder.
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  A lot of attention's been paid on the arguments between J&J and
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  BZ Allen, but what is actually going on with talcum powder?
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  That's a good point, John. What we really want to focus on
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  is the litigation. As you mentioned, we have almost
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  70,000 cases pending. We're really trying to get
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  towards more trials as we always are in these cases.
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  We had a good ruling as you remember earlier this year on
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  experts in the MDL. We had a trial in Philadelphia
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  and state court that was a verdict for plaintiff,
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  definitely less than what we hoped.
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  But later this month there's a settlement conference that
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  scheduled. I'm hearing some optimism, very
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  limited buzz about optimism about maybe a resolution in this
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  case. I think all of the attention for
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  the last six months has been on these of the Allen versus J&J
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  that seems to be behind us at this point.
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  Hopefully we can get some momentum coming out of this
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  settlement negotiation conference and then ultimately
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  get these cases resolved. I think we're going to have to
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  try a couple more cases, but I do think we we are going to see
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  the end of this litigation likely before the end of 2026.
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  Would love to see that. It's been going on for so long.
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  These claimants have been through so much.
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  These law firms have been through so much with the
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  bankruptcies. Hopefully we can make it to the
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  end before the end of 26. That's an unfortunate
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  development we see in a lot of these cases, right?
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  We know one of the strategies the defendants deploy is delay,
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  delay, delay. They want the claimants to die,
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  the memories fade, Maybe their families don't end up, you know,
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  opening an estate and then they walk away with nothing.
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  So we see it all the time, but especially these cases, these
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  cancer cases, it's a big problem.
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  All right, coming in at #7 we have the GLP 1 weight loss
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  drugs, as we've been talking about for many months, these
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  parallel paths for the vision loss cases and the
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  gastrointestinal injuries. What comes next in the weight
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  loss litigation, Joe? Like you mentioned, John, we're
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  looking at these together when people are advertising.
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  I think you could do an advertisement for either the
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  gastro injuries or these vision loss cases.
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  The vision loss cases keep getting stronger and stronger as
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  time goes along. Everybody's really excited about
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  those. I just want to caution
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  everybody, I don't think we're going to see a huge, huge number
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  of those cases out there. It's probably looking in the
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  thousands. Whereas with the
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  gastrointestinal injury cases, we're making some really good
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  progress with that. The injuries really are focusing
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  on gastroparesis. So about 75% of the cases are
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  focusing on that injury. That's almost about that's our
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  signature injury. So we're going to keep working
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  those cases. The gastro injury cases almost
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  have a two year head start on the vision loss cases.
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  So we'll probably get towards some bellwether scheduling in
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  27. I don't think we'll have a trial
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  set yet, but hopefully for the end of 27 we could have some
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  good ruling zone experts and the bellwether cases worked up and
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  then maybe that brings it a resolution.
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  But the vision loss cases, they're going to be dragging
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  behind for a couple years. Coming in at #6, we have the
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  first of four technology platforms.
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  In our top six, we have video game addiction.
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  Are people still excited about this litigation?
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  I think you made a good point, John.
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  This is crazy to think, you know, even two years ago if you
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  tell me that four of the top six man stores out there would be
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  involving tech companies, I won't believe you.
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  I mean, we've just seen this complete shift and what's the
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  focus of these litigations? And I do do think people are
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  more excited than ever about these video game addiction
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  cases. We saw that verdict that came
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  down in the social media addiction.
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  We talked a lot about it, but that really spurred the
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  excitement. It's a similar type of theory
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  going on in these video game addiction cases.
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  We have some litigation ongoing. We don't have an MDL, but
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  they're still a home for these cases.
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  And as time goes on, I think pressure that we're seeing in
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  this video game addiction along with the pressure that will get
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  in the social media addiction will ultimately bring about some
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  sort of resolution and then change to the platforms, which
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  we really need and is evident by everything that's going on.
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  Yeah, video game addiction. There's a lot of buzz about it
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  last year at MTMP and it kind of died down.
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  You think it's it's really making a comeback, huh?
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  Yeah, I do. It's, it's nobody's talking
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  about it on the level as they are with the social media
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  addiction, but I think it's a viable claim.
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  We we have some good attorneys and good firms that are involved
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  with it. It's been in the work for a
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  couple years. So I do think we're going to end
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  up getting a resolution in that. And it's probably the least
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  talked about TAC claim that's out there, but it's pretty
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  mature compared to some of these other cases.
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  So I I would involve, I would encourage people to get involved
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  in this case as well. All right, we're taking off the
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  hat. We're getting down to business
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  now. We're in the top five coming in
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  at #5 We have the app that my children still ask me to play
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  every single week. I still deny them.
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  It's Roblox, another tech in the top 6.
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  How is this MDL shaping up? It's coming together pretty well
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  so far. We have a lot of really
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  experienced law firms and attorneys that have been
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  appointed to leadership. You know, these cases are really
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  severe. So the injuries and Roblox cases
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  pretty much are more severe and more extreme than what we've
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  been saying in the video game or the social media addiction.
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  The criteria is getting a lot tighter here.
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  We're really focusing on a lot of cases that involve, you know,
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  physical contact, taking it offline.
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  So we know these platforms are really dangerous to kids.
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  I think it's good that that's getting out there, but we're
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  just getting our feet under us and this MDL.
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  Expect to see a couple scheduling orders coming out in
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  the next couple months that will really set everything up for us.
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  We'll end up going through the motion to dismiss practice.
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  They're really trying to get the cases into arbitration.
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  Hopefully, we were able to beat that back.
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  Then the litigation will open up or we'll have some sort of
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  master filings. We'll do the discovery process
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  and then hopefully we can have a fast rocket docket like we've
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  seen in Depo Rivera and really push these cases aggressively
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  towards some sort of bellwether process.
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  Joe, what's your perspective on multi platform communication?
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  When you have someone who is engaging with a predator on
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  Roblox, who then moves the conversation to a different
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  platform, how do you see that playing out as the Roblox
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  litigation specifically develops?
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  It's it's definitely going to be something that's common and I
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  think these predators have that down.
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  But as far as liability there, there could be liability on
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  multiple platforms, but I think the one that's going to be most
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  culpable is going to be the platform where that initial
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  interaction really started. You know, the problem with
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  Roblox is they were allowing people just create these fake
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  accounts and they didn't have the safeguards in place to
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  verify who they were or verify the minors.
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  So I think that's really the problem with that.
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  But you could have a case where you have a plaintiff, for
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  example, that could, you know, have a video game addiction or
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  social media addiction or somebody have a Roblox came and
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  then have a separate video game addiction.
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  We're looking at a little bit different injuries in the
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  roadblocks from the social media addiction.
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  But that is a problem. And you could potentially sign
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  up a claimant for multiple potential claims.
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  So that's a good point for people to be on the lookout for
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  that. I wasn't even thinking about
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  signing up for multiple claims. I was thinking of that famous
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  spider man meme where you've got the the multiple spider man's
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  just all pointing at each other, right?
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  And in this situation, you could have Roblox's defense saying,
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  oh, well, you know, they couldn't communicate on our
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  platform, so they had to go to a different 1.
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  So we're not liable. We put the protections in place.
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  And then maybe you have a Snapchat or a Discord where the
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  communication escalates and leads to to the in person
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  assault pointing back and saying, well, if it didn't
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  happen on Roblox, it never would have been an issue.
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  It'll be very, very interesting to see how this develops.
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  Yeah, definitely. Though, you know, ultimately
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  apportion some sort of liability to the different platforms, you
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  know, that's how it work out. So I think they'll factor in how
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  many hours were they using something.
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  And then I really think that initial contact, that initial
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  association is going to be, you know, the determining factor, at
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  least in my opinion, where a lot of the liabilities should lie.
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  At #4 you briefly mentioned Depo Provera and the rocket docket.
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  Depo Provera comes in at #4 this month.
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  It's the fastest moving MDI in history, has us on track for a
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  trial in December 2020. Sixth, what needs to get done in
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  order for us to get there and potentially be successful for
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  the plaintiffs at that first trial?
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  Yeah, this doc, it's crazy. I, I haven't seen anything like
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  it. We're a little over a year after
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  it's been formed, but it's going along at this rapid pace.
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  I know me and Mark talked a little bit previously about
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  seeing 1000 filings in a month. Right now we're up over 5000
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  cases. So we're still waiting from the
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  judge on the preemption ruling. That seems like a slam dunk.
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  We know that they, the defendants actually ended up
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  updating their warning label just like we said they should
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  have from from the beginning of what we're doing now is working
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  up these individual cases, kind of sample cases.
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  They're getting worked up like bellwether cases.
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  And ultimately we'll get a ruling here.
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  I would expect in the next two months on the preemption.
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  Then we're going to end up hearing from the experts.
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  We'll get a ruling probably before the end of the summer on
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  the general causation experts. And then when we get into the
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  fall and the winter, we'll get the case specific work up.
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  So it's going along amazingly well for the plaintiffs.
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  The documents are bad for the defendants.
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  We have a judge who oversaw 3 M as you remember, Judge Rogers,
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  she's doing a great job and everybody's really excited about
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  that. At #3 we have Uber sex abuse
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  staying in the top three. We really haven't heard too much
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  news about this since the last trial ended.
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  What will the next bellwether trial tell us, and what's the
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  current status of the overall litigation?
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  Right. So we're seeing more pressure on
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  Uber right now. We're gearing up for the next
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  bellwether trial. So again, this case is an MDL
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  where the judge, instead of holding the trials in the MDL
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  before that court is remanding and sending them out to the
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  District Court where the case would have been filed.
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  So right now we're gearing up for the next trial in North
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  Carolina. And this case, we saw that the
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  judge came down and ruled that Uber is what's considered a
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  common carrier. So that means that there are
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  going to be responsible and liable for the acts of the
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  driver. So they're fighting that right
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  now, but the case is moving towards trial.
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  We'll have that here in the summer.
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  It looks like we've developed the playbook and what was needed
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  to get a good number in the verdict in the last trial.
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  So that's going to keep going on.
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  Meanwhile, we still have the state court action proceeding.
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  And I've been hearing some rumors that some of these Uber
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  cases are settling. Doesn't mean there's a global
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  settlement in the works right now, but it seems that Uber's
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  kind of changed tactically a little bit.
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  These one cases with severe injuries, really clear records,
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  maybe the hospital reports and police reports backing it up.
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  They've been resolving some of those cases allegedly, and it
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  seems like now they're thinking about how to kind of resolve the
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  litigation overall instead of fight, fight, fight, as we saw
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  in the beginning, likely because they've changed some of the
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  terms of their user agreement and have made some changes to
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  the platform. Yeah, last time I ordered Uber
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  Eats, I was forced to accept their new terms and conditions.
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  So I, I think we're, we're dealing with a trickle down
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  effect of what happened with the social media addiction verdict.
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  The platforms realize they are, are no longer immune or
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  potentially immune. Is this next bellwether trial of
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  plaintiff or a defense pick? I believe it's a defense pick.
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  Won't hold you to it. All right, we've finally hit the
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  top two. Number two, we have Hair
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  Relaxer, which last month was at #1 which means we have a new
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  number one Joe Mark. Hair Relaxer has over 11,000
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  active cases in the MDL. Where do we stand in the
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  litigation? Yeah, it's, it's going forward
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  really well. Parties were instructed to
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  select and propose some bellwether cases.
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  The judge didn't like the selections by the parties.
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  Basically, she came out and said these cases aren't
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  representative of what true bellwethers are.
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  There were all these other issues that could distract the
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  jury. So she entered an order just
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  last week that identified the, I believe it's 10 bellwether cases
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  to get worked up. Those cases are going to get
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  worked up further here, the individual work off of
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  depositions of plaintiffs and the doctors and then the
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  experts. And then ultimately we're
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  looking at a trial about a year from now.
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  So a lot of excitement in that litigation is going forward
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  pretty well. We'll have a causation ruling on
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  the general experts like who this summer.
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  I'm feeling optimistic that all three of the cancers are going
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  to survive the uterine, endometrial and ovarian cancer.
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  And then we'll gear up towards the bellwether cases.
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  So this has been a long, hard fought case, a lot of different
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  defendants, a lot of different products, and that's why it's a
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  lot more complex than, say, Depo Rivera.
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  But we have some good momentum going here.
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  I think we're going to end up with maybe 15,000 total cases.
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  I still love this case, but it did get knocked off the top
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  spot, and that's for a pretty obvious reason.
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  Yeah. Right, rightfully so.
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  And before we reveal #1 which many of you can probably guess,
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  let's talk through the ones to watch and what we're waiting and
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  seeing on. And in the wait and see bucket,
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  we do have Tylenol. We're still waiting on the
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  Second Circuit to potentially breathe new life into this
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  litigation. It's kind of been off again on
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  again for Tylenol, but that one's still holding tight.
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  I'll wait to see what happens there in our once to watch.
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  Surprised it didn't make the top ten.
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  I'm a firm believer in this one. Bard power port.
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  A positive jury verdict in the first bellwether trial could
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  have a lot of excitement added to this litigation.
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  We'll see whether or not that actually happens.
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  And then one that I'm hearing a lot of underground buzz about
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  the Olympus scope infection cases.
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  Obviously, a lot of people have had scopes done, whether those
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  are colonoscopies or other types of scopes.
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  Olympus is the largest manufacturer, I believe, of
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  these types of scopes. Very new litigation, a lot of
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  buzz around this. Joe, just for those who don't
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  know about this litigation, can you give a brief overview of the
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  Olympus scope infections? Yeah, it's just starting out.
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  Like you said, John, we, we don't even have a JPML petition
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  filed yet. So realistically, I'd imagine it
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  comes on everybody's radar in the fall of this year.
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  But basically, it's a huge manufacturer.
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  Thousands of these products are used every day.
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  And basically it's causing and contributing to infections on
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  people who have an Olympic scope during a procedure like you
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  mentioned, and then later the next day, within a few days,
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  develop an infection, end up needing additional treatment,
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  sometimes additional surgery. So this has the potential to be
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  a huge mass tort. And when I say huge mass tort,
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  we're looking at more than 20,000 potential cases.
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  This could get really big. Stay tuned.
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  Everybody's going to be talking about it.
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  I think it's a level below the excitement we have for our
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  number one, but I know we're going to have an MDL formed and
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  I know everybody will be talking about it out in Vegas.
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  Yep, absolutely. Speaking of #1 the Michigan
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  Wolverines coming in at #1 social media addiction.
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  So social media addiction has been the talk of the town for
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  the past two weeks since the verdict.
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  Some may say the trial of the century, Section 230, I think
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  effectively as a, a viable defense is over.
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  We, we kind of knew going into the trial if that was the case
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  because of past rulings. But we saw it come to fruition
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  with the $6 million verdict against Meta and Google's
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  YouTube couple weeks ago, heralded by Mark Lanier of the
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  Lanier Law Firm. Do you still think there's
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  opportunity to get involved, Joe?
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  I do, and that's why we have it at #1 there's still a ton of
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  cases out there. This case isn't going away today
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  or tomorrow or next month. And so there's a lot of
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  potential users out there that need our help.
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  The case in the science has been pretty worked up.
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  We know what the signature injuries are.
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  We know what the demographics are for the plaintiffs.
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  We know that these defendants will either pay or ultimately be
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  told by the jury to pay. So still some time to get
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  involved in this case. Everybody's going to be talking,
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  thinking about it, a mass tort made perfect.
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  Every other conversation you have will probably be about it.
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  But just let them know that we think there's still time to get
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  involved. If you guys have questions about
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  the criteria or what a case really looks like, there's
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  different tiers, reach out to me or John and Mark.
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  We'll give you guys some insight.
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  But be careful when you're getting these cases.
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  But there's still a lot of time to get involved.
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  Yep, absolutely. Super excited about this one.
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  Love to see that verdict that we had a couple weeks ago and
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  excited for the future of the litigation, not only from a
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  business perspective, but I do think that this is the right
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  thing to do to protect people from these platforms and it is
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  setting the table for a lot of these other platform based
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  litigations as we talked about earlier.
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  That being said, we are wrapping up this month's Tortalk Power
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  rankings and our next Tortalk we will film in Las Vegas at MTMP.
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  We were only one week away. It's going to be two things.
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  It's going to be social media addiction and then it's going to
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  be Olympus so that those are the 2 ones.
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  And then hopefully we get word, maybe some good updates on talc
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  about a settlement coming down the Pike.
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  Yeah, don't, don't we have a deadline coming up?
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  For talc, you're saying? Yeah.
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  Yeah, there, there's a settlement conference scheduled.
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  We, we've been working with the mediator there for a couple
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  months now. But like I said, I'm, I'm
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  hearing buzz, some people are getting a little bit more
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  excited. If you're watching the docket
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  filings, that's a good place to get a tip off.
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  We we've seen a big increase in some of the filing.
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  So if you got cases, get them on file.
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  Excellent. As always.
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  Thank you, Joe, for joining us. And we will see everybody next
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  week in Las Vegas for MTNP. This is Tort Talk.