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#302 - For Azeroth!: “Sean Was Right” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  I just want to say in regards to the forced driving which implies
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  no flying in 11.1, that I am very excited for the new raid
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  and the new dungeon and mother lode is my all time favorite
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  dungeon from BFA and I'm so excited that's coming back.
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  For Lordaron. For the Karen tour for.
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  Pandaria for Calendar to the burning region for Gilnaeus but
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  has not died for the Lich King for the Sindora for the Alliance
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  for. The Horn for Azeroth.
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  Hello and welcome to another episode of For Azra.
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  I am one of your hosts, one of the triumphant.
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  I am Manny, AKA the true villain Manny.
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  And joining me this week, we've got both parts.
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  So returning from a little bit of a renaissance, a little bit
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  of a sabbatical, we have Lex. Lex, how you doing?
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  I'm doing great. I'm feeling hype.
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  I'm ready to go. We we got a we got a fun little
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  video, a fun little event today and Sean was so that is there
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  was a tragedy there, which is that Sean was.
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  But other than that, I'm, I'm, I'm bopping right along.
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  Sean is these are definitely portents of dark, dark days, but
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  we are here with the Sultan himself.
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  Sean, how are you doing? Manny, Manny, Manny, I am doing
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  great. It was a great day, not just
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  because I was, but it is nice to hear that the game has been
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  really good. I've really enjoying the War
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  Within, really enjoying the anniversary event, and we got a
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  Warcraft Direct today that blew my literal socks off.
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  This is a sock free zone kids. This is my toes are free.
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  Let's get it. I'm in my slippers but I do
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  still have my socks. I'm also in my slippers.
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  I'm always in my slippers, but my toes are free in my slippers.
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  It's like being at a resort. I'm so happy for you and your
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  toes, Sean. Oh.
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  Good. So it was an hour long
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  presentation, but it did have a bunch of things in it, including
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  a bunch of things that aren't exactly World of Warcraft.
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  But let's do a quick rundown of those non World of Warcraft
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  stuff because, you know, we play some other games.
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  First thing that they put out was, of course, a remaster of
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  Warcraft one and two. We talked a little bit about
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  Warcraft two last episode. I was, I, I was a little
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  lukewarm on it because because of Reforged.
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  And I did say that like they went with Remastered because
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  Reforged doesn't quite have the shine on it.
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  But they also decided that they were going to put some shine on
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  Reforged because they are putting out a patch to fix some
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  of the issues that people have had with Warcraft 3 Reforged.
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  I was really happy about that, that that sent more of a
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  positive message to to me than a lot of things that I've heard in
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  a while. The fact that they're willing to
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  go back to this project that basically by all rights they
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  could've just abandoned and be like, let's not talk about that
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  again. Let's just let's just never
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  mention that reforge sort of word.
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  But to come back and say like, hey, we want to fix it.
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  We want to make it right. I'm so happy about that.
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  I was about to snap purchase this before I even tweeted.
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  I was just like, let me go over to the store, Let me just jump
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  in, let me get that battle chest.
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  And then I was like, wait, wait a second, we're only a little
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  bit into this. Maybe they're going to throw
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  something else at me that's going to like steal my money.
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  And you know, man of limited funds.
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  The running joke here is that I am not a trifecta landlord.
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  I am house poor. So I I, I was like, I got to be
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  careful about my money. I got to be careful.
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  I think I might go back and pick this up.
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  It's really discounted. It's it's super cheap and I want
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  those nostalgia days. I will say I think it's a little
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  funny, as I I mentioned in the discord a couple times that I
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  was reading Play Nice, the book about Blizzard and the Schreyer
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  used Warcraft 3 reforged failure.
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  And also the fact that it didn't really get fixed as like one of
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  the pieces of evidence of like Blizzard kind of going downhill.
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  And so when they announced that war Warcraft 3 or 4 just getting
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  patched, I was like, somebody read that book.
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  Somebody was like, Hey, yo, what do you mean we didn't fix it,
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  man? What do you mean it didn't get
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  better? So shout out to them.
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  I will say watching the cute I so I never played Warcraft, but
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  I did watch it over my dad's shoulder while he was playing.
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  And so watching the little the little videos of the gameplay
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  made me think a little bit about like, I mean, you know, maybe
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  when I'm done playing Vale guard maybe and have some time to play
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  some other games, you know, do a little a little my birth year
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  adventure. I, I mean, I was looking at it,
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  I was like, look at that little 480 by 480 screen baby like was
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  locked in. I, I think it's cool.
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  I love that they did the Sprite re envisioning.
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  So they got the HD sprites that you can turn off and on
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  dynamically, kind of like you would do with the Arachnophobia
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  mode in in Wow, which is a quick little toggle.
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  Just a lot of stuff. I do remember playing it, not
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  Warcraft 1. I actually got in the game back
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  in Warcraft 2. And I think, did we talk about
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  this last episode, Sean? Yeah, we did.
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  Yep. OK, so Sean, did this pull out
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  your heartstrings? Tell me.
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  Tell me how this hit for you. Yeah, so I had to watch the
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  entire direct from the driver's seat of my truck while waiting
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  for Anjuli to get out of a massage.
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  So when they showed Warcraft on the tiny screens, I was like,
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  oh, this is what it looked like. I see no difference.
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  Yeah, I talked to my heartstrings.
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  I I'm going to buy it. I haven't bought it instantly,
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  but I am going to buy it. I already own Warcraft 3
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  Reforged, so I think it's only $17.00 to get the one and two
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  remasters. They're already on my favorites
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  tab on my B Net launcher. I'll probably buy them after the
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  show. 10 out of 10, no notes. Love it.
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  And the battle chest is back and I think it's somebody said it
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  was 40 bucks. I think for all of it.
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  I think, don't quote me, that was a European streamer who said
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  that. I don't know if it was £40 or if
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  it was 40 Canadian dollars or 40 American dollars, but that was
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  the price. They said if it was 40 European,
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  if it was 40 lbs. And it would probably be like 60
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  Canadian for all three of them. Yeah, yeah, that, that's
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  correct. When I oh because like again, I
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  got real close to purchasing it and so it is like just shy of 60
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  bucks Canadian. You don't already own Reforged?
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  Nope. Oh you should get things.
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  That's a great deal. 60 bucks? That's 2/3 of a Brutus over
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  three games I have. Warcraft 3 Collector's Edition
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  like I have the. Collection of the updated
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  gravity. They didn't.
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  They didn't upgrade. That was the one thing they
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  didn't let you upgrade into it. They basically shut down
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  Warcraft 3 to then put in this report.
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  It was like the worst. So you have no.
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  Implementation. Please that you could have done.
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  What you're saying is right now you have no way to play Warcraft
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  3. Online I can play it, locally
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  it's the system of. Your computer on Namani?
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  Honestly, did your computer still have a disk drive?
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  That's a That's a damn good point.
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  That's a damn good point. That 2/3.
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  I could install a disk drive onto.
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  OK, here's the thing. Instead of paying $60.00 for
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  this game, you could purchase a disk drive.
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  I wouldn't. Purchase.
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  I have one. It's weird I have one.
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  It's OK, Never mind. Well, like this.
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  This is a. This is a wise decision to make
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  and. No, no, like the the reason I
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  would go through the effort of doing this is because I have the
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  Mass Effect collection and there are times where I'm like, man, I
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  really want to play that again. So you know it's a 2 for one
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  deal. It's even cheaper.
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  It's only 5399 Canadian for all of it plus tax 3. 99.
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  Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good.
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  I get, I get a discount because I own Warcraft three only going
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  to cost me 30 bucks. 2732 Andy, we said last episode 30 bucks
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  was what we would pay for one game.
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  We said we would pay 30 bucks for Warcraft two.
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  You're paying $20. You're paying less than $20.00
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  for Warcraft 2. It's a deal from what we said we
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  were willing to pay. You got to pay.
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  We say that go. Back to, you know, I mean the
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  joke. Was going to snap by it like it
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  feels true, but we got to go to the tapes for this though I
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  think we. Definitely said that.
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  We said we said 30 bucks. Sorry, Lex, I didn't mean to
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  talk over you. No, you're so valid.
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  I was, I was. I was just here to hype you up.
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  I'm your hype man today. Big hype.
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  Yeah, we did hype band the. Hype band, we got to ask you,
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  would you purchase these having not had that same nostalgia
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  pull? Is this something that you're
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  like, Oh yeah, you know, I'm going to go back and look at
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  this when I don't. You're saying after after Vale
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  guard. So like, is that like maybe on a
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  Christmas list? Yeah, that's a great question.
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  Because on the one hand, I've played Vailgard ever almost
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  every day, but on the other hand, I still haven't finished
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  Baldur's Gate 3. So who knows?
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  Could I be playing Vailgard for the rest of my life?
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  Maybe we don't know. But I, I, I have been really
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  curious about the early Warcraft games for a while, just like,
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  especially as a lore. But I mean, I know that like
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  most of the lore's been reckoned and I've read it in actual books
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  and in Chronicles. But like it, it feels like if
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  I'm going to say that I'm a lore buff and I, I'm going to say
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  that I, you know, I'm super into World of Warcraft and I like,
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  I'm into all of the things around it.
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  Like I might as well play Warcraft at some point,
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  especially since I have really liked Warcraft Rumble, which I
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  know is obviously different. It's more of a mobile game.
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  But like, let my dad watch. See, we had a little, a little
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  moment the last time I hung out with my dad where he watched me
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  play Warcraft rumble and over my shoulder.
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  And he was like, Oh, you know what that kind of looks like?
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  It's Warcraft. So it, it was, it was a very
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  cute, circular little moment that life, the world truly does
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  keep on spinning. But so that does make me curious
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  as to whether or not I would enjoy that sort of gameplay.
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  So I haven't bought it yet, but odds that I buy it.
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  Not 0. Pretty far from zero, actually,
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  I'd say probably in the like 60s range, which is about what it
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  cost. So, you know, perfect.
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  They checked all my boxes, they updated the graphics, they
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  updated the gameplay. So it's the more modern style of
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  gameplay, but you'll make it easier and more fun to play.
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  That's a win for me and Manny. They included a mount in the
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  battle chest. Now I don't know if this is
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  already the meat wagon that I got when I bought Warcraft Hero
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  Forged. The picture of it looks
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  different from what I drive, but.
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  Wait, that's adorable. Actually one of the cutest
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  mounts I've ever seen. It's.
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  I don't what are we looking at the same picture?
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  I'm not. I'm not calling this cute.
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  I also think it's just different lighting.
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  I think it's the same amount you would normally get.
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  Either way, get pretty. 10 out of 10 Big, big, happy and it's a
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  great way to get yourself into where where it all began 30
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  years ago. Experience the story, especially
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  artists like, I think that's definitely there.
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  On top of that though, that wasn't the only thing.
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  This was supposed to be a quick rundown, so we're going to go
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  through these other ones a little bit faster.
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  Hearthstone is going to space with the Heroes of StarCraft
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  expansion that is going to be coming out.
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  This is Hearthstone first journey outside of the Warcraft
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  IP. They're going to be adding in
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  the three big races from StarCraft.
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  So they're going to be having Jim Rayner as the, yeah, hero of
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  the Terrans, and that is going to go across four of the classes
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  that can use that. They're going to have the Queen
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  of Blades, Kerrigan herself, and she's going to give the Zerg
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  rush fast strategies to three different class, sorry, four
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  different classes. And then of course, they will
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  have the Protoss that will be giving a number of different
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  classes, the remaining 4, a different way of playing that.
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  So this is kind of cool that they are doing what is
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  essentially quad class heroes for this, for this overlaying on
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  top of it. I haven't played Hearthstone in
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  a long time, so I'm not going to give you any kind of in depth
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  analysis, but I am going to suggest that people check out
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  TGI. I know that Joss is likely to be
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  going through this and giving like a a lot of information
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  about that. Did you guys play Hearthstone at
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  all? I think I've played like five
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  games in my life. OK.
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  So light touch there, all right. I could only be described as a
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  casual Hearthstone player. It's sometimes before bed login
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  nothing like I I would. I wouldn't even know the
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  different game modes. Like it's login, open some
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  packs. Sometimes I just buy packs
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  because I like buying things and then close the game.
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  Okay, okay. I mean, like I said, I've played
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  a lot. A lot judgment.
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  I just need you to know if you ever have this urge to spend
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  money on things just for the sake of spending money, give you
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  my Venmo like it's OK. Is that gonna make fun sounds
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  and lights when I put it? Look, OK, here's how we're gonna
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  do it, right? I'm just gonna send you my
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  grocery list, right? And when it comes, I'm just
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  gonna open the bag of chips in front of you.
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  Like, look, Sean, Wham. Oh, you actually call him and
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  like walk through like while you're going through the grocery
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  aisle and be like, oh, I'm gonna you probably go you.
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  Like you get that sound, the coke can opening up this.
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  Yeah, hit me up, hit me up. OK, because I like where your
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  heads are at. You both just give me your
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  addresses and I will randomly send you Amazon packages with
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  things in it and then you have to open it up for me on screen
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  and it's an actually thank. You my address, I trust you with
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  my address and stuff. This is happening.
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  All right, that's gonna be great.
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  Okay. Sorry, heard Stone.
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  You're gonna lose a lot of money.
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  Sir, Blizzard is still gonna stop giving us stuff.
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  It's like you cut us off most of our funding.
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  Lady, he's putting our kids through college, Yes.
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  But Hearthstone did interest me in coming back because they are
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  doing a return to Ungaro as their first direct sequel of a
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  expansion. And Ungaro's expansion I used to
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  really be into when I was really, when I was really into
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  Hearthstone, Ungaro was one of the expansions that I loved.
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  So I do like that. But like also with these games,
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  it's very hard to jump back into them after you've been away for
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  a while, getting caught up with it.
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  Whatever the meta is. Having a deck that's actually
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  competitive as a person who plays like Magic the Gathering
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  and is starting to try and get back into it.
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  When you have a lot of expansions and a lot of stuff
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  that's churning quickly, knowing when the world is good and it's
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  just a bit of information overload.
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  And I'm saying this as, you know, the Warcraft player and
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  all of the information that happens with Warcraft, so that
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  that is a thing in itself. I'm, I, I'm hoping that this
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  will be cool, but I think what I'm going to look at as the hey,
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  my side game from World of Warcraft is Warcraft Rumble.
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  Wait, are you serious? Are you getting into Rumble,
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  Manny? Well, with the announcements
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  that they made today, this might be the jumping on points.
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  Alex I. Didn't even think of that.
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  My God no. This is the happiest moment of
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  my life. I'm so excited being getting to
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  work right now. This is so great.
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  This is so great. You can join our guilt.
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  So Warcraft Rumble, as Manny has alluded to, is going desktop.
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  So we are not going to be able to play from the Battle.net app
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  on our computers, which is great, except for for me because
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  I am a raid leader and nobody is going to accept a be res again.
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  But that's OK because I also won't be accepting a be res.
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  So that's, you know, it's fine. We're doing what we got to do,
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  which is very exciting. And this thing that people have
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  been asking for for a very, very long time.
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  Also, they are doing multifamily leaders.
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  So they have Sylvanus right now who was put in as an undead
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  leader. And everyone when she was
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  announced as a leader, saw that she was an undead leader.
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  And they're like, I mean, I guess, but now she's undead and
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  Horde and they have a whole cute little event for her.
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  It's very exciting. It's not.
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  I'm very stressed out by the number of Warcraft Rumble
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  events, but that's OK. Don't worry about it, Mindy.
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  You're going to have fun. Don't worry about it.
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  And they are also going to be releasing Malfurian Storm Rage,
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  who's going to be Alliance and Scenarian Orgrim Doom hammer is
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  going to be Horde and BlackRock and a new Barack is going to be
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  undead and beast. So they're going to be
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  experimenting with having different families for different
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  leaders, which I don't it I I like it as as how it's going to
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  give like aesthetics to the game.
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  I think, like I said, having Sylvanus undead with a little
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  bit of a light way. Whatever.
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  I don't I'm curious how it's going to affect the gameplay.
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  I don't know how much it will, but I'm excited to see and I
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  think it's gonna be fun. I think it's gonna be cute.
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  And we love that they're experimenting and they're doing
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  cute little things and making funny little videos.
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  They were, the devs were very cute.
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  They were having a good time. Yeah, I do think that had that
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  that presentation had a lot of personality.
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  Definitely, definitely was the cheekiest one out of all of
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  them. So I did.
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  I did enjoy that. I like this multifamily thing.
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  I like immediately people like jump into my head.
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  Like I could see Rexar as being like B slash Horde like like
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  there's there's some good stuff. Maybe they do some of like the
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  elves that have sort of jumped between as like alliance slash
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  forward and they can do a couple things like that.
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  So like it looks cool. It looks like this is like the
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  game has always been something that sort of interested me.
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  But like I don't commute anymore so it's not something I sit down
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  and play on the phone. My phone is older so it strains
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  my phone or maybe doesn't even work on my phone and now I get
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  to play it. You know, one screen I have the
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  meeting, the other screen I'm going through Black Molten
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  Coors, The raid. Molten Core is complicated
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  Manny, because the thing about the raid is it has to be
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  simultaneous with another Guild member.
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  So it's a little bit I, I will admit I have never raided.
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  I have never been able to like it's it when it when raids and
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  dungeon, not dungeons. When raids and seizures came
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  out, it was such a massive raging pain to coordinate.
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  I don't know if it still is, but it was like legitimately one of
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  the most stressful and annoying things that I've dealt with in
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  that game and I just gave up. So on my on my mini sock, I
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  don't have anything levelled up. It's terrible, it's tragic.
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  OK wait wait, how many people are in a Guild?
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  I thought it was like 8 people. No, it's.
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  No, I think. Yeah, 25, OK, I can.
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  I think I could find one person of 25 that doesn't seem that
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  bad. They expect they, well, it's
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  they expanded them. It was 20 I think, and they
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  added five. But you only do the raid with
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  one other person, isn't that right?
• 20:07
  Yeah, but then you say it's complicated, I should do raids,
• 20:09
  I should do raids at this point. It's just that the initial taste
• 20:13
  of it was so annoying and different and it kept you'd try
• 20:17
  to accept someones invite and they'd kick you out.
• 20:19
  Wait, you love it? No, no, I get it.
• 20:20
  I understand Lex. I still don't do delves.
• 20:25
  I get it. I will confess, they got me so
• 20:28
  good by accident in the, like, the little bit where they were
• 20:31
  talking about Warcraft Rumble, because they were talking about,
• 20:33
  like, when they were starting the game, they really wanted to
• 20:35
  make something tactile, and they were making all these minis to
• 20:38
  see what they'd look like. And I was like, they're giving
• 20:40
  us the physical game. Like, I've wanted this for so
• 20:43
  long. This is so exciting.
• 20:45
  And no, they just want to show us the cute little minis they
• 20:46
  made. Yeah.
• 20:47
  But they they have the patterns out there so you can 3D print
• 20:49
  them. Do you think I can paint Manny?
• 20:52
  Do you think I do you? Think I need to paint?
• 20:54
  They're minis. You just you, you're horrible
• 20:56
  with them. And then you get better over
• 20:57
  time. Oh.
• 20:58
  OK, now I understand what you're arguing, but.
• 21:01
  Yeah, you just, you just have one that's like, this is my
• 21:03
  first mini and it looks garbage, Lex.
• 21:06
  It looks absolutely garbage. And then this is my 10th mini
• 21:10
  and it looks garbage, but it looks 10 times better than the
• 21:13
  original garbage. And that is the beauty of minis,
• 21:15
  Lex. You're kind of talking me into a
• 21:18
  Manny. I may have also played a lot of
• 21:20
  Warhammer back in the day and therefore know how much money
• 21:24
  can get lost into that. Anyways, let's move on from that
• 21:29
  and all that spending. Let's go on a little bit of a
• 21:33
  classic journey. And Sean, can I get you to take
• 21:36
  this one? Yeah, sure.
• 21:39
  There's stuff happening in Classic and I'm really excited
• 21:41
  for all the people that like Classic.
• 21:45
  I I think that we're all on the same page, like none of us are
• 21:49
  strong classic players, obviously.
• 21:54
  Let me let's give the listeners what they're here for.
• 21:58
  Classics coming back, fresh servers, PVEPVP and ERP.
• 22:04
  I don't remember what the other one was.
• 22:05
  There was three different types of servers they were bringing
• 22:07
  out. Definitely PvP and Pve are two
• 22:10
  of them. The third one is up in the air
• 22:12
  for what it might be a much. Alright, that's it.
• 22:14
  Hardcore, not the other. Different kind of.
• 22:18
  Different kind. Yeah, not the hard kind you're
• 22:20
  talking about. Different kind of.
• 22:21
  Hard right, different hardcore. Those are coming out starting
• 22:24
  with Classic and working all the way up through Burning Crusade
• 22:28
  with some changes, quality of life stuff.
• 22:30
  We liked freezing your world buffs, whatever it is that makes
• 22:32
  it easier. So you guys who want to say it's
• 22:34
  a harder game, but it's not really because you're chasing it
• 22:36
  to make it easier. Those people are happy.
• 22:37
  Now we're also getting Miss Classic, Kelson Breeze, Nobody
• 22:42
  saw this coming. Really excited.
• 22:45
  I know there's people that love Mr. Pandaria.
• 22:47
  It's like their entire identity super humped for them, pumped,
• 22:52
  super pumped for them. You're.
• 22:54
  Stuck on this hardcore thing. That's anyway that's going out
• 23:01
  so good for those folks and season Discovery, and I think
• 23:04
  the season of Discovery is launching at the same time as
• 23:07
  the Classic so that the wings line up with each other.
• 23:10
  I got to tell you folks, none of us here play Classic, but if
• 23:14
  there's a lot happening for if you play Classic, you probably
• 23:16
  already know more than we know. And I'm really excited that you
• 23:20
  get to have your game mode that you wanted.
• 23:23
  And I look forward to your tweets of complaint in six
• 23:25
  months and. I would like to give a shout out
• 23:27
  to the Blizzard developers who have really like cracked the
• 23:31
  code, which every developer I'm sure dreams of.
• 23:35
  Like when they go to sleep in their head, they're just
• 23:38
  imagining what if I could say every five years that I was
• 23:42
  releasing something new and I just put out the same thing.
• 23:46
  And I like, I love this for them.
• 23:48
  I love this for them so much. Like 10 out of 10 you guys
• 23:51
  deserve this is incredible. What a win.
• 23:54
  And then because the new caustic surfers are moving into Burning
• 23:57
  Crusade like they it's it's printing money, babes.
• 24:02
  Yeah, they finally took a page out of Skyrim's book.
• 24:06
  Wow. Merch Skyrim.
• 24:09
  I love my copies of Skyrim. You leave.
• 24:12
  That alone it's been released 8 times.
• 24:14
  It's. You leave it alone.
• 24:17
  Like I'm not even going to get into the Bethesda argument with
• 24:19
  you. We're not talking about that.
• 24:22
  I I I understand classic to a point, but I just feel like the
• 24:28
  player base myself, I can't go back to what I was like back
• 24:32
  then. And so it's just not going to be
• 24:34
  the same wide eye experience getting lost in Stranglethorne
• 24:38
  and be like, how in the world do I get back that I that I really
• 24:43
  cherish those memories. I'd like that it's Mr. Pandaria.
• 24:48
  One thing that I think that the Blizzard team needs to start
• 24:51
  doing is having these things that we unlock in Classic affect
• 24:58
  our retail. If I could go into this class
• 25:02
  and be like, and if I could get there to the gates of Anchorage
• 25:05
  and like get my black Karachi mount and have that unlocked on
• 25:08
  my retail account, boy, let me give it one second.
• 25:12
  Boy, let me tell you how quick I'd be playing Classic Boy, let
• 25:16
  me tell you. I got to disagree with you
• 25:18
  Manny, for for two reasons, maybe 3 reasons. 2 reasons for
• 25:21
  sure. Reason number one, I don't think
• 25:26
  they're desperate for more people to play classic.
• 25:29
  I think they're probably happy with this.
• 25:30
  The player base size, it's a probably a fairly light lift for
• 25:35
  them to roll up and spin out these new classic experiences.
• 25:38
  They don't obviously they don't need like a full team that
• 25:40
  they're using for like Midnight and the War within that kind of
• 25:42
  stuff. I don't imagine, I'm not a game
• 25:44
  dev, I don't know for sure, but I feel like the speed with which
• 25:47
  they come out, it's, it's not as heavy an investment.
• 25:50
  And #2 there's already so much content in retail and it's
• 25:55
  coming at a breakneck cadence, adding the fact that players
• 26:00
  have to go. And like, if you're a collector
• 26:02
  right now, you're sweating it. You are the the world first
• 26:06
  collectors. The people at the top of data
• 26:09
  for Azeroth are sweating right now.
• 26:12
  How fast? What are we calling the top of
• 26:14
  data for Azeroth? Begasaur is what I call them.
• 26:20
  No, they're, I don't know. I just call them the hard
• 26:22
  course. They're the, the, the, the, the
• 26:24
  hard course. The hardcore gamers.
• 26:26
  Listen, if you're number one on data for Azeroth and #2 for data
• 26:29
  for Azeroth, there's nothing casual about you.
• 26:30
  So yeah, anyway, they're sweating it.
• 26:33
  The cadence is so high. If you then suddenly add it in,
• 26:36
  hey, you can go back and get, you know, hand of a doll and you
• 26:40
  can go back and get all these things that you used to be able
• 26:42
  to get, you can't get now. A that sort of cheapens their
• 26:47
  grind through, but B it adds so much extra that people have to
• 26:51
  do. Sorry, you're saying that you
• 26:55
  want to keep these mounts locked for people not to be able to get
• 27:00
  them again, and the prestige is locked to that?
• 27:03
  The fact that it would be cheapened if people could get it
• 27:06
  now. That does sound like what I
• 27:10
  said. That does sound like what I
• 27:12
  said, but I don't fundamentally agree with if they come back in
• 27:15
  retail. It's fine just.
• 27:18
  Don't make me play a game mode that's in fear here, I guess is
• 27:24
  my point. Yeah, All right, we'll scratch
• 27:26
  that one from the record. I don't think I don't want.
• 27:29
  I don't want them to. I don't ever want classic to
• 27:31
  affect retail and vice versa. I don't think it's OK.
• 27:34
  I think if your story bleeds over a bit, but maybe not for
• 27:37
  the hardcore lore people. Maybe they hate that idea.
• 27:42
  Yeah, I don't. I don't want to see that
• 27:43
  connection. Yeah, I would.
• 27:45
  I am as I'm sad that I don't get the story because it sounds
• 27:49
  interesting from the vague little bits that people have
• 27:50
  told me about classic, but above and beyond any emotion that I
• 27:55
  could feel about wanting to get the story is this overriding
• 27:58
  desire to not play classic World of Warcraft.
• 28:01
  So I will accept any loss as long as it means that I'm never
• 28:05
  in a position where I feel like I have to play classic World of
• 28:07
  Warcraft. Love and respect.
• 28:09
  If you play classic World of Warcraft, it's basically the
• 28:10
  same game, but I don't want to play it.
• 28:12
  OK, do any of you hold the same feelings for Plunderstorm?
• 28:17
  Because Plunderstorm is coming back.
• 28:23
  And are you excited for this, Lex?
• 28:25
  I was surprised by this announcement because I thought
• 28:28
  Plunderstorm was like successful because it was time limited.
• 28:34
  Like everyone went in there. They ground their absolute, the
• 28:37
  life out of it. They whined incessantly about
• 28:41
  everything that they had, the fact that they had to play this
• 28:43
  game. And then it stopped and everyone
• 28:47
  was like, great, because I did my grinding and I'm not like
• 28:50
  unhappy Plunderstorm is coming back, right?
• 28:52
  Like it doesn't like it's no skin off my back.
• 28:54
  I, I, you know, I, I know one of my guildies was like over the
• 28:56
  moon about Plunderstorm. It was really sad.
• 28:58
  It was going away. So I know there are people who
• 28:59
  are really excited about it and like quite genuinely for them.
• 29:02
  I am so happy. Like absolutely play your little
• 29:06
  battle Royale. I am so excited for you.
• 29:08
  You deserve that. I'm so glad for anyone who is
• 29:10
  like super hype. I didn't think it had enough
• 29:13
  hype that they would want to bring it back.
• 29:16
  So again, I was a little surprised, but not unhappy,
• 29:21
  right? This is the same thing I'm going
• 29:23
  to say about a thing we'll talk about later.
• 29:26
  OK. All right.
• 29:27
  So, going from Lex, who's not unhappy, to Sean the pacifist
• 29:32
  extraordinaire Sean, what's do you have a second date with
• 29:38
  Plunderstorm? I'm super, super hyped with
• 29:42
  Plunderstorm too. Yeah, it's coming back.
• 29:44
  It's time limited again, which is great, but they added an
• 29:46
  improvement to fix it. It's not in in Plunderstorm 1,
• 29:50
  the OG, you unlock things that are now on track and that's how
• 29:53
  you got your your, your cosmetics and your titles and
• 29:56
  your mounts and what have you. But so that's great.
• 29:58
  If you're somebody who wants to collect all of it, you got it,
• 30:00
  you're gonna do it anyway. But if you only wanted bits and
• 30:02
  pieces, I'm a mount collector. I just want to get my parent.
• 30:04
  That's not me, obviously. That's my impression of mount
• 30:06
  collectors. That's what they sound like.
• 30:08
  Now they're adding a store. Do you collect your plunder?
• 30:11
  And then you buy the items you want in whatever order you want,
• 30:15
  as opposed to earning them on our renowned track.
• 30:17
  So if you're somebody who's just in there for a little mount, you
• 30:20
  just want to get a little mount action on your Plunder Storm
• 30:21
  server. You go in, you run however many
• 30:24
  matches it takes, and then you get your mount, you buy it at
• 30:26
  the store and away you go. I'm excited for because it was
• 30:29
  great stream content. I had a lot of fun playing it
• 30:32
  once I gave myself my own win conditions and I'm really
• 30:38
  looking forward to it coming back because I enjoyed it quite
• 30:40
  a bit. And I think at the end of Season
• 30:44
  1, heading into Season 2 is a great time for it because by
• 30:48
  then we will have attained CE and we won't be pushing still
• 30:52
  for the season. I feel bad for teams that are
• 30:53
  pushing at the end, but we'll be dubbed, we'll be long done.
• 30:55
  At that point we'll be able to just sort of vibe into 11.1.
• 30:59
  A big fan, really excited for ends come back with new
• 31:02
  cosmetics that, let's face it, are going to be all goblin
• 31:05
  themed. And who doesn't love a little
• 31:07
  bit of dynamite? Wait, sorry, I is plunder?
• 31:12
  I thought it was coming. Like I thought the point was
• 31:13
  that they're bringing Plunderstorm back forever.
• 31:15
  Did I miss a line where they said that it was time limited
• 31:18
  again? Well, they so it was announced
• 31:21
  like 3 weeks ago thunderstorm was coming back.
• 31:23
  Yeah, this was not a reveal on this direct.
• 31:28
  Yeah. And if you look at the road map,
• 31:29
  which is the sexiest thing I've seen all week, if you look at
• 31:33
  the road map, it's got its own one small little flag, so the
• 31:36
  same as it did last time. I don't think there's any
• 31:38
  indication it's going to be a long term.
• 31:40
  Fair enough. Well, I got I got to ask you
• 31:43
  guys as other than the new store, which I think it's great,
• 31:49
  do you think there's going to be any additional changes?
• 31:52
  Do you think it's going to be a new map?
• 31:54
  Do you think we're going to get new powers or do you think this
• 31:56
  is going because it's coming back so quickly?
• 31:59
  Do you think that this is simply going to be just like a second
• 32:02
  bite at the apple? Throw it to you, Lex first.
• 32:05
  Sorry, I I. Hope there's not more changes
• 32:09
  because I'm scared for the doves.
• 32:11
  They're doing so much and they and I, I, I am I, I don't know
• 32:15
  when I became like the dev's mom, like I don't know when that
• 32:19
  became my role, but I was listening and I was having so
• 32:22
  much fun with the Warcraft direct, but I was also sitting
• 32:24
  there like, they're going to make my babies crunch.
• 32:27
  So I'm so sorry to all of the developers who have to listen to
• 32:33
  me, like act like I know what your life is like, but I want
• 32:36
  them to take a nap and eat their vegetables.
• 32:42
  I think they announced that it was going to be a new map with
• 32:47
  some new powers, and I feel like that was announced when they
• 32:50
  first talked about it a couple of weeks ago.
• 32:54
  Well then I wouldn't know. Maybe I missed it.
• 32:56
  Maybe I missed it. Maybe I maybe it was a fever
• 32:59
  dream I had. I remember that they said that a
• 33:01
  few changes were coming to Plunderstorm.
• 33:04
  Yeah, including the way that we we go through right.
• 33:07
  But I don't recall other than it including like new mounts and
• 33:13
  and rewards and such. So I genuinely do not know I.
• 33:19
  Would like some new powers. I can't.
• 33:21
  I don't know. I don't know how hard it is to.
• 33:24
  I don't play Fortnite, but I imagine Fortnite comes up with
• 33:26
  new powers fairly regularly. Oh, you need to release a new
• 33:30
  John Wickskin every other day. So yeah, I again, it feels to me
• 33:37
  Plunderstorm feels like something that's a fairly light
• 33:39
  lift in terms of dev hours. But once they actually got it
• 33:43
  built, that process probably took more.
• 33:46
  But now that it's built, I think iterating on it is is going to
• 33:50
  be a little bit less intense, and that's why they can come up
• 33:52
  with it a bit faster. Fair enough.
• 33:54
  OK, I. Don't know for sure Fast Dev, if
• 33:56
  you're listening, and I like to think you are, I was actually
• 33:59
  watching. Were you guys watching and
• 34:01
  reading the titles of every dev that came on the screen?
• 34:04
  I kept hoping one of them would have said FAZ dev as being like
• 34:07
  identifying as this is the Blizzard dev assigned to do our
• 34:11
  at first at one point when it was the when I can't remember
• 34:15
  his name. I don't get it wrong with the
• 34:16
  gentleman who was talking about Mr. Pandaria Classic coming out.
• 34:19
  He came out and he was talking and at one point I thought he
• 34:22
  was going to say, and we're making some changes and he's
• 34:25
  going to say, you know, we're going to let you start at the
• 34:27
  level of myths without having to play through all the other
• 34:29
  classics in the past. And then he didn't say that.
• 34:32
  But if he had that and I was like, he's going to say it, then
• 34:34
  I was like, is that Fas dev? Is this Fas dev?
• 34:36
  And that's a classic right now. But he didn't say that and it
• 34:38
  didn't say Fas dev in his in his lower 3rd.
• 34:41
  So you're out there, Fas dev. Thank you so much today.
• 34:44
  It was amazing. You guys rocked it.
• 34:46
  We love you so much. I I assume Faz dev is like a
• 34:50
  team and it's a rotating gallery of rogues.
• 34:54
  Yeah, now one person could listen to every episode of US.
• 34:57
  Who's going to put up with Manny this time?
• 34:59
  It's George Straw drawn, the dog and the wolf crossing each
• 35:02
  other. Mourn and Ralph.
• 35:03
  Mourn and Frank. Yep.
• 35:08
  So we've got plunder storm coming, but there's also a lot
• 35:13
  that is there for retail just on the horizon.
• 35:17
  We are getting 11 point O .7 and that is coming quickly.
• 35:24
  In fact, it's going to be scheduled for December.
• 35:28
  But even before that, we just got novellas that are voiced by
• 35:35
  Chris Metzen himself. The.
• 35:37
  Man, the myth, the legend. So these are there's a link
• 35:43
  directly to them. You can watch them through
• 35:46
  YouTube. And I haven't had a chance to to
• 35:49
  do them yet because it's been a busy day and I already had to
• 35:52
  take, you know, my lunch, my lunch for this wonderful,
• 35:56
  wonderful event. But yeah, this is talking about
• 35:59
  like what happened with Jana and Thrall while they were off
• 36:03
  screened. I love, I love this.
• 36:06
  I'm hoping that there's some hints on things that are going
• 36:08
  to be coming in the future that would be so like Blizzard to to
• 36:13
  hit that. But this is all leading towards
• 36:16
  11 point O .7. As as I said, this seems like
• 36:22
  they're really hitting that cadence fast because December we
• 36:27
  get that. So that's like right after the
• 36:29
  American Thanksgiving break, right?
• 36:33
  Very short period of time before we go into the Christmas, New
• 36:37
  Year's break for a lot of people.
• 36:39
  There is a great amount of story in the 11 point 0.72 storylines
• 36:46
  that we're aware of, one that's available for testing on the PTR
• 36:50
  that I've been working through in my spare time and have been
• 36:53
  enjoying. This isn't something that you
• 36:54
  just finish off in like a quick half hour like some of the other
• 36:59
  story events that we've got that we've received before.
• 37:04
  This one is, I would say closer in the length of it to kind of
• 37:09
  the Hunting Down Xalatath storyline that we got, which I
• 37:14
  think was pretty immediate. And I think that this is the
• 37:17
  smaller one because this is the survivor of Dalaran's one that
• 37:20
  I'm talking about, not the the other one, which is including
• 37:25
  the Heronar, including the character that we got in the
• 37:29
  trailer, which I suspect is going to be huge.
• 37:33
  But I can only suspect because it is encrypted on the PTR right
• 37:36
  now. Can't touch it, can't play it.
• 37:38
  But we got a little view of it in the in this little piece.
• 37:44
  You weren't here last episode, so you didn't get to go through
• 37:47
  it with Sean and I. You excited about 11.0 Point 7?
• 37:50
  Does the ring interest you? Does the island interest you?
• 37:53
  What's your take so far? I do not know anything about the
• 37:57
  ring. I feel like the whispers that
• 37:59
  I've heard about it are that people are feeling maybe snarky
• 38:03
  about it. Question mark.
• 38:05
  I will also say if I do understand how the ring works
• 38:07
  correctly, I have never once been able to successfully figure
• 38:09
  out how to game those systems like when we had like the
• 38:11
  freaking punch card in Becca gone.
• 38:14
  I like when I tell you I was like on every single website
• 38:18
  like how do I get rid of this thing like how do I do anything
• 38:21
  else with my time? I don't want to deal with this.
• 38:23
  I don't want to have to think about like which I'm no, I'm
• 38:25
  not. I just give me just give me a
• 38:27
  damn thing. Don't make me put things in the
• 38:29
  I hate it. So we'll see how I feel about
• 38:31
  the ring when it happens. It's OK, It's OK.
• 38:36
  I I love a story, though. I'm excited and I I also love a
• 38:38
  cute little new zone. It's always fun to get the cute
• 38:40
  little new zones. I remember when in I think it
• 38:44
  was Battle for Azeroth, we got the like you went down into the
• 38:48
  the place with all the fish people I think and my tripping.
• 38:50
  Nazatar. That's Nazatar.
• 38:52
  Yeah. That feels like a huge zone.
• 38:55
  I'm not sure that like, cuz I had the same time in Megagon.
• 38:58
  If I'm gonna say the cute little zone of those two, it's Megagon.
• 39:01
  That's the cute little zone, yeah.
• 39:04
  Yeah, whatever we love, we love a little.
• 39:06
  We love a little area to look around.
• 39:08
  We got things that are new. It's super exciting, super fun.
• 39:10
  I know this one's gonna be like cute little island.
• 39:11
  We're gonna have a cute little island.
• 39:12
  It's the beach episode. We're doing the beach episode.
• 39:15
  I figured it out anyway. So like I'm, I'm conceptually
• 39:20
  like I, I haven't done enough research to be excited, but I am
• 39:24
  conceptually excited because it's exciting things.
• 39:27
  OK, OK, and John, any any with this thing and the stuff that
• 39:33
  we've found out since then. What's your what's your current
• 39:36
  thoughts of 11 point O .7? Are you still like?
• 39:40
  I hope that ring is utterly forgettable and that you can
• 39:43
  just like, focus on other things.
• 39:45
  The Sims will tell me how I feel about the ring.
• 39:47
  Oh, you're. Playing Sims up.
• 39:51
  I am. Yeah.
• 39:52
  Yeah, I am playing some. I have to build them houses with
• 39:54
  no doors and windows and see how they figure it out.
• 40:01
  Yeah, the listeners can't see, but I'm wearing my Ted Bundy
• 40:03
  glasses. OK, all right.
• 40:11
  I I'm not getting past those Ted Bundy glasses.
• 40:13
  That said, I think that with the updates that they've been
• 40:19
  putting out there, they have said that on the PTR, how
• 40:23
  quickly people are going through it is because they're doing
• 40:27
  speed up progression for testing.
• 40:30
  They have confirmed that once you're through a certain a
• 40:34
  certain amount of hoops, you will be able to fly on that that
• 40:38
  island. So there's that for people who
• 40:40
  were screaming about like, Oh my goodness, no flying one in the
• 40:44
  world. Even though quite literally guys
• 40:47
  on a ground mount you can go from one side to the other in
• 40:51
  about two minutes, probably less than.
• 40:54
  But the ground mount doesn't make a whoosh sound when I start
• 40:57
  going. But by the time the whoosh sound
• 40:59
  is done, you're in fatigue zone, so really you're not going to
• 41:02
  use the whoosh. Sound.
• 41:05
  OK, so 11 point O .7 is coming out quickly.
• 41:11
  It does feel like it's going to be long enough for people to get
• 41:17
  the story and then we're going to go right into the next part
• 41:20
  because they have announced 11.1 now and everybody was sort of
• 41:27
  whispering about this. Does this doesn't seem entirely
• 41:29
  unexpected. We are going to be going to the
• 41:33
  undermine and so this is the goblin capital.
• 41:38
  They talked a bit about this. This Is Us working with one of
• 41:42
  four different cartels. Can we ally with all of them?
• 41:46
  I'm not entirely sure that like they just said, oh, you pick the
• 41:49
  the cartel, you'll work with them.
• 41:51
  So of course we've got the steam widdle that we've been dealing
• 41:56
  with in like Tenaris and get a Gaddis and we have the venture
• 42:03
  code that that we've been fighting with for so long.
• 42:07
  And all of these guys are vying for control or some sort of
• 42:15
  stake in the in the city. This feels kind of like gangs of
• 42:20
  Tinnaris kind of bring it back to Hearthstone.
• 42:23
  You guys aren't going to remember that, but like, I like
• 42:27
  this. I like this a lot.
• 42:28
  I'm hoping that there's going to be some fun, fun things in this.
• 42:33
  But along with this, we're getting a new dungeon, a new
• 42:37
  raid, of course, a new zone like this is the full next, next part
• 42:45
  and one of the most interesting things about this.
• 42:50
  Go ahead, Lex. You're making, you're making a
• 42:51
  new car. Gonna get a little car.
• 42:56
  We are once again pushing the bounds of locomotion in the
• 42:59
  World Warcraft. This is there is at least one
• 43:03
  dev who is just like over there Like, hey, kids, but what if we
• 43:06
  like, what if they what if they moved like crazy?
• 43:08
  Like, what if instead of you know how they go on a straight
• 43:10
  line? What if instead they went Yeah,
• 43:11
  but do you? And I love that dev.
• 43:13
  We are best friends. If that dev is the fast dev.
• 43:16
  Just please know we are besties like you and I.
• 43:18
  Ride or die. You don't.
• 43:19
  You, You don't have to be for me, but I am for you.
• 43:22
  Because frankly, you are the reason that I can ride.
• 43:24
  So that's OK. Yeah.
• 43:26
  We're getting a cool little car and it's gonna zoop around.
• 43:32
  And we're it's and it's customizable and we're gonna
• 43:36
  have a good time. Yeah, like this is this is
• 43:39
  dragon mounts. When I say 2 point O, this feels
• 43:43
  like because they don't fly, it's not 2 point O What do you
• 43:48
  think, Sean? I made a tweet before all of
• 43:52
  this event happened saying pleading with wow Twitter not to
• 43:57
  do the thing where they get the shitty and cynical about things
• 44:02
  that are minor that they hear about when there's going to be
• 44:04
  so many things to be excited for.
• 44:06
  I just want to say in regards to the forced driving which implies
• 44:11
  no flying in 11.1, that I am very excited for the new raid
• 44:15
  and the new dungeon and mother lode is my all time favorite
• 44:20
  dungeon from BFA and I'm so excited that's coming back.
• 44:24
  I want, I want these, these undermine drift cars.
• 44:29
  I'm hoping that I could do a custom license plate.
• 44:32
  I just I just need to see Lex going around with zoomies as her
• 44:36
  license plate. Like.
• 44:38
  That yes, my God, please. I'm sorry.
• 44:41
  I'm sorry, Sean. I'm sorry.
• 44:42
  OK don't, no reason to be sorry. I expect there will be a Azeroth
• 44:48
  cart styled boss fight in the new raid, similar to how we had
• 44:53
  the dragon riding fight against tendril.
• 44:57
  I imagine there will be one in the goblin raid.
• 45:00
  I'm excited 11.1's coming and and you guys, I can't believe
• 45:02
  you didn't even mention the most exciting part of 11.1, which by
• 45:06
  the way is coming before spring of 2025.
• 45:10
  Folks, do you realize World War thinners are only three months
• 45:13
  old and we're looking at the entire rest of its existence in
• 45:18
  2025? This is going to be an 18 month
• 45:20
  batch anyway, 18 month expansion.
• 45:23
  The the most exciting part about 11.1 war bands camp collections
• 45:27
  are coming. You're going to be able to
• 45:30
  adjust your war band camp scene. That's obviously what that
• 45:34
  means. There's nothing else that could
• 45:35
  possibly mean. The road map is the sexiest
• 45:37
  thing I've seen all week. It looks, it looks really great.
• 45:41
  I I was, I was going to get to that, but I really do love that
• 45:46
  they're adding in this stuff. There is there was one thing
• 45:49
  that was like, oh, maybe that's part of the revamp, which is
• 45:51
  down the line in the they have a war bands revamp down the line,
• 45:57
  down the line in the road map. So I wasn't quite sure, but it's
• 46:01
  exciting. I love that they're they're
• 46:03
  doing this sort of stuff. I have to say one thing I
• 46:07
  thought was strange and one thing I was checking against the
• 46:11
  road map is with this, this the new dungeon, the operation
• 46:18
  dungeon. It has the name that makes me
• 46:21
  think that it is a mega dungeon, but they didn't say mega
• 46:27
  dungeon. It's definitely not a mega
• 46:29
  dungeon. Yeah, and it's going directly
• 46:31
  into Mythic Plus too. So like.
• 46:34
  And Ian said this is joining the other 4 original dungeons and
• 46:38
  three legacy dungeons, one of which is Mother Lode.
• 46:42
  I got to tell you, knowing that alone, Manny, I got to jump on
• 46:46
  that. That alone is great news for
• 46:48
  season 2 because mother Lode is a banger dungeon.
• 46:51
  This new dungeon is probably going to be good.
• 46:52
  Benefit of the doubt that most of the dungeons in in War Within
• 46:55
  had been pretty good. So I'm going to say this new
• 46:57
  one's going to be pretty good. And again, who doesn't like
• 46:58
  dynamite? As long as it's not no more
• 47:00
  Reagan 2 point O we're good. And then the other dungeons from
• 47:04
  stone are from War within. Are the Rookery the best dungeon
• 47:08
  they've ever made other than dead mites?
• 47:10
  Really. I thought Cinder Cinder me
• 47:11
  Brewery would be the best one. Sending Broom.
• 47:13
  Yeah, you know what's coming. Though Manny.
• 47:16
  Bees. More bees, Buzz Buz.
• 47:20
  And then what's the other one I'm missing?
• 47:24
  We haven't done yet. Cinder Brew Rookery.
• 47:28
  There's two more. Oh, Priory of the Scion.
• 47:30
  Whatever it is. Yeah.
• 47:32
  Scarlet Monastery. 2 point O that looks at me.
• 47:34
  That's amazing. And wow, there's another
• 47:37
  dungeon. Is it in?
• 47:40
  It's not in. There, can you just do for it?
• 47:42
  You said Rookery, cinder brew, cinder brew Priory, Priory.
• 47:47
  What's the 4th I should know that it's so much heroic.
• 47:49
  It's got to be in the ring. Deeps.
• 47:51
  Oh yeah. Dark flame.
• 47:52
  Dark flame cleft. Oh.
• 47:53
  That's. Gonna be OK I oh, I'm not happy
• 47:55
  about that one I that. One's gonna be rough on pugs cuz
• 47:58
  they're not gonna know how to do the last boss.
• 47:59
  I get it. But for those of us in pre maids
• 48:02
  and who have done the most minuscule amount of research pre
• 48:06
  hand, that'd be great. I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm
• 48:09
  excited. 11.1's gonna be awesome.
• 48:11
  I can't wait to spend all of my time inside dungeons and raids.
• 48:14
  Dude I'm so happy for you and Delves and bringing out new
• 48:17
  Delves. New Delves.
• 48:18
  Did you guys, I, I'm, I doubt you were paying enough
• 48:21
  attention. Maybe you weren't paying deep
• 48:23
  attention to the, the delve piece.
• 48:25
  Did you guys catch that? They kind of slid in that bran
• 48:27
  bran for you to beer to staying with us.
• 48:30
  Yeah, I wasn't super happy about it.
• 48:34
  I think I, I, I feel the need to like, tease them lightly.
• 48:38
  I don't think it's a big deal, right?
• 48:39
  Like, I did think like having a new companion of like, I get why
• 48:42
  that would be stressful and a lot like, it's not the end of
• 48:44
  the world. I think it's really funny that
• 48:46
  they didn't just say that, right?
• 48:48
  Like they didn't just say, by the way, we've decided we're
• 48:50
  gonna stay with Grand Bronfeard. I will say I hate him.
• 48:52
  I hate grandpa. I knew this was gonna happen.
• 48:54
  He's so annoying. Like the fact that I have to
• 48:56
  listen to his stupid little voice lines all the time and his
• 48:58
  snarky little voice. I hate him.
• 49:00
  I hate him so much. I wanted to get rid of him just
• 49:02
  because I'm so done with him and I do this with anyone like it's
• 49:04
  OK, not a big deal, but I do hate him.
• 49:08
  But the fact that they just kind of like threw in like we're
• 49:11
  going to get new delves and also new abilities for Bran.
• 49:14
  And also have you guys looked at the raid?
• 49:15
  I'm like honey. Hold a punk.
• 49:19
  We all got that. We don't.
• 49:21
  We don't. We don't need new abilities for
• 49:22
  a guy we're getting rid of. We don't need new.
• 49:25
  He doesn't need new abilities. Goblin themed abilities for the
• 49:28
  bench is the new ability. The bench has dynamite.
• 49:31
  Because that's the only one I'm accepting, yeah.
• 49:34
  Yeah, I could scratch Brands voice actor.
• 49:36
  You're probably wondering how we got here.
• 49:43
  I'm not a, I'm not too much of A brand hater because I, you know,
• 49:47
  I did what I needed to do in those dungeons and I got out.
• 49:50
  So I delves and I got out. I am wondering what in the world
• 49:56
  the drive system is. I think that's just the custom
• 49:59
  cars. Right.
• 50:00
  Yeah, it's the cars. Yeah, it is.
• 50:01
  OK, any anything, what I'm learning from rumble is whenever
• 50:04
  Blizzard, and I mean not just from Rumble, this is pretty
• 50:06
  rumble. But still, if if you ever see
• 50:08
  words that are like letter period, like that are clearly an
• 50:11
  acronym, it's goblins. Or what's the other short one?
• 50:15
  No. Sorry, I'm not sure what you're
• 50:21
  saying. The the if, if if you're seeing
• 50:24
  those like acronym words, that means that it's something
• 50:27
  relating to goblins or no. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 50:30
  Good call. Did you call them acronyms?
• 50:34
  No, but that would have been really funny if I had.
• 50:37
  I wish you had, yeah. I'm so sorry I failed.
• 50:40
  That's OK. OK.
• 50:43
  So then I think that's going to be a pretty solid patch.
• 50:49
  People are kind of worried that going to the Undermine and the
• 50:55
  tyre goblin thing is a Side Story.
• 51:00
  But in my opinion, it's a good way of making sure that we get
• 51:05
  the right mix of like levity and fresh paint in the expansion
• 51:10
  without just doing more void and more faceless ones that some of
• 51:15
  people in this Triumphant will say is a misnomer.
• 51:19
  But we're going to pass that right by.
• 51:22
  I just want to ask you guys like, are you happy to be going
• 51:25
  to the Undermine? Does Liberation of Undermine
• 51:29
  feel like a really good solid dungeon in terms of concept?
• 51:33
  And I'll throw this to you first, John, because you got the
• 51:36
  problem with the faceless ones. I have a problem with faceless
• 51:41
  ones. No, he's making a joke.
• 51:43
  I have a problem with with the faceless ones and it's that they
• 51:46
  have very visually. Obvious faces.
• 51:50
  I don't have any any attachment to goblins personally, other
• 51:56
  than this weird feeling whenever I look at female goblins that I
• 51:59
  think they're cute and then I feel like I shouldn't think
• 52:01
  they're cute, but then I feel like nobody should tell me who I
• 52:03
  can feel looks cute anyway. Other than that, I don't have
• 52:08
  any attachment to God. I mean, other than that weird
• 52:10
  overshare, I don't have any other attachments to goblins,
• 52:14
  but honestly. So it's coming back to the game
• 52:18
  in 8.2 and and really every raid I've ever played in Warcraft,
• 52:22
  starting in Vanilla through BC, through Wrath and then Nailatha
• 52:26
  Forward, I've been mostly pleased with the raids and the
• 52:30
  stories told in the raids. 1 exception.
• 52:34
  I have no reason to believe this will be any different, and I am
• 52:36
  looking forward to seeing them flesh out the goblins from being
• 52:41
  caricatures of themselves, which is going to be really nice.
• 52:44
  I think that short story really set a good tone and I can't wait
• 52:48
  for the rest. Although it is.
• 52:49
  Is it weird that another bored leader is a raid boss?
• 52:55
  Does that keep happening? Is are you galliwicks?
• 52:57
  Is like you're, you're ascribing a lot of like humanity to
• 53:00
  Galliwicks. I I consider Galliwicks to be a
• 53:03
  target dummy. So I don't think that we can
• 53:05
  consider him a leader. OK.
• 53:08
  I agree that we have had a lot of Horde leaders become raid
• 53:14
  bosses, but Galliwick's is sort of this loose end that's been
• 53:19
  holding over from like end of BFA.
• 53:22
  Like we did see him a little bit like they did say they, we saw
• 53:24
  him a little bit in chat and sort of like we got a deal with
• 53:28
  him. And if we're dealing with him in
• 53:31
  order to flesh out the goblins, like I we, I think we've said
• 53:36
  this multiple times on this show.
• 53:37
  One of the big things I want is them to like explore where these
• 53:41
  these cultures have gone since their introduction and have like
• 53:45
  an actual hey, the goblins have like turned this new leaf and
• 53:51
  gone that way. And the Blood Elves are at this
• 53:55
  point in their. Their culture, they prefer to be
• 53:58
  called the Sendori. Well, we'll be hearing more
• 54:02
  about them in Midnight. So like, I'm really glad that we
• 54:06
  are getting that kind of exploration of these these
• 54:09
  cultures. Maybe they don't even call
• 54:10
  themselves the sindoorai after those events.
• 54:13
  They're like, OK, you know what, like we've moved past that.
• 54:16
  That would be huge. And I love that we're wrapping
• 54:19
  up these these loose ends. So Gatwick's being like 86th,
• 54:25
  right? And just be done with him.
• 54:26
  Or maybe he just becomes like the leader of the Venture Co and
• 54:31
  that's like their new stage of villainy.
• 54:33
  All of these are great stories to see where it goes from there.
• 54:36
  And I'm I'm happy for it. Yeah, My actual answer to that
• 54:40
  is that I, I do think I, I totally hear you that it feels
• 54:43
  like we're killing off a lot of Horde leaders.
• 54:46
  And I do I think that one thing that that does speak to is I
• 54:48
  think that much left with Blizzard, but they struggle to
• 54:51
  write genuine morally Gray slash evil alliance leaders.
• 54:56
  I or at least in in like recent history, I do think Dallywicks
• 55:02
  has to get go. Like one of the reasons that I
• 55:05
  think that goblins have been kind of neglected is because
• 55:08
  like Galliwicks is just so cartoonishly evil.
• 55:12
  He's not like it's not like an interesting, it's not like he
• 55:14
  comes on the scene and I'm like, oh, we're going to get into some
• 55:16
  like drama. Like it.
• 55:17
  I'm just going to be like, oh, great.
• 55:19
  And now the bad one is here sick and like cool, cool, cool, cool,
• 55:22
  cool, cool. And I think that's been holding
• 55:25
  back the horde. I think that's also been holding
• 55:27
  back the goblins from developing.
• 55:30
  I don't know, like to be fair, we're all assuming we're going
• 55:32
  to kill Galliwicks. They're they.
• 55:35
  The only thing we know is that the raid that we're doing is
• 55:37
  Galliwicks house. The only thing that they've done
• 55:41
  to death more than having us fight Horde leaders in raids is
• 55:46
  having those Horde leaders survive it and trickling on into
• 55:49
  the next expansion. Now let's let's end this clean.
• 55:52
  Yeah, I want him to die. I think that he is like, I think
• 55:55
  that like I, I, I think he's one of the weakest characters in the
• 55:58
  Warcraft franchise. I think it's time for him to go.
• 56:00
  I understand. Like he filled a slot that
• 56:02
  needed to be filled. Like done I I'm over him.
• 56:07
  He needs to go. I want to see actual goblin
• 56:09
  lore. I want the man dead,
• 56:12
  respectfully. Are we still talking about
• 56:14
  Galliwicks? Yeah, Galliwicks is, you know,
• 56:17
  sometimes we care about the lore on this show.
• 56:18
  We don't need to worry about it. OK All right.
• 56:23
  I mean, OK, they did say. I get it.
• 56:25
  He's greedy, he's undesirable, he's unredeemable.
• 56:29
  I wouldn't want him ready. If he dies, he dies.
• 56:31
  It's cool. I I get it.
• 56:34
  Like, but he's, he's hanging out in his, in his big hotel, the
• 56:38
  Galaggio. I love that.
• 56:39
  Like instead of calling it the Bellagio, they call it the
• 56:41
  Galaggio. I think that this is a lot.
• 56:45
  We got the full timeline for 2025.
• 56:49
  As Sean mentioned, this is the entirety of this expansion that
• 56:57
  is now laid out before us going through 2025.
• 57:00
  It also includes Midnight being revealed, and they've given us a
• 57:07
  time frame for that reveal, so that's going to be huge.
• 57:10
  I think that's probably going to be at Gamescon based on the
• 57:14
  timing of it. On top of that, this is not
• 57:18
  going to be the first thing that we see of midnight because they
• 57:22
  decided to give a very special teaser because Blizzard put
• 57:27
  together the announcement, the teaser announcement of player
• 57:32
  housing. Who would have thought this was
• 57:35
  coming? Who could have imagined?
• 57:40
  Soul. So breezy soul.
• 57:42
  So breezy. Yes, Soul so breezy has been
• 57:46
  championist for so long. I had I, I had to watch the
• 57:51
  clip. As soon as I saw this, I was
• 57:52
  like, Soul must be going out of his mind.
• 57:58
  And guys, there are few moments of joy in this in this world,
• 58:03
  but that clip, that is a man having pure joy and I love that
• 58:09
  for him. It was just like that made my
• 58:11
  day. That made my day.
• 58:13
  And I hope player housing makes a lot of people's day.
• 58:16
  I, I have been resistant to player housing for a long time
• 58:23
  because, you know, I did garrisons and I know what that
• 58:26
  was. And I just feel like cosmetics,
• 58:30
  you know, you carry them on your back, you mount the, you mount
• 58:33
  and drive, go around town and everybody's like, oh, where'd
• 58:36
  you get that? Look at that cool sword.
• 58:38
  Look at that cool transmog, look at that cool mount like that.
• 58:41
  To me, that's where I get my bragging rights.
• 58:45
  But player housing has been something that players have been
• 58:48
  asking for, for a long, long time.
• 58:51
  Not just so, so breezy, but a good portion of the, the
• 58:54
  audience as well. So I got to ask you guys, are
• 58:58
  you excited for player housing? Let's go with our RP queen here.
• 59:04
  Lex, how you going to dress your replace?
• 59:07
  I, this was exactly what I was talking about when I said with
• 59:10
  Plunderstorm, I was going to have another thing where my
• 59:12
  answer was like, I mean, I don't it's not for me, but I know you
• 59:16
  guys are really happy, so I'm really happy you're getting what
• 59:18
  you wanted. I it's not for me, but I know
• 59:22
  you guys are really happy about it, right?
• 59:24
  So like the player housing people I like, I know how much
• 59:27
  this means to you, like genuinely, not snarkily, this is
• 59:30
  I'm so happy for you, like you guys deserve.
• 59:32
  This is what you have been fighting the good fight for like
• 59:35
  as long as I've played World of Warcraft.
• 59:37
  I am over the moon that you have won this battle.
• 59:40
  I am excited just because I know how excited you guys are and I'm
• 59:44
  so excited for you guys to show me pictures of your player
• 59:46
  houses and I'll probably get one and then like not do anything
• 59:50
  with it. But that's OK.
• 59:51
  I was bad at The Sims. But at least your place will
• 59:55
  have doors and windows. Let's.
• 59:57
  Who knows, if they make me buy them then y'all really well I'm
• 1:00:00
  sorry. So then, Sean, if you have to
• 1:00:04
  step into this player housing, I'm assuming that you're going
• 1:00:06
  to have doors and windows. Are you going to do much more
• 1:00:09
  with it than that? Probably I mean, I do get
• 1:00:15
  weirdly into transmog, so this feels kind of like oust
• 1:00:19
  transmog. Yeah.
• 1:00:22
  I don't know, I I think I'm excited about it.
• 1:00:24
  I'm not like, Oh yeah, player housing.
• 1:00:26
  I can't wait. But I feel like once it, you
• 1:00:29
  know, opens up the opportunity to collect different beds and
• 1:00:32
  different chairs and, you know, set up different trophies.
• 1:00:35
  I saw they had it looked like they had oh man, the name of the
• 1:00:41
  sword is is eluding me right now.
• 1:00:43
  It was on the wall. No, it was it's the elven one
• 1:00:46
  that they used that the when they fought off the undead at
• 1:00:49
  the silver moon for this car. It starts with it's there's two
• 1:00:53
  of them. This one was the black and gold
• 1:00:55
  10. My goodness die anyway, this is
• 1:01:01
  crazy. I have these.
• 1:01:03
  I have these in the game anyway, it was on the wall.
• 1:01:05
  It's a curved one. It's an oven blade.
• 1:01:06
  Whatever else rock It was, Kel Delar on the wall nailed it.
• 1:01:10
  Kel Serrara is the other one The, the, the the long handed 1
• 1:01:13
  you got from the Nixia. Yeah.
• 1:01:17
  So that that kind of stuff was cool in linked to the past, not
• 1:01:21
  only to the past. In Breath of the Wild you had a
• 1:01:23
  house and you could put stuff on the walls.
• 1:01:24
  And I did even though you didn't need to.
• 1:01:27
  And in Skyrim, I had all the cheese, every piece, every piece
• 1:01:31
  of cheese in my house. So I probably enjoy it.
• 1:01:36
  I'm like, right now in this morning, I'm not like, yeah,
• 1:01:38
  player housing. But when it comes out and my
• 1:01:41
  friends are doing up their houses and they're showing us
• 1:01:42
  stuff, I just have one ask, one minuscule minor request.
• 1:01:48
  Please don't make the base houses faction locked because I
• 1:01:58
  don't want to have to live in an alliance house if I play an
• 1:02:02
  alliance character and I'm certain there are a lot of
• 1:02:06
  people that play horde character.
• 1:02:07
  I have a blood elf. I certainly don't want them to
• 1:02:09
  live in a bone and hide butt. I would like for that.
• 1:02:14
  Are you telling me that people don't find Orgomar aesthetically
• 1:02:16
  pleasing? Some people do.
• 1:02:19
  Wait, OK, but unsarcastically, you're telling me people find
• 1:02:22
  Orgamar aesthetically pleasing? Orgamar is beautiful.
• 1:02:26
  I got screenshots and I share with you after the show.
• 1:02:28
  Sure, sure. No, you're so right, Manny.
• 1:02:30
  I'm so happy you get to experience that in your.
• 1:02:32
  Life, the Orgamar lovers in the room with us now.
• 1:02:37
  No, no, there's three of us. We each are in one separate one
• 1:02:41
  of your properties I think. Yeah, so player housing is cool
• 1:02:46
  And, and I want to echo Lex, there are folks who are rabid
• 1:02:49
  for this. But I would like to point out
• 1:02:53
  Ian did an interview where he said if we implemented something
• 1:02:58
  as big as player housing, it means we lose an entire patch.
• 1:03:03
  Are we losing a patch for player housing?
• 1:03:05
  And if so, is it just a Season 4 patch?
• 1:03:08
  Because I'm OK with that. Yeah, that would.
• 1:03:13
  That's my question. Or is that one of those things
• 1:03:17
  they say when they're like, we'll fix it soon, and then you
• 1:03:20
  have to wait for the 20th anniversary?
• 1:03:22
  I I love that they're doing this with midnight.
• 1:03:26
  We got war bands with this expansion and that's such a
• 1:03:31
  great quality of life permanent upgrade for the game.
• 1:03:37
  Player housing feels like the next war band.
• 1:03:41
  Like hey guys, this is where you get to like put all your
• 1:03:44
  trophies and and show off all your stuff.
• 1:03:47
  I assume. Like if I had to implement this,
• 1:03:54
  I want this thing to be basically a, you can pick a plot
• 1:04:04
  and then like you go through the drag and that's your origami
• 1:04:08
  plot. And it's sort of like a instance
• 1:04:10
  version that, that you can look out the windows and see it.
• 1:04:13
  And then when you come back out, you're into the city.
• 1:04:16
  And then they just put like one of those quasi portals into each
• 1:04:19
  of the each of the cities. And that would be great.
• 1:04:22
  And then maybe, you know, throw those in like Valdrack and the,
• 1:04:25
  and the common cities. I'm not sure fully about this
• 1:04:31
  because if it's got its own Hearthstone, like is that a
• 1:04:35
  thing? Are we looking at any kind of
• 1:04:39
  like issue that we had with garrisons with isolation where
• 1:04:43
  people just like can do everything in their, their
• 1:04:48
  little instance thing? And so the entire world gets
• 1:04:50
  empty? There's a lot of dangers that
• 1:04:52
  happened with garrisons that obviously they're going to be
• 1:04:57
  conscious of. So I'm I'm looking forward to
• 1:05:00
  hearing more about how they implement this.
• 1:05:03
  Yeah, no stress, Manny. This is a hype, a moment.
• 1:05:05
  We're excited for player housing.
• 1:05:06
  All of the things that could potentially go wrong.
• 1:05:08
  We're going to talk about that in another episode.
• 1:05:11
  This episode is player housing's coming.
• 1:05:13
  We're happy for you player housing folks.
• 1:05:15
  We look forward to putting walls on heads.
• 1:05:17
  OK, but I do want to ask one thing and I've got to ask this
• 1:05:20
  to. Yeah, didn't you see the Amyxia
• 1:05:23
  head on the wall? Yeah, but you said heads on
• 1:05:26
  wall. That is, Yep, that's that's the
• 1:05:31
  order that goes. Sorry, Sean, I felt like you and
• 1:05:33
  I were too locked in for this episode and I needed I needed to
• 1:05:36
  give like Manny and IA second. I also don't I'm doing little
• 1:05:40
  hand motion that will a only be meaningful to me and like anyway
• 1:05:44
  when we were. You guys not in The Sims also
• 1:05:46
  line the foundation of your buildings with skulls and then
• 1:05:49
  put the walls on top of them as a as a lesson to the rest of The
• 1:05:53
  Sims. It's like, yeah, that's the
• 1:05:57
  Orkumar. It's like the foundation is just
• 1:05:59
  the skulls of your enemies. I'd probably buy a tent for
• 1:06:04
  that. OK, but I do want to ask Lex a
• 1:06:11
  question for you. In Final Fantasy 14 they have
• 1:06:17
  auctions for the land so that you can get a plot right, and so
• 1:06:23
  therefore the amount of people who get player housing is
• 1:06:26
  limited. Would you think that they should
• 1:06:31
  have some sort of gold sync for player housing, much like
• 1:06:36
  transmog currently is a gold sync?
• 1:06:40
  Oh well. So I think those are two
• 1:06:43
  different. They're they're related the
• 1:06:46
  gold. Related questions maybe like
• 1:06:49
  transmog is a gold sync but like.
• 1:06:52
  It's not limited, it's. Not like I don't get to put on
• 1:06:54
  my pants because you pay more money for them.
• 1:06:56
  Right. I think so.
• 1:07:02
  I'm going to answer somebody who has like 0 gold.
• 1:07:06
  I think it should be. Well, sorry.
• 1:07:14
  OK, compose that thought. I'm going to just say a little
• 1:07:18
  bit more, OK, The difference with a limited amount is that
• 1:07:24
  they drag a large amount of money out of a small amount of
• 1:07:28
  players. If they make it unlimited amount
• 1:07:31
  of slots, the amount of money being dragged out of the
• 1:07:34
  individual player. I'm already in less.
• 1:07:37
  I have to cut you off. Many.
• 1:07:38
  We are already in a real life housing crisis where there are
• 1:07:41
  not enough houses for people who can't afford them.
• 1:07:43
  There's no way. There's no way they do that in
• 1:07:48
  our video game come. On no way reflects reality,
• 1:07:51
  baby. This is it.
• 1:07:52
  I'm it's going to be free, do it in final.
• 1:07:55
  Fantasy. I'm not saying that this is some
• 1:07:56
  brand new. I'm going to start a Guild
• 1:07:58
  called a hedge fund and I'm just going to buy all the property
• 1:08:01
  and then rent it out at a premium to people.
• 1:08:04
  No, Manny, this is gross. This is awesome.
• 1:08:09
  I Final Fantasy does that. Sorry, the crazy acclaimed MMO
• 1:08:13
  Final Fantasy does it. I only play Final Fantasy for
• 1:08:16
  like an hour a week with my parents but when they try like
• 1:08:19
  when the game tried to explain player housing to me I was like
• 1:08:23
  this is what people are on Twitter begging for.
• 1:08:26
  Like this sounds horrible so but I'm also very stupid and can't
• 1:08:30
  follow multi step processes so you know who knows.
• 1:08:35
  People in Final Fantasy love their player housing and my
• 1:08:38
  parents are very rich in Final Fantasy because they play it all
• 1:08:42
  the time and my mother is a try hard tank and I love her.
• 1:08:46
  So they are talking about buying a house and maybe that'll change
• 1:08:49
  my mind. I am of a few minds which is why
• 1:08:57
  every time I try to speak I instead just like make like loud
• 1:09:00
  noises and lean away from the mic.
• 1:09:04
  I on the one hand think this is something that so many people
• 1:09:07
  have wanted for so long. I think it would be sad if it
• 1:09:12
  was heavily price gated. I just, I mean, first of all, if
• 1:09:20
  it's expensive, I'm not buying it, right?
• 1:09:21
  Just I'm not putting gold in. I will buy a house if it's cheap
• 1:09:27
  and if it's really just more of a little aesthetic, cute little
• 1:09:30
  decorating thing. The 2nd that it becomes an
• 1:09:33
  actual gold thing, it's not happening.
• 1:09:37
  But also I, I just had at the beginning of this that I'm not
• 1:09:39
  super excited about player housing.
• 1:09:40
  So like, who cares? You know, it's not at the end of
• 1:09:43
  the world if I don't get player housing.
• 1:09:44
  I would feel really bad if the people who are really excited
• 1:09:47
  about it are not able to get it. So I guess the question there
• 1:09:52
  becomes how much of A Venn diagram is the like the people
• 1:09:58
  who desperately want player housing and the people who farm
• 1:10:01
  gold? The flip side of all of this is
• 1:10:05
  that like a if housing is limited and hard to access and
• 1:10:08
  expensive, that kind of does fix the Garrison problem.
• 1:10:12
  Because if people can't all just sit in their houses and not go
• 1:10:14
  anywhere, then like they won't sit in their houses and not go
• 1:10:17
  anywhere. They don't have any
• 1:10:20
  homelessness. They will be very social because
• 1:10:23
  they don't have houses. Sorry, that was we've got to
• 1:10:25
  remain murder hobos. Come on.
• 1:10:27
  We're not changing the entire game.
• 1:10:30
  The other thing that I don't like, we need these houses to be
• 1:10:34
  visitable, right? Like just a because it's like
• 1:10:37
  why else are you decorating your house and B as a role player,
• 1:10:40
  like as a historic role player. The idea that you would have
• 1:10:43
  access to a house you can decorate however you want and
• 1:10:46
  you can't bring your friends there.
• 1:10:47
  Like legitimately sounds like the biggest owl anyone could
• 1:10:50
  take. So I don't that didn't answer
• 1:10:55
  your question at all. I I think I am landing on I
• 1:10:59
  would like the houses to be cheap, pretty much universal.
• 1:11:04
  Any gold sink is in decorations or setting it up or anything
• 1:11:07
  else beyond that. And also your besties can all
• 1:11:11
  hang out in your. House Yeah, yeah, I I am
• 1:11:14
  officially going to start up at GILD.
• 1:11:16
  That is Rant and Rich Bros and I am going to buy up so much real
• 1:11:22
  estate. I I think that it's a give and
• 1:11:26
  take, right? Like it's not that the people
• 1:11:29
  would own it permanently. It's every month that it rotates
• 1:11:32
  Sean. So like you get it for a period
• 1:11:35
  of time. Already sucked all of the hype
• 1:11:37
  out of me Sir final. Fantasy has lost Sean forever.
• 1:11:44
  It's. So depressing to hear that.
• 1:11:45
  That's the saddest thing ever, that now in the game you go to
• 1:11:49
  for escape from how terrible humans are to each other.
• 1:11:53
  It's another place where humans can be terrible to each other.
• 1:11:56
  Do the people with the houses talk about the people without
• 1:11:58
  the houses like they're the poors?
• 1:12:00
  Oh my God, I'm so I'm so down. Manny you this is.
• 1:12:04
  Let's talk about the road map, OK?
• 1:12:06
  OK, talk about the road. We'll we'll come back to our
• 1:12:09
  hopes for player housing and our fears for play housing at a
• 1:12:12
  later date. For now though, let's 1st thank
• 1:12:16
  our patrons because hold. On Wait, I gotta ask Lex a
• 1:12:19
  question. Do your parents own a House of
• 1:12:20
  Final Fantasy or you're hoping they're gonna buy a house?
• 1:12:22
  So it's hit the point when they have so much Gill so I will.
• 1:12:26
  I will say money is insanely easy to get in Final Fantasy.
• 1:12:30
  Like I have over 1,000,000 Gill which is the gold equivalent and
• 1:12:35
  I literally log in once a week to play for an hour and do a
• 1:12:39
  dungeon with my parents. And to be fair I also don't buy
• 1:12:41
  anything but like it seems like gold is the inflation in Final
• 1:12:46
  Fantasy is a problem. So I am not.
• 1:12:50
  I've not looked at player housing like when they
• 1:12:52
  introduced how player Housing Works in Final Fantasy.
• 1:12:54
  I looked at it for two seconds. I'm like this sounds like the
• 1:12:56
  worst thing I've ever heard of and I moved on with my life.
• 1:12:59
  But I'm not hyped for for player housing in general so I haven't
• 1:13:02
  like looked at it recently and seen how feasible it actually
• 1:13:05
  is. It's quite possible that within
• 1:13:06
  the economy of Final Fantasy as it stands, the housing is
• 1:13:10
  actually pretty much cheap and universal.
• 1:13:11
  Like anyone who can get it can get it at this point.
• 1:13:14
  My parents have so much gold because my my dad crafts all day
• 1:13:17
  and my mom runs dungeons all day That like they just need
• 1:13:20
  something to spend it on and they've bought like all the
• 1:13:23
  mounts you can buy so might as well buy a house.
• 1:13:27
  So they have not purchased a house yet though, no.
• 1:13:29
  I hope your parents get a house. Me.
• 1:13:31
  Too. I'm so sad now.
• 1:13:34
  Manny has made me so sad. I didn't make you sad.
• 1:13:40
  Reality made you sad. Final Fantasy made you sad.
• 1:13:43
  Final Fantasy makes everybody sad.
• 1:13:44
  Have you? World made me sad.
• 1:13:46
  It's so depressing they kill off so many people but then they all
• 1:13:49
  come back like OK I'm. Going to make myself better.
• 1:13:53
  I'm going to make myself myself feel better tomorrow and go to
• 1:13:55
  the bank and buy another house. Thank you SO.
• 1:14:00
  Much with with that said, let's thank the people who are
• 1:14:06
  allowing Sean to buy. We're going to have to just do a
• 1:14:09
  different promo. We're not thanking people that
• 1:14:11
  allow Sean to buy us. We're going to thank our patrons
• 1:14:16
  and Sean, I'll let you take care of this.
• 1:14:18
  Oh, perfect. Thank you, Manny.
• 1:14:21
  Have I ever told you folks about that time?
• 1:14:23
  Through the smoky haze of battle I watched ER Coin and
• 1:14:26
  Nightbourne mage. Their spell work and elegant
• 1:14:29
  dance of arcane brilliance admits the burning chaos of the
• 1:14:32
  Legions forces. They moved with grace and
• 1:14:34
  precision, conjuring spells that shimmered with a familiar
• 1:14:37
  Surimar light, each burst of magic tearing through the demons
• 1:14:40
  with a vengeance I'd rarely seen among our own.
• 1:14:43
  In that moment, as their arcane missiles lit up the night, I
• 1:14:47
  knew I was witnessing a true master of the ancient arts, a
• 1:14:50
  mage whose power spoke of both pride and defiance in the face
• 1:14:54
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• 1:15:01
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• 1:15:11
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  discord at bit dot LY slash fast discord, where apparently now
• 1:15:17
  we're giving out tips on being a pro warrior, which is fun.
• 1:15:20
  I hope people are picking more people are picking it up.
• 1:15:26
  Well, I it looks like more people are putting it down if
• 1:15:30
  we're to go by the latest numbers.
• 1:15:32
  But that's the story for another episode.
• 1:15:35
  For now, let's talk about this road map.
• 1:15:39
  John lead us through the promised path.
• 1:15:44
  OK give me one second I need to mute the cough and then we will
• 1:15:47
  road map. Maybe the coughing, maybe the
• 1:15:49
  road map was the coughs we made along the way it.
• 1:15:52
  Was the coughs we made along the way.
• 1:15:53
  OK man we're going to talk road map and this road map is not
• 1:15:56
  gated by who will pay the most gold for it.
• 1:15:59
  No this road map is real and true and free for all.
• 1:16:03
  We are getting 11.1 in early or late winter 2025.
• 1:16:07
  So like was that February maybe, which is probably when most
• 1:16:12
  people predicted it, 8 end February, early March maybe.
• 1:16:15
  And in spring we're getting 11 point 1.5.
• 1:16:17
  We've already talked with 11.1, so we're going to gloss over
• 1:16:20
  that 11 point 1.5 and 11 point 1.7 are both coming in spring.
• 1:16:25
  And there's two things I want to highlight here in those those
• 1:16:29
  and the first one is Horrific Visions Revisited.
• 1:16:33
  It is a well known fact that I think Horrific Visions is the
• 1:16:36
  peak of solo gameplay and Warcraft.
• 1:16:39
  I've settled on this show many times.
• 1:16:40
  Obviously Bazdev heard those notes and went back to the team
• 1:16:44
  and said, listen folks, we got to make people go crazy and
• 1:16:46
  storm wind again because they're coming back and I can't wait.
• 1:16:49
  And also says new content Nightfall, which I assume is a
• 1:16:54
  new zone coming in 11 point 1.5 and we get some story inquests,
• 1:16:59
  new content and system updates. Those system updates must be
• 1:17:03
  significant for them to be mentioned on the road map, cross
• 1:17:06
  region play perhaps. Then in the summer we have 11.2
• 1:17:11
  coming, the world events, new dungeon, new raid, all
• 1:17:14
  everything that comes with a new season in season 3 there in the
• 1:17:17
  summer. Then we're getting our expansion
• 1:17:19
  reveal for midnight at the end of the summer.
• 1:17:21
  And then in autumn we're getting 11 point 2.5 and 2.7 again.
• 1:17:25
  New content and system updates significant enough to be
• 1:17:28
  mentioned on the road map. New story requests and new
• 1:17:31
  content and system updates again at the end of that 2 patch
• 1:17:36
  cycle. And then a little icon on the
• 1:17:40
  road map at the start of winter that a lot of folks have been
• 1:17:43
  trying to figure out what it is. It looks like a yellow triangle
• 1:17:48
  with a little hole in the Center for a door.
• 1:17:51
  And there's two main theories currently circular in the
• 1:17:55
  Internet. The one theory that I don't
• 1:17:58
  think it is, is that it's the sign for player housing coming
• 1:18:00
  to us in the winter and the start of the season 4 patch
• 1:18:05
  leading us into the new expansion.
• 1:18:06
  Because it's something you'd want us to have access to.
• 1:18:08
  But what I think it is the sign for a time running event as we
• 1:18:17
  spiral in to return in time with the Bronze dragon flight to
• 1:18:22
  Legion I'm running. What about that makes you think
• 1:18:27
  Legion? What about that makes me think
• 1:18:29
  Legion? Yeah, they you they chose green
• 1:18:32
  for the color under winter. They chose fell green.
• 1:18:36
  Oh, wait, that no, wait, no, no, wait, That's actually really
• 1:18:39
  interesting and I missed that so because I was like, Oh no, Sean,
• 1:18:43
  like it's but it's not because if you look at the road map on.
• 1:18:47
  The rest of that road map is gold and the end.
• 1:18:50
  Compared to classic, it's gold all the way through.
• 1:18:53
  That's fell. I don't, I don't know if it's
• 1:18:55
  definitively Legion time, but like they're I need to zoom in
• 1:19:01
  on this. And there is there appears to be
• 1:19:04
  like a a line, there's like waves in there or something.
• 1:19:08
  Yeah, that's what I'm looking at right now.
• 1:19:11
  Which could be the tattoos on a particular Demon Hunter.
• 1:19:15
  No they're not. They're not Demon Hunter like
• 1:19:18
  tattoos. They look like energy.
• 1:19:20
  Yeah, it's definitely Legion, Legion time running.
• 1:19:24
  That's where that symbol is. Kind of almost.
• 1:19:26
  OK, looks like. Anyway, it's something there's,
• 1:19:30
  there's something going because I don't think it's just general
• 1:19:32
  energy though, like it looks directed to me and I'm getting
• 1:19:38
  right up close to my screen because I'm very stupid.
• 1:19:42
  OK. And that's the road map.
• 1:19:44
  I have one take away from this. Oh man, is content coming fast.
• 1:19:53
  They told us they were going to be pushing these at these
• 1:19:55
  expansions out faster than before at a faster cadence.
• 1:20:00
  We have seen it already in practice.
• 1:20:02
  We're looking at probably a Season 4 that lasts about six
• 1:20:07
  months, the same as the other seasons, if that.
• 1:20:13
  And I would suspect that within 18 months from the launch of
• 1:20:16
  Shadow land of a fourth in, we're going to be seeing
• 1:20:19
  midnight. I think early winter 2026 we're
• 1:20:22
  going to be getting midnight probably right after Christmas.
• 1:20:26
  OK, you want to hear my tinfoil hat theory that might make some
• 1:20:31
  people some sad. Yeah.
• 1:20:35
  Expansion reveal in the late summer before the autumn and
• 1:20:43
  then winter with this one little thing.
• 1:20:47
  I don't think we're getting BlizzCon next year, guys.
• 1:20:50
  Oh, I don't think we're getting a BlizzCon ever again.
• 1:20:52
  This direct was so wildly popular.
• 1:20:54
  Microsoft is going to look at what it costs to produce this
• 1:20:57
  versus what it would have cost to actually have an in person
• 1:20:59
  event. Everybody loved this.
• 1:21:01
  There's no we, we. I don't think we get another
• 1:21:03
  BlizzCon ever again. Yeah, I actually, I didn't even
• 1:21:05
  process that until I was looking at this.
• 1:21:07
  I think BlizzCon is. I mean, because the 21st
• 1:21:11
  anniversary is there on that, that road map there too.
• 1:21:15
  Well, and there's there's absolutely not a snowball's
• 1:21:18
  chance in hell that they would reveal midnight not on Blitzcon,
• 1:21:23
  and they have it listed in summer.
• 1:21:25
  So yeah, no, I think, I think Blitzcon is dead in the water.
• 1:21:29
  Dead in the water that enough I do want to say another thing
• 1:21:35
  that I thought was kind of cool is the frequency that we're
• 1:21:38
  seeing the turbulent time waves show up.
• 1:21:41
  So it's back again with 11 point O .7 and then 11 point 1.7 back
• 1:21:47
  again as well. That just allows us to take an
• 1:21:51
  alt run it through those dungeons get there fast because
• 1:21:54
  it has that stacking that stacking buff.
• 1:21:57
  I think that is really a really organic way to like level up a
• 1:22:02
  new character that you wanted to level up.
• 1:22:05
  And then of course you don't really need it towards the end
• 1:22:07
  of expansion because you have that like pre expansion event
• 1:22:10
  that allows people to level up really quickly.
• 1:22:12
  This in my mind, is kind of them systemizing a way for players to
• 1:22:18
  get a new character up and ready to go.
• 1:22:23
  I didn't see anything and they said that they were probably
• 1:22:27
  going to leave this alone for a while.
• 1:22:28
  I didn't see anything about new class class race combinations in
• 1:22:34
  any of this. It could be new system, new
• 1:22:38
  content, system updates. Maybe that could be considered a
• 1:22:41
  system update? Yeah.
• 1:22:42
  And and of course with all of these timelines, they do update
• 1:22:46
  it along the way, right. So like it won't stay story
• 1:22:50
  quest, new content systems and Turbulent Hwy. for 11 point 1.7
• 1:22:54
  that will be fleshed out right? Actually, while I was listening
• 1:23:00
  to you guys talk, I was thinking we were saying like new system
• 1:23:03
  updates. That's big enough.
• 1:23:04
  I think that's a placeholder. I think that those are just
• 1:23:07
  words that they put because you can literally anything they do
• 1:23:10
  in the game, they can call new contents.
• 1:23:13
  It is either content or the system updates.
• 1:23:15
  And so I think it's every single some updates other than 11 point
• 1:23:19
  1.5, which presumably they've already like, which they are
• 1:23:21
  telling us exactly what they're doing.
• 1:23:23
  So I don't know necessarily that what they're saying is I have
• 1:23:26
  big plans for this, but it's hush hush.
• 1:23:27
  You can't know yet. I think they just don't know
• 1:23:29
  what they're going to do and they don't want to be called,
• 1:23:32
  they don't want to lock it in, right.
• 1:23:34
  Like even with this. Latest patch, they had some
• 1:23:36
  updates that they were doing to professions that got pushed off,
• 1:23:41
  right? And so that's going to come with
• 1:23:43
  the undermine thing. And that would have been like
• 1:23:47
  system updates, right? Right.
• 1:23:50
  So they have system updates that they have planned, but they're
• 1:23:52
  like, actually, we don't want to announce it and too, too far in
• 1:23:56
  advance because it might affect, it might affect things, it might
• 1:24:00
  get pushed off or, or cancelled altogether.
• 1:24:03
  So, yeah, I think it's, it's a placeholder.
• 1:24:06
  I, I'm sure they have updates that they would want to do, but
• 1:24:09
  especially with the way that they're going.
• 1:24:11
  And I'm going to put on the Lexmum hat for a second here,
• 1:24:16
  right? I'm glad that they allow
• 1:24:19
  themselves the flexibility to leave some stuff for later and
• 1:24:22
  not crunch their their way through.
• 1:24:24
  So that this, the way that they're announcing stuff allows
• 1:24:28
  them that flexibility. Yeah, this road map is really
• 1:24:32
  exciting. And cool.
• 1:24:33
  And also I'm looking. At it.
• 1:24:35
  And I'm like, Oh my God, like this is so like they, they have
• 1:24:38
  always built breaks into like, you know, yeah.
• 1:24:41
  Like we whine about our Season 4, you know, nothing season.
• 1:24:45
  But like there were, there were always like crunch and breaks
• 1:24:48
  and crunch and breaks that were built into the World of Warcraft
• 1:24:51
  developmental cycle. And I don't see any of that
• 1:24:54
  here. It is just like crunch, crunch,
• 1:24:57
  crunch. And I am, I'm like, I, I, I
• 1:25:01
  don't mean to be like a doomer about the fact that I'm getting
• 1:25:03
  more content and wonderful things, but like, that's not a
• 1:25:07
  sustainable way to maintain a game.
• 1:25:09
  And I will once again say, babes, we would rather have a
• 1:25:13
  good game with people who love it than like a lot of content.
• 1:25:18
  Before everyone burns out, be safe to, well, eat your
• 1:25:21
  vegetables. You can't.
• 1:25:23
  Even say like oh just hire more. Staff because.
• 1:25:25
  The game. This is a hype show.
• 1:25:27
  I'm not going to no, but OK, how about this?
• 1:25:29
  They have hired staff. They had a. 100 developers that
• 1:25:32
  came on this is clearly the fruits of having that that team
• 1:25:39
  working alongside of it. That's why we're getting more of
• 1:25:42
  these quest and story events that are like sizable quests
• 1:25:46
  because they have people who are focused on questing and that
• 1:25:51
  kind of campaign. So I get to enjoy like the
• 1:25:53
  Dalaran and that and they also built out that pipeline so that
• 1:25:57
  they are doing things simultaneously instead of all
• 1:26:01
  being focused on just whatever's coming right next.
• 1:26:04
  That's fair, right? And that's a more hype way of
• 1:26:07
  putting. It so we're not going to go full
• 1:26:09
  doomer. Yeah, again, this is all
• 1:26:12
  wonderful. Things and also I haven't yet
• 1:26:14
  heard like the I, it's not like I'm getting a message that like,
• 1:26:19
  oh, I'm seeing on Twitter that like a lot of people are
• 1:26:21
  quitting World of Warcraft and saying that like their dream job
• 1:26:23
  became their nightmare or something like it's not that I'm
• 1:26:26
  actually I, I am just like getting anxious because I'm
• 1:26:30
  looking at. This and I'm like this does not.
• 1:26:32
  Like the timing of this is not making sense in my head, but I'm
• 1:26:35
  not a developer. Everyone is seeming happy and so
• 1:26:40
  I'm dooming for nothing, right? Like I I I'm also not saying
• 1:26:43
  like anything inherently bad is happening.
• 1:26:45
  I have an anxiety because I have an anxiety disorder.
• 1:26:47
  So I have a lot of those. But if, if they can pull this
• 1:26:52
  off and everyone stays happy and they can keep content coming out
• 1:26:55
  at this level and they don't burn people out and people are
• 1:26:57
  able to go home to their families go crazy.
• 1:26:59
  I love it. I'm super excited.
• 1:27:03
  Eat your vegetables. What say you, Sean?
• 1:27:08
  I. Would.
• 1:27:09
  Like breathing room. But I am excited for the
• 1:27:13
  content. I love this game, I love the
• 1:27:15
  people who make this game, and I love the people that I spend my
• 1:27:18
  time with in this game and outside of the game like
• 1:27:21
  yourselves. So that's good.
• 1:27:25
  I just hope that everybody is being treated well that is
• 1:27:32
  involved in making this game, not just by the player base, but
• 1:27:35
  let's be honest, most of the time don't treat them very good.
• 1:27:38
  They're kind of shitty. But I also hope that in the
• 1:27:41
  workplace, they're getting the time they need, the relaxation
• 1:27:43
  they need, the the mental breaks they need to keep bringing us
• 1:27:46
  these this magical game that we've been enjoying for 30
• 1:27:49
  years. Well, 20 years this game, but 30
• 1:27:52
  years this franchise. Well, definitely in this case, I
• 1:27:56
  hope that Sean is. Right.
• 1:27:58
  And from here we will call it a day and we'll hopefully get more
• 1:28:04
  news about all the stuff coming. And we will cover that, of
• 1:28:07
  course, in the next episode of For Azeroth.
• 1:28:10
  But until that time, guys, may all your hits be quits.