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Weekly Dose of Fat Radio – Show #51 – Mike Herlinger of Club Ride · Full Spectrum Cycling

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  One, two. One, two. Is this shit on?
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  Weekly Dose of Fat, show number 51 for Friday, April 10th, 2015 [gentle music]
• 0:22
  Hey, hey. Two, two slippery nipples and a sex on the beach for my bros here. It's the spring break edition of the Weekly Dose of Fat. Woo. Woo-hoo. With your ready-to-travel-to-Tijuana hosts, Sven and Gomez.
• 0:39
  Aloha, spring breakers. Right on. Gomez is calling in from the Colonel Steve Austin testing facility in Westosha, but we're joined by JK Livin' in the studio, so we got that going for us. Which is nice.
• 0:54
  Surly makes rims and tires for fat bikes. They come in fat, fatter, fattest, and fattest-est. Roll on over for a visit at surlybikes.com. Right on. So what's happening on the show this week, JK?
• 1:10
  Our special guest is Mike Hurlinger from Club Ride. We delve into beer, listen to the beards, weekly dose of everything fat and puffett, and links from all over the interwebs,
• 1:25
  which brings us to the beer portion of today's broadcast. Yes. Sliding right in. Sure. This, uh, this week's beer is a nod to Chief Blackhawk. It's made by those folks down at Tyranena Brewing in Lake Mills, Wisconsin.
• 1:39
  And we also like the fact that Blackhawk is a part of another Wisconsin company, being Fixations Fat Bike. Yeah, let's pop 'em. Yep, crack 'em.
• 1:50
  [imitates glass clinking] What do you got out there in Westosha there, mister man? I'm drinking a, uh, Colin Dunkelweizen from, uh, Lakefront Brewery. Right on. My man, Colin. We haven't had Colin- Colin...
• 2:01
  we haven't had Colin call in for a while. Like to, like to hear from that guy. Well, I'm taking a swig of the Blackhawk. Yeah, that's pretty mellow for being a porter.
• 2:11
  [sighs] Porters always kind of scare me, 'cause- Oh, yeah... I know what they do to me. [laughs] Oh, yeah. It's got the, um- They start tasting good, and then all of a sudden- Mm-hmm...
• 2:19
  [sighs] It's got a little, um, m- m- m- m- coffee-ish [lips smacking] kind of thing going on maybe. Very good. Yeah, yeah. So- Not a, not a hint of apricot... no apricot in there. Anywhere, anywhere.
• 2:30
  Um, so it's an American porter. Yep, we did that. Uh, 5.6% ABV, so it's a session-style deal where hopefully you can have a couple more than your average porter, which might set you back a little bit.
• 2:43
  Then it nailed a very good with a Beer Advocate score of 86. Super. I forgot what Colin got. That w- it was a good Dunkelweizen. I remember liking drinking it. Yeah, yeah, and making a soup out of it. [laughs] Yeah.
• 2:57
  Oh, yeah. Had a beer cheese Colin stew. The girlfriend made a soup. [laughs] So beards are getting shorn, but, uh, what's up with everybody's beard? I'm still in the Fu Manchu. Yeah. Yeah. JK's rocking the Fu Manchu.
• 3:11
  I got my California haircut when I, uh, rolled through Sunnyvale, and J Rock said this about my beard. Dog, I wish it was some other shit I could do, but this shit's been trimmed tight, you understand? [laughs] So.
• 3:24
  A man of few words, but, uh, accurate I would imagine. Uh, yeah, I- So you're riding close to the skin with your face hairs? Is that what we're led to believe? Riding close to the skin.
• 3:34
  I'm trying to read the word picture you're painting for me. Yeah, your, your pictures are coming through the interwebs in such a nice fashion. Yep, just shorn down to- I mean-...
• 3:43
  so we'll keep going with the thinning of the, of the crop. How much clearer can we be than trimmed tight? Trimmed tight. I don't know. [laughs] Crystaller-er? [laughs] Yeah. So
• 3:59
  this week's beard and beer segment was sponsored by Uncle Dick's Bead Slip. You know he's getting his money's worth. Put a dip in the slip and work that bead mofo. Ooh. Learn more at uncledicksbikeshop.com.
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  We'll be right back with the founder of Club Ride, Mike Hurlinger. Mike is gonna share some tips for dressing on for the spring ride. You're tuned to Fat Bike Radio.
• 4:28
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• 4:44
  Learn more about Chumba's American-made Ursa, and coming soon, Ursa Major, at chumbausa.com. [upbeat music] Hey, fat bikers. This is Chris Daisy from Zion Cyclery.
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  Most of the time I listen to heavy metal, but sometimes I listen to Sven and Gomez on Fat Bike Radio. Interface complete.
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  Hey, please welcome to the show the founder of Club Ride Cycling Apparel, Mr. Mike Hurlinger. [laughs] I like, I like the intro. It, uh, it definitely makes me feel important. [laughs] "Welcome Mike Hurlinger."
• 5:32
  Well, thank you, guys. Thank you very much. Yeah. Yeah, welcome to the show, Mike. Glad you could, could make it. Uh, is it, is it spring springing out Idaho way yet?
• 5:42
  It, um, you know, it, it started to spring spring, but then, um, the spring went away and went back into winter a little bit. [laughs] It went twang. [laughs] Yeah, actually it... Yeah, twing. Twing.
• 5:54
  Actually had to, uh, to run over here 'cause I'm just a little chilly. Um, yeah, it's getting down to, you know, low 30s at nighttime, a little bit of snow still in the high mountains.
• 6:03
  But, um, yeah, it's, uh, it is definitely spring in the mountains right now, so it, it's cool. I like it. Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. Well, it...
• 6:11
  And that's kinda why we, we, uh, invited you onto the show, uh, to take us through the transition from winter to spring, spring to summer.
• 6:18
  Any of those transition seasons where you're getting a lot of, uh, fluctuation in temperature, and just how clothing choice can make your ride, you know, good or not so good. So, um- Yeah. Yeah...
• 6:28
  before we jump into that, though, um, just give our listeners a brief overview of Club Ride, just, just what the company's about, and then we'll get into a little bit about, uh, you know, your thoughts on, on clothing and season change.
• 6:41
  Sure. Cool. Um, so Club Ride started, I, I, I started the brand, um, in 2008 here in wonderful, beautiful Sun Valley, Idaho. Um, not Iowa, but Idaho. Uh-huh. Yeah, buddy. Um, and we, we sit at about 6,000 feet.
• 6:58
  The mountains go up to, I don't know, you know, 10 to 11,500 or something like that. So it's a super mountainous, northern rocky mountain terrain. Um, a really good inspiration for gear and, and clothing.
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  So the, the, the concept came up one night when I was going for a bike ride and, um, someone asked me if I wanted to grab a burger and a beer after my ride, and I was like, "Oh."
• 7:22
  You know, I was working at a bike shop then. I was like, you know, wearing this tight-fitting shop jersey, um, their sort of kit, quote, unquote. Right on. I was like, "You know..."
• 7:30
  You know, I went back in my closet and tried, you know, was putting on just a tech shirt so I was more comfortable sitting on a patio in an August sort of scenario, and, uh, I saw one of these old school party shirts, this rayon fun thing that I bought out in, I think, Hermosa in California, you know, back in the day, and I was like, "God, that would be really badass if I can go riding in that."
• 7:52
  And, um, from there the inspiration came. I was like, "You know, what, what would it take to make this into a riding shirt?"
• 7:57
  You know, it's really technical fabrics, breathability, wicking, quick dry, stretch, extra venting, pockets for storage, easy zips, things like that. So the inspiration was born, you know? Yeah.
• 8:09
  And, and I was look- I was looking around to see who else was doing anything like that.
• 8:13
  At the time in, in '08, there, you know, there was a couple, uh, clothing companies that were making cotton shirts that they were calling them, you know, cycling shirts. But it really wasn't what I had in mind.
• 8:25
  So, um, I went to Portland, got some fabric, took it back here, and started sewing some things up. And, uh, here we are today. Very cool. Your, your story, uh- Yeah...
• 8:35
  of your inspiration reminds me a little bit of, of back when I was on the road as a rep for a local, um, wholesale company.
• 8:41
  I used to go to the Goodwills and stuff and just find old disco shirts and stuff and cut the sleeves off or whatever, and they're like...
• 8:50
  You know, at least they kinda had some technical quality to them, but there was no way to reproduce them.
• 8:54
  So you kinda took that idea, put some style behind it with some good technical fabrics, and are reproducing it as a, you know, a great product, I think. I, I have several pieces of your gear. I love the stuff.
• 9:06
  [laughs] Well, thank you. Thank, thanks a lot. Yeah. I still go to Goodwill stores. I find, uh- [laughs] Good inspiration...
• 9:11
  I find, I find a lot of good inspiration, um, whether it's color or, you know, just retro patterns or col- you know, crazy looking collars.
• 9:20
  [laughs] Every now and then we, we do some pretty funky things in, in our clothing. Yeah. And, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's a good place to go. Well, and you can- And besides the recycling bit, it's, it's kinda cool.
• 9:30
  You can certainly see kinda the Sun Valley influence in the way your clothes look right now. I think that's a, a super look when you're, uh, when you're riding and, uh, you don't wanna look like a, a billboard.
• 9:40
  It's just super great. Yeah, you know, it's, it's interesting 'cause beyond... And I didn't really know that this was gonna happen, but beyond the technical performance, it really brings another level into riding.
• 9:52
  When you have, you know, this, this piece of lightweight, a nice fabric sort of just touching and not, you know, not overly flapping but, you know, flapping against your skin, it, it just brings another sort of, you know, sounds kinda strange, but another dimension into riding that, that is pretty cool, as opposed to the tight-fitting arm bands and, you know, the, the, the chest that's, like, pressed up against your...
• 10:12
  It's, um... Yeah, it, it just adds another coolness to the, uh, to the experience of the bike, so I, I dig it. Right. So in a lot of the country we're just coming out of the- You're like, you're like, "All right.
• 10:23
  What- whatever Mike says." [laughs] No, no. I, I, I totally feel what you're saying. Hold on. I totally feel what you're saying. I wanna interject something here. Go.
• 10:29
  I, I really like the fact that you've brought a true Western styling into some ride clothing. So, you know, we all wanna be cowboys. I wanna be a cowboy on my fat bike. [laughs] You, you have cowboys.
• 10:42
  You have, you have some cool cowboy shirts. Yeah. So. There's some dude back in... I, I think we went to a NATs down in Austin, and I don't know if it was English, Andrew Singleton or something like that.
• 10:52
  He, he wrote something up. He was like, "Hey, Club Ride's a new outfit for cowboys." I'm like, "Yeah, I'll take that." [laughs] You know? Yeah. I just- Oh, no. I don't know about that. Yeah. You know, um... Yeah.
• 11:04
  I, I dig the, uh, the Western look. You know? It's, it's part of the original inspiration. I think it's still... It's sort of lessened as we've grown over the years, um, but it's still there. Uh-huh.
• 11:16
  We do some pretty cool things, um, with that sort of... I don't know. Cowboy has this weird connotation. When you get out to Florida and SoCal and whatever, they're like, "Oh, we don't like cowboy stuff."
• 11:26
  The, the We're talking about the cool cowboys now. Yeah. Yeah. He kinda told me that. Yeah. He's wearing a leather picture. Not the, not the riding sleepy cowboys. You know? You know, the- Yeah.
• 11:34
  I'm not, I'm not talking 10-gallon hat, you know, here. [laughs] It's just, uh, it's just a style. I love my cowboy hat. [laughs] I want a cowboy hat helmet, actually. Yeah. But anyway. So that, so that's that.
• 11:45
  That's a little bit of the history and, and the kind of fun we get to have.
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  And I think the cool thing too is when we come up with new products and ideas and developments, we can go right outside our door and, you know, wintertime we can jump on a fat bike or even take a north ski or whatever, and go test out its breathability, its warmth, you know, factors, or in the summertime, you know, it...
• 12:05
  We have plenty of rides out here that you could spend 20 minutes to six hours. Just, um, seeing how things work. So it's, it's a good testing ground, too. Nice. Nice. Yeah.
• 12:16
  Yeah, a lot of places out here, we're just coming out of bundling up from winter cycling- Yeah... into the days where you have no damn idea what the hell the temperature's gonna be doing.
• 12:26
  So what kind of advice would you have for coping with these varying temperatures? Yeah. You know, I, I, I honestly think one of the most important pieces is your base layer.
• 12:38
  So I make sure that, you know, when I, when I go out anyway, I have and we make, um, a really nice base layer. Um, it really sets the stage on how everything else is, is going to work.
• 12:49
  So the base layer really isn't there to keep you warm per se, you know? It's, it's there to pull the moisture away from your body, um, and have it dispersed into the, the fabric.
• 13:01
  So if it's, you know, in our base layer, uh, called Link, it's a poly. We use, um, synthetic in our bases. So it's a, a polyester fabric that's hydrophilic, so it, it, it, it favors water and moisture.
• 13:14
  So it pulls it off of your skin and disperses it through the, um, the holes inside of the fabric itself, and then allows it to dry quickly. So, um, with that being said, it, it's keeping you kind of warmer inside.
• 13:26
  Wool does very similar, but it pulls it inside the actual core of the, the, uh, the yarn. Um, ours dries super quick. We also have it in, uh, the women's piece, uh, called the Henleyette as well.
• 13:38
  It's more of a Henley style. But I, I think a really good base layer is a nice place to start.
• 13:44
  You know, the, the second layer, um, depending on, you know, for me specifically, it really depends on the ride I'm going on or what I intend to go on.
• 13:53
  If it's just a one or two-hour mountain bike ride, I'm, I'm probably putting the Link, um, base layer on and then grabbing one of our Jack shirts. Um- Mm-hmm...
• 14:03
  and the cool thing about the Jack shirt, it's named after my son, which is cool. Yeah. It's a great son. Yeah, it's one of my favorites for sure- Um... is the Jack shirt. That thing is really versatile. I like it.
• 14:11
  It's cool. You know, it is really cool. It's a, um, again, it's 100% polyester, so it has a hollow core yarn, um, which means almost like a fiber optic cable.
• 14:21
  It, it, it holds heat inside the yarn itself, so it keeps you nice and warm and toasty. Um, it's a pretty casual fitting shirt. It is a flannel. Um, but then we do the- Lumbersexual [laughs] It is.
• 14:35
  Yeah, for the next couple years. In the next couple years, we'll say lumbersexual until that fades and then something else comes in. But, um, I think the general idea of flannels will be, be around for a long time.
• 14:44
  You bet. Um, on the Jack shirt itself, we do add, um, extra, like a venting mesh under the arms, so you're allowed to breathe nicely. Um, you get some airflow into that base layer so it will, um, dry it off quick.
• 14:58
  Um, and then there is a, a small storage pocket on the backside of the, as well. So, um, you know, besides the functionality of the fabric and the features on there, um, it's a great sort of casual two-hour riding piece.
• 15:12
  If I'm going big, maybe like s- you know, call it whatever, three and a half or something, four or five hours, um, most likely I would pick up one of our Razz shirts. Again, it's a synthetic.
• 15:23
  And the Razz, um, is a really cool, I call it a second layer on top of the, uh, the Link. Um, and it's really nice. It's made with our DrySlit knit fabric.
• 15:32
  It's, it's a mid-weight, three-quarters zip with a, um, a high neck so you can k- keep the cold air off your neck. Um, the really cool part about it is we did apply a,
• 15:44
  a brushed back to the, uh, backside of the fabric, so that's against, you know, towards your body. So it really creates almost like an air pocket between your base and the fabric itself. Mm-hmm.
• 15:55
  So that's where the, the warming area comes on. And if you're not wearing the, the base layer, it's right up against your skin and it's super nice and, and comfy.
• 16:03
  So- And obviously it has some back pockets for storage and then, uh, thumb loops and everything. So it's, it's a pretty cool piece.
• 16:08
  So would you consider that layer the one that, you know, when you get warmer, you're pulling that, that second layer off and putting the shirt back on?
• 16:16
  You know, typically what I'm doing is I'm always wearing my base layer.
• 16:20
  And I would take, I, I, if I'm understanding your question correctly, I would always keep my base layer on and then just pull off that second layer and put that in my, um, CamelBak or, um, my, my seat bag or something.
• 16:32
  Right, right. Very good. That's- I do keep my base layer on. Where do you stand on vest or jacket? Oh, I go jacket.
• 16:39
  You know, um, if, if I had one, if I was to say like I could take this or that, I would definitely bring a jacket.
• 16:46
  There's just too many times where the weather changes in a matter of moments, like you said, and I really want that arm protection.
• 16:52
  Um, you know, the vest is cool because it keeps your core, uh, it blocks the wind from hitting your core. And so I, I would choose, I would choose a jacket by, you know, w- without even thinking about it. Yeah.
• 17:04
  Um- You're, you're tough cold...
• 17:06
  you know, it's, it, it gets cold enough here, like in the mid-20s when we're out for a ride, that I would even go so far as to keep the vest underneath the, like our Crosswind jacket anyway, um, just to get a little bit more of that wind protection off of my, off of my chest.
• 17:20
  Yeah. I, I find a jacket really useful because a lot of times on our longer rides, we're not riding the entire time.
• 17:27
  We're putting in some miles and then we're having a beer or we're sitting around and jawing and looking at people's bikes or taking pictures or whatever, and having that extra protection from the jacket when you're not actually moving and working up some, some heat really makes it a lot more comfortable for me.
• 17:43
  Yes. I mean, it, it, you take a, you take a knife to a gunfight and you're gonna, you're gonna lose. [laughs] So if it's race day, you know, i- if it's race day, then by all means, you know, the vest is the way to go.
• 17:55
  Um, because you're just out there hammering and you have no time to think about, "Oh, holy cow, it's cold." [laughs] You know?
• 17:59
  But, you know, who rides like that on a day-to-day basis, you know, if you're not getting paid for it?
• 18:04
  So we're stopping, we're hanging out, we're fixing tires or whatever and, you know, we're chatting it up with our friends, waiting for people to, you know, show up.
• 18:13
  So you're, you're not riding, whatever, you're like 10 to 15% of the time, and that's when you get cold. And to try to warm up after that is a really hard task. Yep.
• 18:21
  So during race day I would bring a vest and wear that because obviously it stows nice and quick in your back pocket and you can roll it without dealing with sleeves falling, [laughs] you know, into your, into your chain or something.
• 18:32
  But, you know, for a typical just every day wear, the, a, a light weights.
• 18:38
  You know, and I typically go with, you know, around here anyway I typically go with just a DWR or WR-coated, uh, water-resistant jacket as opposed to a big laminated heavy piece, you know?
• 18:48
  And, you know, and I went to England this, uh, last couple months and the guys in, in, um, in Scotland were like, "Oh, bomber proof," you know? The more bomber the better. [laughs] But typically around here, you know...
• 19:02
  But their, I mean, their August is, you know, just raining every single day- Oh, yeah... and mud and, and stuff like that. So typically around here, um, might be a different story up in New England.
• 19:12
  There are some various places, you know, where, you know, up in DC or something. But, um, typically around here I'm, I'm just going, you know, coating my, you know, club ride.
• 19:22
  Um, it's, uh, the crosswind is, is kind of where I would go. So we've been talking quite a bit about what's up on top. What do you think about stuff down below, you know? Uh, keeping the knees warm and-
• 19:34
  Oh, I just let it hang out... anything else. [laughs] And the motors. [laughs] For Pete's sake. [laughs] Just go. Oh, it's whatever I can get my hands on. Um, you know, gosh, I, um,
• 19:47
  yeah, I, I'm a big fan of the knee warmers. Um, I'm not so worried about like, you know, the full leg deal.
• 19:55
  It, it, it just, it's, it's always been a weird, almost just the concept of it's been weird to me, the f- the, the leg warmer piece anyway.
• 20:01
  So I, I'm more of a knee warmer kind of guy, um, with a nice pair of wool socks and some, if, if it's cold enough, some winter, some winter boots.
• 20:09
  I mean, if it's, if it's bloody cold out then I'll, I would do something different. But, you know, I'm typically on, you know, like a 35, 42-degree
• 20:19
  start time I would, I would put on, um, you know, we have the half rack knicker, which is a, a three-quarter length short if you will, or, or a true knicker, and put a pair of, um, a thermal or brush back, uh, knee warmers on and, uh, and call it good.
• 20:37
  If it's, if it's super cold and like early 30s or if it's snow bike time, um, I would look at something like our rail pants.
• 20:43
  Um, in '16, this coming up winter, we're, um, 15, 16 fall, winter we have a really cool, um, call it w- whatever, it's a fat bike specific or just- [laughs]...
• 20:55
  more of a Sun Valley inspired- Are those clothes for fat bikers? [laughs]... um, soft shell pant called the fat, called the Fat Jack, and, um, that, it's a pretty cool pant.
• 21:02
  I, I've had some guys test it during both just your regular everyday fat biking events as well as some, some fat bike races that, that happen around here and, um, over in Driggs, near Targhee Ida, um, Wyoming.
• 21:17
  Yeah, it sounds cool. So we have some cool things going on there, but I'm a big, I'm a big, uh, knicker fan when it comes to the winter riding as long as the temp is, is manageable.
• 21:25
  And I say, I say manageable- Manageable... but then a guy, a guy in SoCal's like, "70?" [laughs] You know? But, um,
• 21:31
  yeah, I- Do you, uh, do you do the, the embrocation to keep your, to keep your loins warm in the springtime? You ever heard of the embrocation? You know, I, I, I ha- I haven't. Um, you know, and
• 21:47
  if, if I hear you correctly, I typically go with, you know, you know, on top of one of our chamois of course, on top of a club ride chamois, um, which I have a lot. [laughs] Only have a lot to choose from.
• 21:58
  No, we're not talking Gooch winter, we're talking about like a warming cream. Yeah, yeah, I don't think you want that stuff near your nether regions. Oh, no, no, no, no. I, I, I would- What else? We got any lube?
• 22:06
  Like at this point even olive oil would help me get that drawer unstuck. I would probably- You put that on a chamois? Oh my God, that would be bad...
• 22:16
  I would, I would touch my eyeball after that and like fall down and hurt myself. No, I, uh, I try to, I try to keep warming creams away from, uh- [laughs]...
• 22:25
  um, that area unless, unless it's some near silk sheets or something like that. Yep. Then it's okay. Right on. All right, forget I even mentioned any warming creams.
• 22:34
  [laughs] But that could be a whole segment maybe I, I guess, you know? Actually, yeah. Maybe, men's embrocation. Maybe in fall- Yeah... when we're thinking about it's gonna be cold out, boys.
• 22:45
  Time to- It's an all Jackass episode. [laughs] A weekly dose of that. Yeah. Well, we could, uh- Gooch could put it on The Gooch... maybe we could do a little testing out at, um, Sea Otter.
• 22:54
  I know you guys are gonna be out there, and, uh, I see Gomez has- Yeah... scheduled a little time with you guys to talk about some, some stuff that's happening, so we'll see you in about a week- Yeah, yeah...
• 23:04
  and maybe we'll just, uh, slap a little embrocation on and give it a go. [laughs] We'll slap, we'll slap- Bring, bring, bring both cameras... some embrocation on. Let's, what happens at Sea Otter stays at Sea Otter. Yes.
• 23:14
  And Ben will shop for his spring wardrobe. Yeah, buddy. All right. Yeah, bring some with you so I can try it out. I'm gonna, I'm gonna Google it as soon as I hang up here- [laughs]... if I can spell it correctly.
• 23:23
  Um, [laughs] and, uh, yeah, I, I don't know if I'm gonna be horrified or pleasantly surprised. Oh. No, I, I think that, I think that maybe, you know, you, it's not, it's not the filthy dirty thing.
• 23:36
  It's, it's a real, it's a real thing- It's a real thing... people use to, uh, to stay warm and warm their muscles up before. It's a big cross thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. And it comes, it's, it's just like hot sauce.
• 23:47
  It comes, [laughs] it goes- Is it like Taba- is it like Tabasco or, um- The sensation... something like that? For like muscles or- From like super fiery to just nice and calm. [laughs] You know what I heard about cross?
• 23:59
  I heard that's a fad. Do you think, do you think cyclocross is a fad? No. [laughs] No way. No.
• 24:07
  But it's had, in, in my cycling lifetime it has had two major peaks Um, you know, so in the very late '80s it was huge, and then it kinda died back a little bit, and then after the fixed gear kids kinda like found it, it has blown up huge again.
• 24:26
  You bet. And I don't know what it's gonna do. It's an interesting deal. I think it's a really cool extension to the riding season, as is fat biking. I, I, I do think it's here to stay.
• 24:37
  You know, I, I see a lot of- Oh, yeah, man...
• 24:40
  road, road cycle, you know, a lot of road cyclists have sort of transferred their quiver over to a cyclocross 'cause the, you know, the endurance and the skill set, um, i- is transferable.
• 24:51
  It's just a little agility added to that and they're pretty badass cyclocross racers.
• 24:57
  I, I think it's a, I think it's a, with the amount of roadies that are out there, I think cyclocross is just, it's gonna, it's gonna go off and, or continue to go off.
• 25:04
  You know, it might, like everything in this industry, it goes up and goes down. But, um, yeah, I, I think it's around, especially with disc brakes.
• 25:12
  I mean, there's, you know, every time these manufacturers come up with something new and cool, whether it's, you know, a 650B now, which is now 27 and a half or whatever the new terminology is- Oh, B+ we like...
• 25:22
  that, that's, that's, that's of today's world. Um, you know, it just really rejuvenates and gets everyone back inspired, and long travel bikes are actually peddleable, you know? It's like that's- Yeah...
• 25:34
  why the Enduro scene is just kicking butt right now, because you can pedal a six-inch travel bike now, whereas before it was full downhill. Right.
• 25:41
  So it's, you know, there's some really cool things that are happening in the industry, and it's fun to be part of. It's, it's, I'm so stoked to be, you know, doing what I do. And, um- Us too, dude Yep...
• 25:52
  we, we totally are right there with you. We love what you do too. We love it. So keep doing it, man. Well, the answer is no. [laughs] It's not a fad. [laughs] But thank you. No, I appreciate the, um, [laughs]
• 26:02
  did I ever say that? Um- Mm-hmm... yeah, I, I appreciate the opportunity to, uh, to be on your show and to talk to you guys.
• 26:09
  And Gomez, I'll see you in, I don't know, seven days maybe in, um- Something like that, yeah, man... yeah. We'll see you out there... continue the, uh, the warming, uh, conversation at that point. Very good.
• 26:19
  Thanks for being on the show, Mike. Right on. Hey, thanks, guys. We'll see ya. Cheers. You're tuned to Fat Bike Radio. You're about to get your weekly dose of Fat Bike Radio. Welcome back to the radio program.
• 26:36
  Here's Sven with this week's news and views from the wide world of fatness. Also known as the weekly dose of fat. Fatness. Fat.
• 26:49
  So JK, after borrowing a few fat bikes over the past few years, you're now the owner of a- Owner... actual fat bike. How does that feel? Very, very surreal, and F-ing awesome is what.
• 27:02
  [laughs] Kim said you were, like, riding all over everywhere just to have an- Yeah... excuse to keep- Exactly... going on it. I'm just going and going around. I'm like, "Oh, where is everybody?
• 27:12
  Are you doing anything now? I know it's windy, but I don't care. Let's all go places. I don't care." But yeah, it's been a little, uh, rainy and misty and London foggy town weathery around here. Yep, non-traily.
• 27:26
  But yeah, I w- I somehow wanna just at least hit a little bit of them, but I don't want to damage- Well-... because then that's- Yeah... that's bad form. Bad form. You don't do that. Uh- But this weekend...
• 27:41
  [tongue clicks] Beach ride action. Oh, oh, oh, oh. There'll be a link to this in the show notes a little bit further down the list, but that's the, uh, the Big Fish. Big Fish Beach Ride- Yeah... through Zion.
• 27:51
  In Zion, Illinois, with Chris Daisy and the, uh, the, the fats, fast, [laughs] fast kids from Zion Cyclery. Those fats, fats. [laughs] Chris has been working on some music and sending us a few samples.
• 28:06
  Gomez, you got, you got to hear some of those chops. We're gonna go down and invade his basement and, uh, twist his knobs a little bit. Um, Gomez may or may not, cannot confirm or deny anything in Zion, Illinois.
• 28:23
  [laughs] I'm gonna be there, so yeah. Speak directly into this flower. But that sounded a lot like a confirmation rather- I didn't-... than a denial... the devot-
• 28:31
  Now just say yes if the dolphins are in the jacuzzi, and then we'll know that you're in trouble. [laughs] You guys- So yeah, the, the, the Big Fish.
• 28:43
  Do you remember that time we went for a ride, and this was somewhere around Port Washington, and we saw a big salmon probably spawning or, or dying, and he was swimming along and we were riding along, and what did fricking Zeno do?
• 29:01
  [laughs] What would Zeno do? He all stopped. Jump off of it? [laughs] He all stopped, and the more, and the more neanderthal of us fucking chucked rocks at that fish until it, like, jumped out of the water.
• 29:14
  Do you remember this? I remember the fish jumping out of the water. I don't remember said stone-throwing to make fish perform. I mean, you know- I thought there was gonna be a- I'll tell you this...
• 29:22
  I thought there was gonna be a bunny hop involved at least. [laughs] Well, you know they've got the, the SeaWorld controversy. This at least is a fish out in the wild, so I don't know. We'll have PETA on us- [laughs]...
• 29:35
  but I swear. But they're- I mean, they're-... salmon are delicious fish Yeah, salmon are not pets either. All right. They're not pets. Like, all right, you 10-year-old. [laughs] Stop chucking rocks at the nature.
• 29:44
  Let nature just spawn. Don't throw rocks at nature. For God's sake. Ah. [laughs] Yeah, yeah. Wait until it gets to, all the way to the grocery store, and then we'll fry it up and bake and burn its flesh.
• 29:58
  Yeah, but the salmon that come, the salmon that come out of the Great Lakes, you can't eat the meat in the bottom 'cause that's where the mercury [laughs] and the lead settle- Well, that's only if you're pregnant...
• 30:08
  into the fat, into their belly fat. [laughs] Oh, that's only if you're pregnant. Or weak. Mercury's great for you normally. Yeah, normally it's pretty good for you. But you don't wanna eat- It'll turn you into an X-Man.
• 30:17
  Yeah. And then- [laughs] You'll be as fast as Mercury. Mm-hmm. Or- You'll be worth to die Classical civilization major coming back into play. [laughs] So Gomez- All right...
• 30:33
  you and Sven are heading out to Sea Otter next week. It's become kind of the spring version of the bike industry trade show, and we are expecting to see a few new things. Gomez, Gomez- Yeah?...
• 30:47
  can we give our listeners a, you know, a little sneak peek, you know? Come on. I, I'm afraid all information is verboten. [laughs] No, actually, like, like, yeah, it, it's a big surprise. Big surprise to us.
• 31:01
  It's a big surprise party. Some of it's even a big surprise to us. Yeah. They're giant webbed foot weasels that float around in the kelp and eat shellfish like, like things.
• 31:11
  Like the Cloverfield monster [laughs] And pat on their tummies, like a little tune, like, "Ah." S- S roar. S roar. Oh. If I believed in reincarnation, coming back as a sea otter might not be a bad gig.
• 31:24
  Until that eagle comes by and snags you out of the water. Oh, I had a very interesting conversation- I suppose. I should know... [laughs] with an 80- All you can eat, all you can eat raw bar all the time. Oh, yeah...
• 31:37
  with kelp, with like kelp to keep you regular. They must be- Be a beautiful life... they must be pretty frisky with the women with all those, uh, shellfish. Exactly. Abalone. Don't, don't be shell- Abalone...
• 31:48
  please don't be shellfish. [fake cries] Well, all right. Gomez, you and Sven are heading out there. Yeah. Oh, I already said those words. We're, we're, we're going there. [laughs] We're going there. Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:03
  In an airplane. Well, let, let me put it to you this way. If, if you're gonna, uh, learn about anything new from Sea Otter, you should be checking out the website next week, 'cause we got s- some stuff planned for y'all.
• 32:15
  Yeah. Yeah. We, we have, we have cool stuff. We- You're gonna be like, "Whoa"... is it gonna be, like, stuff for this, like, new fad called fat biking that I just, uh, made my purchase into? Yeah.
• 32:27
  And it, it's not- No, I-... just, like, little niche market. You, it's a niche market. Niche. Niche. Yeah. You know what we're gonna do? It's not niche market.
• 32:34
  We're gonna, okay, we're gonna introduce stuff that's gonna make the bike that you just bought completely obsolete. [laughs] That's what I was waiting for. That's all you had to say. It's, it shall never be obsolete.
• 32:49
  So, uh, moving right along. Moving right along. Moving right along.
• 32:53
  [sings] Well, we always give a shout-out to some of the folks who post fat bike goodness each week in the links section, and we'll get to that in just a minute, but this week, I think one really stands out from super poster Bruce the Coastkid.
• 33:10
  Uh, he lives in an area out there in Scotland. We just unfortunately had to kind of back off of our trip to Scotland this time due to our seal, or, like, uh, obligations. Oh, yeah. Right, Foster.
• 33:23
  But, uh, they've got a bunch of bramble, and thorns, and hawthorns, and buckthorns, and, and the, the main thing here is thorns, and, and they've got a lot of, uh, problem with punctures.
• 33:30
  And, and Bruce has been trying a bunch of different tubeless setups over the years, and this new story is a tale of how these things are working out for him, and I think it's definitely worth checking out.
• 33:40
  Um, we're fortunate in our area not to have too much in that realm, but I know there's a lot of areas of the country where pokey things are bad. And Mr. Tuffy liners are available, too.
• 33:53
  Have you ever, uh, have you ever talked to Julio.com about how he makes his own sealant? [laughs] I've heard, I've heard secondhand how he makes his own sealant. That doesn't sound right. [laughs] I'm just saying.
• 34:07
  Well, it's probably a good idea. Does he have a lot of problem with, uh, thorns where he is? Buckthorn probably. That's kind of an invasive species down that way. He's 100% homegrown tubeless. Oh.
• 34:21
  29 plus- And tubeless... E plus, 26 plus. You know who ought to get on the tubeless plan? Bubba. I think- 'Cause that guy gets more flats than anybody I know... Bubba ruin the ride. Bubba ruin the ride.
• 34:32
  Bubba ruin the ride. Monster Quass. That too. Right. So what do we got in links- Right... here this week, Deray?
• 34:40
  Our buddy Eric Parsons interviewed John Lackey and Carol Oney about the ITI, as only Eric Parsons can do, 'cause he's a cool cat of cats- That's-... that are cool... gotta be a good read right there.
• 34:54
  And then our buddy Josh Spice from way back when, from the, from the very beginning of, of thatbike.com. Yeah, he was one of our- Josh Spice... one of our first, uh, contributing authors, I believe. Yeah.
• 35:07
  He went and took a trip up to the, uh, Nick Glacier and went through mud and bramble, and then there's just some beautiful blue ice photos. He's a talented guy.
• 35:17
  He's, he's, he's the real deal, and he's from Wisconsin, dude. Yeah, he is. Green Bay. And, uh- Green Bay... speaking of that [bell rings] Yeah. Beer stop. Beer stop. Top of the hill.
• 35:29
  Yep, with Green Bay, with the Green Bay in there. Let's go. Ooh. Ooh. Look at my legs. My liver was waiting. [laughs] You goddamn kids, get off of my lawn. Bring me more tequila. Check, check, yo check. So yep, yep, yep.
• 35:44
  There's some other s- other links in here. More good stuff happening. Link to that Big Fish Beach ride down there in Zion if you wanna join us down in that area on that day, this Sunday.
• 35:55
  Yeah, come ride bikes with us for fun. Maybe. [laughs] You can check out some club ride apparel. Somebody'll be wearing some, I would imagine. And then- Then...
• 36:05
  we wanted to highlight the 20 things men with beards are sick of hearing. Oh, yeah. There's 20 things that men with beards are sick of hearing. Yeah. Well- What... Give me one. Give me one quick one.
• 36:20
  Well, the one is if I have to show my driver's license, 'cause my driver's license, I have a bald head and bald face.
• 36:26
  I'll be honest with you, when I was looking at going to Scotland and I had to get my passport back- I thought, "Well, am I gonna have to shave my beard off 'cause they're gonna think that's not the same guy- Right...
• 36:35
  or a terrorist or something?" And I'm just like, "Well, I don't wanna shave my beard off in the middle of winter, so- It's like, yeah... I might have to forget-" Here's what I'm thinking here.
• 36:44
  Here's what I'm thinking here is- This is a good answer... who the hell is your jihad against, buster? [laughs] Oh. I don't get that that much. Yeah, I have no jihad.
• 36:55
  [laughs] Well, actually, I do, but- I, I got a guy head, but oh, you do have a personal Todd jihad. Yes, I do. [laughs] I do have- Todd jihad I do- Todd, Todd, Todd jihad. I do have a little, my g- my grudges.
• 37:08
  A jihad is not a grudge. A jihad is- Well, this is a-... different than that [laughs] Yeah. Well, this is a big... Well, yeah. Normally, I just have mini grudges and then this one has become a little more- Almost jihadi.
• 37:17
  Yes. [laughs] And now the time has come for us to thank Surly for sponsoring the radio portion of today's broadcast. Surly and the letter H and the letter J. Because they're not in- Their numbers, I guess...
• 37:32
  anything in their web address, which would be surlybikes.com. Surlybikes.com. Well, we've managed to waste another good portion of your fine workday sitting in your cubicle when you could be out riding your bike.
• 37:49
  Thanks, everybody. Get on your bikes and ride. You've been listening to Fat Bike Radio's Weekly Dose of Fat. [upbeat music] Find us on the web at fat-bike.com/radio.
• 38:06
  We'll see you next time.
• 38:08
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