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Lazio-Roma Derby Post-Game Recap - Ep. 206 Ft. Steve from Chiesa di Totti · The Calcio Guys

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  Ninety minutes of not so much entertainment in Rome yesterday ninety minutes or less of
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  more entertainment today on the couch of guys Idiano Johnny, I'm Nicholas uh with
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  Steve Chavillo back on. It's been a while Steve from Quiazo de Tati and
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  Nixon Picks podcast. I forgot to mention that on Twitter, so two places
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  you can check him out. But Seeve, how's it going. It's go
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  well, thanks for having me back on. I'm glad to come on and
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  talk with you guys. Yeah, you know, not the most exciting derby
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  to talk about, but I'm sure we'll find something to talk about with roman
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  zoce and to talk about what with Marino there? And yeah, you upset
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  Nick by not attagging Kicks and Picks in the tweets, so I always have
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  to give kicks and Picks a shout out. Yeah, exactly did you have
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  any I got asked did you have any predictions for this derby? Before going
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  going in? Nick felt like it was going to go over the two and
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  a half goal line, which is usually what they projects. He thought that
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  both kind of would throw cautions to win because they didn't have much to lose.
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  I kind of saw it more as what it was going what it turned
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  out to me, which was they were going to play conservative and then if
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  someone scored early, maybe we'd get some goals. But unfortunately it was lower
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  than even I thought. I didn't think we get at zero zero. I
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  thought we'd get at least a goal or two. Well, I mean we
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  did get the goal early, but Pisante was offside, so I mean we
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  could yeah. I mean with Frick Carstorp, did he have three shots all
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  season before this match and he had three in the first like fifteen minutes.
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  I forgot he was still on the roster. Steve, I didn't really see
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  that should have been one of the picks we were like over on that last
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  last time. It was zero zero when the derby was April twenty eighteen,
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  by the way, so over five years. But I think I think everyone
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  was expecting someone of a draw. I think even like on our Instagram account,
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  I always post, you know, the polls for predictions for the game.
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  I even put a draw, So I think that was pretty much expected.
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  I mean, both teams are similar close enough in the standings this year.
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  But yeah, besides this lot goal, Like, what did you have
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  to make of the game, Steve, I think from a Roman perspective,
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  you know, I thought they played pretty well defensively. I was happy the
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  way they came out the first fifteen to twenty minutes because they kind of dictated
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  play a little bit. We mentioned the Carsdorp shots that Chris Dante put that
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  rebounding off side, but Roma seemed to have a pretty good foothold early and
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  then it kind of just turned around where Lazio had at the rest of the
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  first half and rob was playing more defensive. Kind of expected Mourinho to play
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  a fair compact defensive match and try to hit on the counter attack. You
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  know, you had Dibala and lu Kaku back, So having only one shot
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  on target I think was the most disappointing part of it, because when Rick
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  carzokis only shot on target in the first ten to fifteen minutes of the match,
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  you obviously didn't produce enough to kind of warrant a win. I don't
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  think Lasio did enough to win either, although they came a little closer on
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  that shot I think was fully b Anderson curled it off the post. That
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  was a close one, you know, Alberto had a great chance that he
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  put over the top, that he put himself in a great position. But
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  I mean, you look at the XG. I'm looking at Sofa score,
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  Roma's xu Zo point four to four Lazio's point four to one, both teams
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  with less than half a goal expected. Kind of speaks to the way the
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  match played out, which was I think looking at the table right, both
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  teams are like, we can't afford to lose his matches, grades would be
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  to win and kind of build that momentum. I think going into international break,
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  I think they were both more a little bit worried about losing it than
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  they were motivated to win it. And I think that happens a lot in
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  Derby's actually when the two teams both are struggling, right, if one had
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  come in maybe in the top four, maybe that team plays it more aggressively
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  because they have kind of a little leeway for margin for air or so to
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  speak. But I think with Roma sitting in seventh pre match and Latio tenth
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  on just seventeen sixteen points, the margin for air wasn't there for both teams.
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  But the disappointing part for me was heading into the match. Milan had
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  dropped Pointsnopoly had drop points, Atlanta had dropped points. Even Bologna, who
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  was ahead of them in the table, had dropped points to Fiorentina, and
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  Roma could have been as high as fifth after the match. They pulled it
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  out, But I again looking at the Sands only three points off Anopoly in
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  fourth place, So I guess not the end of the world to get a
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  point out of it. I think it would have been more demoralizing, so
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  to speak, if they had lost this match shann like a late goal or
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  something. Do you think probably the over defensive play by both teams was probably
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  related to the comments or the little spat between Sadi and what do you you
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  know pre game, like you know, pri Dyslavia Praja game where Sadi makes
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  those comments. You know, do you think maybe this time around, like
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  Sadi's like, okay, well Whatadino could come back at me and bite me
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  in the ass with this, Maybe I should probably play a bit more out
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  of character. It could be. I mean, I think from a Marinal
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  perspective, this has kind of been his mL since he's been in Rome.
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  He knows he has to win defensively. There is more attacking talent on the
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  team this year with Lukaku joining Dibala, and Dibaala was back and fully fit,
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  so you would hope for a little more of a push from Roma,
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  which you didn't get. I think, you know, Sadi, I think
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  what they're having trouble with this year. And I haven't watched nearly as many
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  Latio matches I have ROM matches. They're just not scoring this year like you
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  expect to Saudi led team to score, and the way Latio has played even
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  before that under in Zagi, thirteen goals, score thirteen and seeded is very
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  surprising for me from a Lattio perspective. You know, they had the second
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  or third best defense in the league I think last year, but they were
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  also scoring goals. Issue was scoring goals for the past season and maybe even
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  then some going back the season before, even when Tammy was in better form.
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  I mean, they have twenty two goals scored Roma, but seven of
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  those game against Empolie, so it's kind of inflated a little bit from one
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  match. So I think both teams have struggled at times to score goals,
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  and I think I think both were just being cautious not to lose this match,
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  and I'm curious to see what happens with lat too, because you know,
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  Cheeto's scoring here and there, but not like he was in Voluntar.
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  I think they do miss Milinki with Savage being able to score from the midfield,
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  that threat that he, you know, always provided them and even I
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  remember him scoring a nice header and a derby, you know, like in
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  the run of play. So I think they're missing that aspect of their attack.
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  And I think they're with Cheeto getting older and not having that and then
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  Za Kanye being out yesterday, I think they're they're having trouble finding ways to
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  really create those goals, especially against a team like Roma that wants to sit
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  back and defend. But then again, from the Roman perspective, if you're
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  going to play on the counter attack, you have to push a little bit
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  more. I think when you're I didn't see enough going forward. Lukaku wasn't
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  really involved enough, Debal didn't have his best match. He even got pulled
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  with about ten minutes left, which is when you're in a zero zero you
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  don't expect to see that too often. But I would have thought you would
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  have seen a little bit more push from either spinutal or cars door. Maybe
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  not to put yourself in a bad position getting back defensively, but I would
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  have liked to see a little bit more going forward from them. I mean,
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  they're playing three three center backs and then you have a double pivot of
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  Prise Dante and is playing fairly defensively. It didn't leave much going forward even
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  on the counter attack. Is that a Is that a disappointing thing? Because
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  like I again, see I love your point because I was going to mention
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  it, you know before if you didn't. But the you know, both
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  teams playing to not lose instead of to win. I really want to emphasize
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  that point because I think that's pretty much what we saw and is there being
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  maybe it's just what it's it is for these two teams. The Roman teams
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  this year haven't been what is maybe expected is not being able to like you're
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  going off to your point of like the counter attack if you want to play
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  that game and not really producing anything. Is that Is that just players being
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  off? Is that like a toctics thing, like where like where do you
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  kind of like lie with with all that? I think it's, you know,
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  part the tactics. I think it's part of the midfield absences too.
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  Like PELAGREENI didn't feature at all. Yes, he was coming back from injury.
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  I think he was honestly there more for moral support than anything. I
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  know he's back in training, but he's only back for like a day or
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  two, right though, Sanchez, maybe bringing him on earlier might have been
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  useful. I know he's only been back about a week from an injury,
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  but maybe he's the guy that could have pushed the midfield forward a little bit
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  more. Driven the ball forward in the midfield and freedom de bal Lukaku,
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  I don't know. I mean Spinatola can can do it. And you know
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  most of the most of the pressure went through the left side. Yes,
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  I'm sure if we looked at heat maps, he'd be the one much higher
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  up the pitch than Carstorp for the most part. But I think they're almost
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  a little too one dimensional when they're on the counter attack, right, they
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  don't have that option. If you had Sanchez or somebody to push the ball
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  in midfield, I think then maybe a freeze spin us a little bit more
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  on the left and then you have that other option in the center. Cars
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  are being pushed the ball himself. I don't know if he was instructed not
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  to be so aggressive because they wanted to attack down their own left side Latio's
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  right. I think Zati was playing on the right side over there. I
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  don't know if that was intentional, but I mean, when you're playing three
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  center backs, it doesn't leave you many options pushing forward if you're not controlling
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  possession enough. I think it's part tactics, part players. You know,
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  it's kind of when you have Lukaku and Dibal though, like I understood last
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  year when Tammy was really struggling, it was it was hard to get things
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  going on the counter. He's not a hold up striker kind of player like
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  Lukaku is, but I mean you got to get him the ball more.
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  I mean he got the ball in space like once or twice where he was
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  able to really use his physicality. I mean I thought going in, I
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  thought with Casalleau, I thought the matchup with Patrick and Romagnoli, physically,
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  he was, you know, in a good position against those two players because
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  he is he is a to try to stop if you're not a physical center
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  back. So I think in part its tactics, in part it's the players,
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  But with that, you know, bona fide striker this year and no
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  knock on tam because two years ago had a great year, but last year
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  he really struggled. Like having Lukaku in form because he's been really good since
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  he's come over, having Dibala back who can provide the ball for him.
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  I would have expected a little more attacking impetus from this team this year than
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  we've seen it. And maybe it is the midfield it injuries because with pedischissant
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  dan Bov it's they're not like the attacking midfield types, right, we didn't
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  see how are in this match. Sanche is very little, like I said
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  Pelgreenney, I guess not fit enough to even feature ten to fifteen minutes.
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  Maybe that changes the dynamic a little bit in the midfield and pushing forward on
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  the counter or just trying to dictate possession. But yeah, it gets it
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  gets a little bit stale. Sometimes it gets a little hard to watch.
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  I know in the end, Roman of controlling fifty and forty nine possession,
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  I think that just g's more to the match being one of those fifty to
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  fifty matches where neither team really did enough to win. Do you think maybe
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  using an alternative option like El Schawari in the mid would have been a difference
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  maker in this game itself. I felt like as if the game kind of
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  lacked him a bit, especially how he's he is, Like, I know,
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  he's not an hole Ministere product or Roman product, but he's really involved
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  with the team. He really loves the team and you know, loves the
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  city. And you think maybe, obviously you know you're playing in the derby,
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  he might have had that a little bit of an extra drive, do
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  you. I know it's all hypothetical and it's kind of a like weird question
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  to ask, but you think maybe, like in staid looking for a pure
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  midfielder, trying something out like that might have made a difference. Yeah,
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  it could have. Maybe you dropped the ball a little a little deeper to
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  receive the ball. And he plays almost as the second striker, I think
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  is an option. I know he's played out wide its Spinot Sole spot when
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  spinat Sol has been out, but I do think he gives a different element,
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  right he has that he can kind of create his own shot at times.
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  He and he No, he's not a Roma product in terms of like
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  youth academy, but he's with the club so long now that early in his
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  career, year of associated him always with Milan, but now I think at
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  this point his career you associate him with Roma. He had that little little
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  sojourn to China for the money or whatever it was, for like eighteen months,
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  and he found his way back because he missed it, and I think
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  that speaks to the attachment he now has with the club and with the city.
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  I do think he could have played a role. He wouldn't see him
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  at all. I mean we didn't see Marina waited until I'm going to double
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  check, but it was then eighty second minute before he made his first subs,
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  which was a little surprising to me in some ways because I'm like,
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  you're sitting there and you're like, okay, maybe he's trying to They're they're
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  doing all right right now. I mean in the second half, they did
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  have a little bit more possession, they had a little bit more going forward,
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  but there still wasn't enough going forward. So he didn't really make a
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  sub until Bobe had that cramp. I think he had about a calf cramp
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  when he reached for a ball in the box as he was trying to lay
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  one off to Dibala. You saw os Moon and Sanchez come on then for
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  Debala and Bobe, and then it was just Celick and Christiansen in eighty six
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  and nineteth minutes. Those guys aren't attacking options really right there. They are
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  two fullbacks that haven't really done anything attacking this year. So to not bring
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  in el Ferrari, Belotti, even al war In the midfielder, even Zeleski
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  is one of the wing backs I think spoke to. They got to the
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  point where Marino I think was almost playing a conservative toward the end because he
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  didn't throw on another attacking option or a midfielder who could attack other than than
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  the Sanchez move. So in that sense, I think even Elcherri off the
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  bench for the last fifteen to twenty twenty five minutes or something maybe could have
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  had could have been like a little bit of a spark plug, you know,
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  when you're in a zero zero. I'm not saying to throw caution to
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  the win because you don't want to go and give up a goal the other
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  way, but I think throwing on one or two guys who can maybe make
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  a difference attacking could have been could have been useful at least to try to
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  win the match. Late before before the match, there was a lot of
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  talk between the two coaches, you know, one giving a chab but the
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  other and the other one coming back. You know, obviously Mourinho and Sary
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  they're known to talk in the media, they're known to step up and you
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  know, take the heat for anything. What did you make of that?
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  Do you think this was just classic Derby or do you think this was a
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  strategy pretty much on both sides. It kind of just takes some heat off,
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  take some heat off the players, I think a little bit from Sadie's
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  point of me, he's the one who started it right talking about oh,
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  you know because marinhos I guess said something about the schedule having to play a
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  Thursday and then a Sunday, and Sadi called it a friendly, and you
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  know Marinho said, well that the reason I have twenty i know, twenty
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  six whatever trophies it is is because I don't take everything as a friendly,
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  right. I don't take the Europa League as a friendly because it's as requen
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  trophies and Rome almost won it last year, right, And he didn't take
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  the Conference League as a friendly, which a lot of people maybe early on
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  wanted him to do and kind of toss that competition two years ago. So
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  I think Marinho had the perfect comeback. In my opinion, it's not just
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  because I'm a Roman East. I just think if you're going to call things
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  friendlies, then the guy who's got the trophies has to say there. But
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  I do think with Saudi trying to maybe take some of the maybe play a
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  little bit of those Derby mind games, right, and that was Marinho coming
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  back at him at the end. They had a nice laugh and a handshake
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  together. So I don't think there's any like hard feelings. I think they
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  both know the game. They both know how you you play the game right
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  and get your players motivated and maybe get in the other team's head a little
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  bit. I don't think there's more to it than that. And Marinho and
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  Sadie, like you said, they both like to take a nice little jab
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  in the press and and kind of start the pot of it, so to
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  speak. They respect each other. They respect each other. I saw another
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  quote you know saying I don't know if I think it was Sadi or was
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  a Mourino, I don't remember which one it was, you know, telling
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  saying that the other one is just a ball buster, you know, but
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  obviously there's neutual respect there, right, So I love them or hate them,
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  you know, I think that I like that, you know, there
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  is that respect there and like they didn't really obviously they've been out line this
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  in the media before. I think I don't know if that will ever go
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  away for these two types of coaches, especially Mourinho. But you know,
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  I kind of like that they kind of came to a meeting ground, like
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  a middle ground and and uh, you know, respect each other and not
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  they didn't make it more than what it really should have been. What should
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  have been is a better performance on the pitch. You know, I'm always
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  in my eyes, so it's unfortunate we had we didn't see that. I
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  feel like it. I don't know if I feel like these are these uh,
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  these Roman derbies lately haven't been what they've should have been. Steve.
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  I don't know if that is it is fair to say, because I don't
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  remember the last one that was really like, you know, you wake up
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  and it's like, Okay, I'm gonna watch this there be and it's gonna
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  be like action packed, you know. So I don't know if I'm wrong
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  saying that, but you can definitely correct me if I'm wrong. But the
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  last three well zero zero last year was one nothing each time for Lazio.
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  In the twenty twenty two season, uh Romo won the second one, three
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  nothing. Before that in September twenty twenty one it was three two Latsios.
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  So that's probably my last good yeah, And I agree, like I always
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  think up for the derby rights as a fan of a team, if you
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  have a derby match, you're going to get up for. But this was
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  sure probably the least excited I've been for a derby. And I've been following
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  Roman now for close to twenty years, right, and as a derby you
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  know, and say fifteen in terms of being like a true diehard fan.
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  Right, the first couple of years I was just getting into it. But
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  every time the derby, especially because my buddy Nick is a is a lot
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  to a fan, right, you always want to have a little bit of
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  bragging rights. I said to him before the match, I was saw going
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  to him on Friday or Saturday. I was like, this is the least
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  excited I've been for a Derby. I don't if it's because they're both not
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  playing well this year, maybe like it just doesn't I just kind of felt
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  it might go this way after after last year. I don't know what it
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  is, because almost every other one you're excited for, and this was kind
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  of like like I don't know what we're going to get out of these to
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  these two teams. I think that maybe had a lot to do with it.
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  And also, like you mentioned, Nick just mentioned like Marino was one
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  and three against Sadi coming into this derby, right in terms of the Roman
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  Derby's I almost wanted him to but a little more, you know, not
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  to I don't want to say they didn't put effort into but maybe a little
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  more attacking, you know, effort into it to try to like break that
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  streak because if they had lost a third of the road a lot too,
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  like that's that doesn't happen too often, Like you don't want that to happen
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  last year, So they've been shut out in free straight dirve. He is
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  that to me? That's not good enough? Sure, yeah, you're right.
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  So one of the situations that you brought up, and I wanted to
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  touch upon it because one time I was listening on your pod and you guys
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  talked about how like Roma always attracts he was a star player but x reason.
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  Uh, So obviously we have that situation. We got We got Tommy
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  Haybrown a few years ago because he was lost in his way into Prem Dibala
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  because you know, a lot of people were very iffy on his injury history.
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  Lukaku because he's a bit of a vagabond and he's looking for a different
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  team year in and year out. Now we're faced with a very interesting situation
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  where in a way, if these guys on their best day are all for
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  fantastic options to use. Now I know, I think if I'm not mistaken
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  Abraham deal. Now there's no more buyback option from Chelsea. Now it's like
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  now it's a permanent Lukaku is alone till the end of the season. But
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  obviously there's always an option to renew the loan or try something or like maybe
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  work something out if you're Roma, right, Like what kind of like what
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  do you do? Because like you also know that Modinio there's a chance of
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  Modino doesn't extend after this season, So like if you have to make a
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  prediction now, this is your I know it's your personal opinion, but because
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  I personally think that, like my my response would be one way, But
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  I want to see yours first before I say anything. But if if you're
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  in this type of spot, what would you do? Do you just let
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  Mourino Lukaku walk? Do you try to find a way to keep Lukaku especially
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  when there's recent form or is it maybe because it's too much of a recency
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  bias where you're like, I don't think it's a good idea either, Like,
• 19:52
  what are your thoughts? I think Marino, if they make Champions League,
• 19:56
  I think there's a chance he comes back. I think if if they
• 19:59
  don't make Champions League, I find it hard to believe he comes back.
• 20:03
  I feel like Madrid might be calling, or someone else might be calling,
• 20:07
  and or even the Saudi money might come come come through again and he might
• 20:11
  go. My hope, at least at this point is if he's able to
• 20:15
  achieve Champions League, he six round for another maybe two year contract or something,
• 20:18
  to try to see what they can do with some actual money to spend,
• 20:22
  because I think for all the the crapt Thiago Pinto has taken the last
• 20:26
  couple of years. I mean, I know there's that asterick next to all
• 20:29
  these players, the star player, but the injury issues with Debabo, right,
• 20:33
  Lukaku with the maybe attitude in the in the transfer market going on,
• 20:37
  where he you know, was supposed to go back to Intern and then he's
• 20:41
  over there flirting with U and the Nians of at Roma. Right, even
• 20:45
  you know players like Sanchez, the reason he's there is because he's got an
• 20:48
  injury history. Right. He was thought it was one of the highest regarded
• 20:51
  young midfielders a few years ago. Was that. Yeah, So part of
• 20:59
  me is like, well, would like Evidendika come with have some war come
• 21:03
  if they didn't know that Marinho was going to be around a little bit longer.
• 21:04
  But at the same time, he hasn't signed a contract manuler hasn't been
• 21:08
  talk of it yet. I think I think if he can achieve champions I
• 21:15
  think there'd be that maybe mutual interest to keep it going. Does he stay?
• 21:17
  I don't know, because you never know if Marinha rights and I'm look,
• 21:19
  he won the Champions League Intern and then he was out the door after
• 21:22
  his treble. He's one of those guys that I think completes a challenge and
• 21:26
  season new on. So maybe if he sees Roma makes that next step and
• 21:30
  that challenge is still there to do a little bit more, maybe he sticks
• 21:32
  around. If the agreements there with ownership, Lukaku's interesting. I think it's
• 21:37
  a little early to commit to it. But if he keeps up in this
• 21:41
  forum, I mean, he's if he was there for the whole eleven twelve
• 21:45
  matches so far, he'd be He wouldn't be up there with Littaro because Litaro
• 21:48
  is having an outstanding season, but he might be like the clear second goal
• 21:51
  scorer in the league based on form. So I think it's kind of if
• 21:56
  he falls in love with Rome and he wants to stick around. And I
• 21:59
  think there are rumors of like a thirty five million euro kind of buy out
• 22:02
  at the end of the option that you know, kind of option thing at
• 22:04
  the end that they kind of committed to but they didn't really report. If
• 22:10
  that's the case, and maybe Chelsea is interested in bringing Tammy back or something,
• 22:14
  maybe you could just do a swap of some sort. Maybe there's some
• 22:17
  leeway there, or if you make Champions League, thirty five million isn't the
• 22:18
  end of the world, right with Champions of the Revenue, So I think
• 22:22
  that that has an effect too, Right, if you're in Champions League,
• 22:23
  you need a striker like Lucacu, even if he is starting to get to
• 22:26
  the tail end of his prime. If you don't go to the Champions League,
• 22:30
  does does Lukaku want to stick around? Doesn't Marine you want to stick
• 22:33
  around? Does even Dibala want to stick around another season? Right? I
• 22:37
  think there's a lot of those kind of ifs. I mean, even renadt
• 22:41
  Tho Sanchez, He's been hurt a lot already. But if he can round
• 22:44
  in the form of the second half and you make Champions League, which isn't
• 22:47
  outside the realm of possibility considering how the other teams around Roma have performed.
• 22:51
  Even with Rum underperforming. His buyout is like twelve million million euros, which
• 22:56
  for a player of his talent is cheap. If he can healthy, Yeah,
• 23:00
  to steal. If he stays healthy, even if you get twenty five
• 23:03
  matches out of him, twenty five out of the thirty eight or something like,
• 23:06
  that's a steal. So I think I think it's so early in the
• 23:10
  season, there's so many like IFFs with this club. I mean you look
• 23:12
  at the upcoming schedule, it's gonna tell us a lot about what Roma can
• 23:15
  do and if they're going to be a top four contender. I mean just
• 23:18
  looking at their calendar post international break, like they have home, okay,
• 23:23
  Cervett away in the Europa League and then Saswollo away, But then it's Fiorentina
• 23:29
  home Europa League match at home for Sheriff, which shouldn't be a problem.
• 23:33
  By then they should be you know, through and no issues there. But
• 23:37
  after that it's Bologna Awaynopoly home, You've away Copa tal Krem and then it's
• 23:41
  a home for Atalanta away to Milan. Like that's that's like a hellish run,
• 23:47
  right, like I got again. Yeah, there they are in the
• 23:51
  covill right, like John's gonna come back and bite us again probably, but
• 23:56
  like that run is going to say a lot of out what this club can
• 24:00
  achieve. Luckily it's in a stretch when you won't have Europa League because you'll
• 24:06
  be kind of in between the group stage and the knockout rounds. But I
• 24:10
  think about where all these teams are. You know, Fiorentina's top five or
• 24:14
  six right now, Bolonea's eighth right now, level with Roma monopolies fourth,
• 24:18
  you've a second Adelanta's I think I think their fifth Milan Is is third.
• 24:23
  Still. I mean that, and we know Roma's had issues with beating those
• 24:29
  kind of clubs, So I think for Marinho to kind of say, look,
• 24:33
  I want to be here next year, Like if he gets through that
• 24:34
  run of like six games and he gets like four wins and all of a
• 24:37
  sudden, it's like, wow, we can achieve top four. Maybe we
• 24:40
  do see if he wants to stick around, but that could really make or
• 24:42
  break their season. But Nick joke, maybe he even joke about it,
• 24:45
  but he's like, that could be the end of Marino in grow because if
• 24:48
  it goes really south, really fast, maybe he's out of the door.
• 24:52
  Yeah. The other there are a lot of people when he got higher that
• 24:56
  were like, I don't know if he makes it to middle of last season,
• 24:59
  right, he won a trophy and took him to another final, so
• 25:03
  yeah, but I think it was like they saw that the fact that the
• 25:04
  roster was capable of reaching the Europa League Final, and you know, you
• 25:07
  had that comment to kind of take away the heat from the team, saying
• 25:11
  that I never lost that final because they lost the penalties, you know,
• 25:14
  so it kind of just puts the attention on him rather than the players for
• 25:17
  like not like, for lack of a better term, not succeeding. But
• 25:21
  I think honestly that's what it was. They're like, Okay, well what
• 25:22
  are your one one or two pieces away from winning from winning Europa League?
• 25:26
  Well, here you're one or two pieces. I think it's for them,
• 25:29
  it's more like they they saw what they were able to get and they didn't
• 25:34
  get it, and now they I think they kind of have more of their
• 25:40
  focus on that. Mind you last game against Slavia Proud, there's obviously it
• 25:42
  just leaves much more to be desired. But I think for them now,
• 25:47
  I do you feel like maybe the energy is more focused towards the European the
• 25:52
  Europa League or do you do you still think the players I was gonna I
• 25:56
  was gonna add on to that, like what if they like they go out
• 26:00
  again and they don't make tough for through the league? Went off of Johnny's
• 26:03
  point and they go back to the final in Europe Wick and they win it
• 26:07
  and they will that route? Is that another aspect in Morino? Maybe?
• 26:11
  Uh isn't that counting too far ahead, isn't it at this point quit easier
• 26:18
  just to fish then to win another tournament. Yeah, I do think it's
• 26:22
  very They're very They're very capable of doing so. Nobody really counted them to
• 26:25
  do what they did last season and they made it all the way there.
• 26:27
  So another year experience with this squad and some additions you never know. I
• 26:33
  agree, and I think Marino's football at this point is great, is more
• 26:37
  suited for that tournament style knockout football. We saw them frustrate the heat out
• 26:41
  of who was the last year fine Ord again after they beat them in the
• 26:45
  conference final the year before this, Like you know, Dutch attack inside,
• 26:48
  who's wont to attack? Attack? Attack? And rom Ende up winning uh
• 26:52
  in the end on on those late goals, and you know they they they
• 26:55
  kept teams down who you wouldn't expect them to keep down those competitions and the
• 27:00
  league results on the other hand haven't been so good. I think it's back
• 27:03
  to back seventh. It was seventh and then sixth. Last year it was
• 27:06
  only six because youve had that point deduction always, but it was seventh again.
• 27:11
  It is too soon, I think to commit fully to Europa League obviously,
• 27:14
  but last year they did that. They went through a similar stretch of
• 27:17
  matches, probably in the February March maybe March April part of the season,
• 27:22
  and it didn't go so well because Debala was hurt, I think small and
• 27:26
  was hurt. It was in the mix of a quarterfinal semi final run,
• 27:29
  and then they had I think it was like something like I'm gonna make it
• 27:32
  up. It was like Milan Knopoli Juve in like a four week stretch and
• 27:34
  they had that and they didn't go well, and then Marino had to make
• 27:38
  that decision right and then he came out afterwards was like, well, this
• 27:41
  whole Uve things a joke because if we had known Juve wasn't going to be
• 27:45
  a part of the top four, I maybe would have expended a little more
• 27:49
  energy to the league because top four would have been a much more realistic possibility
• 27:53
  for us. How true is that, I don't know. Maybe that's him
• 27:56
  doing his usual, like you know, if I had known, kind of
• 28:00
  kind of paints a better picture. But they are capable, I think,
• 28:04
  especially with Lukaku and the way he can really bully some of these these defenders
• 28:08
  from smaller leagues like we've seen in the Europa League, both with United,
• 28:11
  now with Roma and if debalas fit, and he's focusing most of his energy
• 28:15
  on Europe League like he ended up doing last year. Late in the year,
• 28:18
  they are fully capable of winning that tournament. You know, you don't
• 28:21
  know who's gonna drop down from Champions League, but last year teams dropped him
• 28:23
  down from Champions League. And you know, Roma beat RBI Salzburg, they
• 28:29
  dropped down from Champions League. I don't remember their exact run of games they
• 28:32
  had, but I know that it was fine Ord you know Savilla that match
• 28:37
  Marino had I think some points about the referee. That English referee was actually
• 28:41
  recently dropped down to the Champions Championship this year. You know which says the
• 28:45
  little time Leverkusen. That was the other team they beat. That was another
• 28:48
  team that was known for their attacking under Chavi Alonzo. That was the semi
• 28:52
  finals. Fine was a quarterfinals and and they frustrated the hell out of Leverkusen
• 28:56
  and they won one nothing at home, went away and held them to zero
• 29:00
  zero. That's kind of been Mourinho's like recipe in the Europa League and I
• 29:03
  think that's why he's been so good in the Tormentsile football, because you can
• 29:07
  hold out, hold out, get that one goal, and then just rumaka
• 29:10
  defense pretty well. Especially last ye they mockaged in the midfield, which also
• 29:12
  helped in that regard, like they were able to just frustrate teams in the
• 29:17
  league. You can't get away with that on a week to week basis all
• 29:18
  the time, because you've seen it. Setia's crazy, Like, look at
• 29:22
  the beginning of the season, trying to get the midfield reconfigure without Montage and
• 29:27
  you give up two wonder goals to Kandreven week one, you stumble against Verona.
• 29:32
  In week two, all of a sudden, Melan comes into town and
• 29:36
  beat you again. You haven't been able to beat Melan in years, it
• 29:37
  feels like. And then Lukaku came and then it kind of straighten things out
• 29:41
  a little bit because they were able to start scoring a little bit. But
• 29:44
  I mean it's gonna be telling. I think if that stretch that I mentioned
• 29:51
  goes really poorly and they're down in like eighth or ninth after that, right
• 29:55
  then you almost have to say when Europa League comes back around, we have
• 29:59
  to prioritize are starting eleven on Europa League, and you know, maybe the
• 30:03
  rotation comes in Setia, which isn't what most Romanies Cigaretta want to have to
• 30:07
  face or you know here. But you know, if you're sitting in ninth
• 30:10
  or tenth and you're say ten points out come January of the top four,
• 30:14
  how much energy can you really hope to put there and still get into the
• 30:17
  top four? Yeah? Last time? Sorry, Nick, you go ahead.
• 30:23
  Oh I was just gonna say, last time Romos in Champions League was
• 30:27
  what two thaters now have to be likes ago? Yeah, eighteen nineteen.
• 30:34
  Sorry, I just looked, yeah wow, yeah, because it's been a
• 30:38
  while. It's been three years of Europa League, one year of Conference League
• 30:41
  in the last four because fun Secus second season, they had made the semi
• 30:47
  finals also of the the Europa League and lost to United, got destroyed by
• 30:51
  United. Yeah that wasn't That wasn't a good game. But who is it?
• 30:55
  Somebody got injured on the left side? Who was it again? I
• 30:56
  think was it Spina and ver two? Like a couple of guys got hurt.
• 31:00
  Yeah, Like that game was dropping like flies, it was. It
• 31:03
  was not happening it was not happening for them. But you know that the
• 31:08
  last the last coach in Champions was it different Esco? Yes? Or or
• 31:12
  was it Ryniery? Didn't different Esco get fired after or before he made it
• 31:21
  through the portal match? Okay? So I think that was what because they
• 31:25
  won the first leg at that portal match that was on yellow brakes and like
• 31:27
  that was Doniel's real like coming out party. And then and then they got
• 31:32
  shut out and on the return game and yeah, yeah it was it was
• 31:36
  abysmal. Uh Pete, look if he was like twenty something again like in
• 31:41
  that match, it was It's just and that was another frustrating Yeah, a
• 31:47
  long time ago, is it? Is it? Is it a Do you
• 31:49
  think it would be a failure of a season if they don't at least finished
• 31:52
  top four? I know you just spent like this time talking about it.
• 31:55
  You know it's a goal, right, but do you think it's a failure
• 31:56
  if they don't they don't get back into the Champions League. It's similar to
• 32:00
  last season for me. I mean the stated goal by the club is top
• 32:04
  four, right, is a return of Champions League and pretty much always shapes
• 32:07
  and forms. So to me, it almost feels like a failure. Now
• 32:10
  if they go and win it Europa League trophy and they get you know that
• 32:14
  backdoor entrance into the Champions League, when I take it, yeah, I
• 32:15
  take a hundred second. Then you're getting a trophy and the Champions League spot.
• 32:19
  Right to me, I'd almost rather finish fifth and win Europa League because
• 32:23
  it's a trophy, right, Roman trophy every day. Johnny could tell you,
• 32:27
  like it's it was a long time before that Conference League trophy. Yeah,
• 32:32
  copy tally Yeah. And I always I joke all the all the time
• 32:37
  on kids, he told you, because my first started following the club in
• 32:38
  the mid two thousands, right around the time Italy won the World Cup.
• 32:43
  Romo was pushing into for the school dad though you know they they didn't win
• 32:46
  it, but they were pushing for it. They were in the Cope Italian
• 32:50
  Final one in a couple of times, won a Super Copa against the Intern
• 32:52
  in like the two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, you know
• 32:54
  times. And then I'm like, oh, this club, like I got
• 32:58
  suckered in thinking like they actually win stuf sometimes And there was for like fifteen
• 33:01
  years of no trophies practically, and So I mean my Nick for my podcast
• 33:07
  will always say he'll take the trophy any day over like finishing top four.
• 33:10
  Like, what does top four mean in the end, if if you can
• 33:14
  get a trophy, I think it's I think I think it's mod the financials.
• 33:16
  Yeah, it's monetary because that Champasague money does go a long way.
• 33:20
  It goes along, especially for the city at clubs that aren't generating as much
• 33:23
  as you know, I don't want to compare to the prem because it's it's
• 33:27
  really apples and oranges, but it's not comparable, right, So that chimesgue.
• 33:30
  Money goes a long way for these clubs that want to have a project
• 33:35
  and want to advance this project, but don't have you know, the funds
• 33:38
  of uh you know are united. Even though the United you know was in
• 33:43
  the shitter. You know, they still find a way to to to spend
• 33:45
  money. The Chelseas of the world, so on and so forth. So
• 33:50
  for me, I I'm with you with the trophy thing, Steve, because
• 33:52
  because at the end of the day, you know, the end goal are
• 33:55
  those trophies. But you know, I think I have a healthy mix with
• 34:00
  with just making top four and trophies would probably be the ideal thing, but
• 34:05
  because I think it really is crucial, even even even the top teams any
• 34:08
  like, even you know, the use of the world now the interns of
• 34:13
  the world melons like you know, it's they still need that challenge of the
• 34:16
  money. Like it's it's just unfortunate. But that's kind of where where where
• 34:21
  Sadia is you know, currently with you know, with with you know,
• 34:24
  with fun so well. One of the reasons why just to segue into the
• 34:30
  money part, one of the reasons why the Lorenti let go of Rudy Garcia
• 34:32
  is because he was really pissed the fact of the last match where Wayn would
• 34:37
  have brought them an extra two million and bonuses for for qualifying into the next
• 34:40
  round and Garcia costed him that and two million euros and bonuses can help out
• 34:45
  with so much salaries and stuff. You know, it's it's it's every little,
• 34:49
  every little, every penny counts. So wait, is Garcia like officially
• 34:53
  sacked? What's the situation there he left for France today? I mean it's
• 34:59
  in that will break like no, but it's already like the contract is in
• 35:04
  the like I think even Nicola and uh and it's just a matter of time.
• 35:09
  Just it's just a matter of signature. It's just more of the details.
• 35:12
  But looks like it's gonna be Egor Tutor that's gonna be the new manager.
• 35:15
  Egor Tutor wanted eight he wanted a two year contract. But sorry for
• 35:22
  Jackie Hijackie monapoly talk, but he he wanted a two year contract from what
• 35:27
  I was reading. But the legentis wasn't too keen on giving him a two
• 35:30
  year contract. He'd rather give him one till the end of the season and
• 35:32
  then with the option to probably extend it into next year because because the lents
• 35:38
  doesn't like he's just patching up a leaking ship right now, That's exactly what
• 35:43
  he's doing, which I think it's totally understandable. And yeah, and I
• 35:51
  I also said I thought that I thought Garcia was gonna last until Christmas,
• 35:53
  but right now it doesn't seem like for him. Yeah, so, but
• 36:00
  yeah, I think right now he's just trying to patch a leaky ship.
• 36:01
  And it just like they're very fortunate that other teams are also not performing.
• 36:06
  Like it's just juve and into right now the Sudeto mix. Uh, it's
• 36:09
  more about a fight for finishing third fourth to like get your Champions League spots.
• 36:14
  So I think right now he's just moreried have been focused on that.
• 36:16
  But that's why I think they're so crucial this year, like the like these
• 36:20
  these spots, and like there's so much competition Steve, Like you know,
• 36:22
  you mentioned a bunch of these other teams, you know, the field and
• 36:25
  teams of the world, the Atlanta's, you know, Bologna is in that
• 36:29
  mix, obviously, you know Milan not. That's why you know, these
• 36:34
  these these spots of top four so important, just with the healthy competition at
• 36:38
  the top of teams that on any given day can can have that run and
• 36:44
  get in there. You know, both Roman teams, Like, there's a
• 36:46
  lot of teams that are are in that mix. So it's going to be
• 36:50
  interesting going just a bit off of what you know Johnny will say, not
• 36:53
  really not Bial wise, but more Roman wise. And we did speak about
• 36:57
  him a bit obviously with Moreenho but you know, stay or go. I
• 37:04
  don't know what we'll have to see obviously we said that. But what have
• 37:07
  you made of this? Because this is year three of if I'm mistaken of
• 37:10
  Morina, right and usual year three Mourinho, It's kind of okay, we
• 37:16
  won't see him that much longer with that club. Uh. He kind of
• 37:21
  has a history of of doing that. A La Cone Mourinho. They can
• 37:23
  kind of shake hands in that department. But what have you made of the
• 37:29
  entirety of the of the Modinia Roma project and is this a project that is
• 37:34
  sustainable with another manager if he does leave? Just to continue off of what
• 37:37
  we were speaking about before, just your overall thoughts of everything, because in
• 37:42
  my personal opinion, before you go, Steve, I don't think it's been
• 37:46
  terrible, but I don't I think it still could have been maybe a bit
• 37:51
  better. But you're the Roma expert along with Johnny here, so I want
• 37:54
  to hear your thoughts on that. Yeah, I think it's a great question.
• 37:58
  I think you asked and from Romaniiti you might get ten different answers because
• 38:01
  it has been mixed, right, And I think beauty's in the eye that
• 38:05
  beholder. Sometimes I think we have to think about where Roma was before Marinho,
• 38:09
  and you know, people can talk about you know, his league you
• 38:14
  know points per league matches like the lowest of the last, like six managers
• 38:16
  that Romos had or whatever. But you also and my co host Jimmy on
• 38:21
  On across the Rone Verus made a great point like you have to think about
• 38:23
  what the rest of the league was when Spalletti was in charge, and and
• 38:28
  I don't think it went back as far as Garcia, but some of these
• 38:30
  other managers that were there, like the Melon clubs were down for a long
• 38:34
  time, right it was pretty much Juve and Romo was competing with them,
• 38:37
  and Knopoli was in the mix a couple of times when they had like the
• 38:39
  Cavani Lovetzi, those teams that were really good, they had a couple second
• 38:44
  place finishes too, So I think it's hard to compare his league results with
• 38:50
  some of those other managers because the league is more balanced now. I think
• 38:52
  it's more the Big three is back, as we've seen the past couple of
• 38:57
  seasons, So I think you have to look at the whole picture. And
• 39:00
  in terms of player recruitment, it's been great for Roma. I know there's
• 39:05
  some some butts with those players, but you t but like six times in
• 39:09
  the same sentence. But you wouldn't see Lukaku there without Brino. You would
• 39:15
  never have seen Debaal there without Marino. I'm hell Ben's on that. I
• 39:17
  don't think players like Evan and Deica and how Samore signed on free free contracts
• 39:23
  with Roma if it wasn't for Marino. Same thing with Sanchez coming alone,
• 39:27
  like that's been that's been a positive. I think the whole mentality change of
• 39:32
  the club has been positive because Marino's really I think changed the mentality of the
• 39:36
  players they were. You know, for so many years, Johnny and I
• 39:40
  have watched Roma with different managers go out and play Leche like they did two
• 39:45
  weeks ago, give up that goal on like the seventieth minute and capitulate and
• 39:50
  probably give up a second one, or play against Sasuolo and give up three
• 39:54
  and get they run off the pitch, which we saw a couple of years
• 39:58
  ago. With Marino, they've had this mentality shift where it is fight tooth
• 40:02
  and nail to the very end. Doesn't work out all the time in the
• 40:06
  end though, but it doesn't for every club. Right, every club's going
• 40:07
  to drop some of those matches. But going into the last match, I
• 40:12
  think Rome had scored nine goals from the seventy fifth minute on this season in
• 40:15
  Setiau, which was the most in the League. He's changed that. He's
• 40:19
  turned them into a club that knows what it feels like to win a little
• 40:22
  bit in the Conference League and make a final in the Europa League. You
• 40:25
  can't scoff at the fact that he fight. And look last year, Lotito
• 40:32
  came out and called the Conference League a fake trophy, and Tutor called it
• 40:35
  a fake trophy, and then their Latio was in the last year and then
• 40:37
  they they mailed it and they didn't even try to win that trophy. So
• 40:40
  you know, take it for what it is. But to me, I'll
• 40:44
  take that trophy any day, because, like we had said earlier, Roma
• 40:45
  hadn't won a trophy in fourteen years. They made another final, like no
• 40:49
  Roman team makes European finals like that, even if it is the second and
• 40:51
  third year competitions. So those are all positives. The play style has been
• 40:58
  a bit boring at times, a bit hard to watch at times because they
• 41:02
  do play very defensive, which look in Europe it's worked, and in those
• 41:06
  European matches you could get behind it a little bit because you're more on the
• 41:08
  edge of your seat just not to concede and and try to advance the next
• 41:12
  round. When you get there in Santiado on a week to week basis,
• 41:15
  when you're playing like you know, or emply right and emply they kind of
• 41:22
  they went off in that match, and that was, of course the one
• 41:23
  game I couldn't watch. I was out of town visiting family, and there
• 41:27
  seven. But maybe that's why they scored seven. But most of the time
• 41:30
  they don't. They don't do that right. It's like, Okay, get
• 41:32
  a goal or two and they get the result. They move on and if
• 41:37
  and then sometimes the backfires. Look at the Celerinyton and Tendreba pulled a couple
• 41:39
  goals out of thin air and it didn't work out. But the play style
• 41:44
  has been a bit you know, you know, boring, you know,
• 41:49
  stale, so to speak at times. From that regard, the league results
• 41:52
  have been a little underwhelming. Like I had mentioned earlier, seventh and six
• 41:55
  is not what you want, you know, as a Roman fan because for
• 42:00
  so long we're used to finishing top four in the Champions League. But again,
• 42:02
  the competition was different in the league, rightf Fhorantin has kind of rebounded
• 42:06
  at alant has turned themselves into a perennial contender. It's not even like the
• 42:08
  seven sisters anymore. Now that Fehorantine's back is more like eight clubs that are
• 42:13
  competing for those spots, so competitions up, so I think that has to
• 42:16
  be taken into account too. But I'd say overall, I am you know
• 42:21
  glad Maurinho kam If he ends up leaving after this year, depending on how
• 42:24
  the year finishes, it could raise or lower my overall rating of his tenure
• 42:31
  a little bit. But I think the fact that he's brought a trophy and
• 42:34
  made a final, and who knows, maybe could take him to another European
• 42:37
  final this year. With you know, the way the club's made up,
• 42:39
  I think overall six success. Like Johnny was agreeing, note that player recruitment
• 42:44
  like that in itself, I think gives this ownership group the freaking too.
• 42:49
  This was their first managerial higher too. I think that has to be remembered.
• 42:52
  Like they swung big with him, right, and I think they'll swing
• 42:55
  big again. Maybe it's a Conte type manager if they want to go in
• 42:59
  that direct. I'd kind of like to see Thiago Mota if they have to
• 43:02
  go elsewhere next year. I think he's been doing a great job at Bologna.
• 43:06
  Maybe you don't need that big name anymore. But I do think it's
• 43:09
  raised the profile of the club a little bit, and I think with the
• 43:12
  ownership group trying to get the stadium, the fact the stadium sold out every
• 43:15
  week is a plus. So I think there's more pluses than there are are
• 43:17
  minuses with his tenure so far. I think, you know, there's still
• 43:22
  two thirds of a season ago, but for me at least, and I
• 43:25
  know there are other people who are much more critical of him. For me,
• 43:29
  I think it's a net positive ferroma than a negative at this point his
• 43:32
  tenure. I have to agree. I'm happy you brought that up before Nick
• 43:37
  asks his next question, because I remember when they first got him, I
• 43:42
  was dealing with COVID, like on a serious thing, and I thought it
• 43:45
  was a COVID fever dream or something looking at my phone that he's signed and
• 43:50
  exactly that. I think. On one of the pods afterwards, when I
• 43:52
  was back to one hundred percent, I mentioned the fact that you get a
• 43:54
  guy like Modinho for his prestige and you're going to track players for his prestige,
• 43:58
  And I'm so happy you brought that up up because that's been the case
• 44:00
  in point. You know, like players throughout the years, whether they have
• 44:04
  been rentals or you know, they they signed on to Romas because they wanted
• 44:07
  they got a chance to work with Mourinho. That's what it was. I'm
• 44:12
  on, I know he's year everywhere he's gone, right, so it's another
• 44:17
  name. Yeah. Like so for me, it's more like of the fact
• 44:20
  that at the end of the day, like I don't care. It's like
• 44:24
  I compare it always to like the hockey trap system, Like the Devils won
• 44:28
  three Stanley Cups playing trap style hockey and everyone hated that style because it was
• 44:32
  always like a one zero win, you know, but it won at the
• 44:36
  end of the day, Like you what do you care most about the Stanley
• 44:38
  Cup? The same thing with soccer. You know, I don't care if
• 44:40
  Moninho plays, you know, a very defensive style system where he parks the
• 44:45
  bus half the time. If you got your conference League trophy that if you
• 44:47
  weren't gonna win, people were gonna laugh at you for not winning it because
• 44:52
  it was expected that Romo are going to win, you know, the trophy.
• 44:55
  So you get that trophy, you get to Europa League Final when like
• 45:00
  as much as we would like to say that it's the second tier trophy.
• 45:01
  You're getting Champions League quality teams involved in death into that into that run afterwards,
• 45:07
  you know, like it's it's it's still not the easiest trophy to win,
• 45:10
  your just you get to put some respect to it too. So uh,
• 45:14
  the fact you get to a final with the team and you know,
• 45:16
  because of like a really weird balance. So it was an old goal if
• 45:20
  I'm not mistaken that basically you know, push the push the extra time it's
• 45:24
  and then eventually pk is you know it's you were close to winning that trophy
• 45:29
  too, and now you got those extra pieces. So a guy like Marino,
• 45:31
  I would stay it was time with if if at the end of the
• 45:34
  season, you know he decides to part way as no matter what comes,
• 45:37
  come hell or high water. Like I'd say his time time by Roma was
• 45:43
  success, was a success and quite quite a big positive. So I want
• 45:49
  to play for those types of managers, you know what I mean. I
• 45:51
  don't want to, I don't wanna. I don't want to compare it to
• 45:52
  Milan. But like the when Maldini was was was like director. You know,
• 45:57
  players want to come and play under you know, a Mardini Rand team.
• 46:00
  You know, like these icons of coaches, ex players. You know
• 46:07
  when when the piano goes to the Audi and everybody is in awe, right,
• 46:09
  you need that, like when Toti goes to the Olympic. You know,
• 46:14
  these these these these fans, these players, everybody's in all they want
• 46:16
  to be there because of X, Y and Z name, you know,
• 46:20
  for whatever club it is. So you know, I think it does play
• 46:23
  a fact. I know some people kind of play that off, you know,
• 46:29
  it's like, okay, well just another coach. But I I I
• 46:32
  put something into that, like people, especially people that or players sorry that
• 46:37
  see kind of Mourinho in a different light because obviously not every player likes him.
• 46:43
  We've seen it in the past. Not players don't like Mourinho, don't
• 46:46
  like the way coaches play, uh you know, how he sets up this
• 46:50
  team whatever. But there, you know there's times where again, like I
• 46:53
  mentioned a match, he's pretty much followed Mourinho everywhere he's went, uh,
• 46:58
  you know, in the in the later later years. So no, I
• 47:01
  definitely just to bounce off your guys points, I definitely think there's something there
• 47:05
  with with Mourinho, uh being at the Helm. It would be a shame
• 47:09
  for him to leave because we we love to see him in Sadiyah. He's
• 47:13
  done a lot in this league, uh, you know, in his past
• 47:16
  endeavors and and currently I still think there is Like I said earlier, Steve,
• 47:20
  I still think there is more that he can probably achieve with with it.
• 47:24
  That's why I would wanted him to say I would like to see him
• 47:28
  stay a bit longer because I still think there is a bit more that he
• 47:30
  can do with this Roma team and continue this continue this project, because I
• 47:37
  do think you know, with your with your ownership, you know, the
• 47:38
  freakings they've they've really went about their business very quietly, and it's something that
• 47:45
  hasn't doesn't really get talked about too much because they are so quiet with everything,
• 47:49
  like the modinial thing, like Johnny said, Covid no covid Who the
• 47:52
  hell fucking knew that Moreno was coming to Rome, Like, we had no
• 47:54
  idea, right, So it really came out of the out of the blue.
• 47:58
  And you know what I praised because they did their business I had done.
• 48:02
  He's been there now for longer than sometimes people expecting to be at a
• 48:07
  certain club at so you know, Kuros to Kuros, to Rome for for
• 48:10
  making that happen. But do you still think I still think there are like
• 48:16
  far away from maybe their end goal quote unquote. I don't know if you
• 48:20
  agree with that, Steve, but because for me, there's still something more
• 48:23
  to achieve with this with this Roma, Like, yeah, the Conference League
• 48:25
  is great. I totally agree with what you guys said. You know,
• 48:30
  the finals amazing, but this team needs to get back into Champions League,
• 48:34
  like we mentioned earlier twenty eighteen nineteen season, like it's been you know,
• 48:37
  it's there's been longer stretches for clubs not making Champions League, but it's about
• 48:42
  downtime. I think this team gets back into Champions the I don't know if
• 48:45
  you have anything more to say to that, Steve, but because I still
• 48:47
  think, like I said, there is something more to more to give,
• 48:51
  I agree. I do think there is more to give. I think minimum
• 48:54
  is to qualify for Champions League at least once in his tenure. I think
• 48:58
  would be if you had till Roman, so he'd be there three years,
• 49:00
  he would expect at least the Champions leagu appearance out of it. That's my
• 49:04
  point. Yeah, you know, I think that the long term goal of
• 49:07
  the Freakings is obviously scudetto. I think that's any of the big club's long
• 49:10
  term goal, you know, a little bit more achievable, maybe in Milan
• 49:15
  or in Turin, but I think the Roman, at least from the Roman
• 49:20
  perspective, and look not Bely was able to do it last year. I
• 49:22
  think those clubs still aspire to do that. Right, nobody's coming to Roman
• 49:28
  saying, you know, as long as we and maybe behind closed doors they're
• 49:30
  they're thinking, like, as long as we're in the Champions League every year,
• 49:32
  we're good because we're making enough revenue to attract players and attract the fans.
• 49:37
  Maybe who knows, But I do think the freakins as quiet as they
• 49:40
  go about their business, I do think there is the desire to really achieve
• 49:45
  something with Roman really turn into like a global brand, like Pulota talked about
• 49:50
  it, but he would go and you know, make they'd make a Champion
• 49:52
  League semi final. The Heed sell Alison like two weeks later for you know,
• 49:58
  but boatloads of money and after he said he's not going anywhere. I
• 50:01
  don't think the Freakings are that kind of ownership. They'd rather go about it
• 50:05
  quietly and and do what they need to do for the club. And we've
• 50:07
  seen their desire because they're the ones right in checks for these players' salaries and
• 50:12
  in these transfers. I know a lot of them have been on loans and
• 50:15
  free transfers and things like that. But you still got to pay the salaries.
• 50:17
  You still have to have some you know, negotiating power, because as
• 50:22
  good as Marina is, somebody's going to back them up with money, at
• 50:24
  least salary money. So I do think that you're right in the sense that
• 50:29
  there is more to achieve, at least I think from the hiring of Marino.
• 50:32
  I think their minimum goal has to be top four, and that's why
• 50:36
  they didn't state that goal the first season. But I think the last years
• 50:38
  that's kind of been the state of goal of Marino in the club is to
• 50:40
  qualify for Champions League. Uh. Looking at the looking at the players now
• 50:46
  moving away from the manager, not too much movement to this season. A
• 50:50
  couple of players coming in are Paradise Sanchez and then obviously Lukaku are the main
• 50:57
  ones out of the what of the players that came in, is there anyone
• 51:00
  that's really you know, surprised you that you've been happy with this or anyone
• 51:06
  that you've been disappointing with, disappointed with not only the players that came in,
• 51:09
  just the roster in general, Like what what do you what do you
• 51:12
  make of the group. So I'd say if the players that came in,
• 51:15
  Lukaku obviously has played very well, so that goes down saying I'm not going
• 51:19
  to harp on him too long because we talked about him a little bit earlier
• 51:21
  and the goal scoring has been even a little bit better than I expected,
• 51:24
  because I you know, he he has been down a little bit the last
• 51:28
  couple of seasons. I know, I had Nima Tabli on He's a big
• 51:30
  inter, you know guy, and he said that at this point he didn't
• 51:34
  expect much from him, you know. He ironically enough, he said that
• 51:37
  the last world class trade he has his penalty kick. Steve missed one against
• 51:40
  le last week, which is kind of funny. So I don't know if
• 51:45
  Nima put the Malochi on him for that one. But he's been playing very
• 51:50
  well obviously, but he is a world class type player on his day,
• 51:53
  right. I've been happy with Evan and Deka the defender they brought in from
• 51:59
  Mine Trackt Frank Effort on loan the Ivorian. He's been very solid. The
• 52:04
  beginning, people are like, well, why is he not playing it?
• 52:06
  And Marino said, he has to learn the tactics. He has to learn
• 52:07
  the tactics. And after that first international breakthy kind of started to bleed him
• 52:12
  in a little bit into match playing. He's been impressive to me. He's
• 52:15
  an upgrade over Ebanyas, not because he's you know, more explosive or anything
• 52:20
  like that. I think he's just a little more of a solid defender than
• 52:22
  Ebanias was, as you know, nice of a players. Vania's could be
• 52:28
  at times because he had so many great physical traits, so many mental mistakes
• 52:31
  and we haven't seen that from Indico so far, and he's been solid.
• 52:37
  Kind of reminds me a little bit, and it's still early in his career
• 52:39
  to say this, but like Ruma had Wan playing next to Mesis for a
• 52:43
  long time, where Mexis was like the aggressive defender and Wan was kind of
• 52:45
  like that clean, silky, smooth defender break up play but did it in
• 52:50
  a very like smooth way, not very you know, no like huge tackles.
• 52:53
  But he was very clean about it, and I think Indica has the
• 52:57
  most qualities about him. He's also left footed, which they done the on
• 53:00
  that back at the left side, that back three, which has been nice.
• 53:04
  I love John Locamancini. He I think he's really improved under Marino the
• 53:07
  past couple of years. Two years ago he led the league in yellow cards.
• 53:09
  He's really cleaned that up a bit, limits his mistakes a lot more
• 53:14
  than he did early on. I think for the most part. I mean,
• 53:16
  I think Brian Chustante gets a lot of shit from Romany Steve, but
• 53:20
  there's a reason why he plays every match. Uh he is. He is
• 53:22
  Marinho's guy. I think he deserves some credit because he does a lot of
• 53:27
  the small things and and really you know, kind of keeps the midfield,
• 53:31
  you know, solidified, so to speak. Those are two guys that obviously
• 53:36
  were in the club last season, but I think they have both improved a
• 53:40
  lot of under Mourinho in his tenure. You know, in terms of disappointments,
• 53:45
  I mean, Sanchez hasn't been able to do on the pitch. Awar
• 53:49
  hasn't done as much as maybe I had hoped he would do. I know,
• 53:51
  he came in with the fanfare from from people about you know, because
• 53:55
  he was linked with Rom a couple of years ago as a potential transfer to
• 54:00
  actually pay for him. Patricio, I think the writings on the walls,
• 54:07
  yeah saying uh, just thinking elsewhere on the pitch. I really like what
• 54:15
  I've seen from Eduardo bove Uh. He he is a youth product and he's
• 54:21
  looked really good. I think he's really turned himself not only into like a
• 54:24
  rotational player, but a first a solid first team player who you can trust
• 54:28
  as a starter. We saw him start on Sunday in a big match.
• 54:31
  He could have easily played at War, He could have played somebody like that
• 54:35
  in the midfield, could have gone with maybe El Cherri and dropped the balla
• 54:40
  back a little bit and and said, you know what, I'm gonna go
• 54:43
  with my two veteran defense center central midfielders Pedas and and Christante, and I'm
• 54:47
  not gonna throw a young kid into the mix. But I think Bove over
• 54:51
  the the last couple of seasons in the Marinho has started to turn himself into
• 54:54
  a real solid player who can be a starter for Roma for for some years
• 54:59
  to come. And you know in Rome that Romanici loved those youth products.
• 55:04
  We've seen it. You know, they always have somebody in the club right
• 55:07
  now, it's Pelogreni and him and Zielefsky. He's been the one that has
• 55:10
  started to shine a little bit. Wasn't the highest rated coming up, I
• 55:15
  don't think, because he wasn't one of the names you would hear a lot
• 55:17
  with the Prima Era. But I think he's done a nice jobs. The
• 55:21
  left again, the other hand, has been a little disappointing this year after
• 55:23
  he kind of broke through first. And that's one aspect of Marino I forgot
• 55:28
  to talk about, just briefly, is he's done a good job, and
• 55:30
  I think a little bit's forced because of the way the team is built in
• 55:34
  Rome versus other clubs he's been at. He has brought through quite a few
• 55:37
  young players into the squad and it's Leski and Bova. We saw Volpato.
• 55:42
  He ends up getting sold because they needed to cash this summer successful, but
• 55:45
  he came through probably a couple of those Prima players right there. Yeah,
• 55:52
  Pagano is supposed to be a pretty good player. He's starting to get a
• 55:53
  couple of looks here and there, I'm kind of hoping they can clinch this
• 55:58
  Europa League spot in the next match day, so that maybe match day six
• 56:01
  you see like the Pagano get a start and see some of these kids get
• 56:05
  looks against Sheriff at home and maybe give them a little more run because he
• 56:07
  has done a good job of that. That's not something Marino is known for,
• 56:10
  but I think he's done a good job of that in Rome. Those
• 56:13
  are some of the guys that have kind of stood out. But I'd say
• 56:15
  of the signings, I think Indica has been a very pleasant not surprised because
• 56:19
  he came with pretty good reputation from the Bundesliga, but he's been very solid
• 56:22
  and I think he's transitioned very well to a different league. And I think
• 56:25
  when Afcon comes around, they're going to miss miss him a bit, especially
• 56:28
  if they can't get the Small situation figured out. I think they're going to
• 56:30
  need, at minimum in January another center back just to be able to fill
• 56:36
  that role alone, because if you lose him in Small and his health right
• 56:38
  now is questionable and Kambula can't you know, come back quickly enough from the
• 56:43
  acl tair there, they're in a little bit of trouble there, So it's
• 56:45
  gonna be a lot of Brian christ downta center back, which then we can
• 56:47
  the midfield. It's a whole domino effect. Yeah, segue Johnny. Yeah,
• 56:54
  we're talking about it like a lot of like players maybe on the outside
• 56:58
  looking in and stuff. Right now, news came out that Chris Smalling said
• 57:04
  that he will be still unavailable after even after the international break. He's got
• 57:07
  uh tendonitiss. I think it's ten nights in the something like that. Yeah,
• 57:15
  do you think so? This was a question asked by one of our
• 57:17
  listeners, Masim won Udzi. Yes, do you think Smalling would be in
• 57:21
  another game this season? Given how the backtree has been performing and also with
• 57:24
  his current injury situation where everything's still up in the air. Do you think
• 57:29
  we still see Smalling again at some point this season? Or I think I
• 57:34
  think we'll see him at some point. But it's a very disappointing turn of
• 57:37
  events because he has been so good for them. This is his fourth or
• 57:42
  fifth year in the Capitol might fifth year in the Capitol now, and he
• 57:45
  was a very pleasant sprice. He was another United cast off who people thought
• 57:49
  was finished, just like Henrich mctarney was when he came to Rome and they
• 57:52
  both performed well. And Smalling has really been a rock at the back.
• 57:54
  He's probably been one of the best center backs in city out over this time
• 57:58
  with Roma. I mean, not as as dominant as some of the guys
• 58:01
  we've seen through like Buli Bali and Kim and some of these other players Anomoly,
• 58:05
  but he has been very good and if he doesn't play in another match,
• 58:09
  then Roma definitely needs another center back in January, on loan or whatever
• 58:13
  it may be. I think they did pretty good again Diego Lorente, because
• 58:15
  he's been pretty solid for them. He was alone last year and then they
• 58:19
  ended up exercising. They ended up actually being another loan this year with Leeds
• 58:22
  just to get him back. They're gonna need something similar to that because if
• 58:27
  the fact that I didn't see that small and had said that today, If
• 58:30
  if he really feels like he can't come back after this international break, that's
• 58:35
  he's gotta be going on close to six to eight weeks out already, and
• 58:37
  then you've got that stretch I talked about, and you're not gonna be able
• 58:40
  to get reinforcements before then but Afcon comes around like Coope Italia, it's gonna
• 58:46
  get very thin. You're gonna see you're gonna be seeing a lot of criissante
• 58:51
  with the prima verkid backing up the defenders. If that's the case. So
• 58:53
  they're gonna have to figure something out because if this is that debilitating him of
• 58:59
  an issue for him, it's concerning. It's definitely very concerning. Well,
• 59:05
  we see him, I hope so, but we haven't seen him in eight
• 59:08
  weeks. Then it's still bothering that much. There. There's definitely a chance
• 59:12
  he doesn't. And he just had a contact extension this offseason, if I
• 59:15
  remember correctly, So that's another concern. So now you're paying him for another
• 59:19
  at least another season after this, I think remember remember the small small Dini
• 59:24
  meme in his first season, Yeah it was no longer Yeah, twenty nineteen,
• 59:30
  twenty twenty, that was his first season. So it's been it's been
• 59:32
  a while. Like you said, fifth season with from it's been a while.
• 59:37
  He could have ever asked for two from him, Yeah, yeah,
• 59:40
  exactly. I don't think a lot of people expected him to stay this long
• 59:45
  with with the club and then and be be as good as he has been.
• 59:51
  Obviously, like you said, this season obviously different, different thing,
• 59:54
  different story, just because of the injury. Guys, I don't know if
• 1:00:00
  you have other Roman questions. I don't know if you guys want to quickly
• 1:00:02
  talk about some some Italy. Yeah, I know we can. Uh.
• 1:00:07
  The only other thing that you kind of Steve, you kind of did bring
• 1:00:10
  it up a bit there. Uh, you know, the transfer market coming
• 1:00:14
  up. H is center back? The only if if they are if Roma
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  is active in the transfer window in this winter, Marcato, is that it's
• 1:00:23
  center Obviously center back. You hit it on the nail on the head there.
• 1:00:27
  It's very much needed. But do they look anywhere else? Or is
• 1:00:30
  this gonna be another quiet winter Marcato for Roma in your in your opinion,
• 1:00:36
  I think it probably ends up being fairly quiet. That you know, every
• 1:00:38
  every fan base usually wants something in the winter, but it's usually not realistic
• 1:00:44
  for most clubs, especially in Sadiya. Most of the time it has to
• 1:00:46
  be a loan of some sort, and unless you're like got the money of
• 1:00:50
  the chelseas and cities of the world, you're not gonna be able to like
• 1:00:52
  try a player away from another club because nobody wants to give up their their
• 1:00:54
  top players mid season. You know, you're giving up players that maybe are
• 1:00:58
  on the outs with your own club. With that being said, I do
• 1:01:01
  think Rama doesney at least a center back on loan. That that to me
• 1:01:06
  is the minimum. Looking at the injury situation with Smalling and Kambula and Afcon,
• 1:01:10
  like I mentioned, I think that's what makes that the biggest priority.
• 1:01:14
  Luckily, you know, knock on wood, Johnlucamanci has been very healthy.
• 1:01:15
  Is arounma career Diego Lorente so far in the almost full season he's been with,
• 1:01:20
  Roma's been fairly healthy. He's missed a couple of games here and there,
• 1:01:23
  but they're gonna need something they could rely on at least for that month
• 1:01:25
  of January into February when Afcon comes around, until Indika comes back and then
• 1:01:31
  hopefully, you know, if Kambula can kind of get back to fitness at
• 1:01:34
  least, then then you have a fifth option at center back. You know,
• 1:01:38
  I look around the rest of the pitch. They have a whole bunch
• 1:01:40
  of midfielders on the roster. You have plenty of attackers now that Osmuon and
• 1:01:45
  Lukaku have come in and Piloti's performing again. For the most part. I
• 1:01:49
  think the one place maybe you can look for another option is maybe left left
• 1:01:52
  back or left wing back. I know Spinat Sola's contracts up at the end
• 1:01:57
  of the year. As much as I like him, I don't know if
• 1:01:58
  they're going to bring him back. Zelefski struggled a little bit, so maybe
• 1:02:01
  you get him more uh here left back rather than forcing there, which is
• 1:02:06
  kind of what's kind of happened to the Lefski is kind of the same thing
• 1:02:08
  to happened to Florenzi, where he's not a full back or a wing back,
• 1:02:12
  and he's kind of been forced to play there because he's the next best
• 1:02:15
  option. Even else there always played there as a as a wing back when
• 1:02:19
  they need a little less defense and they can be a little more attacking.
• 1:02:21
  So a left back maybe would be my second priority at this point. I
• 1:02:24
  don't see them doing much more than that. You know, goalkeepers have to
• 1:02:28
  wait till the offseason. I think I really think center back, if they
• 1:02:30
  make one move, has to be the one they make fair enough. Uh.
• 1:02:37
  Look in Italy, uh we got two Roman players who got called up
• 1:02:44
  brankers stunt, the forever favorite. Uh, good squad player. I always
• 1:02:49
  say, I always say on this on on the Good squad Player, he
• 1:02:52
  gets hate. He gets hate because you know hehere's he's a Swiss Army.
• 1:02:57
  I'll be honest, I'm not a fan, but they had they are right.
• 1:03:01
  I'm not gonna I'm not gonna disagree there Canadian too, is Canadian passport
• 1:03:06
  or at least Canadian father. Uh it doesn't make the fancy mother. I
• 1:03:10
  think mother. I think Mother then does make the fanciest plays. But he
• 1:03:15
  gets the job done. And I said, crossante els show are we?
• 1:03:21
  So they got games on Friday and Mondays, no weekend games, so you
• 1:03:23
  guys could relax this weekend, no culcho at all. I mean you could
• 1:03:27
  watch other European qualifiers. But I think it's North Macedonia on Friday, if
• 1:03:31
  I'm not mistaken, it's in roll the game. I might have to confirm
• 1:03:37
  that, and then Ukraine on on Monday. Uh yeah, what do you
• 1:03:40
  expect? I mean, this is not do or die for Italy because they
• 1:03:45
  do have the cushion of of at least making the the qualifying playoff. We're
• 1:03:52
  not talking about that, guys. If they can't. Yeah, if they
• 1:03:57
  can't qualify from this group with it's it's I mean, come on right,
• 1:04:01
  like, if you can't finish check me this point. I mean, I
• 1:04:05
  don't know about you guys, but when when this roster was released the other
• 1:04:09
  day, Like Nick and I are texting each other and we're like, like,
• 1:04:12
  it's not inspiring when you look at it. Like I love el Cherari,
• 1:04:15
  Don't get me wrong. I'm I always love to see him, especially
• 1:04:17
  the more Ruman players the better. Obviously it gives you some pride. But
• 1:04:21
  at this point in his career, like El Cherais, I don't know if
• 1:04:25
  he's still a national team player, right, Like I look at some of
• 1:04:28
  these names like Raphael Toloy still getting called up and and and you know call
• 1:04:33
  me like you know Sam being tribal here. But to me, John,
• 1:04:36
  Lookamancini has been way better than him at this point, or even like Scalvini,
• 1:04:41
  Like I'd rather see one of those type players. I don't see what
• 1:04:43
  the attraction is with bringing Tolly back. You know Doniolo, I understand the
• 1:04:47
  talent is there, but he hasn't done anything with aston Villa yet. I
• 1:04:50
  mean, where's Orsolini? I think he's been having a he's been so good
• 1:04:54
  for Bologni the past season and a half. Right, that's you are we
• 1:04:59
  talking to Steve? Are we talking to Nick? Right? But you know
• 1:05:01
  what I mean, Like you see the production level from him versus some of
• 1:05:03
  these other guys on the team, and you're like, you know, we're
• 1:05:08
  and and look, Cheto's kind of passed a little bit. But I'm shocked
• 1:05:11
  he was left off the squad just because these are like do or die matches,
• 1:05:15
  So I think there's definitely things to look at here. Tanali obviously is
• 1:05:20
  a huge loss because of the gambling thing that that's a huge loss. He's,
• 1:05:24
  yeah, was one of their best players. You know, I think
• 1:05:27
  Veati leaving to go to katar Reverie is now and losing him, I think
• 1:05:31
  is a bigger loss than people realize too in the midfield because I think he
• 1:05:34
  still had something to give. So I don't know, like growing up,
• 1:05:39
  I mean you guys too, like you guys probably around my age, maybe
• 1:05:42
  a little younger, like growing up in the early two thousands watching Calchow and
• 1:05:45
  then into like you know, that World's Cup win and you look at these
• 1:05:47
  rosters and even before they won that World Cup. That two thousand and two
• 1:05:51
  team was loaded, like the talent it's not like world class like it used
• 1:05:57
  to be. There's very few guys on this roster that you could say like,
• 1:06:00
  this guy is going to take the team by this, you know,
• 1:06:02
  by the bootstraps and just drag them through Ukraine or whoever they're playing and make
• 1:06:08
  sure they qualify. Like I'd never imagine Italy not qualifying for a World Cup,
• 1:06:14
  let alone two in a row and then now possibly being in the playoffs
• 1:06:17
  for the Euros after they won the Euros less than four years ago. So
• 1:06:23
  I don't like to be doing glom because I tend to be the more positive
• 1:06:26
  one. Nick tends to be the more do the gloom person, Like he's
• 1:06:29
  the one who's always hating on his own clubs, as you can see a
• 1:06:31
  lot of all the time. But it's like, in some ways I have
• 1:06:33
  to say he has points here because like the roster, and I think that
• 1:06:39
  has a lot to do with Setia. This could be like an hour long
• 1:06:41
  discussion about the issues of Setia. But they don't develop players like they used
• 1:06:45
  to. Yeah, yeah, that's a great point. The talent gap is
• 1:06:49
  very, very, very far you could, we can have a whole other
• 1:06:53
  podcast. Yeah, but that's that's yeah, the only is completely on.
• 1:06:57
  Like the association itself just not really doing well with its youth development to the
• 1:07:01
  point where it's like the academies that are developing some players are just filenteen on
• 1:07:06
  me line. And it's just you know, like it's it's it. You
• 1:07:10
  have to you have to hold some degree of accountability. Like now Roma has
• 1:07:14
  obviously been producing good players too, but they're not getting any opportunities even though
• 1:07:17
  they're playing. But it's not I'm not mad at that either, like it
• 1:07:20
  don't rush them at that point, you know. It's just more like if
• 1:07:25
  you need this youth movement to happen, you know, like you need to
• 1:07:28
  like right now, they're just looking at their freaking diaspora to get to get
• 1:07:30
  these young players to come over and like Liketegi, you know, like I
• 1:07:35
  don't get me wrong, Like I'm not saying I don't want him on the
• 1:07:38
  team. I do want him on the team's and he does. If he
• 1:07:42
  wants to play for Italy, then he plays for Italy. It's but it's
• 1:07:45
  like, for example, the Matia Soulet situation, it's like stop relying on
• 1:07:48
  the diaspora, like look at your inner things, and if they do,
• 1:07:51
  if they want to come, let them come. And if they earn their
• 1:07:54
  spot, they earned their spot. But it's you know, there's there's there's
• 1:07:59
  an issue. It's like ever before, there was always at least one or
• 1:08:01
  two superstars produced by every Big seven or eight teams. Now it's like maybe
• 1:08:06
  just a couple of them are developing. And it's just I was kind of
• 1:08:11
  half joking about it, like when I made a tweet about it. It's
• 1:08:14
  like mad me a like a youth player that Juventus developed besides del Puero in
• 1:08:17
  recent history, you know, like like that they didn't buy off of like
• 1:08:20
  Fidentina, like you know what I mean, like Marquiso, right, I
• 1:08:24
  mean like Maire and Meretti who was very meth right now like player I named
• 1:08:35
  too, but no, but are still not like yeah, like yeah,
• 1:08:42
  but from Piano to Marquiso to fucking Marquiso, I will say it was okay,
• 1:08:48
  Marquis, I will say it was okay, like he did like he
• 1:08:50
  did, yeah, I like so so yes, But I'm like, but
• 1:08:57
  like you know, like it's it's it's kind of sad to see, like
• 1:09:00
  right now everyone's kind of holding their breath on Canada from from Milan, you
• 1:09:03
  know. But it's like, yeah, you know, I'm like, we're
• 1:09:11
  gonna have another Hashe situation where everyone was waiting for Hachee mess Store and then
• 1:09:15
  you just know, go play for Monica instead instead Monaca. Yeah, was
• 1:09:21
  he ever? He never actually got that guy? That guy you just made,
• 1:09:24
  You just made tiktoks. Yeah, I do agree though, Like it's
• 1:09:30
  it's it's like there is but it's it's everyone's been saying it's been a dipping
• 1:09:33
  quality and from like eighty eight to two thousand and eight, it we had
• 1:09:38
  always these like like strong rosters that they just it was just unfortunate that they
• 1:09:43
  were going through the same Golden generation as Brazil and France, Germany. England
• 1:09:47
  was at the class of ninety two that was just really good, you know,
• 1:09:50
  like they just like the whole like English side in the nineties were fantastic,
• 1:09:56
  just like Portugal started going towards the Renaissance in the late nine these too,
• 1:10:00
  and then right after that you know you get like right when they're in
• 1:10:03
  the middle of that, you get Ronaldo added in. So it was it
• 1:10:05
  was tough competition. It's just unfortunate, and not more soiver it came from
• 1:10:10
  that. And I really do think that a lot of these the league needs
• 1:10:15
  to go back to more of a restrictive mentality on their lineups because, like
• 1:10:20
  I remember, I think there was something correct. I think it was like
• 1:10:25
  yeah, like like in the early nineties, we're only allowed three foreign players
• 1:10:28
  on the pitch at the same time or something. It was something. It
• 1:10:30
  was a weird rule, but it was meant because they wanted to develop their
• 1:10:33
  local talent. But at the time, you know, all these clubs were
• 1:10:36
  competing for these trophies, you know, like like the team that won the
• 1:10:41
  Scudetto had a very legitimate chance of winning the Champions League, and the teams
• 1:10:44
  that came finished second, third, fourth, they had a legit chance of
• 1:10:46
  winning the UEFA Cup at the time, you know, and the Cup Winners
• 1:10:49
  Cup. You see Fidentino won one. No, yeah, if Finentino won
• 1:10:54
  a Cup winners Cup, if I want was staking Lazioina or was it sam
• 1:10:58
  Dodia that want the Cup Winners Cup? You Wantoria one? One? I
• 1:11:00
  think too. So like like these clubs, whether they weren't in Bama went
• 1:11:08
  into once we were talking about how the hell of a freaking team. So,
• 1:11:11
  yeah, sorry for going off on this tangent. Let's you. Let's
• 1:11:15
  you never relinquish the title of Cup winners. Cup. By the way,
• 1:11:18
  they were the last winners. Yeah, there were the last ones to win
• 1:11:20
  it. But anyways, what I'm trying to say is that, like the
• 1:11:25
  league needs to kind of restructure what they do with their youth players. But
• 1:11:29
  the problem is is that you know, these other leagues are miles ahead,
• 1:11:32
  so they don't want to restructure because they want to keep up with them in
• 1:11:35
  these international competitions. They're like, why risk our chances of playing in these
• 1:11:39
  international cups and doing well and going farm them if we're just focused on deveout
• 1:11:43
  local talent, you need these foreign players to do well. And I kind
• 1:11:46
  of agree with it, but I also kind of say, like, well,
• 1:11:49
  if you have good youth development, you won't have to look internationally if
• 1:11:53
  you really because like Italy is a soccer country. It's it's like saying,
• 1:11:57
  like imagine kind of the same, we can't we can't develop our young players
• 1:12:00
  for hockey, Like come on, like you gotta be shitting me, Like
• 1:12:02
  it's it's the players love it. It's I didn't want to interrupt. No,
• 1:12:08
  No, I'm just saying like, it's people have the passion for the
• 1:12:12
  sport. You could see it, like you could easily develop, like put
• 1:12:15
  much more finances in your development. But I'm going to stop it there before
• 1:12:18
  I go way too long, Nick, please continue. Sorry for one thing,
• 1:12:23
  I was just gonna say, like, the clubs don't give a ship
• 1:12:27
  how good the national team is. That that's the problem. They don't care.
• 1:12:30
  They care about their team. They don't care if they're best strikers Italian,
• 1:12:33
  French, American, Canadian. They just want to win. They don't
• 1:12:38
  agree. I agree, and that's the issue. Did it change Juventus that
• 1:12:41
  euro that Italy won the Euros? No? Did it change Juventus that?
• 1:12:47
  I don't know? Did it? Sorry? Did it change where am I
• 1:12:51
  going? Did Italy change because? Did Italy change because Romo won the Conference
• 1:12:57
  League? Did Italy change because Interres went to the Champions League final last year?
• 1:13:00
  Inter you they made two Champions League finals in a couple of years,
• 1:13:04
  a couple of years ago. Now, No, it for me, I
• 1:13:08
  don't think they're even related. I think clubs are gonna develop their players.
• 1:13:12
  But at the same time, like the f i g C has their own
• 1:13:15
  training facilities, they need to they need to step up and at a youth
• 1:13:19
  at a youth level, they have more They probably have a bit more control
• 1:13:23
  over developing these players, uh than than at a professional level, because at
• 1:13:28
  a professional level, these players are with their clubs all the time. At
• 1:13:30
  a youth level, it's it's it's a bit different, yeah, Like there's
• 1:13:36
  no incentive for the clubs to develop Italian players. Maybe the f i GC
• 1:13:41
  puts a monetary incentive if you do start, Maybe they do have I don't
• 1:13:45
  know, if you do start academy players at Italian they get more money or
• 1:13:49
  something. I don't know, But in reality, the clubs don't care.
• 1:13:54
  Sorry, I was just gonna throw in on that development part. Is like
• 1:13:59
  even the small clubs don't bring through the youth development like they used to.
• 1:14:01
  Right, Like when that Soul first came up from said he they were playing
• 1:14:05
  like ten Italians consistently Monza when they first came up, and that was part
• 1:14:11
  of Berlosconi's plan, like he wanted a very Italian side and they could they
• 1:14:14
  competed. These clubs competed and stayed up. I mean, I think gets
• 1:14:18
  called up. So yeah, you know, and I look, I think
• 1:14:20
  back to six, Palermo had two or three players in that team, right,
• 1:14:25
  Barzali was still with Palermo at the time, as the car though was
• 1:14:29
  with Palermo and Grosso World with Palermo. So like it wasn't just the big
• 1:14:31
  clubs producing the talent. Like Palermo was a decent sized club, but they
• 1:14:35
  weren't a big, you know, seven type club, and they were producing
• 1:14:39
  talent. And I think you're you're right, the clubs don't care what the
• 1:14:42
  national team does. Uh, They're more concerned at their bottom line and trying
• 1:14:45
  to put a product in the field that if your a small club can stay
• 1:14:48
  up or a big club gets to the Champions League or whatever it is,
• 1:14:51
  and it hurts the national team in the end. And I think, you
• 1:14:55
  know, putting back that rule that they used to have with the three foreigners
• 1:14:58
  would be a bit DRACONI At this point, nobody's gonna like go for that
• 1:15:01
  because nobody's didn't want to say like, oh, we're not going to take
• 1:15:03
  devolve on our team because we can only allow three foreigners. We're not gonna
• 1:15:06
  take this person. But there has to be some kind of more balance.
• 1:15:10
  I mean, Italy should not be missing World Cups, especially back to back
• 1:15:14
  World Cups, you know, like it happens to like the Netherlands because it's
• 1:15:16
  a small country, you know, it's not as easy to produce the talent
• 1:15:19
  consistently and some of these other like smaller European nations, but Italy is one
• 1:15:24
  of the biggest countries in Europe with that's like you said, a soccer country,
• 1:15:27
  right, Canada is never not going to qualify for a World Cup of
• 1:15:30
  Hockey and they're always going to be a competing for the championship. And Italy
• 1:15:35
  might have a group stage where they get knocked out like we've seen, but
• 1:15:39
  they should never not qualify in my opinion, and it goes back to youth
• 1:15:42
  development. No, I think the only other thing that like to say is
• 1:15:46
  I agree, obviously there's no there's no incentive like pure incentive of of these
• 1:15:53
  clubs having producing these talents. And the only thing I can that maybe see
• 1:15:58
  is that you know, having these these these young talents, you know,
• 1:16:01
  rise on on not only a club level but an international level. But we
• 1:16:06
  see a guy like killing Himbape, you know had what he did at a
• 1:16:11
  monocle, you know, wins the wins, wins the World Cup at what
• 1:16:15
  eighteen years old, is now regarded as one of the best players in the
• 1:16:19
  world. Moves to phg obviously to make that other jump. So there is
• 1:16:25
  a bit of of of having the word to use. But I think there
• 1:16:30
  is a bit of value there. Its just not I think enough, you
• 1:16:36
  know, to to to say that, Okay, well, everybody's going to
• 1:16:40
  be like an embope situation. You know, everybody's going to be, you
• 1:16:44
  know, similar to that. So it's it's it's a bit sad. But
• 1:16:47
  at the same time, you know, I agree with Steve when when it
• 1:16:53
  we didn't make the World Cup twenty eighteen, like we were talking us,
• 1:16:58
  we were pissed, like like you said, like I never thought I would
• 1:17:00
  see the day that that would happen. Now we've seen it twice in back
• 1:17:03
  to back World Cups. So clearly there's a problem. And and if we
• 1:17:06
  want to admit it or not that you know, there's no incentives, there's
• 1:17:09
  no this, there's no these clubs they don't care about the national team.
• 1:17:13
  Well, what are you gonna do? You're gonna You're gonna just get out
• 1:17:16
  of wayflight. You're just gonna get out of out of out of these competitions
• 1:17:19
  for for good and not compete at all. There has to be a bit
• 1:17:23
  of give and take. In my opinion, I do think there is talent
• 1:17:27
  in Italy, not enough. Obviously we do produce. I just don't think
• 1:17:30
  it's at at at a level that fans of maybe later generations or sorry,
• 1:17:36
  earlier generations or earlier years of following the national team probably would expect. You
• 1:17:43
  know, Johnny says it all the time and just said it now. You
• 1:17:45
  know those those runs, you know the mid nineties till you know mid two
• 1:17:49
  thousands, that those those years are like those are prime years for for for
• 1:17:54
  Italy to uh producing talent like legends of the game, right in some cases.
• 1:18:00
  So do we have that now? No? Can we even name a
• 1:18:04
  world class player on our team? You know people are gonna say maybe Ji
• 1:18:08
  Joe, maybe Badela, maybe Veratti when he was around. But now we're
• 1:18:12
  bringing back guys like Georginio Toloi I did't even noticed is back on the ratter.
• 1:18:19
  Notice that like you know what you know what I mean? So you
• 1:18:24
  know we're going back to, you know, twenty sixteen as SHADAUI like,
• 1:18:28
  is that what we're expecting? Like I love the guy, but he's not
• 1:18:30
  that that young bright you know, bright player. I love Balotelli, but
• 1:18:35
  Balti is not gonna be a guy who comes back, you know what I
• 1:18:39
  mean. So it's it's one of these things where like we're really missing,
• 1:18:43
  you know pieces I do like that, you know, and say what you
• 1:18:45
  want, you know, at the end of the Mancini or even during the
• 1:18:48
  Mancini range. You know, he did include h and gave a lot of
• 1:18:53
  chances to a lot of different wide variety of players, younger players, you
• 1:18:58
  know, in the setup, Like we wouldn't have seen a guy like jo
• 1:19:01
  I know it was a short sample size, but we wouldn't have seen a
• 1:19:05
  uh, you know in the setup. So a guy like Scalvini getting getting
• 1:19:11
  his his debuts, stuff of that nature. So I don't know. I
• 1:19:15
  again, I'm with you, Steve and and and obviously Nick Deyanni said it
• 1:19:18
  as well. You know, definitely head scratching with these with these call oups.
• 1:19:24
  But for me, it's do or die. I don't want no fucking
• 1:19:27
  playoff. We need to win. I don't care if it's in Rome or
• 1:19:30
  if it's on the moon. We need to win. It's just that's that,
• 1:19:34
  like that for us, for always, for me, that's my bottom
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  line. We need to win. We need to qualify, and then whatever
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  happens in the tournament happens in the tournament. But at least we can kind
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  of, you know, rest our heads on our pillows saying okay, fuck,
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  we made it to the we made it to the tournament. So but
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  yeah, we're gonna probably wrap it up there because I think if we continue
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  on anymore, we're gonna have we can this can be another another hour segment
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  of just duty talking what's wrong with with Italian culture. But Steve, just
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  from the three of us, we wanted just to really thank you for your
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  time, great conversation, very very knowledgeable. It's a shame we didn't have
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  you. It's been such a long time since we had you on previously.
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  But the four is yours. Anything you want to plug we mentioned a bit
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  earlier, but again the four is geors to plug anything you want. Before
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  we sign off here, yeah, thanks for having me again. I want
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  to ask you guys one quick question before we end looking at this roster,
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  like who's your starting eleven on Thursday or Friday and Monday, Like I'm looking
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  at this roster. Obviously Gjo starts in goal, right, yeah, I
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  think he goes a charity Bossoni in the center of the defense with Di Lorenzo
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  and DeMarco. Right, that probably the defense, I think. But where
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  my issue is, like, obviously Badella starts, who is starting with Battella
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  in the midfield that you like trusted this point in their career to really like
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  hold it down, like who's who are you? Quite one of the likes
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  I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say alongside Bla Georgia, I think jack Omino
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  gets the start because he's mostly informed, and I think it's probably gonna be
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  Georgino because he has a bit more trust. No, but I can't,
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  can't. I think he's just gonna go with the trusted guys up front.
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  Why do Why don't we just do a carbon copy of a euro twenty twenty?
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  We might as well just do that. No, but it's just no,
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  because it's no no if you're playing, especially playing three men in uh
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  bring back no. But I'm agreeing with you. Upon of Duda starts.
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  I agree with you because he's the most informed mid. But besides part of
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  him and who were the most like inform like top mids that we can use,
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  I'm saying they're just gonna go. I just don't. I just don't
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  think. I just don't think Georgino belongs in that midfield. Maybe maybe because
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  he had a good weekend recently, you could probably say maybe he might be
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  on a heater. No, yeah, maybe, but like I don't see,
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  like Georginio is just gonna just walk into the lineup. He deserved that
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  much that he just walks into the line him him months ago. So he
• 1:22:15
  said, maybe just what has what has what has done? Plailoff inter,
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  but he's been scoring for the national teams he plays. I'd rather see,
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  right, we're just talking about we have a problem with youth, Steve to
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  go off on your point, and we're gonna go bring back Georgino the Brazilian
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  to point in our midfield. When we have a guy like on the bench
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  called Pani and others, guys, we have to make up our minds here.
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  I don't see. That's where I don't want to get heated. But
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  that's why I don't. I don't see. I think, I think,
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  and I think there's subs. I think, but like good subs, like
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  fifty sixtieth minute, depending on the score, they're gonna bring them on and
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  they're gonna have an impact. Would start starting, I'm sorry, starting a
• 1:23:02
  big responsibility. But we're discussing right now. Is the starting lineup now?
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  And I'm and I'm putting. You asked me who I put, I put,
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  I put ba, and that's why I put. I'm not putting.
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  I'm not putting. But I'm just saying what's gonna happen is probably Georginia is
• 1:23:21
  gonna get to start. Maybe yeah, okay, and maybe it wouldn't shock
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  me. But the only thing is, I don't know if Spiletti has the
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  same level of loyalty to Georgino as Mancini did, because this is the first
• 1:23:34
  time that he's pulled up under Spalletti, so maybe there's a little less of
• 1:23:39
  the trust there. He hasn't coached him before, right, and then even
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  like I think Gmaca probably has to start because he has he's fit enough,
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  I think, but he's he hasn't played a whole ton this year. For
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  you, there right, he's kind of just working his way back. Yeah,
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  and then maybe he started. I think for teen probably, I don't
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  know. They might go even false nah, I don't think they'll go fights
• 1:24:05
  false nine. I think definitely Skamaka starts. I think at least Berardi Skamaka
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  the other guy. I wouldn't be surprised if it's respiratory. I wouldn't be
• 1:24:15
  surprised if it's Casa. If it is, he's not a guy that it
• 1:24:19
  was just was it just look at that was called back because of his injury?
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  And did he get called back? And to be honest, you we
• 1:24:27
  rapped on the whole toel Woice selection, but I think him too. He
• 1:24:30
  went back him. I saw him. It was a hymn Medet and Calabria
• 1:24:33
  that also left. I was, I was they went from almost thirty call
• 1:24:41
  ups down to like, I don't know, twenty five, twenty six,
• 1:24:45
  I don't remember. I kind of had seen that briefly before we jumped on
• 1:24:47
  here. But let's expected whether he's Yeah, guys get the slightest knock in
• 1:24:53
  their clubs, like no, you're not going anywhere? Yeah, right back,
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  But I didn't mean to have you guys get or anything. I know
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  that point just because it's like you look at the roster and like the defense
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  and and goalkeeper kind of set, but you look at the midfield and attack
• 1:25:10
  and it's not like you're arguing, do we start talking to your del piano
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  as like the player with Tony right or something. It's it's like the options
• 1:25:16
  are so limited that you're like, who do we mirr? Because it's it's
• 1:25:20
  like who's who's less bad like kind of thing like and that's that's that's the
• 1:25:26
  kind of the sad thing. But I thank you guys again for having me
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  on. It was it was a pleasure. It's good. It's fun to
• 1:25:31
  be the guest on a podcast and I always be the one hosting and and
• 1:25:33
  kind of like driving the conversation. Just kind of answer you got, you're
• 1:25:36
  getting us round up at the end. It might have been a clip for
• 1:25:40
  for for for social media seen questions and we're calm, you know now it's
• 1:25:47
  the other way. Yeah, So obviously dot Com for all of our our
• 1:25:57
  Romo written work. We have our Roma podcast acted to the site across the
• 1:26:00
  re reverse. And then of course you guys mentioned I'm doing Kicks and Picks
• 1:26:03
  with Nick and Scott that's at kicks and picks Pot or kicks picks pot is
• 1:26:08
  the Twitter handle we talk mostly said the out Premier League. It's got a
• 1:26:12
  betting angle to it. We give our our locks the week every week.
• 1:26:14
  Uh, we've been doing pretty well. This week was rough, but prior
• 1:26:17
  to that we were on a really good run of form. So if you
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• 1:26:25
  And of course for the Roma stuff across the reverse and uh, Gizzy told
• 1:26:28
  you dot com is where you can find all that stuff. So I thank
• 1:26:30
  you guys again for for having me. It was a pleasure. It was
• 1:26:32
  a lot of fun. And and your duty debate to me what was fun
• 1:26:35
  too, because Nick and I talk about all the time it's good to hear
• 1:26:38
  other people's opinions. But we yeah, it's it's, it's it's it's a
• 1:26:43
  little even more even even more depressing than Roma sometimes these days and uh,
• 1:26:47
  look, I'm an Ilders fan. That's getting depressing. These days are depressing
• 1:26:51
  me. Say thank god for the Eagles that at this point I picked the
• 1:26:57
  calendars to beat the Oilers tonight, so I hope they go through Jared's gonna
• 1:27:00
  be upset at you say it too loud. Don't say it too loud,
• 1:27:03
  but you won't hear this til tomorrow. Yeah, so he can sleep on
• 1:27:09
  it. But yeah, all the all the all the betting stuff. I
• 1:27:13
  always hear you guys stuff guys he's they're doing illegally, Guys that they're not
• 1:27:15
  going to get in trouble for this. Uh you know, you know they're
• 1:27:18
  betting responsibly and smartly, right So, but yeah, guys, definitely go
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• 1:27:29
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• 1:27:31
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• 1:27:36
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• 1:27:41
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• 1:27:43
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