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Giants fire Bob Melvin, Reds are in, Tigers-Guards preview, Cubs lose Horton, Giolito out for Red Sox · Foul Territory

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: A regular season is over, let's start October. It's gonna
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: be a fun day because there's a little manager carousel
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: action going on today. We're of course gonna preview series.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: I've got something special saved up for slap Hands. It's
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  Speaker 1: just a stat thing and the brackets are set. Take
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  Speaker 1: a quick peek and then we'll get into the breaking news.
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  Speaker 1: First off, in the American League, this is your bracket.
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  Speaker 1: We'll unveil our predictions tomorrow. Tigers versus Guardians, Yankees versus
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox. Those teams have no idea how the other
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  Speaker 1: side operates, aside from many times per and then don't
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  Speaker 1: worry whoever wins Yankees Red Sox plays a team that
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: they play all the time in the Blue. I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's fine. And you are you going to Seattle?
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm going to see it right, we
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  Speaker 1: can officially.
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  Speaker 2: Something crazy happens, which I don't know what that craziness
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  Speaker 2: would be, but as of right now, as of what
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  Speaker 2: I was told to book my ticket to Seattle for Seattle, Guardians, Tigers,
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  Speaker 2: whoever nice whatever comes out. And then it's the Al
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  Speaker 2: East versus last Remember it was the AL Central versus
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's the Al East for the other rest.
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  Speaker 4: Of the league.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna get well, I was gonna say, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get the late night I mean you are definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing we're not going to get We're
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  Speaker 2: not on Well, Saturday, there's four games, so we're definitely
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  Speaker 2: gonna be the latest game, probably because the Dodgers will
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  Speaker 2: be on the road.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if they win.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Saturday is a day where you couldn't pull
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  Speaker 1: You can pull off a day game with the crowd,
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  Speaker 1: and it's easier in Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, although you can't start it before four o'clock Eastern.
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  Speaker 4: No, No, so twelve and the.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But I don't think they're gonna do that
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  Speaker 1: to that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they'll do that.
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  Speaker 2: I think it'll be the late game, and then Sunday
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  Speaker 2: will probably be a four o'clock Pacific starter.
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  Speaker 3: Five o'clock Pacific.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a football game.
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  Speaker 3: There's a football game at one o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: So they're gonna go specific one o'clock Pacific, right, But
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  Speaker 1: in my mind, they're gonna go as late as possible
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  Speaker 1: then to have some separation.
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  Speaker 2: Now you would think, yeah, that's why I'm thinking five
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  Speaker 2: o'clock Pacific.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe because that's still eight Eastern. That's that's okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that makes same.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're are you gonna have it at four o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: I go up against the football team and then have
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees and the Blue Jays or Red Sox Blue
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  Speaker 2: Jays as the later game.
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  Speaker 1: They like Sunday night, I think better than Sunday afternoon
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  Speaker 1: with stuff anyway, because then you have less football going on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think they think, but they see, here's
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  Speaker 3: the thing. Here's the problem with Toronto.
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  Speaker 2: They don't get all the ratings in Toronto and it
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  Speaker 2: gets sports nets. So in Toronto you're it's it's a
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  Speaker 2: it's a weird Anyways. Anyways, I digress. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting to see what the times are.
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  Speaker 4: I just know this.
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  Speaker 2: I already have my passes for the Seahawks Bucks game
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday lined up, and if there might be a chance,
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  Speaker 2: depending on the game time, I might be the ball
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  Speaker 2: boy for the first half or some.
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  Speaker 1: We'll double dip and then tell everybody what the game is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: go home and watch the game on Fox. If you're
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  Speaker 1: not hopping over across and then real quick National League
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  Speaker 1: and we'll get into previews and all that. But the
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  Speaker 1: Reds and the Dodgers, and then the Padres and the Cubs,
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  Speaker 1: Phillies and Brewers waiting. Phillies waiting for the Dodgers or
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  Speaker 1: the Reds, Brewers waiting for the Cubs or the Padres.
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  Speaker 1: Ready for some breaking news. Let's hit it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's charge about.
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  Speaker 1: Bob Melvin. Boom, breaking news. Bob Melvin is fired by
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  Speaker 1: the San Francisco Giants. They have been the definition of
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  Speaker 1: five hundred the past couple of seasons eighty one and
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  Speaker 1: eighty one, this season one sixty one and one sixty
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  Speaker 1: three over the last couple of years. Buster Posey, running
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  Speaker 1: the front office ship, said, after careful evaluation, we determined
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  Speaker 1: making a change in leadership was in the best interest
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  Speaker 1: of the team. Last couple of months have been disappointing,
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  Speaker 1: frustrating for all of us. We did not perform up
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  Speaker 1: to our standards. We now turn our focus to identifying
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  Speaker 1: a new leader to guide us forward AKA Posey's in
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  Speaker 1: charge AJ And he gets to pick his own manager
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  Speaker 1: this time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't pick.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't pick bab moment he remember he inherited bad moment,
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  Speaker 2: so he had to give him a run. And then
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: when you got people like Logan Webb coming out saying,
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  Speaker 2: this is the most talented team we've ever had and
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  Speaker 2: we didn't make the playoffs. That hurts your chances. But
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  Speaker 2: Buster Posey's not here to mess around people. We didn't
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  Speaker 2: know that by now. We know it now. And he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna find somebody. And I don't know who he's gonna pick,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, there's there's a lot of people that
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  Speaker 2: you could look at. I mean, there's a list from
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  Speaker 2: Susan Slusser, David Ross, Bruce Bochies, Kip Schumacher, Mark Coolberg
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  Speaker 2: their first base coach. I don't know, we'll see what
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  Speaker 2: they do. But uh, Buster Posey, it's on the ball
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  Speaker 2: is in your court.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how Buster could go to somebody who
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have any experience. I don't feel like the Giants
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  Speaker 4: are one a team that wants to have somebody with
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  Speaker 4: a little experience too, in a situation like they built
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  Speaker 4: this team to win not just this year but next year.
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  Speaker 4: With getting Robbie Ray in that one trade, with getting Admis,
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  Speaker 4: extending Matt Chapman, those are all well, not the Robbie
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  Speaker 4: Ray stuff. But this kind of is their window and
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  Speaker 4: they need to add to this team. It's got to
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  Speaker 4: be somebody. You know, his buddy, the first base coach Hallberg.
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  Speaker 4: I don't see your first time manager being that guy.
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  Speaker 4: Before Bob Melvin got that job. Bob kind of came
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  Speaker 4: out of nowhere for that job. After the Padres got
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  Speaker 4: rid of him. It was gonna be Steven Votes. Stephen
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  Speaker 4: Vote was going up to San Francisco. Look at what
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  Speaker 4: he's done since he's been in Cleveland. Could that have happened?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe Buster sees a diamond in the rough somewhere with
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  Speaker 4: somebody and he doesn't need to go to me. I
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  Speaker 4: think that the top candidate should be Skip Schumacher. He's real,
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  Speaker 4: Buster's real, He's had success.
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: I love Skip. There's a problem.
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  Speaker 3: Though he works with the Rangers.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's not a catcher.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that doesn't matter.
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: Do you think Buster Posey wants a catcher? I say
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: it half jokingly, but no.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want somebody? He wants somebody that's like him,
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  Speaker 4: focused to able to connect with people, but also knows
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  Speaker 4: how to win. That's it. He doesn't want eye wash.
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  Speaker 4: There's a couple of people in this list. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: going to name him that our eye wash, and I
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  Speaker 4: don't think busters about that life catcher, outfielder, first base coat.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever I think he is, he wants a certain I
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  Speaker 4: think he would want a certain type of manager to
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  Speaker 4: come in, and I think that certain type of manager
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  Speaker 4: is closer to his personality than the look at me
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  Speaker 4: type of manager.
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  Speaker 1: Susan Slusser has put out a list in her column
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  Speaker 1: of possible replacements. That's what krats is talking about here,
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Bochie, Skip Schumacher. I wanted to pause, so maybe
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  Speaker 1: you guys can answer after I give the rest. David Ross,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Halberg, who's the first base coach and is tight
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  Speaker 1: with Buster. And then the next layer of the list,
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: she puts Javier Lopez, Nick Hnley, Randy Winn, Kurt Cassally,
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  Speaker 1: Craig Albernass who's the Guardian's assistant manager and worked on
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  Speaker 1: Kapler's giant staff. Although that doesn't have much to do
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  Speaker 1: with Posey, and.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want nothing to do with anybody was on
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  Speaker 1: Now that's what I'm saying. But Casally could be the
• 8:30
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  Speaker 4: I like Craig. I think he's probably a manager in waiting.
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  Speaker 4: But don't put his name with Greg, with with Gabe.
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  Speaker 4: Don't don't. That's like, that's like putting anybody on the
• 8:42
  Speaker 4: White Sox staff with their ex manager. Just don't put
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  Speaker 4: certain people's names. It tarnishes them.
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  Speaker 1: Who's the pick, who's the predicted pick? And who would you?
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  Speaker 4: Let's just why.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think he would do that. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to tarnish his rep. He doesn't want to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's like.
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  Speaker 2: He's out this time, he's out David Ross, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that's a fit. I mean, Hallberg seems like the
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  Speaker 2: good one. Buster knows him better than anybody. I mean,
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: Hobvey Lopez. Why because he's on TV, I mean Nick Hunley,
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  Speaker 2: because he's around, because they're just because I'm a next
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: giant hire me Buster. I'm gonna hi. I played for
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  Speaker 2: the Giants, my numbers, retired buster, I was a catcher.
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  Speaker 2: I click all the fight.
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: Criteria, Barry Bonds raising his hand, I played.
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  Speaker 3: I'll I don't think Barry's doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Who do you think is the guy then on this
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  Speaker 1: list I think would be.
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  Speaker 2: A good one. I think Hallberg are probably out of
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  Speaker 2: this list. Would be my top two that I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at on this list, Crats.
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  Speaker 4: I like Skip. I think if I think if Buster
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  Speaker 4: truly would interview Skip. Obviously this is just a Susan
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  Speaker 4: Slusher Slusher list, I think there would be I think
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  Speaker 4: there'd be a good connection there if Skip doesn't want
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  Speaker 4: the Rangers job, if Boach leave. So there's there's a
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  Speaker 4: little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Of that, okay. And then the next layer for the
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: Giants is how do they get over the hump?
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: Hey, they had two guys hit thirty homers this year,
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: Raffi and Willia Domas did it.
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: They didn't really count devers I Adamis really did it
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: hit thirty? He hit thirty first giant since Barry Bonds
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and four? Is that what it was?
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  Speaker 1: I think it was four?
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  Speaker 2: I was there other connection?
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm?
• 10:31
  Speaker 4: Right is my choice? AJ's my choice in that list.
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  Speaker 3: First love that in San Francisco if.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: They cheered to no end, it would make noise to
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: no end? First, righty? Since Jeff Kennan O two so
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  Speaker 1: Domas ended up with thirty homers.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: On the number we thought it would be so there
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  Speaker 2: and it was a Domas, remember a Damas, and everyone
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: dumps went had a good year. He ended up right
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: about where he should have been.
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  Speaker 1: He did, he did.
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  Speaker 4: RAFFI played one hundred and sixty three games. It's a record.
• 11:00
  Speaker 4: I forget when the last time somebody played one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and sixty three games in a season. It's pretty cool record.
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  Speaker 4: Which other teams could have gotten played one und sixty three,
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: but justin Moore no did against two thousand and eight?
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  Speaker 4: Is that what it was?
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  Speaker 1: And the Giants had pretty good attendance. I didn't see
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: final numbers, but it was definitely up this year, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that had to do with Posey and bringing
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  Speaker 1: in names that are going to be there for a while.
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  Speaker 1: I truly believe in that. So I think Buster might
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: play a little bit more checkbook baseball over the offseason if.
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  Speaker 4: They let him.
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  Speaker 1: But I think he has their ear better than most do.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's tougher to tell Buster no, especially when he looks
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: back and says, listen, guys, I just came in. I
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: got you a superstar name, Endeavors, I got you higher attendance.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure the team made good money this year, Let's
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  Speaker 1: keep spending and let's get some more help for this team,
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: because they were close. That's a five hundred team. So
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: they won eighty two games or eighty one game, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: eighty one and eighty one. The team that made the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs in the National League in the last seat won
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: how many games? Eighty three? Was it four?
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  Speaker 3: Three?
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  Speaker 1: Eighty three games? They were two wins away. It's not
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  Speaker 1: very far away.
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  Speaker 4: They need Obviously, you're always gonna say this about the Giants.
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  Speaker 4: They need to continue to add pop to the lineup.
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  Speaker 4: But I think bus I'm just basing it on busters
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  Speaker 4: track to the big leagues. They had dudes from the
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: minor leagues that were then supplemented with other guys around them.
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  Speaker 4: Now they have guys that are in positions that they
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: brought in and are paying some cashish to. They need
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: guys like Bryce Eldrid. They need guys like Tyler Fitzgerald.
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  Speaker 4: They need guys like ili O Ramos to take their
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  Speaker 4: next step, whatever their next step is, for this team
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  Speaker 4: to contend. I don't think you can go out and say, Okay,
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: we're gonna go and get Pete Alonso, We're gonna go
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: and get Zach Gallon to pitch for us. Like, I
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  Speaker 4: think they do need to add a starting pitcher, and
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: they need to definitely solid a by that bullpen. They
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: thought daval was going to be the guy. Is Ryan
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: Walker a closer or an ath inning guy? To me
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  Speaker 4: that those pieces, there's pieces that are there to be
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  Speaker 4: able to be a really good defending team. Now they
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  Speaker 4: have to add to it and hopefully this manager comes
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  Speaker 4: in and creates that winning environment that Buster expects a lot.
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  Speaker 2: You just let you just wrat him off a lot
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  Speaker 2: of holes though.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're going to be aggressive this offseason. I
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  Speaker 1: think I do. I do think their payrolls it's like
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  Speaker 1: I think middle of the pack from what I remember.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they listen, they can spend if they want.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the Giants. But the key is, you know
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  Speaker 2: they you know, what does Verlander do? Does he come back?
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  Speaker 2: How do they figure out the bullpen? Can they find
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  Speaker 2: more offense? Can they play better defense? Is Patrick Bailey
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: their catcher? Right?
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  Speaker 3: They got some serious questions.
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  Speaker 1: One more to finish this. Bob Melvin, is he going
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  Speaker 1: to get another game? You think he'll be in the.
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  Speaker 2: West because he's Arizona Giants, Oakland, San Diego.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: Rockies, Rockies. Maybe you think you're gonna get another gig.
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  Speaker 1: You don't think he's been doing it for a long time. Three.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's twenty something years, twenty five years or
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  Speaker 1: something managing.
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  Speaker 4: At this point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this with all due respect. I think sometimes
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: you could be a little past your prime. Where he
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: was thriving with the A's kind of had some up
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  Speaker 1: his ups and downs more talented rosters. He's never won
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: I know, a World Series. No, not close. I don't
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: think he's ever brought the team to the World Series, right,
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  Speaker 1: which one.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have been with? None of those teams I
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  Speaker 3: name made it.
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  Speaker 1: No, the A's had some nice runs during the season
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  Speaker 1: to get to the playoffs, but never went over the hump.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that was where he really shined with
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  Speaker 1: those types of teams. So maybe he's more of a
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: small market rebuild. Yeah, that was the bright shining moment.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, We'll see. I'm not sure. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if he definitely gets a gig, just throwing
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: it out there. The Pirate ordered more, Don Kelly. He
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: has been extended. I'm not surprised the Pirates did play
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: better under him and also Bob Nutting doesn't give him
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: a fuck.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I really like.
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  Speaker 3: Donkey, Yeah, I really, this is this is really honest.
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  Speaker 2: I do like Don Kelly a lot. He's a great guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's always been good to talk to. But without even
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: going out if they want to hire This kind of
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: goes back to the we talked about the White Sox
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  Speaker 2: and how they did it, like go outside the organization
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: at least, like you you can tell Don Kelly, look,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: we're gonna hire you, but we're just gonna talk to
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: these other people. But I don't know if maybe they
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: were thinking maybe Don Kelly could get a chance at
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: another job that might pay him more. See that's kind
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: of where you know what I'm saying, like, hey, don
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: we're gonna hire you, but we're just gonna interview some
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: other people just to get some ideas, and we can
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: use those ideas.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Free info for several days.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know. They playing flight the plane tickets were
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: too expensive to pay for people to come in with Pittsburgh.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. That does go against
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the budget, which would prevent them from signing play up.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: They don't do that. This is the Dodgers rotation. Game one,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Snell Game two, Yamamoto Game three, Otani. We also learned
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: that Kershaw is not going to be on the roster.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Any surprises here.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I thought Yamamoto would probably go game one, but I
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: get it. Snell has the pedigreen all that, And I
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: don't know what the Reds numbers exactly are against lefties,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: but I think they're much worse against lefties, so I
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: think that's why they're doing that. And then Otani game three,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: if it gets it would be very interesting. It gives
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: them the day off if they win, to get ready
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: for the next round. So I think this is kind
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: of what we expected. But the Reds haven't had a
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: lot of success against LA the last couple of years.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: We'll see and or Otani would start game one of
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: the next round if they get it done with two games. Yeah,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: that's what they said.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: At least that makes sense.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: The bigger question is after Hunter Green, who's pitching.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: For the Reds exactly?
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Tell baby, I guess, I guess that's a guy.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Bullpen Chase Burns couple innings if he's not used in
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Game one. Suitor B Suitor b okay aj our slab
• 17:11
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• 17:18
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• 17:20
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• 17:23
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• 17:28
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• 17:43
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• 18:07
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• 18:21
  Speaker 1: love to the Cincinnati Reds losing their way into the WAKA.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I'm kidding. They had a nice weekend. They
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: did fall in the final game, which was a must win,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: but the Mets weren't much more of a disaster. This
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: team's played five hundred ball for a while, but guess
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: what if you play five hundred ball for most of
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the season, you.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: Got a chance to make it into the playoffs. And
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: the Reds kept themselves enough in the mix. The Mets
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: also fell apart, and here they are to pick up
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: the pieces and face the Dodger.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Terry Frankcona and the Reds. I mean, listen, I bet
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: we talked about the stat I just said.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I did a game on Saturday.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: They hadn't beaten the Brewers thirteen straight series, I think
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: it was, and they win this series. They win the
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: first two games to put the pressure on the Mets,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: and the Mets couldn't do it because don't forget, the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Mets went into this series of the one game lead. Yes, right,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: so they win two out of three, they're probably in
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and they lose two out of three and that gets
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: into the tie, which gets him in. So I listen.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Tremendous job by Terry Francona managing the bullpen. The bullpen
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: has been incredible for the last month or so. Hunter
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Green's been great. Andrew Rabbits faded a little bit, but
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: he was great. All your Brady Singer has been really
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: good for him Latel's been good since they picked him up.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: They have Lodolo. They don't know what they're gonna.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Do with him.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: He pitched out of the bullpen yesterday. So listen.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: This Reds team, I don't know if they'll get very
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: far in the playoffs, but they deserve a ton of
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: credit for getting in.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I think their pitching can keep up with LA. The
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: offenses are rattic.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Spencer Steer has been good. Ellie's kind of got a
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: little bit better.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: But you've gotten better lately the last few weeks. Is
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: getting on base more. There's a little more oppostic field pop,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't look like the li were expecting. And
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: then Noel Martez had some nice moments at the plate. TJ.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Friedel gets on base, Yeah, that's it.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: They strike out so much though they strike out so
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: much against a team of the Dodgers that's built on striking.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: You to me, Kratz, if they're going to pull off
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: victories against the Dodgers, their pitching is gonna be nails
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: from start to finish. Right, You're gonna get like a
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: dominant Green start. We talked about how the bullpen's been
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: really good, and then you're gonna like scratch some of
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: those playoff runs together, right, Freedol gets on or Steer
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and Ellie creates some offense, or maybe they run they
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: get really aggressive against the catching corps for the Dodgers.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's to me, that's the only way, like
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I could see these games if Hunter Green comes out
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: and is just nails like he has been the last
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: two seasons. Yes, you know, maybe Nick Martinez gives them
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: some length and some games out of the pen, Like
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I just I don't. I don't know where they find
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: that offense that is going to be the biggest thing.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I think that the first I wish I remember the
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: four stats, but they're the first team to make the
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: playoffs without somebody that hit over two hundred, without over
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: twenty five.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: It was like two seventy twenty five homers, one hundred RBI's.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: And something still it was it was a.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Crazy and and two hundred strikeouts. They don't have anybody
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: like that. But you know what the beauty of the
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: playoffs is is you're the Dodgers. Do not get caught
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: saving sho Heo Tani. If you think Showotani is your
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: best option, don't get caught saving him. That's all I
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: got to say. Because the Reds can throw out some
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: pitchers that can strike some dudes out, and they're throwing
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: him in Game one. You win Game one, all of
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: a sudden, now you're like, all right, well we could
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: still win two games. But our bullpen is kind of shaky.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: And that's where I think the Reds could probably could
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: have a chance to take advantage of the Dodgers. Can
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: they build up enough of a pitch count for Blake
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Snell in the first game, for Yamamoto in the second
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: game where they then have to make tough decisions who
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: comes into the bullpen, and the Reds can do it,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: but the pitching needs to keep them in it because
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: they just don't see them getting more than two or
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: three runs against Blake Snell or Yamamoto, and.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like they're necessarily going to do piggyback action.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kershaw's not playing in this series. We already
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: know that maybe Emma Chien picks up some innings for them,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: but otherwise they're gonna have to see who's hot and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: who's not carrying it over from the regular season.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think that they want to do a piggybally.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: They've tried that in the past and hasn't worked. I
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: don't think that the piggyback is the way for them
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to do it. I think they need to go to
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the traditional Blake Snell give me six or seven, Yaalamoto,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: give me six or seven. Show, Hey, give me six
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: or seven.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: But then what last snow give me six or seven?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Then what does it look like?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Well, then you figure this them there. Messio obviously has
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: been their best option trying and you hope is fact
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Tanner Scott figures it out because he gets an adrenaline spying.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I I'm just saying that's what they're looking like for
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: this series. Again, I don't know that it's going to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: matter against the Reds, just because one through twenty six,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: the talent there is a talent gap there.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: And that's not a knock on the Reds guys. It
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: just is what it is.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: But when you get to the next round, we've got
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: to play the Phillies. That's when it's going to be like, okay,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: now what do we do?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yep?
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Obviously if they get there, yeah, I mean there's an if.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: There still is an if it's a.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Best of three. We've seen a lot of upsets in
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: this first round, so just keep that in mind. Last
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: part here, just on the Dodgers side, did you think
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Kershaw was gonna appear as a reliever though for them?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Pitched okay the other day, but I guess it's a
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: bounce back situation. So if he pitches once for an
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: inning or two, then he's not going to pitch again,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: so you're only getting an inning or two and a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: three gamer.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. Kind of happy the
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: way he ended it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: You think it should just be a great farewell at
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: home then in Seattle yesterday and that's it. Okay.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: I was so awesome how he ended it. But I
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: really thought he was going to be in the pan too.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Something had I don't know. We said it before our
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: show together like, I feel like, did he not recover
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: well because they made that decision. They're like, ah, right,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: well you're gonna start then in this meaningless game to
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: end the season if you're not because he threw out
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: of the pen, and then it was like if you
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: have him in the pen, you can't take up a
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: spot in a pen, and he goes, I can't go
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: back to back or you need to throw me three
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: innings and then I'll give you I need three days rest.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Like I felt like that decision seemed like it was
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: made pretty quickly and maybe this is just a DS thing.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know right things could change, or a wild
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: card because then DS, you've got a best of five,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: There's definitely a bounce back thing. Yeah, and his age,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: he was probably like I can't bounce back. Guys, you're
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: gonna need more than me.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Right, And they might need a lot of help depending on.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: They have glass Now down there. Imagine Glass now coming
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: in to close the game for three innings.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Dude, Well, the Reds are gonna get on base and
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: just try to steal. That's that's the game.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: That is true.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: That is true. There was a famous game with Glass.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Now against Elu, I think he stole like four bases
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: off them or something.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: If it gets on, it's just go yeah, it's like, no,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: he's not evenna wait any time, Oh you're on li,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: just just go. It's gonna be like just the third
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: base coach is gonna be like whenever you're ready.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Go yep, it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be goodest. Hey,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: we're back and the Astros are not back in October
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: for the first time since twenty sixteen, almost a decade
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of Astro's playoff baseball and Astro's dominating the Al West.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: We knew that wasn't going to happen in the last
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: week when the Mariners went on a run over the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: last few weeks. But crats, Are you surprised that they crumbled,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: especially against some competition that you think they could have handled,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: or did you say, hey, this is one of the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: only teams in baseball that really was missing superstars and
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out with what they had left the scraps?
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they always prided themselves in having a
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: young corps that seemed like they played every single day.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Those guys got hurt. I mean, the guys that they
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: took from the Kyle Tucker trade. Cam Smith had a
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: good stretch of the season where he was good. He
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: started out rough and then it was really good, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: then it kind of you know, the season is long
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: when you have a young guy playing in those positions.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Parades missed the last part of the season and came back.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: It wasn't one hundred percent healthy. They played the whole
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: season without your don But really, did the Astros just
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: put themselves in this situation. They could have resigned Bragman.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: They do spend a lot of money. I'm not saying
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: they don't. They could have. They know what kind of
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: winner he was and is, and they could have kept
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Tucker for one more year and got a draft pick.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: They chose not to. It looked like it was gonna
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: work out for him, and it didn't. The Mariners caught
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: up to him.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Also, if they took care of more bas against Sacramento
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and the Angels, the Tigers gave them a nice lane.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it just wasn't meant to be this year
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: for the Astros. I mean, you lose, we just heck,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: we just went through it with the Mets. That's look
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: at what the Astros lost, Hater their closer they're arrested
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: or Alvarez. Yeah, Parade's their their third baseman who they
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: were counting on. Jeremy Penyam is a significant chunk of time.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I mean their starters. Hunter Brown was great, from Berg,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: was Fromberg.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: He fell apart late for the most good ones.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: And then he went crazy for a little while, right,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: But I mean they lost Arraghetty, who they were counting on.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: They lost a lot of guys they were counting on,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: and that's not an excuse, but it was just time,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: like this is why it's so hard to win in baseball.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And they still finished with eighty seven wins matched with
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the Tigers. They just lost the tie breaker, so one
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: more win like Friday night they lost the two homer
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: trout game. If they win that game, they're in the
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: playoffs over the Tigers.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Big, big losses they tried to cover for. I mean,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I think they'll be back in it again next year,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: or back in the race again next year.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I'm just surprised with all that they had a lane
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: one game in Sacto or one game against the Angels
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: here and they would have been in Let's preview the
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Tigers and the Guardians who are going to play some
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: early action coming up in these wild card games. I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: feel like they knew that was common. They're gotting to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: one o'clock East Coast time game in the slot when
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you have you know what A one, A three, A six,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and uh eight or nine? Yeah, so hey, this is
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be fun. The games that we've seen from these
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: two teams the last couple of weeks have been really good.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Game one school Ball against Williams. I'm assuming again we just.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Saw it, saw it and they did what you said.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: The last couple of weeks in that matchup, they haven't
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: exactly beat Schoogle well, first when they just last them.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: The second one they short, they small balled into death?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: What do they I mean if listen, if I'm the Guardians,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I go into the saying, man, we rattled the best
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: pitcher in baseball by bunting and stealing and doing all
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: kinds of goofiness. Guess what first bat of the game,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Steven Kuangun.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I think some of the other guys
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: should be bunting.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: True, get quant on base havoc, That's what I'm saying.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal had fair territory, and he did all of
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: his previews, so check that out after our show if
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: you'd like. He said, this is one of the worst
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: offenses of all time. To make the postseason, right, you
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: have more postseason slots nowadays, that's part of it. But
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: their ranks in terms of offense are really really bad.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Now we look at ranks for the entire season. Things
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: do change, be better, yes, but that's where the Tigers
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: have an edge. Right, they should have a little bit
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of a better line.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Talk about team that strikes out too much. I just
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: said the red strike out a lot. Look at the Tigers.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Tigers strike first against Kevin Williams, oh boy, because.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: He throws a curveball. They can't hit a curveball, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: they're not gonna be hit in a day sunlight, when
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: the shadows start creeping in. It's gonna be the pillow
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: fight and the sponge Bob game. Whenever we play at
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: twelve o'clock game. In the minor leagues, there was always
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: a SpongeBob game because it's a bunch of kids there
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: and they were like always playing SpongeBob SquarePants song. And
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: these two teams aren't hitting like they aren't hitting, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: they have to face two legit pitchers. It just it doesn't.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: It doesn't make for must see TV, except for the
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: fact that Terrek Scoogle's.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Gone pillow fight in the SpongeBob game.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But here's the thing, listen, that's good. The Guardians
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: have actually swung the battle up better they have. I mean,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you got to you gotta look at their numbers.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Lately. They've been a lot better. The Tigers are.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: We all talk about the Mets. The Tigers are thinking
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the Mets because they blew the largest lead of all
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: time to not win the division. Now, they got in
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: because of the extra wildcard, but they had a fifteen
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and a half game lead over the Guardians and blew it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: They had like a ten game lead at the beginning
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: of September and lost It's they had the worst record
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: of all time in September of a team to make
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the postseason. Like, they're not going in with any momentum.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: They're momentum is all right. We have Trek Scubel and
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: then Casey Maiz and Jack Felaherty and a bullpen that's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: been getting whacked around the yard for last month and
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: a half. The Guardians have all the momentum. We got
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Austin Hedges up there doing all the kind of cheerleading
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: stuff on the rail. And I mean, Cleveland, show up.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Cleveland, show up for these three games.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, they will show up.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying please, because you guys can be great.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And show up. Detroit punted on the Sunday game for
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Schooble to pitch in this series because maybe Scooble wins
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: on Sunday and then the series is at home. But
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: we did that question of the Week last week that
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you brought up. You need Schooble school is he's the
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: most advantage player on a team in the playoffs. Now,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: he's the one.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: He's probably the well, I will say the most important,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: but he's for his team. He's probably the most important
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: player on his team.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah MVP. Wait, wait, shouldn't he get MVP votes? Then
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: if he's the most valuable player.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: You should get I'm not gonna win MVP.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I mean the fans I'm talking. I'm not talking about
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the players.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the fans.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Fans have to take a longer lunch break. It's a
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: lunchtime game.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Everybody can take off work for a one o'clock but
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: somebody's got to do it. Not every game is going
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to be prime time, and if you keep advancing, you'll
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: eventually get the prime time Guardians took on the Yankees
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: last year. Then you get a little prime time prime time.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Then.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the Tigers lost twelve of thirteen through the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: middle of July, remember that tough stretch out of the
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: All Star break, and then eleven of twelve through the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: middle of last week. I mean, those are some really,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: really bad times. And meanwhile, the Guardians this month twenty
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and seven, they're hot. Now, statistically, like I was talking
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: about with the offense, guess how many players with at
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: least twenty games this season have an above average offensive
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: performance for the year. That means over one hundred ops
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: plus one hundred Guess how many?
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Three?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Two?
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Only two only didn't make it.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I don't have the names, but I think, yeah, Ramirez
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and in Kwan, Yeah, I think so. Did Quan finish
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: above it?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Who's the other one?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: No, I don't. I only had the number, not the names.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I should have. Kuan finished at ninety six.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Who's the other one?
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Probably Mansard is my guest, right Let me double check
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: real quick. Love doing stats on the fly here, but
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I set myself up for that one. Yeah, Mansard. So
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: those are the two. That's it. Everybody else The winner
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: be interesting winter Faces.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: The Mariners winters got to travel to Seattle, which is
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: going to be unbelievable atmosphere.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Who do you think wins this? Who do you do
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you think that the Guardians had the edge because of
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: what they do.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Think in my head, in my everything in my heart
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: is the Tigers should win this series, just because if
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you look at all the stats and everything, but then
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: just you go back to they just played each other
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: twice and the Guardians win I think five out of six, and.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: The playoff worthy games.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Playoff games, the Guardians won five out of six. The
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Guardians beat him last year. Again, everything says the Tigers
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: should win. But there's also a big part of my
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: heart that's like the Guardians are gonna win because they
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: just don't want to win.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I also just think for me, Kratz, my head
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: thinks Guardians, which is why I'll probably go with Tigers,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: because that's just how these kind of wildcard matchups go,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: where you're like, Tigers have no momentum, they haven't beat Cleveland,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and do you really think they're gonna keep losing schoobl games?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: What They've lost like three or four of his last start.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, eventually he's just going to have one where
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: it's like there's no duck snorts and he pitches seven
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: or eight shutty and he gets a homer or two
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and then they're up one zero in the series and
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: they got to win one more.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of dominated the Guardians. I know
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: they've beaten them the last two times. I'm trying to
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: think the other time, the third start this year against them,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: You think that first start, I mean, he's gone thirteen strikeouts,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: eight strikeouts, nine strikeouts, ten strikeouts against them. To me,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: I think, and I guess I'm putting too much weight
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: on the first game. I'm thinking the Tigers take the series.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I really, I really think that. I think there's somebody
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: on their offense is gonna step up, or the matchup
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: is favorable to a Tigers hitter, like a like a
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Kerry Carpenter, like a like a Parker Meadows, because they
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: can't just keep matching up and winning those battles. If
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: you're the Guardians, they have the Yeah, I know they
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: have message.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: He's like that was that his big thing over fresh season?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Fresh season, we.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Have to say that. Every team says that. That gets
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: in kind of back doors. They're winning. Oh it's a
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: new season, let's go guys. The teams that are hot
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: on the stretch, the guardians are like, oh, it's a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: new season. They're like, let's keep it going.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: But the rare let's keep me going, dude. Two years ago,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: the Rangers had a bad last week and then that
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: made them have to not win the division and go
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay and we're like, oh, they're probably gonna
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: do nothing. And then they got hot as hell. Remember
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: they were not hot, No, they kind of fell in,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: and then they won the World Series. I'm not saying
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that's happening here. I'm just saying I don't buy a
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: lot of momentum. Maybe we'll do a momentum momentum in October. Yes,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: momentum from regular season. I think that's a different season.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: That's me and there's some research to back that up,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: which we can talk about tomorrow.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: I talked to somebody with the Tigers and they said
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: I truly had one hundred percent belief that we were
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: going to get in until the Nacho Alvarez game. Then
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: I thought we were cursed, is exactly. I just went
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: back and read his text and he was like, I
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: thought the Nacho Alvarez game was cursed if you're not
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: a Tigers fan. Nacho Alvarez had zero home runs on
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: the season. He hit two against them, and it looked
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: like that was the game that was going to knock
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: the Tigers out of it, and it was like just
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: a bad stretch. So they're being honest. They're a real
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: team and it's played by human beings the Tigers. I
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: think the Tigers on paper are a better team. That's it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Congrats to the Blue Jays, first Al East crown since
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. We'll sprinkle in some Blue Jays talking this
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: next segment too, but we'll also preview the Red Sox
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and the Yankees. It was a fun game to watch yesterday.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: The city knew what was at stake. That's the thing is,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: for all their games in the last week and a
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: half or so, the city knew what was at stake, right, like,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: we need to take a division. They've also seen a
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: lot of heartbreak crats. They've lost three wild card rounds
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: in a row. They're like, we need to avoid this
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: best out of three crap and move on, and they did.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: We did. It wasn't just the fans. I mean to
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: go back to what George Springers said, Oh might as
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: well just give the give the American League East to
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: the Yankees. And I think the last game, the last
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: series here, it truly looked like they were like, screw
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: who's behind us, We're beating the team in front of us,
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: and they put their best foot forward. They came out
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: and they banged. In the last game, they came out
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: and they hit home runs. A team that doesn't hit
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: home runs actually hit home runs. And so I think
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: it's something that it almost seemed like it was a
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: different shift of like, oh no, what's gonna go wrong
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: looking or instead all right, how are we going to
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: win this game? Who's gonna step up? What's the next spot?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: They lost six of seven, and then they finished the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: year winning four in a row, and they had to
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: win all four of those games, as the Yankees won
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: eight in a row to end the year. Good for them,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Good for.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: The Blue Jays, yea, happy for the Blue Jays, Happy
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: for John Schneider, what do you say the sky is
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: not effing falling. I told you all this Skuy is
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: not effing falling. Right, he was right. But also at
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: the same time, now they get a nice break. They
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: used Golsman because they wanted to win the division. They
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: get the nice break, and here they are. They're set up.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: They can set their pitching up, they can set up
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: how they want to play, and they get a nice break.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: And trust me, teams that say they don't want the
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: break are lying because everybody wants his nice break. Aaron
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Boom said it, yeah, we want the break. We want
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to win the division and get the break absolutely, because
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: he gives you a chance to set everything up the win,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't guarantee you're gonna win, but it helps you.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: For me, forget about multi inning guy. Treya Savage has
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: to be starting games for me. He did another five innings,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: shut out five k's. I want him in the rotation.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: He should be in the top three for me, right,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: gossmand him sureser am I missing someone. Brios is hurt.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Bassett is still hurt. As far as I know, they're
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: still figuring out what his deal is. It's those three.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, and Bieber, that's her four and.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Lower is a longo.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think sure, just starts in the first series.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: In the DS. I don't know, So go Bieber. You
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: don't get this savage right?
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: It all has the extra day off the game.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, we'll get into that, dude. All right, we got
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: a few minutes to get to the Padres and the Cubs.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: And this just in for FT fans. Padres Cubs postgame
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: show live on the FT YouTube channel. So we're looking
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: forward to that one. That game starts exactly when FT
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: ends on Tuesday, three o'clock Eastern time, and then should
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: end whatever five point thirty ish, depending on how things go.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: So we'll have a postgame show. Kate Horton out for
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: this series A J. I cannot emphasize how much of
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: a blow that is to the Cubs. Do you feel
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the same way?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Well, they showed us pitching first, right, yeah, and then
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: boyd I'm guessing did they lay it out and then
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: tie on Game three.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Or bullpen tie on like ty on plus bullpen action
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: shor at least, Kate.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Horton has been one of the best pitchers in the
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: National League in the second half of the season. If
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: you don't know his numbers, check him out before he
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: heard his ribs. Maybe remember when he pitched the game,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: we said, why do only go three? Well, apparently he
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: had a broken rib. We didn't know that. We thought
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: they were just saving him. But he had broken ribs.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And listen, he was one of the best pitchers in
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the second half in all of baseball. So, yes, this
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: is a big blow for them.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: He would have started Game one.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because the Vinagha hasn't been great and Boyd
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: hasn't been great in the second half either.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Do you know how it happened? He was sick and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: then it was from like a cough for a sneeze
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: or something like that, and then it messed up the rib.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, this kid has been electric in the
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: second half of this good. He's been the best rookie
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: starting pitcher or best rookie pitcher in the National League.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: But krats, they won't have them. Do you think that
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: affects things enough to tilt the way you look at
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: this series?
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean I thought the Padres are gonna win
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: it anyway. I just think it would have been much tougher.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: You face a guy like that early, especially a guy
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: he doesn't strike out a ton of batters, and the
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Padres don't strike out. To me, that when those two
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: things match up, that's when the advantage goes to the
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: pitcher in my opinion, because when you face a team
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: that doesn't strike out much and you have a guy
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: that's relying on off or I mean on strikeouts, they
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: just put the ball in play and that pitcher can't,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: like play his game. I thought that was going to
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: be a really tough matchup, and I thought he was
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: going to go Game one and shout that gives him
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: a different look, even though it's from the left side
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: and they hit the lefties. Well, I thought the Padres
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: have a slight advantage because of that bullpen shortening games.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: This definitely gives them a major advantage.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Padres don't hit lefties. I thought.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Padres don't hit left hit lefties?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Did I say they do hit lefties? I don't hit
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the Padres don't hit lefties. That's the one thing they
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: do have going for him is they have him ana and.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Void right, so you try and kryptonite them with that.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: What did I do? Did I say they do hit lefties?
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I was reading about won while you guys were chatting.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: So they don't hit the Padres don't hit lefties.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Right and so, by the way, because I was looking
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: at one of our North Side Territory guys, Patrick Mooney
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: said he's shut down for the foreseeable future with the
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: fractured rib.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know when he's going to be back.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: You gotta be careful too.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Jason Hayward has the highest batting average for the Padres
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: verse lefties this year. Where do he at hey hit
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: two forty four the six ninety ops Verus lefties this year.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: They're a huge home road split team this year, the
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Padres gigantic.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, well the actually the ops and stuff is very similar.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: But the wins.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the record there.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: They're thirty eight and forty three on the road, fifty
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: twenty nine at home.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: That's more of what Pecho is. Pecko's I understand, freaking
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: their place.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a Paveta Darvish king. Is that what
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: they're doing.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: It's definitely Paveta. Games told us the other day, no cease, cease. Well,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: look they might have said it, they haven't said it yet. No, Okay,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: so we'll see, Hey, we just learned from Gabrielle Star
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: does a great job covering the Red Sox that Lucas
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Giolito will not be on the wildcard roster. He's got
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: an elbow issue, so he's going to see a doctor
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: who performed surgery on him in March twenty twenty four
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: when he missed a year.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: I've hurt.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: He's not one of their best. So who's going to
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: be the third starter because he was going to be
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: the third guy? Beyo bullpen bullpen for three for Game
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: three in a wildcard.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: If it gets her, I mean you can technically star
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: pressure on Crochet. Yeah, you can start totally or early,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: or I would start totally without spending a lot of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: time on the research yet to see everything totally at
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium. It's not going to give a crap no.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Two things I want to get to you. One is
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: run differential. Now that the season's over, I would like
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: to bring up how fucking stupid run differential is. Cleveland
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: won the divisions minus six Kansas City didn't make the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: playoffs plus fourteen. Toronto won the division plus seventy seven
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: second place Yankees plus one sixty four third place Boston
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: plus one ten. Remember the other day when Toronto lost
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: twenty to one, and then give a shit, that's twenty
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: or nineteen runs against their run differential? Run differential is
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: so stupid. What does it tell you? This team's probably good,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: this team's probably not to tell you, I think wars
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: at least a little better.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Except you can't if you No one can figure out
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: how it's calculated. And there's two different ones, so choose
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: your one. But other than that, it's a great step.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Do you agree we should rely on everything for do
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: you agree run differentially super differential? It gives you a
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: somewhat of a broad outline of much like war gives
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: you a broad outline of who's good. By the way,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: do you know who led the National League in War
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: this year?
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Perdomo?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: For fangrafts. Is that where you're going off of?
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Which one?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know one of them? Perdomo. You could have
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: bet a lot of people that don't know baseball a
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: lot of money that he would have led the league
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: in War, the National League over.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Right, show he wasn't even second in the National League,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you know, second? No Trey Turner, who just came back,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: by the way, for the Phillies won the batting title. Yeah,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: because we didn't get to talk about the Phillies much.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I don't no l eight innings, So Phillies didn't got
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: much attention last few years.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: But Phillies are a problem.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: They're a problem. Dodgers' territory is going to try and
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: figure out the bullpen situation, so they need thirty minutes
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: for that. Crafts hats.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Christopher Sanchez has a higher war than Paul Skeeves, so
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: he should win the cy.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Young pitching word. Don't get me started. Why Yankees today?
• 47:03
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• 47:06
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• 47:13
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• 47:16
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• 47:21
  Speaker 1: There's a Pro Football boost pack and three ways to
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: boot your odds for your next bet. Activate one of
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: those boost tokens running Pro Football bet because there's a
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: little money net football tonight. If you're a New Yorker
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: and you unfortunately root for the Mets and the Jets,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: maybe you should just hit BETAMGM instead and receive a
• 47:35
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• 47:38
  Speaker 1: boost pack, gambling problem. More concern, called one eight hundred
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: gambler