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Does the amount of time you spend ghost hunting actually matter? · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  Coming up... If Waverly Hills came a -knockin'
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  and hired us, paid us money to spend a year there,
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  we'd be like, hell yeah. A year? At Waverly?
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  Who would turn that down? We typically only really
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  investigate for a night. Every now and then we've
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  done like a two -night investigation or something
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  like Piercini we go back to multiple times to
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  create a project, but never have we done a consecutive,
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  like, full... uh investigation longer than like
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  24 hours straight you know uh so so i it made
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  me wonder all these people talk and there's some
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  great movies out there like the haunting lodge
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  where they got you know literally camped out
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  at this haunted lodge and investigated there
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  for i think two weeks straight we all agree we
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  would want to do that and it would be cool but
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  Would it have a purpose? I'll explain my thought
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  process here, okay? We live in a haunted apartment.
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  We know, Ang, that we, you know, living here,
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  paranormal activity doesn't happen, like, 85
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  -95 % of the time. Like, nothing happens. Once
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  a month, it seems, like... The haunted objects,
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  the activity is like, hey, I'm still here. And
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  then there's a flurry of activity. Then it kind
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  of quiets down. Yeah, yeah. It's like, I'm still
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  here. Pay attention to me once in a while. Exactly.
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  But like 85, 90 % of the time, nothing happens.
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  And a lot of people we know that live in haunted
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  places agree. Activity is rare, but when it happens,
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  it seems to happen in a flurry. We see haunted
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  locations like Simpson Hospital. They post clips
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  all the time. But... activity isn't happening
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  24 7 it's like you go on any haunted location
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  their pages they don't have just because they
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  live there or work there or run the page they
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  don't have you know 24 7 worth of content they
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  have just as much content as anyone else that
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  investigates there for a night them being there
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  the whole week surrounding their one isolated
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  investigation doesn't really make a difference
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  so i ponder the question if this is how it seems
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  to be realistically for people Is there a difference
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  or would there actually be a benefit? What are
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  the benefits of investigating somewhere if we
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  could for, let's say, a week straight? Would
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  the activity be any different or at an increased
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  volume than if we were there for just an hour,
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  two hours? I think it's a great question to think
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  about. Welcome to our podcast, where we take
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  deep dives looking at various topics through
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  a paranormal lens. I mean, you got pros and cons
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  for both. My first thought being, yeah, it would
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  be great to stay in a location for a full week
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  and like... do recordings and do videos and try
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  to capture stuff because i feel like i mean we've
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  talked about um residual hauntings being being
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  more about like timing and being in the right
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  place at the right time and if you're there the
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  whole time then it'll you're more likely to catch
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  something but my thought is also who is going
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  to listen to and watch all of those recordings
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  because it sure as heck ain't gonna be me nope
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  um i have the attention span of a gerbil when
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  it comes to reviewing evidence um so good point
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  especially when you multiply it by like multiple
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  angles and recordings that's you know one week
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  turns into four weeks worth of content because
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  you have four cameras yeah exactly so That's
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  also one of my big brain things that it's like,
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  maybe we don't need to spend a week in a location
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  because who's going to review that? I just don't
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  have the attention to be able to. Because with
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  going over evidence or going over recordings
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  and videos, it's like you have to be attentive
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  because you blink and you miss it. Or you zone
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  out for a second, you miss it. And so you can't
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  just have something going on in the background
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  or reading something while you're listening to
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  it. You have to be in the moment listening and
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  watching. I'm a person who multitasks. I can't
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  multitask and go over evidence. Having to sit
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  down and purposely pay attention to one thing
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  kills me. I love doing stuff while I watch TV.
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  You can't listen to an EVP recording while watching
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  TV. I will say editing helps. If we film something
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  and it's like the climax of the investigation,
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  I know there's going to be stuff in that footage
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  and I'm editing it. I don't need to review it
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  and then edit it later. Editing serves as the
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  reviewing. But you're not using a week's worth
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  of static, just a camera in a room hoping to
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  catch something. So you wouldn't be editing all
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  that. And I think that would be the thing with
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  staying in a location for a long period of time
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  is it is going to be 98 % static. Like you're
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  like, like we've said, you're, you're going to
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  have your, it's, it's the right place at the
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  right time. And who's to say that that week you
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  stay there is going to be the right time. Well,
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  I think you hit the nail on the head. I think
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  I said that right this time. All investigations
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  have some degree of right place at the right
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  time. How many investigations have we gone on
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  where, you know, it's a famous place, they're
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  booked pretty much every night. The investigation
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  team that came in the night before had a bunch
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  of stuff happen. We get all excited and nothing
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  happens for us. In the span of one night difference,
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  even if... you know, we're asking the same questions
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  and whatnot, could have an impact. So every investigation
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  we do, if we investigate for an hour, if we investigate
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  for two hours, if we investigate for a week straight,
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  it's all just hoping that we're there when the
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  activity happens. Which raises a question. Side
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  note, would the activity happen without us? Sounds
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  like it, right? I mean, if it's entirely possible,
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  I mean, especially residual energy is going to
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  happen whether or not you're there. Like, yeah,
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  if it's the right place at the right time thing,
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  that's making me think that regardless of those
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  people there or not, the activity is going to
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  happen when it happens. It's just a matter of.
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  Are there people to document it to make it? It's
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  like if a tree falls in the woods and nobody's
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  around to see or hear it, does it still make
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  a sound? Like it's the exact same conundrum.
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  Yeah. So I think one of the like a really good
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  example of this sort of situation that we're
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  talking about is thinking back to the state house,
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  which is one of our. more recent larger investigations
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  because we were there from what was it 6 p .m
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  until 10 a .m 10 a .m and that's a that's a long
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  chunk of time like a lot of like good amount
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  like a lot of places that host these events that
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  you can uh have a private investigation or stay
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  at for an extended period of time it's mostly
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  like Max eight hours. Yeah, no, no, don't mistake.
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  Throw you out to the wolves at five in the morning.
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  Go buy a hotel because you already spent a thousand
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  dollars to reserve this place and we won't let
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  you stay here for two more fucking nights. So
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  stupid. yeah so stupid anyways so we were there
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  for a really long chunk of time and our tour
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  guide when we got there was had showed us like
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  a lot of really cool evidence the one that i'm
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  calling back to is the actual shadow figure hand
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  that he caught in the basement reaching towards
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  the rem pod that was like less of a shadow figure
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  and more of an actual solid hand that you could
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  see it was the coolest evidence capture i've
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  ever seen It hyped us up. We're like, okay, there's
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  a lot of stuff that happens here. And we didn't
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  have a lot that happened on this investigation.
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  It's not saying it's not haunted. Absolutely
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  not. But even though we were there for a long
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  time. It seemed like more than any other place
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  we've ever investigated. It seemed very residual.
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  We've talked about this many times. The only
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  thing that was a direct response was when you
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  asked, can you mimic this? yeah and we've talked
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  at length about how we think mimics are like
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  residual energy and whatnot but yeah that's a
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  different episode go listen to whatever what
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  episode uh let's see here mimics go listen to
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  episode 42 okay back to this topic um what we
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  were saying oh yeah so it was very residual it
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  was very residual and um It was very much the
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  case of there was a flurry of activity at one
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  point, but again, if we were there for only an
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  hour, we still would have encountered that flurry
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  of activity. Now, if we were there for a week,
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  there would have possibly been multiple flurries
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  of activity and multiple instances of activity,
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  right? But it won't be nonstop. I'm also reminded
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  of another experience we've talked about here.
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  um at madison seminary we were there for like
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  24 hours straight yeah and it was right at the
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  end as we were packing up that and this was like
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  9 10 in the morning that we heard a disembodied
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  voice bellowing throughout the whole like reverb
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  echo everything in in the building i'm here in
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  the prism we weren't filming we weren't recording
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  it was at the very end so if you are there for
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  a week there's no way that you would be on your
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  game recording being in an investigative mindset
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  24 7 for a week straight like this is not we
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  all fizzle out we do what's like an ideal period
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  of investigating of like max um attentiveness
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  and no like straying from the mission so to speak
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  like what's our like ideal time of like if we
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  go in we'll be focused for x amount of time guaranteed
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  because every even nighttime investigation like
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  the state house we took a couple brain breaks
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  a couple naps and stuff i'm gonna say like three
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  hours yeah yeah it takes a half second to get
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  in that headspace you know it does It takes a
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  hot minute to get in the headspace, and then
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  you get in the headspace, and then you start
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  getting tired, and then we'll play a game, and
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  that rejuvenizes us, and we get going. But then
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  sometimes that burst of energy from us lasts
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  maybe an hour. I feel like we're old people sometimes,
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  because it's like, man, we can't do all -nighters.
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  We do. But we can. We can. We can. But man, we're
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  so tired by the end of it. Or at least I am.
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  No, I am too. It's not like we were saying we
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  don't know what people are talking about really
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  when they say paranormal hangovers, but it's
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  really just, you know, you're very tired. Yeah,
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  when people say paranormal hangovers, I'm pretty,
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  like, I don't know. Like, how do you get weirdly
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  affected by ghost activity? I don't know. I feel
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  like it's just lack of sleep. Well, I've been
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  so tired I hallucinate stuff. We've all been
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  there. What have you hallucinated? Oh, there
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  was one time we were driving back. I wasn't driving.
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  I was a passenger from an investigation. At like
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  6 in the morning after essentially pulling an
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  all -nighter. And I was seeing people on the
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  side of the road waving that weren't there. Did
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  you sleep? I did after that, yeah. No, he's been
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  awake ever since Angela. No, but going back,
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  like, if three hours is our peak, really we can
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  think of any investigation as, or any ideal investigation,
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  if it's a night, if it's, again, a week, doesn't
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  matter the length. For us, Any duration would
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  just be a series of three -hour intervals. We'd
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  be going at it for three hours, taking a break,
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  going at it for three hours, taking a break.
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  So we are essentially viewing or framing investigations
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  as setting up three -hour windows for activity
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  to happen. Is this a matter of, is this a three
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  -hour window? the right window and we've we've
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  been on so many investigations too where we say
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  it's the most haunted place ever then one of
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  our friends go and they don't experience anything
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  but like what the heck are you talking about
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  like weirdo yeah but but real investigators know
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  that even the most haunted places are not 24
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  7 so i mean if we had all the time and money
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  in the world to be able to you know spend a month
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  at one of these places it would just be providing
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  more opportunities to be there when it happens
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  i think as opposed to oh my god we're gonna have
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  so many experiences not necessarily are you gonna
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  be is are you opening that window at the right
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  time i feel like it's also just like it would
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  be a vibe to go to a place and stay there for
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  multiple days it's like you're camping out in
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  a haunted place like think how cool that would
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  be oh 100 this is not a topic about like what
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  do we do it 100 we drop everything no i'm just
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  saying like my my thing is like is it worth it
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  and my my my mind is like oh 100 oh yeah yeah
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  imagine the experiences we would have yeah yeah
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  it's 100 worth it if we're saying from a paranormal
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  perspective what would it be would you be having
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  more experiences just because you're there longer
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  I mean, in theory, yes. But also at the same
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  time, not necessarily true. Well, if we're making
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  a film, let's say about... Let's just use Statehouse
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  again. We did. We made a short film called Beware
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  the Haunted Bathtubs. It's streaming on Paraflux
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  right now. You can go watch it. We filmed it
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  at the Statehouse. Best film in the world, people.
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  Best film. That's only 10 minutes long. Good
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  for gerbil attention spanners. Yeah. Good for
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  the people who can't sit through and look through
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  evidence. Yes, it's only 10 minutes. You can't
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  really miss it. But let's say we went to the
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  state house and we investigated there for a week
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  straight. And would the film that we made really
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  be any different? I mean, maybe this isn't the
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  best example because we made a 10 minute short
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  film, but let's say we were going and we're going
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  to make like a half hour short, no matter what.
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  If it's going to be a half hour, no matter what
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  happens, a lot, a little, it's going to be a
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  half hour. Would us being there for a week versus
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  a night versus two nights versus two hours, would
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  it make a better film? Just based on activity,
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  just based on not, I mean, obviously if you have
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  all the time in the world, you can get some really
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  cool shots and stuff. That's not what I'm talking
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  about. Talking about just based on the activity.
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  I don't know, man. We might be able to get, like,
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  put in a few extra things of really cool activity
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  that might have happened, but, like, in the big
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  scheme of things, it's not going to add, like,
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  an hour, you know? It might add on a few minutes
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  of things that we captured, but nothing extraordinary.
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  And it's probably going to be very basic captures.
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  I think the... bigger question is here is so
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  we're talking a lot about capturing evidence
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  what about just experiencing stuff in general
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  like like i think that's a big thing too because
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  like a lot of the things we do like not when
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  we go on these big investigations and the goal
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  is to make some sort of documentary film short
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  film we do a lot of investigations where we don't
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  record, like maybe we'll do some audio recordings
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  or short little videos on our phones, but our
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  purpose there is not to record stuff. It's just
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  to have the experiences. Yeah. So I feel like
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  putting it in the mind mindset of, Oh, if we're
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  trying to just make a 30 minute film, like it
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  doesn't really matter. Like, are we going to
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  have more experiences or not? Like. it's or are
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  we going to capture more stuff or not like it's
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  two different things so i yeah that's a good
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  point and we're not evidence people we none of
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  what we do hinges on evidence i just my answer
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  to that would be even if we had more experiences
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  it would just be a matter of different experiences
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  the film would be the same it's just a matter
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  of when you're there for a night you're gonna
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  have your one or two experiences and that's like
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  you're forced to work with that if you're there
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  for a week you might have three maybe four experiences
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  you have more options profound experiences it
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  could be a profound experience yeah there could
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  be a profound it could just be equal though and
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  you just swap one in for another if you're making
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  a film or something i just think you regardless
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  you're just providing more opportunities for
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  that to happen and like angela said it would
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  be a good experience as it's like not paranormal
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  experience it's like an amazing experience soaking
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  it all in documenting the place really understanding
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  how it feels to be there for an extended you'd
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  essentially be living there yeah just be there
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  and existing and being with the people you love
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  hopefully and yeah just living enjoying life
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  at a really cool location oh that's kind of sentimental
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  i don't know i don't know do you have anything
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  else to add to this because i was just thinking
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  like it would be a great experience from a paranormal
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  perspective i don't think it would really add
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  much to any potential uh paranormal strictly
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  related encounters we have or that we're able
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  to document but it would be an all -around amazing
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  experience and i'm just denying that yeah okay
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  i got a question yeah If we did have the opportunity
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  to stay at any haunted location for a whole week,
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  what would you guys choose? Honestly, haven't
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  been there. Would love to go there and investigate.
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  And I think it would be the perfect place to
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  stay for like a whole week. Would be Billy Creek.
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  Ooh, dude, that place be perfect because it's
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  like a village. It's a whole village. So like
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  you really do need that amount of time to actually
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  investigate the whole place. You could probably
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  spend a night in two buildings each or something.
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  That's so funny because my mind went in the complete
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  opposite direction. Oh, really? If we spend a
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  week somewhere, it's got to be like a small place
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  like a house so we can really just focus on every
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  spot and not miss anything for the whole week.
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  See, that's my thinking. If you go to Billy Creek
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  or really any haunted village that has multiple
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  buildings, you can spend a night in one to two
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  buildings, set that time aside investigating
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  that one building, and then the last few days
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  of the week, by the time you're done with all
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  the buildings, you can decide which ones you
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  had the most activity in, which being, like we've
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  said, it's a hit or miss night, depending on...
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  But if you had a lot of activity in one building,
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  you're definitely going to want to go back there,
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  right? And then we know where to focus our time
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  on next time, too. What would you pick, Ange?
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  I don't know. I'm thinking some sort of prison.
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  Would be really cool. That was my other thought,
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  too, but I don't - Like, a ginormous prison.
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  Like, we really - We wouldn't really get the
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  true jail experience, but, like - You'd get -
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  Actually, it's just - Do you want the true jail
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  experience, Xander? Because we could probably
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  lock you in a cell for a week. Okay, so you would
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  go to Billy Creek Village. You would go to a
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  haunted, um - Jail. Prison of some sort. You
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  know what was coming to my mind, randomly? Hmm?
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  I've never been there. I don't think we've ever
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  talked about it. I've never even thought about
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  wanting to go there, to be honest, but it just
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  popped in my mind when you asked that. Don't
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  you say Waverly Hills now? No. Oh, okay. If I
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  could spend a week living in any haunted location,
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  I, my brain went straight to Lizzie Borden's
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  house. Interesting. What, Ange? I just remember
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  going there as a kid. You went there? i went
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  there as a kid oh god i don't know maybe it was
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  really creepy because i went there as like because
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  i was a kid but i don't know it's just it's just
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  creepy you you're going to these exact locations
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  where people got brutally murdered and then you
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  can still see the blood stains of the victims
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  and it's creepy you know it's creepy the attic
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  i remember was really creepy yeah you can still
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  see like is it like real blood stains or yeah
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  yeah like if you go down in the basement you
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  shine the black light on it you can see the blood
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  stains and of the blood seeping through the floors
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  when you were a kid you went to lizzie borden's
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  house with a black light and you're like this
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  is real they had a black light and they showed
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  us but i also remember as a kid they would they
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  would um they passed the photos around of the
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  crime scene photos and a stranger just handed
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  me the crime scene photos of the guy who got
• 23:44
  who got killed on the couch and it was like really
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  gruesome and you can like see his eyeball on
• 23:49
  his cheek and everything like that and his face
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  all axed up a kid shouldn't have looked at that
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  no probably not this is like your origin story
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  Do you remember anything before that point? I
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  remember a few things. But that's when everything
• 24:10
  starts becoming clear. That's when I became conscious.
• 24:14
  The images of the murdered bodies really put
• 24:20
  your mind into reality. It really kicked me into
• 24:24
  reality. It really kicked you into high gear
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  of, oh wow, I exist and I have memory now. How
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  old were you? I don't know. Old enough? Younger
• 24:38
  than 10, for sure. But not old enough to see
• 24:42
  those photos. Yeah. Let's say 6, 7? No, older
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  than that. 8? I'm thinking maybe like 8 -ish
• 24:53
  or something, maybe? Okay, so is it safe to say
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  that... When Angela was eight years old, the
• 24:59
  Lizzie Borden house reminded her that she is
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  a human. I'm a human and anyone can murder you
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  at any second. If they really choose to. Life
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  is finite. Make the most of it. Well, I feel
• 25:19
  like this episode of the podcast has lost the
• 25:23
  plot a little bit. Yeah, so let's go back to
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  the central conceit. Any final thoughts on, we
• 25:30
  all would love to go anywhere for, you know,
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  a haunted place for extended periods, but any
• 25:37
  final thoughts on if it would necessarily yield
• 25:41
  more activity, off -the -walls activity, 24 -7
• 25:46
  activity? I changed my location. I think, um,
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  Villisca X Murder House. that's even smaller
• 25:57
  i hear smaller but i heard that place is really
• 26:02
  intense and you could get the full experience
• 26:04
  by living there for a week well that's the thing
• 26:07
  it's like i was going to like a house idea because
• 26:09
  like move like literally move in and just pretend
• 26:11
  like this is your house and it's small enough
• 26:13
  to know if activity happens you're gonna encounter
• 26:16
  it like if you have uh your eyes open and your
• 26:20
  ears open you're gonna know it's not a case of
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  like a big prison or something where something
• 26:27
  could be happening on the third cell block and
• 26:29
  you're in the first one yeah still just uh you
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  know i'm trying to narrow it in like like really
• 26:36
  be i still like brianna's idea the best you like
• 26:40
  yeah i do like hers the best because you're just
• 26:42
  taking one one uh building from a village and
• 26:46
  just focusing in on it for a whole extended period
• 26:49
  yeah Okay, so, fuck. And we come to the same
• 26:57
  fucking conclusion every fucking time. Brianna's
• 26:59
  the best, and it makes us all fucking sad. We're
• 27:02
  all gonna die. We're humans. Fucking Angela showed
• 27:06
  pictures of death getting murdered. This is cruel.
• 27:10
  Angela could die or get murdered if anyone wanted
• 27:13
  to, but you know, goddammit, the whole point
• 27:16
  is Brianna's the fucking best. Comes up with
• 27:18
  the best ideas, and ugh. Is that accurate? I
• 27:24
  can leave if you want me to. No, please. You're
• 27:29
  the best. I don't know where this is coming from.
• 27:36
  And it's making me feel very awkward now. That
• 27:41
  was supposed to be a compliment. That was my
• 27:43
  idea of a compliment. But you seemed very angry
• 27:47
  about it. Because we're not the best. You're
• 27:51
  the best. yay you rah rah woohoo thanks do that
• 28:04
  again edge yay alright bye bye people bye hope
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  you enjoyed the episode you will listen to us
• 28:13
  next week yes you will listen to us next week
• 28:17
  I hope you didn't miss that demand you will Thanks
• 28:24
  for listening to this week's episode of Paranormal
• 28:26
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  you, and we'll see you next Thursday for another
• 28:40
  paranormal deep dive.