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Making Monsters: Bears vs Browns Preview · 2nd City Gridiron

0:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, welcome back everybody to another episode of Making Monsters.
0:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on from the Bears Packers game and look forward.
0:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You still have a chance and I think that when you look at a game like this weekend it's one that you definitely want to win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's chat a little bit about this last week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look ahead to the Bears Browns this weekend.
0:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And Evans joining us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the host of Back and Read on second city grid RN.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Evan, thanks for helping all of me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having Taylor happy holidays.
0:36
[SPEAKER_00]: How's it going?
0:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy holidays to you.
0:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going great a little bit of the time of year where I guess the good part is when we're talking about football that matters in mid December is fun.
0:47
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a little bit since we've been talking about that.
0:50
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's chat a little bit about this last game.
0:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there's a lot of back and forth of
0:55
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of things, you talk about Caleb Williams in general, the first half of that game, probably one of his worst performances of the season, and then the second half of that game, you saw a lot of really good things, people saying one of his better performances of the season.
1:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But what did you see from Caleb Williams against the Packers?
1:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, number two, can we get a game where you feel like you get that third, fourth quarter Caleb for an entire game the season?
1:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a good question.
1:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, in the Packers game is the tale of two halves, right?
1:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And kind of that's the way we've seen Caleb shape his game or the way that the game has shaped Caleb.
1:30
[SPEAKER_00]: As it were, this entire season where there's been some late game theatrics and close games and eagles game where it was just pretty dominant performance.
1:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But focusing on that Packers game, I mean, at night and day, right, where you saw, you know, the old 22 came out.
1:44
[SPEAKER_00]: All the tape has been really digested at this point where,
1:47
[SPEAKER_00]: In the second half, you were able to see those intangibles, why he was the number one overall pick and why he's the franchise guy for the bears and just incredible throws that over the shoulder gets you know throw to Cole Comet the Zacchaeus throw that look like an intersection from one angle, but somehow snuck it towards you know the side of the end zone where only he could get it.
2:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's that make you just draw dropping throws.
2:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what it comes down to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at that tier point, I'd love to see, we were talking about a Tuesday, the Caleb Williams, where he jumps out to an early lead in the first and second quarter, all season long bears have struggled kind of to get to be that team that strikes first in the first and second quarter and build that momentum up.
2:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then that way they can kind of coast in the second half, but you know, that's all to say that we're only a game removed from that dominant Eagles performance where everything was clicking the defense, uh, in a hostile environment and then Caleb Williams and company really doing some great things.
2:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think, you know, this feels like a layup game and it feels like a confidence builder ahead of that Packers game.
2:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, it looked for Ben Johnson that really
2:56
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, confidence for Caleb Williams early on in the first half, but it's going to be so cold.
3:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, is it this point, which, you know, which quarterback is going to be able to strike first when the ball's like an ice block out there.
3:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
3:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
3:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And especially the way that Caleb throws the ball.
3:11
[SPEAKER_01]: That's been conversation.
3:12
[SPEAKER_01]: He, it's a rocket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times when he throws it no matter if it's 25 30 yards down the field or 10.
3:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is a part of it, but yeah, I'm interested to see because one of the things going looking at that bears packers game for me, I do feel like they didn't run the ball enough early and I get I think Ben Johnson wants to kind of put confidence in Caleb early that he, you know, you if you let him throw early get him loose and does feel like it takes him a little bit for his feet to start to settle on some of the mechanical things to settle in in games and so I wonder if Ben is like, okay, well, if we throw early,
3:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Those things will settle in early, but to me the run game has been such a massive factor of the success of this offense in the last half of the season that you feel I feel like I'd like to see that early on in games and then let Caleb settle in as it goes after that.
4:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's nice to talk about the bears really getting back to the ground game and being a top five run offense and that's obviously starts up front with just their offseason how they were able to over all the interior that line and
4:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, doing very well, but you talked about the run game and how it's important to establish that early and and again with the elements it's going to be freezing at soldier field.
4:38
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to want to have to run the ball really effectively and then the balance of my non-guy and deandry swift is really great now on the other side.
4:47
[SPEAKER_00]: There's obviously amazing great to worry about and, you know, my house Garrett has been a game record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think more you worry about him getting after Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this game, but you know, I've had to put John Judkins, I think, you know, the most impressive rookie running back has been a non guy for a good reason, you know, just looking on Twitter earlier today.
5:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, is there anyone you,
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[SPEAKER_00]: would want to tackle less than Kyle Menungai right now because he's real kind of opposite with the Andre Swift where he wants to contact the offensive line and will move the pile if he's still you know feet up and running.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, to your point, I think the bear's trying to establish that early you know a lot of counters, I think just run between the tackles.
5:27
[SPEAKER_00]: If you need to run away from miles of care, you need to run
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[SPEAKER_00]: through them or you know double-team them get to next level because the bears are pretty banged up on deep or the browns that is banged up on defense or the bears of course but take advantage of that and you know it'll be somewhere between the you know 200 plus rushing yard game they had against the Eagles and then that the success they had in the second half against the Packers but yeah I'm with you they got to establish it early and and take the pressure off Caleb Williams going to be tough to throw.
5:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, their defense is interesting to look at just what if you were looking straight up box scores and numbers because they're the best in the league when it comes to they've allowed the fewest passing yards allowed in the NFL and like top 10 fewest rushing yards allowed but they've allowed like the 12th most points so it's like they stop like teams aren't getting a lot of yardage on them but they're able to score.
6:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's interesting to kind of see the way.
6:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think part of that is probably when you have the past rest you do from a miles Garrett, then things probably go your way for a certain amount of the game, but then teams can kind of pile it up later in the in the games obviously third fourth quarter.
6:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to Miles Garrett, because that's going to, when you have a conversation, I think you have those tears of past rushers, and you're going to talk about one, they just faced in Michael Parsons, he's going to be in that conversation Max Krauseby, who they've also faced is going to be in that conversation.
6:47
[SPEAKER_01]: A Trit Hendrickson, who did not play in the game that the bear's face them.
6:51
[SPEAKER_01]: But those are those, those past rushers that you really talk about it being the best in the game.
6:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have guys like Jared Burst and some of those ones over there too, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: The difference for me when you talk about a Parsons to a Miles Garrett is Parsons moves around a ton.
7:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like Miles Garrett kind of more has his sweet spot, and that's where you expect, which happens to be also, I want to say he lines up the majority of time on the right side, so it will be across from Aussie, the majority of the time not saying they'll never move him.
7:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike, you know, he's going to be everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They line him up on the inside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll move him on both ends and that kind of felt that every single play, this last game, you were like, okay, where's Mike and you're having to plan that?
7:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I do feel like Ben can maybe have a little bit more of a game plan, at least try to slow down my comparisons as much as possible by giving that chip help, putting tight ends over there, whatever you need to do to help Aussie, just because you feel like you know he's going to be over there in the majority of the time.
7:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a good point where Michael Parsons sort of, I mean, Mao's Garrett, we've seen videos of dunking and just ridiculous things, feats of athleticism, and that's why he's leading the league in sex far and away this year.
7:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But a different animal than Michael Parsons worked, Miles Garrett, traditional hand in the dirt, type of past, Russia, Russian, the quarterback that way and get success.
8:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, to your end, I think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Parsons is such a good prep for Ozzy who you know took care of him mostly in check in the second half and and and so did darn it right to seven approval season obviously so it's good prep to go up against Parsons down you can gain plan against him again like if you have to run away from or through him like there's no
8:27
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way to sort of limit your play-con, I think that, you know, if you're Ben Johnson, you're clearly not really messing with what's working and what's in steering away from what's not at this point, freezing cold temperatures, you're going to have to continue to run the rock with monongaids and swift.
8:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got to just figure that whether it's cold, commit chipping
8:51
[SPEAKER_00]: it's been a really good year to see, you know, these receivers blocking well for the bears too.
8:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So with Miles Garrett, you know, he's going to get probably one sack, maybe it's one sack of Caleb on the dates.
9:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, around Halloween time, it's his, what's Miles Garrett?
9:08
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the graveyard out front.
9:10
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Caleb Williams.
9:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just the players, you know, I take one sack and a win, you know, in a game like this, and it's just tough to continually game play in for him all game long.
9:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, this Brown's defense is, you know, and the team overall, it's really just trying to play spoiler at this point as the three and ten football team.
9:33
[SPEAKER_00]: You figure these guys are really in for tough sledding, they play the bills and the,
9:38
[SPEAKER_00]: steelers after this, they just want to get out healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, to that end, I'd see a lot of, you know, continuing to run the rock and then chipping miles gear whenever you can double teams on him just to try to neutralize him, but it's it's so hard with the way he's performing just an incredible year.
9:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely a player that benefits your defense massively, and especially when you look at the other most are underperforming around him.
10:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is pretty much that's you're that's sure you're focusing on when you're facing the Brown's defense right now.
10:07
[SPEAKER_01]: When let's flip over to the other side when you're talking about the bear's defense, a lot of injuries that's been kind of the storyline for the whole season.
10:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of feels like we just got some more bad news about Kyler Gordon.
10:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really expecting him.
10:19
[SPEAKER_01]: to come back this season at this point, which is very unfortunate because I talked so much preseason in the beginning of this year about how important the nickel corner is in Dennis Allen's defenses and you lost your one of the best ones in the NFL for the majority of the year.
10:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's been unfortunate.
10:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for the most part until this last game, CJ Gardner Johnson's done a good job.
10:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He got exposed a little bit this last week, Christian Watson kind of did it to everybody.
10:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And the secondary it feels like and some of those other weapons they had in Green Bay,
10:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like the browns outside of Jerry Judy, and they do have a rookie tie-in that's been playing really well too when it comes to fan-in, but I do feel like maybe a little bit more manageable, especially with the quarterback who, yes, had a couple back-to-back games in Chador Sanders and good games, but I do think there's ways you can take advantage of this offense even with some pieces missing like a Kyler Gordon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the defense, it's just been, you know, really banged up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I talked about the Browns being banged up as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, whether it's Caller Gordon, who, it's really been tough, is as you talked about, Tyric Stevenson, hopefully he can give it a go.
11:23
[SPEAKER_00]: They're both flushable as you talked about more bad news from Caller Gordon, who didn't even participate in walkthroughs today.
11:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, you do get TJ Edwards back.
11:31
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no designation on him, which is huge at this point, and you're sort of treading water until Tramaine Edmunds can hopefully come back for the playoffs if the bears do get there.
11:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Dennis Allen is, is that a tough assignment with that, with this rotation of, you know, being down, especially in defensive backs.
11:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But, and Sean Wright is really stepped in.
11:49
[SPEAKER_00]: He's, you know, second leader in votes for corner in the
11:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be real feast for famine like he has been doing the rest of this whole entire season when he's going up against Jerry Judy and that's really kind of like mediocre browns receiving core.
12:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's not forget, you know, shudders to enders.
12:10
[SPEAKER_00]: It's only as Ford's start is going to be in hospital territory.
12:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, the bears are not the Tennessee Titans.
12:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully, although it's, you know, a couple of years from basically being the similar specific place where they were at at this point, but to that end, you know, you figured Dennis Allen took a lot of the blame for the way that the bears work out by Christian Watson and Jordan Love and last game.
12:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I see him challenging this front for, you know, and Brady Jarrett and
12:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the rest of the defensive wine to really get pressure on Chitter Sanders early and often and again, Byrden, right, really hanging back there, And you call on briskar and doing what they've been able to do and just create Turnovers.
12:52
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you figure Chitter Sanders is guaranteed to have at least one against the bears And just as bears defense has averaged at least one game, Which is pretty great to see them leading the league in turnovers.
13:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, within a saline, he's going to game plan.
13:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, shooter standards, you know, shooter as impressive as that game was not taken anything away from, you know, the way he played against Tennessee, this still came out with a loss at the end of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's going to try to really spread it around to fan and in Judy that really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just takes away from the rest of the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that also, you know, this as good a season as Quinn's John Judkins has had, that it just really has not been a great running game for the Brown.
13:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So it just feels very run to one dimensional with that in that regard.
13:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, a lot of pressure, I think at least one guarantee turnover from this pair's demo on defense.
13:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm kind of feeling that too.
13:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you the browns have in every single ranking you're seeing 30, 30, 30, 30 second offensive lines.
13:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to take advantage of that in a game like this at this weekend.
13:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been a team that on the other side has one of the worst pass rushes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's one of the worst pass rushes going against one of the worst offensive lines, but you do hope that.
14:03
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a game where you can really get to your point, those inside guys, get some of those pressures from Jervon and get some of those pressures from a greedy Jared and then open things up for Montez and Booker, who we've seen flashes of Montez had a stretch of games where he's playing really well this season and then Booker had, you know, he has his moments too, but you want to keep those going a little bit more and we know Dennis Allen, he likes his blitzes and certain times too, so sending some guys will see how he does that, but being having the secondary beat up as they
14:33
[SPEAKER_01]: How are you feeling this weekend?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel like it will be a dominant win?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel like it'll be a dominant win.
14:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, again, the Browns are really just real in with injuries right now.
14:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Just lost their starting center to a torn Achilles.
14:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, a lot of youth and three out of five of the starting offensive line are on the injury report.
14:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So all these players are really feeling the late season fatigue as a work, right?
14:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And that goes for the bears and the Browns.
15:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that the bears,
15:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, sort of need this rep is a good quality big win over the Browns, just a casual win as it were against them to build some momentum against the backers, but there's also also that trap game talk where you don't want to certainly let that happen, where they go and just take in the Browns lightly, and the Bears are really just going to have the benefit of, I guess, playing and
15:29
[SPEAKER_00]: even colder weather than they will in Green Bay, you know, a week from Saturday.
15:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think to answer question real, real Blopsided as far as the bears.
15:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see a fast start, but I think, you know, you're going to see at least, you know, 152 hundred yards type of rushing game where Manonga and Swift combined for that amount.
15:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams smart with the ball again, and I don't think he's going to force it because it's just going to be so cold out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stay warm and catch that ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's that's just again going to be like an ice block and we tough and yeah, the bears I predicted earlier this week I think it's you know 31 13 type of a fair so
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take that any day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been really appreciate you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hop it on and chatting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I have a brown side coming up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's Quincy Carrier is going to join me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll chat a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The brown side of the football and see what he thinks because like you said that trap game word has been used a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I will say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Ben Johnson will let that even linger in players minds of letting this be an easy game.
16:35
[SPEAKER_01]: He has proven he's that coach who's very intense.
16:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like he's probably
16:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Showing that film from last week and be like, you know, you're, you're four or five plays away from beating the Packers at Lambo field.
16:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So don't let this division slip away from you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope that's the message that they're that he's teaching sharing them with them right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Evan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, how I'm thank you for joining me and have a happy holiday.
17:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You too, Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much for having me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's continue on this bears Brown's preview.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're joined by now Quincy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carrier, he covers NFL in the Browns for Cleveland.com.
19:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So Quincy, thanks for hopping all with me.
19:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's always a good time to talk about the Browns.
19:25
[SPEAKER_02]: No matter what part of the season it is, right?
19:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
19:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Football is football and it's funny.
19:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw someone post the other day and they were like, if I would have known like the team I chose was going to lose this much, I wouldn't have chosen a team and I was like,
19:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a bear's fan.
19:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I live in Jacksonville and cover the Jaguar, so I feel this very deeply.
19:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still love them.
19:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why we do what we do.
19:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's start a little bit.
19:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a several bigger storylines in this game, no matter what the records are for either of the teams.
19:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the quarterbacks are going to be a bigger one of those.
19:56
[SPEAKER_01]: The last time these two quarterbacks faced in Shador Sanders and Caleb Williams in college, there was like 11 touchdowns in that game, 900 yards.
20:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It was insane.
20:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, granted that was a little bit different.
20:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, and this is the NFL.
20:08
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be about 10 degrees.
20:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not expecting 11 passing touch.
20:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's talk about shit or and four starts now.
20:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He's played a couple games back to back where you've seen some really good things out of him.
20:22
[SPEAKER_01]: How are Browns fans feeling about that.
20:24
[SPEAKER_01]: In general, you know, drafting several quarterbacks having five on the roster during summer and then now kind of seeing this guy that a lot of people were saying,
20:33
[SPEAKER_02]: with your doors just been about development right because there was some stuff that you saw in the preseason that would be encouraging there was also some stuff that would be very discouraging right like his tendency to spin backwards and take bad sex.
20:49
[SPEAKER_02]: He still flashes some bad game management decisions I think in that game versus Tennessee.
20:54
[SPEAKER_02]: a really bad interception up three for really no reason at all.
20:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And ended up being part of why the Browns lost that game.
21:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's been some good business and bad wishador along the way.
21:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the big thing for him in Fort of Browns is like, okay, what are we focusing on this week, right?
21:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Playing in structure, staying in a pocket.
21:15
[SPEAKER_02]: having crisper pocket mechanics.
21:18
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of been the focus with Shidorah, since he's been out there, and those things have gotten much better, and I think that's where there's a lot of encouragement, you know, for Shidorah.
21:33
[SPEAKER_02]: the reality is they only invested a fifth round pick on him right you know some people might have thought he's a first round pick.
21:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Second round pick but you're only worth to the franchise with they put in you.
21:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So the men to Brown's right now they lost to a one-wind team.
21:47
[SPEAKER_02]: So their position to take a quarter back if they want to with the top of their draft so if you should do
21:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's important for him to win some games here, to get the Browns out that position, if he wants to make sure that he has a clean opportunity to be the guy next year.
22:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's what the last month of the season is about, right?
22:02
[SPEAKER_02]: If you go in a couple of games, okay, 20, 26 is gonna be all about Shador.
22:06
[SPEAKER_02]: If you can't, then it's gonna be a pretty, pretty interesting offseason, which, look, Cleveland never fathomed at court.
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those terms you just used when the playing and structure, the avoiding sex.
22:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I was something we had a lot of conversations about,
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: about Caleb Williams this last off season and it's something he has gotten a lot better at Caleb was sacked almost 70 times last season.
22:28
[SPEAKER_01]: He's only had been sacked 19 times this season in part.
22:31
[SPEAKER_01]: They invested in the offensive line.
22:33
[SPEAKER_01]: That's part of it.
22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But Caleb's been one of the best in the NFL this season at avoiding that throwing the ball away when he needs to and not taking those bad sacks.
22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've seen that development part happen.
22:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It took a little bit longer for Caleb Williams than three or four games.
22:45
[SPEAKER_01]: but it happens and I think those are one of the things that Brown's fans can probably look forward to is those are fixable things and that playing and structure no matter how much they tell you your quarterback can't do it with the right coach I think you can.
22:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's another interesting conversation.
23:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You tell me this.
23:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember beginning of November as to fanski announced that he's handing the plate calling over to Tommy Reese.
23:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that something that is still happening?
23:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, Tommy Reese has been the play caller since I believe early, before the by week.
23:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and that's something that Kevin has been more open to over the last couple years last year.
23:21
[SPEAKER_02]: He gave up the play calling to Ken Dorsey and, you know, he's so, this something he's been open to, but it's going to be interesting to see going forward like what that dynamic is because Tommy Reese's highly sought after, right?
23:35
[SPEAKER_02]: He's interviewing for
23:36
[SPEAKER_02]: coaching jobs for Penn State at least in college.
23:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's a highly sought after prospect.
23:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Nick Saben thinks very highly of him as a coach.
23:46
[SPEAKER_02]: It is going to be interesting what the dynamic is going for because I think he's done some good stuff in play calling for this team.
23:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't necessarily think the team's problem was that Kevin was a terrible play caller when they made the switch.
23:56
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just that they have bad personnel in order to make up for that.
24:00
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to be very limited.
24:06
[SPEAKER_02]: When we're talking about maximizing what's there, I think Tommy's done a good job.
24:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that I give credit to a coach who can do that because we've seen a lot of times in the NFL and college football guys lose their jobs because their egos won't let them hand that play calling over or they won't hire an offensive play caller.
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Billy Napier just got fired from Florida for that reason, but I do think that when you talk about the the Browns offense, another story line is going to be these running backs, these rookie running backs for both the Browns and the Bears obviously common on guy.
24:37
[SPEAKER_01]: dropped it in the seventh round and quench on jutkins, who's been, he was one of my favorite backs coming into the draft, and so I think that he's performed really well this weekend at being 10 degrees.
24:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm expecting this to be a game where these running backs can really show out.
24:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, Calvin, I'm guy, he was one of my favorites coming out of Rutgers.
24:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he was seven rounds selectioner.
24:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was biking to Heisman talks early on at Rutgers, and I don't know what happened there to where he drops away.
25:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he ran like a
25:07
[SPEAKER_02]: and then people got scared off of him, but he's kind of like watching like, you know, of your browns fan like a Korean hunt, right?
25:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Like kind of real physical one-cut downhill, really explosive going left the right.
25:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so yeah, very excited to see him because he's one of my favorite draft guys in the clinch shot.
25:24
[SPEAKER_02]: The big question here is the offensive line for the Browns.
25:26
[SPEAKER_02]: The line is beat up right now.
25:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's always been beat up.
25:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's been beat up the last two years.
25:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, we're talking about maybe three or four guys on the starting line up might be gone for this game.
25:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Joe Bittonio hasn't practiced.
25:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Jack Conclins constantly in the state of injury.
25:45
[SPEAKER_02]: He's dealing with the concussion.
25:46
[SPEAKER_02]: You all are awesome.
25:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So Kevin Jenkins added.
25:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Tevin Jenkins added to the injury report.
25:52
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a constant state of flux.
25:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, you're already out the line for a while.
25:56
[SPEAKER_02]: That was your starting tackle coming into it.
25:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're like KT, Levistin, Corn Lucas, Corn Lucas gave up like 28 pressures in four weeks, when he played early in the season.
26:07
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not a great situation there.
26:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Quishons made the best out of it.
26:12
[SPEAKER_02]: But,
26:13
[SPEAKER_02]: more than likely they're going to have to follow the ball to get anything going here because I don't think they're going to be able to move much there.
26:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And my test was still healthy for you guys.
26:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, the past rush has not been good for the bears though, so I wouldn't worry as much about that.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I say that, but when you have a line that is very beat up, I guess that is something you could take advantage of, but yeah, I'm on to a sweat is healthy, and then obviously you have
26:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I was asking about my test for the run defense because he's so strong and he's going to be very effective against the run.
26:53
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think the Browns are going to go in here, even though it's an negative degree, thinking that they're going to run the ball a ton and honestly, the point of the season of the Browns are in.
27:00
[SPEAKER_02]: They're one win, they're like, what two wins, three win team, they're going to go in and say, let's see what should do or could do.
27:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what the young guys can do.
27:08
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to go for reps here in this game.
27:11
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they're going to pass a ball a lot.
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think is the two names that I think people are going to be talking about when it comes to this past catchers?
27:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, Jared duty, the more recognizable name, but Harold fan, and that's tied in.
27:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That's been playing really well.
27:24
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears obviously drafting a tie-dend also, or super alien, called St. Lovelin, but what are your thoughts on that when it comes to you think those spread the ball a little bit more should we're getting a little more comfortable with this offense or those two guys, you feel like we'll be the focus.
27:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I think his story can get the ball out on time, they're going to be able to spread it out because then you can utilize the run-and-back to the tight ends, right?
27:43
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have great white receivers, so when he does get locked in, that's a problem, right?
27:48
[SPEAKER_02]: You can live being locked in in the guys when you have great white receivers, but when you don't have that, you need to get the ball out quick, get the ball out to the guys who can get downfield quickly.
27:57
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's going to be the real thing right, can should be on time.
27:59
[SPEAKER_02]: He did it last week.
28:01
[SPEAKER_02]: He did not do it versus the 49ers.
28:04
[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to be interesting because the way to this is gone, right?
28:07
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you play two teams ahead of you in the draft order in the Raiders and the Titans, and should all look good versus those teams, whether you've played the Ravens and then you've played the 49ers so far in the weren't great games.
28:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Forcedor.
28:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is going to be interesting test.
28:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
28:23
[SPEAKER_02]: The bears are near the top of the NFC.
28:27
[SPEAKER_02]: They're one of the better teams in that conference.
28:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And she doesn't have a great game versus a over 500 team or team with more than three wins.
28:37
[SPEAKER_02]: So far this season.
28:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be interested to see what he can do against that challenge.
28:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Are we going to get the all in time?
28:43
[SPEAKER_02]: She's going to get the ball out quickly.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: and do what he needs to respect the ball out.
28:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Or we're going to get to Shador who likes to spin around back there and try to force things to Isaiah Bond.
28:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's chat a little bit about the other side, the defensive side of the ball, Miles Garrett, that's going to be the name everybody's going to talk about.
29:00
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole game plan that the bearers offensively are going to be saying, what is a way you can possibly slow down Miles Garrett?
29:06
[SPEAKER_01]: This is an offensive line I mentioned at the top.
29:08
[SPEAKER_01]: That's played a lot better.
29:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams playing a lot better.
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the better pressure to stack ratios in the NFL.
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He faced Michael Parsons last week, didn't get hit, not saying Michael Parsons didn't affect that game, because he affects that game.
29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Max Crossley affected the game, even though he wasn't able to get a sack either.
29:24
[SPEAKER_01]: There's these guys that are really good past pressures that the bears have handled.
29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: not stopped but handled.
29:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And now you have the biggest tests of them all on to me.
29:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my old's Garrett.
29:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So, chat a little bit about that because one of the things that I do think affected the bear's last year is where Michael Parsons is.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He's everywhere.
29:40
[SPEAKER_01]: The lineup up in the middle, the lineup up on the right side, the left side.
29:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like my old's Garrett is a little bit more usually on the right side of that line.
29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where the weakness on the bear's line is that left tackles.
29:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So, chat a little bit about my old's and the expectations for that at least.
29:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's interesting how fast time flies.
29:56
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like just yesterday, he was sacking like just in fields against theirs.
30:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Like four times, I think, half in a game, we're something crazy like that.
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He was saying like 14 times that game, it was bad.
30:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was crazy.
30:09
[SPEAKER_02]: But with miles, the thing that the Browns have done, right?
30:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And this would make a lot of decisions that the Browns made in the draft.
30:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Make a lot more sense when you realize it is they have spent a lot of time studying
30:24
[SPEAKER_02]: avoid miles and then they have spent a lot of resources and making sure you can't go to that, right?
30:30
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the big things that people used to do to get away from miles is that we're going to run the ball and we're going to get to the perimeter and we're going to run this thing wide.
30:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Carson's messenger has taken that away, right?
30:39
[SPEAKER_02]: He has been phenomenal at taking that away.
30:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Another way that teens have been able to successfully avoid miles and you saw this happen with Tennessee last week because I think the Browns defensive line had a bad game.
30:49
[SPEAKER_02]: up the middle right Mason Graham for the most part has taken that away.
30:54
[SPEAKER_02]: So what you see with the rounds is they have addressed a lot of the ways that you can take miles out the game and that's why miles is sack numbers have exploded.
31:05
[SPEAKER_02]: He's always put up crazy pressure numbers.
31:07
[SPEAKER_02]: He's always put up crazy pass rush win rate numbers right but he never really had an avenue to take away these ways that he's trying to get away from him.
31:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why you're seeing even in games where teams are having great success stopping him.
31:20
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still getting a sack or two in those games like you did last week.
31:25
[SPEAKER_02]: So in against other 49ers as well.
31:27
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the big thing.
31:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
31:30
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't move miles as much.
31:31
[SPEAKER_02]: They move them a lot last year.
31:33
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't move them as much because they don't have to.
31:35
[SPEAKER_02]: They can let him get comfortable at that left tackle position.
31:38
[SPEAKER_02]: He loves to play the long game with guys and low guys and so okay, you're going to jump.
31:41
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to jump.
31:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get you to fall starter.
31:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Just roll underneath your cut across a few, just open my hips and get through.
31:49
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's the tricky thing with miles, right?
31:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you triple team miles, the browns have to interior guys to be able to win those battles.
31:57
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't triple team miles, then you're dealing with miles, Garrett.
32:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the Raiders game.
32:04
[SPEAKER_02]: was one that was interesting, right?
32:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they started that game.
32:07
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to triple teen miles.
32:08
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to worry about the interior.
32:10
[SPEAKER_02]: They gave up like 10 sacks in the first half to the interior.
32:14
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they were like, all right, we're going to buy a screw.
32:16
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just going to let miles through.
32:18
[SPEAKER_02]: They have more success on offense, letting miles through.
32:21
[SPEAKER_02]: But miles got three sacks in the process.
32:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of a pick your own poison situation with the Brown's defense, especially if they're playing well.
32:28
[SPEAKER_02]: They have had their issues on the road, so we'll see which version of the Brown's defense shows up.
32:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, if they're healthy, they're playing well.
32:35
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a ton of guys in the injury report right now.
32:38
[SPEAKER_02]: But if they're healthy, they're playing well.
32:40
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see the Brown's just be able to kind of enforce their will defensively.
32:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And they'll be able to get some pressure with miles, because it's really not much you could do.
32:49
[SPEAKER_02]: You could chip them, but then he's the king of
32:51
[SPEAKER_02]: just evading ships, right?
32:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Just dipping this shoulder and Euro stepping around ship.
32:55
[SPEAKER_02]: There's really just you got to just get the ball out quick and hope that somebody's open and that Denzel Ward's having off night.
33:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that happens.
33:03
[SPEAKER_02]: You could do pretty well.
33:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Or if the Browns are not getting pressure up the middle, right?
33:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I think you could have some success.
33:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we'll see where Caleb Williams is.
33:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Cam Ward was very disciplined last week.
33:14
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see where Caleb is this week.
33:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it feels like the majority of the season for Caleb has been kind of a tale of two halves and that goes to this Packers game two where it takes him a minute to start mechanically getting sound and feet settling and then the second half it turns on, but you need we're waiting for that game.
33:32
[SPEAKER_01]: We're right out of the gate.
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: You come out and you're talking about Caleb.
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do want to ask you before I get your thoughts on some of the bare side of stuff.
33:38
[SPEAKER_01]: going back to draft day for you guys and I don't know how much people are still talking about this or if you guys have completely moved on obviously trading that pick that could have been a Travis Hunter and drafting Mason Graham.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: How much is that a conversation at all?
33:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Does it feel like they made the right choice looking at it to where it is now?
33:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I see it as a huge one.
33:55
[SPEAKER_02]: You got an extra pick in the first round.
33:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You use the selection for Mason Graham who's been great for you, and then you use the other selection that you got from Jacksonville to get Quenchon Jenkins.
34:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the whole selling point for Travis Hunter to me was he could be an impact player on third now.
34:11
[SPEAKER_02]: where you want defense and on offense.
34:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's why he could be the number two overall picking that draft.
34:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but if you're able to extract a third down player and a full time third down player on offense, like you're talking about every down back in Quinshawn and every down defense attack.
34:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, in Mason Graham, he's already I think top of your team in snap count.
34:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you're getting more back just from that return right there.
34:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you get the extra first round
34:41
[SPEAKER_02]: you don't want to receive her for your quarterback.
34:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You can help you get all offensive linemen.
34:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I think from the Cleveland side, as you walk away from that trade, pretty happy.
34:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the key to that trade back versus other trade back some Browns history, where we're like, oh, we're going to go from 2 to 25.
34:56
[SPEAKER_02]: They only went from 2 to 5.
34:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Still got one of their blue chip guys.
35:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And then,
35:03
[SPEAKER_02]: added the additional value there.
35:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think we're pretty happy with it.
35:07
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Jacksonville seems like they're excited about Travis Hunter once he gets back off the IR.
35:14
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe it's a win-win, but I know at the very least it's going to be hard for Cleveland for like they didn't get anything up their trip.
35:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's what I think that when it first happened, there was a lot of torn pieces when it kept I think both sides, but I think right now it could be potentially where in five years we're talking about one of the more even a draft day trades, but we will see a long way for that, but a few more before I let you go when we're talking about the bear side of the bear side of things from the Cleveland perspective that.
35:41
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears defense take ways very good at takeaways.
35:44
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty much the only thing they're good at.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: They allow a lot of rushing yards.
35:47
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't rush the pastor.
35:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They allow a lot of a lot of big chunk plays a lot of yards.
35:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just in general.
35:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't been pretty a lot of that due to injuries.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You've been missing pretty much all your linebackers.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Johnson and Kyler Gordon have been out the majority of the year so there's a lot of factors into that but bottom line They lead the league and takeaways, but that's pretty much the only thing.
36:07
[SPEAKER_01]: They're good at when it comes to the defensive side of the ball What is the thought?
36:10
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the mindset from you guys as you're approaching this game of how to take advantage of some of the things that the bears do defensively
36:17
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been an interesting conversation with this offense because there was a point in the time in the season where I'm like, it doesn't matter what you think your defense is, like the Browns offense is bad and they're going to be bad against anybody to play against.
36:27
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a little better with Shidorah, right?
36:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's why there's a lot of excitement.
36:30
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been like what they put up 29 points.
36:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the second time they've gotten over 17 this season with just offensive points alone.
36:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, it's been that kind of year for the Browns offense.
36:41
[SPEAKER_02]: They still struggle to do some things, running the ball,
36:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're just too predictable.
36:46
[SPEAKER_02]: They like to do the same things over and over again.
36:48
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's well, I'm not super impressed with Tommy Reese as a play callers like his run game stuff, but they'll get a lot of screens off.
36:56
[SPEAKER_02]: They're pretty creative with how they like to get screens off.
37:00
[SPEAKER_02]: The big problem with the Browns offense, you know, last week was turnover.
37:04
[SPEAKER_02]: If you look at why they didn't beat the Titans, they were minus two on turnovers, the Titans turned those turnovers into 14 points.
37:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Special teams has also been a disaster for this team.
37:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if we're going to touch on that, but you probably know where a special team unit in the league this year as far as being able to manage to ball and not.
37:23
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, put themselves in worse situations.
37:26
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I think that's been the constant like on top of the fact that the Browns Offences have been productive.
37:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Their signs that they might be more productive going forward.
37:37
[SPEAKER_02]: The big questions can you avoid the turnover, right?
37:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where, you know, what's your door in there?
37:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not the most convinced that that's going to go away because should
37:46
[SPEAKER_02]: or likes to take chances and he's a young quarterback.
37:48
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's going to throw a couple of interceptions that you just got to throw as a young quarterback.
37:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you guys went through this with Caleb Williams, you know, doesn't throw as many interceptions as like the media would make you think that Caleb Williams throws.
38:00
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's, I think it's a similar thing there where it's like, he's just going to have to get through some of this stuff to kind of know that he can't do it.
38:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And I imagine there's going to be a game where he throws multiple of those, right?
38:13
[SPEAKER_02]: The Browns get down early.
38:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it's not this week or this season.
38:19
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, it could happen.
38:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the big thing with the Browns, right?
38:23
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm concerned about because the bears aren't really a great defense, but they can get turnovers and the Browns aren't a great offense.
38:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But boy, can we turn that ball over?
38:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's nobody's business.
38:36
[SPEAKER_01]: it's funny because it almost feels like this game is like strengths against weaknesses or weaknesses against weaknesses almost to certain extent and so it'll be interesting to see how that goes but offensively final one before I let you go.
38:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams, that's the quarterback that I don't know, I feel like people love them or hate them is what it feels like, a lot of the media very critical of that completion percentage even though a lot of bears fans feel like
39:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay, relax, calm down.
39:03
[SPEAKER_01]: He has really good on third down.
39:05
[SPEAKER_01]: He's really good in the third and fourth quarters.
39:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gotten better at avoiding sex.
39:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You see some plays where you're like, that was the most beautiful pass I've ever seen.
39:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you see somewhere like what the hell was that?
39:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of a little bit of a roller coaster right now and Ben Johnson and him are working through a lot of those things.
39:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But what's in your, and that browns mindset, what do you guys see of Caleb Williams and kind of thoughts on that?
39:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I think one of your demands, you're trying to get miles gear opportunities to pressure him, to speed him up, to make him make quick decisions there.
39:37
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think you want that pressure out the middle to kind of force him to roll out and try to do those kind of things.
39:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Caleb Williams, like the conversations I hear about him, obviously don't watch him every week because I have other responsibilities third week.
39:52
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was a big Caleb Williams guy coming out of USC
39:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of interesting, right?
39:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the stuff that I hear people talk about with Caleb, it's the same stuff that people were saying about Baker, right?
40:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Like playing in structure, some great throws, some amazing throws, some throws where you're like, I don't know if this guy can just figure it out sometimes, you know, it seems like very similar conversations there.
40:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, he didn't work out with Baker and Cleveland, working out great for him.
40:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me last my friend's been great for Baker in.
40:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Tampa Bay, but you know, we'll see what happens with him, right?
40:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Part of me wonders like with Caleb Williams is some of this stuff just getting through it as a young player.
40:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's easy to kind of say he's just he's just getting through it right when he's a young player, but eventually if that player keeps doing it, you have to access like they're just going to be inconsistent, right?
40:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Like to Trevor Lawrence conversation is when I think you're going to probably have about Caleb words like, hey, is he consistent or is he just like learning because he's 27 now, right?
40:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and that's that's where we got with Baker and ultimately why the Brown Society moved on because they felt like he wasn't consistent enough to want a championship in the AMC and, you know, whether you think the dish I was to write you for not what you don't find it takes that what in hindsight, you know, you can still argue whether the intent was correct there or not.
41:10
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's that's the big thing with Caleb is like, can you get him to make some of those more wild decisions?
41:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I think in order to do that, you probably got to get a lead because if he does it, if he has a lead or if it's close, he's going to lean on that run game and he's going to be pretty patient, right?
41:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's proven that.
41:29
[SPEAKER_02]: this year.
41:30
[SPEAKER_02]: So the honest is really on the Browns offense to get started early.
41:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to be surprised that the Browns tried to do something that's going to seem goofy when they do it, but like take the ball first that they win the kick off when the coin toss to try to get early lead to force that because they want Caleb in playmaker mode instead of game managing mode.
41:50
[SPEAKER_02]: because that's a they they feel like they can get the opportunities for mile strips acts and maybe it didn't sell ward interception that way.
41:57
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're to bronze, you're probably looking for turnovers this week.
42:01
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the big thing.
42:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And like stopping around like you look, they've been good at it.
42:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of season, but last week, Toni Pollard went off and that's partly because they got a lot of injuries.
42:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I know they brought in Mohurst to fix the problems.
42:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But
42:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, no, hers is a past Russia, but he's never been great as a run defender.
42:16
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I don't know if they're going to be able to kind of feel some of the gaps that they had in that defensive line.
42:22
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, slow and now common.
42:24
[SPEAKER_02]: None guy, that's really been their number one M.O.
42:27
[SPEAKER_02]: is like slow down run game so we can get to the passing game and let teams have to deal with miles, but if they can't get to that successfully, then the Browns defense can have issues.
42:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Quincy, talk about two teams that could write novels on quarterback issues.
42:41
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all like their organizations.
42:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, two organizations that know that how much you love a quarterback coming out of college, like all they went to the Bears, all they went to the Browns, it might not work out.
42:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
42:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I do what could have went to one of these two organizations, if you were like, I don't know, man, you might think actually.
42:59
[SPEAKER_01]: we joke about that because people are always like I can't believe like the bears drafted Mitchell Jubiske instead of Patrick Mahomes and I swear my Patrick Mahomes would not be Patrick Mahomes if he gave it to Chicago.
43:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I would just not gonna happen.
43:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what it is.
43:12
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if before the drive I was like the bears could get.
43:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Caleb Williams, I think Marvin Harrison was in that draft class too.
43:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I like I still would have believed in them because like this is how the bears have been recorded back my whole life.
43:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Even when they went to the Superbowls like Rex Grossman.
43:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
43:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like I've never seen the bears have a great quarterback.
43:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, obviously better history than the Browns, Browns have been bad and have that quarterback.
43:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So you know, you could live a worse life.
43:37
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's a tell somebody breaks through and does it for those to organization's people are always going to soon to quarterback's not going to work out.
43:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to get sent to one of these two places.
43:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're the only team in the NFL that hasn't had a 4,000 yard passer a 30 touch down passer and it's probably not happening this year either.
43:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So even with it, he's on track, I think, to have like 39 hundred and like 26 touchdowns or something.
44:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So still short of that, which is wild because I think a lot of people thought like this is finally the year, but I don't know if it is, but Quincy, thanks for hopping on.
44:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate it.
44:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I know this interesting people going to the game this weekend are going to be frozen.
44:13
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a frozen tundra.
44:15
[SPEAKER_01]: of their soldier field, but I am really, that's what both of all other.
44:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It's right on that lake and if it's anything like Cleveland's like it's what it's got to be.
44:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's so hot.
44:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you sit in, it's gonna be nasty.
44:27
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, pack your heat, the little heat packs that you put in.
44:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
44:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It lets you bring that into the stadium still and long johns, everything you need.
44:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not layered up.
44:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought we plenty of beer going to be so in this stadium, right?
44:40
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
44:41
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
44:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much and have a good weekend and happy holidays too as I come up.