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“It’s Just Who I Am” Is a Lie: What Your DNA Really Says About You with Dr. Tyler Panzner · Everyday Ancestral with James Barry

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Welcome back to Everyday Ancestral. I'm your host James Berry. I'm really excited to share this next guest.
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He firmly believes that by aligning your habits with your genes, not only can you feel your best
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everyday, but you can also lower your risk for chronic diseases in the long run.
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Dr. Tyler Pansner is a PhD scientist with a deep background in pharmacology, cancer,
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neuroscience, and inflammation research his passion for how different substances affect the
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body has been lifelong. But about seven years ago, he found his true calling in genetics and
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personalized medicine. So if you're one of those people listening to all the influencers out
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there telling you to do this or don't do that, guess what? It's time to block a lot because
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here comes Dr. Tyler Pansner telling you why it's not just a blanket statement, but you got to be
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specific to you. Enjoy genetics. It's so funny. I always think about my mom who will say like,
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oh, this is just who I am. This is part of my genes, you know, and it's sometimes it felt like
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such a cop out like where's your choice in this? But you you have a very specific viewpoint on on
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genes. So let's just go right into it. Why focused on genes? I'll be the first to say as a genetic
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specialist, genetics are not everything, right? I think a big issue in today's space is you have
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all these absolutist people saying, you know, my ways, the only way are always eat this or never
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eat that or everyone needs this supplement. If you guys listening, anyone that talks in
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absolute always or never does not understand the complexity of the human body and they're probably
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trying to sell you something. You know, I think by buying large, there are some more general type
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things like, you know, I know you have a pluck, you know, I think organ meats organ meats are like
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magnesium. These are relatively safe things that you know, I think people can dabble with an
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experiment with to see how they feel, but by and large, it's very absolutist with people and
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I'm the guy to help add that level of nuance. It's so much contrary to three health information.
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People are so overwhelmed and I'm the guy to help give you the nuance of what should you or
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shouldn't you be listening to based on your unique genetics. Genetics aren't a cop out for
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everything, right? And it's funny when you mention your mother, I have a genetic mutation that means
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I break down adrenaline and dopamine a lot slower than most people. So it makes me very type A,
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very sensitive guy, you know, a guy throw my headphones in or I even think of my favorite song,
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I could give myself goosebumps, right? High dopamine guy, but also very prone to being startled,
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like I can't watch scary movies. It's not the gore, the meant it's the jumpiness, right? Like the
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fight or flight goes on. I'm ready to like throw hands with the TV screen, right? And it's funny,
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like I used to always say a lot how, oh, I'm overwhelmed, that's who I am. And I think that's
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true to some extent, but I don't think it's a universal cop out, right? Like it'll be I sense things
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and feel things more deeply. And I have two mutations in this gene around 80% of the people I work with
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70 80% have one mutation there. Maybe eight ish percent or so have two. So we're not talking about
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like one and a million mutations here. But yeah, I just see genetics expedite the process and
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how people get crystal clear and what they should and shouldn't be doing. So forget about saving
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the money on trying all these things that don't really work for you or make you feel worse.
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What's our most precious resource or time? The time it takes to experiment, flounder around this
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or that versus getting all the answers up front for you with the genetics. Did you grow up feeling
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different, but not knowing what it was. And then once you started going down this path of studying
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genes and becoming a doctor, you know, like an expert at it, how did that help you with understanding
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yourself? Yeah, like I mentioned that gene. And I'm talking about the COMT gene. That's that dopamine
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gene I was talking about. That was one of the first mutations I was looking at my 23 and me data
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trying to fix my own health. I had a lot of anxiety issues, brain fog issues, sleep issues,
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headaches. One of the first things I looked at and I looked, wow, that works four times slower
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than in regular people. What does that need to function? Well, it needs magnesium to function.
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Maybe I should try taking some of that. And it needs something called SAME,
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S adenosyl methionine to function. So I tried those two nutrients and they literally changed my
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life overnight. Granted, I was probably what happened. I felt noticeably more calm,
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cool collected. My brain could be kind of neurotic at times, right? Like fixating on things and
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I noticed just the baseline stress was a lot less. The overthinking will always be there, right?
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It'll always be a high dopamine type of guy, but it just really I like to say every person is
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unique shape. And the goal of helping people with the genetics, the supplements, the foods and
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things, it's not to change the shape of you. It's more so to smooth out the edges, right? Because
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I'm not trying to change my personality type completely. Me being a sensitive guy is what makes
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me great in a lot of aspects too, right? It's more so how do we learn to dance around some of our
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genetic shortcomings to support them? So a lot less fixation and a lot lower baseline stress.
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And I was like, holy crap, I really needed these. They helped me so much. Granted, I was probably
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deficient in magnesium too, right? That's a whole other aspect, right? Baseline deficiencies.
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But that's what led me to start doing this for friends and family for a few years. I've been doing
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this for eight years at this point, but as an official business for around two and a half,
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I work with over 700 people to do exactly what I did for myself. Utilize the genetics. It's not
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a once in a while. Every client I work with gets the genetics done because again, it really just
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expedites the process and helps them get clear on those answers and combine it with the proper
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supplement signs. I mean, that could be a whole other episode of the horror stories, all these
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weird reactions to supplements. I think people really underestimate how many people get damaged or
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harmed by natural supplements because it's like, who are you going to call if you realize you're
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having panic attacks from this supplement, right? You don't go pick up the phone and call the
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manufacturer, right? Like you willingly bought them and put them in your own body.
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Well, you probably don't even connect that you're having that issue from the supplement.
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So walk me through if I were coming to you for the first time to work with you. Like,
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what is the process that you go through towards supporting people with their health?
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Like I said, genetic testing. What would I do?
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Specific testing. Do you believe is the best?
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Yeah. So I work with the company self-the-code. They test over a hundred million mutation.
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It's very, very comprehensive. And it's not like these other tests that says, oh, we checked
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50 mutations. You have one mutation in this gene. They'll map out like hundreds of thousands
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of mutations. I think it's around 800,000 mutations come into play to gauge your oxalic
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sensitivity. Have you heard of oxalids before? Oh, sure. Yeah. I like about them in food, right?
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Yeah. Exactly. And you know, you have the carnivore people screaming. They share a study.
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Oxalids can cause gut issues. No one should ever have them. That's a bunch of crap. That's a
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bunch of crap, James. Like it's the people can't investibles. You're telling me people can't
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eat vegetables. Well, some people, based on their genetics, based on their gut microbiome,
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really want to be mindful with oxalids. I've changed people's lives by educating them
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based on 800,000 different mutations. You're more sensitive to oxalids. You see how that's
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a lot different, a lot more accurate than just saying, oh, you have one mutation that's linked
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to oxalids sensitivity. You could have three others that make you less sensitive to them, right?
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So what is the net effect? You need really deep comprehensive data. AI machine learning helps
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a lot with it. But I see a missing piece is the level of nuance and really making it digestible
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for people. You don't need a 50 page report and you're so overwhelmed. So I actually use that
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analysis of my own tools. I hand make my reports now. Not super scalable, but right now I'm really
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focusing on what helps people the most offering that white glove service. And we have a one-on-one
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call for an hour going through everything point by point because you're more than just genes
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on paper. There's probably going to be depending on the person, you know, 30 to 50 supplement
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recommendations, but I would never put anyone on all those at once. We have a conversation. I need
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to hear how you wake up in the morning. If you have anxiety and depression, how do those
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interact together? Are you more on the depressed side and it makes you anxious because you get nothing
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done throughout the day? Or are you so anxious all day trying to do everything and then some
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that you're burnt out and depressed at the end of the day, right? So on paper versus talking
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to the person, I really think produces a lot better health outcomes by having that call,
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making sure you understand the language of your body. Not just hear some pills, take them.
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You just kind of like maybe realize that we can really identify here with you. So what are like
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the top three kind of misunderstood current trends that are happening that you're just like,
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no, I call BS on this. This is not true. And you just mentioned one with the oxalic.
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Let's take that one first. Can you go a little deeper into that?
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Absolutely. And, you know, regarding the oxalic genetically, as I mentioned, there's a genetic
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component, but certain types of gut infections or bacteria or yeast, well, that wouldn't be picked
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up on a genetic test, right? More like a stool type test, right? But that can also affect
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oxal levels in the body. Then if we also think certain amino acids, hydroxyproline, that's very
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rich in collagen, glycine, very rich in collagen, both of those, your body can turn them into oxalates
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in the body. Now, I take glycine high doses every evening. I do very well on it. But you see this
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level of nuance here. If I see someone that has a lot of oxalate mutations and that comes up,
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I'll mention to them, be mindful of the glycine or the hydroxyproline or collagen supplements.
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Not that any dose is inherently bad, right? This is not a black and white never have a collagen
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supplement again. But I have seen people, their joints actually feel better removing some of the
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collagen supplements. And again, this is a small subset of people, right? I work on the person
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in front of me. These are not sweeping recommendations. But again, you need to be educated. It's not
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just foods or supplements, right? It's all them together because we're linking it in for the
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perspective of your own cellular health. So the people that feel a lot better getting rid of
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oxalates, they're probably sensitive to oxalates. Plants have so many nutrients, carotenoids,
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things that you can't get through meat. So how are the carnivore people going to get the carotenoids
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front through them? They're died if they only have meat. They're going to be deficient.
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That being said, some people do do well on carnivore, right? And as more data comes out,
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we could figure out why. But yeah, regarding the oxalates, you know, those people will say,
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and they'll say just like this, those gut busting oxalates, right? They say it like it's just so,
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like it's the public enemy number one, it's fear mongering. It drives me insane. And it just
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drives me insane that how much fear sells nowadays? You have these pages with hundreds of thousands
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or millions of followers, like carnivore MD being so absolutist with everything. And what do
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you know? After a few years, now he has to have fruit with this diet because his deep carnivore
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diet, he didn't say it was causing issues, right? But I feel better adding in fruit now. Well,
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you're told everyone initially don't have any fruit. So you see how it changes over time,
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you know, nothing go too far into him. You know, I like some of the messaging, but it's the
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absolutism of it, right? My way or the highway, you're wrong. If you're not doing it this way,
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it drives me nuts. Some other things I see some trends, vitamin D, a lot of people know
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holistic space are saying, do not supplement with vitamin D. It's a hormone. We make it a by our
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set on our own. Well, how do we make it? We make it with genes, right? That make proteins.
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So I have mutations in the gene that makes vitamin D and skin from sunlight. So my vitamin D
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levels struggle to be where they need to be unless I'm supplementing your route. I have a harder
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time converting. So if you're listening here and you've taken a vitamin D supplement, your levels
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don't go up. Doctor doesn't know why it happened to me. My levels were super low. They give me
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vitamin D. It barely went up. Give me more barely went up. I asked them what's going on. Like, oh,
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I don't know. We can do injections if you want. I did injections. Didn't go up that much.
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They have no idea why people know holistic space will say, well, you need your boron
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and your magnesium to help it get processed. Absolutely true. But what else happens?
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You're taking one form of vitamin D that actually needs to be converted into another form of
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vitamin D by a certain gene. I have a lot of mutations in that gene. If your vitamin D levels
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don't go up no matter what I'm 99.99% certain. It's not an absorption issue. You can't convert it.
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The form we test on blood work is not the form you supplement with. So it's like imagine
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you're supplementing with A and it gets turned into B and you test B on blood work. If you take
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all the A and B isn't going up, you can't turn the A into the B. So what do we do? We give you
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the B directly and that I've seen truly completely change lives within a day or two because
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throughout your entire life, these genes are locked in forever. Your cells have been starving
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for B, right? That other form of vitamin D. There's been the roadblock even if through foods or
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supplements. So I don't think everyone needs to be on vitamin D. But for a significant amount of
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people, at least a lot of people that I work with, we add that form and it's truly life changing
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and it just bothers me. People will come to me. I even say the word vitamin D. They're like shaking.
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They're like, oh, I heard it's going to cause calcification. I heard it's a hormone. So we
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shouldn't take it. It's like a lot of these practitioners that demonize vitamin D because it's a
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hormone. You make it yourself. They'll give people testosterone or estrogen. Hey, that's a hormone
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too. Why are you allowed to give them sex hormones? People don't really understand. It's really
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hypocritical. It's like, well, why one, not the other. Are you like pro-cal or you kind of like,
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well, no, I'm just pro like, let's eat real food. And then if you have a response to it,
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then let's dig deeper because obviously not everyone is going to get genetically tested right away,
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whether they should or not. That's just not a reality, right? What is the lens people should be
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looking at in their day to day prior to getting genetically tested? Yeah, I'm so glad you mentioned
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that. This is actually a new project I've been working on because you're right. Even though
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self-decode does not sell data, they don't structure their business that way. It's hit but like,
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I'm 100% confident the data is safe. They don't need to sell data. They make their money other
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ways through memberships and those types of things. Some people never going to get it done, right?
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Personally, I'm biased, right? I think it's a shame because when interpreted correctly,
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keyword interpreted correctly, it holds so many secrets to really expedite your healing,
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that being said, how do we learn the language of our body, right? And what I've realized is
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starting to educate people one cell pathway at a time. Now, a cell pathway,
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vitamin D is one cell signaling pathway. You take vitamin D, it signals to your cells with that
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pathway, right? It tells them to make certain genes and make you feel better. You have things like
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histamine signaling. People may think that's just with regards to allergies. Allergies can release
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this histamine, but so many other foods we have, supplements we take, activities we do can actually
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raise that histamine in the body, excess histamine. What does that look like in the body? So many things,
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anxiety, ADHD, brain fog, headaches, migraine, joint pain, insomnia, things like glutamate.
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That's another signaling system in the body. Well, excess glutamate has a lot of the same exact
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symptoms as excess histamine. So if you're listening and you have headaches or migraines,
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is it a histamine issue? Is it a glutamate issue? Is it both, right? So trying to teach people,
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I used this bucket analogy, right? What's filling up your bucket? What's filling up your histamine
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bucket? I can tell right away when my histamine gets elevated. That was a major factor for my brain fog,
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anxiety throughout the first 28 years of my life. And then I learned, okay, that weird feeling I
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have in my head, it's high histamine. I changed up my diet. I cleaned up my gut. But now I could tell
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right away, oh, what did I eat? Oh, I had some tomatoes. Those are high in histamine. So
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things like coffee, tomatoes, fermented things, these are high in histamine. Now, are they
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inherently bad? No, you're not going to hear me on Instagram saying, never have tomatoes again,
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they're bad for everybody, right? No, you need that level of nuance. But I'll give you an example.
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Someone wakes up in the morning and they have apple cider vinegar in the morning. Great for blood
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sugar, also very high in histamine. They have black coffee, also very high in histamine. So they're
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fasting in the morning, have their apple cider vinegar, then they go to the gym, exercise releases
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histamine, natural process. So no wonder why you're light headed, you're dizzy, you're anxious,
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you have a headache, you feel off. What you thought was a nice, fasted workout was a massive
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histamine bomb, which filled up the bucket. So you kind of see it's a different angle. Does that
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make sense? Yeah, yeah. I mean, in a sense, you're saying sometimes these choices we're making,
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whether they're food or lifestyle are overwhelming like the cell pathways, really, right? Exactly.
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Like I've gotten people off of sleeping medication or off anxiety medication because they were more
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strategic about what healthy foods they're putting into their body. Think of it this way,
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anxiety, brain fog, ADHD, OCD, insomnia, chronic pain. I mentioned excess histamine,
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excess glutamate, things like excess sulfur, excess adrenaline. These are all pathways. Now,
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if I was going to make a course of program, how to address anxiety, I would talk about histamine,
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glutamate, sulfur, adrenaline. And I say those four because those are the four I've identified that
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are really in our control based on what we do in our day to day life. If I wanted to make a course
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about insomnia, I would talk about those four things again. If I made a course about headaches,
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I talk about those four things again. So you see, it's all the same things are just manifesting
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differently in different people. Some people get skin issues from the excess histamine,
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some get more brain fog, some get hives. So you see, rather than just teaching in terms of the
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label, the issue you're having, what is the underlying cellular pathways that are messed up that
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are causing your issue. So then you can look at your life and see, okay, I have a lot of histamine
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in the morning. That's when I have brain fog. Wow, let me make those changes within a day or two,
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I feel a lot better. Then I'm going to try looking. Wow, I have a lot of sulfur for dinner. Let me try
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lowering that sulfur for dinner. Wow, I sleep so much better. I sleep better throughout the night.
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I wake up feeling a lot more clear. It sounds wild, but out of the hundreds of people that I worked with,
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I've seen these patterns. So again, it's how do we educate people about the cells without requiring
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that genetic test, right? Because I can't work with everyone one-on-one. We got to get this
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information out. I mean, it is a bit challenging now because even as you're talking about, you know,
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just using histamine glutamate levels is like, I'm just imagining the person listening or watching
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who's never been genetically tested or even blood test is like, but how would I know that it's
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histamine like these words are even foreign to so many people? It's kind of like my wife and I
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always laugh because my kids will look at their plate now and they'll say like, well, what proteins
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on that plate, what carbohydrates, you know, what starch is. And I'm just like, man, I never,
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when I was a kid, looked at a plate of food and thought, protein, carbohydrates,
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it's a very modern way of thinking. Like, back in the day, it was more like, well, what meat
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is on your plate? What vegetable? We didn't look at it as the more scientific, you know, name or label,
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right? So in many ways, I guess I'm struggling with, well, how does the person who's listening
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or watching this, who doesn't know their genetics, their genes, how do they take away from this
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episode, something that they can apply to their day to day. Without obviously making sweeping generalizations,
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I mean, in a sense, do you almost have to kind of take, okay, well, I've had this many clients
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or over the years and you almost just kind of pick patterns that you see. I mean, is that kind
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of what you have to do? Yeah. And you're absolutely right. And again, this is a newer project of
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mind, right? And it's a very detailed focus way of thinking, right? I'm trying to figure out how
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to distill that down. And I must say, histamine is a major factor for people. That's because stress,
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EMFs, microplastics, these are all things that raise histamine in the body as well.
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Pesticides, right? We're all getting more and more and more of these, but I actually made,
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I released a course about the histamine pathway, everything you're control, what can fill up the
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bucket, what can empty it, right? I'm going to be releasing these other ones. What my point is,
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right now, what I like to tell people is, if you're struggling with some of these issues, and again,
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I just named so many common issues for people, right? The aches and pain, all these, I call them
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the check engine lights, right? It's the warning signs that if you don't do something over the next
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several years, things get a lot worse. That's how diseases start, right? But right now, the
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genetics can help, but if you have a headache, what do you try first, glutamate or histamine?
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That's why I believe educating about factors that elevate histamine or foods, there's a worksheet
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I made where you can look, you could write out what you put in your body, what time of the day,
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and go with a highlighter and say, wow, look at all that histamine. You know what might actually
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help even is like, okay, let's assume no one even knows what glutamate or histamine is,
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because I always think of histamine as just an allergy response. What is a histamine?
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It's a neurotransmitter in the body, so is glutamate. They're both functional units inside
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of the body. We are always releasing glutamate and histamine every day. They excite the brain.
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They help keep us awake and alert. And we know excess of either of those is linked to
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overexcitation of the brain. A lot of medications that lower glutamate or lower histamine
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are linked to improving anxiety, depression, those types of things.
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Histamine is released during allergies outside of the brain. It's also released during general
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inflammation. So what makes you feel sick? Like when you're actually sick, a lot of times it's all
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that histamine being released. But what I'm saying is based on food, supplements, lifestyle habits,
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you can raise your histamine and feel kind of sick, except you're not actually sick,
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because while being sick releases a bunch of other bad stuff, right? That histamine is what can
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make you feel irritable. It can make you have cramps or bloating. Fun fact, estrogen actually raises
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histamine. So if you're a female listening, a lot of PMS issues, it's most likely a histamine
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issue. Again, what are the symptoms of PMS, right? Irritability, brain fog, cramps, a lot of
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the similar stuff I mentioned that excess histamine can cause. But I'm with you trying to figure out
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how to educate the people about these things. They're naturally present in our bodies.
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Based on the foods that we eat or the supplements we take or the things we do, we can raise the levels
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or lower the levels. Without someone having taken that test, what are some things that people
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should be mindful of? And let's just break it up. First, let's just talk about food. What are
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some things we should be mindful of with our food choices? I know you are specifically passionate
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about even tying our food choices into our ancestral food choices. But what does that mean to you?
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We're on the everyday and sexual podcasts, right? And sexual is a big buzz word, right? Am I
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say buzz word? I don't meet it in a bad way, right? But it is got a lot of attention lately. But what
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people fail to understand, a lot of people fail to understand is what's ancestral for me may not be
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what's ancestral for you. We all have the same ancestors tactically when you go way, way back,
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right? Initially, we all evolved from the same descendants. But if you're someone that
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let's just say you're Russian, very, very cold. Your genes did not evolve to process
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fruits as well, right? And when I say that, that doesn't mean Russians shouldn't eat fruits, right?
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I'm not saying that, but my point is someone whose ancestors evolved in a very cold climate.
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Over time, they adapted their genes evolved. Whoever was able, when these genetics happened
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randomly, let's just say thousands of years ago, you know, I'm a Russian child, I'm born and
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when the sperm at the egg, I got a new mutation that may be processed animal fat a little bit better,
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saturated fat a little bit better. Let's just say that. So when there was periods of famine, right?
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And there wasn't enough a lot of food going around. If we all got just enough food to survive,
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I have a genetic edge because my mutations let me process the saturated fat better.
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So I'm able to survive when the food gets scarce. And if you didn't have that mutation,
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you're more likely to die off. So then I passed on my genes to my children. And then you see how
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over time do that over millions of years, versus if you're in the, if you lived in the Caribbean,
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of group in the Caribbean, right? You're going to be getting access to all these very high GI,
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fructose carbohydrate sources from fruits and things. And when you're eating animals,
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they're not going to have as much fat on them because they don't need like blubber
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to survive in that area. So when we say, ancestrally, that doesn't inherently mean everyone just go
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out the wazoo with the organ meats. Organ meats are extremely nutritious for people. And that's
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why I love pluck, right? Because it's, it's little sprinkles of it. I see a lot of people can actually
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get copper toxicity or vitamin A issues due to having six, eight pills of beef liver every single day
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for a long period of time. I had a client. Her child was born with jaundice. Her child was born
27:53
like orange because of all the copper that accumulated in his liver because she was supplementing
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with beef liver every day. You bring up something I talk a lot about and I'd love to hear your answer
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to it. So two things. So I'll ask one and then I'll ask the other. The first one is, well,
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it's just small amounts. So how do I know I'm getting enough? You're saying regarding the organ
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meats. Yeah. Like this is obviously not necessary for people that are taking the supplements and capsules.
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But like who are sprinkling it on their food? They judge that for something to work, it has to be
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in excess or being specific amounts. Yeah. That goes back to like the principle of synergy,
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right? Nutrient synergy as well. You don't need as high doses of certain things when you have other
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complimentary nutrients as well. If you're not taking any B vitamins, then yeah, maybe a little more
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organ meats could be useful for you, right? A little more of that. But it also depends what other
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nutrients are you getting? How do you know specifically if you're getting too much organ meats or
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not? I mean, you could check for things like iron levels, maybe a bit high, copper levels. You can
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look into that. But I think going by how you feel can help a lot for people. But it's also understanding
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don't add too many things all at once, especially if you're kind of just doing it on your own.
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But I think there's a lot of power in these lower moderate dosages of a more diverse nutrient set
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rather than just relying on a whole bunch of liver every day to get you what you need, right? I'm
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not a big mega dose type of guy. I like more supplements and nutrients, but that you need
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based on your genetics, but more minor moderate dosages. It's like building the right football team,
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right? Or building the right orchestra of nutrients. You may tell me, oh, I tried that supplement
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in the past. It didn't do anything. But now when it's in the right context with the other team
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players that your body needs, then it's like holy crap. This is working for me because nature
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isn't supposed to be done just in isolation like that. You got to find the right isolated things
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that your body needs. But don't you find, though, and with your experience with genetics,
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and then also your experience with your clients, that part of human nature is that the things
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that are sustainable are the things we get in small amounts. So that in a sense, it's almost like
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it's very human. And even when you're talking about genes about how well you can get too much,
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there's excess response that is it possible that genetically or as just humans,
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just the genetics of humans that we are going to be better off in getting small amounts of
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things, whether it's food or even intimacy, or they say like you need to take breaks in between
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knowledge and whatnot, but that maybe on a cellular level that we respond better and can maintain
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that response when things are in smaller amounts. Does that sense check with you at all?
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Yeah, no, that sense definitely does check, right? And of course, my brain always thinks there's
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always outliers. If I have one mutation in a gene, like a studied mutation and you have 10,
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you're probably going to need high doses of that nutrient for the rest of your life, right? But
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those are outliers. I hear what you're saying. I think a lot of it comes down to, I mean,
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call it just, I don't know if you want to call it capitalistic brainwashing reminds you like the
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whole workaholic type thing, too. It's all one and the same, right? It is. It's like to go big or
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go home with all these things. And, you know, I also think too, I think it's really interesting how
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vigilant people will be about what food they put in their body. Yet in the same breath,
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they'll like blindly pop supplements like it's nothing because supplements are highly, highly,
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highly concentrated nutrients. And think about this, you're popping, you know, six pills of
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beef liver that's freeze dried in like a powder. Would you need that much beef liver, right? So
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that's also to like some of these multivitamins have like 80,000 percent of the daily B12 dosage.
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Now, I've taken some of them, felt good on them for period of time, right? It's not like they're
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bad for people. But yes, a lot of these supplements are so highly, highly concentrated.
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And so much higher than what even the optimal diet we would get,
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and sexually, right? As we're developing. So I agree with what you're saying, the sense of that
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there, it just depends that the individuals will need more of this less of that, you know,
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or more moderate amounts. But I agree with what you're saying, the supplements, not only are they
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high dosages, but a lot of them are such high, high dosages. All I've seen are people coming to me
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feeling like crap taking them. Of course, you're not going to come to me and hire me if you feel great,
32:44
right? Just a little bit of a, a little bit of a bias there, right? I think I'm artificially
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selecting for more genetically sick people, because let me put it this way, if a mutation is present
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in 20% of the population, but three quarters of my clients have it, you kind of see how why you
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come at a work with me. I'm never the PhD scientists turned into holistic genetic health coach or
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scientist or whatever. That's never the first stop. I'm used to being the end of the line for people.
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Why did none of the cookie cutter conventional medicine or holistic medicine or functional medicine?
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Why did none of these protocols work for you? Because they're built around your label or your
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ailment. Let me take so and so's line disease protocol or this doctor's line protocol or that
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doctor's line protocol. Don't get me wrong. They definitely help a lot of people, right? But why are
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none of these cookie cutter things working? They're focusing on the label or the issue, not your body,
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right? What do your cells need? Molds are being thing now and I work with a lot of families.
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And if a family of five is living in a moldy house, why are only two of them bed ridden? The other
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three are pretty okay. Maybe just minor headaches or brain fog or something. You see how it's not
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just the exposure to these things. It's how our cells, the biology of them, how well are they able
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to fight these things off and be resilient? You know, my approach isn't just about getting you
34:14
feeling better. It's providing yourself with the right nutrients. So you get better, but you stay
34:20
better due to improved cellular resilience. It's like, you know, you should not need to do a parasite
34:26
cleanse once a quarter. Let me put it that way. Like if you need to do them that, that often,
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there's other root cause things that figure out we've all inhaled the mold spore. We have good
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parasites in us, right? Why does it go south for certain people? Of course, I'm going to say,
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you know, the genetics because if it was just the exposure, you wouldn't have a massively different
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response from the same family that live in the same household. I really respect what you're bringing
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to the light, which is, you know, we're bombarded with absolute says you started this with and with
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kind of very do this. Don't do that kind of mentality. But what you're trying to say is, well,
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it's not so blanket and we really need to actually dig deeper with some genetic testing and get
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specific to you. I know that's the harder part for people to hear because then it's like, oh,
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I have to go do another test or this or that. They see the work that they're going to have to do,
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but what in a sense, what you're saying though is like, it's actually more simple than you,
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than you think because right now you're spinning your wheels and you don't know what's causing
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or not causing a reaction. And by just doing the testing, we can get really granular. I do want to
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ask so specifically around supplements, what's your take though on like natural supplements versus
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synthetic in the body's response to that? Do you do you see a difference or does that matter to
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you like what it's actually source from or is the sourcing everything as a pharmacologist to me,
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natural versus synthetic does not matter whatsoever. All that matter is the molecular structure
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of the nutrient. So the molecular structure dictates how it interacts with your cells,
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what receptors it binds to, what proteins it blocks. That's what pharmacology is. That's what my PhD
36:14
is in. Now that being said, then you need to make sure sourcing is important because if you had a
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totally pure molecule that was made synthetically of the same molecule that's present in nature,
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if they were actually totally pure, they're the exact same. But if you do cheap, you know,
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weird extraction methods, right, maybe the synthetic form has other byproducts or other
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acceptance or other additives, right? So you see how once there's other additives involved,
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what does that mean? There's other molecules in the mixture now. And now there's other molecules
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that cannot agree with your body and interact in an unfavorable way. Arsenic is one of the most
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potent toxins in the world. And that's a natural thing. And there's been a lot of synthetic things
37:08
that have been made like peptides are made synthetically. And they're completely taking the world by
37:14
storm. I want to advance my education. I don't use them very often with my clients, but I'm definitely
37:19
interested in them because I see the value. They're synthetically made peptides protein sequences.
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But as long as you know what that protein sequence does in the body, then you can have a very
37:32
favorable effectiveness to safety profile. So again, the natural versus synthetic does not matter.
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All that matters is the molecular structure. But if it's not cleaned out properly or there's
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other non-specific things in there, well, now you're it's not an apple is the apples comparison,
37:49
right? You're comparing eating an apple to eating an apple and orange, a strawberry, all these
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other things. And it's not an actual head to head comparison. When you say that what matters is
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that molecular structure, is that the same thing as like I was just doing some research recently,
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like around beta-carotene, for example. Sometimes you'll see supplements that have beta-carotene
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and others will have retinol, right? And the idea is that well retinol is more absorbable in the
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human body. But is that the distinction you're making or are you saying like no beta-carotene or
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retinol, it doesn't matter. The reason why it's called beta-carotene or retinol is because they
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are two different things. They are different in molecular structure. Now, they're going to be
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similar. The only way you get retinol is from that beta-carotene, right? Like that's how it works.
38:40
But how does that work? So we get beta-carotene through plants. The BCMO gene, back it up a bit.
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Genes think are instructions to make proteins. Proteins are the workhorses of your body. So think
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of it being like a factor in assembly line. The BCMO gene makes the BCMO protein. What does that
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worker do? That worker's job from nine to five is to convert beta-carotene into retinol. Now,
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if you have one mutation there, it may not be a big deal. If you have several, instead of that
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worker doing a nine to five, the worker does a nine to twelve and doesn't come back after lunch.
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You're eating this beta-carotene and it's not being converted. Now, there are some unique benefits
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to chest beta-carotene. But you also want that retinol, very, very important, especially for
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eye health, very important for liver health, very, very important. So you see what I'm saying?
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They're not the same thing. They're similar. And again, where the genetics come into play,
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do you need more direct retinol? And who is that really important for? Well, A, people with these
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mutations. But imagine if you're vegan and all you get are plant sources. If you're vegan and
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all you eat are plants and no animal sources of any kind. If you have that mutated gene,
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you're going to be struggling unless you take probably pretty solid dosages of retinol,
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right? Because how else is your body going to get it? Your body cannot. Not that it can't make
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any of it. You literally die, right? But again, if that worker's only doing a two-hour workday,
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he's going to be working, working, working, and you're going to be experiencing those issues
40:22
of that deficiency. So you see it's not just supplements or foods or genetics. They all come
40:28
together. And I like saying I look through the lens of cellular health. To me, it's brain health,
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gut health, joint health, skin health. These are all cells in our bodies. And when we take a supplement,
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if we take a supplement for brain health, it doesn't just go to your brain cells. It gets distributed
40:46
in your bloodstream to every cell in your body, right? That's why I look like looking from the lens
40:52
of what are your unique cells need more of nutrient-wise, every cell in your body.
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Let's give them more of those nutrients and limit what they're sensitive to.
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Our cells want to make us happy and healthy, right? We just got to give them what they need to
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get into that state. That's a really great segue to this last question, which is if our cells want
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to be happy on a certain level, they know what they need and want, right? Where does swallowing
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a capsule and bypassing that communication, the lingual, you know, neural communication and
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eating food? Where's the distinction there? Because in many ways, if we're eating the food and
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utilizing, you know, our biological senses that have developed hundreds of thousands of years to
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inform us of, is this food going to nourish us or kill us, right? If we're eating the food in
41:42
getting that communication, you know, shouldn't we get a little bit closer through that intuitive
41:46
eating of knowing, like, is this food right for me or wrong for me? Isn't swallowing supplements
41:53
sort of a bypass of that intuitive knowledge? Yes, absolutely to some extent. I do agree with
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that. And here's the thing, too, it's we get to have all the wishful thinking in the world that
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food is medicine always and everyone's going to eat perfectly, right? But the sad reality is,
42:07
and I've realized this as I've been doing this with people for the past couple years,
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a lot of people don't want to make changes. They're looking for the pill, right? And it's like,
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I'm totally, totally with you, light. And then it also comes into a lot of the food is less
42:22
nutritious than it was. And if you really want to go even deeper, it's less nutritious based on what
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they're fed. But think about to how they're treated, right? This can go so, so deep. I mean,
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if the farmer is struggling, are the cows going to pick up on the stress of the farmer, right? We
42:40
know that the stress levels of the cows, right, affect their meat quality, too, right? Let alone
42:46
the quality of the grass that they're eating, right? So it's the foods aren't as nutritious as
42:52
they used to be. And we're lazier than ever. So it's like, I'm totally with you like, I think the
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least supplements I've taken in years now, because I figure out what really, really works for me,
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I try to get it through food as much as I can. But also, it's one thing when you are
43:08
doing pretty well and want to feel better. But when you're really, really sick and you've
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been chronically ill and you've been feeling like crap for a long time, you're stuck in a rut.
43:16
I believe these nutrients, these more potent nutrients can really help you the catalyst to get
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you out of that rut. If you've been sick for a long time, I think it's less likely that just
43:28
cleaning up your diet is going to fix everything. And that's exactly why most people I work with
43:34
are already eating all organic. They already do all these things, right? They're doing all these
43:39
things yet they still feel like crap. Why? Then there's the whole toxins around us as well, right?
43:45
Why do we need to supplement closing line here? We need to supplement because the food's less
43:50
nutritious, we are inhaling pesticides every single day. We're exposed to more metals, we're exposed
43:56
to more viruses, right? We're exposed to so many more things that deplete our micronutrients,
44:03
because our cells have to work harder to detox all the time due to our toxic modern world.
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Then you throw in the genetics, wow, not only am I burning through this nutrient faster
44:15
due to all the toxins, but now I also genetically don't absorb that nutrient as well. So you see,
44:23
it can really stack on top of itself. Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Tyler, for
44:28
sharing your wisdom and perspective here. And I think if anything, what I hope people walk away from
44:35
not only just the fact that we're all individual and that we want to honor the our own cellular
44:42
individuality, but more importantly, don't self-diagnose. Don't just spin your wheels like,
44:49
you know, using Google to figure out, oh, this is what's going on. I should just follow what,
44:53
you know, Joe Shimo is telling me, you know, influencer on Instagram, just go get tested. Go
44:58
to someone like Dr. Tyler, go to someone you trust, ideally get tested for specifically you,
45:04
because you will in the long run, you will save money. Time is money as you started out saying.
45:11
And you will save money in the long run by just getting as specific as you can, specifically,
45:17
as you pointed out, when you are not feeling well and you've been in chronic disease for a long time,
45:22
like you should not be in chronic illness for most of your life. This is a short life. We need
45:27
to be thriving. We all deserve to thrive and a lot of us accept so much less than we really deserve
45:35
because we're told it's normal. Up, you're 35. It's part of aging. A bunch of crap if you ask me.
45:40
Yeah. Well, thank you so much for joining me. How can people find you? How can they work with you?
45:46
Yeah. So at Dr. Tyler Pansner, I'm on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn, TikTok, www.DrTylerPanser.com.
45:55
I do, as I mentioned, one-on-one genetic work. I just released the histamine course and I'll give
46:01
you for the show notes. Have a free cell signaling course, free genetics course, and I really want
46:06
to give people these resources to begin to open their eyes to see how I do. I have some practitioner
46:13
training courses. I'm not running them currently, but newsletter, all those things, a lot of
46:18
really exciting stuff in the pipeline and one last thing. I wanted to offer a $150 discount to
46:24
cover the cost of the DNA kit itself for any of your listeners. What would you want that discount
46:30
code to be? I would say everyday ancestral might be a little wordy though. Yeah, let's just do EA.
46:35
Okay. Yeah, we'll do EA 150. Yeah, that covers the DNA kit and then I do a couple different
46:41
one-on-one packages. So any of you guys are interested. This isn't just for people that are very,
46:46
very sick. I worked a lot of people that are doing pretty well that just want to feel even better,
46:51
like whether it's entrepreneurs, all different types of people. We all have genetic mutations
46:57
that can be supported naturally. I truly believe this can help anyone feel better. Just depends
47:02
on where you're at on your journey, one type of support you need. Happy to set up a call and chat
47:06
about that. Yeah, that EA 150. I'm saving that DNA kit. Thank you so much for having me on. I hope
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