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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles 053026 LIVE, - FOIA, Files, and Fighting Debt: Real Wins from the Radio Ranch · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
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  Certainly,
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  we would as well. We'd love to change the world. This is the Radio Ranch with Rogers sales, the seven o edition for Saturday,
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  05/30/2026.
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  Our website
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  is thematrixstocks.com
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  where you'll find links to free conference call so you can dial us up and join us Can barely hear you, Paul.
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  If you have any questions
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  There you go. If if you have any questions, you wanna come into the show,
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  come on down.
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  Thanks to pastor Eli James,
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  and we're on radio.globalvoiceradio.net
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  and rumble.globalvoiceradio.net.
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  Good morning, Raj. How you doing?
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  Unknown: Hey, Paul. I made it back. Sorry. You have to run do something there real quick.
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  Unknown: Yes. Happy Saturday here. Did we I don't know how far you got into the intro. Well, you know, the perks Pretty much got everything covered. We're we're ready to ready to roll
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  Unknown: on. Okay. Sorry for that.
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  Morning. How you doing out there on Saturday morning? Sorry.
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  Little Saturday thing that started here, I don't five years ago. So in COVID, thinking there might be people that did work during the week might wanna come on on the weekend. So we started the Saturday show. We've had some real good ones.
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  Sometimes it's a little torturous, you know, getting,
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  whatever. You're talking about going into the summer now, and, of course, people like to,
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  if you can afford it, get out with your family and whatnot if you've got one.
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  So, anyway, we'll see. We've had some pretty good Saturday shows lately. We were gonna debate on whether to
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  maybe put them on the back burner for a while through the summer. I don't know. I just want to
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  yeah. I I I want us to grow, and we wanna have a conversation,
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  and that's
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  best with new people, of course.
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  And, otherwise, as I said, it's, somewhat tortured occasionally.
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  But regardless, we're here for you. That's why we get up and do these slides. So if you're a new person, there's somebody right there. I'm gonna talk to him in just a second.
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  Get to Mike and, or others, and that's what we
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  get up in the morning for. Good morning, mister Michael Mayo. How are you doing?
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  Unknown: Hey. Pretty good. How are you doing this morning? Oh, I'm alright.
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  Okay. Update. Did you read the email I sent you last Wednesday?
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  Unknown: I did not see it, Michael. I'm sorry to say.
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  Okay. It may have gone over and spam.
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  You know, my damn me email client has a bad habit of putting stuff over in in spam scam. Spam. That's no problem. Okay. Alright. What do do? I get a
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  Unknown: last Wednesday, I get a phone call about
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  11:30 in the afternoon at work, and it's from Washington DC. Guess who it was?
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  Unknown: It
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  Unknown: was from the secretary of state ask
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  asking me did I still want
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  my
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  FOIA or proper information request
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  filled.
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  And I said, well,
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  a month after I submitted it, I got a letter from y'all saying that my
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  request was too vague. He goes, well, we can refill it now. I said, after four and a half years? Oh, yeah.
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  And I said Good god. To him. I know.
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  Well,
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  anyways, I got the information.
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  And, apparently,
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  the affidavit
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  on the application, I got I got six pieces of paper. Three of them were
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  asking
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  basically saying, hey. If I don't like the judgment they made,
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  I can appeal it. But I got all they gave me was the copy on the photocopy,
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  a copy of my application,
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  my birth certificate, and my driver's license.
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  And I asked him about my affidavit,
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  and he said, the only thing in there is a notation on the passport application
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  that the affidavit was sent,
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  read,
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  and noted, and I've got the copy of it. And it says it on there, affidavit of citizenship evidence. But he said, but the copy of it is not in the file. I said, do I have to contact the secretary of state
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  for the administrative file and access it through that? He goes, He didn't know. I said, Well, here's my passport number. He said, Well, I don't have access to the system. He goes, I said, You don't have access to the pass system to look at my status? No. I'm just a FOIA officer. I said, okay. Thank you. And you hung up on me.
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  So that's what I Four
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  Unknown: and a half years later, they didn't have the affidavit in your file.
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  They had a notation that it had been noted,
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  that they didn't say if it had been acted on or not.
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  No. I would says is, you know, it was
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  what?
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  Unknown: It was just submitted and read.
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  Unknown: I would almost ask for a a what's your next step in your administrative hearing because you want that affidavit in there, not just noted, and you wanna know that it's acted on. Is this reflected in the passport you issued to me?
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  I think that's what I do.
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  Unknown: I'm I'm supposed to take a couple days vacation. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to call them during the day and find out what the problem is.
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  But Wow. That's weird, Michael. We never had that happen. They got it to me They got it to me. Certified mail within six days.
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  Unknown: Now this was to the secretary of state FOIA. What was it wasn't a FOIA. It was a privacy request or a FOIA? It was a privacy request. He said he's a privacy request FOIA officer.
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  Okay.
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  Unknown: And then And told him about and a half years later. Yeah.
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  Four and a half years later. And I told him, well, I'm not a citizen in The United States or resident. I says, I'm under eight USC eleven zero one. You know? He goes he goes, I know what that is. I've heard that before.
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  He said, but I can't access your your status right now because I don't have access to the PASS system. I said, okay. That sounds a little strange. Well, alright. We'll knock them next week and see. It's a very interesting response and reply, and it's not usual because we've never heard it before.
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  Unknown: And we'll be anxious to see how you Yeah. The next call. I I
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  Unknown: got on the phone call later that day with everybody and and let them know what happened. You just left. So
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  I thought I'd give you a heads up on what they're doing out there. They're notating it on the application, but they're not actually putting it in the file.
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  Unknown: Well, in your case, in others, they've gotten it back, and it was in there. So there's inconsistency
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  here, and that's what you need to hold the team.
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  Unknown: When I got the app when I got the info all my documents back, I said the affidavit was in the documents that you sent back.
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  Unknown: So
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  Unknown: Okay. Well, like, talk to him. I'd
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  I'd request a hearing, say, why isn't this stuff in there? Why isn't it prominent? Yeah. And why did it take four and a half years for me to get this answer back?
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  Unknown: Yeah. But because they sent me within a month saying that my, my request is too broad. Had been received.
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  Unknown: Oh, oh, and denied. Okay. Well, yeah. Well, you need to get some answers, Michael.
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  Unknown: At say, I'd like to find out. What's the next step in my administrative hearing? Do I have to do do I have to do, the the form where I have to update the application?
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  Unknown: You know? I don't I don't Michael,
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  I don't know. You you need to Yeah. I know. I know. I know. Next week, you need to ask him. Okay?
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  Unknown: Because every every give you a a head up.
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  Unknown: Okay. Well, thank you. Everything you've laid out here is a first time original impression and very unusual.
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  So we'll be anxious to see how they proceed when you
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  hold their feet to the fire a little bit, Michael. See, here's your, this is one of those things. You didn't you didn't the first time at bat with the magistrate,
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  you were under,
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  unusual circumstances,
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  let's say. This time, you're with the head guys,
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  and you got a little more clarity on what you're doing, don't you? Yes. You do.
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  So, yeah, do the administrative appeal and start getting a little belligerent.
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  Why isn't this in my administrative file?
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  Ain't that what it's meant for? Anything I send you is supposed to be not noted. It's supposed to be in my administrative file. Why didn't that happen?
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  Well, you got a lot of ammunition, Michael.
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  Unknown: Question.
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  Unknown: Okay.
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  Unknown: Yes. Question. Did he record
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  did he record the conversation?
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  Unknown: Probably not because I think they called him at work. Mike, you didn't record it, did you? No. I they all I seen was the number Washington,
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  Unknown: and I just didn't think of who was calling me from Washington.
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  Unknown: Okay.
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  Unknown: So anybody else got anything from Michael's? Report that I know it, so I could probably request that recording.
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  Unknown: Well, it may be in there. Anybody else got anything from Michael on this? Pretty interesting situation here to start the show. Question.
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  There's a question. Yes, sir. Could you talk right in the microphone, please? Is that Shane? Yeah. Yeah. Can you hear me now better?
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  Well, a little bit. Can is it Shane? Is it George? Who is this?
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  Unknown: This is Frank. I I I'm not on my headset. I'm just using
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  maybe if I take it off a speakerphone,
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  would that help?
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  Unknown: That probably would help. If you speak right in the microphone, we can hear you a little bit better. Is this Frank in Colorado?
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  Yes, sir. Is this better? Hey, Frank. Yeah. A little bit. We can hear you now. Okay.
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  Unknown: A a question. So I I I've done this a couple times because I was always concerned about having records or not in the administrative file.
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  And I recently,
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  last week, submitted under the privacy act
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  individual
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  information
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  in my administrative file, and I filled out a d s four two four zero dash r.
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  I don't know if that form number has ever come up in conversations before,
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  but when I went through this and I'm waiting to hear back,
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  I ended up needing to also get it, an it notarized
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  because I'm requesting information on me, and I had to prove that I am me.
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  So I don't know if the person who was from before submitted that form as well.
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  Unknown: Well, Michael did this back in nineteen
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  twenty twenty one or something, so I'm not sure if he remembers what all he did. Frank,
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  this is very unusual.
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  Never heard them reply back and say that the information you're requesting is too vague
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  and then wait four and a half years to contact you and and that just doesn't make sense.
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  Unknown: Well, I also,
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  a year or so ago, tried to request the same information using the FOIA
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  method, and that's where learning from their show that it probably needed to be the privacy act. Yeah. So that's when I started searching more about that and found this form.
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  And Yes. So I went through the process again, and I'm doing
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  I'm gonna see what they said. And I said, my request, the description of records is
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  proof of copy on file of notarized
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  two page affidavit
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  and then for instance, citizenship
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  evidence
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  of citizenship
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  status submitted on or about the day that I did in order to obtain the passport card, which is part of this requester's administrative file. That was item number one that I requested.
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  The other thing that I put down, because there's always been the debate and conversation on this show, I also pointed out directly and asked them, I also want evidence of TDIS
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  slash
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  ACS endorsement
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  that is related to my passport card per eight FAM five zero five two point two.
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  And and I'm gonna see what they say on that, and I'll report back. But So that's what you're asking is what status they've got you registered as?
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  Yes. So I'm I'm asking you for two. Now first and foremost, I want to make sure that it's in there, and I'd be curious to see if they come back and actually report the status. So the the only thing I wanna bring to the conversation, Roger, and good to speak with you again this Saturday, is that this form d s dash four two four zero r
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  is the specific form for the salesperson
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  requesting their own information. I did a Unprivacy.
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  Letter that was notarized.
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  Unknown: Okay. A form four two four o. I've never heard of it before, Frank. Some of the other folks have never gone through this personally myself, but for the audience, if you're listening,
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  there's two types of things, transparency
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  actions that you can avail yourself of. They both came from Watergate
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  years ago in the sixties,
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  and the the,
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  OMB number that we talked about was one. This is one of the other repercussions
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  of this legislation of transparency
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  is that you can request a Freedom of Information Act or Freedom of Information Request.
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  Now that's as, that's if I was going to say send a request to the FBI
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  and say, could you send me a copy of all correspondence mentioning Janine Maxwell?
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  And they're supposed to go through and fill that. I'm not asking for anything about me. I'm not asking anything about them personally. I'm asking for correspondence they may have in their records. K? The other is a privacy request is what Frank's talking about here, and that's if you wanna find out information on yourself because they've got privacy
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  requirements on all that information
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  that, they are at least supposed to, keep very secret and make sure it's you. So that's the two differences here. I've never heard of this form forty two forty. Some of our people
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  just
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  well, and I can understand it.
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  They they don't trust these sorry bastards.
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  Got no very few reasons to,
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  and,
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  they wanna make sure that all this stuff is done correctly and that they're registered in their new political status.
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  And to this point, I don't believe we've had anybody that checked that didn't have it in there. This thing with Michael,
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  why I want him to pursue it is because it's different. And what I've found
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  over all these years
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  of researching and following these guys is when you find something that's an exception like Michael's situation,
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  you go look at it. So that's why I'm encouraging Michael to do the administrative appeal, and let's get some of these questions answered.
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  It's very unusual.
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  Yes, Michael.
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  Unknown: Another
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  thing, he tried to scam me saying that, oh, passports are only issued to US citizens. I said, that's a lie. I said travel state travel.state.org.
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  It says passport issued to US citizens slash nationals.
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  I asked him, I'm not a non citizen national. I'm not a citizen of the Plains Islands or American Samoa. He goes, oh, okay.
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  Unknown: He's he doesn't know what he's talking about probably. K? So that statement, you if you ever get confronted with that, that statement's in the passport also on the first page. US passports are only issued to US citizens slash nationals. Notice,
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  it doesn't say US nationals.
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  It doesn't say noncitizen
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  nationals.
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  It says nationals.
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  See how these guys work.
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  You see how the mind games they play and how they play them.
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  Thank you, Michael. Good to talk to you. You hadn't moved to Nashville yet, have you?
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  Unknown: Well, I wish to God I need to.
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  Yeehaw. I don't know yet. The whole country is flooded with my going on here. They're trying to build a brand new AI data center on Lakeshore Drive in Birmingham.
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  And, apparently,
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  some
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  DC bought the the land for $17,500,000
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  from Regions Banks.
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  Okay?
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  Last week, two days or last week,
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  someone then paid 22,000,000
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  for
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  Then in within three hours, they flipped it and made $87,000,000.
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  Unknown: Holy
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  smokes.
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  Well, it reminds me and I'll tell this little story here. I'll bet there's some of you that haven't heard this before.
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  Reminds me of the cell phone mania.
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  Thirty years ago when they first started coming out, all those farmers up in North Georgia that had a piece of highland,
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  all of a sudden, are multimillionaires
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  overnight,
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  you know, all that.
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  I wondered about that. I don't know if any of y'all did. You ever ask
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  yourself why your cell phone bill's so high?
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  So I'm I'm down in Argentina
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  Right after the book was released and I go up to Doug Casey's Estancia
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  up there in Northern Argentina,
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  South Of Salta,
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  because he was having one of his two biannual,
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  open houses where he tries to sell you overpriced land and
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  with a his own construction company that,
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  over overcharges
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  you for what they build.
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  Anyway, I was just up there because the money people were gonna be there. The book was out. I wanted to try and make the connections,
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  etcetera. So I go up there. It was in I forgot what part of the year it was. I think it was maybe the spring.
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  And
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  and, anyway, it's a great week.
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  I guess they're still doing it. It's got a huge up
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  there,
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  range.
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  Real modern stuff, big jet set clients, but people that,
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  live there don't stay there very long, and the locals in this little town called Cafayete,
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  call it a sterile prison.
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  K? So it's quite interesting. Anyway, I spent a week up there,
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  and, so at one point, we were having a meeting on residency or something.
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  There's a number of people in the room, maybe fifty, sixty,
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  And, this little guy stands up over on the side, and everybody
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  seemed to pay a whole bunch of attention to him, and I was sitting next to the guy that had written the first,
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  first review of my book, Gary Kinghorn. I was sitting next to Gary in this meeting, and I said, who is that? And he goes, well, that's so and so. I can't remember his name. I've got his card around here somewhere.
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  So and so, he's Doug Casey and and and,
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  oh, who's he who's his buddy up there? He's their attorney.
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  They owned a lot. The international living guy,
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  his his name escapes me at the moment. Anyway, he he and Casey have a lot of land
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  and stuff down there in Argentina,
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  I hope they like Jews.
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  By the way, Peter Thiel has purchased a mansion in Buenos Aires is moving his family to Buenos Aires.
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  I was announced just the other day. So, anyway,
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  oh lord. So I I said, can we meet with him? He go tells me his name. He said he's their attorney out of Buenos Aires. He's a I said, well, can we get a meeting with him? He said, I think so. And so he did set up a meeting between us and this little just a really nice guy, Argentinian,
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  spoke English perfectly.
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  And so the minute he sat down, he's a little bit late. So we were sitting on Gary's back porch there at the table. He comes out and sits down, and he launched a conversation about passports.
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  I don't know if Gary had said something about passports when he asked him to come meet with us or what.
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  But,
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  anyway, so he starts talking about passports and and but I think the first thing he said was this. He said, you know, I used to have to go to Atlanta
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  twice a year for years.
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  I said,
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  yeah. What word what were you doing up there? And he said, well, I was doing
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  the contract with Southern Bell
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  to sell the backbone
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  of the cell phones
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  down here. It was set up by
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  Southern Bell, and then they sold it to big company out of Spain called MovieStar
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  down here. Probably other parts of the world too. I think it's Rothschilds.
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  So, anyway, he said he he was selling it to Argentina. He had to go back and forth and negotiate this contract.
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  And,
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  so, he said, this is what he told me
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  as the attorney that negotiated
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  the contracts.
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  Southern Bell had 10,000,000
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  in it. Took them 10,000,000 to build the backbone,
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  and they sold it to movie star
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  for a billion dollars.
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  That's if you had $10
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  in it, you sold it
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  for a thousand.
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  So if you wanna know why the rush,
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  a, probably same thing with these data centers, it appears,
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  and you wanna know the ROI or the return on investment
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  and how greedy these effing pigs are
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  right there. They ain't gonna let the people have cheap communication.
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  They're gonna get themselves just fat as a hog at the front end.
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  That's what's going on.
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  That's from the horse's mouth that brokered the deal
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  between Southern Bell and Movie Star for the Argentine backbone.
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  K? So that's what we're talking about here and how greedy these people are.
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  I'm sure it's the same thing with the data centers.
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  By the way, I predict they're gonna I think they're gonna fall flat on their face.
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  Remember the,
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  remember the .combust,
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  Paul?
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  In about '98,
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  everybody had rushed into .com and all, no brick and mortar stores and all that and all. And then that that that stock market crash. I think the same thing you're gonna see here with with these data centers. They cannot
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  profitably
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  project their position.
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  They can't do it. If Clint It's devastatingly.
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  Unknown: It yes. I hear just a second to do.
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  Unknown: Okay. It's devastating financially
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  for them when you really, really figure it out a little bit down the road. Okay. I got Paul talking. I got Julie wanting to talk because Paul was talking and because Nancy. Nancy, I'm getting ready to go have lunch with your sister.
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  We'll, we'll get Nancy second here. Paul, what did you have to add?
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  Unknown: Clinton was the one that,
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  that popped that bubble.
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  What's
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  it was either by an executive order or something, but Clinton deemed that
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  you
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  could not sell stock
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  in
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  something unless you had a physical
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  asset
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  backing it up.
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  And a lot of these .com
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  things, they were up in the cloud. They were on server farms and everything else. It was all leased,
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  and it basically
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  let the air out of the .com stocks.
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  And that's why that whole thing crashed. Mhmm. It's because too many people were making too much money. Much money. And they
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  well, what the hell? I mean, they're the Goyum.
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  Unknown: Have you been a good housekeeper?
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  Have you been a good little house sitter?
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  Unknown: Well, since Roxy can't speak English,
• 26:56
  I I say yes, definitely.
• 26:58
  Unknown: Okay. You probably give her bones and she barks. Good deal.
• 27:02
  Yeah. They got into my area last night. This is, Nancy's sister,
• 27:08
  Suzanne, who's the initial listener to this show years ago and her new hubby.
• 27:13
  And, they, made it back from South Ecuador to here,
• 27:17
  and they're over at our friend Diego's, which if any of you guys ever come down here, is this place
• 27:23
  that I'm going to at least suggest first to you. He's a good friend of ours,
• 27:27
  a former doctor.
• 27:29
  It's his clinic turned into a bed and breakfast, and it's $25
• 27:33
  a night and a million dollar view and a breakfast, I think. So they're over there with Diego. He is one of the nicest guys that you've ever met. You're gonna hear a lot about him, Nancy,
• 27:44
  because he's a really good guy. So, yeah, after the show, we'll pop over there. We're gonna go have a nice long lunch afternoon, whatever.
• 27:53
  Unknown: Well, I oh, that's great. I just wanted to mention with regards to data centers
• 27:59
  that Hanover County,
• 28:02
  there was a site not too far from where I live in Glen Allen,
• 28:06
  which is a part of in Ryco County.
• 28:08
  In Ryco County, which
• 28:10
  in Ryco and Hanover are very close. They kinda
• 28:14
  spoon
• 28:15
  spoon each other. Anyway,
• 28:17
  but the data center off of 33 Staples Mill, which is right right near where not too far from where I live, that was voted down.
• 28:27
  Unknown: Oh, good for them.
• 28:29
  In Virginia.
• 28:31
  And, boy, the the things I'm hearing out of Virginia in the NC, am so sorry y'all haven't put up with that.
• 28:37
  Some of it is gonna be challenged and turned around, it appears. But, man, they are using you as they've thrown you right in with New York and California and Colorado
• 28:48
  and Illinois.
• 28:50
  Unknown: Well, I think it's called catalyst under one system of thought. And if you don't have catalyst, there's not much motivation
• 28:57
  to move forward or to go beyond,
• 28:59
  your habits. So,
• 29:02
  you know, it is what it is. So Yeah.
• 29:05
  Unknown: Anyway Well,
• 29:07
  Virginia's got the unique
• 29:09
  opportunity,
• 29:10
  should they choose,
• 29:12
  on a county by county level to reaffiliate
• 29:15
  and align themselves with West Virginia. Is that movement picking up any steam? Do you hear about that at all?
• 29:22
  Unknown: I'm not, I'm not at all keeping track of that at this point.
• 29:27
  Yeah. Okay.
• 29:29
  Unknown: I just wonder, miss Yes.
• 29:31
  Unknown: Go ahead. To say that the other thing from last week about
• 29:36
  my
• 29:37
  debt collector case.
• 29:39
  So I'm now three for three, the one that was scheduled for this Monday.
• 29:44
  The attorney,
• 29:46
  their office is pulling the suit. So I'm three for three, and this is based
• 29:50
  on, you know,
• 29:52
  also one of Joe Lustica's students in his Liberty Foundation.
• 29:56
  So
• 29:57
  Mhmm. Yeah. So
• 29:59
  not that I expect
• 30:02
  success with everything. And when you're dealing with criminals, you don't know what you're gonna run up to, but run up against. But certain I was kinda disappointed
• 30:12
  Tuesday when I didn't get to get take the stand and cross examined.
• 30:17
  Unknown: Oh,
• 30:18
  what a disappointment.
• 30:21
  Yeah. Well, that's alright. I'll take the win. I tell you what. I, you know, I wouldn't wanna have you on my bonnet
• 30:28
  on
• 30:29
  a cross examination.
• 30:33
  Unknown: Yeah. But it does kinda feel like you're like dogs tucking their tail and running, but, I'll try to keep humble.
• 30:41
  Unknown: Well, you know, I guess it's just when you see the bad guys running because you got the truth or you got them beat, like, you know, these credit cases
• 30:48
  with their scam.
• 30:51
  They're still gonna get, you know, come out far ahead, but you got out of it just like the political thing. So congratulations
• 30:57
  to you. And I my prediction is Christian will do the same thing next week probably.
• 31:03
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, it's just about, you know, that you don't have to deal with this.
• 31:07
  And it's
• 31:09
  not desirable to have to deal with this, but
• 31:13
  I'm where I am because of the choices that I've made.
• 31:17
  And
• 31:18
  I'm
• 31:19
  very delighted to learn how to reexamine
• 31:22
  the choices that I've made and make new choices and then be empowered.
• 31:27
  Unknown: And so, anyway, so that's my report. I was gonna that's what I was gonna say right there. You hit it. You're empowered. You've been through this three times. You've won every time. You're going, well, ain't nothing to this.
• 31:44
  Congratulations,
• 31:45
  Unknown: Nancy. Good on you. I would say that it's it's not that there's not it's nothing to it's not it's not that it's there's nothing to it.
• 31:53
  Unknown: Lot of
• 31:55
  Unknown: I'm I'm not I'm naturally argumentative.
• 31:57
  Big surprise. Right?
• 31:59
  So
• 32:01
  a lot of people, it's intimidating.
• 32:04
  I mean, to think to to go into a court
• 32:06
  to
• 32:07
  confront authority
• 32:09
  beyond your family situation or work. But once you
• 32:14
  once you know, you get basic knowledge and verify it, and that's the big thing, is knowing whether the information that you're taking action on
• 32:22
  is verifiable,
• 32:23
  and I've done the work to verify it.
• 32:26
  Right? So that's not
• 32:28
  even then, it's not a guarantee.
• 32:31
  Mhmm. But it's about what you're willing to risk
• 32:35
  to experiment
• 32:36
  experiment in the laboratory of your life,
• 32:38
  because there is life does not come without risk, and getting out of bed staying in bed or getting out of bed is also risky.
• 32:45
  Either one. Yeah.
• 32:47
  Unknown: Yep. Well, I remember
• 32:48
  in your conversation there, it reminds me of when I
• 32:52
  found the the answers in the d s 11 form.
• 32:56
  I didn't know anybody else to talk to about this.
• 33:00
  John and Glenn were in prison. I found it. It just seemed like a sure thing to me,
• 33:05
  but I had to take and take that leap of faith,
• 33:09
  and I used my old five page
• 33:12
  affidavit and stuffed it in that thing going, boy, I sure hope they send me a passport, and lo and behold, they did.
• 33:20
  But I understand the leap of faith. Okay?
• 33:24
  Unknown: Well, it's it's a calculated risk, but, like, with Yeah. Of course, it is. Civil case, you know, it's like, okay. What's what's what are the known risks? Because we can't we can't plan for unknown, you know. Right? So what are the known risks that I'm I'm risking?
• 33:38
  Well, you know, with the civil cases, it's certainly not being handcuffed
• 33:42
  and carted off to jail. So
• 33:45
  at the worst case scenario, it's it's negotiating a payment
• 33:49
  process. Right? But Yep. So I and just one last piece about this.
• 33:55
  The business
• 33:57
  exemption rule
• 33:59
  is
• 34:00
  really powerful to understand
• 34:03
  with regard
• 34:04
  to that
• 34:05
  this whole conversation of that I'm bringing in about
• 34:09
  debt discharge
• 34:11
  and debt collectors.
• 34:13
  So but, anyway,
• 34:15
  thank you.
• 34:17
  Unknown: Well, you're welcome, Nancy. Good to hear from you.
• 34:20
  Unknown: Roger.
• 34:22
  Unknown: Here's Larry. He's got something to add. Morning, Larry.
• 34:26
  Unknown: Good morning. Nancy, I was just gonna ask you
• 34:29
  what
• 34:30
  the were these three
• 34:32
  debt collection cases, did they include summons,
• 34:35
  and
• 34:36
  did you have to file an answer?
• 34:38
  And, also,
• 34:40
  what
• 34:41
  was your argument?
• 34:43
  What if it was the same argument for all three cases that ultimately
• 34:48
  gave you a dismissal?
• 34:50
  Unknown: Well, it's not an out an out dismissal.
• 34:53
  In all three cases, it it they withdrew,
• 34:56
  and it's called a non suit.
• 34:58
  The first one back in November, the six month rest time frame for them to restart.
• 35:05
  The process has expired, so that's done.
• 35:09
  The last two, this one from Tuesday,
• 35:12
  and the one coming up on Monday,
• 35:14
  is actually the same debt collector,
• 35:18
  two different alleged original creditors,
• 35:21
  and two different law offices.
• 35:23
  The one that just got is right behind me.
• 35:26
  I they submitted their bill of particulars, which is the evidence
• 35:30
  supposedly
• 35:31
  they submit their evidence to the court and to me, and I provided a round of defense response.
• 35:38
  And they pulled the suit.
• 35:41
  And so the one coming up this Monday,
• 35:44
  they have never they didn't have the
• 35:47
  at the initial hearing, they did not have anything to show the court of any evidence of the of proof of claim, but that the court wanted to give them
• 35:58
  the opportunity
• 35:59
  to prove, you know, their claim. So we scheduled a a trial date, which is June 1. But they have never submitted their bill of particulars,
• 36:08
  and so it's kinda moot at this point. But the the the clerk's office has been in contact with them, the attorney representing them,
• 36:16
  and they've indicated they're going to be faxing the non suit.
• 36:19
  So I'll get confirmation
• 36:21
  of that
• 36:22
  Monday morning.
• 36:24
  And
• 36:26
  I would be glad to share more information about my responses,
• 36:29
  you know, after the show, because that's not the the focus of this show.
• 36:33
  But I'm happy to Well to share that. And yeah. Anyway Mhmm.
• 36:37
  Unknown: Oh, you know, Nancy, as bad as this inflation is getting and going to get worse,
• 36:42
  it may be a popular segment.
• 36:45
  The the dead hour at the at the radio ridge,
• 36:49
  how to get out of their
• 36:51
  their little scam. So we'll see as we go forward. Did you hear yesterday? I think it was right at the start of the program
• 36:58
  that what they're proposing is a $250
• 37:02
  bill with Trump's picture on it.
• 37:05
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've I've seen that. So That means flash
• 37:10
  Unknown: that's a flashing sign that says inflation ahead.
• 37:14
  Inflation ahead.
• 37:16
  K?
• 37:18
  Do you mark my words?
• 37:20
  You mark my words. I think it's what, like, two point something. I heard somebody talking about this. It's two point something. It's gone up to three point something, and they're projecting it'd be six
• 37:31
  pretty quick.
• 37:33
  Spirit Airlines has gone bankrupt.
• 37:37
  They had lost a $100,000,000
• 37:39
  on fuel already, and the fuel continues to diminish.
• 37:43
  California's
• 37:44
  only got a few weeks left of fuel.
• 37:48
  Diesel is going through the ceiling.
• 37:51
  They said, I just heard somebody was watching an SGT report. There's a little video at Jimmy Doran and talking to somebody, and he said,
• 37:59
  recently,
• 38:00
  I don't keep up with it, the spot price of silver was $90,
• 38:05
  and the settlement pry
• 38:08
  price of physical was 144.
• 38:12
  That's a big spread,
• 38:14
  folks.
• 38:15
  And when that catches up,
• 38:18
  we're we're so close to some real calamity.
• 38:21
  Alright?
• 38:22
  So Spirit Airlines went bankrupt.
• 38:24
  That little deal on silver.
• 38:27
  I
• 38:29
  would remind you what the American embassy sent to the Americans in Germany in the nineteen twenties
• 38:35
  at the start of the hyperinflation, said buy things.
• 38:39
  Buy things.
• 38:41
  If you,
• 38:42
  if you can find things that you know are gonna be replacement needs or something,
• 38:47
  but you might as well buy them if you can find them now rather than the price gonna be higher later
• 38:51
  because it's coming.
• 38:53
  I don't see any way it can be stopped.
• 38:57
  By next year, they're predicting
• 39:00
  predicting
• 39:01
  a lot of people are gonna be dying of famine a year from now.
• 39:06
  So it's a hell of a mess, folks. Get ready, please, if you're not already.
• 39:12
  Roger.
• 39:13
  Larry.
• 39:16
  Unknown: Yeah. Just
• 39:18
  the fact that Nancy
• 39:20
  decided to,
• 39:22
  you know,
• 39:23
  make a fight about all this with these debt collectors,
• 39:27
  that just goes to show that if you at least do that much, like file an answer or file something,
• 39:35
  that you're in much much you're in much a much better position
• 39:41
  to get the case dismissed or for them to dismiss the case voluntarily.
• 39:45
  I was listening to consumer
• 39:49
  protection attorney John Watts, w a t t s.
• 39:53
  He's out of Alabama.
• 39:55
  He's he's just a great attorney.
• 39:57
  Christian guy,
• 39:59
  and
• 40:00
  he's
• 40:02
  fought hard for, you know,
• 40:04
  people that have been involved in debt collection lawsuits.
• 40:08
  And he's got a lot of YouTube videos
• 40:12
  describing his experience
• 40:14
  and, you know, giving
• 40:16
  suggestions
• 40:17
  and and,
• 40:19
  you know, advice on how to handle cases.
• 40:22
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 40:23
  Unknown: And one of the things he pointed out, and I'll even read a statistic here off of Google.
• 40:29
  I remember listening a couple of years ago to him, and he was saying that
• 40:33
  most debt collection
• 40:35
  lawsuits
• 40:37
  and in what's known as a default judgment. So
• 40:41
  they
• 40:42
  the defendant never appears in court, and so they just get a win, kinda like Anna Von Wright's with the IRS.
• 40:50
  And, there's a statistic No.
• 40:53
  Unknown: Oh, no. No. She did not get a win with the IRS. Don't give people that impression.
• 40:58
  She wrote on the front of what they replied. She didn't show up. And they the IRS got a default judgment against her. Correct. And she wrote on the paperwork she submitted,
• 41:09
  we refused to contract, and they just steamrolled over her because that ain't any kind of a defense.
• 41:15
  And I think she lost a
• 41:18
  million a
• 41:20
  piece of land in Wisconsin worth at least 1,000,000, maybe more.
• 41:24
  And by the way, you hadn't heard anything out of her out of the good judge lately, have you?
• 41:29
  Not too much. No.
• 41:31
  Unknown: I was following her case, and there's a couple of recent filings where they're trying to collect on the judgment.
• 41:37
  Yeah.
• 41:37
  I I forget which site I found. It was a couple of days ago,
• 41:42
  but it was it was pretty much up to date. I think it would had a either a late twenty twenty five date on it or an early twenty twenty six.
• 41:51
  But, yeah, the IRS the US government is actually collecting on that judgment,
• 41:57
  and so there's all kinds of documents being filed in order to do that. But yeah. So if you don't show up in court,
• 42:05
  that's your the the debt collector will get what's known as a default judgment for your lack of appearing in court.
• 42:13
  And so here's the statistic.
• 42:15
  Third party debt collectors and debt buyers rely heavily
• 42:20
  on default judgments with studies showing
• 42:23
  that more than 70%
• 42:25
  of all consumer debt collection lawsuits nationwide
• 42:28
  and in this manner in many jurisdictions.
• 42:32
  And for some bulk filing plaintiffs,
• 42:35
  this figure exceeds 80%.
• 42:38
  Unknown: Wow. So
• 42:39
  Unknown: it's no surprise that these debt collectors didn't have anything on Nancy.
• 42:44
  They were probably hoping she wouldn't show up or file an answer,
• 42:48
  and they would just go in there and get a default judgment.
• 42:51
  Unknown: Most people are ignorant,
• 42:53
  and I'm sorry. Statistically,
• 42:55
  that's true. Most people won't fight this way above their heads. They probably got some guilt in the fact they probably owe it anyway.
• 43:02
  But, yeah, all you have to do is put up a little bit of fight and know a little bit. It appears you can defeat them pretty easily, doesn't it?
• 43:11
  Unknown: Exactly.
• 43:13
  Unknown: Right. Yep. Yeah. Hey. Yes, sir. Larry? Oh,
• 43:17
  okay. Hold on. There's Christian, Julie. I'll get you in a minute. Go ahead, Christian.
• 43:22
  Unknown: My bones are rattling a little bit. Larry told me I think he said the other day about, you know, I'm the one with the Social Security.
• 43:30
  Yeah. I know. That's all I and
• 43:34
  then he said, even if you didn't show up
• 43:36
  and they got a judgment
• 43:39
  Unknown: They can't come after it. They can't yeah.
• 43:42
  They can't enforce the judgment.
• 43:44
  They're barred from enforcing a judgment they may receive.
• 43:48
  So that's kind of a catch 22 deal. They can't win either way.
• 43:54
  Unknown: Okay.
• 43:56
  Unknown: There you go.
• 43:57
  Unknown: Yeah. Roger,
• 43:59
  they
• 43:59
  even if they got a judgment, they would they would be required under the Texas
• 44:05
  statutes
• 44:06
  to send Christian
• 44:08
  that form. I can't remember the what that form was called, but it was in Florida, it's called a claim of exemption form. So they would include that in the the letter that they would send him, and that would give him a chance. This is all part of due process.
• 44:23
  That that would give him an opportunity to write down that his Social Security is exempt from
• 44:28
  garnishment. He'll go get it notarized.
• 44:31
  He would send the them a copy, and he would file a copy in the court,
• 44:36
  and that would put an end to it.
• 44:38
  Unknown: Yep.
• 44:39
  Unless he voluntarily agrees with the debt collector to work out something like we're trying to do with that situation.
• 44:46
  Julie, did you have something you wanted to add, sweetie?
• 44:49
  I think that was Julie. Guy on YouTube.
• 44:51
  Unknown: There's a guy on YouTube that, his his channel is called Mike, the credit guy,
• 44:57
  and he really hones in on the fact that there's no contract with a debt collector
• 45:01
  in terms of getting them to drop their case.
• 45:05
  Unknown: Mike, the credit guy.
• 45:07
  My sense my spiny sense is that we're gonna be seeing more and more of this as the economy cranks up, and
• 45:14
  I I don't have any problem with sticking it to the fraudulent bankers.
• 45:19
  K?
• 45:19
  Unknown: Yeah. I don't either.
• 45:23
  Crank money out of thin air anyway.
• 45:25
  They create money out of thin air.
• 45:28
  Yeah. They're great money out of thin air. It's it's an excellent Well There's a Go on now. Excellent interview excellent interview between,
• 45:35
  Impact Theory,
• 45:37
  and and,
• 45:39
  Simon Dixon.
• 45:40
  For everybody who's interested on YouTube, just go to Impact Theory. That's, Billy Yu,
• 45:46
  and, that's his last name, b I l y e a u.
• 45:50
  And Oh, okay. And Dixon, excellent, excellent one you'd like, Roger.
• 45:55
  Unknown: Well, I'm going to I can I just sec Yeah?
• 45:59
  Go ahead, Christian.
• 46:01
  Unknown: I'm sorry, man. I I just got to stop you a minute.
• 46:06
  Ain't that ain't that what derivatives were when they they took everybody's homes in 2008?
• 46:12
  Well, that's kinda like in thin air.
• 46:15
  Unknown: Well,
• 46:16
  yeah. But first of all, the money is created out thin air by the banks, but then you look at, listen to
• 46:24
  they
• 46:25
  loan it. Okay. I take that back. They have to in order to create money, have to loan it. They have to have a loan.
• 46:31
  But that's how basically they it's a Ponzi scheme because it's a loan with interest.
• 46:36
  And even Dickson explains this all over again when he talks about the financial industrial complex
• 46:42
  in his interview with
• 46:44
  an impact theory
• 46:45
  owner.
• 46:50
  But still, I mean,
• 46:53
  not
• 46:55
  using the gold or the silver per the constitution that
• 46:58
  is supposed to be backing.
• 47:00
  They're not using
• 47:03
  legal tender. They're using, you know, the
• 47:06
  bullcrap, paper crap. Well,
• 47:08
  Unknown: they took the paper. See, here's the deal,
• 47:11
  Julie. Alchemists
• 47:13
  for, at least hundreds, maybe thousands of years have been trying to,
• 47:19
  pull off the simple trick
• 47:21
  of turning
• 47:22
  lead into gold.
• 47:25
  They haven't been able to do that yet.
• 47:28
  So they took the opposite way, and they turned gold into paper.
• 47:33
  K?
• 47:34
  So they do not make money out of thin air except in one place.
• 47:41
  K?
• 47:42
  They do you know any bankers that loan trillions of dollars without collateral, Julie?
• 47:48
  Unknown: No. Most of them do. They most of them don't, but, you know, unless you're a peer field, you can get Well, this is us. From them. Well, this is us. We're the collateral, our future through this birth certificate scam that we go over and get you out of here, supposedly.
• 48:02
  Unknown: Right. Least address it in a way they can recommend.
• 48:05
  Okay? So that's the collateral is our future labor.
• 48:09
  So that is that's the backing of it. You actually create I know you know this, but I wanna go through it for the other people that might not.
• 48:18
  You actually create
• 48:20
  the money not out of thin air, but out of contract.
• 48:24
  When you sign the financing
• 48:26
  agreement,
• 48:27
  that creates the money that was, quote, unquote, money that was not there before.
• 48:33
  K? It wasn't there. Correct. But It was opening a warehouse somewhere. I hold up. Now when you do that and this loan goes through,
• 48:42
  it's what they call in their publications
• 48:46
  monetized.
• 48:47
  So the green pieces of paper with dead presidents are now monetized,
• 48:52
  and they're circulating
• 48:53
  because you signed a promissory note that brought them into existence.
• 48:58
  Now the amount of whatever you're buying
• 49:02
  is the base price.
• 49:04
  So if it's a $100,000
• 49:05
  house,
• 49:06
  the contract's gonna read a 100 that borrows a $100,000
• 49:10
  loan payback in so many months, so much principal, so much interest comes out to about $300,000.
• 49:16
  K?
• 49:17
  But that's in the future because that's the credit that's compounding
• 49:22
  as the loan matures.
• 49:25
  So here is where they make money out of thin air.
• 49:29
  When that amount is loaned into circulation
• 49:33
  and the compound interest starts accruing,
• 49:36
  That's where they make money out of thin air. K?
• 49:40
  But not loaning the money only after the money's loaned,
• 49:44
  and it's accruing compound interest
• 49:47
  because that was never created.
• 49:49
  There's the scam.
• 49:51
  You've gotta get or they've gotta get somebody else go belly up and take out a loan with this future interest
• 49:58
  and get that circulating
• 50:01
  so you can pay your loan back, and you get to keep your collateral, and they're gonna lose theirs.
• 50:08
  Unknown: That's the game. Yeah. But Chris yeah. Christian was asking about derivatives, and I wanted to tell him that, Christian, the the big huge people like the BlackRock and those and the State Street and
• 50:21
  Vanguard, they manipulate the markets, all the markets and the prices of goods using derivatives contracts,
• 50:27
  credit
• 50:28
  default swaps, options,
• 50:32
  shorting naked
• 50:33
  short sales
• 50:34
  and using
• 50:36
  put and call options on stocks. And then now they've come up with their lovely exchange traded fund strategy too. So they take all of those contracts
• 50:47
  and that's how they manipulate
• 50:49
  all the prices of everything. That's
• 50:53
  why you see the stock market going up so much these days is that
• 50:57
  everybody's
• 50:58
  taking their capital and putting it over here into the stock market, and they're printing
• 51:03
  money
• 51:04
  or printing fiat like there's no other
• 51:07
  like nothing else, that new guy, Wash, who's coming in from to take over
• 51:13
  in the Federal Reserve is going to print us into oblivion.
• 51:16
  And who's gonna take they're gonna take all that and stick it in stock market.
• 51:21
  Unknown: Okay. They're going after your pension funds to build healthy infrastructure.
• 51:26
  I saw a clip several times with Larry Fink.
• 51:30
  By the way, Larry Fink, they had a BlackRock.
• 51:32
  How he got there, he invented derivatives.
• 51:36
  K? Yep. And so
• 51:38
  the
• 51:40
  he's going the Americans have to participate in America's growth.
• 51:44
  We're growing at 2%.
• 51:46
  We've gotta grow at 3%,
• 51:48
  and the way you're gonna participate
• 51:50
  is your pension funds are gonna be used.
• 51:53
  Stealing the pension funds right here. K?
• 51:56
  So if you've got one of these
• 51:59
  IRAs,
• 52:00
  whatever it is, some kind of savings vehicle,
• 52:05
  you better go and you look at extracting
• 52:08
  the funds.
• 52:10
  Or if you can't do that, most of them will allow. I don't know all the mechanics
• 52:15
  of YouTube to hold it into metals.
• 52:18
  So you can take a mount or part of it and go exchange it in metals.
• 52:22
  Some of them, you can hold. Some of them, they may have to hold. I'm not sure of the specifics.
• 52:29
  The guy that's on with Alex does it.
• 52:32
  The shit shit
• 52:34
  Miles Franklin does it. Noble Gold does it. All of them have these programs.
• 52:39
  If you've got a retirement account,
• 52:42
  you better do something with it quick because they're coming after it.
• 52:46
  Okay?
• 52:47
  Unknown: Roger, I Coming after. Roger, I read that I read that Larry Fink did not create derivatives. He was involved in the mortgage backed security scam, but the derivatives trace the org back to Mesopotamia
• 52:59
  around seventeen fifty BCE where written contracts for future asset delivery
• 53:05
  managed agricultural
• 53:07
  risks with the code of Hammurabi.
• 53:10
  Unknown: Uh-huh. Hammurabi.
• 53:12
  Hammurabi
• 53:13
  at BC in Babylon. That's interesting. I didn't know they went back that far. Anyway,
• 53:18
  they're what they did when this housing thing crashed in 2008,
• 53:23
  you saw the derivatives right before that. What they're doing is the way I understand it, Julie, is they're like scaffolding.
• 53:30
  They you go in and they hold up a building that's fallen down.
• 53:34
  And what they've done is they've shifted the risk to these things called derivatives,
• 53:39
  which are nothing but a bet, and they're derivative bets. So Julie and I could bet. I go, Julie,
• 53:46
  I'll bet you everything I own that the sun's gonna rise tomorrow.
• 53:50
  And she goes, no. And she bets against it. That's a derivative bet. Okay? So they can be bet on anything,
• 53:56
  and that's what's propping up this which should have gone down
• 54:01
  in in 2008,
• 54:02
  the entire financial system. It's in its very end. That's why they're trying to start these wars.
• 54:11
  Unknown: K? Thank you for making that clear.
• 54:15
  Unknown: It's a very it's complex.
• 54:17
  Christian has taken me
• 54:19
  took me years to understand it,
• 54:22
  and the final piece is what we do here. What's the collateral?
• 54:25
  Where's the credit spout?
• 54:27
  There's no money. There's only credit. Where's the credit spout?
• 54:32
  The birth certificate
• 54:34
  and taking and collateralizing
• 54:36
  your future income. Then selling it as debt attached to bonds.
• 54:41
  That's the credit spout. It all originates from there.
• 54:45
  K? Yes. Thank y'all. Thank y'all, Julie and Sherry and Nancy. The reason the stock market's going up is because the bond market's crashing,
• 54:54
  and people are starting to get you know, the savvy investors
• 54:58
  are getting out of the bond market and putting over the stock market. It's only being driven by four or five stocks.
• 55:04
  Most of them tied to this data center explosion.
• 55:10
  Get out of her, my people. Get out of her. If you can get your funds in something solid, you'll be very glad you did.
• 55:18
  Is that Samuel?
• 55:20
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 55:21
  Unknown: Hey, Samuel. One of of the big big problems with, you know, there's the the data center whole
• 55:28
  gamut,
• 55:30
  including the chips to run them and and all that, it's like
• 55:34
  a $56,000,000,000,000
• 55:35
  venture.
• 55:36
  And
• 55:38
  60%
• 55:38
  of that cost
• 55:40
  isn't in the building or the power to run it or anything else. It's in these chips and
• 55:47
  Unknown: And guess what? Memory.
• 55:48
  Unknown: And And guess what? That only has a a shelf life of three to four years
• 55:55
  when the building potentially has a twenty to thirty year life. Exactly.
• 55:59
  So it they can't build these things fast enough.
• 56:03
  If they would have been smart, they would have had a plan for a center
• 56:08
  and how to power it, how to water it, and everything already on the books.
• 56:13
  Chinese are doing smart.
• 56:16
  Unknown: Are smart.
• 56:17
  They're taking and building a food data center. And then they're tapping into all of like, if it was us,
• 56:24
  all of our personal computers for unused computing time, and that's the rest of the data centers that The US is building.
• 56:32
  By the way, Georgia,
• 56:33
  if you're in Georgia,
• 56:35
  Georgia's
• 56:36
  gonna be the center spot in The United States.
• 56:39
  Out of the 3,000
• 56:40
  proposed data centers,
• 56:42
  hopefully, there'll be less.
• 56:44
  10% of them, 300 of them are in Georgia. A 150
• 56:49
  of them are around Atlanta.
• 56:51
  And folks, Atlanta's got water supply problems.
• 56:55
  I mentioned it before. We used to have it when I was there. The you know, some of the thirty years I lived there. In fact, it was so bad at one point with the drought in Lake Lanier and stuff
• 57:06
  that they had a city it was a citywide campaign on radio,
• 57:11
  TV,
• 57:11
  everything. If it's yellow,
• 57:14
  let it mellow.
• 57:15
  If it's brown, fresh it down.
• 57:18
  That was in the public campaign in Atlanta.
• 57:21
  They've already had water problems for years. Florida, Georgia, and Alabama have been fighting over that Chattahoochee River water for decades.
• 57:31
  Unknown: They're gonna block in this country, it really gets built fast enough even if you get the EPA approvals,
• 57:38
  etcetera,
• 57:39
  to match the the life of that chip, which is three to four years in a obsolete.
• 57:44
  Unknown: Yeah. In fact, almost all those parts have to be replaced every three to four years, whatever it is. I heard Harrison talk about it. Percent of the facility cost.
• 57:55
  Unknown: Yeah. So just
• 57:57
  the water and power is bad enough, but if you look at the bubble they're creating,
• 58:01
  this is a like a $6,000,000,000,000
• 58:04
  bubble.
• 58:07
  Unknown: Pretty bad, folks.
• 58:10
  Sorry you're having to deal with it. I don't anticipate
• 58:12
  too many data centers going up in Ecuador.
• 58:15
  Morning, Rick.
• 58:18
  Unknown: Morning.
• 58:19
  There was a huge fish kill in the Chattahoochee.
• 58:23
  Really? Maybe over last weekend. Yeah. They had a flood. They had, like, three inches of rain in an hour, and it
• 58:31
  they had this huge storage pipeline
• 58:33
  for their raw sewage and stormwater combined. You know, Atlanta,
• 58:38
  they combined their sewer and stormwater.
• 58:41
  Anyway, it it dumped out in the Hooch, and there's huge fish killed down there.
• 58:45
  Unknown: I'm sure sorry to hear that.
• 58:49
  I sure am. Do you ever maybe think that the
• 58:52
  the bad guys have a some sort of a a a decent idea with this Malthusian approach or too many of us?
• 58:59
  Have ever considered that?
• 59:05
  Unknown: I think it's obvious that it's that's its purpose,
• 59:08
  all this stuff.
• 59:11
  Unknown: Wouldn't we Man. As well as the planet would be just fine
• 59:15
  if they would just quit messing with stuff.
• 59:21
  Unknown: You know what? Roger Atlanta had,
• 59:24
  the EPA has been on them for
• 59:26
  twenty five or thirty years, and they said it was cheaper to pay the fine and to fix the system.
• 59:32
  Unknown: Right.
• 59:34
  Right.
• 59:35
  That's a big problem. You know? Otherwise, when I was up there, there were studies that were done, couple of this through. I remember one
• 59:43
  was that Atlanta's got the capability to be the biggest city in the It can grow 250
• 59:48
  miles in any and every direction,
• 59:52
  but the water is the stopper.
• 59:54
  Now
• 59:55
  the other one was really interesting, Rick.
• 59:58
  There was a company that did a survey of all the world's major cities
• 1:00:02
  on how many miles people drive per day,
• 1:00:07
  and Atlanta was number one. You know how many miles people drove they estimated? This is decades ago.
• 1:00:14
  400,000,000
• 1:00:15
  miles a day of traffic just in Atlanta?
• 1:00:22
  So I don't know. I've had my memory. I hope my memory is not faulty. I thought it I thought it wasn't, but,
• 1:00:28
  they've been been a 100,000,000 miles. That's still a lot.
• 1:00:32
  But Atlanta's an interesting city. I'm damn glad to be out of there, actually. I had some good years with Atlanta. It was good to me
• 1:00:39
  for a while,
• 1:00:41
  but just got to be too damn big.
• 1:00:44
  So, anyway, glad to be out of there. Happy to be in Ecuador. Yes, sir?
• 1:00:50
  Unknown: So that glad I'm out too. I lived in Douglas County just across the hooch. And Yes. It was horrible.
• 1:00:57
  It was horrible driving right and it cannot be fixed.
• 1:01:00
  The DOT,
• 1:01:01
  it was planned so horribly. It cannot be fixed.
• 1:01:06
  Unknown: Nope.
• 1:01:07
  Nope. So Vamoose and
• 1:01:11
  Suerte,
• 1:01:11
  good luck up there fighting that.
• 1:01:14
  I mean, I'd have to drive two hours almost a day just to commute to work down at Pitney Bowes.
• 1:01:22
  So, right down there by Georgia Tech. You know?
• 1:01:25
  Unknown: It took me, two and a half hours to get home one time from a job site.
• 1:01:30
  Unknown: I had that too? Two hours?
• 1:01:33
  Went to work. Well, you they were repaving
• 1:01:36
  85.
• 1:01:38
  No. 75
• 1:01:40
  up there by the Castle Gate Hotel up to two eighty five,
• 1:01:43
  and then they were doing the most of the work overnight.
• 1:01:47
  But one of the trucks that had asphalt,
• 1:01:50
  they were going to dump broke down.
• 1:01:53
  And the backup truck, they came and loaded it with that asphalt, and it broke down.
• 1:01:59
  And it took me two hours to get from Marietta down to where Pitney Bozeman was right by Georgia Tech.
• 1:02:05
  So They were. Anyway, yep. Glad I'm out of there, Ray. Brent, there's another veteran. Hey, buddy. How's the traffic in Vegas?
• 1:02:14
  Unknown: It's been okay since Memorial Day.
• 1:02:17
  That's one of the busy days as well as fourth of July, Labor Day,
• 1:02:23
  and Thanksgiving's
• 1:02:24
  getting up there too.
• 1:02:26
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:02:29
  Those are the busy days. Or when they have, you know, football
• 1:02:34
  or a hockey game, you know, it gets better. Yeah.
• 1:02:37
  Unknown: Yeah. And you got the hockey. You're going into the throws of
• 1:02:42
  the semifinals
• 1:02:43
  now. I don't know if they which one of them won yet.
• 1:02:46
  Unknown: I don't know neither.
• 1:02:48
  Also, they're building a baseball stadium
• 1:02:51
  where the Tropicana was.
• 1:02:54
  Unknown: Oh my lord. You're gonna have a baseball team there.
• 1:02:59
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:03:00
  Unknown: I'll be darned.
• 1:03:01
  Unknown: What what I wanted to ask was when you were at Bittany Blows,
• 1:03:05
  did you ever work with a machine called the Insertamax?
• 1:03:11
  Unknown: Oh, I'm sure I sold it. I don't know how many of you did if somebody that was doing a production line in certain, you know, stuff in the envelopes. I think I did, but not much, Brent.
• 1:03:23
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 1:03:24
  Yeah. I worked on or worked on with one at, Wang Labs.
• 1:03:30
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 1:03:32
  Well, Penny Bo's is a good company. They got real good equipment generally, and it's a good fine company. It's good to its employees. It's an interesting story. Do you know the story behind them?
• 1:03:44
  Unknown: No.
• 1:03:45
  Unknown: Guy up in Chicago
• 1:03:48
  that worked on on inventing the postage machine, the little meter you get, they where you can print your own postage.
• 1:03:54
  We're talking about, for those who don't know, you find see letters embossed. Well, instead of a stamp, it's got this indacia of a red eagle or whatever color they want it to be, and then they print the amount of the postage in there. Well, you have that in your office. It's called a postage meter. And that's what they built their business on.
• 1:04:12
  And he tried and tried and tried to get it instituted in the post office,
• 1:04:18
  and he he was always unsuccessful.
• 1:04:21
  And so in Chicago,
• 1:04:23
  evidently, with the with the vicious winters,
• 1:04:27
  they've got tunnels underneath the city.
• 1:04:30
  And somebody
• 1:04:31
  tunneled into the federal post office in Chicago
• 1:04:35
  from underneath and stole a million dollars worth of stamps.
• 1:04:39
  And so that gave them the impetus to look at this machine,
• 1:04:44
  and he got hooked up, and I don't know which one was it, Pitney or blows Bose, excuse me,
• 1:04:50
  with somebody that had connections in Washington.
• 1:04:54
  And so that's how they finally got the postage meter instituted in the post office. But what really drove it was a theft of a million dollars worth of stamps.
• 1:05:04
  Interesting.
• 1:05:05
  You're a fine company. Atlanta's the worst branch in the country,
• 1:05:10
  and,
• 1:05:11
  I did very well there. K?
• 1:05:14
  Now, Brent, this is the reason I did very well there.
• 1:05:18
  We got time. Nobody else has got any big questions.
• 1:05:22
  Pitney Bowes went through their whole structure nationwide
• 1:05:25
  to try and make it more effective at reaching new customers and in the same time,
• 1:05:32
  make it more effective going back to existing
• 1:05:35
  customers and upgrading their old equipment if possible.
• 1:05:39
  So they went back through and did a structural change on the salesman
• 1:05:44
  where the older salesman
• 1:05:46
  exclusively
• 1:05:47
  sold to
• 1:05:49
  established customers,
• 1:05:51
  and the medium salesman
• 1:05:54
  sold to
• 1:05:55
  about medium businesses and smaller.
• 1:05:58
  And all the cold calling
• 1:06:00
  was for new people, and they hired a bunch of new people, and I was one of them.
• 1:06:05
  And so we could go out and cold call on businesses. And these guys,
• 1:06:09
  because they in the past, they just sit around, wait for, you know, go and cold call on meters and stuff and not go and service these older, bigger customers.
• 1:06:18
  And so all of a sudden, I'm this new kid, and I can go call on new businesses or anybody.
• 1:06:24
  They can't.
• 1:06:26
  But if a call comes in from one of those customers to the branch,
• 1:06:30
  they'll assign that to them because they're experienced.
• 1:06:34
  So my buddy, I was mentioning the other day, Derby, old friend, is trying to get me on x. That's something else I want us to talk about if we got time.
• 1:06:44
  So Derby contacts me. We were in the video business.
• 1:06:48
  I'd worked with him. We're we're
• 1:06:50
  okay. And for years, you know, good guy.
• 1:06:53
  And so
• 1:06:54
  he,
• 1:06:55
  he calls me one day, and I'm new at this Pitney Bowes stuff, and he goes,
• 1:07:00
  JVC
• 1:07:02
  is moving a whole shipping depot
• 1:07:05
  into Atlanta.
• 1:07:07
  Okay. Great. So they're gonna be in Norcross.
• 1:07:10
  And so with the way they assigned territory to us was through ZIP codes.
• 1:07:15
  And so I'll I can remember this ZIP code, 70030071.
• 1:07:20
  And so I go to find out, and the JVC
• 1:07:25
  center is in my ZIP code,
• 1:07:27
  which means it's fair game for me, not the older guys, and I know they're coming to town.
• 1:07:34
  So I told my boss, and we called, we called JVC,
• 1:07:37
  and the guy was responsible for this because I was just getting ready to call Pitney Bowes.
• 1:07:43
  If we wouldn't have got to him in time, it would have gone to one of the other salesman. But because I hustled this up. He set up an appointment. We did a whole big
• 1:07:51
  JVC
• 1:07:52
  shipping,
• 1:07:53
  mailing,
• 1:07:54
  desks,
• 1:07:55
  furniture,
• 1:07:57
  the whole nine yards. Okay?
• 1:08:00
  A bunch of money, and my quote as a new guy was real low. Alright?
• 1:08:04
  And so,
• 1:08:06
  anyway, when he got it installed,
• 1:08:08
  he came back down, and he liked it so much that he redid
• 1:08:13
  every JVC
• 1:08:14
  shipping terminal in the country.
• 1:08:17
  And I got a percentage of that.
• 1:08:19
  So, I had a good year that year. Got to win their highest prize and go to Palm Springs for a week, all expenses paid, and all that kind of stuff. But that's my Pitney Bowes story, Brent. I don't think I've ever told that on the air before.
• 1:08:35
  All of them, my buddy, Jeremy, goes at JVC's
• 1:08:38
  coming to town, and, man, my my life changed.
• 1:08:42
  Yes, sir.
• 1:08:45
  Hey, Roger. Wayne from Texas calling. Hey, Wayne. How are doing, brother?
• 1:08:51
  Pretty good, sir. You're good. How many data centers you got out there, brother?
• 1:08:57
  Unknown: Hey, man. We're fighting off the Muslims in their mosque and everything, man. Those
• 1:09:01
  are the ones that multiply.
• 1:09:03
  Unknown: I I forgot you had priorities out there, Wade.
• 1:09:09
  Unknown: And now the Indians are coming over their Hindu temples, so that's another big battle starting. So, I mean Yeah. It's serious. And Muslims and Indians.
• 1:09:18
  Unknown: It's serious, man. There's your governor. I remember a couple years ago when he went over there to, India to visit with Modi. You're seeing the repercussions of that visit right now.
• 1:09:30
  Unknown: I think so. And I think his biggest donor is, a guy from a Muslim from Pakistan,
• 1:09:36
  I think. He's either Hindu or Muslim, but that's Abbott's
• 1:09:40
  biggest donor. So we'll see how that plays out. But, yeah, it's it's definitely a problem out here.
• 1:09:47
  Reason I was calling in, Roger, was earlier you're talking pension funds, and I was wondering if you saw that interview Harrison did yesterday
• 1:09:55
  with that girl. Her name is Tiffany Sianci.
• 1:09:58
  Unknown: No. She's the she's the bubbling fairy of doom.
• 1:10:04
  That that's what he nicknamed her early on. It stuck with her too. I did see it. I like Tiffany Sianci.
• 1:10:11
  She's about a little bundle of energy, that girl.
• 1:10:15
  And just,
• 1:10:16
  attack, attack, attack. I love her. K? And, yes, I did see it, and that's why I said, get you if you've got any kind of a pension fund out there and you haven't done anything with it, shame on you.
• 1:10:28
  There's one precaution you can do. You'd have to go back and listen to that interview on the specifics.
• 1:10:34
  But in some of these funds, you can write them and say, I don't want any of my funds involved with this, and they'll adhere to that supposedly.
• 1:10:42
  Right, Wayne? Supposedly.
• 1:10:44
  Unknown: Yeah. Didn't catch the whole interview, but that was a gist that a lot of these pension funds will be investing in the mutual funds
• 1:10:51
  that, will, be funding some of the data centers, AI, and all the other crap that's being built all over the country. So if that gets back them south, there goes
• 1:11:02
  Unknown: Well, guess what backs them?
• 1:11:04
  They go in and put damn worthless treasury bonds in there.
• 1:11:11
  Anytime there's a pile of funds,
• 1:11:13
  they go and swap it with treasury bills
• 1:11:18
  because then you owe your money to yourself, don't you?
• 1:11:22
  I mean, it's an absolute terrible scheme. It's a terrible scheme.
• 1:11:27
  So if you're in that situation and you haven't moved on that yep. If you haven't moved on that yet, you're in that situation, I urge you to do something about it and think about it. Now do what was that last comment, Wayne?
• 1:11:40
  Unknown: Well, I just wanted to say also that along these lines, I, heard another great interview with Bill Holter a couple days ago, and, some of them rehashed, but I think for some of your newer listeners and, people that signed on, I'll post this interview, but I would sure recommend that people,
• 1:11:57
  listen to it because he does bring up what's called the bank bail in situation,
• 1:12:02
  where when you deposit money to a bank, you become an unsecured creditor. So if that bank goes south and there's not enough funds to cover, they're gonna come after your money. And it's a we've seen a couple cases like that. Think one in Oklahoma and possibly one in California, but that's what's, you know, that's what's on the edge of
• 1:12:19
  Unknown: There was one in one of the Mediterranean islands for Crete.
• 1:12:23
  Few years ago, Crete's a big island. A lot of Cyprus, the Russians use.
• 1:12:28
  Here's what he's talking about. I always envisioned this as a teeter totter
• 1:12:33
  in the school play yard.
• 1:12:36
  You know, one end's always down and one end's always up.
• 1:12:39
  That's kind of a derivative. And what they've done is they brought these things in. They've tied them into your financial institution.
• 1:12:46
  And when the bank goes belly up, just like Wayne said, you're an unsecured creditor.
• 1:12:51
  They're the ones that have got first access to any financial funds. So let's consider that to be the teeter totter with the end at the ground. Well, what happens is that thing reverses. It fills up the bucket there on the ground with all your funds and everybody else's,
• 1:13:07
  and then the other end gets put down. It goes up in the air, and all your funds slide down into the derivatives pockets.
• 1:13:14
  That's what's coming. You get all of it. You're not totally out in the cold.
• 1:13:19
  You get shares in a worthless
• 1:13:22
  bankrupt financial institution.
• 1:13:24
  They get the fund. It's just like
• 1:13:27
  congressman Louis C. McFadden said a hundred years ago. The Jews have all the gold, and the Gentiles have all the paper. Nothing's changed.
• 1:13:38
  Unknown: That is absolutely right, Roger. And and I would also caution,
• 1:13:43
  don't don't expect the FDIC
• 1:13:45
  to come to the rescue. Last I heard, the FDIC could probably cover less than a nickel for every dollar they're they have coverage on because their funds have have gotten very, very low. So they won't come to the rescue either.
• 1:13:59
  Yeah. One other quick thing. Yeah. Holter
• 1:14:03
  was also talking bringing up again the great taking.
• 1:14:06
  So once again, if you think you're not safe in a bank and you put money in, say, a four zero one k or,
• 1:14:12
  mutual funds, whatever, and it's held by a fiduciary,
• 1:14:16
  like a brokerage outfit, all of a sudden, you become only a beneficial owner. You are no longer the legal owner,
• 1:14:24
  and that's why
• 1:14:25
  if a one of these big securities companies goes belly up and and the feds don't bail them out, then your money's gonna be used to keep them afloat or,
• 1:14:34
  you know, they'll cash out and do where they can with the money. So there's a lot of real murky circumstances here in the background.
• 1:14:40
  And, again, we're gonna wake up one day and maybe over a a long weekend, and all hell's gonna break loose. And then people will instead of being, you know, six months early,
• 1:14:50
  you know, if they're one minute too late, they're gonna be in big trouble, you know, with with their finances.
• 1:14:56
  Unknown: Well, of course, they're going to try and avoid that at all costs and just keep it going in some sort of a rolling casino.
• 1:15:03
  But there are things such as black swans and these unexpected events that they just never even because they don't think evidently that far in advance or even their their their their damn AI doesn't,
• 1:15:14
  but they seem to constantly get over their skis and stumble over themselves.
• 1:15:19
  That's what I'm predicting is gonna happen with the data center thing.
• 1:15:22
  And there's gonna then there's gotta have all these partial constructions,
• 1:15:26
  and the things aren't gonna be profitable, so nobody's gonna be building them. Then you're stuck with all that crap.
• 1:15:34
  These are money monsters, and they wanna just they're all fighting with each other to get that big bite. That big bite. What big bite? Like I told you earlier. Hope you heard that, Wayne.
• 1:15:46
  Southern Bell
• 1:15:47
  sold the cell phone backbone system to Argentina and movie star for $1,000,000,000,
• 1:15:55
  and they had
• 1:15:56
  10,000,000 in it.
• 1:16:00
  Unknown: Oh, wow. Wow.
• 1:16:02
  Unknown: And that's why your cell phone bills are so high.
• 1:16:06
  Unknown: Yeah. And one of the quick thing, Roger, I'll get off is,
• 1:16:09
  also caught a part of the interview with Peter Schiff. He was talking to, an interviewer,
• 1:16:14
  and he brought up something that I think would be very interesting to you and other people's that
• 1:16:19
  he really believes that the reason central banks and, others are collecting all this gold and holding it is is because the future monetary system in many places
• 1:16:28
  could be,
• 1:16:30
  will be tokenized
• 1:16:31
  gold,
• 1:16:32
  that they're gonna use gold as the backbone.
• 1:16:35
  Unknown: Already doing it in in the Brix, aren't they?
• 1:16:39
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. Gold, I think, is being used as, their when they when they settle their their deals. When they when they settle it out.
• 1:16:47
  Unknown: And BRICS is coming, and that's the reason Russia and China don't want Iran to fall because they're in BRICS.
• 1:16:55
  There there's your triangle right there. Russia, China, Iran. Boom.
• 1:17:00
  K?
• 1:17:02
  So, yeah, all the time, Trump has really, he has he has, at the behest of these bastards,
• 1:17:08
  stepped into a gigantic
• 1:17:10
  pile of cock cock.
• 1:17:12
  K?
• 1:17:13
  And he can't get out
• 1:17:16
  because he keeps getting every time he gets a deal, he's gotta go to Yatnau,
• 1:17:21
  and they're gonna nix it every time on a poison pill of some sort. Julie, was that you?
• 1:17:28
  Unknown: Yeah. I wanted to make a
• 1:17:31
  Unknown: First of all Well,
• 1:17:34
  Unknown: these guys will predict these bank bail and will not happen.
• 1:17:38
  With the Genius Act and the Clarity Act, they're going to flip the switch. They've already have it done. And all of these bank accounts are going to instantly
• 1:17:47
  switch over to digital stablecoins backed by treasuries and backed by Federal Reserve notes per
• 1:17:52
  the Genius Act.
• 1:17:54
  And if you do bank bail ins, with all the capital moving here to The United States and Singapore, you're going to see civil war on the streets like you've never seen before because some 90%
• 1:18:06
  of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.
• 1:18:09
  And keep in mind, these people like Bill Holter and Andy Shechman
• 1:18:14
  are out there for fear porn purposes because they themselves wanna make money selling the metals.
• 1:18:19
  Unknown: I yield. Oh, I don't I don't think Shechman needs any more money. I don't think those people are motivated like that at all.
• 1:18:27
  Unknown: Julie? I would contest that, Roger. I would sure contest that because I've listened to Shekman Holter for years. Everything they were predicting about five, six, seven years ago has now come true with the way things are happening with the monetary system and everything else. Yeah. Those guys wanna sell their precious metals, but they're educators as well as salesmen. So and they educate a whole lot more than they sell.
• 1:18:47
  Unknown: They sure do. I just totally disagree with that, Julie. There's some good guys in that field, and those three that we named right there are some of them. K? Too bad Bob Chapman. You weren't around when Bob Chapman was live, were you Julie?
• 1:19:03
  Julie?
• 1:19:05
  Unknown: Sorry. I muted myself. No. I was not. Yes.
• 1:19:08
  Unknown: Bob Chapman, you know anything about him?
• 1:19:11
  Unknown: Nope.
• 1:19:13
  Unknown: He died of,
• 1:19:15
  I think, pancreatic cancer down in Mexico somewhere.
• 1:19:18
  He had for twenty seven years, he had the biggest gold and silver brokerage house on Wall Street.
• 1:19:24
  He lived four or five places all over the world.
• 1:19:27
  I talked to him before I moved to Argentina,
• 1:19:30
  Used to do a show every week on RBN on Mondays.
• 1:19:33
  Very, very popular guest host. And, man, he he he he knew. He knew what was going on. Unfortunately,
• 1:19:40
  this is a caveat for people. He had all his wealth
• 1:19:44
  in coins, and when he died, somebody stole it. His family didn't get it. So be careful on all that kind of stuff because they are that is I know two people that that's happened to in their families, and then I got a a bunch of medals stolen, unfortunately.
• 1:20:00
  So be careful. That's a big, a big caveat on doing medals. K?
• 1:20:05
  But I I think Holter and those guys, but god knows, man. The Schechman has sold over, I don't know, how many billions of dollars worth of medals. He ain't interested in the money anymore. He wants to help people, I think, Julie. But we have differences on this. You seem to impute these things on a lot of people that are very negative, and I think they're that's not always correct. Yes, Larry?
• 1:20:30
  Unknown: Yeah. And you? I wanna give some
• 1:20:33
  yeah. It was me. I wanna give Christian and anyone living in Texas some debt collection comfort.
• 1:20:39
  So I'm looking at the
• 1:20:42
  the Texas
• 1:20:43
  protected property claims form,
• 1:20:46
  and it's just amazing. Texas has some of the most generous consumer protection laws in the nation.
• 1:20:52
  And on this form,
• 1:20:54
  I mean, they've got, like, 20 or 30
• 1:20:57
  items
• 1:20:58
  that are exempt
• 1:21:00
  under
• 1:21:01
  the Texas statutes.
• 1:21:03
  And the second one is the Social Security
• 1:21:07
  Administration
• 1:21:08
  benefits.
• 1:21:09
  The first one is current wages for personal services.
• 1:21:14
  They got everything in here. FEMA disaster benefits, child support, unemployment benefits,
• 1:21:20
  pension and retirement benefits,
• 1:21:24
  proceeds from the sale of a homestead within six months.
• 1:21:29
  Get this. Clothes,
• 1:21:30
  jewelry,
• 1:21:32
  firearms
• 1:21:33
  Unknown: because this is this the form that they if this debt collector got a judgment, this is the form they'd include in notice from the court to Christian. Is that correct?
• 1:21:44
  Unknown: Okay. They they would be required under statute to include this form,
• 1:21:49
  in the correspondence that the court or the debt collector sends Christian or anyone living in Texas
• 1:21:55
  that gets a judgment.
• 1:21:57
  And, they even got on here a bible
• 1:22:00
  that you can claim your your bible as exempt. And then that that made me curious,
• 1:22:06
  like, why would someone wanna why would a debt collector
• 1:22:09
  want to take a bible?
• 1:22:12
  And so
• 1:22:14
  Unknown: think just read you this. To burn so they could burn it?
• 1:22:19
  Unknown: Well, it's interesting how what these debt collectors will do. They're they're playing on people's emotions,
• 1:22:25
  really.
• 1:22:27
  So under Texas property code section 42
• 1:22:32
  dot zero zero two,
• 1:22:34
  an individual can protect up to $50,000
• 1:22:37
  worth of personal property
• 1:22:39
  or a $100,000
• 1:22:40
  for a family from debt collectors.
• 1:22:43
  The specific items
• 1:22:45
  that are explicitly
• 1:22:48
  carved out by Texas lawmakers are Bibles
• 1:22:51
  or other sacred religious
• 1:22:54
  texts.
• 1:22:55
  Those are completely exempt and do not count toward the 50,000 slash $100,000
• 1:23:00
  limit.
• 1:23:01
  Firearms, you can exempt up to two firearms.
• 1:23:04
  Jewelry,
• 1:23:05
  you can exempt up to 25% of the total aggregate limit.
• 1:23:09
  Other items like home furnishings,
• 1:23:12
  family heirlooms,
• 1:23:13
  food, clothing, farming vehicles,
• 1:23:15
  and tools used for a trade or profession are also protected.
• 1:23:20
  And so
• 1:23:21
  why would a debt collector wanna take someone's bible?
• 1:23:25
  Historically,
• 1:23:26
  aggressive
• 1:23:27
  collectors would seize anything of personal or sentimental value
• 1:23:32
  not because the item was worth money,
• 1:23:35
  but as a high pressure psychological
• 1:23:37
  tactic. Yep. By threatening to take a family's bible
• 1:23:41
  what's that?
• 1:23:43
  Unknown: To use on you. It's leverage on you because it's emotional leverage. Exactly.
• 1:23:49
  Unknown: By threatening to take a family's bible, wedding rings, clothes, or family portraits,
• 1:23:55
  collectors knew they could emotionally devastate a debtor.
• 1:23:58
  This cruelty often forced desperate people to borrow money from family members or hand over their last bit of cash just to save their irreplaceable
• 1:24:07
  personal belongings.
• 1:24:09
  To put an end to these predatory tactics,
• 1:24:12
  the Texas legislature
• 1:24:14
  explicitly wrote these specific items
• 1:24:17
  into the law.
• 1:24:18
  So that's that's the the benefit of that protected property claim form. And like I said the other day,
• 1:24:25
  virtually every state of the union has their form of this kind of form, so don't overlook it. Mhmm. If you're and if you get a judgment against you, there could be something that's exempt.
• 1:24:36
  Unknown: I think when they were having Yeah. What about the hearings on all this
• 1:24:41
  years ago, decades ago up there in DC?
• 1:24:44
  And they brought some mafia guys, and one of them, Larry,
• 1:24:48
  had a had a company called the Piranha Loan Company.
• 1:24:53
  This is congressional testimony.
• 1:24:56
  And if you were late, he had a a fish tank with piranhas in it, and he'd go grab your hand and stick it in the fish tank.
• 1:25:06
  True story right out of congress. Haram forms for citizens?
• 1:25:15
  Unknown: Don't know. I even anyone could take advantage of it.
• 1:25:19
  I know I have.
• 1:25:21
  Unknown: Hi, Larry.
• 1:25:24
  Yeah. What was that what was that homestead
• 1:25:27
  exemption thing?
• 1:25:31
  Unknown: Let
• 1:25:32
  Unknown: me see. And protection of your homestead. Protection.
• 1:25:36
  So
• 1:25:40
  Unknown: let's see. Hold on.
• 1:25:43
  Unknown: I don't think it would apply to you, Christian, because you're gonna be exempt from the whole thing because of the Social Security barrier.
• 1:25:51
  Unknown: Says proceeds
• 1:25:52
  this is right off the form. Proceeds from the sale of a homestead
• 1:25:56
  within six months after the sale.
• 1:26:00
  What's interesting, Roger, is on this form,
• 1:26:03
  everything is in English and and, of course, and right after it, it has the Spanish
• 1:26:09
  the same statement in Spanish.
• 1:26:11
  Really?
• 1:26:13
  Yeah.
• 1:26:14
  Unknown: Everything. Country, you know, a country with two languages has never survived.
• 1:26:20
  Unknown: Yeah. That should just all be in English.
• 1:26:25
  Unknown: Boy, that's another tower in the Babel thing.
• 1:26:31
  Unknown: It's all Hey. Thank you, Larry. It's all Thank you, It's all that. Thank you, Roger. It's all that. Yes, sir. It's all that, Christian. The power of it. Okay.
• 1:26:41
  Well, thank you, Larry. You got anything else to add? Who else? Somebody wants to say something. Who's that?
• 1:26:47
  Unknown: Yeah. Roger, Huway is is saying that,
• 1:26:51
  through modular
• 1:26:52
  build,
• 1:26:54
  they can they can have one of these
• 1:26:57
  large,
• 1:26:58
  language centers,
• 1:27:00
  which is a 120
• 1:27:02
  1,024
• 1:27:04
  nodes
• 1:27:06
  assembled in fifteen days.
• 1:27:08
  That takes years here for us to get online. Yikes.
• 1:27:12
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:27:13
  Yeah.
• 1:27:15
  The push is on for these things big time.
• 1:27:18
  It's a it's like it's like a gold rush out there where you are.
• 1:27:23
  It's like a big gold rush at Sutter's Mills,
• 1:27:26
  Samuel.
• 1:27:27
  All the billionaires I
• 1:27:30
  think it's falling all over themselves. I
• 1:27:33
  Unknown: think it's just a it's just gonna turn into a big bust,
• 1:27:37
  because we just can't we just don't have the ability to innovate. It's like the Chinese are are running power
• 1:27:44
  out to places that they think will need it, not when they need it. If
• 1:27:49
  Unknown: they're gonna be Watch
• 1:27:51
  the second hour of, well, Alex, normally, Harrison's been sitting in this week on those first two or maybe three hours.
• 1:28:00
  The second hours with Tiffany's
• 1:28:02
  fiance,
• 1:28:04
  the bubbly flower of flower
• 1:28:07
  of doom or whatever it is. Harrison is nicknamed or moniker. Hers accurate.
• 1:28:13
  And she'll give you she's very good on these details.
• 1:28:16
  And if you wanna find out,
• 1:28:19
  go just listen that hour with Tiffany's fiancee. It's yesterday's second hour.
• 1:28:24
  You'll get the whole story, and it ain't pretty.
• 1:28:28
  And she really has a good command of all this financial stuff and what they're doing with all of these derivatives. And, of course, she got into this
• 1:28:37
  with private equity,
• 1:28:38
  And private equity is involved in at the background of all this stuff.
• 1:28:43
  K? So go educate yourself to some extent if you can, if you want to,
• 1:28:48
  and, that's the place to go. That's where I'd start on the discussions we've had today, not only on data centers,
• 1:28:55
  but on all this stuff,
• 1:28:58
  the pension funds, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
• 1:29:01
  Second hour of
• 1:29:02
  yesterday's show, the twenty ninth.
• 1:29:07
  Unknown: I think the other big difference between
• 1:29:09
  what China's doing and what we're doing is,
• 1:29:12
  we're basically building a tower of Babel,
• 1:29:15
  and, they're building a tool.
• 1:29:19
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, they're just approaching it a hell of a lot smarter. They don't have all this catastrophe
• 1:29:24
  going on. They're relying on the population
• 1:29:27
  and including the population and the results. I think it's brilliant. No wonder we're getting our asses beat. It's the greedy ass Jews that are trying to get in and get all of this advanced profit so they can take something and have 10,000,000 in it and sell it for a billion dollars in the future because pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.
• 1:29:50
  Unknown: Hey, Roger.
• 1:29:51
  Unknown: That's why,
• 1:29:53
  Christian.
• 1:29:55
  Unknown: Oh, that's another big thing in China. If you get caught with your hand in the till, your hand's gone.
• 1:30:02
  Unknown: You know, that's one area of Sharia law I agree with. We'd have a bunch of Jews running around with no hands.
• 1:30:09
  Either either arm.
• 1:30:15
  Hey, Roger. Christian, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Who's that? You wanna say something?
• 1:30:20
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:30:22
  I wanna thank you. You know, in this call here,
• 1:30:26
  we have so many powerful so
• 1:30:30
  much powerful information from you.
• 1:30:32
  Your your your you God has given you this to give up to us,
• 1:30:37
  and I mean, give to us.
• 1:30:40
  And
• 1:30:41
  and
• 1:30:43
  and Julie
• 1:30:45
  and Larry
• 1:30:46
  and and Danny Murphy and all your callers.
• 1:30:51
  If we humble ourself and pray
• 1:30:54
  that
• 1:30:55
  and turn and the people will turn away from their wicked ways,
• 1:30:59
  that he will restore our land if if we pray. That's our biggest,
• 1:31:04
  most powerful thing we can do at night and in the early in the morning or early in the night.
• 1:31:10
  But to protect you, Paul
• 1:31:13
  Paul has given me something. I'm still waiting on their answer.
• 1:31:17
  And
• 1:31:19
  they tried to steal money out of my account already, but I finally got it changed over.
• 1:31:24
  They they they every time they hit it, it wouldn't let the it wouldn't let that account close. So I'm still I got that done. That's that's perfected.
• 1:31:34
  But, anyway,
• 1:31:36
  that's what, Donald Trump they they tried to kill him when he he he read that scripture,
• 1:31:42
  and that's what we need to do. We need to know our most powerful thing is the thing that gave you the wisdom on our on our getting free.
• 1:31:52
  And and Paul
• 1:31:53
  and and Larry
• 1:31:55
  and Julie
• 1:31:56
  and Nancy,
• 1:31:57
  all of y'all in the name of Jesus, I love y'all. Wanna be praying for y'all every night.
• 1:32:03
  Unknown: Thank you, Christian.
• 1:32:05
  Yeah. We're a big happy family. That is certainly an answer to this. I'm not sure if it is straightenable. I've thought for
• 1:32:12
  many several decades at least that there is no political solution to this problem, and I think you're seeing that
• 1:32:20
  prognostication
• 1:32:21
  unfold in front of our, unfortunately,
• 1:32:24
  in front of our eyes.
• 1:32:26
  But I do know that the bible says come out of her, and I do know that after all these years of being very in-depth in this,
• 1:32:34
  that my conclusion is that we're the remnant.
• 1:32:38
  And I think that I think the reason I'm at 8,000 feet is because Jesus said go the mountains.
• 1:32:44
  Okay?
• 1:32:45
  And There you go.
• 1:32:47
  Yeah.
• 1:32:48
  And, boy, I'm I just I I encourage those of you that may have the ability.
• 1:32:54
  If you've thought about getting out of the country, it might be a time to put a little more thought to that.
• 1:33:00
  K? Because it does not look pretty up ahead at all.
• 1:33:06
  I don't see one one light at the end of any tunnel.
• 1:33:09
  So take that accordingly.
• 1:33:13
  Take that accordingly.
• 1:33:14
  If if you can, you ought to consider it.
• 1:33:17
  It's just life's just different, folks. You don't have to live in that pressure cooker. Okay?
• 1:33:22
  If unless you're locked in. If you're locked in, there's not much you can do about it, but weather the storm. There is a storm. You know, it's interesting.
• 1:33:31
  It's interesting, Christian. The word in Spanish for storm.
• 1:33:37
  You you you you don't probably don't know too much Spanish there, I imagine. Is tormenta?
• 1:33:42
  Tormenta.
• 1:33:45
  Tormenta.
• 1:33:47
  Isn't isn't that accurate?
• 1:33:48
  Tormenta.
• 1:33:49
  Unknown: That is.
• 1:33:51
  It is.
• 1:33:53
  Unknown: K.
• 1:33:54
  Spanish is an interesting language.
• 1:33:57
  Unknown: Yes. I spent four years in Monterey,
• 1:34:00
  with my son. Oh,
• 1:34:01
  I see. Yeah. But but I'll I've gotten real real weak at it, and I never could roll my tongue like you could.
• 1:34:11
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:34:13
  Yes. You got to be able to trill your tongue.
• 1:34:16
  I got a good story on that too from Buenos Aires, but I'll hold that at the moment. I want us to think about
• 1:34:24
  my computer buddy, the one that told me about that JVC
• 1:34:29
  center,
• 1:34:30
  has has been gently nudging me
• 1:34:34
  to get our message on x.
• 1:34:39
  And in trying to inspire me with how much success he thinks we'll have over there.
• 1:34:47
  I'm not a social media kind of person,
• 1:34:51
  but I understand we're in a situation
• 1:34:54
  where
• 1:34:55
  I mentioned it yesterday. Did any of you go back and watch the Tucker Carlson interview with that British doctor?
• 1:35:03
  Any of you gone back and watched that yet since we talked about it yesterday?
• 1:35:09
  Shame on you. If you get a chance over the weekend, stick that one on a high priority
• 1:35:15
  of your queue list.
• 1:35:16
  Reason being,
• 1:35:18
  Tucker Carlson even normally has a mammoth audience.
• 1:35:23
  K. Well, god, we could only wish, you know, has a mammoth audience.
• 1:35:29
  With this and that situation and everything that leads up to it, all these elements,
• 1:35:33
  putting pressure on it, you know, I think it's gonna get a lot more views than that.
• 1:35:40
  It is
• 1:35:41
  it can't help
• 1:35:43
  but further expose
• 1:35:45
  deeply our enemies.
• 1:35:48
  And, so I just encourage you to watch it, and that's why I think, is it time
• 1:35:54
  with that kind of thing and that situation building
• 1:35:59
  the way it is?
• 1:36:01
  Is it time
• 1:36:02
  to move over and get exposure
• 1:36:05
  on x?
• 1:36:06
  And I'd like your feeling on it. Reason is because I don't want to maintain the damn thing, and and I don't wanna see myself up at three or four in the morning having to answer people's questions and stuff.
• 1:36:20
  I did that one time with Sarah Westall.
• 1:36:24
  So
• 1:36:25
  noodle on it. We can talk about
• 1:36:28
  undecided. I'm toying with it, but I don't know anything about running one of those things or yeah. I just don't know about them because I've never spent
• 1:36:36
  one
• 1:36:37
  ten minute segment on any social media page in in my entire adult life. It's just not my cup of tea.
• 1:36:48
  I just I'd like to maybe
• 1:36:51
  pardon me?
• 1:36:52
  Unknown: What is that Tucker Carlson's,
• 1:36:54
  video?
• 1:36:57
  Unknown: Well, it's the latest one that he's posted on on this British doctor that's gone over numerous trips to Gaza
• 1:37:04
  and his experiences over there and his experiences with the Palestinian
• 1:37:08
  people. Also, the West Bank and how they're treated. Everybody's treated by Israel and the things that Israel does right there, and it will
• 1:37:17
  I I I just think it's gonna really turn a lot of people in this world even further against Israel.
• 1:37:25
  That's a very hard hitting interview,
• 1:37:27
  and he's just so calm.
• 1:37:30
  The the the strongest he gets even at the most
• 1:37:34
  insidious situation that they're describing and talking about, and all he'll say is appalling.
• 1:37:43
  Appalling.
• 1:37:44
  Somebody's got a clicker going there. Are we gonna win the lottery or what?
• 1:37:50
  Uh-oh. They stopped.
• 1:37:53
  Uh-huh.
• 1:37:54
  So was that a little frog
• 1:37:56
  clicker, or what was that?
• 1:37:58
  A pen?
• 1:38:00
  Unknown: Somebody's anxious pen like my my on screen keyboard. Unfortunately,
• 1:38:05
  that sound channel is
• 1:38:08
  routed to the radio ranch through the Discord server. So Sorry.
• 1:38:13
  Unknown: Sorry. We're getting put up. Well, I didn't know. It's okay. It wasn't too distracting. It's just kinda interesting.
• 1:38:19
  Click. Click. Click. Click. Click. Like, ball clicks as big. Like, I used to hit my lighter on the desk,
• 1:38:27
  to emphasize for emphasis only.
• 1:38:31
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:38:33
  Unknown: Are we talking about involved
• 1:38:35
  Unknown: too much in our conversation.
• 1:38:37
  How are you doing today? Are talking
• 1:38:39
  Unknown: about
• 1:38:45
  well, what the hell is this doctor's name? There's a doctor Tucker Carlson.
• 1:38:50
  Unknown: I don't know the the doctor's
• 1:38:52
  name. N e h l s? I I think so. It's the latest installment on your Tucker
• 1:38:59
  source.
• 1:39:00
  But listen, man. That's a powerful interview.
• 1:39:04
  Unknown: Powerful.
• 1:39:05
  There's one on the Alex Jones show live. Shocking report, Israel's Gaza genocide is exposed.
• 1:39:13
  Eyewitness text testimony.
• 1:39:16
  No. It's gotta be several. That's that's gotta be the, Tucker Carlson
• 1:39:20
  Unknown: thing. Well, it didn't have the title on what I looked at, and I heard him say his name right at the end. But, well, here's Paul. I wanted to mention it to you. The one previous to that
• 1:39:31
  you may be interested in is a hacker,
• 1:39:34
  and he goes over all kinds of stuff. He's he's he's showing,
• 1:39:39
  Tucker is his real name and a signature and his phone number and his Social Security number and all that. Tucker is aghast. Okay? Tucker is like me, a Luddite.
• 1:39:51
  He does not own a computer except for a cell phone. There's no computer in the home.
• 1:39:57
  And, he hasn't changed his phone number in thirty five years.
• 1:40:02
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 1:40:03
  Unknown: And,
• 1:40:04
  and he was kinda shocked at all this. Okay? So that one, you may wanna watch, Paul, because it's all tech stuff.
• 1:40:11
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:40:12
  Frontline doctor, the holocaust in Gaza,
• 1:40:16
  Israeli
• 1:40:17
  torture programs and experimental
• 1:40:20
  weapons. It was two days ago,
• 1:40:22
  Unknown: Tucker. Look.
• 1:40:23
  I know it's sickening. This is how I first got turned on to these bastards all those years ago back in the
• 1:40:30
  sixties or the seventies, whatever it was. But as they started per persecuting and prosecuting the Palestinians,
• 1:40:37
  I saw I became more Arabic.
• 1:40:39
  And, you know, it's funny. Anybody that gets involved in this conflict seems like a lot of the high profile people, Dorothy Thompson,
• 1:40:47
  the most famous
• 1:40:48
  female,
• 1:40:50
  writer of the last century that you've never heard of.
• 1:40:53
  A very favorable
• 1:40:55
  initial
• 1:40:56
  to the Jews,
• 1:40:57
  and then she went over there totally,
• 1:41:00
  changed her tune with total
• 1:41:02
  in the Palestinian camp, and you've never heard of her. The most popular female
• 1:41:07
  journalist
• 1:41:08
  of the twentieth century.
• 1:41:11
  Allison Weir, another one. Very initially,
• 1:41:15
  favorable to the Jews because of the propaganda.
• 1:41:19
  So much so they go over there to their absolute horror.
• 1:41:23
  They find what's going on and and and totally become loyal for the rest of their lives to the Palestinians.
• 1:41:29
  Same type thing. It's happened to a bunch of people.
• 1:41:33
  K?
• 1:41:36
  These people are just from the earliest of They're
• 1:41:41
  they're bloodthirsty.
• 1:41:42
  They love blood, and they love killing,
• 1:41:45
  and they love Satan. Don't they, Murr?
• 1:41:48
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:41:50
  And they love to,
• 1:41:51
  do sacrifices to them because they're
• 1:41:54
  Unknown: they start to realize what's gonna happen to them. So Yeah. If you're one of our listeners and just say you got a red heifer out back or something, you better cover her up and hide her.
• 1:42:06
  Unknown: Well, it's gotta be flawless. You know? This is the thing they keep thinking you're gonna get to do this stuff, and then the heifers
• 1:42:12
  grow too old. Right?
• 1:42:14
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:42:15
  Unknown: Yeah. Here's a short here's
• 1:42:17
  a short clip. The guy's name is, doctor Nick Maynard
• 1:42:21
  from Oxford. Here we go. You wanna hear it? It's don't know. Oh, is this from our Tucker interview?
• 1:42:28
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:42:29
  Unknown: Nick Maynard. Really
• 1:42:31
  sharp guy too. Very likable. Go ahead, Murr. Play a little snippet.
• 1:42:35
  Unknown: Right next to where I was working. While you were operating? One of us till we finished the operation, we had to evacuate the hospital. There are multiple examples
• 1:42:43
  hospitals being attacked. These are not collateral damage. Was it doctor who's operated in these hospitals? Did you notice Hamas command meetings going on while you were there? Not at all. Since October 7, I've been in two hospitals, but prior to that, I've worked in all the major hospitals. I've had unlimited
• 1:42:58
  access throughout all these hospitals, and I've been to every square into these hospitals. You know, NASA medical complex was bombed soon after I left most recently. I walked around every single part of the hospital. I've seen no evidence of Hamas military activity.
• 1:43:15
  Unknown: Did you hear that?
• 1:43:17
  Unknown: Yes, babe. We did. Thank you very much. Okay. Alrighty.
• 1:43:21
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:43:22
  Unknown: I'll tell you Tucker's got the got the gloves off against these bastards.
• 1:43:28
  Unknown: K? He's interviewed this hacker. I don't know if this is another interview, but it might be one from a while ago. But he's an ethical
• 1:43:37
  hacker ethical hacker.
• 1:43:39
  Unknown: I've watched Yeah. I watched both of those. That's why I was just suggesting to Paul. He probably wanna watch it. Guy's very likable,
• 1:43:45
  wants to help humanity, doesn't wanna utilize any of these things negatively,
• 1:43:50
  but he's educating you about what they can do and all this stuff and how to go secure your
• 1:43:56
  data in some of the data breaches that have happened and and and that that kind of stuff. K?
• 1:44:04
  Thank you, Burr.
• 1:44:06
  Yes. Tucker has got the gloves off,
• 1:44:10
  and
• 1:44:12
  I don't know if they can kill him.
• 1:44:16
  I'm
• 1:44:17
  absolutely
• 1:44:18
  100%
• 1:44:19
  convicted
• 1:44:21
  and convinced
• 1:44:22
  that they they murdered
• 1:44:24
  Charlie Kirk.
• 1:44:26
  And this evidence that just came out, Murray, you know what I'm talking about?
• 1:44:30
  About the the contractor,
• 1:44:32
  did you see that yet?
• 1:44:34
  Unknown: No.
• 1:44:35
  But I did see a lot of other things that
• 1:44:38
  Unknown: kind of This is true. Well, this is straight from the horse's
• 1:44:42
  Unknown: This is straight from the horse's mouth. I don't remember what day Charlie got shot in that week,
• 1:44:48
  but they contacted this guy, the governor's office.
• 1:44:52
  Well, hold on. I'm gonna tell you the story if you haven't seen this. I've seen it twice now. The interview with him, short.
• 1:44:59
  The
• 1:45:00
  governor of Utah and the FBI
• 1:45:03
  contacted him to undo that
• 1:45:06
  the the dirt and put in a concrete slab and have it done by Monday.
• 1:45:12
  That's from the FBI and the governor of Utah.
• 1:45:15
  This was a Israeli operation.
• 1:45:17
  You combine that with with
• 1:45:20
  oh, our our FBI director and his conflict with Tulsi Gabbard about having the ability to look into foreign attachments here and the yelling,
• 1:45:29
  screaming match in a
• 1:45:32
  president
• 1:45:33
  presidential cabinet meeting about it.
• 1:45:36
  Now smells to high heaven.
• 1:45:39
  Got their fingerprints
• 1:45:40
  all over it. You'll never be able to prove it, of course,
• 1:45:44
  but their fingerprints are all over it to me,
• 1:45:46
  to me. And I know them.
• 1:45:48
  I know them pretty well, Mer.
• 1:45:52
  Unfortunately.
• 1:45:55
  Unknown: What's funny about the construction on the campus is early on when they did that, their people were reporting how it was already scheduled to be done.
• 1:46:05
  So and then now we have this contractor saying, I'm the one that did it, and this is what happened, and there was a rush job blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:46:11
  Unknown: No. I buy the contractor.
• 1:46:13
  He's
• 1:46:14
  got he's got big balls, and he's stepping forward, and he knows what he's saying and the effect that it can have.
• 1:46:21
  I I applaud him.
• 1:46:23
  Unknown: Okay. My research is showing Even though Kirk wants even though he'll probably never get another government contract
• 1:46:30
  Unknown: the rest of his career.
• 1:46:33
  Unknown: Well, largely, again, early on, people were reporting that he has some type of, connection
• 1:46:39
  with people from TP USA. Like, he's one of our relatives or something.
• 1:46:43
  So I've I've was a whole Listen. At Merrill, I mean, many of you should agree with me that everything we hear, I don't care where it comes from, we're being psyops always.
• 1:46:53
  Everything just Oh, yeah. Everything in the psyops. Now now who who who am I? Who are we hearing
• 1:46:59
  Unknown: from?
• 1:47:00
  Unknown: I'm sorry. I wanna know who are we hearing from? It's
• 1:47:04
  Unknown: what? Brew.
• 1:47:06
  Unknown: Bruh, get close to your phone. We can't get close to the microphone on your phone if you would, please.
• 1:47:12
  Unknown: I'm
• 1:47:13
  I'm blue truther. I my hands hot. So
• 1:47:17
  Unknown: Okay. Well, you sound like crap. What? So get up on your side again. Or get on. We wanna hear what you gotta say, but we can't understand it very well is my point.
• 1:47:27
  Unfortunate. Okay. You got headphones on or what?
• 1:47:32
  Unknown: Yeah. I got the Bluetooth because I'm currently No. That's cleaning.
• 1:47:36
  Unknown: Oh, well, I'm sorry.
• 1:47:39
  Unknown: Well, I'm sorry. That is the problem. I don't wanna shout at anybody.
• 1:47:43
  But
• 1:47:45
  Unknown: Okay. Bluetooth is yes. Bluetooth is
• 1:47:49
  really it
• 1:47:50
  is derogatory
• 1:47:51
  for signals for some reason.
• 1:47:54
  Anyway,
• 1:47:55
  do the best you can. We'll try and
• 1:47:58
  get what we can speak
• 1:48:00
  a little slower and more into the microphone if you can.
• 1:48:08
  Unknown: That's okay. I'll I'm gonna I said what I wanted to say. We're all being psyops. That's the bottom line.
• 1:48:14
  Unknown: Okay. Yeah. There's psyops everywhere, Bruce.
• 1:48:17
  Thanks for joining in.
• 1:48:19
  Who else has got something here? I want y'all to noodle on this x thing. We can discuss it.
• 1:48:25
  I just don't know what all is involved, and I don't want it all to be on me. And it's just,
• 1:48:33
  well, I'm very torn about it. Okay? So I'd like y'all's input.
• 1:48:37
  Let's see what else.
• 1:48:39
  We got a few minutes left. Who else has got something today? We don't have any new people on. Is is, Haika Haika come back with us today?
• 1:48:50
  Unknown: What did Groove say? Is it SIOP?
• 1:48:54
  Unknown: Yeah. He said that we get a SIOP every year, Jones. What I got out of what he said.
• 1:49:00
  Unknown: Comment? Research
• 1:49:01
  shows he wasn't killed. His team was behind him. There's more to it, but do your research.
• 1:49:08
  Unknown: He had a whole new crew on that. He got this thing was set up at the last minute, and he had a whole new crew involved with it. There are a lot of abnormal abnormalities
• 1:49:19
  there,
• 1:49:20
  and it stinks to high heaven.
• 1:49:22
  Okay. Now two, three people want to say something. There's one right there, mister Joe.
• 1:49:27
  Oh.
• 1:49:29
  Unknown: Yes. You've been talking about
• 1:49:34
  Tucker the last few days pretty intensely.
• 1:49:38
  Visited
• 1:49:39
  with Charles Key the other evening.
• 1:49:42
  Unknown: Yes, you At told
• 1:49:44
  Unknown: that meeting and his presentation
• 1:49:46
  had nothing to do,
• 1:49:49
  absolutely nothing to do with the Oklahoma City
• 1:49:52
  Murrow Building issue.
• 1:49:55
  Okay. But I did, Maxine and I visited with him on the side before and after the meeting
• 1:50:01
  and
• 1:50:02
  he assured me
• 1:50:05
  that
• 1:50:06
  there's
• 1:50:07
  more on the Murrah Building
• 1:50:09
  issue
• 1:50:10
  forthcoming
• 1:50:12
  through
• 1:50:13
  Tucker. He said Tucker is really on it.
• 1:50:17
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 1:50:18
  It's good. Good news. So that's just See, Tucker, I'm telling you.
• 1:50:25
  He has taken the gloves off. He's going after these bastards.
• 1:50:32
  Good for you, Tucker. God bless you.
• 1:50:36
  Unknown: K.
• 1:50:38
  Unknown: And I used to think he was one of them when he first starts showing up with his little pink pink bow ties and stuff, and he wasn't yet, pulled over the line.
• 1:50:48
  And I used to think he's an establishment guy, but by golly,
• 1:50:52
  he saw the light. He went down, sat down with Alex Jones for extended lengths of time, got buffed up on everything, and his whole tune has changed.
• 1:51:02
  God bless you, Tucker Carlson.
• 1:51:05
  God bless you.
• 1:51:06
  Now the other interesting thing is, Joe, do you know that right now, Thomas Massey's
• 1:51:12
  family and Marjorie Taylor Greene's family
• 1:51:16
  are down with Joan. I don't know if Joan's over having cocktails with them. They're down in Costa Rica from what I hear, Joe.
• 1:51:25
  No telling what might come out of something like that. Glad to see those two palling up together.
• 1:51:32
  Unknown: Do you know who Brian Glenn is?
• 1:51:36
  Unknown: No. Never heard of him.
• 1:51:39
  Unknown: Brian Glenn was a reporter
• 1:51:42
  for Real America's Voice, and he had a front row seat with Trump.
• 1:51:47
  And
• 1:51:49
  anytime
• 1:51:50
  Trump had a
• 1:51:52
  press conference,
• 1:51:53
  invariably,
• 1:51:55
  he would allow one question
• 1:51:57
  from Brian Glenn.
• 1:51:59
  Well,
• 1:52:00
  boom, one day, Brian Glenn didn't show up on Real America's Voice.
• 1:52:06
  Turns out,
• 1:52:09
  he and Marjorie Taylor Greene are a thing.
• 1:52:14
  Unknown: Oh, these are these are squeezed.
• 1:52:18
  Unknown: That's my understanding.
• 1:52:20
  So the pot thickens.
• 1:52:22
  Unknown: That's good. Well, I you know, I mean, she's a she's very attractive woman to me and a lot of good backbone and basic morals and ethics. I appreciate that she stands behind her words, and she'll get right up there in your face.
• 1:52:38
  Kinda like our girl Nancy here.
• 1:52:41
  And believe me, Nancy's sister
• 1:52:44
  admits that. She says, boy, she'll get in your face, won't she? I said, boy, you you will. So that's the read on our drawing.
• 1:52:52
  I see Marjorie Taylor Greene doing the same thing. God bless her.
• 1:52:56
  Well, she
• 1:53:00
  Unknown: Brian Glenn,
• 1:53:02
  I mean, just boom. He went away. But he had a special place with Trump to be recognized
• 1:53:09
  in those press conference.
• 1:53:12
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:53:13
  Not familiar with him. I never caught his name, but glad to know about him.
• 1:53:18
  Who else got something going on? Scuttlebutt,
• 1:53:21
  gossip, any of that stuff you got? Julie, you got any DC gossip for us?
• 1:53:26
  Unknown: Roger?
• 1:53:27
  Unknown: Yeah. Samuel might. What you got, Samuel?
• 1:53:31
  Unknown: About
• 1:53:32
  a couple of weeks ago, I forget who was interviewing him, but he was an ex signals officer for the Israeli military.
• 1:53:40
  And he said, one thing you don't want
• 1:53:43
  is
• 1:53:44
  the Mossad
• 1:53:45
  and those types of agencies in in in Israel interested in you?
• 1:53:50
  And he said Tucker Carlson is, like, on the top of their list.
• 1:53:55
  Unknown: Oh, I'm sure he is. Without a doubt, they're coming out and trying to demonize him every time one of them opens their mouth.
• 1:54:02
  Absolutely.
• 1:54:03
  So He's been very cautious,
• 1:54:06
  and he he
• 1:54:07
  is. Well,
• 1:54:09
  he's he's got himself isolated off pretty good. He's up there in Maine. I don't know about his surroundings,
• 1:54:16
  but, he's got firearms and he doesn't have computers.
• 1:54:21
  And he's pretty well on top of stuff. Multimillion dollar holding order. I just like him.
• 1:54:26
  Oh, I'm sure he does. You know his background. His mother was the heir to a Swanson frozen food fortune.
• 1:54:34
  K?
• 1:54:35
  So His stepmother. But he doesn't consider himself wretch. His who is his stepmother?
• 1:54:40
  K.
• 1:54:42
  Libby,
• 1:54:42
  kind of, from what I've taken
• 1:54:45
  with him and his brother. Alright.
• 1:54:50
  Go ahead.
• 1:54:51
  Unknown: No. He was six years old when and his brother Buckley
• 1:54:56
  okay. I just wanted to tell you that or everyone that
• 1:55:00
  Uh-huh. His real mother
• 1:55:02
  left the family. She wanted to go off and live a bohemian lifestyle, and and so they weren't
• 1:55:08
  to a very stuff. He was six when that happened. Really? But,
• 1:55:12
  you know, the father and the brothers, they'd sit around the table and talk for hours, you know, and I I know people, Russians in particular, that would do that. You know, they wouldn't clear the table. They just sit there and talk for hours and nibble on something and So about what I'm
• 1:55:29
  Unknown: afternoon? Sure
• 1:55:31
  it is. Yeah. This kind of how his interviews are. Right? It's conversational. So yeah. Well, and I think, the if you really wanna even get a deeper insight into Tucker,
• 1:55:41
  he's done an interview with his brother Buck,
• 1:55:45
  who they call uncle Bucky,
• 1:55:47
  who was one of president Trump's
• 1:55:49
  first supporters
• 1:55:51
  and wrote some of his early speeches,
• 1:55:53
  and they totally turned on him. And those those are in his repertoire up there. If you haven't watched that, very interesting, and they obviously are brothers and love each other and have those memories and laugh and, you know, all that. It's a wonderful interview.
• 1:56:08
  Wish I'd had a brother like that.
• 1:56:11
  So,
• 1:56:13
  anyway, god bless you, Tucker. I don't want him to get you, and, you're a you're a big danger to him.
• 1:56:21
  But see, they can't go knocking off all these high profile people.
• 1:56:25
  Well, I guess they can.
• 1:56:27
  And and if they're desperate enough, maybe they will. But just be careful, folks.
• 1:56:37
  Unknown: I started listening to his Mursh got a show? Came out yesterday.
• 1:56:42
  Is quite interesting too?
• 1:56:46
  No. It just it just came out yesterday with Tucker. I don't know the guy's name, but it's it's biblical. It is about the giants,
• 1:56:55
  the biblical giants, the demons, and advanced Okay. So you're a subscriber?
• 1:56:59
  Unknown: You're
• 1:57:00
  Unknown: a subscriber? No. No.
• 1:57:03
  No. I'm not.
• 1:57:05
  Unknown: Okay. Well, I'll go check. I'll I'm gonna be busy this weekend with Suzanne and Dean.
• 1:57:11
  I'm a take them up tomorrow. Roger.
• 1:57:14
  Hopefully,
• 1:57:15
  good good low weather permitting and do the Quito tour
• 1:57:19
  on the top of a open double decker bus, and it's quite interesting.
• 1:57:24
  Quite interesting. Yes, Dave.
• 1:57:27
  Unknown: They are desperate enough.
• 1:57:32
  Unknown: Well, I guess they are, but, the if that's so, one of these days,
• 1:57:37
  they're gonna take the step too far or some of these other things are gonna become exposed
• 1:57:43
  or god knows we get on a big platform and get to expose our our message is deadly to these bastards, but we just gotta get the audience. We'll get there. Don't worry. It's building.
• 1:57:55
  The the longer it takes,
• 1:57:57
  the bigger impact it's gonna have when it happens.
• 1:58:01
  K? Now, Mer, you've got a radio show this afternoon over on Ribbon, don't you?
• 1:58:08
  Unknown: Sunday.
• 1:58:09
  Unknown: Sunday,
• 1:58:10
  we'll promote your show.
• 1:58:14
  Unknown: It's at two two to 4PM,
• 1:58:16
  central time. Yours truly myrrh on republicbroadcasting.org.
• 1:58:20
  Thank you very much. Yep. There there
• 1:58:22
  Unknown: you go. If you don't get enough of myrrh
• 1:58:24
  here, you can get two hours of her over there tomorrow afternoon.
• 1:58:29
  There you go, Murr. Congratulations. That's a good slot for you, and you've got a lot to tell the people, and I appreciate you belly up to the bar and taking on the assignment.
• 1:58:40
  Many people would not have the courage to do it. You do. God bless you.
• 1:58:46
  We all have a duty to spread the word.
• 1:58:49
  We've been blessed with That's
• 1:58:53
  Unknown: the thing there at RBN that's pretty good is the variety of
• 1:58:58
  opinions and voices that they allow, especially since since John Statmuller has been gone.
• 1:59:05
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:59:07
  Mister Statmuller,
• 1:59:09
  quite a character.
• 1:59:11
  I guess it's something about going to the grave with under one unanswered questions, Murr.
• 1:59:18
  Anyway,
• 1:59:19
  we appreciate Tom.
• 1:59:21
  He's a guy that he personally put in charge of the network and being a listener and a friend of ours.
• 1:59:27
  So, anyway, well, we're gonna take off one day and a half
• 1:59:31
  and go cavort with students,
• 1:59:34
  which is a joy,
• 1:59:35
  and we'll be back, good lord willing, on Monday.
• 1:59:39
  Have a safe abbreviated
• 1:59:41
  weekend
• 1:59:42
  and know that you are loved. That's what my mother would say. Know that you are loved.
• 1:59:50
  Thanks to the family.
• 1:59:53
  If you're in the peripheral waiting,
• 1:59:56
  think about moving.
• 1:59:58
  Ciao.
• 2:00:00
  Alright. We're done.
• 2:00:01
  Okay.
• 2:00:02
  Unknown: Saw you.
• 2:00:04
  Unknown: And now there's Boris with a question immediately after we get off the air. Boris, what can we do for you?
• 2:00:11
  Unknown: Well, I got good news for all of us.
• 2:00:14
  They just make a computer. They made 70,000
• 2:00:18
  computations for a second, and it just got 240.
• 2:00:23
  They say that
• 2:00:25
  all the data centers are gonna be,
• 2:00:28
  obsolete.
• 2:00:31
  Did they make it happen because they are money hungry, and
• 2:00:35
  that don't gonna work because it's too much, resources.
• 2:00:40
  Unknown: Well, there's too much being used for any potential monetary
• 2:00:44
  payback.
• 2:00:45
  That's the problem. They try and load it up front and for it to appear, but long term, this thing just doesn't monetarily work.
• 2:00:53
  And, boy, it's
• 2:00:56
  folks, listen. There's a big ugly crash coming. Get ready.
• 2:01:01
  It's gonna be the worst one in the history
• 2:01:04
  of the planet.
• 2:01:06
  Get ready. Yes,
• 2:01:09
  Dave.
• 2:01:11
  Unknown: My plumber buddy
• 2:01:13
  told me here, he's a master plumber,
• 2:01:16
  and he works for GM for, like, forty years, you know, as a pipe fitter. Love it.
• 2:01:21
  Unknown: He said they just had Michigan just opened up two
• 2:01:27
  Unknown: copper mines. I'm going right now. Dave. Uh-oh. Hold on. Maury? No. The one over there. The one over there. Maury, hit your mic. Hit 6.
• 2:01:36
  Unknown: Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
• 2:01:39
  Alright.
• 2:01:40
  Unknown: Now okay. Go ahead, man.
• 2:01:43
  Unknown: They just opened up two copper mines in Michigan that have been shut down for fifty years
• 2:01:50
  because there's a shortage of copper
• 2:01:52
  because of all the wire and pipe they're putting in these data centers. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And the thing is,
• 2:01:59
  Unknown: it can be
• 2:02:00
  it has to be pure copper from the mine. Yep. It can't be re
• 2:02:06
  what do they call it? When they remelt it and all that because it's from wires
• 2:02:11
  unless they really, really put extra purifying
• 2:02:15
  into it to get it to the same level as original out of the ground copper.
• 2:02:20
  So that's why that's happening right there.
• 2:02:24
  Unknown: Yep.
• 2:02:26
  Unknown: So there's some good plays out there if you're a financial person. I've I I I don't I don't like to do that. I just like to take Jeff c Livermore's
• 2:02:36
  suggestion of
• 2:02:37
  buy right and sit tight. Boy, has it paid off.
• 2:02:41
  Okay. I gotta go meet some of you students and go to lunch.
• 2:02:45
  So, unless somebody has something for me, I'm gonna vamoose.
• 2:02:50
  Unknown: Yeah. Like Mark Kornke says,
• 2:02:53
  Unknown: guns are for buying, not for selling. Same with heavy metals, lead, silver, gold, copper.
• 2:03:01
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:03:02
  Unknown: Yeah. Pretty much. Unless unless you've got something of of value to exchange it for.
• 2:03:11
  You're there there's nowhere to go unless you're exchanging it into value. Now, you know, anyway, I'm not not for today's discussion.
• 2:03:19
  I'm gonna go son just came out, go meet my folks,
• 2:03:23
  enjoy a abbreviated weekend, and I'm gonna see all you little truth seekers,
• 2:03:27
  all you little cowboys and cowgirls and ranch hands. We're gonna see you Monday.
• 2:03:32
  So have a great weekend. Okay? Love you. You Ciao. Roger. Enjoy your get together.
• 2:03:46
  Unknown: So the episode
• 2:03:48
  Lisa's talking about there is
• 2:03:51
  the secret history
• 2:03:52
  of biblical giants,
• 2:03:54
  demons, and the advanced civilizations
• 2:03:56
  before the great flood.
• 2:04:00
  And the
• 2:04:01
  guy's name is
• 2:04:03
  Reverend
• 2:04:05
  Doctor. Stephen De Young.
• 2:04:09
  Unknown: Hey Paul?
• 2:04:14
  Unknown: Paul?
• 2:04:17
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:04:19
  Unknown: This
• 2:04:20
  is Christian.
• 2:04:22
  All this hacking thing, you think I've done enough to change my
• 2:04:28
  account? Do I need to go to a different bank and change it No. No. Completely out of it? No.
• 2:04:34
  Unknown: No. As long as you changed your account number, it's fine.
• 2:04:38
  But when did they start trying to hit your account? On or about the twenty ninth or or earlier than that? Yeah. Twenty twenty twenty seventh.
• 2:04:48
  On the twenty seventh. So
• 2:04:51
  so you agreed to them taking a payment on the twenty ninth, and they tried to take it two days early.
• 2:04:59
  Unknown: Yes. Okay.
• 2:05:04
  Unknown: Then they obviously
• 2:05:05
  cannot be trusted.
• 2:05:08
  So
• 2:05:09
  stick to your guns
• 2:05:11
  and
• 2:05:13
  periodically check with the court to see if their court action has been
• 2:05:20
  canceled.
• 2:05:23
  Okay. And if it hasn't been,
• 2:05:25
  then they did not agree
• 2:05:27
  to your proposal.
• 2:05:29
  They did not agree to your offer in compromise.
• 2:05:33
  And if they did not agree to your offer in compromise,
• 2:05:37
  just
• 2:05:39
  file
• 2:05:42
  a notice of, protected property
• 2:05:45
  with the court.
• 2:05:47
  So it's already there.
• 2:05:50
  And just let him get a damn judgment. It's not like you're gonna be going out buying a new Cadillac anytime soon.
• 2:06:12
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:06:15
  I'm I'm I'm I'm auctioned to protect for protection of property. Right?
• 2:06:20
  Yeah.
• 2:06:22
  Okay.
• 2:06:23
  Unknown: Well and, no, what you do is you just you just grab that document that,
• 2:06:29
  grab that document that Larry
• 2:06:31
  was talking about
• 2:06:33
  and just fill it out
• 2:06:36
  as to everything that's protected that they can't touch.
• 2:06:40
  And if they know they can't touch anything and they know they can't attach your Social Security
• 2:06:45
  check,
• 2:06:46
  then,
• 2:06:48
  only an idiot would proceed.
• 2:06:51
  I think they'll just write it off.
• 2:06:55
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:06:58
  Okay, sir.
• 2:07:01
  Unknown: Yeah. If if they're not going to if they're not going to agree to your offer and compromise
• 2:07:06
  and they didn't even wait
• 2:07:09
  to the twenty ninth,
• 2:07:13
  then these guys can't be trusted.
• 2:07:16
  Unknown: And so afraid to leave your mind.
• 2:07:19
  Unknown: Actually, I would start right at the damn beginning,
• 2:07:23
  and I would throw those throw those bastards
• 2:07:26
  every single hoop you can throw at them to validate the debt and everything else. Just go back to to square one.
• 2:07:35
  Okay.
• 2:07:36
  Prove to me that
• 2:07:38
  I owe you this money.
• 2:07:42
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:07:45
  Unknown: Yeah. You could file a notice of dispute into the court.
• 2:07:49
  And if you want, since you're helping him,
• 2:07:52
  Paul, I could forward you a one page
• 2:07:55
  notice of dispute,
• 2:07:57
  and all he's gotta do is take it down to the courthouse or he could even mail it and
• 2:08:02
  just attach a certificate of service
• 2:08:05
  and send a copy in The US mail. You don't you don't have to send anything certified. Just send it, you know, US Mail
• 2:08:13
  first class. And just send send a copy to the clerk,
• 2:08:19
  and and the clerk will file it.
• 2:08:21
  And then you could send a copy to the opposing
• 2:08:24
  counsel
• 2:08:26
  notice of dispute dispute. Just like if you were like,
• 2:08:30
  before there was ever a court case, if if some debt collector sent you,
• 2:08:35
  you know, some type of letter saying, hey. You owe you owe us or you owe this institution that we're representing
• 2:08:42
  this amount of money,
• 2:08:43
  then you would, at that point,
• 2:08:45
  send them a notice of dispute
• 2:08:48
  that you're disputing the debt and it
• 2:08:52
  doesn't have to be long like Julie read. It could just be really short. I am disputing this debt. Please provide me with more information,
• 2:09:00
  you know, whatever.
• 2:09:02
  Okay. And and so you could do something similar with the court. Okay.
• 2:09:09
  Unknown: Thank
• 2:09:13
  Unknown: you so much, Larry.
• 2:09:15
  Unknown: I would basically tell them you guys have not proven to me that you're the least bit honorable
• 2:09:20
  because you didn't even
• 2:09:23
  you weren't even ready to keep up your end of the bargain
• 2:09:27
  with
• 2:09:28
  the payment that I had originally agreed to.
• 2:09:32
  So at this point, I have absolutely no reason to believe that you are ethical or honorable in any fashion,
• 2:09:39
  so I need you to prove that I actually owe you this.
• 2:09:44
  Now it's time to put up or shut up.
• 2:09:48
  Unknown: Right.
• 2:09:50
  Unknown: And this is Nancy.
• 2:09:54
  Hearsay,
• 2:09:55
  look up your state
• 2:09:57
  rules of evidence
• 2:09:59
  on hearsay
• 2:10:01
  because
• 2:10:02
  this is where
• 2:10:04
  the business exemption
• 2:10:06
  rule
• 2:10:07
  comes in if the alleged original creditor
• 2:10:13
  does not and cannot
• 2:10:15
  provide an affidavit
• 2:10:17
  from a custodian
• 2:10:19
  of their of records
• 2:10:21
  within close proximity
• 2:10:23
  to the events
• 2:10:25
  or events
• 2:10:27
  creation,
• 2:10:28
  discharge of whatever the account,
• 2:10:32
  then anything after that is hearsay and inadmissible
• 2:10:36
  as evidence.
• 2:10:38
  So again, it's a business exemption rule, And you can look that up federally
• 2:10:43
  as well as in your state
• 2:10:46
  rules court rules of evidence and under hearsay.
• 2:10:53
  So anything after, if they cannot provide
• 2:10:56
  someone with first hand direct knowledge,
• 2:11:00
  you can testify
• 2:11:02
  under affidavit,
• 2:11:04
  your testimony court,
• 2:11:06
  admissible testimony under penalty of perjury,
• 2:11:10
  they got nothing.
• 2:11:12
  Anything after that, besides that, is hearsay
• 2:11:16
  and inadmissible
• 2:11:17
  as evidence.
• 2:11:20
  They cannot overcome that. So it's a big hurdle.
• 2:11:28
  And I yield.
• 2:11:32
  Unknown: Make them squirm.
• 2:11:37
  Unknown: Exactly. Hey. Hey, Julie. Julie. This is Nancy. Julie.
• 2:11:41
  Unknown: You want Julie. Julie. Hi. How are you? Are you? I just got I was he was telling me about the exemption rule, and I got somebody just cut my phone off. So
• 2:11:54
  Unknown: that's strange. That
• 2:11:55
  Unknown: was Nancy. That's not yeah. That's Nancy.
• 2:11:59
  Unknown: Oh, Nancy.
• 2:12:00
  Unknown: Okay. Yeah. It's called the business exception
• 2:12:03
  rule.
• 2:12:04
  It's under hearsay
• 2:12:06
  in
• 2:12:09
  rules of evidence.
• 2:12:10
  Your state
• 2:12:12
  court rules of evidence, federal
• 2:12:14
  rules of evidence
• 2:12:16
  under hearsay.
• 2:12:18
  You don't You won't find the the term specifically
• 2:12:21
  business exemption rule, but that's what it's known as. But it's under hearsay.
• 2:12:27
  So if you look up rules of evidence for your state court system,
• 2:12:34
  and you look under find the the part where it talks about hearsay.
• 2:12:39
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:12:40
  Unknown: And read that. It's
• 2:12:42
  when you get to the part where it talks about
• 2:12:45
  direct
• 2:12:46
  first hand knowledge,
• 2:12:48
  custodian of records. There'll be some kind of work verbiage around that. And that's Okay. They they
• 2:12:56
  what but basically, what it means is
• 2:12:59
  the alleged original creditor,
• 2:13:03
  in order to prove the
• 2:13:06
  validity of a
• 2:13:08
  of an obligation or receivable,
• 2:13:10
  an account,
• 2:13:12
  they have to prove
• 2:13:14
  under affidavit of under sworn testimony
• 2:13:18
  of the accuracy and the validity
• 2:13:20
  of the account information.
• 2:13:23
  So anything after or besides that
• 2:13:27
  is not proof. Even in a statement,
• 2:13:31
  then a lot of pages of redacted
• 2:13:34
  account information,
• 2:13:35
  that's all b s.
• 2:13:37
  So what
• 2:13:39
  it it you know, they try to
• 2:13:42
  dazzle us with b s,
• 2:13:45
  and people are intimidated
• 2:13:47
  by a stack of paper.
• 2:13:50
  Unknown: That's what they did. They stacked paper on me, and and I it was either you or Julie or Murr told me even if they have something that says a bill of sale,
• 2:14:02
  that can be redacted too.
• 2:14:05
  Unknown: Well, the bill of sale is not sworn testimony. Again, remember what sworn court testimony and affidavit,
• 2:14:12
  sworn statement under penalty of perjury and witnessed.
• 2:14:17
  Right? So that's court testimony.
• 2:14:19
  And so if you don't have an affidavit,
• 2:14:24
  if they're not pre presenting an affidavit from the alleged original creditor, it doesn't matter what the any third party. They don't have that.
• 2:14:34
  They have nothing.
• 2:14:36
  And even
• 2:14:38
  terms of agreement.
• 2:14:40
  Unknown: Yeah. Hey, Nancy. It's also
• 2:14:43
  my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong here, and Christian, you should probably know this too, is that what these debt collectors
• 2:14:52
  do is they don't just buy your debt. They buy bulk debt. So they buy
• 2:14:58
  I don't know how they'll go to various
• 2:15:01
  companies that have had accounts receivable
• 2:15:05
  on their books that they have not been able to
• 2:15:07
  collect on for months or years, and they'll buy them in bulk. There's absolutely
• 2:15:13
  no auditing or verification.
• 2:15:16
  They
• 2:15:16
  buy it for pennies on the dollar,
• 2:15:19
  and there's no verification of that. So what Nancy is trying to tell you is you really should go look up in your state as well as federal those
• 2:15:29
  rules because they can't validate that. They don't audit it. They just take it as stated, and it is hearsay. It's their word,
• 2:15:38
  and they have no proof. And they cannot unless, like Nancy says, they can get an affidavit
• 2:15:44
  from the original
• 2:15:46
  company that held that debt
• 2:15:49
  that can be admissible in court. That's
• 2:15:53
  why Nancy's been so successful. Three out of three. Congratulations,
• 2:15:56
  Nancy. I'm so proud of you. That's so amazing.
• 2:16:00
  Unknown: Oh, thanks. Well, I've
• 2:16:03
  had coaching
• 2:16:05
  and
• 2:16:07
  so I'll with people that I've met in Joe Lustica's community,
• 2:16:12
  and it's a really powerful
• 2:16:14
  piece of knowledge.
• 2:16:15
  It's like the
• 2:16:17
  the foundation
• 2:16:18
  now, whether they could overcome that, I don't know, but they haven't so far.
• 2:16:23
  But
• 2:16:24
  yeah. Like, there's some people who have sent me
• 2:16:27
  a stack probably about a half inch thick,
• 2:16:30
  and it has
• 2:16:32
  supposedly terms of agreement
• 2:16:35
  for the the account.
• 2:16:37
  But, you know, what I noticed is there's nothing that that in that stack of paper
• 2:16:42
  of what they sent that ties it specifically to me.
• 2:16:46
  And here's where your legal person
• 2:16:49
  comes in.
• 2:16:50
  Because when I was thinking about when I was
• 2:16:53
  prepping for going to court
• 2:16:55
  on Tuesday,
• 2:16:56
  part of the coaching was so my question was, well, we're gonna they're gonna hand me
• 2:17:01
  the statement that they included in the bill of particulars, and it has, you know, something that looks like my name.
• 2:17:09
  Unknown: Yes.
• 2:17:09
  Unknown: But in terms of answering the questions, like, is this you?
• 2:17:13
  You know, it's like, well,
• 2:17:15
  you know, my my legal name is Nancy Melinda Orr.
• 2:17:19
  The name that's appearing on that document in front of me
• 2:17:23
  looks similar, but, you know, there there
• 2:17:26
  are other Nancy Orrs out there.
• 2:17:29
  And number one, is this document
• 2:17:32
  from the bill of particulars? Yes. Well, I can either
• 2:17:36
  affirm
• 2:17:37
  or deny
• 2:17:39
  that this is my legal person, because I question the validity of the document, because it's not been validated
• 2:17:46
  from the original creditor. So this is could be, as as for all I know, just a fabrication, just like deepfakes are in videos.
• 2:17:54
  So people can create anything out there that they want. But if you don't have from the alleged original creditor
• 2:18:01
  validation
• 2:18:02
  in a in court testimony,
• 2:18:05
  so it's a court testimony, an affidavit, a sworn statement validating
• 2:18:10
  from someone who has firsthand knowledge,
• 2:18:14
  a custodian of the records
• 2:18:16
  from the first creditor, the original the
• 2:18:19
  alleged original creditor.
• 2:18:21
  So
• 2:18:23
  they don't have anything. And they're they're just, you know, they're not gonna bother with you.
• 2:18:27
  At least, so far, that's been my experience. Now
• 2:18:32
  and so one of the other
• 2:18:35
  coaching was, and since we talk about legal, you know, person,
• 2:18:39
  personhood and legal person.
• 2:18:42
  So
• 2:18:43
  because I didn't know how how would I answer that question, is this you?
• 2:18:48
  Yeah. I said, well, I don't know. I can't confirm or deny because I don't know the validity of this document.
• 2:18:54
  The name looks like it's similar to my name, but I don't I can't validate I can't affirm that it's my legal person.
• 2:19:03
  So it's also speaking about yourself in the third person. I'm the defendant. I'm representing the defendant,
• 2:19:09
  the plaintiff, and alleged
• 2:19:11
  creditor, alleged death debt. So it takes a little while to get used to that because we're just used we're conditioned to just speak what's on our mind, and they would think it's the truth
• 2:19:24
  without
• 2:19:25
  understanding
• 2:19:27
  what we understand here about legal personhood
• 2:19:31
  and different representation
• 2:19:33
  of the name, and it's not about the all caps or combination of that. But I can authentically,
• 2:19:40
  honestly say,
• 2:19:42
  and and take a stand and say, well, I don't know
• 2:19:45
  if that is mine.
• 2:19:46
  And number one, the document you're using
• 2:19:50
  hasn't been validated from the alleged original creditor. So I I can't confirm or deny it. Looks similar to my name, my legal name, but my leg legal name is this. I'm not gonna be belligerent or hostile. Just say,
• 2:20:04
  you know, I'm happy to negotiate something if you can validate
• 2:20:08
  and prove that this is my legal obligation.
• 2:20:10
  But you haven't. This is the standard.
• 2:20:13
  So it takes a while
• 2:20:15
  to
• 2:20:16
  let those concepts
• 2:20:21
  sink in and that you that you feel you know, you're confident that you're actually being honest and legal and authentic,
• 2:20:29
  you know. So it anyway, I yield.
• 2:20:32
  Unknown: Thank you very much. You can't imagine.
• 2:20:37
  Unknown: I'm authentic like you can't imagine.
• 2:20:42
  Unknown: I can't imagine?
• 2:20:44
  Unknown: Yeah. I'm authentic like you can't imagine.
• 2:20:48
  That's
• 2:20:51
  me.
• 2:20:53
  Unknown: Can't hear you. Can't hear you authentic.
• 2:20:57
  Unknown: Are you sitting on the John Paul?
• 2:20:59
  Unknown: No. I'm not sitting on the John. I was I was standing in front of the coffee pot.
• 2:21:06
  I'm authentic like you can imagine. That's the deal. That's what I am.
• 2:21:12
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:21:13
  It was standing on the Joe.
• 2:21:16
  Unknown: No.
• 2:21:17
  No. No. No. No. No. Actually,
• 2:21:20
  I was about fixing to jump up and down on, on the US Postal Service. I was expecting a package today,
• 2:21:29
  and I just looked at the tracking and it spent forty eight hours,
• 2:21:33
  forty eight whole hours in the middle of the week stalled in
• 2:21:37
  Pennsylvania.
• 2:21:41
  And now it's on its way to New York.
• 2:21:47
  Unknown: Well, better late than never. Right?
• 2:21:49
  Unknown: Thanks. Yeah. My resemble
• 2:21:51
  Unknown: you know, Paul, that's really odd,
• 2:21:54
  Pennsylvania
• 2:21:55
  because
• 2:21:57
  here in Michigan, you know, our assembly, I've talked about we have we my wife and I have a a a it's called a nondomestic
• 2:22:06
  post office mail stop here with our rural route
• 2:22:09
  at our house, and our assembly has the same thing.
• 2:22:14
  And they've they've been sending our mail for the assembly
• 2:22:20
  to Pennsylvania,
• 2:22:22
  and it's been held there for months.
• 2:22:25
  It's really weird.
• 2:22:27
  Unknown: Yeah. Well That's why they don't wanna postmark anything.
• 2:22:31
  No. I think that's what there is.
• 2:22:34
  I think that what they're doing is
• 2:22:37
  I I mean, the package was in Pennsylvania for exactly forty eight hours. It showed up, like, at 11:16
• 2:22:44
  on the twenty eighth, and it departed,
• 2:22:47
  like, 11:12
• 2:22:49
  on today.
• 2:22:51
  So now it's on its way here.
• 2:22:54
  It's
• 2:22:55
  it's ridiculous. It camped out in Pennsylvania.
• 2:22:59
  It's an envelope for God's sake. It camped out in Pennsylvania for almost
• 2:23:04
  forty eight hours exactly.
• 2:23:06
  What the hell were they doing it during that period of time?
• 2:23:12
  Unknown: That's why I was told to make them make sure that they postmark your your
• 2:23:17
  your,
• 2:23:18
  envelope of
• 2:23:21
  the day it was sent. Because mine was on the twenty second. I hadn't received
• 2:23:25
  any anything that they had delivered it yet. And I hadn't checked today, but I will.
• 2:23:31
  Yeah. My resending letter.
• 2:23:34
  Unknown: I'm thinking the only way you can trust the post office for anything is to send shit registered. I don't give a damn if they've gotta put it in a locked cage and sign for it at every chain of custody.
• 2:23:45
  That's what I'm doing. I'm anything I send that's important is gonna go registered,
• 2:23:51
  and it'll be insured for whatever value it has.
• 2:23:55
  I'm I'm done trusting the post office.
• 2:23:58
  They're absolutely right.
• 2:24:01
  Unknown: I'm done. Hey, Christian. That's what I heard registered.
• 2:24:05
  I've
• 2:24:06
  heard that some time ago.
• 2:24:08
  And since they stopped postmarking it, that's that's just giving them excuse not to
• 2:24:13
  do what they're supposed to do, their due diligence.
• 2:24:16
  Unknown: Well, if you send it registered way to have chain of custody.
• 2:24:20
  Registered mail is
• 2:24:22
  it does two things.
• 2:24:24
  You have a signature required at the other end.
• 2:24:28
  So, you know, not only that it was received, but who received it.
• 2:24:33
  And every time it is
• 2:24:35
  stored,
• 2:24:36
  like overnight,
• 2:24:37
  you know, waiting for the next hop in the delivery,
• 2:24:41
  it has to be accounted for
• 2:24:45
  and locked in a secured place.
• 2:24:49
  It's not like they can just leave it out in the warehouse in a mail bin ready waiting to be rolled into the back of a truck.
• 2:24:56
  It actually has to be put in a secured locked area.
• 2:25:01
  Everybody that touches it has to sign that they touched it, that they had it in their possession.
• 2:25:08
  So from the moment you drop it on the counter at the postal service that you mailed it at,
• 2:25:14
  to the time somebody receives it because they signed for it, you know every single person that touched it, you know everywhere it was and for how long, and you know it was secured at every stop,
• 2:25:27
  at every step.
• 2:25:29
  So, that's what I'm I don't give I don't even give a shit if it's $5 more
• 2:25:35
  Unknown: to mail something. Chain of custody
• 2:25:37
  and they know it too.
• 2:25:39
  Unknown: Absolutely. So they are not gonna mess with it. That's
• 2:25:43
  Unknown: important. Yeah. I think that is a that is a
• 2:25:47
  Unknown: that is a cornerstone to do that. Yeah. I think you're right.
• 2:25:51
  Unknown: One more thing Nancy.
• 2:25:53
  One more thing about registered mail. Always put the value at $4,000.
• 2:26:01
  Unknown: How much extra does it cost to do that?
• 2:26:04
  Unknown: Doesn't cost anything extra.
• 2:26:07
  Oh, wow.
• 2:26:11
  Unknown: That's impressive.
• 2:26:13
  Unknown: Sir. Yes, sir. Yeah. So so so brought up the the the bill of sale and how many accounts are being bought. So a debt portfolio is almost never sold
• 2:26:24
  one account at a time. They are massive bulk electronic
• 2:26:28
  data transfers.
• 2:26:30
  The average size is about
• 2:26:32
  well, it ranges anywhere between thousands to tens of thousands of individual accounts,
• 2:26:38
  and the dollar value might be anywhere between 5,000,000 to 50,000,000
• 2:26:44
  in total
• 2:26:45
  in terms of the face value debt sold on a single transaction.
• 2:26:50
  And what they pay for these, the debt collectors,
• 2:26:54
  is pennies on the dollar.
• 2:26:56
  So that could average anywhere between 3 to 6¢ for
• 2:27:00
  every dollar of debt. So
• 2:27:03
  this means a collector may buy a spreadsheet of 5,000 accounts
• 2:27:08
  including,
• 2:27:09
  say, your debt, which is 2,500 or whatever
• 2:27:13
  for an average total price of just $75
• 2:27:16
  to a $150
• 2:27:18
  per account. So
• 2:27:20
  since it's a game of bulk numbers,
• 2:27:23
  if you fight back and demand strict proof of the chain of title,
• 2:27:28
  they often drop the case because it is cheaper to dismiss your lawsuit and move on to a debtor who ignores the paperwork.
• 2:27:35
  It's more like they are looking for lower hanging fruit. Now here's how the whole
• 2:27:41
  bill of sale works.
• 2:27:43
  When a debt buyer like Midland Funding or Portfolio
• 2:27:46
  Recovery Associates
• 2:27:48
  purchases a portfolio
• 2:27:50
  of defaulted credit cards,
• 2:27:52
  they sign a forward flow agreement or a purchase and sale agreement.
• 2:27:57
  The original bank explicitly states in these contracts
• 2:28:01
  that the accounts are being sold as is
• 2:28:04
  with no warranties.
• 2:28:07
  The bank's legal disclaimers typically state that the account balances might
• 2:28:12
  inaccurate
• 2:28:15
  or missing interest updates.
• 2:28:17
  The information and secondly, the information provided may contain errors or belong to the wrong person.
• 2:28:24
  And thirdly, the bank will not provide or guarantee documentation
• 2:28:29
  like the original signed contract of years of statements. It's almost like going to a like a, you know, Joe
• 2:28:37
  Joe's local
• 2:28:38
  car lot and buying a used
• 2:28:41
  car and they have on it, you're buying this as is.
• 2:28:45
  Anyway, it goes on to say if the debt collector sues you for $2,500
• 2:28:50
  debt, they will usually attach a single page document to the lawsuit titled bill of sale and assignment.
• 2:28:57
  This page looks official but it
• 2:29:00
  is entirely generic. It simply states bank x hereby sells a pool of accounts to debt buyer y
• 2:29:07
  on this date.
• 2:29:09
  It does not name you, your account, or your balance.
• 2:29:13
  They will not voluntarily disclose the full as is master agreement because it destroys their credibility. If a judge reads a contract where the original bank explicitly says,
• 2:29:25
  quote, we do not guarantee this data is accurate, end quote, it makes it very difficult for the collector to meet their legal burden of proof.
• 2:29:34
  If you face a lawsuit, you can legally force them to show their cards during the court's discovery phase.
• 2:29:40
  You could file a formal request for production of documents demanding the complete
• 2:29:46
  unredacted
• 2:29:47
  master purchase agreement
• 2:29:49
  and forward flow agreement associated with the bill of sale. Debt collectors frequently object to this request claiming the contract is a trade secret.
• 2:29:59
  If they refuse to provide it, a consumer defense attorney will often point out to the judge that the plaintiff is trying to prove ownership of a bill of sale while actively hiding the contract
• 2:30:11
  that outlines the severe limitations
• 2:30:14
  of that sale.
• 2:30:16
  So just just
• 2:30:17
  an FYI.
• 2:30:19
  Unknown: Okay. Ask for Larry, ask for formal
• 2:30:22
  would you just say a little bit slower?
• 2:30:24
  Unknown: Well, I don't think you're gonna go through all that. It it's just that's what you're ask you're requesting that if you get into a discovery phase. I'm just just kinda reading this to
• 2:30:33
  just give you an idea of what what what goes on in a court and what's going on behind the scenes with these purchase purchase
• 2:30:41
  purchase agreements and bill of sales.
• 2:30:44
  But,
• 2:30:45
  you know, if you were going through the discovery process, you would you would request that document.
• 2:30:51
  Unknown: Okay. And that document is
• 2:30:55
  Unknown: called?
• 2:30:56
  Unknown: It's it's a you you would it would be under a request for productions
• 2:31:01
  production of documents,
• 2:31:03
  and you would be
• 2:31:04
  demanding the
• 2:31:06
  complete unredacted
• 2:31:08
  master purchase agreement
• 2:31:10
  and
• 2:31:11
  forward flow agreement
• 2:31:12
  associated with the bill of sale.
• 2:31:17
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:31:19
  Unknown: And I think Paul's recording this, so you could go back and listen.
• 2:31:22
  Yeah. That'd be wonderful. That'd be wonderful. And all of that has been confirmed, what I just read. I mean, these are just my
• 2:31:29
  my own research that I that I conduct.
• 2:31:32
  But I I when I was listening to I learned about all this initially.
• 2:31:37
  Listening to John Watts. If you want to listen to a good a good solid
• 2:31:42
  guy,
• 2:31:43
  you know, consumer protection attorney with credentials
• 2:31:47
  and
• 2:31:49
  you know, integrity, listen
• 2:31:51
  to John Watts, W A T T S. He's an Alabama consumer protection attorney
• 2:31:56
  and he actually has a video that covers everything that I just just told you.
• 2:32:03
  He's he's even asked these third party debt collectors, especially with portfolio recovery. Like, they just they file some of these guys just file like,
• 2:32:14
  in a in a given county, they might file hundreds of lawsuits a week.
• 2:32:19
  You know? And Yeah. They are depending on what's
• 2:32:23
  known as a default judgment.
• 2:32:26
  Like, where you don't appear like, say somebody
• 2:32:29
  owes
• 2:32:30
  they defaulted on a $1,500
• 2:32:32
  credit card debt, for an example. And then they get a summons. They receive a summons. Someone comes knocking on their door. Okay, the
• 2:32:40
  processor says,
• 2:32:42
  you know,
• 2:32:44
  you've
• 2:32:45
  been served. And
• 2:32:47
  so you open it up, you read it, and it's for a $1,500
• 2:32:50
  credit card debt that you defaulted on, you know, one year ago.
• 2:32:56
  And so what they're counting on is most people are ignorant of how to conduct themselves in court.
• 2:33:02
  Like And and so they're depending on that that you're just gonna be you're gonna become emotional,
• 2:33:08
  and you're like, oh, man. What do I gotta do? I don't know nothing about court,
• 2:33:12
  know, conducting myself in court,
• 2:33:15
  and I can't afford to hire hire an attorney. I mean, after all, the the the person that was just served defaulted on a $1,500
• 2:33:24
  debt that couldn't pay. So how are they gonna be able to afford an attorney who charges anywhere between 4 and $600
• 2:33:30
  an hour? I mean, what would be the point of that?
• 2:33:34
  Because it it's just not worth it to hire an attorney over a $1,500
• 2:33:38
  debt.
• 2:33:39
  Well, it'll cost you more to to pay the attorney to defend you. And so, anyway,
• 2:33:45
  a lot of people will just not show up. They'll just figure, okay. I'll I guess I'll just wait to hear from the court. I'm not even gonna appear and and they'll get a default judgment. They'll get something mailed to them,
• 2:33:57
  you know, and and and then they will have to go from there, you know? Yes. And so that's what they that's what the debt collectors are expecting.
• 2:34:07
  And that's why, like, like, just read earlier during Roger's program,
• 2:34:12
  like, 70%
• 2:34:15
  and it could be in certain jurisdictions as high as 80%
• 2:34:19
  of all lawsuits filed,
• 2:34:22
  civil debt collection lawsuits,
• 2:34:24
  they
• 2:34:25
  are defaulted
• 2:34:28
  and in that particular range between 7080%.
• 2:34:33
  Like, they don't appear their default judgments.
• 2:34:35
  That's just amazing.
• 2:34:37
  Unknown: Thank you. Thank you for that. I Yep.
• 2:34:41
  As this gets closer,
• 2:34:43
  I'm gonna see what this
• 2:34:45
  what they say to this rescinding letter that Paul wrote.
• 2:34:49
  And,
• 2:34:50
  Unknown: you know Yeah. I'll I'll I could send the the notice of dispute to it's a template
• 2:34:56
  to Paul.
• 2:34:58
  And since he's already helping you, all you gotta do is it's already written out. You just gotta put your court in there and your court case number like, you know, who the plaintiff is and the caption, who the defendant is,
• 2:35:11
  and and then you just sign it and date it at the bottom and then there's a certificate of service you fill out and then you send a copy. You gotta put the the opposing council's
• 2:35:22
  name and address in there. You know, whoever whoever the
• 2:35:26
  the attorney is that's representing the the
• 2:35:29
  the
• 2:35:30
  the lawsuit and you gotta send them a copy. Just send it first class mail.
• 2:35:36
  Send send a copy to the court and the clerk will file it into the court And you could follow-up in a couple of days with you know, call the clerk and say, hey. About four or five days ago, I mailed you
• 2:35:49
  a filing. And
• 2:35:51
  can you can did you were you able to file that into the court? I just wanna make sure you filed it. And they'll they'll say yay or nay.
• 2:35:58
  You know? Okay.
• 2:36:00
  So,
• 2:36:01
  and and get that into the court and
• 2:36:04
  and they now,
• 2:36:06
  they won't they won't stop collections because this is different.
• 2:36:10
  Like, when you initially get a collection letter,
• 2:36:14
  there are certain laws that they have to go by, the debt collector. So if you dispute the the debt,
• 2:36:21
  then under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, they they have to stop all efforts to collect on that debt for thirty days while
• 2:36:29
  they conduct an investigation
• 2:36:31
  to give you some some more information as far as what you are
• 2:36:37
  disputing in your dispute letter.
• 2:36:39
  But so none of that is applicable
• 2:36:42
  at this point because all of that has
• 2:36:44
  it's in the past but
• 2:36:46
  still you can dispute it in a court filing.
• 2:36:50
  You know, you can still do that because this is an active case
• 2:36:54
  and you could ask them for further, you know, evidence that you owe this debt. So
• 2:37:01
  and and they to some extent, they are obligated to respond to that. You know? Okay.
• 2:37:07
  So, anyway, hope that helps.
• 2:37:09
  Unknown: Thank you. Thank you so much.
• 2:37:15
  Unknown: Thank you. Is Nancy still here?
• 2:37:19
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:37:20
  Unknown: Hey, Nancy. I had a question.
• 2:37:23
  This this these deaths that you're tackling, were were they something that you entered into
• 2:37:29
  when you were a
• 2:37:31
  citizen,
• 2:37:33
  or are they something that they made up?
• 2:37:35
  Can you give some background?
• 2:37:37
  Unknown: No.
• 2:37:38
  Yeah. I was a I was a US citizen. And there was
• 2:37:42
  they probably I think they all
• 2:37:45
  go back to
• 2:37:47
  I was hospitalized about three years ago.
• 2:37:50
  And
• 2:37:51
  so I've had a loss. Also,
• 2:37:54
  I've had
• 2:37:56
  tremendous decrease in my income since
• 2:38:00
  2021,
• 2:38:02
  since I got fired from my state job for not noncompliance with COVID crap.
• 2:38:06
  But
• 2:38:08
  this this like, the first one in November was related to my hospitalization
• 2:38:14
  in 2023.
• 2:38:18
  And I have become a a national
• 2:38:21
  in 2023.
• 2:38:22
  So I think it so that was I probably actually, that one, I probably still I was a national by then for the hospitalization.
• 2:38:31
  Of course, you know, when you go to emergency room, you're not really that concerned about that.
• 2:38:37
  Unknown: Right.
• 2:38:41
  Unknown: When you're when you're Yeah. There's charges that they can run up in a hospital. I mean, I had a dislocated shoulder and this is, jeez, at least ten years ago. And they ran up a bill of $30,000
• 2:38:51
  on me.
• 2:38:54
  That's insane.
• 2:38:55
  My chiropractor told me, he says, I would have come to him, he he said he would have put it in. He's at $40 a visit.
• 2:39:05
  Unknown: Yeah. Well and and and I
• 2:39:07
  a friend of mine was saying how how she,
• 2:39:11
  years ago,
• 2:39:13
  talked to I don't know how much they've charged for taking out a splinter from her three year old while she was admitted for
• 2:39:22
  I think,
• 2:39:24
  she was running a fever. She was experiencing
• 2:39:27
  some medical emergency, and she had her
• 2:39:30
  toddler child with her. And
• 2:39:33
  but they charged, like,
• 2:39:36
  couple thousand dollars
• 2:39:39
  for taking out the splinter for from her child.
• 2:39:42
  But she got on the phone and
• 2:39:45
  entered into
• 2:39:46
  negotiation,
• 2:39:47
  and I think she only paid end up paying, like, a $150
• 2:39:50
  or like that. But so most people just don't want
• 2:39:54
  to deal with negotiating.
• 2:39:56
  I mean, that's something else that we're also not
• 2:39:59
  we're conditioned
• 2:40:01
  to do, to not negotiate,
• 2:40:03
  to be fearful of negotiating.
• 2:40:07
  So it's a hassle. It takes effort.
• 2:40:09
  You know? It takes lots.
• 2:40:11
  Unknown: Well, the other thing I just like to throw out there is
• 2:40:16
  and I don't like using the term national. I just assume call myself a Californian.
• 2:40:22
  Is that once
• 2:40:24
  we've elected to change our status,
• 2:40:28
  we shouldn't be using their system anymore to beat them.
• 2:40:33
  We should try to remain in the private and not be in the public.
• 2:40:38
  And the best explanation of what that means
• 2:40:43
  is
• 2:40:44
  the way Brost explains it. It's very difficult to get through your mind because we're so brainwashed, but there's a there's a public and a private and how it's supposed to be used when it was used and how it was used,
• 2:40:57
  and they flipped it.
• 2:40:59
  And that that's the status that I think that we should be trying to
• 2:41:04
  ascertain.
• 2:41:06
  And it's it's it's like, yeah, who is that that they're talking about it? I mean, if it's from the old world that you were in,
• 2:41:14
  it's that what Brose calls the resin trust. It's a thing
• 2:41:20
  and because it's not flesh and blood anymore
• 2:41:22
  it comes under admiralty law according to him. So
• 2:41:29
  it it it changed and the
• 2:41:32
  first thing that they used to decide in court,
• 2:41:35
  any court,
• 2:41:36
  was whether they had jurisdiction or not.
• 2:41:39
  Well, they presume all that now.
• 2:41:41
  And that's another place where,
• 2:41:44
  you know,
• 2:41:46
  it I mean, it's it's an assumptive thing. I mean, if if you show up, they have jurisdiction. That's what Stamper says.
• 2:41:53
  And he has in his abatement,
• 2:41:56
  he has a pre court letter that he sends him telling him he knows that that's their policy,
• 2:42:05
  yet he still is objecting to it in writing
• 2:42:09
  and telling them why.
• 2:42:12
  I mean, I we're never gonna figure out how to get out of this if we don't practice it, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
• 2:42:20
  Yield.
• 2:42:21
  Unknown: Well,
• 2:42:24
  I I take one step at a time, Samuel, with what's right in front of me.
• 2:42:30
  And this is I understand. This is
• 2:42:33
  my
• 2:42:34
  mastery class in this particular area.
• 2:42:38
  So that's my my mission, you know, is to do what's mine
• 2:42:42
  to do.
• 2:42:43
  And this evidently is mine to do right now.
• 2:42:47
  So
• 2:42:48
  Right. The so just in even looking at the coaching around
• 2:42:53
  the potential being, you know, being put on the stand to be examined
• 2:42:58
  by the plaintiff,
• 2:43:00
  the the the
• 2:43:01
  debt collector,
• 2:43:03
  you know, because first obstacle I had to go through
• 2:43:06
  is recognize, oh, my legal person. And I don't know if this legal person that they're putting in front of me on paper is my legal person. Most we don't we're not trained to think that way. We're not conditioned to think that way. Right? Yeah. So
• 2:43:22
  that was just the next little hurdle or change in my thinking,
• 2:43:28
  even
• 2:43:29
  with my
• 2:43:31
  what I've learned here
• 2:43:33
  with Roger and
• 2:43:36
  other groups.
• 2:43:38
  And that was seemed pretty solid,
• 2:43:41
  solidly based in my understanding of the law and legalese
• 2:43:45
  at this point. So,
• 2:43:47
  you know, what you're talking about is,
• 2:43:50
  you know, right now for me, it's not
• 2:43:54
  I I don't see its
• 2:43:57
  Unknown: immediate relevance. I that's why I asked you whether the this was under citizenship
• 2:44:02
  or not, and
• 2:44:04
  Unknown: was it valid? You know? Well well, it was well and so we could talk about valid.
• 2:44:09
  We know that they they write this off under their taxes, so they've gotten value. They've sold it
• 2:44:15
  at least once, who knows how many times.
• 2:44:18
  But so they have,
• 2:44:20
  you know, under a fraudulent
• 2:44:22
  monetary system,
• 2:44:25
  what is my obligation?
• 2:44:27
  Right? And and who's
• 2:44:30
  Unknown: unjust ly enriched? Nancy, don't forget that the the the original creditor had an insurance policy on it. So they got paid by insurance
• 2:44:39
  also.
• 2:44:41
  Unknown: Right. And and and I I don't even think about that
• 2:44:44
  initially, Larry. So that's right. So in unpacking, you know, trying to
• 2:44:51
  relearn or to learn new anew,
• 2:44:54
  you know, coming in clean hands, being
• 2:44:57
  responsible
• 2:44:58
  on
• 2:45:00
  as a national as a state citizen, as a
• 2:45:03
  free inhabitant of the republic. You know,
• 2:45:07
  Unknown: it
• 2:45:10
  Unknown: it takes a while to understand
• 2:45:13
  and to because I wanna be
• 2:45:15
  honorable.
• 2:45:17
  Unknown: But then I If I may. Under
• 2:45:19
  Unknown: unpack that, oh, this whole thing is fraud.
• 2:45:23
  This whole thing is fraud and how how Absolutely. Approach it with honor.
• 2:45:28
  Unknown: Right.
• 2:45:29
  Unknown: I just wanna say,
• 2:45:31
  just remember,
• 2:45:33
  everything they do is in fraud.
• 2:45:36
  They don't loan you any money. They don't loan us any money. They create current
• 2:45:42
  c
• 2:45:43
  with the ink
• 2:45:45
  from your signature,
• 2:45:47
  your autograph.
• 2:45:49
  Oh,
• 2:45:50
  Unknown: yeah. Yeah.
• 2:45:52
  Yeah. I'm I'm I'm very much aware about that,
• 2:45:55
  Unknown: Dave. Thank you. A judge a judge reviewed my $30,000
• 2:45:59
  Unknown: debt, and he I know you are, Nancy. I know you are. I'm just saying it for anybody that's out there listening that doesn't know. Right? Oh, sure. Just for to, you know, to add to the conversation
• 2:46:11
  that these these banksters, these fraudsters,
• 2:46:15
  they're gangsters
• 2:46:16
  and right? They've been ripping us off since since we were in the womb,
• 2:46:23
  and I yield.
• 2:46:25
  Unknown: That that that $30,000
• 2:46:27
  debt that that
• 2:46:28
  hospital wanted to put on me, a judge reviewed it and dismissed it.
• 2:46:33
  Never heard it from him again.
• 2:46:36
  Never paid a dime.
• 2:46:38
  I don't know why.
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  Unknown: Dave, what you're saying is true
• 2:46:42
  that they don't loan you anything and, of course, Roger teaches us that your signature is what creates the currency.
• 2:46:50
  But all of that is kind of irrelevant in the sense that
• 2:46:54
  when you sign the application in that application,
• 2:46:57
  it says that you are promising to pay back
• 2:47:00
  all of the so called money you're borrowing from the bank
• 2:47:04
  because they're not you're not borrowing anything from them,
• 2:47:08
  obviously, which you just talked about.
• 2:47:11
  But you signed that you would pay back that so called loan of credit.
• 2:47:17
  And so all the judge can look at is that contract. So, Samuel, even what you're saying does you know, were you a US citizen or is this for US citizens?
• 2:47:27
  It's all irrelevant because if you sign that, you signed it under that legal person that you would be dependent And
• 2:47:35
  Unknown: that's why I asked Nancy for the first time. I I never had any background on,
• 2:47:40
  you know, where she was starting this from. And that's
• 2:47:43
  the reason I asked.
• 2:47:45
  Unknown: Oh, and I I mean, actually, so summer of twenty twenty three, I'd submitted my affidavit in March 2023. So I was
• 2:47:55
  no longer a US citizen at that time.
• 2:47:59
  But
• 2:48:01
  I I'm at this particular point, I I'm agreeing with
• 2:48:05
  Larry in terms of this is contractual and commercial
• 2:48:11
  in nature,
• 2:48:13
  least that I can
• 2:48:15
  most clearly and solidly stand on.
• 2:48:19
  So that makes the most sense that
• 2:48:21
  that I can move forward on and defend it. So I'm open to further broadening of my
• 2:48:29
  perspective and knowledge base. But I think that the most powerful thing is understanding
• 2:48:35
  how to challenge and dispute. And I think that's what kind of the message, like, your experience with the hospital
• 2:48:42
  debt.
• 2:48:43
  And
• 2:48:45
  and and my experience is disputing it and being willing to stand up, you know, saying I, oh, and so, you know, the time that I was in March in March of this year, when this
• 2:48:59
  debt collector whose court date is for this coming Monday, they've not done anything, they've not filed their bill of particulars,
• 2:49:06
  They didn't have any proof of claim at the time of the initial hearing.
• 2:49:11
  But,
• 2:49:15
  you know, it's it's it's just calling their bluff, being willing to call them on their bluff.
• 2:49:21
  Unknown: Well, like Larry says, they're they're taking these big bundles of numbers,
• 2:49:26
  you know, of debt,
• 2:49:28
  and they're doing the numbers on them. They they know they're gonna get all these default judgments. They probably borrowed money against it because it's so,
• 2:49:36
  you know profitable
• 2:49:39
  and they know what the numbers are. It's sort of just like insurance companies. They they know what they're gonna be paying out roughly unless there's a huge disaster. Right? And they they bank it. Well, and the court makes a lot of money. I mean, it's $60 court cost just for that initial hearing,
• 2:49:56
  Unknown: and it says us the stack of papers in front of that plaintiff's attorney is about a foot high, if not higher. And that's just one session for about an hour or an hour and a half. And there's probably two or three other courts going on at the same time.
• 2:50:11
  Unknown: There's also that resident trust who might be getting billed
• 2:50:15
  as well. Yeah.
• 2:50:18
  Unknown: Oh, know what I wanted way beyond the court cost. Who knows what that is. Right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And what the the court what the judge or magistrate
• 2:50:26
  asked me after I, you know, came up to the front and just she said, well,
• 2:50:31
  why do you feel that this is not your
• 2:50:35
  debt?
• 2:50:36
  I thought, well, that's interesting. Feel? Feel. That's cute. Yeah. It was cute. Yeah. It's like, okay. Because I'm just watching. I'm trying to try to pay attention to the words that are used.
• 2:50:46
  And and I said to her, I said, well, I've reviewed the documents that the plaintiff has have submitted to me, and I'm not persuaded that that it's a legal obligation of mine.
• 2:50:59
  That was the initial hearing. So then, you know, it's that's all that I said. That's all that was needed. Right? And so but I I didn't say anything about feel.
• 2:51:09
  Unknown: That's like, that's funny. Why do I A lot of these a lot of these attorneys and judges,
• 2:51:14
  they know each other. They're friends.
• 2:51:17
  I'm sure. Literally, they're friends. They
• 2:51:20
  they have been dealing with each other for years. In Duval County here,
• 2:51:24
  this one debt collector I was dealing with, Haight Haight and Landau,
• 2:51:29
  and I think they're in a couple of states.
• 2:51:31
  And they are big time debt collectors for the for Bank of America and several other big banking institutions.
• 2:51:39
  And I went and looked on the docket, and I went back ten years
• 2:51:43
  to see how many cases
• 2:51:45
  they filed
• 2:51:47
  and with and with what and with what judges they filed them with.
• 2:51:51
  And it was into the thousands.
• 2:51:54
  Like, in one year, you might have, like, 200 cases filed
• 2:51:59
  against people.
• 2:52:01
  And so these same attorneys
• 2:52:04
  are in front of these judges
• 2:52:07
  Unknown: all the time, every day, day in and day out. Are getting kickbacks on every default judgment they write. And That's true. Just remember the three Stooges attorneys were
• 2:52:19
  Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe.
• 2:52:22
  Unknown: Exactly. I mean, the the judge has agreed handicaps on the golf course.
• 2:52:28
  Unknown: The judges, I mean, they're depending on their retirement through this whole system.
• 2:52:33
  So, of course, they're gonna give debt collectors
• 2:52:36
  favorable,
• 2:52:37
  you know, ruling.
• 2:52:40
  Unknown: Yes. Can I can I butt in a minute?
• 2:52:44
  Sure. While my while my mind's holding with what, is is this Nancy or Julie?
• 2:52:50
  Unknown: This is Nancy.
• 2:52:52
  Unknown: Nancy.
• 2:52:53
  Okay.
• 2:52:55
  When you said you don't feel you know, they said, do you feel like you owe this debt?
• 2:53:01
  What what you said, okay. Then you answered
• 2:53:05
  again and said,
• 2:53:08
  Unknown: what I said that just kinda stopped them or shut them up? I just no. This is the initial hearing of the creditor.
• 2:53:15
  So you get the warrant of debt after, you know, they've reached out to you, sent you a couple mailings, and you don't respond.
• 2:53:22
  And or you have, and they still take you to court. So this is the initial hearing.
• 2:53:27
  And Oh, okay. Most Mhmm. As Larry is saying, most of the people
• 2:53:33
  in that stack of paper of court cases do not dispute. They don't show up. So it's a default judgment. So when the the magistrate asked me, you know, I came up, say, woah. Woah. I'm here. I'm here. They'll go on because it's like lightning fast.
• 2:53:49
  It just it just this is like one act, you know, default default, you know.
• 2:53:53
  But I said,
• 2:53:55
  well, I've reviewed
• 2:53:56
  the documents
• 2:53:58
  that the plaintiff
• 2:53:59
  has sent me and submitted. Because at that
• 2:54:03
  anything really into the court yet.
• 2:54:07
  But
• 2:54:09
  I I think for some reason,
• 2:54:11
  they'd sent me
• 2:54:14
  what they typically send for bill of particulars. But I just said, well, I've reviewed
• 2:54:20
  what they have sent me, and I'm not persuaded
• 2:54:24
  that it's a legal obligation of mine. So I just had thought about that previous
• 2:54:30
  to prior to going in there, I was prepared
• 2:54:33
  with what I was gonna say.
• 2:54:35
  Unknown: Right? And actually And the whole court thing is an assembly line.
• 2:54:39
  Unknown: Yeah. Like you said, it's going so fast.
• 2:54:42
  Unknown: Yeah. And I just Basically,
• 2:54:44
  Unknown: what Nancy's saying is there's three answers.
• 2:54:47
  Yes, no, and I don't know, and she chose the I don't know answer.
• 2:54:51
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. That's very good, Larry.
• 2:54:54
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:54:55
  That's good.
• 2:54:56
  That's good. I wanted to talk to while that was I didn't wanna interrupt. No.
• 2:55:01
  That was that was very
• 2:55:03
  and then you said then you said, did they stop at that point? What happened then?
• 2:55:08
  Unknown: They scheduled for the trial. And then the court ordered
• 2:55:13
  the plaintiff, the debt collector,
• 2:55:15
  to submit to the court and to me the their proof of claim, their bill of particulars
• 2:55:21
  by a certain date,
• 2:55:23
  and that I was ordered court ordered to respond to that bill of particulars
• 2:55:28
  by a certain date to the court and to the plaintiff.
• 2:55:31
  And in this in this one particular case that's coming up this Monday, which won't happen,
• 2:55:37
  They didn't do any of that. They didn't submit they didn't have proof of claim on the hearing date,
• 2:55:42
  and I objected to it. I motioned
• 2:55:45
  I had the presence of mind to say, your honor, I motion to dismiss for lack of evidence.
• 2:55:51
  Unknown: Yes. And
• 2:55:53
  Unknown: and and she said, well, it was a female.
• 2:55:56
  Said, well,
• 2:55:58
  you know, I think that, you know, I would give you a continuance so that it's only fair
• 2:56:03
  to give the plaintiff a continuance
• 2:56:07
  too. And I just shut my mouth, and I was not gonna be belligerent or
• 2:56:11
  host hostile, because I'm play I'm approaching this
• 2:56:16
  in a high frequency state
• 2:56:18
  of gratitude and play.
• 2:56:22
  So Okay. This is a game,
• 2:56:25
  and I'm in this game,
• 2:56:27
  and I'm gonna learn how to play the game.
• 2:56:30
  Because
• 2:56:31
  I've already What is it? I've already volunteered into it. I've already joined this game.
• 2:56:37
  And so I've gotta, you know, if I wanna get out of this game, stop playing this game, I it's time for me to grow up and learn how to play this game,
• 2:56:46
  you know. So
• 2:56:48
  so I so it sounds that's a really good shorthand thing, Larry, of yes, no, or I don't know. And I just
• 2:56:55
  because when I looked at doing a chapter seven bankruptcy
• 2:56:58
  in last summer,
• 2:57:00
  and some attorneys two attorneys, you know, your name is on the is public information that you're under this lawsuit. So you get solicitations
• 2:57:08
  from lawyers that who want to defend you.
• 2:57:12
  And one of I called them both, and one of them said, well, you know, when you go into the court, just say don't say anything about your contacting a tore an attorney or you you're doing gonna do chapter seven bankruptcy or anything. Just say you're you need further time to evaluate
• 2:57:29
  the the information
• 2:57:31
  and consultant it and to consult counsel.
• 2:57:35
  And so
• 2:57:36
  they that's basically saying the same thing I don't know, Is that you're you're not prepared to answer yes or no. I need more time, your honor. So but I just I just it was curious. It was interesting to know that how they frame the question. How do you why do you feel
• 2:57:54
  that this is not
• 2:57:56
  your your debt or your,
• 2:57:58
  you know, your debt obligation?
• 2:58:00
  Feel. Oh,
• 2:58:01
  my feelings have nothing to do with this.
• 2:58:06
  Unknown: Wouldn't read too much into that. That's the way a lot of people talk. Like, even when you got news anchors
• 2:58:12
  giving interviews, they they they'll say to their, guest,
• 2:58:16
  you know, how do you feel about the like, after they ask their question, how do you feel about this? That's just how people talk in America. That judge was just trying to be friendly but still
• 2:58:25
  show that she's
• 2:58:28
  she's inwardly siding with her constituents,
• 2:58:31
  Unknown: the other attorneys. I don't care what the what the the court's motivation. I'm not assigning any particular
• 2:58:40
  weight or strategy or agenda. I'm just noting
• 2:58:44
  that that's what they asked me, that why do you feel this? Because I'm not approaching it on a feeling basis. I'm not gonna answer to the feeling question. I'm just going to stick. And that's what you need to you have need to have your script,
• 2:58:57
  and it's good to know the parameters of what you're gonna answer.
• 2:59:02
  You know, I know that I was I I knew exactly what I was gonna say,
• 2:59:07
  and I was gonna stick to the script. And I knew what to expect because of a that free consult with an attorney that
• 2:59:15
  the purpose of the meeting is gonna be this, and you only have to say this.
• 2:59:20
  And then what's gonna happen is they're gonna schedule a court date.
• 2:59:23
  And then you from that point on,
• 2:59:26
  you make other choices. So it helps to know,
• 2:59:30
  Larry, for me, just in my process,
• 2:59:34
  to know the the extent of their the arena
• 2:59:38
  and the consequences,
• 2:59:39
  immediate consequences of that,
• 2:59:42
  environment.
• 2:59:43
  Right? So they're gonna ask me this. They're gonna ask me that. And the outcome the outcome here is they're gonna schedule a trial date.
• 2:59:52
  Right? That's all that's gonna happen. That helps me to prepare and not
• 2:59:57
  not and to reduce my anxiety.
• 3:00:00
  Right? So that I am more in charge of my emotions
• 3:00:04
  or anxiety. Because, you know, fear inhibits our critical thinking.
• 3:00:09
  Unknown: If you wanted to be assertive
• 3:00:11
  and polite toward the judge when she said, how do you feel about this? Is this your is this your debt?
• 3:00:17
  How do you feel about this? She could say, well, your honor, if you're asking me what my thoughts are,
• 3:00:23
  I don't know if this is my debt. So far,
• 3:00:27
  opposing counsel hasn't provided any evidence that would show that I am legally obligated to pay this debt.
• 3:00:34
  And then you just keep quiet and wait for the judge or the opposing counsel to respond.
• 3:00:40
  And that's how he really handles a matter like that. So
• 3:00:44
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, that's that's that's wonderful. And what I did was perfectly appropriate too. So,
• 3:00:51
  you know, people are not gonna use the exact same words, but the essence of
• 3:00:57
  what you're trying to accomplish is
• 3:00:59
  what's important. I mean, you can follow you can so we're talking about scripts here. And I just knew, okay, this they have to prove their claim and what they prove. So I'm not going to really answer the I'm gonna answer respectfully and sit and friendly,
• 3:01:16
  civilly to the the judge. I'm not gonna be hostile or
• 3:01:20
  obstructionist. I'm saying, well, you know, they haven't proved it so far. I've looked at their documents, and I'm not persuaded
• 3:01:26
  that it's my legal
• 3:01:28
  obligation. It's not So so what you what you said was probably more elegant, I don't know, or more legalese.
• 3:01:36
  Unknown: Oh, you you you did fine. I'm just telling you how I would have approached that. That's all. You know? Yeah. Well, those are But That's that's a great You don't ever wanna be hostile toward a judge. That's that's a good way of, you know,
• 3:01:48
  losing your case
• 3:01:50
  and and having, you know definitely having a continuance granted,
• 3:01:54
  you know, as far as the opposing counsel's concerned. But another thing to it was brought up before,
• 3:02:01
  you know, what if the debt collector
• 3:02:04
  gets a copy, like, when they buy the portfolio
• 3:02:07
  from the original creditor containing thousands of of accounts,
• 3:02:12
  and it just so happens that there's a copy of your application
• 3:02:17
  in that electronic
• 3:02:18
  portfolio.
• 3:02:20
  And then they they they attach that as an exhibit to their
• 3:02:24
  to their complaint that they send you with the summons.
• 3:02:28
  And then they bring that up at the pretrial,
• 3:02:32
  you know, at the pretrial meeting or hearing, the pretrial hearing, whatever you wanna call that.
• 3:02:38
  Because what the judge is trying to determine is, is this is this a legitimate debt?
• 3:02:44
  That's why she asked you, you know, what what are what are your thoughts on this? And she asked me, how do I know, yes, do I feel?
• 3:02:50
  What's Right. It's either yes, it is my debt or no, it isn't my debt or I don't know if it's my debt. And that helps the judge because she's got a lot of cases on her docket.
• 3:03:00
  That helps her determine, you know, do we just need to dismiss this? Because what if you said, well, your honor, I mean, that's not even my name on on the complaint. Or, your honor, I mean, there's another person associated.
• 3:03:12
  I'm sure that's another person's name. Like, say it's the it's a similar name,
• 3:03:17
  but the the spelling is slightly different. You could say, well, that's not how I spell my name. I mean, the and I'm not familiar with that debt. And so the the judge can, you know, immediately dismiss it, and then they they would have to move on or get more more information if if this is your debt.
• 3:03:36
  Unknown: But Okay. Going back Larry, in an initial hearing like this,
• 3:03:41
  So,
• 3:03:43
  for instance,
• 3:03:45
  the
• 3:03:47
  this one is coming up for Monday. At the initial hearing,
• 3:03:52
  they didn't have anything to show the judge.
• 3:03:56
  They didn't have anything to proof of claim at the initial hearing.
• 3:04:00
  So
• 3:04:01
  number one, is it how how likely is it gonna be that there's gonna be a document
• 3:04:07
  that the plaintiff's attorney has is gonna be all that information? Very unlikely.
• 3:04:12
  So there You're right. In that case Right. They were expecting a that you wouldn't show up and that they would just get a default judgment. But they didn't miss didn't dismiss it. And I it wouldn't have been dismissed out of hand anyway because
• 3:04:25
  here in that in my case, they didn't have anything, and the judge didn't wanna dismiss it. I moved to dismiss for lack of evidence.
• 3:04:34
  And the the court wanted to give the plaintiff
• 3:04:38
  the opportunity
• 3:04:40
  to get their act together, which they haven't, which fine. If I'm not where the judge is in bed with the plaintiff. Sure. Sure. But my my point being so let's get back to
• 3:04:51
  the court testimony and affidavit
• 3:04:54
  from the custodian of records from the original alleged alleged original creditor.
• 3:04:59
  Even if they sent me a stack
• 3:05:02
  that had a contract,
• 3:05:04
  number one, it's not gonna be a credit card application. It's not gonna be in my signature.
• 3:05:09
  Right? Is it because it's something online.
• 3:05:12
  So
• 3:05:13
  I'm going if they do not have certification and affidavit from the alleged original creditor
• 3:05:19
  certifying that the documents that they have, that they bought, they they're presenting
• 3:05:23
  are valid and correct, it's hearsay
• 3:05:26
  and inadmissible.
• 3:05:29
  So that's gonna be my point of attack. I'm gonna stay on that baby all the way to the end.
• 3:05:35
  Unknown: So Well, just remember though that you brought up a
• 3:05:39
  was an application done online.
• 3:05:41
  An electronic signature
• 3:05:43
  there's there's some type of law that was passed
• 3:05:46
  several decades ago, and electronic signature is just as valid. Like, if you print your name That's argument,
• 3:05:53
  Larry. Well, I know. I'm just saying that FYI,
• 3:05:56
  it's just as valid as a as a I know. A a wet ink signature.
• 3:06:01
  Unknown: My point, Larry, my point
• 3:06:04
  is if they do not have
• 3:06:07
  under penalty of perjury an affidavit,
• 3:06:10
  a sworn firsthand knowledge testimony
• 3:06:13
  from the alleged original correct creditor
• 3:06:16
  stating that this document,
• 3:06:19
  these records are true and correct,
• 3:06:23
  which they unlikely
• 3:06:24
  to have,
• 3:06:26
  it's hearsay
• 3:06:27
  and inadmissible.
• 3:06:29
  So it doesn't even matter
• 3:06:31
  if they have a contract
• 3:06:32
  that appears to be signed.
• 3:06:34
  If the documents they are using as evidence, a proof of claim, do not begin and end with
• 3:06:41
  an affidavit from the alleged original creditor
• 3:06:45
  who's a custodian of records,
• 3:06:48
  they don't got butt kiss.
• 3:06:51
  It's hearsay.
• 3:06:53
  So you have to know that. Like, I have there's another
• 3:06:57
  creditor
• 3:06:58
  from
• 3:07:00
  about the same time that I've done a dispute.
• 3:07:04
  Just not it's not gone to court yet. They haven't submitted for a warrant of debt.
• 3:07:09
  But
• 3:07:11
  they've sent me a a terms of agreement.
• 3:07:15
  But there's nothing in those pages
• 3:07:18
  that tie it to my me,
• 3:07:20
  to my account. It's just general terms of agreement for a line of credit with them.
• 3:07:25
  So but and that doesn't even matter.
• 3:07:28
  Because what I know now,
• 3:07:30
  if they do not have
• 3:07:33
  from the original creditor
• 3:07:36
  an affidavit,
• 3:07:37
  sworn testimony from someone with per firsthand knowledge,
• 3:07:43
  they don't have anything. It's all in it. It's hearsay.
• 3:07:46
  That's so powerful. Now, if they do have that, then I'm okay. What's the worst thing that that's gonna happen? Oh,
• 3:07:54
  I I get to negotiate a settlement.
• 3:07:58
  Okay.
• 3:08:01
  So I'm prepared for that.
• 3:08:04
  Unknown: So but I do you understand what I'm saying? The the point is Yeah. Settlement's always good. I mean, if you could only pay for half the or even a third of the debt,
• 3:08:13
  you know, if you can negotiate it down to a third of what it was, that's always a win win. You know? They're getting something, and you're getting rid of that a potential judgment or you're getting rid of, you know, what the original value was for that debt,
• 3:08:28
  that's always a good thing.
• 3:08:30
  So agree with you. Yeah. They definitely have to have an affidavit.
• 3:08:34
  Unknown: Right. That is true. So that so regardless
• 3:08:38
  of the stack of papers that they present,
• 3:08:41
  it's not gonna be at the first initial hearing anyway.
• 3:08:44
  Because they're they're trusting that most people are not gonna show up, and they may not have anything to show like this latest
• 3:08:51
  example that I've shared.
• 3:08:53
  So
• 3:08:54
  but it's so important to know that no matter how thick that stack of papers in the bill of particulars or whatever they wanna call it, the proof of claim that they're submitting, you're looking for
• 3:09:06
  an affidavit from the original alleged the alleged original creditor.
• 3:09:11
  Now they might have
• 3:09:13
  an affidavit from within their organization,
• 3:09:16
  like LVNV Funding is the plaintiff in these two case recent cases of mine.
• 3:09:22
  They have an affidavit
• 3:09:24
  within their organization,
• 3:09:26
  their custodian of records. I don't care.
• 3:09:29
  It means nothing. It's hearsay because they don't have the original
• 3:09:33
  predator.
• 3:09:35
  So it's hearsay. It's invisible.
• 3:09:37
  So
• 3:09:38
  once you really understand
• 3:09:40
  that and you just start looking at what they've sent you,
• 3:09:44
  it's go, well, this doesn't matter. This doesn't matter. It's all hearsay.
• 3:09:48
  I mean, that
• 3:09:50
  Unknown: Nancy?
• 3:09:51
  Unknown: What?
• 3:09:53
  Unknown: Well, I I just wanna interject why we're here. Well, I think why we're here.
• 3:09:58
  And I'm I'm not trying to say that this is
• 3:10:02
  directly applicable to what you're doing right now,
• 3:10:05
  but just as an interjection into the way we should be thinking as a group
• 3:10:11
  is
• 3:10:12
  there's two words
• 3:10:15
  that control all the laws
• 3:10:17
  and all The US citizens.
• 3:10:21
  Those two words are born
• 3:10:23
  and reside.
• 3:10:26
  So if you're asked how you feel
• 3:10:29
  if I'm asked how I feel about it, well, I would tell them I feel that I wasn't born and I don't reside and I can back it up with my paperwork.
• 3:10:40
  And that the original creditor
• 3:10:42
  is my lord and savior
• 3:10:44
  and not you clowns.
• 3:10:48
  Unknown: Well, I I appreciate that, Samuel, but I'm not there. I mean, I understand that your perspective,
• 3:10:55
  and I don't see how that would
• 3:10:57
  Don't don't you think the judge would run over that, roll over that real quick? I don't see that how that's gonna serve me in that setting. I I just don't at this point. It's not gonna serve you, especially when you're in their setting and they've got jurisdiction.
• 3:11:10
  Unknown: But I'm just saying to ask my agent to my 90 year old mother-in-law,
• 3:11:15
  how do you feel, mom? She would hold her hand up and put her two fingers on her thumb and rub them together.
• 3:11:22
  That's how she felt.
• 3:11:25
  Unknown: As an as an ultimate goal,
• 3:11:28
  it used to be understood
• 3:11:30
  that they passed that fourteenth amendment
• 3:11:33
  to give black slaves
• 3:11:35
  civil rights,
• 3:11:37
  not constitutional
• 3:11:38
  protections,
• 3:11:39
  civil rights.
• 3:11:43
  Unknown: Well, freedom is is knowing, being able to discern
• 3:11:48
  what's in front of you
• 3:11:50
  and how to respond.
• 3:11:53
  Unknown: Yeah. And it it and we're so far from thinking that way because we've been brainwashed all our lives.
• 3:12:00
  Unknown: Well, you know, I'm I'm grateful
• 3:12:02
  for each piece of information that I get. What I I I've I'm discovering and practicing and playing with,
• 3:12:10
  experimenting
• 3:12:11
  in the laboratory of my life
• 3:12:14
  is this particular arena.
• 3:12:16
  And
• 3:12:18
  I think it's
• 3:12:19
  immeasurably
• 3:12:20
  well, I think it's very powerful to understand about the business exemption rule and about hearsay.
• 3:12:26
  It's very powerful, and that frees people. So that is another way in which we can free ourselves from the fraud that we have
• 3:12:34
  volunteered into, been co you know,
• 3:12:37
  Unknown: we've we've gotten ourselves involved in. So Nancy, I missed the business exemption rule. What is that?
• 3:12:45
  Unknown: It's about hearsay.
• 3:12:47
  So you would look under
• 3:12:49
  your state's
• 3:12:51
  court rules of evidence under hearsay,
• 3:12:54
  and
• 3:12:55
  there's
• 3:12:56
  it'll probably vary a little bit from state to state. But there's federal rules, but usually, these matters are are done in your general district court, so it's state.
• 3:13:06
  And you'll see where it when it starts talking about
• 3:13:11
  firsthand knowledge,
• 3:13:13
  direct knowledge,
• 3:13:15
  someone being able to testify who had from in around the time of the events
• 3:13:21
  and can testify
• 3:13:22
  to the validity of
• 3:13:25
  the accuracy of the information. So it's has to do with
• 3:13:31
  the original
• 3:13:33
  predator.
• 3:13:34
  What it's it's talking about hearsay.
• 3:13:37
  Right, Dave? So
• 3:13:39
  in in these contracts,
• 3:13:42
  these debt situations,
• 3:13:44
  the original creditor
• 3:13:45
  doesn't certify the accuracy
• 3:13:48
  and validity.
• 3:13:49
  They don't have someone a a custodian of records.
• 3:13:53
  They don't sell with their portfolios
• 3:13:55
  of of receivables when they sell them off. Discharge they're discharging these accounts.
• 3:14:01
  They don't have some they don't have certification,
• 3:14:04
  validation, someone who is
• 3:14:06
  under penalty of perjury,
• 3:14:08
  a document
• 3:14:10
  that goes along with
• 3:14:12
  that information,
• 3:14:13
  that validates the debt, the the the account. Got it. Thank you very much.
• 3:14:19
  You're welcome.
• 3:14:23
  So, Samuel, I just you know, this is for me, it's a way
• 3:14:27
  that I can tangibly
• 3:14:29
  not only
• 3:14:31
  free myself one account at a time that's in front of me. I think it's very powerful information.
• 3:14:41
  Unknown: No. I'm not saying that what you're doing isn't admirable and
• 3:14:45
  empowering. What I'm saying is as a group, ultimately, we need to think that in the futures,
• 3:14:51
  how do we conduct ourselves like, you know, maybe private contracts with private money for things that we need when we need to raise capital and and empower each other with our own contracts, our own paperwork,
• 3:15:06
  you know, because that's our power to to to do this.
• 3:15:11
  And it it if we don't exercise it, we just keep losing it more and more.
• 3:15:17
  Unknown: Well, learning learning the basics of contract and how to interact with that system. Unfortunately, until it's dead or goes away, it becomes trampled or
• 3:15:27
  we're gonna have to know how to interact with it.
• 3:15:31
  Unknown: Yeah. We just wanna be equitable with each other and unfortunately we enter into these contracts with the system
• 3:15:37
  which is not fair or equitable. It
• 3:15:40
  takes advantage of us and it milks us
• 3:15:43
  every step of the way that it can and it punishes us for things that are not punishable
• 3:15:50
  prior to the fourteenth amendment.
• 3:15:54
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 3:15:57
  Yep.
• 3:15:59
  Unknown: Agree. Or the loss of common law essentially. You know, you need a harm party or or property in order to have a claim, an action.
• 3:16:08
  And
• 3:16:09
  that's that's the kind of world I wanna live in. I you know?
• 3:16:14
  Unknown: I appreciate all y'all's input. This is Christian.
• 3:16:17
  I didn't mean to butt in, but
• 3:16:19
  I'm gonna go I'm gonna check and see when this letter has hit
• 3:16:24
  them.
• 3:16:25
  And you know what? What y'all have
• 3:16:27
  I've taken notes, and I'll
• 3:16:29
  I'll be back Monday.
• 3:16:32
  I don't wanna distract another, but y'all have really given me some some power.
• 3:16:40
  Unknown: Oh, good, Christian.
• 3:16:45
  Unknown: I I appreciate it, Larry and and Nancy,
• 3:16:50
  Dewey, her,
• 3:16:52
  everyone.
• 3:17:01
  Unknown: And Sherry.
• 3:17:03
  Glad we were of help, Christian.
• 3:17:06
  Unknown: What's that?
• 3:17:08
  Unknown: I said and Sherry,
• 3:17:10
  and then glad glad we were of help.
• 3:17:13
  Unknown: Oh oh, immensely.
• 3:17:15
  Immensely.
• 3:17:18
  And we need to pray that we empower ourselves
• 3:17:22
  with the Lord
• 3:17:24
  in these situations
• 3:17:26
  because I'll tell you,
• 3:17:28
  like y'all all say, how we're
• 3:17:32
  sold sold out from our birth. You know? And
• 3:17:36
  I I love y'all all. Be praying for y'all y'all's protection and y'all's wisdom would increase
• 3:17:45
  exceedingly,
• 3:17:46
  abundantly above that which you can't even ask or think.
• 3:17:50
  In Jesus' name.
• 3:17:54
  Unknown: Hey, Christian. Don't forget
• 3:17:56
  Unknown: don't forget your breathing exercises.
• 3:17:59
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. I did hold on to that tree like you told me to the other day
• 3:18:05
  and took off my boots out there in the in in town.
• 3:18:13
  Thank you for that too.
• 3:18:15
  Unknown: You had access to the chat, there's a lot of info in there also.
• 3:18:21
  If someone has your email address, I can text it over to them.
• 3:18:27
  Unknown: Like
• 3:18:29
  I say, I've man, I'm I trust all y'all, but I I'm so scared now.
• 3:18:36
  You know, I'm just worried about them getting, I asked Paul. I think he said they wouldn't be able to get my email after I changed my
• 3:18:44
  accounts and everything.
• 3:18:46
  And I'm just I get a warning on there. Don't give email out. And and, you know, that's the only thing I'm I'm really I'm really
• 3:18:56
  like a snake. I I am not stepping on that snake right now.
• 3:19:02
  Unknown: Well, how are you gonna get information
• 3:19:04
  if no one has your email?
• 3:19:08
  Unknown: Yeah. Ranch
• 3:19:10
  dot chitango dot com. He can get the information that's in the chat,
• 3:19:15
  Unknown: a lot of the good stuff.
• 3:19:17
  Unknown: Don't you think we have don't you think we have leaks of people trying to
• 3:19:23
  find out what we're doing and and find out and then pose as
• 3:19:29
  interlopers?
• 3:19:31
  Unknown: What? Like me for ten years or more?
• 3:19:34
  Unknown: No. Not like you. No. I'm just saying.
• 3:19:38
  I did you know, I'm and that's why I try to, thank everybody that I've been hearing.
• 3:19:45
  I I trust y'all. You know? And I and I've already changed my status with the secretary of state,
• 3:19:51
  but I I
• 3:19:53
  I'm just saying,
• 3:19:57
  the hackers, which y'all were talking about today, how how
• 3:20:01
  the hackers are
• 3:20:03
  Unknown: Well, I think they would be bored with us with what we talk about.
• 3:20:08
  Unknown: Yeah. But what do you think these data centers are all about? I mean, they're collecting date data all the time. That's what they do. That's their job.
• 3:20:17
  And And that's help kill us too. Right?
• 3:20:21
  Unknown: Thank thank you. Thank you. That's what that's what these phones, these doggone
• 3:20:26
  iPhones, and and that's what they're doing. They're gathering information so they can pattern them
• 3:20:32
  pattern. We we don't know the truth from the untruth.
• 3:20:38
  Unknown: Cut off the data, and they don't need their their data centers go
• 3:20:42
  bankrupt.
• 3:20:44
  Unknown: Well, remember, they're doing it for a job. We're doing it from our hearts.
• 3:20:52
  Unknown: Big deal. Doing it to kill the planet. I mean, all the
• 3:20:57
  waste
• 3:20:58
  and the energy
• 3:21:01
  to take it takes to,
• 3:21:03
  you know, manipulate one of those stupid things. And then the Chinese, they've already figured out how to do it through your own phones. I mean, it's
• 3:21:14
  Unknown: And they're poisoning us poisonous with the food too.
• 3:21:18
  Unknown: Well, and the shots and everything else. Yeah. The air. And the dogs. Yeah.
• 3:21:23
  Unknown: They already know they already know what we're doing.
• 3:21:27
  And,
• 3:21:28
  you know, don't don't be
• 3:21:30
  don't be afraid.
• 3:21:32
  What does Christ say how many times in the Bible? Don't be afraid.
• 3:21:36
  Unknown: Fear not. That's right. Fear not.
• 3:21:40
  Unknown: Is their biggest
• 3:21:41
  weapon.
• 3:21:43
  So release the secret weapon.
• 3:21:47
  Listen. They they already know what we're doing, and they can't stop us.
• 3:21:52
  Unknown: Okay? Last night last night, Paul found a health manual from 2011,
• 3:21:58
  and I posted it a couple of times on here.
• 3:22:04
  And I sent it to YouTube, Murr.
• 3:22:06
  And
• 3:22:07
  Unknown: Thank you. I think I got it out of there and put it in the numeral two
• 3:22:12
  radio ranch, doctorthankyou.com.
• 3:22:15
  Unknown: No. Okay. Hey, Christian.
• 3:22:18
  Unknown: Yes.
• 3:22:19
  Unknown: I wanna just take a minute to elaborate on this idea of
• 3:22:24
  the
• 3:22:25
  debt collector has to provide an affidavit like Nancy was talking about.
• 3:22:30
  So when a third party debt collector or their law firm files a collection lawsuit,
• 3:22:36
  they must state their claim in the complaints, but they are not legally required
• 3:22:41
  to attach an affidavit from the original bank right away.
• 3:22:46
  So most states,
• 3:22:48
  Texas,
• 3:22:49
  only require the collector to attach enough basic paperwork
• 3:22:53
  to give you notice of what they are suing over such as a recent
• 3:22:58
  account statement or a generic bill of sale.
• 3:23:02
  The collector will eventually need an affidavit or a witness to win a trial
• 3:23:08
  or a summary judgment.
• 3:23:10
  They usually supply a sworn statement, get this, from their own employee,
• 3:23:16
  and I've seen this myself,
• 3:23:19
  a debt buyer representative
• 3:23:21
  who swears they reviewed the purchased electronic
• 3:23:24
  files.
• 3:23:25
  You can object to their employee's affidavit by arguing
• 3:23:30
  it is hearsay.
• 3:23:31
  Since the employee never worked for the original bank, they cannot legally swear
• 3:23:36
  to how the bank kept its records. That's what Nancy's talking about.
• 3:23:42
  Unknown: Yep.
• 3:23:44
  Unknown: And that's what that's what I got on an affidavit. It was like they they they
• 3:23:50
  they put it they put it so light
• 3:23:53
  that they signed their signature,
• 3:23:55
  and it's not on none of the attorneys
• 3:23:58
  that's listed on and I got that same one that
• 3:24:03
  that Nancy had is at LVBN
• 3:24:08
  in Utah
• 3:24:10
  collector.
• 3:24:12
  Unknown: Yep. They're a debt buyer. Big time debt buyer.
• 3:24:16
  They file thousands of lawsuits across the country probably
• 3:24:20
  every every week.
• 3:24:22
  Unknown: Yeah. Yep.
• 3:24:25
  Unknown: Wow. But what they do is they have these I've received them in the lawsuits that I that I was involved in,
• 3:24:34
  and they just they're they're so generic.
• 3:24:37
  You know? It's like anybody could have wrote this. And so and, you know, like Roger always says, unless you object,
• 3:24:44
  then you agree.
• 3:24:45
  And so if you don't if if you see that affidavit
• 3:24:48
  and you don't file an objection
• 3:24:51
  into the docket, you know, into the court record,
• 3:24:55
  that you are
• 3:24:57
  disagreeing that this could be entered as evidence,
• 3:25:00
  you know, this affidavit because this is all hearsay. I mean, who is this person? An out of state witness?
• 3:25:06
  And we don't even know if they worked for the original creditor.
• 3:25:10
  And so you can object to that, and you must object to it.
• 3:25:14
  Unknown: Oh, that is good. That is good.
• 3:25:17
  And make sure that's that that I object
• 3:25:20
  on their for on the record. Yeah.
• 3:25:29
  That that'd be a that'd be a nasty
• 3:25:32
  Unknown: tricks because most people don't know, like I said, how to conduct themselves in court.
• 3:25:38
  And so they they're not gonna know to object to that. You know? And that's probably why most people don't even show up.
• 3:25:48
  Unknown: Yeah. That that that they cannot
• 3:25:51
  that they cannot
• 3:25:52
  confirm
• 3:25:54
  through affidavit that they were the original
• 3:25:58
  employee of the debtor?
• 3:26:04
  Unknown: Well, they they that affidavit is not gonna be an affidavit by
• 3:26:09
  an employee for the original creditor.
• 3:26:12
  Okay. The custo specifically,
• 3:26:15
  custodian of records
• 3:26:16
  would have to
• 3:26:18
  for the the custodian of records for the original creditor, let's just say Bank of America was suing you and some law firm
• 3:26:26
  or a a third party debt collector
• 3:26:29
  has this account information
• 3:26:31
  and they attach an affidavit to it, that affidavit would have to be by the original creditor,
• 3:26:38
  Bank of America, and their custodian of record
• 3:26:41
  signing under penalties of perjury
• 3:26:43
  that they
• 3:26:44
  they have access to your account and that you defaulted on it and this was the amount. They would have to have all of that on a one or two page affidavit
• 3:26:54
  with specific information
• 3:26:56
  and it then it would have to be notarized.
• 3:27:00
  That is what an affidavit
• 3:27:01
  Unknown: That's why your objection would be hearsay because it's
• 3:27:06
  and and you have to give a reason. So when you object, you have to get a reason and
• 3:27:12
  then the judge
• 3:27:13
  should comment one way or the other because you're giving him that chance to put his opinion
• 3:27:20
  on whether you're accurate or not. And that then if it it's against you is appealable.
• 3:27:26
  Unknown: Okay. Exactly.
• 3:27:29
  Unknown: And the judge can't say duly noted if you have an objection.
• 3:27:34
  He has to say either
• 3:27:35
  objection sustained
• 3:27:37
  or
• 3:27:38
  Unknown: whatever the other Okay. Of that is. Right. Well, the judge can reserve their their right to
• 3:27:46
  they could reserve their their ruling.
• 3:27:49
  They they could rule at a later time too. There's always three choices.
• 3:27:56
  Unknown: Not if you even don't courtroom
• 3:27:59
  kung fu guy.
• 3:28:02
  What's the three choices?
• 3:28:05
  Unknown: Well, they could sustain it. They could overrule it, or they could reserve their ruling.
• 3:28:11
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:28:12
  Unknown: And when the judge is ambiguous,
• 3:28:14
  you could say objection,
• 3:28:15
  point of clarification,
• 3:28:18
  Unknown: and get him to clarify. Right. I said I didn't say that he could reserve
• 3:28:23
  his you know, hold off on his judgment. I said he can't say duly noted
• 3:28:28
  because sometimes they say that.
• 3:28:33
  Unknown: Right. And you you could ask for clarification from the judge because if you don't get a ruling out of them,
• 3:28:40
  then it's not appealable. You gotta get that on the record.
• 3:28:43
  Okay.
• 3:28:45
  Unknown: So you ask the judge
• 3:28:48
  what what do you ask the judge to
• 3:28:52
  Unknown: Well, I mean, if for one thing, you should always have if if you're at a hearing, you should have witnesses with you taking very specific notes of what they hear.
• 3:29:02
  And, you know, because sometimes
• 3:29:05
  sometimes it might be too late or whatever or someone can't afford to get a or maybe they can't get a a court reporter scheduled.
• 3:29:14
  And if you if you have a court reporter, you gotta give the opposing counsel,
• 3:29:18
  you know,
• 3:29:19
  notice.
• 3:29:20
  That's what due process is all about. You gotta give them a significant amount of time
• 3:29:26
  that you're, you know, that you plan on having a court reporter there.
• 3:29:31
  And but you wanna clarify what the judge if he says duly noted or whatever. You wanna say, judge,
• 3:29:38
  are you saying that you're reserving your ruling for a latter time?
• 3:29:42
  Because I I I need that ruling, you know, on appeal,
• 3:29:47
  you know, in case I need to appeal this this case.
• 3:29:50
  And so you wanna get all of that on the record, you wanna get your if you don't have a court reporter, you wanna get your witnesses to to, you know, mark that down in their notes that they actually heard that.
• 3:30:00
  And Yeah. So things like that, little little tricks, they all try to play on people
• 3:30:06
  that are ignorant.
• 3:30:08
  Unknown: Yeah. This is a small town. So this is a small town. And like you say that I don't know if that was you, Larry, or somebody said they're in bed with the the, planet.
• 3:30:19
  So that just
• 3:30:21
  that's your mother.
• 3:30:23
  Unknown: That's Well, that was Dave. Dave said that, and it is true. What he's saying is just like what I said, they all know each other. They're they're doing
• 3:30:32
  they're all they're all doing business. This is business to them. You know? Nothing personal to you. It's just business. Right? But like the mafia says.
• 3:30:40
  And
• 3:30:41
  they're they're trying to extort
• 3:30:43
  money from you. You know? But they all know each other. And, of course, the judge is gonna rule
• 3:30:49
  in the favor in favor of
• 3:30:51
  of his of
• 3:30:53
  his or her constituents
• 3:30:55
  because they they they work with each other on a daily basis.
• 3:30:59
  You know? They know each other. They might even go out in.
• 3:31:03
  Unknown: Larry, there's a guy in New York. His name is Eric, and he's got a a website called courtroomwatch.com.
• 3:31:13
  Courtroomwatch.com.
• 3:31:16
  You contact him if you're going to court,
• 3:31:19
  and he tries to put together a team to go to your hearings so they can, you know, be witnesses for you.
• 3:31:27
  Unknown: You know what? Just perfect. That that's what needs to be done. Yep. Okay. Let let me tell you what happened here. We had we
• 3:31:35
  had
• 3:31:36
  court watchers here before
• 3:31:39
  at at different times,
• 3:31:41
  And that judge said he would say, everybody out.
• 3:31:45
  Get every all these people, Republic of Texas or something like that. Get them out of here.
• 3:31:51
  And he emptied the courtroom
• 3:31:54
  from all court watchers.
• 3:32:00
  Unknown: What's their big thing over what
• 3:32:03
  Unknown: what's their big thing over not having someone record
• 3:32:08
  what's going on so they can go and actually get their notes down and what have you. What's that big deal over that?
• 3:32:17
  That's silly. Off data tracks and everything.
• 3:32:21
  I know. But thing is is
• 3:32:24
  you can tell by data tracks and stuff if something's been dubbed over or whatever or changed
• 3:32:31
  nowadays.
• 3:32:32
  They have experts in that.
• 3:32:35
  I know some.
• 3:32:36
  And,
• 3:32:37
  so what's the big deal over not having a recording?
• 3:32:43
  Or or someone recording?
• 3:32:46
  Unknown: Well, a judge may not allow you to have
• 3:32:49
  a judge may not allow you to have
• 3:32:51
  to a a judge may not allow anyone to record in their courtroom.
• 3:32:56
  They say it's their courtroom. They set the rules. For their court reporter.
• 3:33:02
  Well, I mean, it would be your court reporter. Well, some some jurisdictions,
• 3:33:06
  they actually have a court reporter, and that's up to you to find out. So if they if you find out they they don't have a court reporter,
• 3:33:15
  then you have to hire your own. And I always recommend that. I mean, that's what saved me
• 3:33:21
  this this last time I had a deal with a collection lawsuit. That that believe me, it saved me.
• 3:33:27
  And, otherwise, the judge would have ran ran right over me.
• 3:33:32
  So, anyway,
• 3:33:34
  you it's up to you to hire one and it costs around a $100
• 3:33:38
  and then they charge so much money per page.
• 3:33:41
  So say you have a fifteen minute hearing
• 3:33:43
  and it and that equates to, I don't know, a dozen pages
• 3:33:48
  and they might charge like $5
• 3:33:50
  a page.
• 3:33:52
  And so you owe them you have to pay the initial fee to hire them to be there. It might be a $100.
• 3:33:59
  And then after after the hearing is over with, you you would request the transcript
• 3:34:05
  and then you would pay for how many pages that that transcript transcript has been equated to.
• 3:34:11
  And that protects you on appeal
• 3:34:14
  because, you know, all courts
• 3:34:17
  except for traffic courts and there's there's another one in there. All courts in America really are courts of record.
• 3:34:25
  And the way to preserve the oral
• 3:34:28
  record is to have a court reporter in there, but you're not allowed to just record it and you can't use that on appeal. Like, if you secretly had your phone recording the whole hearing or the trial
• 3:34:41
  and then you knew the the the opposing counsel
• 3:34:44
  was doing some wrong things and the judge was not ruling correctly,
• 3:34:48
  you couldn't you can't create a transcript out of your own phone.
• 3:34:52
  You're right. You have to have a certified court reporter in there
• 3:34:56
  that's, you know, that that's certified by the state that they that they are allowed to be in there recording,
• 3:35:04
  you know, via via their their notes that they type in
• 3:35:08
  Unknown: in, you know, in the courtroom. So these are a lot of things you gotta take into consideration. Well, I I just want to throw in my in my special court martial forty six years ago coming up in June.
• 3:35:22
  They
• 3:35:23
  they missed a lot of stuff. I have a transcript that things like an inch and a half or more thick
• 3:35:30
  and they were missing some things in there. And they like it. They
• 3:35:36
  Unknown: like to double space it to to run up your cost so.
• 3:35:40
  Unknown: It didn't cost me a dime.
• 3:35:43
  Unknown: Yeah. But if I'm If if the court had had their own court reporter
• 3:35:48
  because that's just the way they do things, I wouldn't trust that. I'd still have my own in there.
• 3:35:54
  Now the court may not give you permission.
• 3:35:56
  They may say,
• 3:35:58
  well, we have our own court reporter, so I'm not going to allow that. Well, then what you do at that point is you get at least two other people to go with you, give them some paper and a pen, and just tell them to the best they can
• 3:36:13
  to write down everything they hear,
• 3:36:17
  you know, and that that could serve as as a a rec a court record for appeal purposes.
• 3:36:24
  Unknown: To people that know shorthand.
• 3:36:27
  Unknown: On
• 3:36:28
  in in on appeal, you gotta pay about $4,000?
• 3:36:34
  Unknown: No. If you appeal a case, it's it might be, like, $200 or whatever.
• 3:36:39
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:36:40
  Stampers the judge could do anything he wants in his court, but they frown on him disturbing the public peace.
• 3:36:48
  But the bean counters are keeping track of all the judges and whether they're moneymakers or not.
• 3:36:54
  So if you tie them up
• 3:36:57
  and cost too much money,
• 3:36:59
  their tendency is to leave it go.
• 3:37:02
  And, of course,
• 3:37:04
  we should be using abatements in my opinion and not enter court.
• 3:37:09
  Unknown: That also goes
• 3:37:11
  with the prosecutors.
• 3:37:13
  Unknown: If they have your case on on the desk for very long, they wanna get rid of it.
• 3:37:22
  Unknown: God bless y'all.
• 3:37:24
  I'm gonna leave y'all alone, and I'm gonna see where I am right now. And then on Monday,
• 3:37:31
  come back with maybe some information more.
• 3:37:34
  I sure thank y'all all.
• 3:37:40
  Unknown: Bye bye. Christian, no matter how this goes down, you could feel empowered that they you're judgment proof. They they can get a judgment against you, but they can't collect on it. You got nothing to worry about. So you could actually have some fun and just play along if you want and try to challenge them. Maybe they'll go away. Maybe you want to submit a document that Paul's helping you write that, you know, will settle on this amount. And if they if they don't accept that, then just just let things go. You know? That's what that's what we got in that's what we got in now. I haven't got that's what I'm gonna check on today and see if it's been
• 3:38:15
  Unknown: delivered. It's supposed to have been delivered
• 3:38:18
  from Friday
• 3:38:21
  Friday or Thursday from Memorial Day,
• 3:38:25
  and they hadn't they hadn't received it. Two days ago, I checked, and they hadn't received that yet. And it was supposed to be I sent it proof of mailing with tracking,
• 3:38:37
  and
• 3:38:38
  and
• 3:38:39
  it still hadn't been received yet. Shows. But I not that's not today. That was I checked on that
• 3:38:46
  probably
• 3:38:49
  let's see. Today is what? Monday? No. Today is Friday? Saturday.
• 3:38:54
  So I did I did that
• 3:38:57
  I did that
• 3:38:59
  checked on that, I think, Wednesday, and it hadn't hadn't been delivered yet. So
• 3:39:06
  Unknown: Yeah. Pull up that form. I mean, you you'd be amazed to see that there's at least 25 items that are exempt.
• 3:39:13
  I mean, that's more than the state of Florida.
• 3:39:16
  There's only about 12 items
• 3:39:18
  that are exempt from garnishment.
• 3:39:21
  And the first one is wages. If your wages are exempt,
• 3:39:27
  If you take care of a dependent and you provide
• 3:39:30
  more than
• 3:39:31
  half of the expenses for that dependent,
• 3:39:34
  then your wages are exempt. And then the last one, number 12 is a line called other and you could fill that in and I've used tenancy by the entirety
• 3:39:45
  on that line.
• 3:39:47
  But I mean, there's just 12 lines there, 12 items of exemption,
• 3:39:52
  but your state has like 25 of them. I couldn't believe that, you know, you can exempt firearms,
• 3:39:58
  personal property like clothing, and different things like that. That's pretty amazing.
• 3:40:04
  Unknown: Yes.
• 3:40:08
  Unknown: Yeah. It's nice to not leave you
• 3:40:11
  bare in the on the sidewalk. It's that's big of them.
• 3:40:15
  Unknown: Yeah. Isn't that the truth?
• 3:40:20
  You did have
• 3:40:23
  Unknown: a exam Well, the thing is the the thing is, Samuel,
• 3:40:27
  this John Watts, it might have been him or another attorney that I was listening to years ago when I was really steeped in all this stuff.
• 3:40:35
  And and this attorney's made the statement that the only rights you have
• 3:40:40
  are the rights that you know you have.
• 3:40:42
  And so, you know, a lot of people, maybe they don't get that claim of exemption form
• 3:40:47
  from the debt collector after the judgment is given. Maybe it was lost in the mail or maybe they they intentionally did not send it to you
• 3:40:55
  thinking, well, he's not gonna he probably doesn't know about, you know,
• 3:41:00
  this particular form. After all, I got a default judgment on him. He didn't show up in court.
• 3:41:06
  And so, you know, there's all kinds of tricks
• 3:41:09
  that these debt collectors will will try on people.
• 3:41:12
  And and so if you don't know that this form exists, then you can't claim exemption on them. You know? So Hey,
• 3:41:25
  Unknown: Larry.
• 3:41:26
  Are you on your computer?
• 3:41:30
  Unknown: No. I'm standing in my driveway. I just got off work, and I'm Oh, okay. My phone with earbuds. I wonder what Michigan's exemptions are.
• 3:41:38
  Unknown: There there's a bill in the house right now. They're trying to pass, medical assisted suicide.
• 3:41:45
  The Democrats are it's getting some pushback, but they'll probably pass it.
• 3:41:51
  Unknown: Well, I think in Florida, I hear they
• 3:41:53
  couple of years ago, they used to try to collect on medical bills, And I think the the state legislature
• 3:42:00
  put an end to that. And
• 3:42:02
  and so I don't think they could do that anymore. And then there might be several other states that have followed that that that same pathway.
• 3:42:11
  Unknown: I've heard that. Yep.
• 3:42:18
  Unknown: And the main reason for that is because of the HEPA laws.
• 3:42:22
  These debt collectors would be getting sensitive
• 3:42:25
  information in these documents
• 3:42:27
  that they're not allowed to be privy to.
• 3:42:30
  And so I think the state of Florida cracked down on them saying, you know,
• 3:42:34
  you might wanna
• 3:42:36
  you know, move your business elsewhere like in terms of collecting on credit card debts or whatever but not medical debts because you're not allowed to have documentation
• 3:42:46
  that has private information in it.
• 3:42:48
  So
• 3:42:51
  Unknown: I have some stuff that's hanging out from
• 3:42:54
  eleven years ago is last time I ever talked to them.
• 3:42:58
  And,
• 3:42:59
  you know, it's gotten so old. They, you know, have sent letters saying, oh, we can't sue you now or whatever.
• 3:43:06
  And they keep on trying to contact me and it's like,
• 3:43:10
  if I don't know the number or I see them pop up, it's like, I don't even answer it.
• 3:43:17
  I find that that's the best peace of mind. Don't let them in your head.
• 3:43:24
  Unknown: That's a good one. That's a good one. They they got so many people. That's what I always thinking. If they finally can't prevail
• 3:43:31
  against me,
• 3:43:33
  then they send it to some other debt collector.
• 3:43:37
  What about that, Larry?
• 3:43:41
  Unknown: Are you Yeah. They can pass the hot potato.
• 3:43:44
  They could that's called passing the hot potato. Someone another debt collector can definitely buy,
• 3:43:49
  a debt buyer's,
• 3:43:51
  you know, debt.
• 3:43:52
  So
• 3:43:53
  that's definitely true.
• 3:43:55
  Unknown: Thing about buying it's over ten years old
• 3:43:58
  and
• 3:44:01
  yeah.
• 3:44:03
  Unknown: I don't know. Unless I have a stupid There might be a statute of limitations on that credit report.
• 3:44:10
  Unknown: I think that's seven years, and it's not on my credit report.
• 3:44:17
  Unknown: Like I say, I'm not worried about my I'm
• 3:44:22
  gonna check with you on Monday. God bless you all. Yep.
• 3:44:27
  Unknown: I gotta get off too. So
• 3:44:29
  have a good day, Christian. Larry, the
• 3:44:32
  Unknown: continuing wrong doctrine has to do with statute of limitations.
• 3:44:37
  And you might be interested in looking at that.
• 3:44:40
  Continuing wrong
• 3:44:42
  doctrine.
• 3:44:45
  Unknown: Oh, is that a website?
• 3:44:46
  Unknown: No. It's it's it's a Maxim, I think.
• 3:44:51
  Continuing
• 3:44:52
  Wrong
• 3:44:54
  Doctrine.
• 3:44:57
  Unknown: Yeah. I'll have to look into that.
• 3:45:00
  I know of I think Family Guardian has
• 3:45:04
  maxims of law on it and
• 3:45:07
  you you gotta kinda do a little search. They got so much information on there, but I'm pretty sure I found it on Family Guardian.
• 3:45:15
  And they got, like, all these maxims of law that are all bible based.
• 3:45:21
  They sometimes have one scripture or several scriptures to back it up, like each maxim of law. And I think I remember seeing, like, 50 to a 100 of them.
• 3:45:31
  It's pretty amazing.
• 3:45:32
  Unknown: So that might be in there. Well, I don't know. It is a doctrine
• 3:45:38
  of law.
• 3:45:43
  Unknown: Oh, just one last thing.
• 3:45:45
  This is Nancy. I
• 3:45:47
  I'll just read it's very short. I'll read this. This is from the bill of sale of the original creditor on
• 3:45:54
  one of the accounts and cases.
• 3:45:56
  It ends with this bill of sale is executed without recourse
• 3:46:01
  and without representation
• 3:46:02
  of any warranty of collectability
• 3:46:05
  or otherwise,
• 3:46:06
  comma, expressed or implied.
• 3:46:10
  Unknown: Did they send that to you, Nancy? Yeah.
• 3:46:13
  You gotta be kidding me. That is what that is forbidden.
• 3:46:19
  Unknown: Oh my gosh. That's like a the silver bullet right there. So smoking gun, I should say. Yeah. Well yeah. So that that's the, you know, that's but I think I've seen that in the other
• 3:46:31
  documentation.
• 3:46:32
  But, yeah, it says here,
• 3:46:34
  you're making no warranties about its collectability.
• 3:46:38
  Unknown: They must have said you that by mistake because that's what John Watts is always going after.
• 3:46:44
  They the debt collectors,
• 3:46:45
  especially
• 3:46:48
  that that big one out west,
• 3:46:50
  they they will never show that to him and he's always asked for it, you know.
• 3:46:55
  They won't show him they won't show him that particular page.
• 3:46:59
  So they have to show you the entire bill of sale with all page numbers
• 3:47:03
  and they they often leave out that important part.
• 3:47:09
  Unknown: Well and that's and and probably
• 3:47:12
  well, this is the one that they they didn't show any proof in the initial hearing and the one that has not submitted the bill of particulars. And this is LVNV Funding
• 3:47:23
  LLC.
• 3:47:24
  And
• 3:47:25
  and also, they have an affidavit here, but it says very clearly,
• 3:47:30
  plaintiff's affidavit of indebtedness and ownership of account.
• 3:47:34
  And it says, I am an authorized representative for the current owner,
• 3:47:38
  LVNV Funding LLC.
• 3:47:40
  Unknown: So, you know Yeah. That's hearsay.
• 3:47:43
  Unknown: It's hearsay.
• 3:47:46
  Unknown: But, you know, it's impressive. That could be objected to. Definitely. It's
• 3:47:50
  Unknown: intimidating if you don't know what you're looking at. If, you know so
• 3:47:55
  Unknown: Right. And most people don't know that these things and that's how the debt collectors
• 3:48:01
  continue to win
• 3:48:04
  even if they don't get a default judgment and they take it, you know, to to they take the case to a court,
• 3:48:11
  you know, and someone does try to show up.
• 3:48:15
  They they did a little studying and the debt collector still wins because they don't they don't know how to object.
• 3:48:22
  And they don't know, like, really what's going on here.
• 3:48:27
  Unknown: Yeah. But it just makes me smile now.
• 3:48:34
  Unknown: I'm trying to take notes on what you just said
• 3:48:38
  about that
• 3:48:40
  disclaimer.
• 3:48:42
  Unknown: Well,
• 3:48:44
  Christian, do you wanna take my email down?
• 3:48:47
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:48:49
  Unknown: K. It's n as in Nancy, m
• 3:48:52
  as in Mary,
• 3:48:53
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• 3:48:56
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• 3:49:03
  Unknown: m as in man, m as in man?
• 3:49:07
  Unknown: Yeah. Nancy m Nancy Mary o r r three three. So nmorr33@protonmail.com.
• 3:49:24
  Unknown: K.
• 3:49:25
  Would you do that one more time? Sure. N
• 3:49:29
  Unknown: as in Nancy,
• 3:49:30
  m as in Mary,
• 3:49:32
  o r r
• 3:49:34
  three three.
• 3:49:37
  So nmorr33@protonmail.com.
• 3:49:43
  Unknown: Proton?
• 3:49:44
  Unknown: Yeah. P r o t o n
• 3:49:46
  m a I l. Proton
• 3:49:49
  mail dot com.
• 3:49:52
  Unknown: Proton a l?
• 3:49:54
  Unknown: No. Mail. Proton p r I t yeah. Mail. M a I l.
• 3:50:00
  Unknown: Dot com. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
• 3:50:06
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:50:08
  Thank you.
• 3:50:09
  I mean, they they this is really
• 3:50:13
  you know, I have found it very empowering. Doesn't mean it's gonna be
• 3:50:18
  absolutely
• 3:50:19
  criminals will try to get away with anything, but three for three right now. So
• 3:50:25
  Unknown: Because you got the same you got the same thing that I got, the bill of sale, and you got you got an affidavit that barely written.
• 3:50:35
  And so that's something I wanna
• 3:50:38
  that's that's the things I was kinda scared of right there, but it's hearsay like you said. So
• 3:50:44
  that's what I want.
• 3:50:46
  Unknown: Right. Well, read the read the go to the top of your of that affidavit that they've submitted and read it. It says that they're they work for the plaintiff, which is not the original creditor, the alleged
• 3:50:59
  original creditor.
• 3:51:01
  So then you know, face it, this is not the alleged this is not testimony.
• 3:51:07
  This is from the original
• 3:51:09
  custodian of records from the alleged
• 3:51:12
  original creditor, so it's hearsay.
• 3:51:16
  So it's inadmissible.
• 3:51:17
  It's inadmissible.
• 3:51:19
  It's get thrown out.
• 3:51:21
  And I didn't even need to say that in my
• 3:51:24
  grounds of defense.
• 3:51:27
  Have to go back and look at what my grounds of defense were
• 3:51:31
  for the previous case. But
• 3:51:34
  yeah.
• 3:51:35
  But anyway, have a good weekend.
• 3:51:37
  Unknown: Thank you so much. You're welcome.
• 3:51:43
  Unknown: Samuel.
• 3:51:45
  Hey, Samuel.
• 3:51:50
  Unknown: Yeah, Joan.
• 3:51:52
  Unknown: Hi.
• 3:51:53
  I wanted to ask you about two things. Wanted to ask you
• 3:51:57
  when you said, well I wanted to ask you about something about Oceans Alive,
• 3:52:01
  you know that supplement, but before that I'll ask you what you said something about,
• 3:52:07
  I don't know maybe forty five minutes ago, when you said you are not born,
• 3:52:12
  Did you mean you are not born in The United States?
• 3:52:18
  Unknown: No. The judge challenged me on because the fourteenth amendment says you have to be born
• 3:52:24
  and reside
• 3:52:26
  to be a fourteenth amendment citizen. Right? That's where I'm getting it from?
• 3:52:31
  Yeah. If a judge were to challenge me, well, you look boring to me. Well,
• 3:52:37
  there's over 60 some million
• 3:52:40
  murders
• 3:52:41
  that
• 3:52:42
  show that that word
• 3:52:44
  is not something for a Christian.
• 3:52:48
  So I'm rejecting it.
• 3:52:52
  I'm not born. I I've got a soul. I existed before births
• 3:52:57
  and that's would be my
• 3:53:00
  my stance.
• 3:53:02
  And I sure as hell don't reside. I have dominion.
• 3:53:05
  Again, sticking with the Bible.
• 3:53:08
  Okay.
• 3:53:11
  Unknown: And then what I wanted to ask you about Oceans Alive,
• 3:53:14
  do do you have one of the supplements that tastes like
• 3:53:18
  help soup?
• 3:53:21
  Unknown: You know? Well, yeah. Yeah. It tastes very oceany like kelp green
• 3:53:25
  kinda. Yeah. I would say so. It's phytoplankton.
• 3:53:29
  Unknown: Right? So Yeah. It says pure phytoplankton.
• 3:53:34
  Unknown: Four.
• 3:53:36
  Yeah. And it and it's no they don't call it oceans alive anymore. They call it recharge.
• 3:53:42
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 3:53:43
  I remember you saying that. It's just that I've got this bottle from before
• 3:53:47
  and but I had not.
• 3:53:50
  What I wanted to ask you was,
• 3:53:53
  do do you take it in juice or water or just straight in the mouth like
• 3:53:58
  help to?
• 3:54:00
  Unknown: I hold it under my tongue straight.
• 3:54:04
  Unknown: It's wrong. For
• 3:54:06
  Unknown: a few for a few minutes,
• 3:54:08
  Unknown: probably. Okay. Okay.
• 3:54:10
  Unknown: I hold a lot of things in my mouth because I figure it's also
• 3:54:14
  if if something's full of minerals and vitamins,
• 3:54:17
  you know, like, say,
• 3:54:19
  Wallach's
• 3:54:21
  or Dave's powder which where we get Wallach's
• 3:54:24
  mineral liquid from,
• 3:54:27
  I like holding that in my mouth too because your your teas are very porous and they can absorb that mineral, I figure. So like I mean, it's bitter as well. If so, it's,
• 3:54:37
  you know
• 3:54:38
  Uh-huh. But I still I still like to do that.
• 3:54:41
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:54:43
  Yeah. That's how I did it.
• 3:54:45
  And I was but it was so, you know, like kelp soup. I was thinking of adding pineapple juice, but I I wanted to ask you just to see how you do it.
• 3:54:56
  Unknown: What is that? The name what is the name of that?
• 3:55:00
  Unknown: Recharge.
• 3:55:01
  Recharge.
• 3:55:03
  It's like
• 3:55:04
  ocean
• 3:55:06
  plankton.
• 3:55:08
  It's like ocean vest it's like tastes like kelp.
• 3:55:12
  Unknown: Yeah. Two it's it's two different types of plankton
• 3:55:16
  that are supposed to be the most nutritious that they
• 3:55:20
  they cycle down through a computer process and a water filtration process and breed those two, and then they make this concentrate out of it. And
• 3:55:30
  according to the blurbs on it, there's there's substances in here that man hasn't yet even identified.
• 3:55:40
  I like things like that.
• 3:55:42
  Unknown: Is that from doctor Wallach?
• 3:55:44
  Unknown: No. No. It's I think the the name of the company is Oceans Alive, but the product is called Recharge.
• 3:55:52
  Unknown: And where do you get that?
• 3:55:55
  Unknown: You get it directly from them
• 3:55:58
  or Amazon,
• 3:56:00
  places like that,
• 3:56:02
  big
• 3:56:03
  retailer of health products.
• 3:56:06
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:56:12
  Yeah. That's that's wonderful. I really
• 3:56:16
  appreciate that.
• 3:56:18
  I told y'all I was leaving, but y'all keep me y'all keep me enthused.
• 3:56:27
  Unknown: Okay. Thank you, Samuel.
• 3:56:30
  You're welcome.
• 3:56:32
  Unknown: Thank you all so much.
• 3:56:44
  Unknown: Hey, Gregory.
• 3:56:50
  Unknown: Oh, just remember folks, freedoms,
• 3:56:53
  the ability to say no,
• 3:56:55
  and having the capacity
• 3:56:57
  to make it stick.
• 3:57:00
  And being born
• 3:57:02
  is voluntary.
• 3:57:04
  High yield.
• 3:57:07
  Unknown: Did somebody call Gregory?
• 3:57:11
  Unknown: By golly, yes.
• 3:57:13
  Gregory, I hear you hear you're having some courses
• 3:57:17
  in tree hugging, and I just like to sign up for one of them.
• 3:57:23
  Unknown: Oh, it's
• 3:57:24
  really easy easy, jab, and easy to do.
• 3:57:28
  Take off your shoes, walk up to a tree, and
• 3:57:32
  talk to it gently.
• 3:57:35
  Gotta feel the vibration coming off it.
• 3:57:39
  Unknown: Do you have to buy a dinner first?
• 3:57:44
  Unknown: Well, you could piss on it. That helps. You know, a petri,
• 3:57:48
  that gives it nourishment.
• 3:57:52
  Unknown: Just giving you all hip I'm just giving you all hip the old time.
• 3:58:00
  Unknown: Worries. So
• 3:58:02
  Unknown: Sam in Houston.
• 3:58:04
  Hey. Hello, gentlemen. How you doing?
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  Unknown: Hi, mister Sam.
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  Unknown: Doing okay.
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  And where is that that misfit miss Murr? What she's gonna have on our show tomorrow?
• 3:58:24
  Unknown: He escaped a few minutes ago.
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  Unknown: Oh, boy. My timing is off.
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  Well, she probably doesn't know anyway.
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  She likes to keep a person guessing.
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  Hey, Brent. My my I
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  your credits just went up with me.
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  Unknown: Why is that?
• 3:59:02
  Unknown: I hear you got you got court martialed, and any guy who's getting court have gotten court martialed.
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  It's always a friend of mine.
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  Unknown: Well, it depends on why.
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