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Dark History Of Mars! (Feat. Brian Cory Dobbs) · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Baby, I'm a gamesteratu. It takes a little tangle.
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  Speaker 5: This ain't my first time at the Rodeos.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I got a
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  very special guest, very excited to get this man on.
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  I had met him at the Cosmic Summit. I actually
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  thought he might have been somebody else because I saw
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  him talking to Mike and Dave and there we were
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  all we had a mutual friend in a way, and
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  I thought that might have been him, and it wasn't.
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  And I guess I was meant to happen because he
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  eventually gave me his card. We talked a little bit,
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  and I wanted to get him on the show because
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  I think he's got some amazing stuff. But before we
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  get to him, I will introduce the other rejects on
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  the show. And we got Lisa back from the field.
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  Speaker 4: We missed you.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you very much for finally coming back on the
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  show The Occult Reject made Scientist.
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  Speaker 4: What is up?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me about good feedback,
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  and I told the rejects, I'm really looking forward to
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  this topic. I thank you and I kind of talk
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  to that here and there different things to look at that.
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  So anyway, the only thing I need to plug is
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  Speaker 7: Org and check all right.
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  Speaker 4: Awesome, thank you very much. And Headless Giant, what is
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  going on? Sir?
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  Speaker 3: Hi?
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  Speaker 8: You know what, I'm the Headless Giant. You can watch
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  emails to me at Headless Giant podcast dot gmail dot com.
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  Speaker 4: Awesome, thank you very much. And we got Tim Constantine
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  joining us tonight. What is going on?
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  Speaker 6: Sir?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, what's going on? Everybody?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm Tim Constantine. My show is sixth Censory Podcast.
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  You can find me on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, Instagram. Hello
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  to all the other rejects. Happy to be here, and Nick,
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  thanks for having me on again.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, man, of course, I always love what you
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  bring to the show.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate it. And last but not least, before Julie
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  gets here, we got Ethan Indigo. What is going on, sir.
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  Speaker 9: I'm honored to be here with you guys. Great to communicate.
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  This is gonna be a really fun subject, Brian. I'm
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  excited to hear your presentation. I write on the esoteric
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  and even the basic exoteric, and a couple articles on
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  Occult Research Institute dot org and more to come.
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  Speaker 6: So honored, honored to be here. This is gonna be fun.
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  Hell yeah, thank you very much. And then finally, three
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  minutes into the show, finally a getting to Brian. Please
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  let everybody know what your deal is and where they
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  can find your stuff, and please let everybody know about
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  this movie.
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  Speaker 4: We'll talk to about any what you want to call it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, Nick.
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  Speaker 3: Well look, man, let me first just start off by saying,
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  you know, thanks for having me on. It's it's such
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  a pleasure to be here with this group tonight, and
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  you know, to meet some new people. I appreciate you
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  guys taking the time to do this. I'm I'm quite honored. Yeah,
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  it was kind of funny. We were just walking in
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  the hallways of this hotel and I think Nick, you
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  were like, hey, you Chris or something, and I turned around.
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  I'm like, he must be talking to me anybody else,
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  you know, Brian. But then it turns out we both
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  knew this guy, Ricardo. So I'm like, okay, well there's
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  a connection there. And you guys, yeah, you know, I mean, God, Ricardo,
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  Mike and Dave. Know, everybody knows Riccardo. So while not
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  everyone is familiar with what the Cosmic Summit is, maybe
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  this group is. You know, pretty much anyone who's going there,
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  there's a high probability they're working on something. They've got
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  a shot something going on. So you know, it's these
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  types of connections happen. And you know, I've made a
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  few different other connections, and I'm sure you made a
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  bunch when when you were there. That's that's what we do.
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  We connect and we tell stories and we see where
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  there's some overlap between you know our areas of interest,
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  and I don't know how much overlap there is with
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  what you guys normally focused on in Mars. There might
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  be a little we can get into it. Nikki didn't.
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  I don't know if you've got a chance to finish it.
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  But it gets a little bit like it does, get heavier, man,
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  it gets into the paranormal.
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  Speaker 6: Oh you know what, probably the last minutes I didn't catch. Yeah,
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  I can't catch that was probably the most relevant watch it.
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  So I can want to show over it for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Not a problem.
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  Speaker 4: Well, nobody else saw it of me, so.
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  Speaker 3: It wouldn't matter if everybody else, Well, that's fine. I
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  let me just you know, I sort of just offer
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  some context here. Yes, I'm I'm a documentary filmmaker and
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  I've got a film coming out about Mars. Now that
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  might not seem so sexy. Trust me, I get it.
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  If you're like most other people. Heck I was like
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  most other people. As of a couple of years ago.
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  I thought, well, what's what's there to know about Mars?
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  It's read what else?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know?
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  Speaker 3: It looks like Arizona. Yeah, so you know, I have
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  someone very close to me. Her name is Ginger. I
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  think she's watching right now. High Ginger, and you know
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  she Nick. You know Ginger, you mentioned her at the
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  Coasak Snod credit goes to her because she gave me
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  a book written by Graham Hancock. You guys probably know
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  Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods. This was new to
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  me as of a couple of years ago. I had
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  note idea, what the hell this book was. I started
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  reading it and like, what is this fiction?
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  Speaker 2: What the hell is this?
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  Speaker 3: And then I realized it wasn't. I'm like, hey, this
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  Graham Hancock guy. Really, man, he's got something going on here.
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  I got to figure out what else he's written, and
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  I went through his archive of books. Lo and behold,
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  he's written a book which not many people know about.
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  But he's actually written a book about Mars, and this
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  came out in the late nineties. In that book, I
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  learned a whole lot about what NASA has discovered about
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  that planet since nineteen seventy six when we really started
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  probes down to the surface. So this, you know, long
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  story short, this was a rabbit hole that I went
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  down and I ended up on Mars. I learned so
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  much that I was compelled to do something about it
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  because I felt like the rest of the world needs
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  to know about this information. And I sort of had
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  this internal debate, Dude, do a documentary. I'm a filmmaker.
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  I haven't ever done anything this long before. I've always
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  done short films. But it just spoke to me. You
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  guys know what that feels like. Well, there's material that
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  just speaks to you. Gotta do something about it. You
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  gotta get in the game. You can't be a passive
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  you know, spectator. You got to you gotta do something.
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  So I did something, and I came out on the
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  other end with a distribution deal and the film is
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  coming out on Amazon in August. So and here we
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  are today talking about this, and you know, before we
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  get into the heavy details, you know, it'd be nice
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  to take an interesting and sorry, it'll be nice just
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  to take a quick pull here in the room to
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  see what everybody knows about Mars. So I know where
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  to start from, and I know where to fill in
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  the blanks, at.
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  Speaker 4: Least what I saw with you. First. We'll see how
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  your mike's going.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I see now, now, ye does it sound better?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Mars for me? You know scientifically elementary all the
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  way into college, was that it was a planet that
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  used to have life and doesn't anymore. It potentially was
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  either that it moved away too far away from the
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  optimal I guess orbit to sustain life, or something catastrophic
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  happened that it no longer was a was it reducing
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  hemosphere to where oxygen exists, And then a majority of
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  the red comes from the iron oxide from the volcanic
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  activity that it once had or does have, or what
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  have you. And then that it had dry eyes at
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  the polar caps. That's pretty much majority of what I
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  know scientifically esoterically, everything from a dome uh Man of
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  red clay, and that we may have come from Mars,
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  we came down from a you know kind of language,
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  and that we were made from red clay. So that
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  could potentially mean that we came from Mars and then
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  descended into Earth. So things like that.
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  Speaker 3: Nice, thank you God, you hit some nice broad strokes there,
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  And you know, I think that's pretty much on the money.
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  That's a whole heck of a lot more than most people.
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  Speaker 4: In the documentary.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's a fantastic answer. You know, I'd love
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  to hear from things Lisa loved to hear from everybody
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  else there go ahead this well.
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  Speaker 8: In May two of nineteen eighty four, the CIA conductive
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  research with Project Stargate where a remote viewer number one,
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  Joe McGonagall, was tasked to view what Mars was like
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  one million BC and they gave him coordinates that were
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  in an area where he saw massive obelisks and pyramids
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  and a group of people that were like huddled and
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  somehow they could see him and knew what he was doing,
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  but they weren't too bothered by it, and they kind
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  of told him that their planet was going to die
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  and that they had sent some people away to a
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  different planet and they were hoping that they would get
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  back some So that was the viewing of Mars at
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  one million BC conductive build. Who knows a video that's true,
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  but that's what I.
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  Speaker 7: Know about mines.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe mcmonagall has been making the rounds lately. He's
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  one of the more popular guests on practically everyone's podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow, Yeah, I mean, is.
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  Speaker 3: He's still with us? He's getting up there in age,
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  He's still with us. But yes, there's been a lot
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  of talk about this. This particular aspect of Mars, Tim
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  and Ethan. What about you guys, who's going first?
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  Speaker 4: I guess I'll go ye.
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  Speaker 5: So first of all, I just want to say I
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  hope that this gets weird today. You mentioned that it
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  might paranormal all that good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 5: Let's let's go there. Let's get weird, man, because this
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  is already weird for me. This has already been a
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  synchronicity for me because I forgot about this show. It's
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  it's my faults, my bad. I just missed the email
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  and I saw the invite an hour before, so I
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  decided to hop on. I'm supposed to be talking to
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  somebody about this subject on Saturday, so I was going
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  to look into Mars stuff tonight anyways, So this has
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  just been kind of weird for me. It's cool what
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  I know about Mars. Well, Sidonia comes to mind. Then
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  you have the possible Bible connections with Edom meaning Red.
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  There are two wars mentioned one in Judges one in
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  the Book of Isaiah, where there seems to be a
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  celestial something celestial happening beyond just Israelites fighting Edomites. Angels
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  were admonishing a group of people who maybe weren't people
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  a group of individuals from space who were supposed to
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  come down here and help Israelites. It's in there, you
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  just gotta read with your glasses on.
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  Speaker 3: I guess so.
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  Speaker 5: I'm always I've always been curious about those possible Mars
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  connections in the Bible, and then of course, of course
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  they're remote viewing CIA documents. I saw, uh, I'll put off.
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  I think it was the Rogan interview, the recent one
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  where he was talking about remote viewing Mars, and as
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  he's talking about it, I'm thinking back on the time
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  when I actually read through those documents and hearing him
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  talk about it was bringing shedding new light on that.
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  For me, I thought that he was talking about in
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  the documents because they've been redacted and maybe spun I
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  thought that he was talking about aliens up there in
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  those I don't know, some sort of a cryogenic sleep
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  chamber or something. Now I realized in the interview, I realized, oh,
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  he's talking about something that looks like us.
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  Speaker 7: Big, like they were humans.
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  Speaker 5: They were much taller, yes, all the humans.
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  Speaker 7: So it seemed like have you ever seen the movie
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  John Carter, I'm familiar with that.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, well that that sort of John Carter monster that
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  was much bigger because they had lower gravity on Mars.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know that could have make s Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So that's I'll cap it off with that.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then that's so I'm just curious, Tim, I'd be
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  curious to know who you're talking to on Saturday about Mars.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, a guy named Doug Elwell. Okay, well, he wrote
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  a book called about Planet X. So he's new to
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  me too.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, okay, all right, thank you, Ethan Well.
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  Speaker 9: I love chipping into all these wonderful interpretations. I call
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  I call it a cult intelligence instead of artificial intelligence.
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  We all bring some really interesting ideas. One thing that's
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  interesting is the long you know, as long as humanity
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  has been here, the symbol symbological influence of Mars. Even
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  at the turn of the century. Uh, there was a
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  book written by a Russian author, a fiction book that
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  was really one of the first modern science fiction books
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  that and I think it's it is called rather Red Planet,
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  and it is uh, you know, excuse me, red star,
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  and and it is in the inspiration for the red
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  star symbolism in Russia certainly and beyond. And there the
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  guy goes to a utopian planet where you know, communism
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  has manifested anyway influence interesting influence. And as someone with
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  a layman's comprehension of the nuclear experiment and an interest
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  in it, I find the idea that you mentioned in
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  or the preview to your film mentions the idea of
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  the xenon. Forgive me for forgetting the element number, but
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  I find that a really compelling proof of some sort
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  of phenomenon that's undeniable. So those two, just the long
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  term influence on humanities thinking and that very hard science
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  of that being indicative of a powerful event strikes me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Thank you for that. Yeah, you guys are
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  touching on some interesting points here, Julia. I OK, here
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  with the question before I get into more about what
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  I've worked on here with Mars, I was just taking
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  a poll of the room to see what everybody else
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  what their starting point was with Mars.
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  Speaker 2: With Mars in particular. Yeah, Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 11: Well, you know, I when I first started my whole
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  conspiracy theory journey, I was a big Gaya person, and
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  I watched a lot of interviews of people saying that
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  there was some interesting stuff going on on Mars and
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  that in astrology and stuff. Obviously, I think that it
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  does have a spiritual influence over people. I mean, I'm
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  curious about all of that stuff. I'm not gonna like
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  pooh pooh anybody's beliefs or anything. But there's supposed to
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  be like some kind of different race of people that
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  lives there or something like that. I know a lot
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  of people have talked about that before. Yeah, I don't know,
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  it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So this is good you guys. You guys have
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  have heard a bunch of the cool stuff. And for
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  those that have joined us who are watching this who
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  have no idea what we're talking about, you know, I'll
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  do my best to try to make sense of all
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  of this. So yeah, I think if we go back
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  to what Lisa was saying, that the broad strokes, I
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  guess from the mainstream scientific perspective, and thus the title
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  of the film, what we see today is the planet
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  was not always as it appears today.
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  Speaker 9: It was.
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  Speaker 3: A blue planet. It was a blue planet before Earth,
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  and then something happened to it. Now, when we say
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  blue planet, there's that excellent BBC series, you know, Blue Planet,
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  you guys probably seen. But aside from that, what does
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  the word that the phrase blue planet mean what do
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  you think that means? What does that conjure up?
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  Speaker 4: Water?
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  Speaker 5: Water in life? Going back to something Lisa said, because
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  you know, how do we determine if there's life or
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  not out there in the universe. It seems to be
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  if there's water or not. And judging by the scarred
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  topography of Mars, there seems to have been water there.
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  So I think it's safe to say that there was
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  life there. Maybe still is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. It's that simple blue water life.
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  Speaker 8: So and I have a quick question, Yeah, there might
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  be an issue when it comes to there's no differences
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  in like the soil texture. I mean, like just looking
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  at it from Earth, it doesn't seem like there's massive
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  changes in the I guess geological features. You know, it
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  all seems sort of one shaded read.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of does. So at a glance, Mars
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  really just appears to be quite an uninteresting place. Everything's
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  just homogeneous. I can't help but use the word boring.
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  I mean, how many Rover photographs have you guys seen?
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  Just a bunch of rocks, just a bunch of red rocks. Thanks, Okay,
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  I've seen this one hundred times before. What's the big deal? Well,
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  the big deal reveals itself when you start looking at
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  the details. Okay, And when I started looking at the
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  details as published by people years ahead of when I
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  even came across this stuff. See, the thing about the
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  documentary is that it's not really breaking any new ground.
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  All the information that was presented was already published either
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  in research papers or in videos, in books. So I
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  just took a you know, let's see a general look
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  at the entire landscape, and I said, there's a story here.
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  And I have yet to see anybody piece it all together.
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  There's so many different people working on Mars, but they're
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  all siloed and they don't necessarily like each other. And
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  the thing about Mars in general, the way I like
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  to frame it is Mars for me is the redheaded
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  stepchild of the disclosure topic. Okay, UFOs getting a lot
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  of attention these days, and believe me, that's really exciting.
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  There's a lot of reporting on UFOs, there's a lot
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  of interviews and such, But what are we lacking.
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  Speaker 4: With UFOs actual physical evidence data? Oh there.
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  Speaker 3: Evidence. Mars has virtually no reporting on it, but it's
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  got a shit ton of data evidence. And let's talk
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  about this word evidence, because a lot of people confuse
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  this word with the word proof. I when you hear
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  me use the word evidence, I'm using it in the
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  strictest legal sense. Okay. Evidence means suggestive of, proof means
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  conclusive of Okay. So you'll find no shortage of people
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  online saying how certain they are of something it is proof,
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  it is one hundred percent blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: That is not the language I choose to use, because
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  that can get you in a lot of trouble. And
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  with regard to communicating what has been discovered on Mars
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  by NASA, we have to really be careful with the
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  language that we use, and we have to ensure that
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  we are communicating two people without getting their defenses up.
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  Because when you start talking about all this crazy stuff
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  like you guys are touching on, people are like, okay,
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  this starts sounding a little wacky. These guys are nuts,
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  Like I'm out, So Nick, you know, having been somewhat
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  exposed to some of the deeper end stuff here, Ethan
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  sounds like you were too. You know, some of the
• 24:31
  stuff in the first half of the film might seem
• 24:34
  kind of mundane, you know, so we're talking about when
• 24:39
  we're talking about water and you know, any potential evidence
• 24:43
  for even just my chrobial life. Okay, but that's where
• 24:48
  a lot of people are Okay. So I structured the
• 24:51
  film as, look, if you don't know anything, that's okay.
• 24:54
  I didn't know anything either, and so I know what
• 24:57
  my journey was like, and if I were, if you
• 25:00
  start with the heavy stuff, it's just too much of
• 25:02
  a shock for people. So I like to get a
• 25:05
  sense of what people know and and get people thinking,
• 25:08
  Like we were just talking about if Mars was a
• 25:10
  blue planet, then what does that really mean, water life,
• 25:16
  what kind of life? Well, if the planet was blue
• 25:19
  for millions or billions of years, that means it was habitable.
• 25:26
  Like look at ancient Earth. Ancient Earth was not habitable.
• 25:32
  It was a hellscape, you know, volcanic activity, not not
• 25:37
  a habitable atmosphere. You know, Earth wasn't like Earth, as
• 25:42
  someone put it to me recently. Earth became Earth like
• 25:47
  much later, but Mars was Earth like a long time ago.
• 25:51
  So you know, there's a there's a gentleman in the
• 25:53
  film who you know, presents the question if Mars was
• 25:57
  like Earth, and if it had water, and if that
• 26:02
  those conditions gave rise to primitive simple life, and if
• 26:06
  that simple life evolved into an intelligent life, who then
• 26:09
  built tools? You know, So there's a plausible way that
• 26:16
  intelligent life, given enough time as we've seen here on Earth,
• 26:21
  could have developed stuff. Now, without really seeing any of
• 26:26
  the pictures or seeing any of the data, it's really
• 26:31
  hard for people to buy into this. And while I
• 26:42
  do criticize NASA for well, they have done a tremendous
• 26:51
  job discovering a lot of stuff. They've given us insights
• 26:55
  into our solar system, our galaxy, in the universe by
• 26:59
  these fancies tools, the engineers that they got at JPL
• 27:02
  making these telescopes and landers and warbiting systems. I mean,
• 27:07
  it's just incredible work that that agency has done. They
• 27:10
  have discovered a lot of things. Now where NASA doesn't
• 27:14
  do such a good job is talking about what they've discovered.
• 27:21
  So I'm sitting around here learning all this stuff about
• 27:23
  Mars which're going to get into and I'm thinking, why
• 27:26
  isn't everybody else talking about this? This is nuts? And
• 27:32
  that's the thing. Nothing made it into this film without
• 27:36
  me vetting it first, whether it be the original NASA
• 27:42
  source images on their website, published data, everything. I didn't
• 27:47
  just take people's word for it. I can't put my
• 27:50
  personal and professional reputation on the line for life on
• 27:53
  Mars just based on hearsay. I had to go back
• 27:57
  and track all this stuff down. And that's that's the
• 28:01
  respect that I pay to the audience, Like, look, I'm
• 28:03
  not feeding you stuff that's just made up. This this stuff,
• 28:07
  you could go look this up yourself. You know. People
• 28:10
  say that, so what relative to UFOs microbial life may
• 28:18
  not be that interesting, but in certain circles it's highly
• 28:26
  it's a highly controversial issue, the thought of even just
• 28:32
  simple microbes on a planetary body other than our own.
• 28:37
  Some people will think you're absolutely nuts for even considering
• 28:40
  the idea. And these people are well established, highly credential
• 28:43
  PhDs working in academia or even these trusted institutions like
• 28:49
  like NASA. So and that's the thing about our society
• 28:54
  is that we we do trust, for better or for worse,
• 28:57
  we do trust in our institution since we NASA has
• 29:01
  a pretty high approval rating. People love the work that
• 29:04
  NASA does. Although it's just regarding transparency and the wake.
• 29:09
  In light of this topic of disclosure, they just don't
• 29:14
  have a really good track record on So okay, let's
• 29:18
  talk about the ice caps, Lisa. You brought out the
• 29:20
  ice caps, believe it or not. While there is a
• 29:26
  layer of frozen CO two in the ice caps, they
• 29:30
  are primarily h two oh. It's kind of like ninety
• 29:37
  two oh up to like a mile or maybe two
• 29:39
  miles thick. It's it's incredible. And these things you can
• 29:42
  see with a ground based telescope. You don't even need
• 29:47
  anything that powerful.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Just the fact that there's water on Mars. It's in
• 29:55
  frozen form, but there's water on Mars, not just in
• 30:00
  the polar ice caps, but practically everywhere on the planet.
• 30:07
  Just a few centimeters down, you dig a little bit
• 30:12
  and you'll come across ice. So after meeting a few
• 30:19
  different people along this journey of making this film, I
• 30:22
  met one individual in particular. His name is Professor Richard Hoover. Now,
• 30:29
  if you haven't heard of him, that's okay, many people haven't.
• 30:32
  Professor Richard Hoover was the lead astrobiologist at NASA's Marshall
• 30:41
  Spaceflight Center from nineteen sixty six to twenty twelve, and
• 30:49
  he divulged a lot of stuff to me, But one
• 30:53
  of the interesting things that he told me was that
• 30:56
  there's certain species of microbes that lived directly in ice
• 31:01
  and who have a natural anti freeze that melts the
• 31:04
  ice around them, so they create their own little tiny
• 31:07
  ocean and they can just absorb nutrients. So right there,
• 31:13
  there is a mechanism for microbial life to exist just
• 31:17
  on within the ice of Mars. This is just this
• 31:22
  is a possibilit We haven't even talked about testing yet.
• 31:24
  This is just the possibility. So and as you guys know,
• 31:28
  here's a question. Where do we know microbes exist.
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: In space everywhere.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: And basically everywhere. Yeah, in the most extreme environments, including space,
• 31:51
  they have adapted to survive. You can freeze them for
• 31:54
  millions of years and then thaw them out and they'll
• 31:57
  still live. They live in the hydrothermal vents high up
• 32:00
  in the atmosphere. They've even found microbes living directly in
• 32:05
  nuclear waste.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: So my question is.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Which scientist wants to go to bat for the idea
• 32:16
  that it is impossible for microbes who live on the
• 32:21
  surface of Mars, which does have an atmosphere it's not
• 32:25
  that strong, not that thick like ours is. But certainly
• 32:28
  the conditions on the surface of Mars are not as
• 32:30
  harsh as the harshest conditions on Earth in which we
• 32:33
  find microbes. So this premise is just such a highly
• 32:40
  contested thing. I'm getting this stuff out of the way first,
• 32:42
  just because you know, for those who have no idea
• 32:44
  about Mars, this is where the start of the story is.
• 32:48
  And well, you might ask yourself, have we tested the
• 32:56
  soil of Mars for microbes? Let's let's show a poll here.
• 33:03
  Raise your hand if you think that NASA has tested
• 33:06
  the soil for microbes. Okay, well, see, this is this
• 33:14
  is where I this is where I felt. NASA back
• 33:17
  in nineteen seventy six, NASA tested the soil for microbes.
• 33:24
  That's nearly a half century ago. Okay, here's another question.
• 33:29
  How many you guys have ever heard of the Viking Mission? Okay,
• 33:36
  you guys know what it was all about, Maybe not
• 33:39
  really much. I mean it was it was a half
• 33:42
  century ago, right, so it was before some of us
• 33:44
  were even born. Neywe everybody here, So the Viking Mission.
• 33:53
  We want to launch this mission to Mars to see
• 33:57
  what the hell is down there, because we really didn't know.
• 34:00
  You know, you got to think all we had was
• 34:03
  just pictures from Earth, black and white pictures. So the
• 34:07
  Viking mission sent two probes to Mars. Each probe had
• 34:16
  an orbiter that circled the planet and the lander that
• 34:21
  went down to two orbiters and two landers. Now, can
• 34:25
  you imagine back in nineteen seventy six getting something to
• 34:28
  land on Mars without crashing like stuff will crash today. Now,
• 34:34
  JPL's gotten really damn good at engineering this stuff to
• 34:38
  making sure that doesn't happen. But like you know, India
• 34:41
  sent something recently and they to the Moon and it crashed.
• 34:44
  So back in nineteen seventy six, this is a feat
• 34:49
  of engineering unlike anything else that had ever been done. Now,
• 34:54
  the two landers that landed on Mars, all they did land,
• 35:00
  They couldn't move around. Okay. These two landers were equipped
• 35:05
  with three different life detection experiments. Okay, there is one
• 35:15
  of them that is most always is usually referred to
• 35:20
  it because it is the most consequential. I have to
• 35:29
  get into the weeds a little bit here because it's
• 35:32
  really technical. But at the end of this you'll understand
• 35:36
  why this one particular life detection experiment. I'll just tell
• 35:42
  you how it works, really really easy. You take a
• 35:45
  soup a soup, you take a scoop of soil, you
• 35:50
  feed it some nutrients, and you see if any gas
• 35:54
  comes out of it. And what it's testing for is
• 35:58
  essentially just my crobe metabolism, respiration, or just the ingestion
• 36:03
  of food. And you know, of you eat food, you
• 36:06
  produce gas.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: That's it. Now.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: This test was developed by a gentleman by the name
• 36:13
  of doctor gil Levin who designed this thing completely independent
• 36:19
  of NASA because he was working as a sanitary engineer
• 36:22
  needed to make sure that the water he was testing
• 36:24
  didn't have pathogens in it. He got wind back in
• 36:27
  the early seventies that NASA is going to Mars, and
• 36:29
  he's like, hey, you guys looking for Mars. Are you
• 36:33
  guys looking for life on Mars. NASA administrator at a
• 36:36
  cocktail party said yeah, in fact, we are.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: We're going to go.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: We're going to we want to send something there to
• 36:41
  look for life on Mars. And so doctor Gilivin he's like,
• 36:44
  guess what, I got just the thing for you. My
• 36:47
  little gizmo tests the soil directly for micros and here's
• 36:53
  how it works. And he told him how it works.
• 36:55
  This thing, this test was called, it's got a funky name,
• 37:02
  the labeled Release experiment, and the labeled Release experiment was
• 37:08
  tested over four thousand times on Earth and never produced
• 37:13
  a false positive nor false negative. I don't know how
• 37:17
  you guys add that up, but in my book, that's
• 37:20
  a perfect test. It was sensitive enough to test to
• 37:25
  discover just ten micro organisms within a cubic foot of
• 37:30
  soil or something like that. Highly sensitive. So guess what.
• 37:35
  They send it to Mars again on two landers to
• 37:38
  go down. Now, who wants to guess what? The results
• 37:46
  came back at both landing sites. This thing tests positive.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: Wouldn't this confirm the idea that there would be fossilized
• 38:01
  microbes in the asteroids that hit up near the North Pole?
• 38:05
  I know that was a big story, but they were
• 38:07
  kind of crapping all over it. Don't these two confirm
• 38:10
  one another.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: We'll get to that because that is part of the story.
• 38:15
  Get to that next. Now, why hasn't NASA for the
• 38:20
  past fifty years now, why haven't they been telling the
• 38:24
  public that they found we'll just say evidence evidence for
• 38:30
  microbial activity on Mars? Well, Unfortunately, on the Viking mission
• 38:38
  that they sent to Mars on these landers, they included
• 38:42
  another test. And this other test, all it was supposed
• 38:48
  to do was test the soil for organic matter. Okay,
• 38:54
  now that test came back negative. So NASA was scratching
• 38:57
  their heads. How can you have life in the soil
• 39:00
  without organic matter in the soil. They didn't know, so
• 39:06
  they essentially called it and they said, ah, the tests
• 39:09
  are inconclusive, We're not sure, and then later revised that
• 39:13
  to absolutely no evidence. All right, But here's the thing.
• 39:22
  Decades later, we started sending rovers everybody knows the Curiosity Rover.
• 39:28
  The latest one was Perseverance. Well, guess what fifteen years ago,
• 39:31
  maybe ten years ago, the Curiosity Rover found the organic
• 39:37
  matter that they were trying to look for in nineteen
• 39:39
  seventy six. Turns out that test that they sent in
• 39:42
  nineteen seventy six that did not find the organic matter
• 39:45
  wasn't sensitive enough. And what makes it even worse is
• 39:53
  that they knew it. They sent this organics test to
• 39:58
  the soil to Antarctica to test the soil of an Arctica,
• 40:03
  and it didn't find organic matter in the soil of
• 40:05
  Van Artica, and This was before they sent it to Mars,
• 40:08
  so they kind of knew it was a faulty test,
• 40:10
  but they sent it anyway, and they let that be
• 40:14
  the determining factor on whether or not there was life
• 40:17
  on Mars, and that shaped the entire narrative from nineteen
• 40:21
  six to seventy six until now. And doctor Gilivin, the
• 40:25
  man who designed the labeled release experiment, who arguably discovered
• 40:29
  life on Mars, was marginalized from the community, shunned by
• 40:34
  his peers. People are trying to pick fights with him
• 40:38
  at conferences, telling him really nasty things, and he died
• 40:42
  right before I made the movie without ever having his
• 40:45
  research vindicated. So this is a tragic tale. And I'm
• 40:50
  hoping to write this wrong here because the question is why,
• 40:56
  in the wake of finding this organic matter, after they
• 40:58
  sent the Curiosity Rover the perfect better Design test, did
• 41:02
  they not revisit those results from nineteen seventy six. They
• 41:06
  just kind of let that go. So what's even more
• 41:13
  interesting is that this is not the only evidence for
• 41:19
  microbial life on Mars. Nick, how much time do we
• 41:23
  have because I don't want to go into everything.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: It's up to you.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to bore people this kind
• 41:30
  of boring stuff here.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: All right, this is good, Now, this is good.
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: This should bring up the idea that maybe there's a
• 41:37
  dormancy type activities going on with these microes.
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: Micros go into dormancy on Earth. So it could have
• 41:45
  to do with the because I.
• 41:46
  Speaker 8: Mean, they're talking about organic matters, if that's the one
• 41:49
  determining factor.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: When it's not on Earth, right, yes, yes, that's a
• 41:53
  very good point. Let's revisit the Curiosity we're over here.
• 42:00
  I think it was twenty fifteen. I think those ten
• 42:01
  years ago, twenty fifteen, the Curiosity Rover, when it discovered
• 42:07
  that organic matter that had until that point been in
• 42:12
  question whether or not it was there. It also discovered
• 42:16
  a very particular, odd organic substance. It's odd simply because
• 42:21
  most people haven't heard of it. Believe me, I didn't
• 42:24
  either the Curiosity Rover. See Nick, some of this wasn't
• 42:28
  in the film. I learned this after making the film,
• 42:31
  and thus I've continued the work on my YouTube channel.
• 42:34
  We can get to that later. The Curiosity Rover discovered
• 42:38
  the organic matter, and it also discovered a very particular
• 42:41
  organic substance known as die methyl sulfide. Okay, no one's
• 42:50
  heard of dimethyl sulfide.
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: I've heard of dug methyl saltboxide.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Isn't it? Isn't it?
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: Isn't it?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: What I mean there were bacteria prior to the Great
• 43:04
  oxidation events that were metabolizer treating sulfide on dial disulfide,
• 43:11
  and that they were using Jobson and retinal to process
• 43:15
  the Sun, and therefore planet was purple and not blue.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: And so.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Was that similar to the same bacteria from Jobson based you.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Know, I'm not I'm not sure that's that's out of
• 43:29
  outside of my experts.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, but here's.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: What I can tell you. You guys know the James
• 43:36
  Webb telescope, right, Okay, it's the fancy telescope massa launched
• 43:41
  a few years ago that's able to image galaxies hundreds
• 43:45
  of millions of light years away, you know, back to
• 43:48
  the beginning of time, they say, And it's finding stuff
• 43:50
  so far away, perfect crystal clear imagery. Sometimes there's been
• 43:56
  some news articles that have been published within the past
• 43:59
  six months saying how researchers using the James Web telescope
• 44:05
  have found exoplanets, meaning planets orbiting stars millions of light
• 44:11
  years away with what appeared to be habitable atmospheres and
• 44:16
  signs of life. James Web telescope. You could just google
• 44:21
  it right now. James Web telescopes finds exoplanets with signs
• 44:23
  of life. Now, what is the James Web telescope looking
• 44:29
  for to make that claim that it has found signs
• 44:35
  of life?
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: Microbes?
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Dimethyl sulfide. That's where that claim, that's how that claim
• 44:46
  is being based. It's the dime. It's the signature, a
• 44:51
  spectroscopic signature of dimethyl sulfide that they are finding in
• 44:55
  these exoplanets, which get scientists on Earth really excited because
• 44:59
  that is a very strong biosignature. Why is it a
• 45:03
  very strong biosignature? If you go to NASA's website today
• 45:08
  right now, on their website, even NASA admits there's only
• 45:14
  one way to make dimethyl sulfide, which is through active
• 45:19
  microbial activity. You need microbes. Microbes make dimethyl sulfide. That's
• 45:27
  the only process that makes dimethylsulfide. Now, sure you might
• 45:32
  get some scientists and lab coats in a laboratory cooking
• 45:36
  stuff up, but that doesn't count. Okay, The only natural
• 45:42
  process that makes dimethyl sulfa and it's on Mars. So
• 45:46
  I think it's exciting that we're finding these biosignatures out
• 45:49
  in deep space, but we're saying we're finding the same
• 45:54
  biosignature right next door. Now, how come we're not making
• 45:58
  a bigger deal about that curiosity? You're over found this?
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the question here has less to do
• 46:04
  with is their life on Mars or anywhere else up there?
• 46:09
  But why is it not being talked about? And more so,
• 46:13
  why hasn't it been talked about? Like I mean, I
• 46:16
  remember Art Bell used to talk about this all the
• 46:18
  time on a weekly basis. Sometimes in the nineties. They
• 46:22
  were having discussions about the relative to what we're talking
• 46:25
  about today, about the findings of the day. And then
• 46:28
  when that shows when he passed, it's like this narrative
• 46:32
  or people, it just stopped.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: So why weren't they talking about it?
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: Then?
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Why aren't they talking about it now?
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Well, it takes an awful lot of words to explain
• 46:44
  all that. I mean, we're sitting here ten minutes later.
• 46:46
  I just had to get all that out. And that's
• 46:47
  the condensed version this discovery of microbes on Mars from
• 46:55
  nineteen seventy six was more or less seen as a
• 47:00
  public embarrassment for NASA because they got the public excited
• 47:03
  about going to NASA, about going to Mars and finding life.
• 47:07
  They say, look, we're gonna go look for life, and
• 47:10
  then it came back inconclusive, and so they didn't want
• 47:16
  here's the sad part. It's a lot of sad but
• 47:18
  guess what. Okay, so the tests come back in conclusive
• 47:22
  according to NASA in nineteen seventy six, you might think,
• 47:25
  let's just send another one with better instruments five ten
• 47:28
  years later. Now the question is have they done that? Yeah, no,
• 47:41
  that's right. They happened, but they've made the public think
• 47:45
  that they have. They're sending robots, but nothing that they
• 47:51
  have sent since nineteen seventy six has been equipped with
• 47:56
  a direct life detection experience. They're only looking at geology now.
• 48:03
  There's no biology tests that they're sending. So what they're
• 48:07
  looking for now are signs of ancient life, and that
• 48:13
  basically means we're looking at the rocks to see kind
• 48:17
  of how they evolved over the past few million years.
• 48:20
  But they're not actually directly looking for life. It wouldn't
• 48:24
  cost hardly anything to send something up there. They're just
• 48:28
  avoiding the question because they don't want another public embarrassment,
• 48:33
  or it's really opening up a whole can of worms
• 48:36
  because the textbooks for the past fifty years say there's
• 48:39
  no life on Mars, so they don't want to look silly. Now,
• 48:42
  this is a bit of speculation on my part, but
• 48:44
  I'm sitting here trying to think what else could it be?
• 48:48
  Now we'll skip over the rest. There's actually okay, here's
• 48:51
  one other cool thing you guys may not have heard,
• 48:53
  and it kind of blew my mind, and I'm thinking,
• 48:55
  why haven't we followed up on this scientist, doctor Carol
• 49:04
  Stoker through the use of spectroscopy. Do you guys know
• 49:09
  what spectroscopy is? Lisa, you're checking your you're nodding. What
• 49:14
  can you explain spectrosophy?
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: You're looking at the rectant refractance of a certain molecule,
• 49:21
  protein whatever that emits certain light at certain animators, and
• 49:26
  therefore you can kind of gauge its size or makeup
• 49:29
  or anything like that.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, headless, giinta ce none to two?
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I was.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: I was gonna say.
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: Spectroscopy can be used anytime you're looking up at an asteroid.
• 49:39
  You could tell the makeup of the minerals inside that
• 49:42
  asteroid by how it burns through the atmosphere or colors it.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Takes right pectroscopy, right, Okay, Now this is this is
• 49:50
  a solid tool that very serious scientists used to try
• 49:56
  to figure out what the substance is made out of. Okay,
• 50:00
  they use They published papers all the time. Here's what
• 50:03
  we found using spectroscopy. It is a credible tool. So
• 50:08
  NASA scientist, doctor Carol Stoker, who still works at NASA today,
• 50:13
  through the use of spectroscopy, well, guess what she found
• 50:16
  on Mars. She found chlorophyll. Why hasn't anyone made a
• 50:29
  bigger deal about that? Now? Is this proof? I'll just
• 50:34
  say it's evidence. But this is just where the story starts, folks,
• 50:41
  the boring MicroB stuff. So, but you have the biologists
• 50:47
  over here in this camp. Then you have independent researchers here,
• 50:52
  you have academics over here, and even Richard Hoover who
• 50:58
  worked for NASA, Goodness, he had a whole lot of
• 51:01
  interesting things to say. They're not talking to each other,
• 51:05
  and they think by publishing a paper the world's going
• 51:09
  to change tomorrow. But it doesn't. They don't really make
• 51:12
  good public relations experts. They're too busy doing science, too
• 51:17
  busy publishing the work. So I felt, look, I'm just
• 51:21
  a guy who knows storytelling. I felt like I could
• 51:24
  help elevate this material. And that's what I'm here doing
• 51:26
  with you guys today. I think you guys are great audience.
• 51:29
  You peaks so patient with me explaining all this stuff,
• 51:33
  but it's it's kind of complicated. So we've got the
• 51:37
  evidence from my krobial life. Nikki, look like you, we're
• 51:39
  gonna jump in and say something. Okay, we've got the
• 51:43
  evidence from my krobial life. Some of you might remember,
• 51:46
  let's fast forward a little bit to nineteen ninety six,
• 51:50
  when Bill Clinton was president. Headless giant. This might be
• 51:54
  what you were talking about before. But well, in nineteen
• 51:58
  eighty four, a team of NASA scientists went down to Antarctica,
• 52:07
  and will they do this all the time. They collect
• 52:10
  meteorites that fall to Earth, and Antarctica is a great
• 52:15
  place to look for because it's just nothing but white,
• 52:18
  and you're looking for a black rock. It sticks out
• 52:20
  like a sore thumb. And long story short, they found
• 52:24
  an interesting meteorite and they brought it back and did
• 52:27
  some analysis, and it wasn't really until ten years later
• 52:29
  where they finally published what they found. And what they
• 52:33
  found was a Martian meteorite that contained what appeared to
• 52:39
  be a little tiny piece of bacteria in it. And
• 52:43
  this made so much This was such a big story
• 52:48
  that it went all the way up to the White
• 52:49
  House and Bill Clinton actually had a press conference on
• 52:53
  the White House lawn in nineteen ninety six about this
• 52:56
  rock having evidence for fossilized microbial life. Now, if you
• 53:03
  look at that image today, it looks like a little
• 53:07
  tiny worm, and sure it could be. It couldn't be.
• 53:09
  There's some other reasons why it could be. And it's
• 53:13
  a really famous image. And I'll still see articles in
• 53:15
  my mainstream news feeds about scientists talking about this one
• 53:20
  particular rock, and it took the world by storm, but
• 53:24
  it in and of itself is highly controversial. And I'm
• 53:28
  sitting down there at the Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama,
• 53:33
  interviewing Professor Richard Hoover, who was NASA's lead astrobiologist at
• 53:38
  Marshall Space Flight Center. Guy's in his eighties now, and
• 53:43
  he tells me a little story about how when they
• 53:45
  discovered this particular media right that he was shocked that
• 53:51
  everyone is making such a big deal about it because
• 53:54
  it was not the first meteorite to have been discovered
• 53:58
  to contain micro fossils in it. He's like, this is crazy.
• 54:03
  Everybody knows there's micro fossils and metia rights. I already
• 54:06
  knew that. He's turns out, long story short, I did
• 54:12
  some homework on this, and they've been publishing on micro
• 54:15
  fossils and metea writes since nineteen sixty six. And I've
• 54:22
  here we could start a little show and tell Nick
• 54:23
  if you'd like, here's an image. Let me just okay,
• 54:33
  So I said, Professor Hoover, you're telling me that we've
• 54:36
  known about microfossils since nineteen sixty six. He's like, yes,
• 54:40
  in fact, I've published on a number of them myself.
• 54:44
  And I said, well, how come I never heard about this?
• 54:47
  He says, I don't know. NASA just didn't want to
• 54:49
  talk about it. I said, well, if there only was
• 54:52
  a picture, because the picture from that most famous media
• 54:57
  righte that went to Bill Clinton, this one called the
• 54:59
  Allen Hills media right, Okay, I said, if there only
• 55:03
  was a picture and I'm sitting there at Longhorn Steakhouse
• 55:07
  at lunch with them. I said, if there only was
• 55:10
  the picture goes huh. He whips out his tablet and
• 55:16
  shows me something, and I'm going to show you what
• 55:19
  he showed me. Let me present here. Sure screen, yes,
• 55:27
  sure screen? Here we go, screen two? Is it? Yes
• 55:34
  with me? Yeah, no problem, Here we go. Okay, guys,
• 55:39
  you tell me what does that look like to you?
• 55:41
  Can you guys see that?
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Gothics?
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Where are these a picture of the same same thing?
• 55:54
  Just once like zoomed in?
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, well there's a there's okay, what I'll tell you
• 56:02
  what specifically these things are, Juliet. These are actually two
• 56:05
  different samples, but yes, one is zoomed in.
• 56:08
  Speaker 8: Further, it looks like they are flagelli in that one
• 56:15
  on the right, and then some other sort of organelles
• 56:18
  on the one on the left.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: They look like gills or vacuums or vents.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Hey, let me ask you a simple question. Does this
• 56:25
  look like a rock or does this look like life?
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: It looks like it looks like a parasite. Yeah, almost eggs. Yeah,
• 56:38
  That's what I'm talking about.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, what you're seeing here are are are fossilized. These
• 56:47
  are These were not living when these were discovered. But
• 56:50
  what you're seeing here are known as diatoms. Has anyone
• 56:56
  heard of a diatom? Okay, see a coupleple nodding, lis,
• 57:01
  So what is a diatom?
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: It is a unicellular organism that is probably one of
• 57:08
  the most abundant organisms that has existed throughout the history
• 57:13
  of the Earth.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Believe it or not, diatoms produce about half of the
• 57:21
  oxygen that we breathe here on Earth. O. They're found
• 57:24
  in the sea. These things are used for due to
• 57:29
  their excellent filtration qualities. You can grind these things up
• 57:32
  and you can use them. You guys ever have a
• 57:34
  pool or know someone who has a pool, Sometimes you
• 57:37
  hear that they have these kind of filtration systems called
• 57:39
  de filtering diatomaceous earth. That's ground up diatoms.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: We'll use that to kill insects as well. Tide samaceous earth.
• 57:48
  You can sprinkle around your garden and they'll cut up
• 57:50
  the legs and insides of the insects.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's just cuting.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Can take it.
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: You can take it as an herbal supplement as well.
• 58:00
  It's sort of parasites in your.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Get interesting, so they've got some use. But diatoms are
• 58:06
  quite common. And here what we see on the left
• 58:09
  here is two complete diatoms each other because.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Because they're getting nasty.
• 58:19
  Speaker 11: That's how they that's how they make new diatoones, is
• 58:23
  they This is the this is the mating ritual.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: And that's that's how they do it.
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: If you got ejected from Mars's atmosphere, you would find
• 58:31
  the closest person next to you and hug them as
• 58:34
  hard as.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: You could as well, Yes, I believe. I believe what
• 58:39
  just happened here was that they reproduced and that they
• 58:42
  were simply just frozen in time this way. And what
• 58:47
  we see here on the right is a fragment just
• 58:49
  zoomed and even further, I mean, these things look like ribs.
• 58:53
  But I said, I looked at this image, and I'm like,
• 58:56
  how come the world hadn't seen this image? This is
• 58:59
  clearly to the naked eye, to the untrained eye, rather
• 59:05
  much more easily discernible as being life instead of the
• 59:12
  most famous meteorite, Alan Hill's being talked about by Bill Clinton,
• 59:16
  which is a magnificent discovery in its own right. But
• 59:21
  you don't need a degree to look at this and
• 59:23
  be like, you know what, that's life. Now again, this
• 59:27
  is fossilized. Okay, so the main critique. And by the way,
• 59:31
  the meteorite that these were in is known as the
• 59:39
  Orgell meteorite. It's a French word because it fell in
• 59:43
  this town of Orgel in France in eighteen sixty four.
• 59:46
  All right, this is a known media right, but the
• 59:48
  common criticism is, well, this is just terrestrial contamination. These
• 59:54
  are not extraterrestrial microbes. These are just little critters that
• 1:00:00
  into the rock after the rock fell down to Earth. Well,
• 1:00:05
  there's a problem. These are fossils. Fossils don't hop Number one.
• 1:00:13
  Number two, there's no nitrogen content in these things. Now,
• 1:00:20
  what's the big deal about that? Every living thing has
• 1:00:23
  nitrogen in it. Nitrogen depletes from an organism, but it
• 1:00:30
  takes a really long time, thousands or millions of years.
• 1:00:33
  So these things have been dead for a very long time.
• 1:00:36
  These things did not just hop into the rock and
• 1:00:39
  to the inside of a rock. I mean, my god,
• 1:00:40
  how absurd. There's an astronomer who is kind of famous,
• 1:00:46
  Phil Plate, the bad astronomer. He was talking about this,
• 1:00:49
  criticizing this. For that reason, I'm like phil Plate, you
• 1:00:52
  got to know the difference between a living organism and
• 1:00:54
  a fossil. So it's surprising to me something like this
• 1:01:00
  isn't getting more attention. And this particular mediaite that fell
• 1:01:03
  in France in eighteen sixty four, isotopic data highly suggests
• 1:01:09
  that this was a Martian mediaite. Okay, so there's our
• 1:01:17
  first bit of evidence, and there's more, there are more photos.
• 1:01:24
  That's just the best example that I've got to share
• 1:01:28
  with people. Now when you have the lead again, the
• 1:01:34
  lead the guy running the astrobiology department at one of
• 1:01:38
  NASA's facilities, saying he's discovered on multiple occasions multiple micro
• 1:01:45
  organisms from extraterrestrial meteaites. Why are we not listening to him.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: He retired in twenty twelve because he said the NASA
• 1:01:57
  that he started working for in nineteen sixty six was
• 1:01:59
  not the same NASA that he was working for in
• 1:02:02
  twenty twelve. And unfortunately, this research got to be a
• 1:02:07
  thorn in the side of NASA who didn't really want
• 1:02:10
  to embrace it. They couldn't refute it, but they really
• 1:02:13
  didn't want to talk about it. The question is why
• 1:02:17
  we can only speculate, but all of this research basically
• 1:02:20
  led to his retirement, and I do a deep dive
• 1:02:23
  with him and he tells the whole story about the
• 1:02:24
  back and forth, what the events leading up to his
• 1:02:26
  retirement in these discoveries, and how they just didn't want
• 1:02:29
  him to talk about it. And so I was able
• 1:02:33
  to capture his story on my YouTube channel for those
• 1:02:35
  who care. I mean, it's a really long interview, but
• 1:02:38
  this guy is brilliant. You listen to him talk and
• 1:02:41
  it's like, this guy knows exactly what he's talking about.
• 1:02:43
  This guy, Richard Hoover, has been studying diatoms for decades.
• 1:02:48
  He's an expert on diatoms. He's an expert on scanning
• 1:02:53
  electron microscopy, he's an expert on biology. The guy knows
• 1:02:58
  what he's talking about. So I had a great question there, Yeah,
• 1:03:02
  go ahead.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 8: About the nature of these diatoms. Are they a separate
• 1:03:07
  species from any of the other known diatoms on Earth.
• 1:03:10
  I know there's a lot of variety in diatoms themselves
• 1:03:13
  because they have that you know, carapace that comes in
• 1:03:16
  all sorts of shapes and sizes, But is this separate
• 1:03:19
  from all the species on Earth.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: That's the I think that should be one of the questions.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Right, Yes, you're absolutely right, and thank you for bringing
• 1:03:26
  that up. Because diatoms do come in all shapes and sizes.
• 1:03:31
  They just don't look like this, but some of them
• 1:03:34
  look like this. Okay, And you know, Nick, George Howard
• 1:03:44
  is familiar with diatoms and meteorites, and we've talked about
• 1:03:47
  this at length. Nick. You guys know George how the
• 1:03:51
  Cosmic Summit organizer, quite often a lot of what diatoms
• 1:03:57
  actually look like. It's so funny how he refers to him. Nick.
• 1:03:59
  He's says, diatoms typically look like little tiny spaceships. They're
• 1:04:03
  so interesting looking.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: So what does the expert say about what was happening
• 1:04:09
  in that picture you just showed us. Was that two
• 1:04:11
  of them just happened to be next to each other
• 1:04:13
  or were they actually in the process of reproducing life?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, Richard Hoover believes that they had just finished. I
• 1:04:23
  guess it's a sexual reproduction. I don't know too much
• 1:04:26
  about how they reproduce.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 9: But.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: To find I'll tell you this much, to find two
• 1:04:31
  of them like that next to each other is rare.
• 1:04:35
  I mean, I don't know if you could really find
• 1:04:37
  another photograph like that fossilized diatom two of them like that.
• 1:04:41
  He might have only ever seen one other, you know,
• 1:04:43
  for those interested in learning more about these dietimes in
• 1:04:46
  the work of this guy, I went down and I
• 1:04:49
  had to go interview them again after the film came out,
• 1:04:52
  because he has so much to say. I've got a
• 1:04:54
  whole nearly five hour long interview with this guy. He
• 1:04:57
  could tell you. It's titled The His of Microfossils and
• 1:05:01
  Meteorites from nineteen sixty six to two thousand to present day.
• 1:05:04
  You know, no, in nineteen sixty one, even earlier, like
• 1:05:07
  people were working on it even before him.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 10: And I'm like, how come we haven't heard.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: About this stuff. It took us to nineteen ninety six
• 1:05:15
  to find out about this stuff. That's ridiculous.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 9: Can I say that it seems to me, even with
• 1:05:22
  what you've presented here, which I know is the partial
• 1:05:25
  presentation of the totality of the information that you assimilated,
• 1:05:29
  it's it. It leads one, as you've suggested, to kind
• 1:05:34
  of say without hesitance that their silence and their omission
• 1:05:40
  of further research speaks volumes in a sense that you
• 1:05:45
  don't try to hide something that doesn't exist. And it
• 1:05:50
  seems to me that there's something that they're offiscating, right.
• 1:05:53
  It seems to me something is being hidden. I don't
• 1:05:56
  know what, but I wonder if in your research to
• 1:06:00
  heard rumors, you know, because it seems like other people
• 1:06:03
  must you know, suggest the same kind of powdern.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ethan, Basically, that's the whole line of questioning with
• 1:06:11
  everything that's in the film. Why aren't they not acknowledging this?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: Why not that?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Why not this? Why do that?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: And if we could, we.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Could even bring a specific example of Nasta's I don't
• 1:06:25
  know if this really helps inform the discussion, but some
• 1:06:28
  of you might be familiar with the fact that NASA
• 1:06:31
  has been artificially coloring their images of Mars for decades,
• 1:06:37
  making the planet peer a lot more red than it
• 1:06:39
  actually is. I see a lot of nodding heads.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 7: They do that with a lot of images. It makes
• 1:06:44
  all of their stories seem far less credible.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 11: I actually have a question about that very things. Yes,
• 1:06:53
  maybe you cleared this up in the beginning.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 11: I came in late, so you can just let me know.
• 1:06:59
  We do you consider yourself to be like a conspiracy
• 1:07:02
  theory guy, a spiritual.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Guy, like a sci fi kind of.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 11: I just want to know how to proceed with this
• 1:07:10
  question because I don't want to take to train too
• 1:07:13
  far off the tracks because I'm full blown, like there's
• 1:07:17
  probably something wrong with me. Bread'snot all the way cooked.
• 1:07:20
  I don't want to freak you out.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: What would you would you say you're a conspiracy theory
• 1:07:26
  guy or.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: No? But I'll tell you this much, after going down
• 1:07:30
  this rabbit hole and meeting a whole bunch of interesting
• 1:07:33
  people and seeing what's being reported on, I'm certainly entertaining
• 1:07:38
  a lot more these days than I used to.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: The whole microbe thing really does point to they have
• 1:07:45
  a narrative they are not willing to step on.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 11: Well, I think they found something else the first time
• 1:07:50
  they discovered the microbes. They got up there and they
• 1:07:53
  discovered the microbes. That's great, but they probably discovered something
• 1:07:57
  else too. There's probably a whole underground civilization on that
• 1:08:00
  motherfucker chilling on the inside, some type of journey to
• 1:08:03
  the center of the air shit with waterfalls and fucking
• 1:08:07
  butterflies and everything. And they won't even talk about the microbes,
• 1:08:11
  because when you talk about the microbes, then you got
• 1:08:14
  to admit that there's some shit going on that goes
• 1:08:17
  way beyond finding the microbes. There's probably like some kind
• 1:08:20
  of catastrophe that happened to Mars and fucked it all up,
• 1:08:23
  and it drove the people inside, and we're just finding
• 1:08:26
  like the remnants of their life and the and the
• 1:08:29
  ecosystem and everything, like little fossilized fragments on the surface,
• 1:08:34
  and all those bitches is in their chilling.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: On the inside, laughing. Every time we send it over.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 11: It's like you think they're gonna find us, and it's
• 1:08:43
  like no, because they won't even talk about the microbes. Anyways.
• 1:08:47
  This is very fascinating presentation. I always knew there was
• 1:08:49
  something wrong with Mars.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: I was gonna be something. There's something bigger. There's something
• 1:08:54
  bigger that it's being hidden here.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: That's what I think.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: That's what it saved, Tim. I mean, I agree, yeah,
• 1:09:00
  I don't. I don't know about the waterfalls. Maybe we
• 1:09:02
  can just they got.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 12: Waterfalls, they got the waterfalls, they got everybody like, if
• 1:09:08
  there's micro fossils in the meteorites from Mars, then maybe
• 1:09:14
  that suggests Mark as an atmosphere, which maybe explains why
• 1:09:18
  there's Sidonia and a sphinx up there with a headdress
• 1:09:22
  and a semester face on the what used to be
• 1:09:25
  the pole of Mars.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Tim, That's what I'm talking about. There was
• 1:09:28
  a whole civilization.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 11: Something happened to him, just like in Earth's history, where
• 1:09:33
  all the ancient civilizations talk about a massive flood event.
• 1:09:37
  Every civilization doesn't matter, it's not it doesn't even have
• 1:09:40
  to be biblical. They talk about the flood story, how
• 1:09:43
  they were driven underground into tunnels because they were avoiding
• 1:09:48
  this cataclysm. I think something similar happened on Mars and
• 1:09:53
  it drove the people inside. Anyways, Like I said, I
• 1:09:56
  don't want to take the train too far off the tracks,
• 1:09:58
  but I I have always been fascinated with that because
• 1:10:02
  I think that they've known about something for a long time,
• 1:10:05
  and the microbes are just like the beginning of it.
• 1:10:08
  I think they're hiding so much like it would change
• 1:10:12
  human history if they were ever to announce what they've
• 1:10:15
  really found.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 9: Bran Well, if you mentioned chlorophyll earlier, and I think
• 1:10:23
  I know the answer to this, but that cannot be
• 1:10:28
  found when it's ancient or is it something It must
• 1:10:32
  have been an ongoing chemical process.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: The only thing that was published on this ethan was
• 1:10:38
  an abstract a paragraph. NASA, someone who is more informed
• 1:10:45
  about the situation, relate to me that NASA said, you
• 1:10:49
  can't publish on this any further. So all we got
• 1:10:54
  is an abstract. But what least we got that I.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Will say that diatom's You have algae classified as diatoms,
• 1:11:02
  and algae utilized chlorophyll to photosynthesize, so you do have that,
• 1:11:08
  and that could be it.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: I'll insert this. I do think that a majority of
• 1:11:14
  scientists are myopic in their view of what life. The
• 1:11:19
  definition of life is. No one wants to call a
• 1:11:23
  bacterial cell life because it gives, it almost gives the
• 1:11:26
  air of we are insignificant because there is so much
• 1:11:31
  life around. Life is seeming it's bacteria. But when you
• 1:11:34
  start to call bacteria life, the newspaper should say life
• 1:11:39
  found on Mars, and it doesn't because it's not going
• 1:11:43
  to call bacteria life even though it is. And the
• 1:11:46
  other thing that when we consider only be carbon based,
• 1:11:51
  we have further become more myopic in our definition. That's
• 1:11:56
  that's just me.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Sidley so Well said, and Julia, you were
• 1:12:01
  sort of dancing around exactly what this whole film is about. Okay,
• 1:12:05
  I mean again, we're just on the boring microbe stuff.
• 1:12:08
  I mean we haven't even gotten the juicy. This is
• 1:12:11
  not juicy relative to the other stuff. Okay. Now what
• 1:12:15
  we can do here is we can pivot to something
• 1:12:19
  else here. Okay, again, let's remind ourselves. If this planet
• 1:12:23
  was once blue and we're talking about microbes, well, then
• 1:12:28
  the next question is, well, is there anything bigger than
• 1:12:31
  microbes that was ever on Mars? Turns out we got
• 1:12:36
  some interesting photos. Let me cue something else up for you, guys.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: I was, but I didn't know if he didn't want
• 1:12:42
  to cover it and leave it for the movie.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: Hey, we got time.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Julie was talking about stuff.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: He was kind of talking. You just tell me you
• 1:12:51
  want to stop talking to you.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, listen, did I put the cart before the horse?
• 1:12:55
  I'm sorry. I didn't want to ruin the president.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: We did a teaser. It's a user one. Okay, but
• 1:13:01
  we're gonna get there. But at first, first, have you
• 1:13:07
  guys let me ask you this. Just nod your head.
• 1:13:10
  If any of you guys have ever heard of something
• 1:13:15
  called a crnoid.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: I did once I show your show.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm trying to learn some shit over here, all right,
• 1:13:31
  So nick I just shared something here. Okay. So what
• 1:13:33
  we see here is something called a cryanoid. It's a
• 1:13:37
  sea creature I call it. It's like a flowery starfish. Okay,
• 1:13:43
  they are quite common. If you're a marine biologist, you
• 1:13:46
  know exactly what a cryanoid is. Now, what you see
• 1:13:49
  on the left is a fossil of what what is
• 1:13:53
  called a stalked crynoid, a stalk. So that part on
• 1:13:58
  the left with typically go down and anchor itself into
• 1:14:01
  the seabed. Okay, So it's just it's sideways now because
• 1:14:04
  we have a comparison. Okay, So it looks like a plant,
• 1:14:09
  but it's actually an animal. Sea creatures are funny that way.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: Now, what you will see is you see the stalk
• 1:14:18
  coming up. And while it might be hard to tell,
• 1:14:22
  so I can zoom into it. It's uh, can you
• 1:14:26
  guys see my mouse? Yeah?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: I can?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, So it this process of branching out here is
• 1:14:35
  called bifurcation. You know, it splits, it bifurcates. Okay, so
• 1:14:44
  what I'm gonna show you next are two different images.
• 1:14:50
  One is on Mars and one is on Earth. And
• 1:14:53
  I want to see if you guys can guess which
• 1:14:56
  one is which. Okay, all right, so we have something
• 1:15:08
  here on the left, we have something here on the right. Now,
• 1:15:12
  can you guys see basically we have a stem here.
• 1:15:17
  This one's curved, but it's bifurcating right here. And over
• 1:15:21
  here we have a stem and it's bifurcating right here.
• 1:15:23
  Can you guys see that? Okay? So, so how many
• 1:15:28
  people think the one on the left is from Earth?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: I'll say that one's Earth, yeah, okay.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 10: And on the on the right, you guys, the left Mars.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 7: Me too.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: The one on the right looks like the same stem
• 1:15:54
  from the picture that you just shut Okay, yeah, cud
• 1:16:00
  does look similar.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Well, the one of left is from Mars, one of
• 1:16:05
  the right is from Earth.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: Okay, Now it's the definition.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: What was claimed was that NASA, the NASA again, NASA Hello, NASA,
• 1:16:23
  the Opportunity Rover in two thousand and four took this image,
• 1:16:32
  the one that you see here on the left. This
• 1:16:38
  thing is only about three or four inches big. It's
• 1:16:41
  really not that big. Okay, now this image. I caught
• 1:16:49
  wind of this image through you know, I have to
• 1:16:51
  credit here the partner I worked with on the film.
• 1:16:55
  His name is Michael Craig. He's in England. He was
• 1:16:57
  my subject matter expert and producer and he knew all
• 1:17:00
  about this stuff. So he told me a lot about
• 1:17:02
  what I presented in the film, what we both resented
• 1:17:05
  the film. So I took this image and I'm like,
• 1:17:08
  you know what, I want to know what an expert
• 1:17:10
  thinks about this image, but I'm not going to give
• 1:17:12
  him any context. So this image here on the left,
• 1:17:15
  and again I sourced this. It's cropped here for this presentation,
• 1:17:19
  but I sourced this directly back to NASA's website. I
• 1:17:22
  sent it to a paleontologist who specializes in marine biology
• 1:17:30
  marine fossilized biology. I sent it to a paleontologist at
• 1:17:34
  the University of Cincinnati, and to be kind, I won't
• 1:17:38
  mention his name, and I just asked him what he
• 1:17:42
  thought of it. And he said, oh, this is an
• 1:17:45
  interesting sample. This looks either like a ce lily or
• 1:17:49
  a crynoid. Where did you get this specimen? I'm like, okay,
• 1:17:56
  and I told him I got it from NASA's website
• 1:17:58
  because it's an image from Mars. Never heard back from
• 1:18:02
  the guy, so that was all I needed as a
• 1:18:08
  filmmaker to say, you know what, there's legitimacy to the claim,
• 1:18:12
  but this thing is a crynoid on mark.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 8: But there's an interesting factor as well. The one on
• 1:18:20
  the left is more three dimensional. It's it's it's a
• 1:18:24
  more defined image than the one on the right, which
• 1:18:27
  is pressed, indicating there must have been less pressure or
• 1:18:31
  less gravity in making that. And there is less gravity
• 1:18:36
  on Mars, so you would have more definition to that
• 1:18:39
  photograph because it has more room in the in the
• 1:18:43
  process of becoming possiblist.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: It's certainly possible.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: If I could add to that, because you mentioned Brian,
• 1:18:55
  you mentioned in Graham Hancock earlier. If I'm remembering correctly,
• 1:19:00
  he has said that there's no doubt that Mars once
• 1:19:02
  had dense, impossibly earth like, an earth like atmosphere with life,
• 1:19:09
  with oceans, rivers and rivers that ran for a very
• 1:19:12
  long time, that it etched like deep channels into the
• 1:19:15
  surface of Mars. If that's true, I mean that is
• 1:19:20
  that what we're looking at all the evidence.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Of Yeah, it's certainly plausible. And that's the that's the
• 1:19:28
  that's the point is that if if the planet had
• 1:19:32
  ocean's lakes and rivers, thus most likely sea life, water life.
• 1:19:39
  You know, the question is would it look anything like
• 1:19:42
  Earth life? Right? Well, there's also the equally legitimate question
• 1:19:48
  why wouldn't it look like Earth life? Because I'm with
• 1:19:52
  you on that one.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: I think it was similar.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Well, history shows that over millions of Earth and Mars
• 1:20:01
  have essentially I like this term swapped spit. Okay, rocks
• 1:20:08
  from one planet end up on the other. Okay, back
• 1:20:11
  and forth. This happens, all right, you guys, Remember, you know,
• 1:20:16
  sixty five million years ago, big Meteia comes down, hits
• 1:20:19
  the Earth, kills all the dinosaurs, and there's some dinosaur
• 1:20:23
  conspiracies and all that kind of stuff. But when I
• 1:20:24
  getting into that today, Okay, big rock hits the Earth,
• 1:20:28
  launches a bunch of material up into the atmosphere. A
• 1:20:31
  lot of that material is going to rain back down
• 1:20:33
  on the Earth. Some of it might orbit the Earth
• 1:20:35
  a little bit, but some of it's gonna get launched
• 1:20:36
  so far, so hard out into space that it's just
• 1:20:39
  going to keep going because it has enough escape velocity
• 1:20:42
  to escape the gravity of Earth, and yeah, some of
• 1:20:44
  it might end up on Mars, so we do know
• 1:20:48
  there's been this exchange material. Now what you're seeing here
• 1:20:51
  is the actual full image, all right, and you can
• 1:20:56
  see it right here. It doesn't really look this is
• 1:21:00
  a really boring photo. Now, if you were NASA, what
• 1:21:05
  would you do if you discovered a potential fossil in
• 1:21:10
  the side of a rock. You're not sure, but you
• 1:21:14
  think it might be something, so you might want to
• 1:21:18
  take a closer lot. Seems reasonable.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 10: Well, what did NASA do?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: Nothing? Probably they.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: Ground it down to nothing.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 10: Oh, come on, I.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 11: See now the conspiracy theorist is just bursting out of me.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: I can't with this. You know why they do stuff
• 1:21:46
  like that.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 11: Because they don't want people to know about shit. That's
• 1:21:49
  why they do stuff like that. I don't think NASA
• 1:21:53
  is the good guys, but.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe I'm in the minority here or whatever
• 1:21:58
  with that. But why would you do that?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 11: Why would you purposely ground it down so that we
• 1:22:04
  can't ever see it again.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 8: It's a government wide policy of not accepting that there's
• 1:22:12
  life and out of space. It's on every level. They
• 1:22:14
  always deny it and so NASA is just another government agency.
• 1:22:18
  They have to deny it.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: So Richard Hoover tells me the story because he was
• 1:22:25
  working at NASA at the time this was discovered. Again,
• 1:22:28
  he's the lead astrobiologist at NASA Marshall, and he called
• 1:22:31
  NASA headquarters and he asked, essentially one of the lead
• 1:22:37
  scientists at NASA headquarters, a guy named David McKay, why
• 1:22:40
  did you guys ground into this thing? They used a
• 1:22:43
  rock what's called a rock abrasion tool to grind into it.
• 1:22:47
  And Richard Hoover recounts this telephone conversation he had with
• 1:22:51
  the lead scientists at NASA headquarters who told him, well,
• 1:22:56
  we were grinding into it to see if it contained
• 1:22:58
  any carbon.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Oh nah, sorry, sorry, don't. I'm not buying that brand
• 1:23:06
  of boloney today. That is the most ridiculous.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 11: I cannot even They take advantage of people trusting them
• 1:23:15
  because it's NASA. It's like, you can't question us.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: We're NASA.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 11: It's not like you could be smarter than us, because
• 1:23:21
  you're just a retard and you don't work for NASA.
• 1:23:24
  But they say stuff like that, and it's like, I'm sorry,
• 1:23:28
  don't I don't buy that, like, why would you ground
• 1:23:32
  it down to nothing? They don't do that with the
• 1:23:36
  the archaeologists in Egypt when they're digging up all those
• 1:23:39
  fucking tombs and shit, Oh, we find a skeleton, let's
• 1:23:42
  grind it down to nothing so we can see if
• 1:23:45
  they're like, where's the logic in that?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: Doesn't make sense, Julia's that's exactly the response. That's exactly
• 1:23:53
  the appropriate response. There's no logic to it. And as
• 1:23:56
  Professor Hoover recounts in his story his reaction to that
• 1:24:01
  lead scientist David McKay, he says, what because David McKay,
• 1:24:09
  who was part of the team responsible for analyzing that
• 1:24:11
  Alan Hills media rite when Bill Clinton talked about he
• 1:24:16
  was a geologist who of course knew paleontology, and imagine
• 1:24:22
  finding a dinosaur skull. This is what Professor Hoover talks about.
• 1:24:26
  He's like, imagine finding a dinosaur skull. It's fossilized, okay,
• 1:24:31
  so if you crack it open with your hammer, you're
• 1:24:34
  not going to find brains inside of it anymore. It's
• 1:24:36
  all been turned to rock. So he got a nonsense answer.
• 1:24:41
  One NASA astrobiologist to another is feeding him bullshit. So
• 1:24:48
  within three hours this was ground down to nothing. Now
• 1:24:53
  there's a little bit more to the story, and I'll
• 1:24:55
  tease that because we actually got some interestingly, grinding it
• 1:25:00
  down provided us some extra evidence that this thing is
• 1:25:04
  in fact a crinoid. That's the teaser. You can go
• 1:25:06
  check out the film to finish this story.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: It's quite their evil plan backfire.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: Hey, you know what, Look, we're talking about a bunch
• 1:25:21
  of cool stuff here on Mars, and I wanted to
• 1:25:25
  try to do my due diligence and give NASA chance
• 1:25:28
  to respond to everything that was in the film. I
• 1:25:32
  guess what. They didn't want to talk.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: To mel did not gonna talk to me.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: JPL did not want to talk to me. Okay, and
• 1:25:43
  three other institutions that I went to did not want
• 1:25:46
  to talk to me. So what am I supposed to do?
• 1:25:49
  Because I'll hear people from time to time saying, well,
• 1:25:51
  your documentary is not balanced, it doesn't include the other side. Well,
• 1:25:54
  guess what, the other side didn't want to talk to me, right.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: So they're either gonna respond or they're going to In
• 1:26:01
  the case of Spielberg, they send him a forty page
• 1:26:04
  letter on why he should not release Close Encounters of
• 1:26:08
  the Fifth Kind because they didn't want that information out
• 1:26:11
  or they're just not going to respond.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: So you know, I tried, guys, I tried. I'm not
• 1:26:22
  going to go over everything that's in the film because
• 1:26:24
  it wonders just a couple more kind of exciting things,
• 1:26:28
  just to just to advance this conversation. And by the way,
• 1:26:31
  that's not the only example of a fussle on Mars.
• 1:26:35
  We talk about more in the film. I've learned about
• 1:26:37
  even more since the film has come out, Julie, I
• 1:26:41
  guess to answer your question a little bit more extensively here,
• 1:26:47
  I don't go to bat for something unless I got
• 1:26:49
  the receipts. Now, I take it, just by the general
• 1:26:55
  vibe of the room here that it seems like these
• 1:26:58
  receipts are working for those who I call the uninitiated.
• 1:27:03
  You guys have never heard about this stuff, because I
• 1:27:05
  didn't hear about this stuff either, and when I did,
• 1:27:07
  I'm like, what the hell man? And again, this is
• 1:27:11
  really just kind of the beginning of the story, because
• 1:27:15
  there is a story about Mars. I think Julie were
• 1:27:17
  alluding to that if there was like because we think, oh, well,
• 1:27:22
  Mars is this planet. Maybe there was life there in
• 1:27:23
  the past, maybe there were people there. Well, if there was,
• 1:27:26
  wouldn't there be remnants? Okay, and here we have biological
• 1:27:31
  arguably is evidence for biological remnants. Now what about non
• 1:27:38
  biological remnants? Like, what are we talking about there? Okay,
• 1:27:45
  there's no shortage of people online talking about interesting things
• 1:27:49
  they might have found in photographs.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and the.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: Huh we'll get to that in just a second. Before
• 1:28:02
  we get there, though, let me show you this image. Okay,
• 1:28:06
  let me just show you. Here's one of dozens examples
• 1:28:13
  of Rover photographs that, at first glance, don't really look
• 1:28:23
  too interesting, because what do you guys remember about Rover photographs? Boring?
• 1:28:29
  Just a bunch of rocks? Next right, move like, okay,
• 1:28:39
  what's the big deal?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 7: That's a foundation.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna blow this up a little bit more.
• 1:28:49
  Can you guys just take a close look at this
• 1:28:51
  photograph and see if there's any particular object in here
• 1:28:54
  that just doesn't seem like the rest.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 11: Is this shit I just started I'm looking at or
• 1:29:01
  is this something microscopic?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 10: I'm looking at this?
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: It is like you're looking at the side of a hill.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: It does stick out like this.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, this, this is a This is a Rover image, Julia.
• 1:29:13
  So you're basically looking at a hill that's you know,
• 1:29:15
  let's say, ten fifteen meters away or something.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the right corner is this somewhere? Lollo, Shit,
• 1:29:25
  I can't see anything.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, don't worry, don't worry, don't wor Okay, So some
• 1:29:29
  of you are seeing this thing. Okay, some of you
• 1:29:35
  are seeing this thing right here? Julia. Do you see
• 1:29:41
  that right here?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I see it now.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: I'll zoom in in just a second. But what how
• 1:29:49
  would you describe what you're seeing there? And why is
• 1:29:52
  your eye drawn to it? You know, tim Ethan anybody else?
• 1:29:57
  It's true, uniforms to be natural, right, it's too complex
• 1:30:03
  of a smooth shape, poultry? And how would you describe
• 1:30:08
  the overall landscape here?
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: Irregular?
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: Rugged?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: Isn't it all right? So?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: What is it?
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: This one? Nope? Okay. There's a guy in Israel who
• 1:30:22
  does some image processing. He's an independent Mars researcher. He
• 1:30:25
  does nothing else in his spare time but sift through
• 1:30:30
  thousands and thousands of Mars rover images. His name is
• 1:30:35
  Rommy Barr Alone. You'll see it there in the right
• 1:30:37
  lower hand corner there and Robmy, if you're watching, God
• 1:30:41
  bless you, buddy, you do some amazing work. He found
• 1:30:44
  this thing. See, that's the thing. NASA took the picture.
• 1:30:50
  But NASA doesn't talk about the picture. They just publish it.
• 1:30:53
  They're legally obligated to publish, but they don't got to
• 1:30:56
  say shit, and they don't want to because that opens
• 1:31:01
  up a whole can of worms. How do you have
• 1:31:03
  something that appears to be well, now, what does this
• 1:31:06
  look like? I'm not even going to characterize it. What
• 1:31:08
  do you How would you guys describe this?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Big is this?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: How big is this thing that I'm looking at right here?
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: Well, it's it's an object that you can see from
• 1:31:17
  ten or fifteen meters away. So I don't have the
• 1:31:20
  exact measurements, but it's big enough to be spotted by
• 1:31:22
  the naked eye from let's say, you know, ten or
• 1:31:25
  fifteen meters away.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 7: Okay, it's traffic code from Earth.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: So that's how big it is. It's like the size
• 1:31:35
  of a traffic come.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 9: It might be now like it would be part of
• 1:31:42
  a mechanical of some sort of celebration arms machine.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, Yeah, that's what I want to say. It
• 1:31:55
  looks like a pipe. That's how the motherfuckers get from
• 1:31:59
  the surface to Earth.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 11: They use the pipe systems. They got systems. You guys
• 1:32:05
  are laughing, and you know they have systems.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: That's how they be getting back and forth.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 7: Is actually it's a slushy. It's a slushy.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 11: They don't have slushies. They're very health conscious on Mars headless.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you how I'm interpreting this image not as
• 1:32:25
  a pipe, but as a column O buried, a column
• 1:32:33
  that's fallen over. That is just what it looks like
• 1:32:34
  to me. I don't know what the hell it is,
• 1:32:36
  but just what it looks like to me. It looks
• 1:32:38
  like a column fell over, because what do we see here?
• 1:32:41
  We see smooth on that surface, on this surface, and
• 1:32:46
  this is.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty impressive circular.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 7: I was going to see that is there a scale
• 1:32:55
  on this thing?
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: So that I mean, I'm sorry, I don't have a
• 1:32:58
  scale with me. It's it's you know, Ronny might be better.
• 1:33:01
  You know, Robby's got a whole website dedicating to this stuff.
• 1:33:03
  This is one of his amazing finds. Okay, you know,
• 1:33:08
  but Robby's.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: Over there is a stone circle. If you look around
• 1:33:11
  at the outside, it looks like a stone circle.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean this is it looks like a
• 1:33:17
  perfect circle here on the end. Is that what you're saying? No?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 7: No, on the outside of it.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 8: If this thing is huge, like a megalith, on its side,
• 1:33:25
  there are a bunch of little rocks on the outside
• 1:33:27
  that would indicate like a stone circle that they haven't. Oh,
• 1:33:30
  I see, yeah, so that's like, you know, thirty meters
• 1:33:39
  across that it's fallen over.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 7: That could be you know, good indicator what that is.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, so this was taken by the Opportunity Rover. You know,
• 1:33:49
  certainly we've had other rovers there. But the question is
• 1:33:54
  why did we not go take a closer look? Why
• 1:33:58
  didn't we drive the robe closer to this thing? And
• 1:34:04
  the only answer I could possibly imagine, other than well
• 1:34:08
  we're just not interested. We're gonna pretend we didn't see
• 1:34:10
  that is a plausible explanation, might be, well, we don't
• 1:34:14
  want the rover to get stuck. But guess what, These
• 1:34:20
  rovers are designed to literally drive over rocks. Okay, and
• 1:34:24
  I show that in the film, you can see these
• 1:34:26
  things driving over rocks that are this big and there
• 1:34:30
  doesn't appear to be much standing in the way of
• 1:34:33
  a rover, and that interesting thing there, why I get
• 1:34:36
  a zoom lens on it at least? Right, we're just
• 1:34:38
  gonna let that one go. Okay, again, this is just
• 1:34:41
  one of dozens of rover images. Yeah, I could would
• 1:34:48
  spend all night on just rover images. That I'm not
• 1:34:49
  going to because you know, we got other interesting things
• 1:34:52
  to talk about.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you do have a lot of the movie just
• 1:34:55
  for the people to hear. He has a lot of
• 1:34:56
  images of weird shit on Mars too.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 9: So.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of weird shit. Okay, so let's talk about Okay,
• 1:35:06
  one more rogure image, just one more, one more because now,
• 1:35:12
  as you guys might suspect these these rover images, some
• 1:35:17
  of them are taking it quite high resolution. Okay, but
• 1:35:22
  they show a giant landscape like what we just saw.
• 1:35:26
  But unfortunately, when you spot something that's odd and you
• 1:35:30
  zoom into it, what happens when you zoom into an image,
• 1:35:35
  sometimes it becomes and yeah, right, okay, So a lot
• 1:35:41
  of the time what these Mars independent researchers do is
• 1:35:46
  de noise and try to get rid of some of
• 1:35:48
  the pixelizations, but retaining the ultimate quality or the characterization
• 1:35:53
  of the objects. Okay, So they might adjust some of
• 1:35:57
  the contrasts and things like that, but they are not
• 1:35:59
  changing the fundamental shape of these things that they present. Okay,
• 1:36:03
  And I've seen them before and after again. I wouldn't
• 1:36:05
  go to bat for this if I didn't believe in
• 1:36:08
  their work. It's not really mischaracterizing it. So here's another
• 1:36:11
  interesting image. Again, this is blurry but kind of cleaned up.
• 1:36:17
  And you tell me what this looks like. One of
• 1:36:21
  the strongest pieces of photographic evidence. Photographs are evidence. When
• 1:36:27
  people say there's absolutely no evidence, roll allah l Well,
• 1:36:30
  here's a photograph in a photograph. You submit that in
• 1:36:35
  a court of law as evidence. Here you go, your honor.
• 1:36:39
  Here's a photograph of them guys stabbing that other guy.
• 1:36:42
  Here's you go. Here's there it is? Okay, what do
• 1:36:45
  you guys see? Here it's loading also, there go.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: I remember this one too. It was like, what the
• 1:36:55
  fuck is that? It's like the tiest fellow is of drugism. Shit.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: Now, I can't tell you exactly how big this is.
• 1:37:03
  This is just one of many things in a giant landscape.
• 1:37:09
  We had to zoom really far into it, just the
• 1:37:12
  contrast just a little bit. But if you look at
• 1:37:14
  the unaltered photograph, you will see this in there, and
• 1:37:19
  it's barely observable, just because there's so much else in there.
• 1:37:26
  But I've done it. I've sourced the image and I
• 1:37:28
  looked at it, and this is just a cleaned up
• 1:37:31
  version of what you find in there, regardless of what
• 1:37:35
  you might think it is. What shape does it have?
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: So I've got a bar bell in the other room
• 1:37:47
  that looks like that.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 11: That is an ancient barbell from the Inner Earth people,
• 1:37:54
  you said, I'm sorry, Inner Mars people, Inner Mars people.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 13: But you know, depending on how big it is, it
• 1:38:01
  could be a structure too, or you know, a double
• 1:38:05
  domed structure with like a little hallway in between, or
• 1:38:09
  something that's.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 8: Clearly an engine from one of those John Carter airships
• 1:38:13
  that blew up in the.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 11: H I think it looks like it came off a
• 1:38:17
  horse and buggy or something in it definite looks like
• 1:38:23
  wheels an axle.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: To me, it looks like a kid's toy wheels.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 11: It don't look like it don't look like some random
• 1:38:32
  rocks and dirt and ship that they say this like
• 1:38:35
  that's all Mars has on it. Definitely reeks of there
• 1:38:40
  was something else going on here.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Definite.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is probably just maybe a foot large
• 1:38:50
  just given my estimation based on the image that the
• 1:38:54
  big image that I don't have it in front of
• 1:38:56
  me with the big image that I've seen of this.
• 1:38:58
  But again, you got I credit these guys that they're
• 1:39:01
  looking at an image with tons of shit in it
• 1:39:03
  and they're just taking their time meticulously scanning everything. Oh wait,
• 1:39:06
  that looks odd let's zoom up when there clean it up.
• 1:39:09
  Rommy again from Israel. Nobody knows this guy. But there
• 1:39:12
  is a thriving Mars. I shouldn't say thriving. There is
• 1:39:15
  an existing Mars community that does this kind of work,
• 1:39:18
  and they are owed a debt of gratitude for spending
• 1:39:21
  their spare time finding these things for the rest of
• 1:39:23
  us to enjoy. So my goal is to try to
• 1:39:27
  highlight their work and elevate it for the rest of
• 1:39:30
  us to see, so that this story of Mars starts
• 1:39:34
  to crystallize. So let's just move on to something a
• 1:39:38
  little bit bigger.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 11: Can I say something, Brian, Yes, you know, what I
• 1:39:45
  think of the Mars story is like I got it,
• 1:39:50
  like in one hundred years from now or whenever some
• 1:39:54
  type of huge cataclysm hits Earth and all the ritually
• 1:39:58
  assholes take off, they repopulate somewhere else, and whenever they
• 1:40:04
  get to that planet, you know, they just forget.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: About Earth and act like it never existed.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 11: And then eventually, like generations later, they're taking rovers and
• 1:40:15
  they're putting them on Earth and they're finding like taco
• 1:40:17
  bell sporks, and they're like, look at this, there was
• 1:40:21
  life on this planet. Like I'm serious, this is what
• 1:40:24
  we're finding on Mars and we're like, what is this?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 11: And like back then it was they probably had megalithic structures,
• 1:40:31
  they probably had school buses, they probably had life, they
• 1:40:34
  probably had a routine, families, all that animal husbandry, all
• 1:40:39
  of it. But it was wiped out, it was decimated,
• 1:40:43
  and now we're just finding the taco bell sporks. But
• 1:40:46
  I think that Earth very well, something like that could
• 1:40:51
  happen to us and thing gets decimated and they have
• 1:40:55
  to start over somewhere else.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is a very real possibility.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: We're Julie were in there.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: Because these images aren't obstacle illusions or natural features. I
• 1:41:05
  don't think that's a I think that's a big telltale
• 1:41:10
  for me. And it's like, I don't know, Brian, if
• 1:41:11
  you ever heard of doctor Tom Flander, but he was, Yes,
• 1:41:17
  he's like a doctor of astronomy or was a doctor
• 1:41:20
  of astronomy for you, and he did a three year
• 1:41:22
  study on this stuff, including I think the face on Mars,
• 1:41:25
  and that's kind of what that study was showing was
• 1:41:28
  that it's not obstacle illusion and it's not natural feature.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, for tonight, the face on water is
• 1:41:38
  going to take too much time to cover. But yeah,
• 1:41:41
  there is something to it beyond it just looking like
• 1:41:46
  it might be a face. There's actually quantitative data numbers
• 1:41:52
  and shit measurements and stuff that indicate it was designed
• 1:41:56
  with symmetry and geometry in mind. We touch upon it
• 1:42:02
  in the film You Can Talk. I interviewed doctor Mark Carlotto,
• 1:42:05
  who talks a lot about that, another one of these
• 1:42:07
  guys back in the eighties analyzing this stuff. And I'm
• 1:42:12
  currently at work on producing a follow up for my
• 1:42:16
  YouTube channel, specifically on the face of Mars because I've
• 1:42:18
  learned even more about it since I finished the film,
• 1:42:23
  and I'm like, holy shit, how I need to do
• 1:42:26
  more on this. The world needs to know about this stuff.
• 1:42:29
  So I'm actually driving up to New Jersey to meet
• 1:42:32
  a guy, Matt Barone. He has a Curious Dimension podcast,
• 1:42:37
  great guy who just so happens to be a geometry teacher,
• 1:42:40
  and we're going to talk about the significance of the
• 1:42:42
  geometry of the Face on Mars in this video. So
• 1:42:46
  we're gonna save that for later.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, I mean I saw it from the Face
• 1:42:50
  on Mars. There's other pictures, and I think the ones
• 1:42:53
  that you've shown are they are great. And in fact,
• 1:42:55
  that last one you just showed, or the last two
• 1:42:57
  you just showed, I saw shadows. I saw shadows in
• 1:43:00
  the last one too, and I don't know that optical
• 1:43:03
  illusions have shadows.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 7: So I'll just leave it at that.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, of course these are photographs, man, you can pull
• 1:43:10
  them from NASA. So let's move on to something a
• 1:43:13
  little bit bigger. Okay, Now, in nineteen seventy six, you
• 1:43:19
  guys know Carl Sagan. Oh yeah, you guys remember the
• 1:43:24
  original Cosmos series.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: Oh god, yes, yeah.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty. Okay, you can find it on DBD. Still,
• 1:43:35
  there's an entire episode about Mars, and at the very
• 1:43:39
  end of that episode, Carl Sagan is talking about photographs
• 1:43:45
  taken from the orbiters that NASA sent to Mars. So
• 1:43:51
  satellite's taking pictures from space of the surface of Mars,
• 1:43:55
  photographing some interesting structures, and Carl Sagan himself, in his
• 1:44:04
  book Cosmos and the TV series Cosmos, uses the word pyramids.
• 1:44:13
  I'm going to show you some of these interesting structures.
• 1:44:18
  I cannot say with certainty that they are pyramids, but
• 1:44:26
  I'm wondering what natural geological form method forms these things.
• 1:44:33
  I don't have a solid answer on that. I'm going
• 1:44:35
  to show you just a couple of these things. You
• 1:44:37
  tell me, Okay, So, if anyone wants to criticize me
• 1:44:44
  or anybody else in the Mars community for using the
• 1:44:45
  word pyramids, well we got to go back and we
• 1:44:48
  got to listen to Carl Sagan. He's the one characterizing
• 1:44:50
  them as such. And we all love Carl Sagan. He's
• 1:44:54
  a well respected scientist. God bless me, he's not with us,
• 1:44:57
  But anyway, let me share it with you this So
• 1:45:00
  let's rewind the clock back to nineteen seventy six. NASA
• 1:45:02
  sends these landers down to the planet, takes these measurements
• 1:45:06
  and photos. By the way, it took a picture of
• 1:45:13
  snowfall on Mars. It snows on Mars. There's clouds on Mars.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: They have Christmas on Mars. I'm telling you, they're in
• 1:45:24
  the ground the.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 8: Mars like right, Well, the atmosphere of Mars is said
• 1:45:34
  to be so thin that it's not supposed to be
• 1:45:36
  able to produce clouds, that's what they always say.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: But well, NASA's got photographs of them. You know, they
• 1:45:41
  just don't talk about this stuff. And that's the surprising anyway,
• 1:45:44
  off one water. So they send these orbiters, also the
• 1:45:49
  Viking orbiters. They're taking pictures in nineteen seventy six, and yes,
• 1:45:53
  that's where we get the original face on Mars photograph. Okay,
• 1:45:57
  but they also started taking pictures of other parts hearts
• 1:46:00
  of the planet. And Nick, I'm gonna share it again.
• 1:46:04
  Here they took a picture.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: Here, look at this ship.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like very circular.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the little thing beside it.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, so the big circle on top, what is that?
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 7: What do I mean?
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an impact crater, and you can see all
• 1:46:41
  the ejected material right that's been scattered all around it,
• 1:46:45
  right right, This thing down here does not have any
• 1:46:53
  of that ejected material on top of it. I don't
• 1:46:57
  know what this looks like to you, but I'm in
• 1:47:00
  some kind of an indication here that this thing is
• 1:47:04
  not perfectly circular. You know how you look at a
• 1:47:08
  volcano from the top down. It's circular. It doesn't have
• 1:47:11
  what appeared to be sides, And logic would present that
• 1:47:21
  if this structure was there before the meteor came down
• 1:47:30
  and made that big hole, would it still be standing
• 1:47:36
  being so close to it. So they're, oh my.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: God, it's new.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 11: They came out of the tunnel system and they built it,
• 1:47:47
  and they went back and see, you guys got to
• 1:47:50
  let me tell you about mars.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 10: I knew it.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: That's the gym that's using the ball bell.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Then, yes, it almost it almost looks like like they
• 1:48:01
  built a tower to mine whatever was in that circle,
• 1:48:04
  whether it was.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: Water, oh weh.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: You may do in the earth. They place gins or
• 1:48:13
  mills right alongside it. I don't think.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: So it's interesting. You know, it's not for me to speculate,
• 1:48:21
  but who knows, Lisa. You know, let's talk about the
• 1:48:24
  size of this for a second. That crater is two
• 1:48:27
  and a half miles wide.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, so that means this structure has got
• 1:48:35
  to be huge.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 11: Brian's got this whole like very soothing, like Jeff Goldbloom
• 1:48:41
  thing going on with his voice, and it's he's very
• 1:48:44
  like articulate, and.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm learning a lot right now.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 11: But this is the kind of stuff that makes me
• 1:48:51
  go crazy, and he should present this stuff and not
• 1:48:54
  me because.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: It infuriates me.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 11: It's like to look at this and then say, oh,
• 1:48:58
  it's just like a sea urgent or whatever. They say
• 1:49:01
  it is some type of micro bacterial seand particle whatever.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: It's like, no way, dude, that's a pyramid. That is
• 1:49:10
  a pyramid. Somebody built that thing.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: Where are they that it looks a lot like burial mounts.
• 1:49:16
  And I've trust me, I've had my share of looking
• 1:49:18
  at Google Earth aerial images of burial mounts at Tennessee
• 1:49:22
  and Kentucky, and that's what that looks like.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: So, guys, believe it or not, we were lucky enough,
• 1:49:29
  us Myers people to have gifted to us just within
• 1:49:36
  the past six months and updated this an updated photo
• 1:49:41
  of this structure. They reimage this structure almost fifty years later.
• 1:49:46
  This is from ninth This is from the mid seventies.
• 1:49:48
  This photo here, high contrast, low resolution. But guess what
• 1:49:52
  they took another picture of it? I think within the
• 1:49:54
  past six months. Oh shit, see if we can zoom
• 1:50:01
  in a little bit here? Can you zoom in.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: Here?
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't have a wider landscape image of this.
• 1:50:17
  But there are no other large moundlike, mountain like, volcano
• 1:50:23
  like structures anywhere near this. For miles and miles, there's nothing.
• 1:50:29
  This is the only thing that sticks up out of
• 1:50:31
  the ground. Now again, it's it to me, to my
• 1:50:36
  eye and tell me if I'm seeing things. It kind
• 1:50:39
  of looks like there are sides. Look at this shadow.
• 1:50:44
  It is triangular. It is not circular. It doesn't Yes,
• 1:50:49
  it has an arc over here. But here there's a
• 1:50:51
  distinct line. You know, And whenever we see the Egyptian pyramids,
• 1:50:56
  we are seeing shadows with distinct lines. Now you might say, okay,
• 1:51:02
  after all of that evidence, you might still say, well,
• 1:51:05
  it doesn't look like a perfect pyramid.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: It's a pedagon.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: It got pucked up.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: With the water erosion when the catastrophe hit.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: That's what it is.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: And so keep this in mind. The surface of Mars
• 1:51:18
  is old. It doesn't have much of an atmosphere, but
• 1:51:22
  it has just enough of an atmosphere to blow around
• 1:51:26
  sand and dust. And so if any of you guys
• 1:51:30
  have ever seen an unexcavated pyramid, what does an unexcavated
• 1:51:35
  pyramid look like? It just looks like a hill with
• 1:51:40
  dirt on it, sometimes trees, sometimes you don't have no idea.
• 1:51:43
  There's a pyramid underneath.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 9: So there is a square on this too. This sticks
• 1:51:52
  at It just looks too. It looks like a like
• 1:51:56
  almost like talk about geomestry. It looks like almost a
• 1:51:59
  perfect square. And yeah, it's a cavern.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: Great catch ethan, that's a great catch at the.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: Top of the pramid and looking like when you look
• 1:52:09
  at remote sensing of vegetation, it looks like the top
• 1:52:12
  part is either weather worn like a wind type worn.
• 1:52:17
  But what's interesting is the pattern of the surface outside
• 1:52:22
  of the pyramid over to the right and left hand side.
• 1:52:26
  It almost looks like water erosion of sorts or vegetation
• 1:52:32
  that has grown in patterns and then frozen into the land,
• 1:52:37
  but it does have some sort of vegetative water esc pattern.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: To it on the side.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 11: Lisa, do you know you might you might be familiar
• 1:52:49
  with this, You know the pyramid in Mexico that's like buried.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: It looks like a hill. I think it's Chilula. It's
• 1:52:57
  in Chilula. Yeah, So.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 11: They didn't know that was a pyramid for like the
• 1:53:03
  longest I don't think they thought it was just a
• 1:53:05
  big ass, grassy ass hill. And then they started looking
• 1:53:09
  into it, right, Like, does that not remind you kind
• 1:53:13
  of like of what we're looking at right now? It's
• 1:53:15
  it's just like been buried, a little bit covered up,
• 1:53:18
  but you the remnants.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 5: It looks like there's a before and after that pyramid
• 1:53:23
  you were talking about, and that looks like the before
• 1:53:25
  picture before.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: They escavated it, right right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's definitely
• 1:53:32
  ribbing on the floor, like a four sided on this one.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: So let's just say, Okay, so what I'm showing you
• 1:53:40
  are samples, right, I could spend all day night showing
• 1:53:45
  you everything. Okay, I'm just showing you some of the
• 1:53:51
  best stuff. Now maybe this, let's just say this one
• 1:53:54
  doesn't work for you, Okay, let's take a look at.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: This next one.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: Come on, wow, look at this shit.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: If you were to pile up some dirt and some
• 1:54:13
  dust on top of Tao Tiacan, which is down in Mexico,
• 1:54:18
  would it not look something similar to what we see
• 1:54:21
  on the left.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: It's identical.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: Now, this particular imager was discovered by a gentleman in
• 1:54:29
  South Africa. His name is John Ward. He's an independent
• 1:54:34
  Mars researcher, and I'll show you just a quick sampling
• 1:54:38
  of his work next. But this is the most notable
• 1:54:41
  of his discoveries. Again, one of these guys just spending
• 1:54:44
  his spare time sifting through thousands of images looking for stuff,
• 1:54:48
  and here he comes and he finds. Look at that.
• 1:54:51
  Does that look like a volcano to you? To anybody?
• 1:54:55
  Look again, we have what appeared to besides, who wants
• 1:54:59
  to take a guess? How how big this thing is?
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, don't tell me.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 5: But it looks just like the image you just showed with,
• 1:55:07
  because it's got the same four sides and the same placement.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: Mmmm.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: This thing is two and a half miles big.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. They were master builders. Whoever they were seeing.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: This structure that's these steps here on the front. You
• 1:55:27
  cover those with some dirt, don't you think you'd get
• 1:55:29
  just a lump just here on the side. So who
• 1:55:35
  can tell? Like, look, look, you guys, it's just like
• 1:55:39
  you guys aren't pushing for pyramids on Mars. But just
• 1:55:43
  to the naked eye here this looks like there could
• 1:55:48
  be something here because to the untrained eye, there's geometry,
• 1:55:54
  there's symmetry to this thing. It's got four equal sides.
• 1:55:59
  My only question, I'm not saying this is proof of
• 1:56:01
  pyramids and extraterrestrial civilization agent on Mars. I am saying
• 1:56:06
  that we need to go and just take a closer look,
• 1:56:09
  not just with geologists, but with archaeologists, palaeontologists, biologists. There's
• 1:56:18
  a whole team of different scientists from different disciplines that
• 1:56:22
  need to go and study this planet because arguably there's
• 1:56:24
  something more than what we've been told. Now, let me
• 1:56:29
  just I just want to highlight My job is to
• 1:56:34
  really highlight the work of these people doing this research.
• 1:56:39
  And John Ward has found he's got a whole channel
• 1:56:46
  with stuff he's found. I'm just going to show you
• 1:56:50
  a simple collage of what else he's found. This thing here.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: That is in Nokia.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: Let me give you some let me let me give
• 1:57:03
  you some scale. Here, I'll give you some scale. This
• 1:57:05
  thing up here is about let's say, fifty meters wide. Okay,
• 1:57:10
  kind of funky. I have a video interview with John
• 1:57:14
  Ward where he talks about each one of these things,
• 1:57:15
  and we find earth analogs, and there's something like this
• 1:57:18
  down in Mexico or Peru. I think I forget where,
• 1:57:22
  but there's something that just looks like that. But look
• 1:57:24
  at it. It's got arguably, it has symmetry to it.
• 1:57:28
  It's got equal sides rounded, yes, but eroded. Sure, It's
• 1:57:33
  just like, well, that's an odd thing in the middle
• 1:57:35
  of the rest of the landscape. There's nothing else like it.
• 1:57:37
  Shouldn't we take a closer look. This thing over here
• 1:57:42
  is about twenty or thirty meters.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: Long.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: It's in a landscape that has a lot of different craters.
• 1:57:51
  But this is really odd. What it looks almost sinuous?
• 1:57:58
  What what natural geological formation does this? It's a really
• 1:58:08
  weird Yeah it does.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: It looks weird.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: It does look really weird. Now, this thing down here
• 1:58:14
  is about the size of a boat.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it ain't an Okia.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: Never mind it's about the size of a boat.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: It is like something on the side of it.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: It looks like it right, like like a button, like
• 1:58:27
  a It's hard to tell because you can't tell like
• 1:58:29
  how big these things are. But like you know what
• 1:58:31
  I mean.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: So don't we need to go take a close look
• 1:58:37
  at these things. For anyone to say that there's nothing
• 1:58:41
  to see here, I think they're just being dishonest. Don't
• 1:58:45
  our natural curiosities suggest to us that there's something odd
• 1:58:50
  about these things that we are seeing. I'll show you, Okay,
• 1:58:56
  Now one more collage by a different guy who's in
• 1:58:59
  Colorado is my buddy Gary. Gary is another one of
• 1:59:04
  these independent Mars researchers who has found dozens of what
• 1:59:09
  I'm about to show to you again. These are orbiter photographs,
• 1:59:13
  photographic structures that are huge, and the ones you're about
• 1:59:16
  to see are about three quarters of a mile to
• 1:59:20
  a mile big. Okay, And Gary has found the lots
• 1:59:27
  and lots of these things.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember seeing that one of them all the
• 1:59:35
  way to the right is weird.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 7: Are a seal of tant the bottom.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 3: I just call them the triangles. He's got two dozens
• 1:59:49
  of these things. What we're seeing here looks like a
• 1:59:53
  tetrahedral shape to me. And this line here, what natural
• 1:59:57
  geological process makes a lot like that? That's three quarters
• 2:00:01
  of a mile long? And then we sort of see
• 2:00:03
  the same thing here a triangle with a mound, a
• 2:00:06
  pyramidal mound in the center, a triangle with a line,
• 2:00:09
  some sort of a triangle with the line, triangle with
• 2:00:13
  the line triangle. And here we have a triangle in
• 2:00:15
  the middle of an impact crater. What are the chances
• 2:00:20
  an impact creator is going to make a triangle right
• 2:00:22
  in the center of it? And what triangles have these?
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: They're literally underlined with bolted I don't know what natural
• 2:00:35
  process would make such a thing, and I can't find
• 2:00:38
  any geologists to give me a straight answer. You know.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 5: I just thought about something I heard one time that
• 2:00:44
  Cairo in Arabic mains Mars, and really yes, and that
• 2:00:54
  some people have suggested maybe that our Cairo here on
• 2:00:57
  Earth was named after the structures up there, and that
• 2:01:02
  maybe the ancients and the Sumerians who had the map
• 2:01:05
  of the Solar system and all that, maybe they knew
• 2:01:08
  about all this. And this is just once again another
• 2:01:11
  example of lost knowledge that we're playing ketchup with the Mayans.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 11: When they disappeared, they showed their asses up on Mars
• 2:01:19
  and started building stuff that I mean, it looks just
• 2:01:24
  like that stuff. I mean, all of our ancient structures
• 2:01:30
  look like this before they're excavated.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: So, guys, I want to go back to this image
• 2:01:36
  because some of you mentioned the remote viewing Stargate program,
• 2:01:41
  which is what I was referring to getting into the
• 2:01:43
  paranormal aspect of all of this. I, like many people,
• 2:01:50
  was skeptical of this idea of remote viewing because what
• 2:01:54
  are we really talking about here, Psychic powers. Okay, maybe
• 2:01:58
  some of this is not new to you, guys, but
• 2:02:03
  it was certainly new to me. But what I was
• 2:02:07
  most comfortable with in presenting the remote viewing side of
• 2:02:14
  this story because you had some of these these Stargate Okay,
• 2:02:19
  Stargate was a was a program, a psychic spying program
• 2:02:24
  developed in the seventies run by the US Army. So
• 2:02:29
  the US Army had a psychic spying program for twenty years. Okay,
• 2:02:34
  I know that sounds nuts, but that's what they had.
• 2:02:37
  That's a fact. Now, I'm not going to tell you
• 2:02:41
  nuts to me, you know, but to a lot of
• 2:02:44
  people psychic abilities sounds crazy. It's something that's like X men, right, So,
• 2:02:51
  but that's not what I'm focused on when we focus
• 2:02:52
  on is the fact that the NASA is that the
• 2:02:54
  US Army had a psychic spying program, and while they
• 2:03:00
  didn't really do too much with Mars, they did a
• 2:03:02
  few things with Mars. And for those of you who
• 2:03:04
  know Joe mcmonagall who was one of the first or
• 2:03:08
  the first remote viewers of that program who was tasked
• 2:03:13
  against Mars headless time where she talking about this before.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 8: Yes, sir, so Jill mcmonigall. He was only given the
• 2:03:21
  title of remote Viewer Number one. That was sort of
• 2:03:24
  like his his handle or his call sign. So he
• 2:03:29
  was he was deeply involved with Special Forces and had
• 2:03:32
  this propensity of not dying when he should have died,
• 2:03:36
  and he even had a near death encounter which left
• 2:03:39
  him completely changed. And then he started experiencing sort of
• 2:03:44
  like psychic abilities and psychic gifts, and so he was
• 2:03:49
  trained by some other remote viewers and he became one
• 2:03:52
  of their agents. And so he never wanted to do
• 2:03:54
  any remote viewing that would jeopardize his ability to verify it.
• 2:04:00
  So they tricked him into doing this remote viewing on
• 2:04:03
  Mars because the CIA wanted to see what was actually
• 2:04:07
  happening one million BC on this planet during the same
• 2:04:11
  time that all of these findings are coming out. So
• 2:04:14
  I think they were interested in what exactly the nature
• 2:04:17
  of this life that you're talking about that they found
• 2:04:20
  way back in the seventies was doing on Mars a
• 2:04:23
  million years ago.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: So there's this famous declassified CIA transcript of Joe mcmonogall's
• 2:04:33
  session where he remote viewed Mars and this is what
• 2:04:40
  he was looking at. Now, he didn't know that at
• 2:04:44
  the time. He remote viewed Mars and he was relaying
• 2:04:47
  to his monitor here's what I'm seeing. I'm seeing a
• 2:04:50
  destroyed landscape, but I'm seeing these giant things that look
• 2:04:54
  like pyramids. And I'm paraphrasing here. Joe mcmonagall did not.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: By this.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 3: He didn't believe this himself. He's like, this sounds nuts. What.
• 2:05:06
  I can't believe that I've remote view pyramids on Mars.
• 2:05:09
  That's crazy. So what did he do? He went to
• 2:05:13
  NASA back then and he asked NASA at the time
• 2:05:18
  for the negatives because we didn't have digital back then.
• 2:05:21
  He asked for the negatives of specific coordinates, and he
• 2:05:27
  was able to verify for himself that what he was
• 2:05:29
  viewing was real because we had taken photographs of it
• 2:05:32
  and this is the one that he was looking at.
• 2:05:35
  I was not able to interview him for the film,
• 2:05:40
  but I did interview somebody else from that same program,
• 2:05:44
  a gentleman by the name of Tom mcneer, who was
• 2:05:49
  part of INGOs Swan's remote viewing team. Ingo Swan is
• 2:05:54
  another one of these famous remote viewers. He's no longer
• 2:05:56
  with us, but Tom mcneer was on that He was
• 2:05:58
  a recruited into the program and Ingo Swan's team was
• 2:06:02
  also tasked against Greater Pyramid. This is what this features
• 2:06:08
  is known as Creater Pyramid. So the remote viewing team
• 2:06:12
  of the US Army was looking at Mars and they
• 2:06:16
  were looking at this particular feature. Now why were they
• 2:06:22
  interested in something like this? Why would the US Army
• 2:06:26
  be interested in Mars. Well, it's because NASA started taking
• 2:06:30
  lots of interesting look at photograph starting in nineteen seventy six.
• 2:06:33
  That caused a lot of eyebrows to fur all up
• 2:06:36
  because they're like this. You know, when I first read
• 2:06:42
  Graham Hancock's Mars book and he starts talking about pyramids
• 2:06:45
  on Mars. Boy, I tell you, I got such an
• 2:06:47
  unsettled feeling in the pit of my stomach.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, something kind of rings true. When you read
• 2:06:54
  that book, you're like, oh, yeah, there's something here. I
• 2:06:57
  want to ask you, is Joe mcmonagle. Is he the
• 2:07:00
  one who like reported going inside and seeing the giant
• 2:07:05
  entities that looked like humans but bigger.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, mole, okay and okay. Now, what's interesting is that
• 2:07:17
  within about a two week period, Ingo Swan's team was
• 2:07:21
  tasked against this same feature without knowing that Joe had
• 2:07:27
  just done it, and they observed the same things. And
• 2:07:33
  so I got Tom mcneer, who was part of the
• 2:07:36
  US Army this program, to essentially recount the story for me,
• 2:07:41
  telling me about what Joe experience that wasn't able to
• 2:07:43
  get Joe, and then what Tom experienced. So to have
• 2:07:49
  a team of five people all cite the same thing
• 2:07:52
  that Joe did without having known they even worked on
• 2:07:54
  it together, talking about these giant megalithic pyramids, structures, entities
• 2:08:01
  who are larger cavernous halls inside these things. You know, Gosh,
• 2:08:10
  I don't know where you go with that. I don't
• 2:08:12
  know how to how to process something like that. Now, Nick,
• 2:08:16
  there is more to this story, but I think we're
• 2:08:22
  gonna leave it there because I say something. It's yes.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: The one. So this is just a quick thought. I'm
• 2:08:34
  not to say that's what this is. But the triangle
• 2:08:37
  that you showed with the line, shoot, sorry, my cat
• 2:08:41
  is like back here doing good as one that it
• 2:08:45
  almost look like the unincorporated line to give the symbol
• 2:08:49
  of air. So you have a triangle with the it
• 2:08:53
  and it's the symbol for air. When you look at
• 2:08:56
  if it is a pyramid next to a circle, it
• 2:08:59
  reminds me of the concept of squaring the circle, which
• 2:09:03
  is the technical way to say achieving the philosopher's stone,
• 2:09:07
  achieving the impossible, that you place a triangle inside of
• 2:09:11
  a circle in order to square it. And it's kind
• 2:09:14
  of you know, you see emblems of this all over
• 2:09:18
  with or indifferent emblems of old occultists or philosophers and
• 2:09:24
  what happened. So if you were standing on the ground
• 2:09:27
  at a certain angle, you would see the equilateral pyramid
• 2:09:34
  inside of the circle. So it almost it almost gave
• 2:09:38
  me that feeling.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what that means.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I was unfamiliar with this symbol of air.
• 2:09:43
  I'm looking at it right now. That's interesting. I have
• 2:09:45
  to take a close look into that.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: And it's one of the four elements that to use
• 2:09:51
  to achieve the Philosopher's stone.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: Mmm. Let me just conclude this by saying, we still
• 2:10:00
  have this unanswered question about what happened to this blue planet.
• 2:10:05
  The question that I pose is what turns a blue
• 2:10:08
  planet red? That's the title of the film Blue Planet Red. Now,
• 2:10:12
  for those of you who are interested, the film is
• 2:10:14
  coming out on Amazon in August. It's just a short
• 2:10:19
  way away. I have a whole website that basically documents
• 2:10:21
  all this stuff and has all the published research links,
• 2:10:24
  so you can go take a look at it for yourself.
• 2:10:26
  I continue to work on YouTube. But this question of
• 2:10:31
  what happened to the planet? We do present the research
• 2:10:42
  that does provide an answer to this question. In fact,
• 2:10:50
  there are a few different pieces of research that provide
• 2:10:53
  an answer to this question. What NASA will tell you
• 2:11:00
  is that the solar wind has stripped away the atmosphere
• 2:11:04
  of Mars due to the weakened magnetic field of the planet.
• 2:11:13
  The problem is the solar wind alone is not enough
• 2:11:25
  to explain the nearly complete loss of the atmosphere. It's
• 2:11:29
  simply not stripping it away fast to account for the
• 2:11:34
  nearly complete loss of the atmosphere. There are other explanations
• 2:11:40
  for what happened to the atmosphere, all based on research
• 2:11:44
  by people much smarter than I, who have unfortunately been
• 2:11:48
  marginalized due to the claims that are being made. But
• 2:11:54
  these claims aren't just I think it's based on the
• 2:11:57
  data collected by who who collects the data. NASA collects
• 2:12:06
  the data. It's NASA's data. They do a great job
• 2:12:10
  collecting data, they don't do a great job talking about
• 2:12:14
  what they've discovered and what they've discovered, as published by
• 2:12:20
  other scientists in the film, who we did not talk
• 2:12:22
  about tonight, who have written about this in books. When
• 2:12:27
  I first read about this, it kept me up for
• 2:12:32
  three nights because one of the explanations, while being terrifying
• 2:12:42
  in its own right, is a natural explanation. The other
• 2:12:50
  is not.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 5: You're talking about Mars right, still talking about so maybe
• 2:13:02
  there was a natural cataclysm, or maybe there was a
• 2:13:05
  cosmic battle that messed up the whole side of Mars.
• 2:13:09
  They say it's like peppered with rocks on one side
• 2:13:11
  as if something next to it blew up. And if
• 2:13:14
  you look into Samariamiss, you look into TMOT there seems
• 2:13:17
  to have been a cosmic war where a planet was
• 2:13:20
  exploded or blown up.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: So for any people who have heard any stories like
• 2:13:26
  what Tim is talking about, well, guess what, there's data
• 2:13:31
  to back it up.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 7: I have right here.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 8: It says the radioactive isotopes on Mars from nuclear war.
• 2:13:39
  The presence of atmospheric radioactive isotopes on Mars such as
• 2:13:43
  twelve nine XE and eighty k R has been noted
• 2:13:48
  in scientific studies suggested the possible past nuclear events in
• 2:13:53
  the atmosphere of Mars.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 3: So for those of you who think that sounds interesting,
• 2:13:59
  well this movies for you, definitely for me. Then we
• 2:14:06
  go into detail about this, and I do my best
• 2:14:09
  to try to expect to present this and to not
• 2:14:13
  just present this material, but present the people who have
• 2:14:17
  spent their entire career studying this stuff and publishing it
• 2:14:22
  on it multiple times in peer review journals, thinking that
• 2:14:26
  it's going to make a difference. But unfortunately statistics and
• 2:14:31
  data they don't really make a difference. What does make
• 2:14:33
  a difference is stories, and that's where I feel like
• 2:14:37
  I have something to add to this whole thing. So, guys,
• 2:14:39
  I really do appreciate you listening to me for damn
• 2:14:43
  near two hours. Geez over two hours. Goodness, gracious.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: I know this is sort of.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 3: Outside of what you guys normally talk about, so I
• 2:14:51
  really appreciate you giving me the time to go through it.
• 2:14:55
  And there's if any of this appeals to you, there's
• 2:14:58
  more those of us who are working on Mars. You know,
• 2:15:06
  we do it because we feel like there is a
• 2:15:08
  story that the rest of humanity simply needs to be
• 2:15:11
  made aware of. And I think there is a connection
• 2:15:21
  between what happened on Mars and what we are observing
• 2:15:26
  with the UFO activity here on Earth. We can get
• 2:15:32
  into that later, but I think it has a role
• 2:15:37
  to play in the overall disclosure topic. And it's just
• 2:15:43
  simply about getting the attention that this research really deserves.
• 2:15:48
  And you know, it's thanks to you guys who have
• 2:15:51
  a curiosity about this stuff and willing to listen to
• 2:15:55
  guys like me who have sort of put the pieces together.
• 2:15:57
  But my work is based off of those who have
• 2:16:00
  been spending a lot more time on it and they
• 2:16:05
  need the older recognition that they can get. So thank
• 2:16:08
  you guys, Oh, thank you man.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 4: That was that was great.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to complain about the two hours. Uh,
• 2:16:15
  perfect guest man. We didn't you know, Uh, definitely some
• 2:16:19
  weird shit. I Uh again, like I had said, I
• 2:16:22
  didn't see the last about twenty five or thirty minutes.
• 2:16:24
  And you know, people probibly even know my whole idea
• 2:16:27
  as being in occult this. I sometimes don't even know
• 2:16:29
  what the question that's out in the skies I've said.
• 2:16:31
  I think it's the reflection of the back of my
• 2:16:33
  eyeball at the times. So like, I don't know what
• 2:16:35
  to consider that stuff. But the shit that you showed
• 2:16:37
  on your in this movie is just fucking weird, you know,
• 2:16:41
  even the fact, I mean I know nobody you know,
• 2:16:43
  obviously I don't trust an Asca either. I think this
• 2:16:45
  is just for me as a conspiracy theorist. This is
• 2:16:48
  just another piece of evidence showing you that they're contradicting
• 2:16:50
  themselves of you know, whatever you know?
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 4: And why why is that?
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 6: Very weird?
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 6: And I really appreciate you coming on, Brian. I know,
• 2:16:58
  like you said, it wasn't particularly something that we cover,
• 2:17:01
  but it kind of does fit in a way.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 4: And I thought it was actually really well done, and
• 2:17:05
  thank you man, it was.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 6: It was a pleasure having you on and you really
• 2:17:09
  you had a lot to say and you covered a lot,
• 2:17:10
  and believe it or not, there's a lot in the
• 2:17:13
  movie that he didn't cover it. So definitely, if you're
• 2:17:16
  into this, man, go check it out again.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 4: I watched it. I thought it was good. Does anybody
• 2:17:21
  else want to add anything before we wrap this up?
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: I love the presentation. Oh sorry, go ahead, Lisa, No, no,
• 2:17:28
  go ahead, go ahead. I was just gonna say I
• 2:17:30
  love the presentation. I feel like I learned a lot.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 11: Like I said before, Brian has this great Jeff Goldbloom, soothing, relaxing,
• 2:17:42
  articulate thing going on. So I mean, I absolutely enjoyed it.
• 2:17:45
  I thought it was great and I'm looking forward to
• 2:17:50
  watching the movie too.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Other thing I was going to say was that
• 2:17:56
  it's probably beyond the scope of the movie. And then
• 2:17:58
  obviously another discussion. Is there any legitimacy to the claim
• 2:18:04
  that there is an obelisk on photos?
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, John Ward that South African independent mars researcher has
• 2:18:17
  done a very detailed analysis of that, and you can
• 2:18:22
  find some more information. I did interview him from a
• 2:18:24
  YouTube channel. We talk about that specifically, and a lot
• 2:18:29
  of what these independent Mars researchers do is again they
• 2:18:33
  sort of enhance the image to bring out some of
• 2:18:36
  the detail and make these things a little bit more
• 2:18:37
  clear for us to see. And he's got he's done
• 2:18:40
  some great work on that thing specifically. That quite interesting
• 2:18:44
  if you ask me.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 6: All right, well, I guess if nobody else has got
• 2:18:51
  anything else to say, we could wrap it up. I
• 2:18:53
  did add your links in there during the show, so
• 2:18:56
  if people want to go check out his YouTube interviews
• 2:18:58
  and all.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 4: The extra stuff that he says, it's on there his
• 2:19:01
  links in the bottom. Go check it out. Uh, thank
• 2:19:04
  you all of yous for coming on. Yeah, I'm not
• 2:19:07
  gonna have a leaves to play your show now. It's
• 2:19:09
  been long enough, but I appreciate all of you.
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 6: Brian, do you want to let anybody know you want
• 2:19:14
  to promote the movie again or your website or anything
• 2:19:15
  else before we wrap this up?
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just just one stop shop you can
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  find everything you need to know about the film about
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  you know, my contact information at Blue Planetred dot net. Okay,
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  I'm also on Twitter at Brian Corey Dobbs just my
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  name and on YouTube at Brian Corey Dobbs.
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  Speaker 6: Awesome, thank you very much and yeah, man again, that
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  was a great, great presentation, very professionally done.
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  Speaker 4: What some stuff. And thank you everybody in the chat
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  too that hung out. That's what's up.
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  Speaker 6: It was a long one and there's a lot of
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  people there from the beginning, and I appreciate that. At
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  one point I was just so focused. I really wasn't
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  looking at the chat. I had this was going to
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  do one with you. But thank you very much for
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  everybody checking it out. That's where we go live and
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  until the next one, everybody be well.